/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Shameful repost

I'm sorry Professor Blook, i tried
Anyway, should i copy those? First time doing the realistic character drawings and i feel im nowhere near capable enough of doing my own thing

>>6220232
Is Bridgman worth it for beginners?

>repostan
When first starting off, is it better to do fast, shitty drawings, or take your time and try to make them look nice? I did my first upside down stravinsky recently, and it took me 3 days. I probably spent something like 6 to 8 hours on it in total. I feel like I learned from it, but mostly what I learned was how important it is to use lines to block out basic forms near the start, so that things don't wind up totally out of proportion later on, or fail to join together in the middle when copying something. I'm not talking about projecting 3D shapes onto the paper with perspective, just throwing down some basic 2D shapes and lines to keep the length and angle of the lines I'm copying in check. And at my current level, all I'm doing is copying stuff, whether it be photos, objects irl, or drawings.

I've heard several people say that the best way to improve is to do fast, freehand sketches that take ~15-30 minutes. To not bother with construction lines, and just start putting the actual lines you want to draw down on the paper. And also that you should be aiming to do several drawings each day, rather than potentially spending multiple days on a single drawing.

I am wondering, is this advice relevant to total beginners? The people I've heard say this are all much better at art than I am, and I am unsure if their advice is aimed at somebody who's been drawing for about a week. I really struggle to draw something quickly without making a complete mockery of it.

tl;dr - As pre-/beg/ aiming to improve, should I do many fast sketches each day, or take my time and try to make each sketch look decent?

>>6220232

>>6220357
is that Valtr

>>6220376
>Valtr
i don't know who this but it can be if you just believe

>>6220358
>I did my first upside down stravinsky recently, and it took me 3 days. I probably spent something like 6 to 8 hours on it in total.
okay, either you have a serious physical or mental disability or theres no way it took you 6- hours over 3 days to do that shitty exercise you can complete in 5-10min

>>6220375

>>6220390
guess im retarded, because I have no idea how you would draw it in 5-10 minutes without completely fucking it up. I had to spend like an hour redoing some section because the hands weren't going to meet up properly since I went too fast at an earlier point

>>6220390
>shitty exercise you can complete in 5-10min
Anon you underestimate how much time beginners take to get something right
I know becouse i am one

>>6220358
Somewhere in between. I'd say at least once every week or two draw something that takes you a couple of hours, even if it's not good, just for benchmarking and to work out some skills that don't get much work with ten-minute drawings for example. Just do as well as you can. But mostly you want to iterate. Early on you want to improve largely through the accumulation of marginal gains, and you aren't going to see ANY improvement to most of your fundamentals if you spend a long time just polishing a turd. Think about the fact that the most important part of a drawing, that defines the dynamicism and forms of the entire product, is in the first part of the work you do on it; If you spend a week on one drawing while you're still a beginner, you're not going to get much practice in that first part.

>I've heard several people say that the best way to improve is to do fast, freehand sketches that take ~15-30 minutes. To not bother with construction lines
I don't know about that. I've personally never particularly liked excessive construction, though sometimes I do mark the positions of joints or rough shape of the ribcage, pelvis, collarbone and skull when sketching out figures, but it can be very helpful in helping you see, feel and draw forms instead of cartoon symbols. It's easier to understand symbol drawing in the context of facial features, because we have much stronger symbols there, but many people symbol draw torsos too for example- They have this idea of an "hourglass figure" for women, for example, and just draw a ) ( for the waist, which looks very flat without hints of the contours of ribs, hipbones and muscles, particularly with consistency that shows those aren't just two isolated "realistic" contours but indications of an underlying form, and construction helps you achieve that.

i tried to recreate a panel from berserk. any advice?

>>6220444
Thanks anon, this is a very helpful breakdown.

>>6220448
based guilty gear enjoyer

Fourth time drawing a face. Noticing improvements each attempt. Ignoring hair for now and just getting used to construction

I want to practice perspective. What are good exercises to do daily for that?

>>6220331
Is drinking milk worth it for babies?

>>6220536
>Fourth time
>Attempt
What? In a years time you're gonna post "104th time/attempt"?
Just fucking draw. Xth time/attempt is just cope.

I drew this little cartoony girl some time ago

Blows my mind that there is no actual difference in technique between a scribble like this and a properly drawn image. I mean, it's all still 2D, it's all still drawing, there's no transformation that suddenly makes you draw in three dimensions and have the image appear on the page, it's simply knowing more and being able to use that knowledge.

Hello begs, today i am happy with my output

>>6220536
Good one. I have only one question: what are the white diagonal lines going randomly through whole drawing?
>>6220463
Very solid, i kneel
>>6220406
The trick is in drawing lightly and using technique called RESTATING. To put it bluntly you simply draw over the errors. Dont touch the eraser / undo. Also chicken scratching is excellent since it helps you to place the lines without much precision needed. Check drawing of this anon >>6220636 he is both chicken scratching and restating. You want to find reasonable balance between quality and speed.
>>6220358
There are many roads and they all lead into GMI city. The trick is to pick one and keep drawing. Less thinking, more drawing. Pick a course or book and just do it. And PYW
>>6220389
That is knight boss with dog from dark souls 1 DLC. Artorias?
>>6220331
I have seen his books mentioned in sections for INTs or BEGs who want to master anatomy and such, never as first book.
>>6220328
You did well. Less thinking more drawing.

>>6220667
you should draw more things like that bunny

grifter

>>6220667
how the fuck you draw a good bunny and shitty drawings?

>>6220390
I drew it again and this time I tried to keep it under 10 minutes. Just for u.
I didn't actually time myself; I'm a little bit stupid. I think I did it in ~15 minutes, though.

>>6220667
Thanks for the advice. I try to avoid chicken scratching since common advice is to avoid it, but it does make it easier to get the lines down sometimes. I figure I should at least try to grow out of it eventually, though.
>Less thinking, more drawing.
This is something I always try to remind myself of. I suspect it's better to spend an hour practicing inefficiently, than to spend an hour trying to find the perfect practice technique. I just try to make sure I'm actually drawing more than I am reading about drawing.
>PYW
Behold! Try not to look too closely at his shoulder.

>>6220795
where can I find a comprehensive list of which boards do and do not allow spoiler tags this happened to me on /g/ as well and I do not want to suffer such embarrassment again

I’m never drawing ever again you people are cocksucking retard nigger fucks who grope dead children because you are asshole shitlicking ass muncher kike jews.

>>6220636
Cute

hope she's cute

>>6220232
Seriously, how do I get better at drawing? I tried two separate books and I learned nothing from either of them. I keep doing gesture drawings, but I don't know if I'm even learning anything and I'm told I'm not doing it right anyway. Back when I was doing portraits, I was told it was all symbol drawn, so I stopped doing it. At this point I have basically no motivation to draw because I don't improve and I've lost confidence in my ability to draw even simple shapes.

Finished this one but want tips to make the next one better. Any thoughts?

>>6221009
I don't know enough to give you advice, but this is really beautiful.

>>6221037
thank you!

>>6220869
Do you have a blog, anon?

tried sketching with color first and failed miserably. I'm gonna stick to rough sketch and lineart first. Also I wanna grind perspective but I have yet to find a book that focuses mostly on figures in perspective.

>>6221105
you copied the pose and changed the character kek, most creative animenigger

>>6221111
quads of TRUTH crab this nigga he is better than me

>>6220667
After seeing this image earlier today, I became very confused just now while reading through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. I realized I had seen the drawings before and thought I must have mistakenly begun re-reading a section I'd previously covered.

Anyone have any resources to teach drawing cloth/fabric? Preferably just a gallery book but anything will do.

Probably my worst in a few weeks. But at least I did something...

>>6220667
>You did well. Less thinking more drawing.
Thanks friend, i will

bald man

>>6221342
Shiny pokemon.

Bought Steve's book. Going through the first chapter on figure drawing basic facial outlines and body parts. Can't quite make his > draw a triangle, place the ear, add form approach. Look up Loomis method, within fifteen minutes make a fully featured face that actually looks right. Placing two circles is way less ambiguous than building an entire cranium around an ear like in Huston.

Been struggling with most of Huston's approaches to simplification, think I'll just start adopting Loomis' techniques as I'm going through the book.

>>6221404
Huston's sailboats work great for side faces but that's all. Personally I like Loomis with some adjustments more(because it's also not anatomically correct.
It's okay if one method clicks with you more than the other.

Looking at my older work is weird, because sometimes it feels like there's obvious improvement from a few months ago, and other times I see stuff I drew years ago that seems better than my current output and I worry if I've somehow regressed. Is this a normal feeling?

>>6220232
is this a good head? It's better than my previous ones but I want to get feedback from you anons

til that van gogh took up painting at 27 and was still developing his style up until his death at 37.

>>6221497
he also learned off copying bargue plates for 2 years

>>6221342
how did you learn to paint like this?

>>6221111
post your nonanime creative genius drawn 100% from imagination
oh wait you wont coz you are coping permabeg tourist

you cope because u suck

>>6221111
pyw. you can't though.

I'm going to stick to doing studies for a while... I've been wasting too much time trying to make finished pieces

>>6220801
If the main board topic might have a narrative that could be spoiled it will have spoiler tags

warm up doodle

can i get critique on this? i used this as a reference: https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/748864244319309620/.. i'm still a newbie so any advice would be very helpful.

>>6220630
maybe i just wanted to add some additional context to my post you dumb nigger, calm the fuck down

>>6221640
gesture looks weird, makes him look like a smug overgrown school kid

Friendly reminder that if you want to make it, you should leave /ic/ because this entire fucking place is a crab.
goodbye

>>6221249
what are you studying?

Am I gonna make it?

>>6221747
no because it's tranime

>>6220895
Maybe try different books? I'm a noob myself but I assume you stop symbol drawing once you're able to properly imagine the muscles and bones underneath the skin of your characters.

>>6221747
Some dubious choices (like what the hell is going on with the pantyhose for example) and poor forms but you're probably gmi, just not soon.

>>6221782
You don't need to know all the muscles and bones, it just helps visualise all the contours because when we see real people (let alone real clothed people!) the contrast of ripples in their skin is low so most contours are not visible from most angles, though they're all part of the underlying structure and contribute logically to the contours that ARE visible. But really you just need to know (approximately, because all bodies are a little different and most people can't tell the difference between perfect and almost perfect anyway) where those contours are. You can learn that just from doing a lot of nude studies and observing the contours from different angles.

You fucking faggots need to learn your terminology. Redrawing or "restating" your lines are not chicken scratches. Chicken scratches are when you draw what should be an uninterrupted line in several segments instead, thus making it look scratchy. KYS niggers.

>>6221747
no, even if you get better, the style doesn't stand out at all. too much anime and anime-like saturation.

yeah i have no fucking clue what im doing

I need resources for learning digital painting

>>6221790
I mean ive only been drawing for 2 months so I doubt it would be soon, just wanted to see where I stand as a beginner

>>6221856
not bad, the head needs to be bigger and the pecs on the right side needs to be a bit bigger to match the other.

>>6221913
You misunderstand, >>6221856 is telling us this guy jacks off 10 times a day every day. A good picture tells a story.

>>6221716
Anatomy for artists

>>6221856
Looks like you have some clue what you're doing. Just get more clues and keep working. You're gonna make it, anon.

Someone animate this please:

MAKE A 4D MODEL DEPICTING HOW THE SUNS CONSTANT VELOCITY AND ROTATION INTERACTS WITH THE GRAVITY FIELD IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE PLANETS FOLLOW THE SUN

>>6222154
rotational velocidensity

>drawabox insists you do everything physically
>goes through the exercises himself digitally
bravo

>>6222215
I haven't touched DAB but usually when a resource says that its purpose is to keep you from undoing or erasing your lines to "cheat." If you have a modicum of willpower (which is still more than most people to be fair) you can just... not undo or erase. If you plan on drawing primarily digitally it's better to learn line control with your tablet anyway, since the feel will be different from a pen (or a brush or a pencil for that matter).

>>6220358
If you want to play that game make notes of what you should have done, then draw it again. It will be faster, turn out better, and you will learn more. Making the notes is important, if you just start over without thinking you aren't going to improve.

Is painting clouds impressive/difficult? I think they're really beautiful and interesting in a volumetric sense but at the same time they aren't necessarily that complex, I feel?

>>6221516
how2render by scott robertson.

>>6222640
>Is painting clouds impressive/difficult?
No

working small after finishing a big project. Made a whole bunch of these, here's just 4. How do they look?

Bought a couple Morpho books. For anyone familiar with Morpho, is there a best way to study anatomy?

My current plan is to copy the drawings in Anatomy for Artists, using Simplified Forms for reference when needed. Hopefully I'll gain the skills and stave off burnout long enough to do the same for Muscled Bodies and Fat & Skin Folds.

Is this a recipe for failure or success?

>>6222582
so did you rename your file or are you just maliciously posting someone else's work

>>6222708
This looks lazily sketched kek are you even trying to copy 1 to 1?

>>6222710
How do you recommend I practice? I always try copying as close as I can, but always end up finding tons of inaccuracies later on.

>>6222712
Note the inaccuracies and redo it without the inaccuracies.

Ooof today was miserable day. Drawing while tired just isnt worth it. I will pick up slack tomorrow

>>6222698
If the hatching and lines werent so damn perfect i would call these composition sketches or thumbnails. Both on the left looks good. Bird with hundred legs and wizard escaping collapsing magical portal
>>6222640
>impressive
No object is impressive by default. That is up to the artist to pour his soul into the canvas and if he pours enough of it, perhaps then some may call it impressive. Some, not everybody.
>difficult
Anything what isnt well known to broad audience (like faces or hands) can be drawn with great inaccuracy and average art connoisseur wont be able to point out the errors. And clouds come in infinite number of shapes.
>beautiful and interesting
Then you already know everything you need before deciding to draw skies. I suggest making landscapes which have a lot of sky shown (like looking horizontally from tall mountain) for max cloud gains while still having something else in the pic
>>6222582
underboob
>>6221427
>>6220727
My art output differs heavily if i (dis)like the object i am drawing. It differs even more if i am painting/crosshatching or experimenting with brushes and if i am tired or feeling well. I bet its normal
>>6221339
nice lolis
>>6221009
>trad gets for free all these small light reflections as bonus
I kneel, its simple yet so good
>>6220895
You forgot to PYW
>gesture drawings
Try something else. I honestly cant comprehend how grinding 5min burns of people can helps BEGs in anything. Have you tried copying / referencing photos / pictures?
> I was told it was all symbol drawn
There are sometimes trolls / crabs who tell this to many pictures just to bait you, be aware

>>6222723
>I suggest making landscapes which have a lot of sky shown (like looking horizontally from tall mountain) for max cloud gains while still having something else in the pic
This is the concept for a lot of plein-air paintings. Just a thin strip of land at the bottom and loads of sky and clouds.

>>6222720
Take two, then.

>>6222723
>If the hatching and lines werent so damn perfect

They're just meant to be small exercises to reinforce the hatching style I'm still working on. Do you think people would pay for larger and more detailed work that features cross-hatching like that?
Either way, thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it.

>>6222793
The middle skull is slightly short depth-wise. That's the only critique I can give though cause I'm beg lmao

Is left an improvement over the right? Forgive the choppy quality, had to resize

>>6222868
how about you google and youtube composition huh, anon, just try it out
and if you dislike what i just said cuz you only wat a yes/no answer
congrats, youll be a pro artist one day

>>6222858
Thanks. This is going to be an uphill battle; I'm shit at noticing shit.

Been trying to actually learn how to draw instead of drawing for the sake of it. Started reading Fun with a pencil a bit ago (Study 2) not that crazy far in it due to other obligations, but that book has been a lot of help in helping me use shapes to construct, something I've struggled with and still struggle with a lot. All the blue-ish gray stuff was drawn on my phone so apologizes if you can't see the construction lines on some of the drawings since there was no layer options on the app I was using.

I think the big thing I'm still trying to understand is how to study art? Like the exercises and directions to go.

my lay ins are coming along pretty great considering it's my first day doing them, the proportions are off a tad but that'll shape up with time
the bottom two refernces are really tough angles though, almost gives me a headache trying to do the freehand drawing despite having traced over them beforehand

>draw something
>it looks like garbage
>take a 5 minute break
>look again
>this doesn't look so bad
What is this effect called?

Please, someone lie to me and tell me I’m GMI. It’s been a rough day.

>>6223067
ur GMI, anon
U have some nice flow and movement to ur drawing. Pure sovl
Don’t give up!

>>6223071
Very kind of you.

master study of a twitter artist I appreciate a lot

what do i gotta do to improve?

>>6223169
Why are your sketches so clean? What pencil do you use?

>>6223177
koh i noor 2b

>>6223209
very nice

Currently studying Hogarth and decided to draw from reference. Is this girl's proportions weird? Seems like a fridge-type with an over extended belly. Can someone confirm? My drawing turned out really ugly following these measurements.

i draw hands on my boober

Just organized my drawing papers into folders and with all of it stacked it was like 6cm thick. Insane.
Anyway left is from reference and right is from memory as I was advised. Am I doing it right? Also is this ref a different body type from >>6223384? Seems her belly button is extra low.

>>6223554
Forgot pic

How do I make my boxes consistent like in Vilppu's book? I can draw individual boxes but struggle with putting them in relation to each other. Do I need to take it really slow and draw out perspective lines for each box?

>>6223562
Read D'Amelio's Perspective Drawing Handbook.

First time painting. Actually a bit proud of how it turned out.
Found the reference on pinterest and decided to try my hands on painting
I tried seeing the colors instead of eyedropping it, so it might look a bit off the ref but its good practice
Also I have no idea how blending works, and I need to get more used to the tablet, hotkeys and changing sizes on the brush

>>6223713
I'd like to know which software/brushes you used for that

enjoy a collage made by "dvachers" in ours beg thread

>>6223732
This actually makes me want to study perspective, interesting.

>>6223725
CSP, a brush for the moutains (Content ID:1820127), a brush for the clouds (Content ID:1723992) although wet paint blender does most of the work there, pinetree brush (Content ID:1824045) and a foilage brush (Content ID:1903502)

>>6223713
I somehow feel the perspective is off, but I cant quite tell why

>>6223740
it's the glacier part taking up so much space

>>6223713
Maybe it's little of perspective (I may be wrong but back looks too high if it's water) but it looks very cool. Can you tell pipeline? Hope to see more of your works.

>>6223740
>>6223741
>>6223751
Better?
Also thanks.

>>6223444
But her hands aren’t on her booba.

>>6220232
okay i'm finnished not even gonna attempt to color it
main objective was to train my hand and understand various tools in Krita's "digital" section
so i used ink 1 precision for shilouete
basic6 for skenching
basic 5 for simple shading
and airbrush for simple shading
is there a krita cheat sheet on what pen to use when ? you know for retards ?

I traced a photo of my cat and I’m trying to learn how to digital paint but I’m too retarded for this

>>6223794

>>6221889
dude i drew a fucking shoe i didn't even started with characters yet
just practice and post more results

>>6223826
stop worrying about he fur texture and squint at the photo to see the big value shapes you negroid

>>6223177
yeah bro it's his pencil and not him erasing all the unnecessary lines or anything

>>6223836
Can't say what is better but additional details on second makes more interesting relief.

Alright. Time to start studying perspective (again). Trying Hogarth figures with construction has taught me that perspective is fundamental to draw figures from imagination, and that drawing from reference is mostly a begtrap (level 0: xerox machine). In order to draw something like the pic on the very right, I will need to grind boxes.
Do I really have to do Drawabox or are there any good alternatives? I'm not really impressed by the owner's works. I don't see foreshortening or anything that I'm attempting. It's just straight poses which I can already do without ref.

>>6224017
>drawing from reference is mostly a begtrap
he says as he draws tranime void of any construction and knowledge

Pain

>>6224028
Hi Level 0. I'm trying to get to Level 1 so pls don't drag me down. My reference drawings are fine >>6223558 and I am comfortable with realism after drawing exclusively that for many months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdNeOF18zdg

>My reference drawings are fine
Esdeathschizo at it again with the jokes

>>6224056
It is. It's good "enough". My proportions are spot on and all that's left is rendering which can be fixed on digital. My placement is always 99% accurate and I'm not trying to become a xerox machine. Watch the video. It literally tells you that "improving observation" (i.e. what KtD teaches) is a begtrap mindset that will never get you to the next level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdNeOF18zdg
I felt this first hand, drawing from reference the past few weeks put me in a comfort zone knowing that I could make money with commissions at this level (provided I have digital). But I want to go beyond that, so yeah.

>>6224079
Gonna call your mom and tell her to cut the internet because her son is acting very weird again.

Shizo strikes again with "it's good enough" when picrel is level you should be able to draw at to pass the uni entry exam in russia

>>6224106
or this for example

>>6224103
Oh well, stay beg I guess. Keep spending years at level 0 improving your "observation" which children in Russia overcome in just one year.

>>6224106
>>6224112
Yeah looks like you didn't read the comments section. People waste years at level 0 perfecting "copying off a reference". Meanwhile children just go to the next level. Unless you believe in neuroplasticity, improving observation is clearly a begtrap but hey go ahead and become a xerox machine I'm not stopping you.

Does anybody know what kind of tool is used to achieve lines like this?

I've been trying different stuff but nothing looks like it.snj8wj

>>6224161
Hard round

>>6224156
based

>>6224165
I was pretty convinced that it was but I couldn't replicate it. Just can't get it to look soft.

>>6224183
kek

>>6224161
is...is this even a serious question?
thats just a normal basic brush

>>6224186
Welcome to /ic/

>>6224156
Lmao. Stop hiding behind chicken scratching and pyw, trad with no ref.

>>6224165
CSP doesn't have a hard round, what do I do?

i did replie to you multiple times with my drawings both digital and trad and the only response i got from you that i'm somehow "blind" because of my skill and i don't see how actually good you are

>>6224240
>CSP doesn't have a hard round
nigga i don't even use clip studio trash but even I know that it has one
try the dense watercolor brush or whatever it#s called with pen pressure on obviously that is basically the equivalent to the hard round brush in photoshop if I remember correctly

>>6224240
There is mixing brush which is basically hard round brush

>>6224240
Round oil, markers, etc.

>>6224240
g pen and turnip pen are both hard round, nacho pen on the asset store (it's free) is a hard round with both pressure size and pressure opacity which is what >>6224161 looks to be

>>6224243
Oh right you're that Antz guy. You're good at rendering, that's about it. Haven't seen your trad but I doubt you could whip up a piece better than this in 10 minutes. I presume you spend about 10 hours per drawing and minimum 2 hour for the initial sketch, which is basically beg tier according to the video.
My point is that ultimately you can make it while still being at level 0 by copying off a reference and learning rendering like this girl >>6213191
, but if you want to take that extra step you're going to have to study perspective and construction to make interesting poses. And I mean REALLY study it, not like the Drawabox guy who can't draw anything with foreshortening utilizing knowledge of perspective (see pic).

no i'm not that guy

Yo, am in need of some help. Am a beginner and am learning to draw straight lines consistently (yes I'm going through drawabox who gives a fuck).

I've come across a problem - whenever I try and draw shorter lines some subconcious wrist movement always happens and fucks up the line. I don't have this issue nearly as much with longer lines, pic related.

Any tips on how to stop this? Or is it just a case of "do it a bunch"?

Thanks.

>>6224342
Honestly if you can't even draw a small straight line without asking 4chan for help you should consider becoming a prompt engineer instead

>>6224354
We all gotta start somewhere. I'm not gonna just give up because I've hit a roadblock early on, that's some weak mentality right there.

>>6224342
short line use wrist, for long lines use shoulder. If you want to use the shoulder then draw at an angle with a drawing stand/easel

>>6224282
Sigh. Yes you are. You're the only poster that impressed me recently and I remember you also drew a trad xerox skull. It was impressive but lacked creativity and your loli holding the scissors looked like she was from the movie Antz.
You are basically Drawabox-tier. Good at rendering but never challenging yourself with interesting poses like >>6224280
, feel free to prove me wrong.
I'm sure you've studied perspective, but I believe you've spent most of your effort on rendering rather than gesture.
As I am studying Hogarth, whose focus is on constructing from imagination, I am trying to make UNIQUE, FORESHORTENED poses instead of generic flat poses like >>6224280 and basically anything from a standing reference photo. I have memorized the proportions already and provided I spend the time rendering I can make a decent drawing already and it's not going to change no matter how much I grind or learn to shade (which is nonexistent in manga).
I can go the make-money route and just copy poses and learn to render and take commissions, but that's not my goal. My goal is to draw manga so I have to learn to construct any pose from imagination, which is why studying perspective is my next priority. Endlessly striving for perfection copying off a reference is meaningless to me.

>>6224363
But the wrist movement is what's fucking me up to begin with. When I manage to draw a short line without any wrist movement it comes out well.

And I'm drawing on a drawing board.

>>6224370
draw with a pencil and use a different grip, as long as your arm is resting on the paper you are going to use your wrist. You want your arm in the air so you can move it freely

Oh you just called by a wierd name but yeah that's me
i don't understand what you mean by mesagge about gesture or imagination
i do 99% of the things from imagination
picrel was drawn fully from imagination does it look intresting to you esdeath?

>>6224383
or maybe some of my cuties melt your heart

>>6224380
Could you explain the reasoning behind using a pencil? What benefit would that have?

I don't tend to rest my arm at all on the paper - but I do rest my hand on it, you know what I mean? Is that what you're referring to?

>>6224387
i like the little blob dude

>>6224387
the cunt a tthe bottom with her head tilted looks off even for gay animu standards looks like her head isn't connected properly

>>6224342
Instead of thinking of it as making a short stroke, think of it as making a long stroke with the pen only touching the paper briefly. Or just do it more slowly.

>>6224395
>>>/sag/

>>6224383
Nope. As I said, great rendering. But can you construct something like this from imagination in 10 mins? This is something I randomly picked up from Google, I can give a better example, but what I'm trying to achieve is being able to construct ANY pose instantly using knowledge of perspective.
If you look up the artwork of the Drawabox owner, all of his poses are flat, generic, not using perspective to its maximum potential.
In order to achieve that I need knowledge of how cubes rotate, so that I can rotate the torso Hogarth style in any direction.
In other words I think you should challenge yourself more with more creative poses. Depending on your goals, of course.

>>6224395
based schizo lolicon

>>6224395
>>6200946
>>6200946
>>6200946

>>6224388
the pencil is easier with different grips and using the overhand grip will help with shoulder movement. This is assuming you want to draw with the shoulder more

Draw dynamic posses like mangaka with decades of experience? probably not

>>6224398
Ahhh, alright. That is definitely a good idea! Perform a longer line but just touch the paper briefly. I'll definitely give that a go.

>>6224404
Surely if you want to construct any pose from imagination, you're going to need to practice a fuck ton from various references to get a grasp of the human figure at different angles n such?

What is this autistic obsession esdeathretard has with 10 minutes

>>6224448
drawing quick = drawing good of course

>>6224442
I will come all over her knees

>>6224017
blah blah blah
Your words do not match your skill.

It's been 2 years already. What happened to your daily "progress"?

>>6224418
It's definitely possible once you master cube rotating then rotating these Hogarth shapes into perspective. If you truly mastered it, it should be possible within ten minutes.
When I said gesture, I don't mean generic gestures like from the gesture general. I mean actual gestures, like inventing poses that you won't find on Google Images. You definitely won't find anyone doing >>6224404 anywhere.
Regarding your painting I think it's good composition but then again it's been done and done again. Sure there are people that would appreciate it and it's an interesting perspective but it's not what I'm talking about.

>>6224422
Maybe but rotating the cube comes first. I doubt there are that many references available for >>6224404 so there is definitely a trick to it that you have to find out for yourself. I suspect many mangaka gatekeep these simple tricks that are discoverable upon trial and error.

>>6224511
You can see my daily progress in the daily progress thread and I have no need for it as I finally reached 99% accuracy with placement of features (not hard once you learn to measure) >>6224079. I also am satisfied with my faces from imagination. I could have autistically strived for mastery in shading but I'm not trying to become a xerox machine so I'm moving on to perspective. Honestly the only reason I started realism is because everyone insisted that it was necessary to draw a good anime face, but the most I got out of it was general drawing tricks like symmetry. Was fun anyhow.
Honestly if my tablet wasn't broken and I didn't have carpal tunnel I would be rendering final pieces on digital, but CT was a blessing as I no longer have to waste my time rendering and can focus on studying.
The reason >>6224017 seems low skill is because I'm experimenting with new perspectives and foreshortening. You've already seen what I can do with generic gesture poses, I don't need to prove myself anymore.

>>6224548
forgot pic

>>6224541
How do you not get bored of drawing these

>>6224551
Because I like drawing, even when its studies.

>>6224448
>your art is good but i did mine in 10 minutes so i win so get mogged.
>your art is good but i only started drawing for 6 months compared to you so i win so get mogged.
>your art is good but mine is in traditional so i win so get mogged.
you cant argue against someone who is denial

>>6224565
he is mentally ill obvously

>>6224548
I mean... there are plenty of 3D Model programs you can use to make that exact pose. Hell, even Clip Studio has that.

>>6224554
You're doing an awesome job dude!

Who is a bigger schizo, Esdeathschizo or Studyspammer? >>6224541

>>6224584
Where's your studies, man?

>>6224584
>study spammer
>two drawings in the whole thread

>>6224584
Obviously esdeath

>>6224580
Thanks, I appreciate that.

>>6224593
Keep it up yo

>>6224589
Literally all you do is post the same boring studies though. That is a clear sign of schizophrenia.

>>6224600
We've had this exact same conversation before. >>6214798
Not really sure why my drawings offend you so much, my studies are not the only drawings I make, I don't post all my finished drawings on /ic/. I post my studies here because-
>Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.
Is literally instructed and encouraged by the OP
>schizophrenia
Cool buzzword, let's see your work anon.

>>6224621
turns out he's >>6224395
(though honestly I like that schizoart)

>>6224600
at least he doesnt go full autism mode unlike esdeathfag

>>6224621
imo you should pick another brush

I haven't done anything art-related in a week or so, so i thought i'd get back into it by painting some clouds because i like painting clouds.

You wanna get into Burrow-town, you pay toll flesh-man.

quick little beg study trying to get more comfy with painting

>>6224745
incredible

>>6224749
I suck at captchas
but its the one right below

>>6224745
Not actually drawing anything is the most /beg/ vibe there is

Why the fuck is digital painting so hard for me
I did this plastic bottle in about five minutes or so

Will I get anywhere by copying out manga character art every day?
I can never stick with programs or books, so this is my best chance to make drawing a habit...

>>6224808

>>6224808
Learn to group things into simple shapes and look for colors. I have trouble with 5 minute studies but ive been trying just using a square brush in heavy paint and thinking about light and color

>>6224837
I’m really trying not to be rude here but if your pic is what you’re capable of in 5 minutes I don’t think you should be giving advice of any kind for now

Tried sketching one of Frank Frazetta's paintings. I probably should learn fundies before doing master studies but this is more fun.

>>6224079
>Children Art School: Year 1
>How to hold a pencil with the candle grip
>How to draw perfect lines: straight, and curved
>How to measure relative proportions, goals, alignments, angles, and crosspoints with a pencil
I want to learn these first!
Anyone have better resources for them than what the front page of google is about to give me?

>>6224808
Maybe because you are rushing the work? Not sure why you would restrict yourself to 5 minutes. Great pieces of art of the past took months or years to make

>>6224863
You'll learn fundies from master studies. Fundamentals are actually like 99% of what goes into art skill, and what remains is style, which someone who is competent in fundamentals can change at will. You learn fundamentals fastest by doing different kinds of studies. For example you may have not gotten perfect accuracy but this study helped you work on your values, lighting and line control and was probably like a single hammerblow in nailing anatomy (which some consider a fundamental; really it depends on whether you primarily want to draw living and especially human subjects) into your head.

I think people here get too hung up on trying not to do anything some crab or pseud (or pseud crab) will tell them is "learning the wrong way" or something, and covering their ass against that kind of reply. Doing master studies is fine at your skill level. It's fine at any skill level beyond, like, first-week /beg/ who doesn't even know what value means or how to draw a clean line.

>>6220720
I love this. Good job anon. Made me laugh.

>>6224892
Thanks anon

>>6224079
Traditional art sells for more, actually, whether selling finished pieces or working on commission. Like my little sister just draws "weird" portraits with little sense of form and no perspective and she's sold three for $100 each without particularly marketing her art, while the "standard" commission price for highly detailed digital pieces with good fundies is around $40 (partly due to latin americans pushing the price down by undercutting everyone, partly due to people inherently valuing digital art less since it can be instantly, easily and perfectly copied in its original format).

Anyway that video misses the mark heavily as with most luddites who turn up their nose to photographic reference, even though the advantage of drawing a single still life from a life model is negligible compared to drawing from photo reference. He also LITERALLY DOES NOT SAY that observational skills are a waste of time; he says that 1: high-/beg/s/low-/int/s like those whose work he shows at the beginning often think they "just" need "better observational skills" when they're actually missing more fundamental fundamentals, like value mapping, form and perspective (all of which SERVE your observational and imaginative faculties), and 2: that copying photographs specifically "trains a different set of skills and does not teach constructive drawing," which as I already said is BS. You can mindlessly copy from a photo or a live reference, and you can use construction or think in forms when drawing from a photo or live reference as well.

I wanted to show what I meant by gesture. I think gesture has to show emotion, not just movement. And to make interesting poses it's best to start with scribbles and mess around first. It's hard to think of a pose in your head so I just drew lines until I found a pose I liked, and expressed emotion in the face and through gesture. I think this pose is more interesting than generic poses I see in the gesture general and Hampton books. This is my first proper gesture drawing so I want to see where this leads me, I will keep drawing more and add in more emotion.
The thing is gesture is impossible to replicate. The messy lines make up the picture. If you try to redraw it with clean lines it will lose all the movement from the original.

>>6224916
Yeah that's kind of my point. You need construction and in order to construct you need perspective. However Hogarth teaches you to draw from imagination, where perspective is needed when you make dynamic poses. It's best to learn from both but there's a limit to the poses you get from real life models. You can't get those dynamic movements unless you do from imagination, most of the time (unless you're referencing another drawing from imagination).

>>6224932
If your model is fit you can get any kind of pose, all the more if you use a camera. If YOU are fit and have a camera and/or mirror, you don't even need a model. That said, yes, it can be cool to stylise and push the gesture.

How long he is drawing? For two years ive heard is it right?

>>6224963
Show me a gesture pic. I won't ask you how long you've been drawing, I already know it's going to be generic.

>>6223615
nice work anon

What are good beginner things to paint?

>>6225001
nature. the sky.

>>6225001
cactus and mushrooms

>>6225002
>>6225024
Thanks for the suggestions. Don't really know what I'm doing with coloring but I'll just have fun with it and see what happens

>>6224868
Drawabox and evistons book.
Finish the 250box challenge before starting eviston. Once you get to lesson 3 on drawabox you can either continue it or drop it for resources that teach you what you want to learn like figures, landscapes etc etc
Evistons book is just great all round. Drop that once it gets boring but its a good idea to go thru the whole thing, its not too long and he rushes you through it all

Hello begs, today i learned painters in 16th century had to drag with themselves panel of glass and then used it to trace the real life until they finally learned they can do it in their mind. Fascinating really.

>>6224748
what happened to her face lmao
>>6224655
Are you the cloud anon? Dont cheat your clouds and do the details too. The curls and such
>>6224584
crab spotted, PYW or perish
>>6224106
>pass the uni entry exam in russia
What? there are art schools in RUSSIA? And they arent just private kids daycare, you actually need to be good to get in? Wow
>>6223826
tracing is like a drug for begs. it produces FAST and GOOD results with almost no training or practice required. But it does you great disservice and makes you hard-stuck in drawing skill level. You arent training perception and feeling the form when you trace and that is really bad for BEGs. You have been warned.
>>6223836
Very nice. The tree brush makes me jealous. I would probably spend 2 hours rendering the branches like a retard manually
>>6222856
I am that kind of guy who lives in empty room and doesnt see issue with it. So i cant really even guess. For me people who pay for pictures might as well be aliens from different planet
>>6224342
drawbox is meme, i recommend right side of the brain or keys to drawing if you hate reading long text. Unless you somehow like the idea of grinding boxes

>>6224541
>studying but not improving
holy kek your are not kim jungi just give up

>>6225148
Not sure why you're so angry but I've definitely improved from when I first started drawing.

All from imagination.

>>6225156
>Not sure why you're so angry
You're mogging him so he's projecting to try to discourage you and hold you back. He's a crab. I know he's annoying but don't feed him the attention.

>>6225201
symbol drawn. Use references

>>6225208
You are a very malicious crab. If I was lss informed I would have believed you and wasted years copying off a reference and never improving. Luckily I'm smarter than you think. Only wasted maybe 1.5 months total drawing from ref kek.

>>6225211
less informed*

>>6225211
how do you draw something if you don't know what it looks like

>>6225216
Construction and perspective, anon. The fundamentals. Maybe try it yourself instead of copying off a ref all the time?

>>6225220
ok. I see why all your work is symbol drawn

>>6225225
Okay, stay ignorant then. Meanwhile I shall study Hogarth and leave you behind.

>>6222922
Current drawing. Probably just gonna finish the hands and call it for this one, I wanna do a similar pose but have her looking down on someone with one of her arms pointing a bit towards the viewer.

>>6225053
Alright here's a quick digital painting of sky/clouds, with colors taken from a pic I took of a sunset
As you can probably tell I made liberal use of the blur tool, it's hard to get that wispy look just right. I had fun, it's like when I messed around with painting as a kid except no mess.

Every day I come to /beg/ and see people replying to esdeathfag. If you can't even learn to ignore them, what hope do you have of learning to draw well?

>>6225126
dude you're literally symbol drawing, whats wrong with your fucking faces.
>>6224846
im taking the bait pyw or some shit doing 5 minutes studies with only square brushes is hard
>>6224808
because of the other anon being a shit head i did a water bottle for you. Water bottles are transparent like cars. So most of the detailing and defining of the form is done by just putting in the reflections. this can be tedious and take time. I pros should lasso it but im lazy. you need to know the light source and whats reflecting to accurately do something like this.

>>6220232
Thanks for the challenge, OP. I feel like this was a good exercise in perspective and proportion, since using the V shape and the white line on the left as "measurement" made it a lot easier to keep things in tune.

On books: should I be doing something before starting Hampton's figure drawing book, or is the plan there just to go through and copy every diagram in the book and by the time I'm done I'll have an understanding of basic things like construction and perspective?

>>6225365
Impressive, 99% correct measurements!

Tip for begs: if you want to improve your copying accuracy do some bargue plates

>>6225488
bargue plates are useful and pretty clear on how to copy them but they aren't magic
if your copying technique sucks its because you need to get better at using sighting techniques

>>6225488
Thanks bro I'll do it because I suck at copying

Anyway here's a head

posting since thread is near kill anyway, one day I will into muscle girls
>>6225557
this reminds me of that guy who everyone learns from that isn't ahmed aldoori and whose name escapes me

>>6225642

>>6225609
I think you need to get comfortable with making single lines, but whatever feels good

I drew this recently, can you critique, please?
Something's off about it but I can't tell.

Any critique you have is appreciated

>>6225704
looks like a porno why are their eyes censored

>>6225704
Girl at the bottom has a big arm.

>>6225642
Sinix?
>>6225126
>Very nice. The tree brush makes me jealous. I would probably spend 2 hours rendering the branches like a retard manually
Thanks man, yeah alot of repetitive work is just copy paste too when it's not a brush.
Like windows of a building or something.

>>6224034
can you draw an anime girl for me

>>6225699
Ratio is fucked needs to be wider.
Construction of the fox, and the tire looks flat
The tree behind the car, branches will come in front of the center too so paint some there too.
Overall looks nice and took alot of effort, really like the sky.

Any ideas for how I can pull off a better thin plastic material look or does this look good to you

>>6225754
Maybe add some specles of hard light to show the texture?

Critiques? Anything helps. (Also yes, I know the hand/arm is fucked.)

>>6225767
I'm not good at drawing myself but something that improved my sketching was first drawing the major shapes of the subject instead of focussing on the details.

>>6225656
Soul

>>6224979
thanks!

another head

>>6225842

Sketching humans is so fun /ic/ bros

>>6225996
Why sign this

>>6226001
Because I made it and I'm proud of it

>>6226002
Do you sign every time you do anything? Weird

>>6226006
Yeah pretty much unless I'm doodling.

>>6226008
Weirdo

>>6226017
kek

>>6224280
AAAAAAA fuck this guy I hate his art so much. Have you seen his webcomic? Hes INCAPABLE of drawing anything interesting. Rather die than take any advice from him.

>>6223564
I can't freehand multiple boxes in 1 scene, should I just go serious and practice using perspective grids and rulers? Even shit like this is impossible, I can't conceptualise it.

>>6226064
Download the Vandruff lectures and watch them. It will teach you the necessary techniques to see perspective.

Alright /beg/tards
Lets see your LOOMIS methods draw THIS

there's two people who make threads on page 1 where are they when you need them

>>6226138
>>6226138
>>6226138
new

>>6225996
based gigachad putin