/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6230937
this fucking question again
dude you can start as early as 1 second old or as late as 1 second away from death

>>6230937
yes

If you are asking these types of questions you never would be able to draw in any timeline. Artists don't ask for permission to draw, they just do it.

>starting now when AI is already this good
ngmi

>>6230937
Yes, learn prompt engineering instead

>>6230937
You can draw stars at any age

>>6230937
No

>>6230937
everyone can draw stars
even your dog

It's not too old to learn, it's too late in terms of expected artistic life, all artists start to decline in their late 50's, some in their 40's, some change style in their 30's and downgrade, it takes around 15 years to peak, what is left then if you started at 25?
Frazetta painted this at 45, just look at your favorite artists and see what type of work they were doing in different ages and compare with your skill level.

>>6230937
assuming you grind hours every day: 3-6 months to get commissions, 1-2 years to get gigs, 3-5 years to get pro gigs

>>6230963
>learning how to play chess when AI is better than humans
>learning how to cross country ski when snowmobiles exist
>learning how to run fast, when cars exist
>learning how to speedrun, when "TAS" exists
>learning math, when calculators exist
>learning how to play videogames when cheatcodes or aimbots exist
>learning a new language when online translators exist
>learning how to cook, when restaurants exist

See how stupid you sound?

>>6231136
based

>>6231136
correct on all fronts, except cooking, don't trust anyone with anything that can kill you fast or slow or deny you when you want it.

>>6230937
yeah just commit suicide, it's ogre.

>>6231136
the difference being that AI art is worse than most of the things you described too. like chess....it's an algorithmic math game, just like Go. make it complex enough and it will obviously beat humans since humans are bad at algorithmic thinking. it's also better at algorithmic art, problem is that algorithmic art is shit no matter how much make-up you put on it
>inb4 but it's good enough for normies reee
I don't care. it's not good enough for me

>>6230937
pic related its an average 25 year old

>>6231081
decline in what sense? like start making worse art? do you think everyone has dementia or something lol

>>6231236
They start taking too many shortcuts and shorthand and that sort of thing.
Of course mental and physical decline takes a part also.
Some artists don't decline much, McGinnis was doing amazing painting in his 80's but he traces... if this isn't a reused painting he did this at 93 or 94 years old.

Absolutely not.

>>6230937
Give it a shot. Do you have anything else to do with your time?

>>6231561
Why?

>>6231136
>learning a new language when online translators exist
To expand on this point, machine translation still hasn't replaced translators. Besides learning art for hobby's sake, I still believe the future has room for artists pursuing an art career.

>>6231680
He's now my hero.

>>6231687
Ai translators are pretty good now

>>6230937
I'm gonna be realistic, if you've been sketching and drawing a lot (even if badly) as a kid it can work. If you're 25 and just starting to draw circles, I have doubts.

>>6230937
For everyone else 25 is fine. But since you had to ask you're not going to draw anyways.

>>6230937
how do you know about vilppu and you havent started drawing? stop wasting time, anon

>>6231443
>They start taking too many shortcuts and shorthand and that sort of thing.
So thats why picasso went from alright to child like scribbles, intresting

>>6231119
I don't think so. Grind how many hours? Because 3 hours a day won't cut it.

>>6231680
Based

It is NEVER too late to learn anything

Anyone telling you otherwise is either a zoomer who wants to make himself feel good about starting early or a self-hating perma /beg/ boomer who never draws and only complains

>>6232933
Wasn't that because all "good" paintings were painted by his father?

>>6230963
The point of learning skills isn't to outcompete the world but to outcompete the ego. Come on anon. Youre high on pessimissm.

>>6230937
do you really want to spend the next 40 or so years not doing something you wanted to do?

>>6231724
are you going to banter with your foreign friends or flirt with your exotic overseas future wife using a phone app translator? cringe

>>6233069
Theres literally no proof of this

>>6230937
When your benes falls off then its a later.

>>6231136
ooh let's crush your post to smithereens

-people play chess as a recreation activity and it doesn't take you decades to learn how to play and master it
-you do cross country or any other kind of sport for health benefits
-again health benefits and good looks
-speedrunning is retarded to begin with, it's a complete waste of time
-learn what math is about first
-the same as chess
- >>6233197
-cooking helps poorfags like me to save lots of money, also it's a tangible craft, you can eat the result, you can't eat art

you sound stupid

>>6233225
Is drawing not a recreational activity for most good artists? Art is usually a hobby first and foremost

>>6233330
it is but where does satisfaction come from?

>>6230937
Of course not. My mom is a chemical engineer and is now about to graduate in psychology at 61. It's never too late to start doing anything.

>>6233337
I assume for most natural artists they simply enjoy the process. They draw because they enjoy making marks on a some form of canvas. That's why some "just draw" without needing any sort of encouragement

>>6230937
I'm older than you and I had started drawing not so long ago

>>6233337
From experimenting and trying new techniques? From solving a confusing perspective problem and making it look good? From getting that idea you imagined onto paper just right? From seeing yourself improve other time?

No wonder you’re a fucking favela-squatting third worlder, can’t expect a soulless darkie to know shit about the utter joy of drawing for the sake of drawing.

>>6230937
no. just do it. let go of negative thoughts. just draw.

>>6233225
This poster does not enjoy creating art and think only of it as a way to make a living.
Sad, truly.

>>6231136
Extremely based, thanks for the motivation

>>6231687
> I still believe the future has room for artists pursuing an art career.
I also believe this, for two reasons, namely:

1. Currently AI is pretty good for creative art, yes, but it's shit at making very specific commissions, and faces. A good example of this is furries, cuz they want very specific details on art and characters. (also, the demand for AI-made furry art is very low from the general public, so it'll take a while for a AI to be made for it)

2. Eventually, if it takes 50 or 100 years, AI will in the end become better at art than humans in every aspect. BUT, since it's so easily made, the demand (and price) for human-made art will go up, it's gonna be considered a more luxury thing to have human-mad art than AI-made art. Just like we like handmade stuff more than not handmade stuff


inb4 >lol ai can do faces
yes, but there's no AI that can do faces in a scene with other stuff

>>6235036
AI does not create anything. It just slaps drawings that have similar tags together and blends them.
>Inb4 artists copy too
Artists learn from life and can also draw from imagination.
I'm getting so fucking tired of this AI shit.

>>6235036
>>6235042
did I say "creative" art?
sorry meant "generic" art

At the moment I didn't know what word to use. But I hope you know what I mean, the kind of art that is really well made but 0 soul and it's a million of those. Since that's what's it been fed, that's what it spits out

>>6235036
>>6235048
>>6235042
>>6231136

Furthermore, another important point.
Like __ is saying, you don't do it to sell and make money, or to be better than others. If this is your motivation then ngmi, it must merely be a bi-product.
You make art to "flex on the ego", to have fun, to do something, so you can feel like you have accomplished something in life.

"Why do you learn an instrument when there's apps and programs for that?"

>>6230937
Please OP, just start drawing this very minute, don't waste it on debating whether you should.

>>6235139
Fuck i forgot to fill in the blank.
I meant >>6233154 on line 7/4 (depending on how you count)
also >>6233067

Thank god i started at 17. But i am still shit tho

>>6230937
most artists tend to start as children, but the best ones can start as adults if they end up really talented

It's like hockey, most of them are born from Jan-April but the best ones are born from Sept-December

>>6230937
Maybe it depends on what you want to draw. You can draw in any age you want, but others may won't you draw certain things after certain age. Maybe you too lazy to learn drawing, but it's usually not in 25.

>>6230937
if you don't even know how to hold a pen, to reach the level of reflexes and logic of 20 yo kid drawing for like half of its life you would need ~2-3 years drawing as a main occupation and don't forget about talent

>>6231687
languages are very nice for memory and overall brain development, also we were thought handwriting in school, which also gives a lot

>>6230937
honestly I think it takes around 8 years to become pro level (as in most of the week is dedicated to learn the craft), a kid has all the time in the world to reach that level but if you're in your late 20s early 30s it's almost impossible to do that especially if you're working, maybe there are some outliers but for most guys in that age it's a impossible task especially if you want to start a family.
If you want to pick up drawing as a hobby than literally no age is "too late" but if you want to actually make art your job it's a very unrealistic goal and you may spend years of your life trying to achieve something that's unachievable to you.

>>6231119
lol bro if only

>>6237529
>most of the week
> i want to lay in a couch and do my benis things but i wanna be a pro

>>6237529
I can tell you the core difference between our generations.
Zoomers usually lack self control, they are ADHD fueled faggots who can't learn for shit.
So you have an advantage, you can just sit and learn therefore you can actually progress.

>>6237549
Yeah because you know all of them right? Stu grandpa. Your retarded fried brain is past the prime to learn anything

>>6237519
>don't forget about talent
Are you trolling us?

>>6237529
>as a kid
At what age do you mean a kid is at?
I started learning when I was 16, is that good enough?

do 1g(no more no less) of magic mushrooms weekly for 6 months or forever lmao additionally drink coffee every day(but not too much) and avoid pretty much every single other drug that exists especially weed and all depressants (that shit makes you retarded)

you'll get better at learning new stuff and overall just way fucking smarter, just trust me on this one even if it makes no sense, also meditation and exercise are two massive IQ boosters

>>6239271
Yeah, pretty sure lots of artist started to get into art in their teens. But my point was that around that age you can focus solely on art and slowly learn the craft while someone in the 30s just doesn't have the time to do so especially if they are a total beginner (I'm speaking about becoming a pro not about someone who just wants to do art as a hobby)

>>6239318
This. As a career it might not be a good choice anyways, considering what's going on with technology. If it's for hobby though, knock yourself out. Never too late to start.

>>6239274
Where can we buy this magic mushrooms?

>>6239274
Getting more rest helped me a lot. I was pushing myself too hard, working and drawing until midnight every day because I want to get better. Had to realise that it only slows my actual progress down.

>>6230937
No