/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6207863
Alternate reference.

It's so much harder for me to draw digitally. Drawing traditionally just feels more effortless for some reason.

Almost done with this one. never done something this detailled before.
engravings and stuff are exhausting

>>6207885
Amazing work, anon. Do you plan to add a background? It would be a waste if you don't.

>>6207888
thanks, i'm gonna do a background but i'll be something simplistic since i'm pretty bad at them and don't wanna make something that'll drag it down instead of making it pop

>>6207885
gmi

>the most important thing for a beginner is to just draw
I can't even draw circles and lines that don't look like shit
every time my pencil touches the paper, I am enraged at my incompetence

>>6207936
Spend several years away from /ic/. You will stay permabeg forever if you are constantly being bullied by insecure stagnant losers on the internet.

rocks are fun

>>6207936
Just draw basically means copy things, either from life or from images. You can draw what you want as well, but you get better at drawing what you want by copying appealing art and real life. Also try to only use CSI lines, and avoid erasing by really trying to think about what marks you're trying to make. You'll suck at first, but you gotta push through. I still suck

>>6207960
what are the wispy lines around the rock on the right?

Am I improving?

>>6207981
No. Stop symbol drawing.

>>6207981
you need to read keys to drawing

>>6207990
Define symbol drawing.

>>6207997
Why? Which page?

>>6207981
"I work out at the library" alien lookin ass

>>6208003
>Why?
because you're symbol drawing
>Which page?
all of them

>>6208013
Define symbol drawing.

>>6207960
That's a penis dude.

>>6207981
Esdeath?

>>6207997
>>6207990
stop responding to him

>>6207981
Why you bastards can't learn heckin' proportions.

How much dedication is required to really improve?

I used to want to be an artist, but never dedicated myself, and wound up not drawing a single thing for the last 5ish years.

I want to get back into it as a hobby, but it can be disheartening feeling behind.

Found 40ish minutes to make this today though

>>6208041
If you drew all 5 of those years you'd be almost halfway to /int/

>>6208040
Dunno what you're talking about. I know the proportions, I'm currently studying Huston. My reference had a large forehead, the chin-brow-nose line wasn't split into perfect thirds so I had to adjust.

>>6208041
ten thousand hours of deliberate practice

>>6208041
It really depends. Probably years and years until you become int if you work hard. But normalfags were impressed by my mid beg doodles so I dunno.

>>6207863
>>6207869

>>6207981

>>6207338
Like this. Read Jack Hamm and Vilppu.

I feel like my art isn't expressive because I have no emotions, what do?

Can I do KtD in pencil and eraser or do I have to use fineliner?

>>6207970
>Also try to only use CSI lines
What is the point of this retarded procrustean bed? Who are you parroting? Not everything you copy will be properly described with them.

>>6208071
damn crakkkaz be enslavin us and stealin our teknologies n shiet

>>6208045
i tried

Any /int/bros here who feel like giving critique? What can I do better and what should I focus on now? What else can I do to improve my spatial reasoning? Drew this cat from reference and it's basically my current level.

>>6208116
Now overlay it

>>6208123
fixed

>>6208136
top lip is too tall.

>>6208087
>try

Emma Watson.

>>6208116
What tools did you use?

Which is better? My sister prefers the one at the right but i kinda like colors looking faded

>>6208180
Depends on the surrounding context. Also try poses that aren't just an A-pose.

>>6208180
>i kinda like colors looking faded
Because you're autistic, normalfags LOVE saturation.

How do you get good at ROCKS.

>>6208194
>digital
>using the straight line tool
You will never make it, retard.

>>6208180
Its an ancient scientific observation that bright and highly saturated colors excite children, animals, and those with low IQ. Sounds fucked up but it is what it is

>>6208195
I didn't use the straight line tool though!
>mfw draw a box challenge worked

>>6208194
design a better silhouettte or pose
why is grass growing on rocks
what kind of rocks are these? put some thought into it

Is a 90gsm notebook and a hb pencil enough for going through Loomis?

>>6208206
yes but might want to just use copy/printer paper.

>>6208183
Its just a character design sheet

>>6208199
Then it's even worse; it looks like you used the straight line tool, which means you drank snake oil.
>draw a box
It all makes sense now. Ngmi.

>>6208180
Jacket of the right rest of the left

>>6208235
Trying cell shading because I want to do animation.

>>6208194
you find rocks or pictures of them and draw them

Finished this today.
Also am I blind, or did the general draw thread disappear?

is this fapable?

>>6208274
Legit looks like an alien dick with all the veins and shit

>>6208279
Good

>>6208195
Most of those aren't even straight lines but the stabilization is obviously way up. You can tell because it has the distinctive mark of hooked ends that just curve off slightly instead of actually hooking.

>>6208278
>>6208280
doesn't look like my mom, so no

>>6208274
looks like something from SCORN

>want to learn how to draw
>can't think of anything specific i want to draw
>lose motivation
see ya in another couple of months

I can't draw a straight line.
I can SEE my wrist wiggle and wobble as I arc a line across the paper or tablet.
Am I stuck working on line control until I can fix this? Kids were able to do this shit, I'm hopeless, aren't I?

>>6208319
Yeah, as far as I'm aware it's pretty inspired by Giger's works, which I like pretty much as well. Haven't really looked up scorn stuff that much though.

>>6208326
Yes. You are hopeless. Give up now. Pratice has never allowed someone to get better or learn something new

>>6208326
Read/watch the Art and Science of Drawing

>>6208323
take the copypill and let your poor friend imagination relax and watch

>>6208329
I think if I've practiced long enough with no progress I'm doing something wrong

>very first exercise in Drawing on the right side of the brain involves a mirror
Well, that didn't last long.

>>6207885
Cool, but i cant understand nothing from half-down

Little a bit of freehand perspective, I don't know, something looks like off.

>>6208194
A few things you could keep in mind.

Naturally occurring rocks tend to be smoother and rounder and have less sharp edges because hundreds of years of erosion slowly smooths them, this is especially true at places that has water like rivers or heavy rain or ice heavy winds.

Rocks usually have sharp edges if they broke recently and erosion didn't have time to affect them, or if humans have shaped them. Yours looks very much like an artificial construct because the pieces seem hand carved into specific shapes yet the pieces are randomly arranged which goes against this idea. Also they are rarely uniform in color unless humans pick/mine them specifically. Naturally occurring rocks come in all manners of colors, patterns and imperfections so do no be afraid to mix the color up a bit up

Grass doesn't really go on rocks unless there is a soil layer on them but moss does grow on. Natural rocks have fractures on them and dirt, LOTS of dirt.

>>6208342
do keys to drawing instead

>>6208194
>>6208353
damn he got a glow up

Drew something from nothing but imagination. He's supposed to be reclining or whatever.

Avoided drawing the eyes because I couldn't get it done using only imagination, but should I have drawn it still despite it very likely to come out very wrong?

>>6208388
That's not how the neck looks when, also it looks like he has no shoulders or arms. Drawing from imagination is pointless if you don't correct your mistakes with a reference after.
Draw, look at reference, correct mistakes, re draw with newly acquired knowledge

>>6207960
I love this

force drawing gestures

>>6208353
Ohh nice, thank you for the redline too.

Today I "just drew". Five hours of actual pencil on paper. Felt like a lot, which means I usually don't draw a lot, but it always feels like a lot. Also, it turns out I am rather slow. I mean, at drawing. But also in the head.

>>6208446
>Today I "just drew"
Ngmi

This one didn't turn out so well, but then I kept drawing and others turned out better

>>6208451
I can't really seem to make exact copies, but I figure that's fine as long as the final result looks sensible

My 6 month of csp expired. Should I buy an annual subscription or just go back to Krita?

>>6208453
just steal photoshop

>>6208453
Wait, csp's a subscription? I thought it was a one-time purchase.

>>6208461
oh I'm retarded didn't know they had a one time purchase option

>>6208467
lol
My trial expired earlier this month too, I'm back to Krita for the time being since they apparently usually has a sale every early September

>>6206941
I drew a round spaceship today

>>6208476
seeding the galaxy

>>6208376
Looks like this guy.

>>6208451
>>6208452
>>6208446
Beg status: trapped.

>>6208467
>>6208461
Fuck never mind. The one time purchase is only for desktops, I use an android tablet. I'm not paying for this shit yearly

I don't know how to finish things idk

>>6208493
looks really great!

>>6208493
Bro i dont know what to tell you, EVERYTHING is wrong with your drawing
Like bro at this point just change hobbies, you will never develop anything good if this is how you draw now
Im assuming you are still at the first weeks/months and thats why im telling you to quit, like really honestly theres no hope if thats how your draw, like really just give up, no hope at all
Shit anatomy, shit shade, shit texture, shit lighting, shit linework, shit proportions... bro, really...

>>6208487
>>6208503
Crab status: midbeg

>>6208503
what's the point of 'trolling' if you aren't going to try even a little bit? are you really THAT desperate for attention? well here's a (You), but really - just kys already, there's no happines for you in this world and it won't get better.

>>6207863
Trying out things. how long have these challenges been going on for? makes me feel like drawing, I like it

Which one is better?

I must be studying and drawing anime girl but i draw this stupid shit again

Tell me your feedback. More inc.

J2jwwm

>>6208586
For starters the bread has a black shadow and the fruit purple shadow

>>6208592
>>6208592
>>6208593
your edges are too hard all around. Soften the edges that are touching shadow.

Rate my art fags

>>6208579
The one on the right

>>6208579
Left certainly, it looks more natural

>>6208578
Not long a few threads, looking good there.
>>6208493
Looks good but post reference if used,
Just try and render hair, you're not going to be magically be able to do it.
Maybe use a custom brush to make it more fun?

>>6208579
the one on the left
>>6207863
my thing

>>6208332
Which vids?

>>6208690
>>6208641

>>6208647
>Just try and render hair
thanks.
idk if Anons here have any good resources on that.
Most of the stuff there I got from Scott Robertson but I didn't see a section where he does hairy stuff.
Skin is smooth enough to utilize his teachings.

>>6208711
Is he shitting on painters and saying it's easy, or is he saying you need a masterful understanding of drawing before you can paint? This has always confused me.

>>6208711
based ingres

>>6208368
That's also kicking my ass. Or hand, I should say. I try to copy what positioning he does show and it hurts.

>>6208717
the second, that drawing is the base of art and painting is just like a cherry on top
for centuries art schools including the most prestigious didnt really teach you to paint, you just spent years learning to draw and had to find a mentor or join an atelier as apprentice if you didnt want to self teach painting

>>6208726
> I try to copy what positioning he does show and it hurts.
bro wtf
just follow his advice of spending more time looking at your subject than at your paper
>look at your subject
>measure
>put a line or two down on your paper
>repeat

>>6208729
That doesn't tell me how I'm supposed to physically hold the pencil though.

>>6208727
That makes sense. I always hated high school art classes how they'd just have you randomly paint for an assignment. I never knew how to do that shit.

>>6208735
however you're comfortable, don't listen to these motherfuckers telling you that you HAVE to use an overhand grip.
Go watch jeff watts draw he switches it up constantly and guess what you can still use your shoulder and elbow to draw if you hold your pencil the same way you would if you were writing.

>>6208742
I'll be honest, my wrist felt sore when I was handwriting the other day, having not done it in years.

>>6207863
Messing around with some new brushes, made it look kinda muddy. Need more practice before I get a hang of it. Thanks for the the ref thread-anon

>>6208764
your paintings look amazing

>>6207863
My poor attempt at one of the fish in the second reference pic.

>>6208828
I should have cropped this

how can i make this look better? really lost after being told my art is soulless. dont know what to do to fix it :S (they are purposefully weirdly proportioned) (also this is just the linework)

>>6208764
How many years have you been drawing

>>6208833
it's "soulless" because it's stiff not just the poses but the linework as well it's all too samey

>>6208836
could be due to my autism but I hate when my linework looks loose. Should i loosen up and try different brushes maybe?

>>6208833
If we'll ignore their designs made by children the first think you can do is to implement dynamic 3d posses which imo impossible at your level of skill

>>6205894
That is really cute, anon, keep it up.

>>6208843
>If we'll ignore their designs made by children
damn are they that bad

>>6207863
I don't know if seeing others work is demoralizing or motivating its like being jealous and inspired at the same time.
Im talking to >>6208578 you asshole amazing work

AAAAAAAAAA I NEED TO COOM

>>6208881
No you don't.

>>6207863
Hello, I am trying to figure out how to draw this section in a pose like this (naked, female, well toned/fit)
I can't find any reference, does anyone have any reference or knows how you could draw it?

>>6208907
I just did.
Now I'm going to draw.

what's wrong with her arms
and the rest of her for that matter

>>6208921
one of them is more skinny than the other..

>>6208921
there's no bend in the arms
the lengths aren't matching
the girth of each arm relative to perspective

>>6208925
>there's no bend in the arms
doesnt need to be
>the lengths aren't matching
theyre fine
>the girth of each arm relative to perspective
even ignoring perspective the right arm is just way girthier

Youre giving him shitty advice desu

>>6208934
no he's not, your drawing sucks and the proportions are terrible.

>>6208936
im not the drawing author though, the proportions arent bad, do you even know what character they're drawing? its the meme nintendoshit everyone is spamming for the last 24 hours

>>6208942
>im not him! i just instantly responded to an unrelated critique the defend him without actually offering any advice on my own!
and yes i know what splatoon is and that looks nothing like an inkling.

>>6208948
i am not this guy >>6208934 i just want to learn how to draw better. i think the advice was excellent and i am fixing the original right now
if you have more feedback on proportions or on how to make her look more like an inkling i would love to hear it please

>>6208948
>i just instantly responded to an unrelated critique the defend him without actually offering any advice on my own!
im >>6208923 though

>>6208948
>looks nothing like an inkling
to be fair, he was drawing frye

>>6208957
dear god that's disgusting.
what the fuck is wrong with nintendo

>>6208958
>frye
I think it looks cute, it's just not that fuckeable. I think nintendo is finally mastering the art of doing cute things that perverts don't want to stick their dick in and save their franchises from being just porn bait.

I mean, I feel like the game would floop if the squidkids weren't so hot because outside the cool aesthetic the game hand't change much since the first one. Is basically the same game with few new additions that probably could have been an update or DLC.

>>6208965
They already mastered it, nobody wanted to fuck a squid.
Nobody wants to fuck the animal crossing animals.
Nobody wants to fuck pikachu

These are just hideous.

>>6208969
>nobody
y-yeah

>>6208969
>nobody wanted to fuck
yep. no one at all wants to fuck the animal crossing animals.

>>6208969
>Nobody wanted to fuck a squid
>Nobody wants to fuck the animal crossing animals
>Nobody wants to fuck pikachu
anon...

>>6208969
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, But I just want you to know If I saw a pikachu in the wild, it would die, it wound't be pretty, it would take a long time and I it is exactly what you think it is.

Being less creepy, the fundamental problem with those things is that the japanese influence we had past 15 years or so kinda crossed the wires on the brains of a lot of people were anything with big eyes and kinda cute is also fuckable. That's bad for Nitendo that is trying to create a clean and safe brand while having to deal with google results about Bowser cock and balls or simply transforming the character in a tranny sex icon. Basically, if you want to do something cute now a days that is also safe and not full of r34 the old "cute" we know and like is out and they have to do more weird and experimental designs, so Frye is kinda like that, they doing weird shit that still is cute in a different way to what we are used to.

can anyone tell me why the she looks a little off? thanks

>>6208323
>>6208326

>>6208977
this guy said he wants to rape pikachu

>>6209007
it appears you didn't finish it.

>>6209007
Left breast clipping into arm
Left leg not in perspective, did you even use perspective lines?

>>6208965
>the art of doing cute things that perverts don't want to stick their dick in
i think they suck at it
Yeah nobody wants to fuck frye but that's because its just ugly
pic rel is how you're supposed to do it

>>6209007
1.rotate your pictures
2.shitty lines

>>6209022
>implying

can someone who is more advanced than me tell me how I'm fucking up this time, I have the freehand drawing layered over the reference on the left

>>6209027
what are you even trying to accomplish

>>6209030
I'm doing Angel Ganev's portrait drawing method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocB0u7k63t4&ab_channel=AngelGanev
I'm just trying to make my lay ins and construction better but drawing the box and sphere while also keeping the proportions right is hard as fuck

>>6209022
Have you seen asterix females? Btw, That people don't want to fuck asterix I get (mallet) but obelix is just on the range of a lot of fatfuckers with this hair and all.

>>6209055
well it looks like it's just impossible to draw cute characters that arent fuckable because "cute" is just an inherently attractive trait

>>6207885
precious

>>6209037
Like these have come out so much better yet I feel like I'm not fully grasping something I can't put my finger on, some help would be greatly appreciated

recommend me a table easel to prop my sketchbook and/or a piece of paper on. needs to be small enough to sit on my desk and not block the screen.

>>6207863
here's a good exercise https://streamable.com/5abbeq

>>6208910
Stonehouse’s anatomy book

Alright, I've finally mastered symmetry. Took me two days to find a technique. I've asked many times for a simple technique but nobody told me anything other than a few anons who suggested exercises, in that sense Quora has been much more helpful.
I would like to know how I can improve my next portrait though? For example, does anyone have a sketch of a front view mouth/eyes/nose using similar pencils that I do? I would like to make it look nicer.

>>6209027
There's something I've been curious about: why do you draw the cheekline so severely? It would make sense if you were drawing someone with a gaunt face and hollow cheeks, but it doesn't work with normal faces. Is this some quirk of whatever drawing method you're using? Also, the center line you've drawn is off. I would use a different method. This one doesn't seem to be yielding the results you want.

>>6209027
That center line fucked you up.

>>6209115
it's extremely symbol drawn. Work on that first before worrying about anything else

>>6209131
How come every time I ask what the definition of symbol drawing means I get ignored? All I'm doing is following what Huston told me. He never mentioned anything about symbol drawing. I'm gonna need a definition.

>>6209134
Rule 1 of learning art: no one will tell you anything even when they should. Art schools don't teach.

>>6209135
Garbage.

>>6209128
>Is this some quirk of whatever drawing method you're using?
Yeah, I understand the contours of the cheekbone and jaw but I figured this method was simply geared towards defining the planes of the face like he does in pic related.
You and the other anon make a good point about the center line though, that will have to be something I need to work on more.
> I would use a different method. This one doesn't seem to be yielding the results you want.
Do you have any recommendations? So far this method is the closest I've gotten to producing good heads.

>>6209134
maybe youre just retarded.

>>6209143
Post your work, loser. You don't even know the meaning of the words you're throwing around. Worse than useless.

>>6209144
if its been explained to you a hundred times and you dont understand, youre just stupid.

>>6209027
It's because you don't even understand what you are supposed to be doing. (fuck loomis btw)
The main part of the skull is not a sphere with a random ellipse place on the side NO, it's a sphere sliced on BOTH sides (pic related).
Second, the brow bridge line is drawn by following the middle of the sphere, not an arbitrary point from the ellipse you drew on the side of the sphere. Start by drawing a sphere with both sides sliced, then move to the rest.

>>6209152
No, it hasn't. I asked three times in the past two days and nobody answered. I'm gonna need a definition. Everyone has a different understanding of symbol drawing, so I'm going to need your definition of it.

>>6209134
When you just draw the contours instead of actually trying to render 3d from with 2d lines. There you go. You're not drawing what an eye really is (a sphere with 2 lids of flesh covering it), you're drawing a shape of what you think an eye looks like. This is symbol drawing. You should study 3d form before going to portraits, otherwise they're gonna look flat and shitty. Try drawabox, it's free. Gonna have you do some boring shit but will absolutely teach you the basics.

>>6209160
>drawabox
For the love of god, symbol anon don't listen to this man

>>6209154
>The main part of the skull is not a sphere with a random ellipse place on the side NO, it's a sphere sliced on BOTH sides (pic related).
I'm well aware of this
>Second, the brow bridge line is drawn by following the middle of the sphere, not an arbitrary point from the ellipse you drew on the side of the sphere. Start by drawing a sphere with both sides sliced, then move to the rest.
It's not an "arbitrary point", first of all the brow line IS in the center of the sphere and the line connecting the brow to the top of the ear is meant to define the side plane of the head. If this is supposed to be advice you sound like you know less than I do.

>>6209027
The "ball" of the head should encompass the entire mass of the head beneath the hair. The circles to the sides (both sides, not just one) are the flatter parts in the side of the head. They're actual 3d modeled parts of the head, not just circles drawn on top. They're how your head is shaped, like a funnel

>>6209156
everyone might define it in different words but it means the same thing. google it until you find a way that its explained that you understand.
for me its like this: think of any object, like and airplane, in your head, try and draw it. now look at a real airplane in real life and you will see that there are little details that you dont have in your imagination and things are different shapes that you thought, etc. its just a feature of the human brain to simplify knowledge.
and youll problem complain that you dont get it and your drawings are fine stil.

>>6209163
Do listen, symbolman. You WILL come out of it knowing how to draw in 3d unless you're absolutely retarded. DOB is not perfect, but I'll never understand why you faggots hate it so much aside from being too lazy to draw 6 million boxes

taking a break from my art books and just drawing whatever i find on pinterest

>>6209160
>you're drawing a shape of what you think an eye looks like
That's objectively false. I'm drawing off a reference, and upon finding that it's difficult to draw the exact eye shape of the reference while drawing symmetrically, I found that turning them into general symbols while maintaining the flow of the original reference allowed me for better symmetry.
This is a conclusion I reached after following countless tutorials on frontal view portraits, which all use the same method.
Furthermore, I do draw the ball of the eye during construction. This "wrapping" thing you're talking about, I'm gonna need a video about it.
Overall this "symbol drawing" thing does not appear to be a priority. As long as I get the broad shape of the eye, I'm satisfied for now. And considering Huston hasn't said anything about eye wrapping yet I'm not doing anything wrong.
I'm not going to jump from tutorial to tutorial. Let me finish Huston first. Everyone recommends DAB or KtD, why is that? They don't seem to teach eye wrapping techniques. Can I get a video on eye wrapping if you have the time?

>>6209172
Abstract definitions don't help me that much, it would help if you specified which feature is symbol drawing and show me an example of what is not. Because all template heads appear to use "symbols" for eyes, which makes sense considering they aren't off a reference. According to your own definition any template head that doesn't use a reference will have to resort to symbol drawing.

>>6209139
Maybe it's not so much the method as it is how you're employing it, then. It seems as if you're throwing down lines in hopes that they'll match up with your reference. Maybe sometimes they do; maybe more often, they don't. Like, you're so preoccupied with planes and geometries that you're not really seeing the actual structure of your subject's face. The most important thing you can do is to let your subject dictate where to put down your lines.

>>6209164
>I'm well aware of this
Well, you aren't applying it then
>>6209164
> first of all the brow line IS in the center of the sphere
No it is not, that's why your drawing is wrong on a fundamental level

>>6209180
>drawing based off videos
NGMI

>>6209196
What? Videos are great. I have books but found videos are much easier to absorb.

>>6208828
Another attempt.
Should I just give up?

>>6209180
>Everyone recommends DAB or KtD, why is that? They don't seem to teach eye wrapping techniques.
No, but it will help you understand 3d shapes which is basically what drawing is about.

>>6209180
youre kind of right because we dont draw every tiny detail of everything and end up simplyfing it in ways for something like a complex machine but good figure artists learn anatomy to understand the little details.
if you draw enough from reference and learn it all inside and out you will be able to remember the details in your imagination drawings.
but this is what im talking about, its like you dont want to understand, you think everyone is wrong and making up this concept of symbol drawing. if youre esdeath faggot youve done this a million times.

>>6209199
I like it. Now get an inking brush and ink the drawing. Bad habit to leave your lines all sketchy

>>6209183
>Like, you're so preoccupied with planes and geometries that you're not really seeing the actual structure of your subject's face. The most important thing you can do is to let your subject dictate where to put down your lines.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, I have a tendency to over-complicate things. Is there anything you recommend I do to catch myself or is it just a case of having to really focus on observation over everything else?

>>6209202
Oh that's actually a helpful image. Now I know what wrapping is without wasting 100 hours on drawing boxes.

>>6209203
Not really, every time someone says symbol drawing they are either trolling or have different definitions. One person said symbol drawing is when you flip the image and it looks wrong before. That's why I make sure to ask each person what they mean by symbol drawing.
But now that I know what eye wrapping is thanks to >>6209202, I think I can overcome symbol drawing without wasting time on KtD or DAB.

>>6209154
>>6209166
This, time to grind boxes then spheres

Did this in 2 sessions during a boring class

>>6209180
>"I found that turning them into general symbols[...]"
Yes, exactly. You're drawing 2d shapes instead of 3d form. This is what symbol drawing is, and this is what I defined. You just denied it but then re-stated it. I'm not saying that you're not drawing from reference, I'm saying that you're drawing the shape of what you think the eye is supposed to look like rather than what 3d simple forms eyes are actually supposed to be, and these simple forms, which construct any and every 3d thing in life, are exactly what you need to learn. I don't know who this Huston you're talking about is, but either he's a total jackass at teaching or he's teaching you techniques that you're supposed to learn after the very basics (probably this), which you don't have. Every teacher worth their salt teaches you the basics of construction before jumping into detail, which is what you're doing. Not only DAB, but Proko, Loomis, Peter Han, Michael Hampton, all of them recommend the appropriate order.

I'm gonna ask you: if you were to draw this face but viewed from above and with no reference, how would you do it? there's no way anyone could do it just by copying the shapes on the picture. As a student you SHOULD try different tutorials until you find one that actually is suited to whatever it is you need at that point. As for the eyelid thing, it's just the construction of the eye. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo and then, if you want, you can try Proko's portrait course. But it will be near impossible without the basics.

>>6209199
Never give up, fish anon. Your fish is hella cool already, and I'm sure you'll make even doper fishes in the future.

>>6209209
>he thinks "wrapping" is the name of an actual technique

>>6209250
It’s spelled rapping and it is a technique
Check out my flow my style’s on fleek
You nodraws and begs can try and fake it
But yall are wack and never gonna make it

*mic drop

GOD DAMMIT I CAN'T EVEN DRAW CIRCLES PROPERLY ANYMORE

>>6209255
Tupachelangelo

>>6209246
I find frontal faces to be fairly flat, in terms of drawing . Sure, I will take your advice and make sure I study 3D form after this Huston course, but just like how i managed to make this profile face look 3D I am confident that I will be able to make 3D-looking frontal faces without suffering through Drawabox if I practice enough and use the correct techniques.
Maybe 3D form will be more important when I do tilted faces, but that's actually my specialty. Throughout February I spent my time ONLY drawing tilted faces, which is why I was able to satisfyingly draw this.
I will take your advice though and try out KtD/DaB after I finish this Huston course. One at a time, though.

>>6208578
About 8-9 threads now.
Despite one sperg desperately trying to kill it, the challenges have survived.

>>6209273
I appreciate that and wish you luck on your journey. If you ever feel like dropping drawabox, make sure to only drop it after you've at least started the animals lesson. You don't actually need to draw the 250 boxes, you can draw like 50 and call it a day. Just make sure you try every combination of perspective and shape.

>>6209134
Why are you even doing Huston before learning how to not symbol draw? Do your fundies.

>>6209112
Was this page supposed to help me? Idk I can find images of leg muscles pretty easily so I dont get it...

>>6209160
you were right until drawabox. You are definitely a retard.

Refer to: >>6206788

>>6209284
DWRSB teaches you to draw realistic faces as a beginner. It's perfectly within reason for me to start with Huston. I understand eye wrapping now and nobody complained about my nose. All I have to tackle now is the mouth and I'm set and happy. Don't need your crabbing.

>>6209296
>It's perfectly within reason for me to start with Huston.
Except it isn't, because you're still symbol drawing.

>>6209301
I haven't shown you my post-symbol drawing portrait yet, so yeah thanks for no input.

>>6209134
The human brain likes to simplify and categorize what it sees, so when you try to draw something you draw the simplified lines generated by your brain rather than the ones that are actually in front of you. It's called symbol drawing because you're drawing a symbol for what you see rather than representing it accurately.
The way to stop symbol drawing is to continuously compare your work to your reference and train yourself to see things as they are rather than as your brain interprets them.
I hope this helps, I'm not great at explaining things.

Eldritch Joe Biden fanart

>>6209313
Thanks anon. Again my point is proven, everyone defines symbol drawing differently. Your definition is my favorite though and I will try my best to look at the reference continuously and make sure my next drawing looks great. Thanks.

>>6209205
I guess I would just get into the habit of pausing at regular intervals to make sure that things line up in relation to everything else.

>>6208910
pretty difficult angle, idk how I'd do it, but prob something like this

>>6208910
Also, I just want to add that I default to Hogarth whenever I draw difficult foreshortening

>>6209346
interesting, thank you very much

>>6207981
stop posting every single drawing you make and asking if you made progress and draw more, way more.
after doing 25 gesture practices, you may ask if you improved or not.

>>6207981
more esdeath kino

>>6209319
based

>>6209388
head way too big on most of these. they look like kids

>>6209397
You're right, I generally have a problem with making my heads too big.

>>6209134
>How come every time I ask what the definition of symbol drawing means I get ignored?
You literally don't get ignored, moron. Despite the fact that anyone who comes to this thread for more than about a week knows that giving you advice is a complete waste of time, you have been told what it means countless times, often with pictures, videos and excerpts from widely-regarded textbooks to demonstrate what it means, and every single time, YOU ignore the answer. God damn, you're such a fucking faggot.

>>6208376
This nostalgia hit me hard.

Phoneposting so I can save this on my desktop

>>6208822
Thanks anon! I can’t loomis to save my life and my faces are bad. I have gotten ok at color and eyeballing measurements though.

>>6208834
I have always been drawing on and off ever since I was a child. Decided recently to draw a few hours each day for practice though. I’ll stick around this thread for the next year or so

you guys are too good
am I really the only beg here

Is this okay gesture practice?

currently brainfucked but i make it a point to do something before i sleep, even if it has to be quick/simple

>>6209515
>grid

>Spent ~8 hours on this across 3 days
It wasn't supposed to end like this...

older but I thought it’d be a loss to not post
>basic/repeat poses for reviewing gesture/figure (I WILL DRAW THE HANDS NEXT TIME)
>doodles (when i get my shit together i might make a rhythm gaem)

>>6209537
Keep drawing bro. First steps are the hardest.
Just keep drawing every fucking day instead if playing shit games or arguing about irrelevant shit on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>6209536
>the kind of retard who focuses on the finger instead of what it points to

>>6208278
>>6208280
yes. trust me.

t asexual expert on fapping

>>6209537
>>Spent ~8 hours on this across 3 days
What a fucking idiot. Way to miss the point completely you dumbass.

If I draw while drunk (now), will I lose any potential gains?

>>6207863
That's a pro fish, r-right?

>>6209515
Yeah looks good to me, you're tyrying to understand the shapes and forms eventually you'll develop your own little short hand symbols to indicate things before fleshing them out
Like for the back of the head I draw a square

>>6209579
>If I draw while drunk (now), will I lose any potential gains?
Nopeyou might even do better, depending on how drunk you are.
Since it limits inhibitions.
Also I think OP's is a picture bro

>>6209579
It's okay when I'm a little drunk. But I can't draw for shit when I'm wasted.

>>6209582
>>6209585
Just kinda buzzed/tipsy so hopefully we're chillin, thx
>Picture
Ah shit my eyes lmao maybe I'm fucked; oh well I'll draw anyways and see how it goes

>>6209547
I like your art, but like you said, draw your hands you lazy bum.

>>6209547
>I WILL DRAW THE HANDS NEXT TIME
the next time you post you better have some fantastic hands on those gay little big headed characters

sketching

Does this properly read as being in perspective/foreshortened?

>>6209589
Ouch oof my motor skills bone
Why did I decide to try and learn a face drawing method? Also I think the guy is almost okay but what's wrong with the woman? Is her face too short? Also yeah my eyes are kinda super fucked on both...

I keep fucking up as of lately and I don't know what to do or how to fix it.

>>6209642
I'm only capable of making ape-people???

>>6209642
>>6209659
Oops forgot to attach image

I took a long break from art and stagnated a lot. Not that I was ever good at it, but before I feel as if I was more imaginative as opposed to now when I feel as if I'm directionless.

>>6209642
>>6209660
You're symbol drawing hard, my dude. Start with something simpler, heads are one of the most hard parts of the human body.

>>6209663
Are you an AI? What is your name, T 800?

>>6209664
you can't get better at something without practicing it

>>6209666
Better study beforehand.

>>6209665
I wish I were. At least the Ai is getting better nowadays, unlike I.

>>6209664
Any suggestions for simpler things?
>>6209666
What's a good way to practice heads, Satan?

>>6209669
>copy heads from artists you like
or
>copy real heads

>>6209669
Boxes, cylinders, simple objects. In perspective aye.

>>6209672
>>6209673
Thx will work on both
>Real heads
Based real head chad will do

>>6209669
Don't copy shit blindly. It will get you nowhere. For heads I'd recommend studying Hampton and Huston.

>>6209680
Gotcha, I'll check em out, thx

does the mettalic shading on this look realistic?

>>6209737
Nope. Pick up "How to Render" by Scott Robertson. But there are bigger problems.

>>6209663
what am I even looking at
>>6209743
his biggest problem is drawing gay vtuber shit

critique pls

>>6209747
looks like it was made by some sort of artificial intelligence

>>6209747
What process do you use? Looks amazing. I want to be able to paint like that.

>>6209747
Ai generated

>>6209749
>>6209757
>some sort of artificial intelligence
it is, but overpainted as titled

>>6209747
Trully soulles/10

>>6209779
>soul
this "thing" didn't exist

>>6209782
Maybe not inside you.

>>6209779
It's about as soulless as the permabeg anime drivel that /beg/ exists to contain.

>>6209744
>what am I even looking at
Monsters I now draw after stagnation. I just like drawing weird monsters.

I'm cooming.

>read a post on twitter about how drawing every drawing in the same 3/4 pose is boring
>look at my drawings
>all 3/4 pose
>look at all my saved images and references
>all 3/4
>look at top pixiv
>all 3/4
aaaaaaaaaaaa

>>6209663
>>6209790
Hey HAL, nice art. Do you think you could open the pod bay doors?

>>6209641
please?

>>6209641
It looks like you attempted to but failed miserably.
The hips don't even match the same perspective as the chest, much less how you handled foreshortening.

>>6209894
>Do you think you could open the pod bay doors?
Does not compute.

>>6209892
It's the standard for two reasons:
>it's the easiest to draw because you don't need perfect symmetry to make it look passable to normies, but we still tend to think of humans head-on making side views difficult for most people
>it's (arguably) the most visually-interesting angle for a figure in a neutral pose, and non-neutral poses are harder to draw
It's also standard for character concept art, for what it's worth, because it shows the largest amount of visual information about things like outfits and facial features in a single shot.

>>6209894
Seriously, though. Does my art really looks as if it was made by an Ai?

>>6209924
I'm mostly kidding with you. It looks a bit abstract, but that's only because the form feels overly "suggested" and melty. You're not doing awful, just keep practicing until you get out of that slump - it is literally always temporary.

>>6209665
probably A100/V100

new
>>6210040
>>6210040
>>6210040

>>6209779
what mean "soulles"
anyway it seems to me that this is a good exercise to refine such a picture>>6209766
to the level of such>>6209747

you need to understand what is superfluous and what is missing, it seems to me that it is better than ordinary copying exercise, here you need to work much more with your brains to get readable figures and faces and even some kind of "plot"

>>6209555
I've been spending way less time playing vidya and f5'ing this godforsaken website since I began forcing myself to spend a couple hours every day learning to draw and program. Even after I'm done with those activities, I'm just less interested in wasting my time on irrelevant bullshit. It's like my brain is healing.

>>6209900
>>6209902
A good way to check your foreshortening and study foreshortening (and the way a lot of people learn it, whether conscious of the method or not) is to draw the figure in a standard xy plane and compare the perspective. You should also be able to isolate each form and rotate and draw them in the consistent perspective. You’ll see how to sell the foreshortening with form overlaps and perspective. Consistency in perspective is important. When it’s not consistent, it’s like taking several photos of different focal lengths and stitching them together.

As someone more attuned to sculpting, how can I improve my drawing skills? I feel like I'm going about it the entirely wrong way.

>>6209009
Where do you get the books on the left and bottom center?

My god, my line control is awful.