/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

sure, why not

>we should return... to Coca-Cola ads

>>6221901
Based. I hate the moden "art" garbage that the leftoids push.

>liberal art threads
>people drawing
>conservative art thread
>people consuming

>>6221959
Funny how you ignore the happy family and fixate on the consumption part

>>6221967
I'm talking about YOU
You're consuming and not drawing.
/ic/ is not an image dumping board, its a drawing board.

How are you this retarded?

>>6221970
kys

>>6221970
There are tons of threads that aren't directly related to people drawing in the catalog. Funny how you only get mad at the conservative art thread

>>6221978
Its the added irony of people crying about the good old days, while not even attempting to create the things they're praising.

Same as they cry for the boomer days when every boomer just talks about how easy it was to get laid because all the girls were sluts.

>>6221956
but anon
Rockwell was a leftoid artist of his time

>>6221990
Conservative doesn't mean racist, contrary to what Reddit and Twitter have made you believe.

>>6221993
>someone who was an advocate for racial equality in the 1900s wasn't a liberal

just admit you have no idea what the fuck you're even trying to politically argue for.

>>6221901
This counts? Korean Jesus Painting.

>>6221901
>You can't have a single conservative artist's art without liberals foaming at the mouth
Kek

>>6221986
Kek, thats fucking hilarious

>>6222001
Conservatism and racial equality are perfectly compatible

>>6222005
>conservative artist's
what is conservative artist mean after all?
is this conservative art?

>>6222016
and this?

>>6221990
not being racist = being a leftoid
go outside
online politics has corroded your brain

are Donatello conservative artist?

>>6222001
Idiot.

>>6222022
>not being racist = being a leftoid
i think there shoud be this /=
by the way what it mean be conservative then?
is be pro woman right /= being a leftoid
or be anti homophobic /= being a leftoid

i dont understand what it mean then?

Why does conservative art make people so mad

>>6222010
Yeah if you just totally ignore everything the conservatives wanted at the time it was totally the same thing.

Think long and hard about what the word conservative means and what the status quo was back then.

>>6222022
I can see how that can be frustrating.
Conservatism has been conflated with some pretty shit idealology by people who clam to be conservative.
But until they as a group can pull back from religion they will always do this.

>>6222041
no its not
what makes you think that

Where's the art? It's all uninspired propaganda in this thread so far. You might as well post some Stalinist art as well.

>>6222041
>conservative art make people so mad
really interesting why

>>6222058
rome's mistake was allowing that christian cult to take over.

>>6222055
>Stalinist art
and Stalinist art was like that at the time

>>6222080
maybe the low resolution oh the image is at fault but this doesn't look particularly good to me.

art has never been conservative and will never be conservative. art creates, artists naturally push the boundaries of what can be imagined. "conservatives" in art merely follow the footsteps of great creatives.

sigh
the chud thread is up again
cuuh-ringe

>>6222116
damn thats incredible

these threads would be more interesting if artists actually showed up for once instead of dumping ads and religious/ government propaganda.

>>6222062
Im sure there was a lot more mistakes, but letting bible thumpers take over was pretty bad

>>6222121
The chudcel paintings were pretty funny

>>6222125
well yes.
but i mean just letting monotheism take over like that. they destroyed everything. it was already deteriorating for a while ut so much knowledge was lost when they began rioting.

>>6222121
Theres literally nothing wrong with patriotic propaganda

>>6222121
>posts corporate and religious propaganda
look who's talking.

>>6221901
>conservative art
>50s consoomerism
mutts were a mistake

It's time for some real conservative art

Forgot my image

Italian futurismo

>conservative art
>just unrealistic 1950s fantasies and religious garbage

>>6222323
I understand conservative as old, painted on canvas, etc.

>>6222323
also where you find religious art in thred

why do you consider these classical paintings ‘conservative’?
sage

>>6222228
Love this guy

>>6222010
bait

>>6222352
Have sex

>>6222044
>t. whitoid who has never talked to a black person

I don't know if you realize this but most POCs are culturally conservative.

>>6222341
>classical paintings ‘conservative’
because they are old
conservative can mean not only political
for example conservative methods of painting etc

in political meaning i think conservative art didn't exist really, or very rare, or it is a cringe meme shit

>>6221920
Did you see what modern ads look like, though? Corporate Memphis has replaced coke ads of old.

>>6222341
Because American progressives in 2022 favor abstract styles.

>>6222363
>American progressives in 2022 favor abstract styles.
i don't think that there is correlation between pol views and favors in art actually

>>6222363
they absolutely do not.
have you been to an art gallery in the last 15 years

>>6222363
Why are chuds so afraid of abstraction

>>6222400
They lack the ability of abstract thought. Unless someone tells them what to think by labeling everything in a clearly defined comic strip they're utterly incapable of making sense of it.

seeing a lot of people call this type of artwork "religious garbage"
lol PYW and tell me about how much better, liberated and enlightened drawing horse cock porn is than following Jesus and his holy apostolic catholic church.
No wonder why this imageboard is so gay, everyone here nowadays is some faggot autist who the only way they are different from the left wing is that they dislike nigger art or something

>>6222415
Religious artwork is just crack fanart.

>>6222360
ads have never been good. 50's ads were cookie-cutter shit at the time. you just worship them because you didn't know what life was actually like then and a feeling of hurt from your life and the people you know, makes you particularly impressionable to different places to live, pasts and futures, and romanticized vignettes of them. If you were to time travel and live there though, it would no longer be new and exotic and you would see ads for the tone-deaf protrayal of life they've always portrayed, it's always been corporate memphis, but you can only snuff out the corporate memphis of the present.

>>6222425
Asian ads are peak kino though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YvgUouPio0

>>6222415
Your post is nigh-incomprhensible which is pretty on brand for a religious cuck.

>>6222425
Indeed nobody had a happy family in the 50s

>>6221990
back in the day conservatives were very progressive, tolerant, and forgiving. back then it was the left who was rabid, who tried to undermine the country with communism, and who orchestrated insane social engineering psyops...huh...wait a second...

>>6222435
Honestly no.
Have you ever listened to a boomer talk about their childhood?
>haha my dad used to just randomly get drunk and beat us with a belt
>yeah back in my day we just casually played in the dumpsters, it was great and nobody worried about poking a hole through their foot with a nail
>NOBODY used vaccines back when I was growing up. Oh remember uncle steve who's still crippled from polio? yeah he's coming over next week
>oh yeah i remember going to the doctor because we were playing around with a bow and arrow and i fell over and destroyed my arm. he just put it in a sling and put me on my way, still can barely use that hand lol

>>6222435
>>6222427
response of an incel

>>6222447
Except that there are actual surveys about how happy people feel and people are more miserable now than since they've been taking that survey.
Broken homes, isolation, depression, medication, all of this way worse than ever.

>>6222453
And rarely is that about families.
When people complain about life now days its about shit like inflation and employment, and how houses cost 10x the relative price they used to.

Family life has overall gotten better in recent years, while there is more complaining going on its only because people are aware of the issues now, as opposed to the past where your dad beating the shit out of your mom was just seen as "normal" since it happened every day in your life.

>>6222447
This is so grossly exaggerated. Do you think pointless hyperbole makes your point look any better?

ATTENTION FELLOW INCELS , this is what will happen if we keep failing to have sex

>>6222476

>>6222474
Now thats a big cig

>>6222475
go back

new right wing art looks very rough for now as it has really just been reborn. but we will get there eventually. the bar is set so low that all we have to do is to show up.

and we will win

>*pants fall down revealing tiny white pecker*
>every starts laughing
>NOOOOO STOP LAUGHING
>YOU DONT UNDERSTAND I CANT BREED!!!! *starts crying like a cuck*
>later...
>at home tying a noose like a cuck
>my life is over... *kicks stool*
>HURRJDHFWHFBQSBDJW
>AAAAAAAACK!!!!

>>6222479
i have always thought that particular basedjak looked like post malone

>>6222473
Literally all things I've heard coworkers say in the past.
Cept the last one that was my professor.

If I had a dollar for every boomer who talked about their abusive dad's I wouldn't need to work with boomers.

really, just do the bare minimum. tell trannies to ack. tell roasties to shut up. tell the libtards to get boned. it's so easy.

>>6222505
>no mentions of drawing
truly the conservative way

>>6222475
>>6222476
>>6222479
>>6222482
>>6222484
>>6222485
>>6222489
>>6222505
fuck anon this was a such good thred with cool old art, and now you ruined it with this right wing shit

also anone who asking about politically conservative art - this is it, a truly degenerative and parasite shit

>>6221901

>Conservative art
No such thing exists, art by it's very nature is anti conservative, and this is coming from a right-wing perspective

>>6222433
horse cock porn artist spotted

>>6222541
Great statue but dick is to small
It looks silly, everyone would laugh at that today.

my favorite: homoerotic communist propaganda art

>>6222981
in ancient times big dicks were basically equated to small brains/brutish.
Same line of thinking as bbc fetish logic

>>6222052
*tips fedora*

>>6222360
What a fucked up world we're going to live in when our grandchildren will be longing for this era they never experienced. Even the corpo ads are so god damn soulless and "ethnic".

>>6221923
BROOOOOOOOOOOO

>>6222246
Jesus thats a fucking gorgeous painting

>>6222405
>>6222400
I am a liberal and I hate abstract art, I'd respect it more if the artists that make it were also capable of doing truly magnificient fine art, but as you would expect, more often than not, they do not.
Instead, they see learning and achieving mastery as an ''opression'' on their ''art soul'' which to me is an insult and disrespect to the art itself, and just an excuse to jack off your ego and get praise without effort

>>6223175
>will be longing for this era they never experienced
What?
Zoomers and boomers already feel that way lmao, why do you think Retrowave made a come back in this decade? Everyone's crying over going back to the 80's

Go watch videos of California in the 60's, it looked like a fucking my little pony episode paradise or something equally as bizarre to witness

>>6222830
>He fell for the ''Conservatives cannot into art'' meme
Yes, of course, you have to drink pumpkin spice lattes and be into pegging to be an artist

>>6221956
>cops 50 years ago: approachable and uniformed

>cops now: wearing pounds of bullet proof armor, dark black with big bold words police, strapped with mags and mags

>>6222515
i like art more than you do

>>6223063
Buy big dicks feel much better

Rubens, Repin, Velázquez, De La Tour... None are safe from my schizo powers
You're next, El Greco

>>6223854
already posted >>6221981 good work lad
this one was partly traced from 'Brennus and His Share of the Spoils' by Paul Joseph Jamin

>>6222228
severe cognitive impairment they said
>>6223862

>>6222110
look how happy he is with his spoils of war

>>6223459
>Not Conservative = Left wing

Ask me how I know you're 16, or politically illiterate

>>6222033
noïce

>>6222415
got a loooong way to go, aren't you?

>>6223051
kek

>>6223459
how fucking insecure do you have to be to be afraid of pegging

>>6224230
Kek, cope harder handbag dog

>>6222094
Damn, that piece is really beautiful.

>>6223854
Do triumph of death if you’re feeling ambitious

>>6225464
I gotta finish Pollice Verso then i'll look into it, but i'm not feeling THAT ambitious.

>>6221923
giwtwm

>>6222027
Just an instrument.

>>6226062
hi was sued for sodomy...as da vinci

>>6223459
Sure looks that way you when fags keep posting 50+ year old paintings and calling them conservative

finished it 20mins ago and /pol/ jannies are already foaming at the mouth

>>6226083
Nothing wrong with that, you don't need to pop into a thread that makes you feel uncomfortable, no ones forcing you to be here at all

>>6226348
I was there, legendary thread thank you for your service.

>>6226352
>>6226348
What thread? Give me the code so I can find the archieve

>>6226355
Either reverse search the image from the archives or look up the filename. Oh fuck it I'll post it myself Kino art left and right and I hope the OP makes more.
>https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/391860569/#391860569

>>6222027
OG tranny.

>>6222094
Conservative art is different from political but if you want art made by a conservative here's McGinnis.

And here's political art.

>>6222473
Kek it isn't.
The nonchalant about things being better back than isn't common imo.
My dad used to be catholic in Ireland in the 60s. Used to get beat by the christian brotherhood daily at school with a metal rod covered in leather.
He also remembers how incredibly poor people were.
His family was considered wealthy since they had coffee and could eat meat more than twice a week.

>>6223864
'emmy

>>6222323
conservatives aren't exactly known for their creativity.

>>6226677
Ok Duchamp, enough internet for today.

>>6226677
only an arrogant faggot would say shit like this

>>6226767
>>6226791
You're triggered because he's right. Artistic expression is progressive by nature. The history of European art demonstrates this fact, it is just the truth, the works of art you regard as classical today were revolutionary in their eras. Forward-thinking is the nature of creative activity.

>>6222326
>CONSERVATIVE ART
>POSTS A PAINTING OF LENIN BECAUSE "I UNDERSTAND CONSERVATIVE AS OLD AND PAINTED ON CANVAS"
The absolute state of 4chan...

>>6222338
>>6222339
These are everything but conservative. They depict a bacchanalia and a sabbath for fuck's sake.

>>6222303
>>6222112
And how are these conservative. Repin wasn't conservative, learn Russian history. Repin's paintings are very politically engaged btw. Lol. "Conservative art thread". People here will really look at anything that isn't the current trending art style and say it's conservative. Really low IQ board.

>>6226838
It's not progressive, you can't say that the atelier system is not conservative, look at Watts, he's trying to preserve techniques and mediums that are no longer fashionable, that's the definition of conservatism, it's has nothing to do with what political parties they vote.

>>6226838
>You're triggered because he's right
nobody is triggered here, conservatism does not make one uncreative, only creative in a different way to "progressives"
who think they are revolutionary for cutting up their genitalia and using neopronouns
>Artistic expression is progressive by nature
are you implying you always have to break the status quo in every way to make good art?
actual retard statement, you need to conserve the beausty of the past to be able to surpass it, historical and artistic progress is different than modern progressivism,the entire western society is in a societal decline if you didnt figure it out yet, real progress increases the life standard, elevates the Human species into previously unknown heights, same with art, it surpasses previous work and changes the artistic landscape positively, Modern progressivism is the opposite of that, it destroys the old standards of beauty and worth and replaces them with cheap charicatures, parodies of what is aesthetically pleasing, it wants to break the status quo at all costs mocking the foundation of our standard of living.
>Forward-thinking is the nature of creative activity.
yes, but only if its actually forward thinking, progressive neoliberals who are the loudest and most noticable part of the aristic field right now are the opposite of that, infantilising themselves and reducing themselves to the level of animals who cant contol their emotions desires and know no discipline whatsoever. the artists alive today who will create the masterpieces of tomorrow are everything except modern Progressive types,

ITT: retards claim that old art = conservatism

How about posting modern examples of """""conservative""""" art instead of co-opting centuries old paintings as a representation of the modern conservative movement.

>>6226970

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>>6226976

>>6226977

>>6226964
Op was not really restrictive in what he meant, conservative is not a straightforward category. technically yopu could post cave paintings because these fit the definittion. no reason to become unreasonably judgemental whaen the theme of the tread is very loosely worded

>>6221901
cute little girl :3

>>6226348
Kek this is awesome

Conservative art is art that holds traditional values, it doesn't need to be a literal trump artwork like picrel. And yes art can be conservative, not everything art related needs to be "new" nothing is 100% original anyway.

CONSERVE THIS!

>>6227132
And to add on there are artists such as Salvador Dali that would change their political beliefs later on. He used to be a rebellious atheistic communist until he later on decided to become a catholic and support Franco (the facist leader of spain). Which would get him kicked out of his surrealistic friend group.

.... So, fantasy art?

>>6222515
that shit is grotesque as fuck, but I can't help but be mesmerized by it. it's like a fever dream

>>6222022
A conservative, at the time would oppose any legislation mandating big government control over racial desegregation. Passing laws outlawing discrimination, etc.

>>6221986
I love this one. Something about those really smug goats.
>>6222080
Feels very grand, so many people.

>>6226348
saved
>>6226970
I listen to this guy on the regular, he is far from conservative. Anti-sjw at best.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFaenf1T-Y

>>6227132
>Conservative art is art that holds traditional values
What does this mean? You can really put anything and it can be considered "traditional" if you twist words enough. A lot of these painting are not related to each other aside from being old. The new pieces espouse a love of violence and cruelty, which I doubt is the "tradition" you want to promote.

>>6223471
firstly, your image is Marines during the invasion of Grenada in 1983, not police so either you're retarded or intentionally trying to be misleading
secondly, >>6221956 was made in 1958 so more like 60 years ago, plus rockwell's paintings were an appeal to nostalgia so that depicts a scene, likely, from the 40's so actually it's closer to 70 years ago
let's look at 1940/50's America vs 2022 America
The New-Deal hadn't fully corrupted the nuclear family of the U.S. Black population yet which created two generations raised without father-figures, four decades before the crack epidemic, less gun regulation meant more Americans were armed which provided a deterrence against violent crime and less reliance on a police force, the immigration reform laws from the mid 60's to 80's hadn't occurred yet so America had a stronger homogenous culture. small town living was still the norm and the movement toward urbanization hadn't occurred yet. Women hadn't entered the workforce yet meaning economic competition for wages was much lower and expenses were lower by effect also meaning poverty/homelessness rates were lower. Ronald Reagan hadn't released thousands of mentally ill people into society yet.
really activates your almonds. but yeah, why would modern police need to be more "militarized" (read: actually prepared to deal with homeless crack heads, thugs and schizos)

on topic, John Collier's Lady Godiva

>>6222094
>artists naturally push the boundaries of what can be imagined.
So artists who are not pushing the boundaries... and are keeping the techniques to make paintings such as what you posted alive could also be called?

And I don't think wanting to make a nice picture necessitates one particular political ideology. Stop thinking people who don't march lock-step with your political opinions are some sort of alien creature; it's this political "othering" that is making things so frustrating right now.

>>6227793
>And I don't think wanting to make a nice picture necessitates one particular political ideology.
You've successfully described why people are flustered with these sorts of threads. In this age constant squabbling over every mild political difference, one 'side' trying to get a foothold in a space not dedicated to culture wars will be considered a threat of sorts. It's not because the flustered ones are of the opposite leaning, it's because watching people get outraged over whatever non-issue was imported from the nightly news or Twitter this week is both exhausting and ubiquitous.
Your views on the Left and why Black people are poor is irrelevant to the topic of this board. If you want to talk about that stuff, /pol/ already exists. Decorating such conversations with family painting and random unrelated classic art is fooling no one.

>>6221956
Norman Rockwell
>conservative

>>6227941
Racial equality is perfectly compatible with conservatism

you guys really should drop the conservative label. there is nothing left to conserve. just call it right wing art. beautiful art. normal people art. the chtonic normgroid masses have given up these terms as they are racist or whatever.

>>6227960
Conservative is a universally understood term, why should we drop it?

>>6226444
If you're gonna post Nazi shit then the least you can do is share stuff from the Munich-based right wing of German New Objectivity (artists like Georg Schrimpf and Alexander Kanoldt, who chose to stay and collaborate with Hitler's regime instead of sensibly getting the fuck outta dodge like their Berlin-based counterparts Otto Dix and George Grosz).
>>6227132
Jon McNaughton is shit and the only good artist or art historian the Mormon theocracy has ever produced is Vern Swanson.
>>6227948
Rockwell was a New Deal liberal who rose to prominence in the twilight years of the Regionalist movement; not conservative. I don't care how many of his Saturday Evening Post covers you or anyone who takes after Ronnie Raygun have fallen head over heels for.

>>6227980
>Rockwell was a New Deal liberal
But a lot of his art was conservative which is what the thread is about

>>6226986
>uhm ackshually here's a dictionary definition
Shut up. OP means at least one of two things: newspaper illustration before the rise of consumer photography killed off what last remnants the field had after two world wars; and academic art (the kind popular in Parisian salons and elsewhere throughout the 19th century). We have a thread for the latter and no-one's posting there. I wonder why?

>>6227997
Quit being deliberately obtuse.

>>6227997
Lol retard the only Rockwell art that you can construe as ‘conservative’ was crap he churned out on a dime to sell suburbanites coke and lawnmowers. It says a lot about the state of the conservative brain that literal bottom of the barrel HOT WOMAN AND COKE BUY COKE or HAPPY FAMILY AND CAR BUY CAR crap is seen as art worthy of discussion to the point that it’s the first images posted in the thread. Fucking sad man.

>>6228015
Not that anon but I fucking wish we could talk about commercial art like Rockwell's without devolving into petty consumer sentimentality. Like people don't realize just how excruciatingly long it took photography to make newspaper illustration obsolete. To be fair, it was already on its way out by the time Rockwell had his moment but that's worth scrutinizing in and of itself! We could go back even further and look at the Ashcan School painters and their backgrounds in cartooning and newspaper illustration and see what they thought of the 1913 Armory Show. There's lots of branching paths for interesting discussion, and no-one in a thread like this is interested in having it.

>>6228030
Sure that’s all interesting and definitely worth discussing. Start a commercial art thread if that’s what you want to talk about, cause OP and the anon claiming rockwells art is conservative seem to think that what they posted represents some idea of traditional values when all it represents is market research and a lie to sell soda. Fifty years from now these guys will look at axe commercials and remember the good old days when super hot women used to fucking busy through the walls throwing themselves at average men

>>6226436
>political art
you will never be an artist

>>6228015
Even if you don't consider it good art, why are you so triggered about it? There's not a single thread on this board about 'good' art, it's all trannime, furry, pedophile garbage and doodles. Why come seething to the one conservative art thread in weeks?

>>6227972
Re-labeling is essential for future political success. Look at conservatards nowadays accepting faggots, abortists and trannies in their party. In the end its the shitlib themselves the ones who dictate what conservatism is rather than a proper right wing party or movement itself. We need a new name for a start and we need to tell those people to get fucked.

>>6228066
because posts like this >>6228090 doesn't help the board increase in quality; it adds more to the shitpile.

>>6222356
kek. I've known a lot of nigs at that aint them lmao

>>6228090
>accepting gays, abortists and trannies
you won't find very many artists, even today, who oppose this, especially considering that so many of the recognized geniuses of the past like Da Vinci and Donatello were themselves smth like gay
>>6222027
>>6222021
and you need to understad that most of conservativs are openly against art as itself, they attacking musems and artschools for nudity...

>>6228204
>they attacking musems and artschools for nudity
boring~ I attack museums and art schools for their incessant union busting, deaccessioning and dogshit wages/benefits!

>>6228222

>>6228231
If I saw that in a museum reference library I'd ask if I could keep it; it's of no use to them at that point.

>>6223851
exactly, that kind of thinking is of one that's surrendered oneself to sexual pleasure and lust. you're no longer a rational human being, more a slave and an animal.

the anon u were replying to has a point, as does the ancient belief

What a lovely concept

>>6228739
finally, someone who gets it.

>>6228739
>surrendered oneself to sexual pleasure and lust
cool. if I'm gonna be a piece of shit bourgeois critic of modernity then I'd much fall in line with a movement like the decadents instead of regurgitated neoclassical trite #9001

>>6222323
even though I mostly draw furry shit, I'm getting more inspired to improve myself by studying these pieces.

Bouguereau with a personal touch

>>6222326
Many paintings you would consider 'conservative' today were quite progressive (both in style and substance) for their time. One can only consider them stylistically 'conservative' in a void detached from art history. It's an utterly moronic way to approach art.

>>6224230
LMAO

>>6230475
wash your ass, anon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXK_vHNNht4

>>6222400
>>6222405
It looks like shit you faggots

>>6224230
You're a fucking queer. Kys

>>6221956
>uses words like Leftoids
>posts Norman Rockwell

>>6227145
You make it look like he became some sort of ascet when he was still a full-blown degenerate just with a christian facade

>>6226348
glorious, and saved.

>>6222044
Politically, conservative means allowing change to happen naturally in a way that doesn't threaten the societal structures that people depend on for safety and well being. Rather than forcing change for the sake of "social justice" even if it actually ends up making everyone's lives worse.

Conservative female employment is allowing female entrepreneurs to start ventures where female labor is suitable and well rewarded. Progressive female employment was throwing them at sweatshops and factories then blaming the right for the increase in female workplace maiming, death and long term illness.

>>6222058
In Constantine's Rome the Christians were the progressives.
In 110 the Catholics were the progressives.
in 1517 the Protestants were the progressives.

Progressivism doesn't mean good, fair, equal, scientific, enlightened, etc. It just means to expedite societal change for the sake of change.

>>6222356
>most non-American POCs are culturally conservative.
fixd. The cattle can't be allowed to have strong family bonds, it impedes party loyalty.

>>6222463
People don't even have families nowadays. The housing market is so shit in part because companies are wrecking affordable family neighborhoods to cover the millenial demand for wagie pods.

>>6222830
90% of artists through history have been church/state sponsored propagandists or architects.
The subversive artist meme started with the impressionists, and the bohemian bullshit was all a kike marketing ploy to sell Van Gogh's art on the back of his miserable life story.

>>6226916
>that's the definition of conservationism
As you yourself pointed out the issue in this thread is people can't differentiate the preservative goal of conservationism from the cautious sociopolitical development of conservatism because American education is purposely deficient.