/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6226138
All from imagination. Please critique.

How did I do /ic/?
Someone please give me a hand redline owo

draw the crab /beg/
trees are for pussies

I'm here to just tell you guys that I'm extremely happy and proud of my shit today, and I'm never even fucking satisfied.

I've seen somewhere here a oc called Mandy done by Dean Yeagle and I'm in fucking love.

I've worked goddamn 2h studying her amazing features, mirrored that shit, broke her apart and redrew. She's so fucking pretty.

Best part? I've overlayed it to see where are my shit mistakes and shit looks traced, fucking traced!!!!

She's just so fun to draw, I'll fucking draw the shit out of her today.

Drawing feels fucking amazing and I hope you're having at lease half of my fun doing it.

fuck erik olson. He is too autistic for me. Gary meyer is more anime friendly.

>>6226402
Vandruff is better than both

>>6226402
i like gary, he teaches perspective with the fervor of a veteran telling war stories

Can anyone explain to me what tools the author used to go from step 1 to step 2 on SAI? The author doesn't make a big deal about it, he just says that you paint over the lines but doesn't give further explanations and there's clearly something more, but I can't figure out how to do it.

>>6226213
That's not a crab

>>6226138
I drew my debug ducky for my bi-monthly drawing diary entry. I'm permabeg.

How do I improve if I attended courses and completed most of beg books including the obscure ones never mentioned on /ic/?

Cover for my new comic...still thinking on how to draw the legs

two heads

>>6226480
First head: Nose is badly alligned. Lips are too flat.

is there any point in posting something you copied?
unsure what feedback a total beginner copy monkey could get beyond "you suck, weeb"

>>6226490
Copies are studies.
pyw.

>>6226411
Everything has been repainted in one way or another

>>6226490
>doesn't understand painting
Yikes

>>6226487
you mean the top one right?

>>6226490
>every master and modern artist is wrong using reference is bad
>why?
>because... They just are okay

>>6226438
You attended an art course?

>>6226374
you going to post your mandy or what?

what do i need to learn/practice bros?

Yesterday ref and from memory

>>6226576
Foreshortening practice.

>>6226213
Red claws typed this post

>>6226576
The thumbnail looks like a value drawing of a square butt because your lines are so faint

>>6226614
Can you critique it then? Also this >>6226580

>>6226614
Are you new? Ignore him, dont reply to any post and dont waste your time giving advice.

both my monitors as well as my drawingtablet show the same colour in different shades.
is there a 'right' one? I assume other ppl looking at my drawing also see different colurs then, including /ic/ when they critique

>>6226566

I hate not getting replies. Gonna post in trannicord instead.

>>6226634
How does it feel to be a crab?

>>6226649
check uit on your phone too

entering into a manic episode and the focus of this years episode will be drawing. I will be grinding Loomis and other things like that for 12 or more hours a day if it is anything like the last manic episode. At least this one will leave me with much improved skills.

>>6226675
Can you pyw? Would like to see your progress.

>>6226675
>>6226669
>>6226658
>>6226654
>>6226580
>>6226620

You guys don't even draw at all

>>6226681
Why are you quoting me?

>>6226620
No, I learned my lesson with you a long time ago.

>>6226634
No, I just thought it was funny that it looked like a square butt.

>>6226698
I like your schizo scribbles but why mass-dump them here? There's even a thread specifically for this type of thing.

>>6226702
He is ironically better than esdeath. It's not even a funny comparison. I could actually feel the form through the schizo scribbles.

Yesterday’s daily

>>6226681
I posted my work and was ignored... is it really that boring?

>>6226735
Which one is it

>>6226738
Here >>6226209

>>6226739
Oh, stop drawing generic trannime!

>>6226739
NTA but it's a bland anime pose that anyone can draw. Guaranteed to be appealing, but not really challenging yourself or gaining anything from it. You could render it for another couple of hours and make a complete piece, but that's all. Try drawing a full body with a dynamic action pose from multiple angles.

>>6226739
it cute.

>>6226571
Not gonna tell you.

>>6226449
A pen would be your best guess

>>6226438
Start by drawing

>>6226739
Well

Cute but very beg. Clothes are just clapped on there and are flat. The lines are terrible and you need to work on anatomy.

Didnt draw much today, drained.

>>6226374
tldr

>>6226739
You drew the fingers with only 2 bones instead of 3, make the hand pose yourself and look at it. Was gonna redline but I don't have my tablet on me right now.

>>6226760
Cool, didnt ask tho

>>6226729
Post today's daily

>>6226213
Eat the crab, fuck the pussies, draw the /beg/

>>6226571
proportions, and blending, the hard shadows make her look about 10 years older also add more detail of you dont want your photorealistic drawings to look uncanny,

>>6226760
the blue shadow choice is nice. I know you don't get a lot of (you)s, but keep it up. You seem to have a good pace going with studying and doodling.

>>6226480
Two is too much, a single one is better

>>6226563
Draw a rope

>>6226695
>>6226698
You can almost hear him saying "gas the jews" in a robotic voice, pretty soulful

>>6226679
"post your willy"? Anon, do you want to see my willy progress? Anon, did you save that pic i sent you? Anon, my willy anon? Anon, do you want to see the progress of my willy?

>>6226561
sure, here's the head study i was writing about
red is traced

>>6226714
Kek, I know you're joking but he's January-2021 tier.

If I want to draw stylized characters do I really have to learn realism? Is realism actually a fundamental, or is that a crabcel beg trap?

>>6226800
stop referring to yourself in the 3rd person you permabeg.

>>6226808
I practiced realism for several months because everyone insisted that it will improve my anime faces.
Did it? Nope.
However it taught me many different skills like measuring and drawing symmetrically, etc. which was helpful and I improved my line control too.
I think you can try draw some portraits, learn what it's about and get done with it and move on.

Sometimes I simply grab an artistic brush and paint whatever. I try to convince myself it’s better than not doing anything that time day but deep down I know that’s simply cope and I should be making proper studies

>>6226808
Learning realism isn't "learning realism" its just learning how things actually work in real life. Which yes, you do need to know because it almost always applies to stylized drawings as well and the same fundamentals that apply to realism apply to anime except without the wonky anime filters that make it hard to understand.

You don't need to be a master of real life anatomy, but you do need to be able to understand it and the reasoning behind specific stylization choices.

>>6226818
Good to know, thanks!

>>6226818
is this a joke?

>>6226818
ok i don't fucking know who told you that it is realism but just fucking kick his/her ass.

start from some hampton/loomis and then learn to not press like a child(crucial)
also smudging is shit and that's all i can see

>>6226832
please stop engaging the resident schizo

>>6226832
>start from some hampton/loomis and then learn to not press like a child(crucial)
That is Loomis though (Huston)? I've finished Loomis years ago. That was my Huston study. Didn't bother mastering shading because smudging looks better than crosshatching (imo) and my goal was to understand the construction of the face, in order to apply it to anime faces. Didn't help in the slightest. However as you can see my placement is 99% accurate here, that's when I decided to move on.

>>6226846
My eyes actually hurt when I'm looking at that. It's like 2 pictures at 25% opacity are overlapped, but slightly misaligned.

>>6226799
not bad, once you get comfortable with it you should try and draw her in different poses.

>>6226859
pyw, would be interested in how you got microscopic level accuracy.

>>6226868
thanks, here my 5th dean yeagle head today, still working on it but i'm to tired to do that one correctly.
i think it's time to finish for today, and do much more tomorrow.
actually i fucking hate drawing faces(because i suck at them), buttholes and vagene are my thing
>>6226873
yeah, i'm the guy with eye problem here

>>6226650
>>6226566
Keep it up bro, its good to see more people studying perspective

>>6226889
Anon, it's okay. We aren't xerox machines.
What measuring technique do you use when you use digital btw?

>>6226903
loomis and eyeballing
i was trying really hard to be as loyal to original as possible today, since it's my first time with that guy
ill do some fun and little more relaxed shit tomorrow

>>6226763
I used my hand as reference

>>6226920
Then you're either poor at drawing what you see, or you're missing some joints. The topmost knuckle on the pinkie and ring fingers making the V-sign should extend past the palm, not to the edge of the palm.

>>6226890

reload

Any idea why eschizo so afraid of pushing a pencil harder? I can barely see his lines on those photos.

>>6226974
Because it's bad practice? Also I can press hard if I want, I've figured out the trick to carpal tunnel which I'm not telling. If you want me to injure my hand again it's not going to work.
Also can someone tell me why cross-hatching is preferred over smudging? Smudging looks way better imo.

>>6226981
It seems like your work is symbol drawn. Please read into it

You literally using like 20 percent of valie range available so it literally looks flat
You need to buy softer pencils if you don't want to push harder

>>6226985
Sorry but symbol drawing is a meme.

>>6226993
Not sure what you're talking about, what's a softer pencil? Like a squishy pencil? Or you mean H pencils? Why would I push harder with a H pencil when I can use a HB-B? I am using every value range, the camera just doesn't show it. For example the face is shaded with a very dark value but you can't see it on the photo.
Any answer regarding smudging? Why does left look better than right?

Please do not interact with the schizos.

>>6227000
how do I filter esdeath schizo? I am sick and tired of seeing stagnation from him. can't even surpass me.

Yeah you need something like 4b or 6b or 8b since again you afraid or more like you don't understand how to make a darker value with tools you have
Regarding of smugding it doesn't look better well in your case both options look like shit because tou know nothing about how to draw with a pencil and how ro shade forms

>>6227005
I shaded and drew the lines with a 5B. PYW or you're talking out of your ass and know jack all about drawing.

>pyw
>anon will phw
>yeah you good but i don't like your work and also i'm actually good you just trolling
>cycle repeats
Just stop replying to him pls

>>6227005
I just followed your advice and shaded it with the darkest pencil I have, and she turned into a black woman. Sorry but you may have been taught that darker values are better but that's not always true. It ruined my piece.

>ruined his peice
nigga i'm gonna die
You literally posted a photo with pitch black shadows while in your drawings shadows are barely draker than light

>>6227017
>Schizostalker is a schizo himself
Many such cases. Sad!

>>6227021
Proko was wrong. There are too many preconceptions in the art world, people saying one thing is superior simply because that's what they were taught. Clearly darker values aren't always the answer like for this.

>>6227027
I want to suck on Paimon's cheeks! Also you're wasting your time. If you tell him he's not supposed to darken the highlights too he's gonna say "how am I supposed to darken the shadows without darkening the highlights?" or something and on and on.

>>6227027
>You literally posted a photo with pitch black shadows while in your drawings shadows are barely draker than light
I meant it looks shit.

>>6226998
because you don't know how to hatch

>>6227071

>>6227031
it's amazing! Please share your technique with me
got any social? discord channel?
How did you draw her so nice this time? it's like your skill went through the roof in one night!

>>6227057
>t looks shit
That's not the pencil's fault

>>6227071
Do constructoids really

>>6227092
Not sure if trolling but if you are talking about the drawing level, yes I had a revelation.
All I will tell you is that grinding does not give gains, only revelations. There are spikes of improvement each time you have a revelation, grinding will get you nowhere. It's all mental/spiritual/knowledge based. That's how I improved even after taking a 6 month break.
Always find new challenges. Don't grind at the same level, just move on to the next challenge that you've never attempted and that's how you keep improving.

>>6227124
pyw

>>6227144

>>6227124
I’ve gone from “you symbol drawing begtard need to learn construction” to a “constructoid.”

>>6227141
>youarenotjapanesepleasecommitseppukufilthygaijinsymboldrawinglarp

>>6227162
>has to pull up drawings from 1 year ago
It's funny because you think I'm embarrassed rather than proud of my old works, which show how much I improved.
Now let's see how much you've improved, pyw.

>>6227071
You have improved lately.
Add sovl to your works and you will be popular.

>>6227179
Smudging looks worse than cross hatching!

1 week beg schizo scribbling. Need to start working on anatomy and stop drawing tranime.

So this is the power of the dynamic gestures after completing and mastering 120+ hours of eric olson perspective course.. Woah

Is there such a thing as an exercise to practice perspective and general object overlap?

Figure drawing has short gestures, colour has thumbnailing but I honestly have no idea how to practice perspective in a meaningful way for drawing people.

>>6227203
>Erik olson art
Oh no no

>>6227221
>vandruff art

OOF

Skull practice.

>>6227203
you can't even draw a box in 2 point perspective

>>6227222
>vilppu art

>>6227225
>Steve Huston Art

The true teacher of anime, yet the least watched.

Dicking around with painting, practicing using gem hair. This isn't finished

Hello begs i am in heavy delay today

>>6227206
Literally just stack boxes. Start with boxes furthest away from viewer and then keep stacking them closer and closer while randomly rotating them. And remember that once the cube rotates its vanishing points are changing
>>6227071
I like it. Once you start rendering it will be soul overload
>>6226936
why dont you save these as single file and then post them together (like i do)? it would probably looked more impressive than this spam style and scaled down the scribbles would present more solid form
>>6226438
doesnt look like permabeg to me at all. I see form, i see drawing from imagination, i see shading techniques. You probably just never challenged yourself / didnt put at least 2 hours into single piece
>bi-monthly
thats probably your issue. Try drawing more often
>>6226374
Good job but your forgot to PYW anon

>>6227078
scribbling is truly the funnest way to draw

>>6227185
>>6227238
Thanks. Not used to getting compliments around here.

>>6227221
>holding a staff
>magic comes from his finger

My painting on left.
How do i paint like on the right?

>>6227431
Skin has highlights and more variation in value. Don't be afraid to use more extreme values.

>>6227431
proportions are off, focus on getting them right before rendering

>>6227197
From where I sit it's pretty awesome for 1 week, I'm not even drawing people yet 2 weeks in. Just lots of cylinders, boxes, and squares.

>>6227432
makes sense, i'll try to copy those paintings on the right to get a sense of their values

>>6227445
Yeah my proportions get worse when I paint the blockins, that will probably improve with time.

I know theres a lot to work on, but im kinda lost on what order to tackle it

I know theres a lot of work to be done here, besides the half assed hair, but what should i prioritize?

>>6227540
I'd focus on improving the face, that looks the most 'off' to my beg eyes

>>6226679
I will do a before and after post if it happens. That post your silly faggot wasn't me

Can someone tell me their story on how studying perspective changed their approach to art?

>>6227644
Perspecrive is just a simple concept you need to understand and keep in mind all the time
It's not that you'll read a book and will draw better

What is meant by ellipse accuracy and how do you test it with the major and minor axis?

>>6227644
Wellif you keep perspective in mind at all times shit like this >>6227540 won't happen to you

>>6227644
It helped me less affraid to draw unfamiliar stuffs.

>>6227221
>>6227222
What the fuck bros, the horse look like Erik Olson, and that wide mouth gardener legit looks like Vandruff himself??

Gary Meyer has the best artwork by a mile, but he is also not as good of a teacher

>>6227644
It made me go from only being able to draw stickmen, to being able to draw complex objects in perspective

>>6227206
Just draw the floor as a plane, and the figure as simple geometric forms following a gesture line

Can we agree to ignore esdeath schizo please

>Had a dream
>It was teaching me perspective
>The dream told me to curve my perspective lines

wtf bros

>>6227731
Curvilinear perspective my nigger
don't worry about that shit right now

grinded robertson and gestures all day and finished with a ref drawing. nsfw below the waist so cropped lol.

I tried that thing where you don’t make lineart and create everything with colours and shapes.

>>6227757
simplify nigger don't just stroke all over canvas use big shapes to define values

Think it's time for me to master hands.
Is this book a meme or will it really teach me to draw hands in any perspective? Like are there simple constructive rules like the head method?

>>6227761
Better?

Stumbled over the #100HeadsChallenge, and decided I wanna try drawing 50 heads instead in 10 days. I think I'll burn out if I try to draw 10 heads each day (I find it difficult)
So yeah, day 1.

How do I draw boxes in relation to each other in perspective? This is a pre-req for constructing figures but I can't grasp the feel and need a proper way to calculate things. I can apply 1, 2, 3 point perspective onto a single box but as soon as I add a 2nd object into the scene things start falling apart. Eg. here I want to draw 2 boxes underneath the black box one on each side of it but I think I messed up the scaling somewhere and don't understand.

Just doodling

>>6227850
try subdividing off the black box and then multiplying in the direction you want (in this case down, and then towards the vanishing point). repeat as needed to get correct sizes.

currently you just have 3 floating boxes which isnt inorrect but theres nothing to show them relating to eachother - which it sounds like you are after..

>>6227903
heres a video
https://youtu.be/KRuQhy0l_4o

>>6227854
I decided to paint one of the characters. Im still struggling with digital painting but it slowly gets easier

oh god why are DaB's challenges so fucking retarded. It's like he took exercises from Vilppu, Robertson and Krenz and made them more contrived while requiring no deeper application of skill just patience.

All so his fucking autistic unpaid intern team can hassle you for not following his completely arbitrary instructions. He's so fucking ugly too, first time I saw his chubby hand on camera I knew he was a genetic reject.

>>6227644
"Real" perspective was not used in art until a few hundred years ago. It's easy to look at medieval european artwork and say "yeah and art before that sucked," but extant historical far eastern art made without perspective is exquisite and beautiful. Something weird you'll notice the longer you stay on /ic/ is that the spirit of the board has this internally-inconsistent definition of "good art," where it follows the fine art principles of the nineteenth century but also it has to be anime and the most important thing is beauty but only if it follows strict rules that make art look clinical.

Works from "good artists" get posted here as examples of what people aspire to, and crabs will literally say that these fulltime professional artists' work that is highly visually appealing is "bad" because the artists have "bad" perspective or they don't do fully-detailed backgrounds or even very /beg/ observations like "they have cold light and warm shadows, it's supposed to be the other way around" (I've literally seen that one before, hilarious).

Again, I'm not saying to disregard perspective. I'm just saying it isn't something that transforms your whole understanding of art. Perfect perspective does not actually elevate a piece much more than "good enough" perspective unless you're specifically looking for perspective inconsistencies.

Like take >>6227221 for example. You might or might not like the goofy subject matter, but either way, it's a piece with bad perspective from an artist known for teaching perspective (the arch is in a different perspective from the rest of the scene, which was done to improve the composition, which is WAY more important and WAY more fundamental than perspective will ever be, and the artist relies on the figures obscuring part of the building to keep this from standing out to the audience as a problem). He has pieces with better perspective and clearly knows what he's doing, but he eschewed perspective deliberately here.

>>6227978
Sorry, "again" was from before I chopped a section of the post out to make it fit the character limit, where I said "I'm not saying perspective is a meme, but even calling it a fundamental as many people do is overrating it."

>>6227961
I need this box skill to study Vilppu and have major issues drawing boxes that look like they belong in the same scene I'm so fucked.

>>6227978
But without perspective my shit just warps and turns out bad, tried a simple figure and slapped an anime head on it and the anatomy and proportions are all over the place, I'm sure it wouldn't turn out like this if I knew perspective!

>>6227987
Why waste time drawing generic trannime?

>>6227983
anon you just rotate boxes while they get progressively bigger towards from upper left to bottom right.

if you don't know how to do convincing angles yet then grind this.

>>6227987
you can 'feel the form' kek but its just that your chest and pelvis rectangles are pointing to different vanishing points because they are rotated differently (which is completely fine) but in this case its a completely unnatural pose that can barely be done (try it yourself!)

>>6227990
oh btw it helps to think of this in terms of camera angles not actual transformations of a cube - though they are functionally equivalent. top to bottom is the camera moving up looking down on the box, left to right is the camera moving to the left around the side of the box.

>>6226138
Been at this hobby for little over a month. Wanting to focus on portraits. Trying to practice full pages of each feature to help hammer home structures and what not. Why do my drawings (eyes attached) look so….elementary? Stiff? I can’t pinpoint what’s wrong because I haven’t been at this long enough I guess.

pretty sure perspective just clicked for me and im definitely starting to feel the forms.

>>6228008
Because hard, well defined black lines that separate different parts of the anatomy rarely exist in real life.
Instead of a hard edge try using a gradient towards shadows, it makes things look more natural.
IRL there are black lines defining each part of our surroundings, we just see blobs of colour and value.

I’m fully aware my pic is a shitty example but hopefully you can understand what I mean

>>6227993
How do I make sure my construction isn't making an unnatural pose? Is this just built by practice and anatomy knowledge? I know I can use reference but it would be good to be able to check for inconsistencies afterwards as well.

>>6228032
doing reference drawings would probably help yea, the inconsistencies are pretty obvious though you have one cheek jutting out towards the camera while your shoulders are straight. its just physically impossible.

>>6227989
PYW

>>6227990
How would you do this exercise when station point and vanishing point are not even on the picture?

brehs why does it look so ugly
should i just grind more funides? all of them?

>>6228161
Looks good to me

>>6228168
this was the ref, mine just looks so boring
I noticed saturation begin too low for the most part in my study, maybe that's it or just shitty value read
looking for other peoples eyes since I dont trusy myself, after painting/repainting multiple times

>>6227854
>>6227934
Since I was at it I decided why not paint the other dude

>>6228161
Even with all your rendering it still looks kinda flat to me, no idea how you managed to do that

>>6228161
Make your shadows darker
In your ref the cast shadow is the same value as the leftmost side of the kettle, but on your version the leftmost side is simply dark blue

Also the shape is wrong, the right side of yours is completely spherical

>keep falling into the mistake of drawing far too small for construction
i'm a retard bros, go on without me

>>6228302
>being a constructoid
Just looks at Erik Olson's art
>>6227221

>>6228192
>>6228192
thanks for input. I guess I overused smudge tool
somewhat improved but drawing errors are pissing me off more than anything

>>6228302
>go to erase construction lines
>erase all my work

>>6228339
Dumb trannime poster

>>6226138
Trees and foliage is the bane of me. Experimenting with a dumb pixel brush I found online

>>6228368
Looks pretty good, maybe just needs more leaves on top

>>6226772

>>6228183
Can someone give me feedback please

>>6228544
Group your shadow and light shapes and don’t mix color temperatures in each family

My favorite form of wage theft. Did these over the last 2 days.

drew a millenial with a friend

>>6228636
your obsession even leaks into your art?

>>6228638
yes, there was a realisation when it came to the hair, problem?

>>6228636
Hey it's literally me but I don't care for anything in the image attached to me... Dep.

>>6226138
I redrew this

>>6228875
>3 years

>>6228879
I require elaboration

>>6228875
anon...

>>6228907
>>6228879
Speak niggas I aint a fucking psychic

Took a break from grinding fundies

>>6228912
Ignore the retarded crabs, 3 years is nothing
You've improved

does anyone else find grinding gestures excruciating (especially the early part no form just action lines) perspective and anatomy is so much more fun.

>>6228875
Is it really the best you can do after 3 years of drawing?

>>6228875
Reminds me of why I stopped browsing reddit art groups

>>6228912
I think they're saying her boobs are really big for 3 years of growth

>>6228875
> 3 years
if this was you grinding for anything than an hour a week im about to rage quit this hobby

>>6228875
If you want I'll redline it later (can't grab my tablet right now because it's hailing), but
>arms are pretty bad- the visible arm you were probably trying to foreshorten, but the cross-contours make it look like it's just very stubby, so the old one's actually more proportionate
>good effort with the traps and collarbone, especially for anime, but the collarbone is still pretty weird- it would go more straight across rather than coming up in a point
>some lines are still very shaky; this can be hard to deal with if you draw in ink, and even with high line confidence and control you can still just fuck up sometimes and it would be shitty to start over every time (I drew primarily in ink for years so I know this pain), but it's still an issue either way
>you're pillow shading pretty badly, meaning that instead of a clear lightsource, there are just shadows around all the edges (which even if the viewer were holding the lightsource would leave only a very thin shadow around all the edges with a harder edge), and there appear to be zero cast shadows, though it does seem like you're thinking about ambient occlusion to at least some extent, so props for that
>at your skill level if you want to commit to traditional media it's probably time to invest in BETTER media- the pencil scratches, resulting from shitty pencils, shitty paper or both, and the very light values for that matter (on the skin is okay, but the dress should definitely have some pitch-black parts because I know the character's dress is not only black but glossy, meaning it'll have mostly hard-edged highlights and very dark/saturated shadows)
>you also don't seem to be thinking much about relative values, because you made her hair too dark in the newer one- ironically your colours/values look generally better in the old one, though you barely rendered that one at all beyond some scratchy colouring-in
and last but not least
>you drew marie instead of callie, zero improvement in this regard

>>6229325
I can tell your redlines are gonna be as shit as your attitude

>>6228942
No, (like most people, I think) I really enjoy gesture drawing, though for some reason it's hard for me to get started. I can jump right into a drawing because I want to do some character design or I have an idea I really want to get onto paper with something better than imprecise words, but it's so hard to do that first gesture. Once I start it just flows though. Gesture drawing will make you better at anatomy, anyway, and all observational drawing will make you better at perspective.

That said, while I think many people undervalue gesture, I think many others also overhype it. It's not a be-all-end-all or anything, and there is beauty in a more rigid and academic style that comes from pure by-the-books construction. There's an artist like that over on the /tg/ drawthread who definitely makes some amateurish mistakes sometimes, but whose (very stiff) art, made by first posing 3D models and using them as reference, I find appealing, and it's about as rigid and non-gestural as you can get without just drawing everyone T-posing. He also prefers to draw emotionless or robotic characters, so his style fits the subject matter. Any "flaw" can be an element of style if you do it confidently and intentionally.

>tfw instead of happy cartoon old men you end up drawing coked up ntr heads who resemble hermann goering

loomis have mercy on my soul

>>6229330
What's bad about my attitude? The playful comment at the end about a waifu war that was pushed in-game near the end of the game's life cycle, becoming part of the culture of the game's player/fanbase? Or the fact that I used the term "bad" instead of a politically-correct term like "qualitatively-challenged"?

would a vertical drawing board help, over drawing flat on a desk?
is there a good way to make one yourself for next to free?

>>6229404
When you draw, you want your eyes to be perpendicular to the surface to ensure your image isn’t skewed. Angled/vertical surfaces ensure you aren’t fucking up your posture. You can get a drawing board cheap or just make your own.

>>6229325
Thank you, I was indeed thinking about Occlusion shit's my favourite since you can make things look like 3d objects
>shitty pencils
yeah I jumped to digital some time ago, decided to redraw it in trad since it would be fair to be in the same medium, but yeahI still have those shitty Green Bic Pencils i drew the original with
>Calliefag
I'll ingore that since you gave me good Critique

>>6229325
>>6229443
forgot pic

>>6229450
Look up pillow shading and stop doing it.

>>6229473
nigga that's oclussion

>>6229481
The parts where to forms meet, blocking light from reaching them from most directions, are where you see occlusion. The outer edges where there's no nearby form to block the light would not receive occlusion shadows. In fact, in MOST lighting the edges appear brighter because of something often mistakenly called the "Fresnel effect" (pronounced like fennel but with an R; the actual Fresnel effect is that light that gets reflected at a wide angle becomes polarised, but it's become the common term for the way that light reflected from an obliquely-angled surface appears to get clearer and glossier, because more "points" of light/quanta/photons are piling up in a smaller visual space). That's why rim lighting tends to look so good and why core shadows/indirect highlights make things look realer than real if they're absent in a reference but added in a painting, because it emulates "perfect" lighting on a clear day.

>>6229481
>>6229553
*two forms

Is it feasible to grind fundies while animating? My main goal is to animate but I don't wanna neglect my fundies...

>>6229569
absolutely. If anything else it would let you apply those fundies much more thoroughly.

>>6228926
I like it anon. Reminds me of a RO priest

>>6229450

>>6229598
Still wrong nice try tho

>>6229600
I'm not the artist and it's just a lazy airbrush to illustrate what is and isn't ambient occlusion.

Just started drawing again after years of hiatus, thoughts?

>>6229613
I think that you're lying about your years of hiatuds or this isn't your drawing lmao

>>6229629
it is tho, my last painting was on 2020, i got into a gamedev and was depressed for a while so i didn't have the time to paint. but here's another one. I really need to get back into it again

>>6227363
yeah you've improved I think
I still have this from when I was attempting to help you out from a few months ago :^)

Starting to regret using cheap copy paper for this challenge
and I think my printer is dying

been practice drawing off and on for about a month and my hands are still shaky as fuck, will that change overtime or am i going to need to do something else about it?

>>6229834
Hand tremors may be a medical condition. Hope that it's nutritional or stress-related and not neuropathy or something. Do you drink a lot of coffee/tea? What about alcohol? Those are the most common culprits. Ironically alcohol can (temporarily) reduce hand tremors as well.

>>6229481
>ambient occlusion on parts that the light can quite easily hit
Try again

>>6226138
question
i just got started and my drawings are, well wobbly
what should i draw to increase precision of my linework ? perspective geometry ?

Rate my influence chart

>>6230070
nobody cares
also
kys

>>6230079
I'm guessing my tastes mogged you?
You probably wouldn't even be able to fill half the chart, kek.

The schizo is back make sure to ignore him

Very lopsided and sketchy but whatever

>>6230116
it looks digital so why no flipping?
i'm flipping 3x / 1 ctrl-z

Tried to draw a panel from One Piece, turned out meh. Messed up the inital skull shape which messed up the facial proportions.

>>6229598
>the only part where i did it right was the Armpit
Way to out myself

Someone posted this video in the other thread,I think it might be useful for beginners and prolly the reason why (You) are still a beg after all these years.
https://streamable.com/zc746c
>tldw
learn observation skills ffs
ex:
https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A

>>6230611
Could you please give me a simple explanation of how turning into a xerox machine is going to help you draw things from imagination over other skills like construction and perspective?

>>6230611
You can't learn from trannime

>>6230611
PYW.

>>6230631
picrel is you applying construction to "draw from imagination"

>>6229339
>falling for the beg trap
Your own fault, retard.

>>6230611
>still shilling this garbage on as many threads ad possible
Embarrassing idiot.

>>6230646
That's stupid. Who does that? No offense to Saito Naoki, he's cool but nobody draws a frontal face when they want a tilted one.

>>6230661
>Who does that?
90% of the begs

>>6230646
You're replying to esdeathschizo btw, don't waste your time.

my cat

>>6227238
>Good job but your forgot to PYW anon

but i did, just few h later
here, have some more from today
one's traced like always

im not convinced on her pose, what do you guys think?

>>6230956
Because it’s not a stable position, she’d fall to her right

>>6230962
how could i fix it? please tell me

>>6230956
hermano...

>>6226138
sup, practicing only for 2 days just drawing circles cubes and basic shapes
accidentally drew left hand (pic rel) when i was making rectangles
my question is is it even slightly bit proportional ?
also i saw people using three colors, red blue and black, when sketching do you guys just pick them at random or do they have some technical function ?
and lastly how do i hold a tablet pen ? is tripod grip appropieate ?

>>6230965
Switch the posture of the legs

>>6226138

I had fun with a sketch

>>6230956
The body (although oddly misproportioned) is better than the face.

Just finished this

>>6230070
what is the one in the top left?

>>6230070
lmao what is there a picture of specter?

>>6230070
Generic trannime

>>6231166
you say it for the boobs?
ill try to work a bit on the face, however it will be then redrawn into a more cartoony face, desu the face was unnecesary to add

>>6230982
>also i saw people using three colors, red blue and black, when sketching do you guys just pick them at random or do they have some technical function ?
Yes. They are different layers, normally each one of them has a focus like first layer the basic construction, the second the unpolished end-drawing and the 3 background. They are in different colors so the artist can see more clearly if any part of the drawing dont fit well with another, if the perspective is ok, if the figure is harmonious.

other than left hand being wonky what else would you guys recommend me to work on ?

>>6231476
stop drawing generic trannime

>>6231481
why

>>6231490
He’s a frustrated nodraw, just ignore.

>>6231476
Fundies, get them

>>6231509
>>6231509
>>6231509
move
>>6231509
>>6231509
>>6231509

>>6226516
You have an actual mental disease if you need to use a reference. You should be put down for the sake of humanity.

>>6226566
>>6226650
Did you draw all those lines yourself?

>>6227115
post your version of that study then

I can't even draw a box...

>>6231624
Try applying pressure with the sharp end of the pencil

>>6231350
so red is for rough skench, blue is for polished skench and black for background ? will try using it tho i prefer to also add green

>>6227431
You dont have strong value work. Here's a good video to try
https://youtu.be/bN2BggfFTgk

>>6227780
I dont know about the book, but proko has a playlist on hands and its great