/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Today's challenge:

>>6205242
Last thread is still on page two, you don't need to create a new one until it's about to fall off the baord you double nigger.

first for wgmi

Posted on the dad thread, but today's workload

>>6205252
>baord
Learn grammarly you retarded ESL

>>6205245
genderbent big boobs here's a preliminary sketch

>>6205245
>half the image is fur
not very kind to /beg/

>>6205265
Focus on the face, make the fur a suggestion of form rather than individual strands.

I buy all the books I use because I am not a person of sub-saharan descent.

I pirate all my books.

>>6205287
Nigger

Kill every trannime poster

>>6205287
proud white nigger reporting in

I steal pens from work.

>>6205287
based

what do you think of my girl? i spent a while on it

>>6204107
heehee I did another spaceship today
I wasn't happy with the first one, too cartoony. So I experimented with some thinner lines, a different brush, and opacity until I got something I'm happy with.

>>6205322
That's a man

>>6205322
Lol she looks like a giant penis

If you don't find a way to work in bare feet into every drawing you're ngmi

>>6205322

>>6205242
some doodles.

>>6205322
Nice work, anon. Keep it up and you're gonna make it. Though I would suggest you spend more time on studying anatomy, gestures and values rather than coloring. But as long as you're having fun, it's all good.

>>6205334
All the witches in my fantasy setting wear specialised footwear but I always draw them barefoot because drawing feet is too fun and drawing shoes sucks.

>>6205097
About 3 years

>>6205334
feet are the hands of the legs
you always hide them

>>6205395
Phew. You could be a guy like me, on and off for way longer. I don't know how to break out.

>>6205399
you could try drawing along with the tutorials after watching them once just so you get more drawing in

>>6204559
never ever redline again

>>6205399
I think I could be decent at drawing if I put in the time, just like everyone else, so it's not that I don't believe in my ability to learn. It's that rarely feel like actually drawing, so I doubt my interest in drawing, so that becomes an addtional barrier to overcome. I mean, if I wanted to learn how to draw, I would actually draw, right? Preparing myself to work hard for something that could take years is difficult when I'm not sure if I'm just deluding myself into believing it's something I want.

Why arent you writing in the title anymore? Its becoming harder to find the thread now

>>6205425
to spite you specifically

>>6205425
It's a secret cool club now and you aren't invited

>>6205242
Can I draw my perspective guides using rulers or is that considered cheating?

>>6205437
are you retarded Anon?
NO ROOLS
JUST TOOLS

>>6205437
if you need a straight line use a ruler.

>>6205437
>spend $750 on synthetic humans instead of learning 3d

i guess some people have that luxury

>>6205446
>spending money on pen and paper to draw rather than learning to construct hyper realistic pen and paper in thought form so you can draw within your own mind
guess some people have that luxury...

>>6205450
>going to a buddhist temple to learn to project your tulpas instead of just pretending you're an artist when someone asks
some people have that luxury...

>>6205453
>existing in a form capable of the mental capacity to pretend
luxury...

>>6205245
lol you got me here, first time drawing lion and its as shit as it can get
Though i can recognise some of the flaws here and how to prevent them in the next drawings, i think thats the point

>>6205450
>he isn't telekinesispilled
ngmi

>>6205462
>Though i can recognise some of the flaws here and how to prevent them in the next drawings
gonna make it

unironically bargue plates have been the most fun ive had drawing yet.

>>6205242
hard round brush and canvas texture brush speed paint. The time was limited to 30 min. I started with blocking out the head then bust and then added value but my execution method often doesn't work out. Am i out of order? Any pointers, thoughts or critique? Any suggestions on artists to study?

>>6205488
Face is very off.

>>6205491
in what way, how can i make it better?

best way to construct the body?

alright what do you think

>>6205524
built for hwd

Those last two are taking ages to finish. That's why I don't like this sort of style.

>>6205524
Right arm looks dislocated. Maybe retink the pose. Need to do more fabric and drapery studies. Goodmon you for trying something different, though.

>>6205499
I use an oval for the ribcage and a BIG sphere for the pelvis

>>6205242
I plan to get to the lion soon but I'm working on another spider. How should I go about details this time?

>>6205544
reference

>>6205544
Tbh I think your spider is way off from the reference. Same thing happened to me with the last threads spider

>>6205568
Yeah, I notice it too. Hopefully I can fix it

what's the best brush to get away with a "not so great" lineart? I love the "sketchy" style but not too messy of course
I'm asking because I'm working a lot on my fundies and I have improved a lot, I know the basics of perspective, anatomy, and construction but I'm never happy with my lineart, I only use the standard G-pen
my sketchbook looks better than anything I do on CSP
pic related (not my work)

>>6205544
that spider got some thicc ass

>>6205581
mechanical pencil in CSP

trying to make thumbnail sketches to develop my sense of composition

>>6205627
I made this before I left on my last big trip, but never got around to turning it into an actual piece. Thumbnailing is fun but I don't really do it enough.

I have returned

>>6205655

>>6205617
ok I'll try that I guess, thanks

Keys to drawing finished! Weeeeeeeee. Good book, i might actually go and order it even if it will take 2 months to deliver it here and costs more than new xp-pen tablet so i can be like this >>6205282 anon (btw godlike pic if you made it). Not to actually read it again but because dodson deserves than 10 bucks or whatever pitiful cut the publisher gives him.

>>6205655
welcome back, do you finally have a blog?
>>6205532
Saved for later study
>>6205437
lmao what is this

Fuck you stupid fuckers im tired of this shit board I will draw without you it’s not like you ever had anything useful to say anyway asssholes

>>6205706
pyw

>>6205706
Who hurt you?

>>6205719
I don’t need to PYW just trust me it’s the best ever.

>>6205706
>>6205723
Which one of your art pieces was ignored?

>>6205721
You did you stupid nigger

>>6205727
a- anon, I'm sorry.
Hope you have a good day!

>>6205727

Fuck you im not even drawing today go Fock yourselves

Working on making my sketches cleaner and a lot of it comes down to just drawing more slowly, but besides the lips is there any glaring issues? I say that because this is literally day 1 of me working on lips so I have a ways to go.

>>6205524
Solid as fuck forms, the way you draw the fabric also makes the tits look like they have actual weight and pull which a LOT of artists neglect to draw.

>>6205756
kino

>>6205741
So it WAS because your artwork was ignored >>6204824
I'm going to be brutally honest with you. Your drawings have no appeal. It looks like an amalgamation of a beginners attempt at Disney drawings, it's like the opposite side of the same coin of /beg/s who draw le "anime" but without knowing any fundamentals. There's nothing wrong with trying to emulate Disney's style, but if you actually want to see some improvement you need to drop the cartoon aesthetic and start learning actual human anatomy and proportions. Pick up literally any figure drawing book in the sticky and draw from that, ditch the style until you're at least confident with the human figure. If you can accomplish learning some real fundies, I promise your stylized work will look good.

>Two threads in a row with a fucked up OP

>>6205499
freehand by pure visualisation without using a crutch
duh

>>6205323
haha I did another one

>>6205761
Oh it’s that “to draw anime you must reproduce the Mona Lisa “ meme.

>>6205747
Cleaned it up a bit

>>6205773
It's not a meme. You really need to know what 2+2 is before attempting algebra.

>>6205632
damn can I see some of your completed stuff?

has anyone else been iprb from posting threads despite not being banned?

>>6205781
And “appeal” is a fundamental?

>>6205785
keep drawing your ugly dogshit and getting ignored but don't act like you weren't warned

>>6205785
It's part of it, is it not? As you study the fundamentals you learn what should, at least in theory, be appealing to the eye.
Someone trying to draw anime without fundies will just draw a fridge with 2 round circles for tits and call it a finished work.

>>6205784
range bans are usually given out when someone within your IP range is acting like a complete retard and evading every single ban. It's very random and it usually goes away within a few days from my experience.

>>6205756

>>6205786
I’m sure it’s still better than anything you draw. The problem is your “warning” is so vague that it’s meaningless. “It has no appeal” is completely subjective. You don’t like elves and goblins? And following that up with “go study fundies” means nothing when you started with such a subjective assessment. If I mastered perspective, anatomy, etc. you’d still hate elves and goblins and … why am I trying to argue with you? You’re obviously an idiot.
I’ve been here three years and I’ve never seen any indication that you people aren’t complete imbeciles.

>>6205783
I don't usually draw scenes, just characters.

>>6205776
Pay attention to the eyes. See how the pupil touches the top and bottom of the eye in the photo? The eyebrows could be smaller as well.

>>6205809
wait, how is she keeping the fabric of her dress like tha-
oh

Hampton tells me to draw what I see but I don't even know HOW I'm supposed to draw what I see.

>>6205821
Thanks fren, I kind of threw the pupils in there but eyebrows have always been a bitch for me to draw. I understand the forms but for the life of me I just can't draw it correctly.

>>6205827
draw big outline then fill in the small details

>>6205823
Like what?

>>6205808
>I’m sure it’s still better than anything you draw.
It's not
>The problem is your “warning” is so vague that it’s meaningless.
You were told explicitly what to do.
>“It has no appeal” is completely subjective.
That's why your art consistently gets ignored, right?
>You don’t like elves and goblins?
Not the ones you draw.
>And following that up with “go study fundies” means nothing when you started with such a subjective assessment.
Why.
>If I mastered perspective, anatomy, etc. you’d still hate elves and goblins
I don't hate elves and goblins, I hate your drawings because you don't even have basic perspective, anatomy, etc.
>why am I trying to argue with you?
Because you're embarrassed that you've been called out on your shitty art and you're aware you've made zero progress since you've started posting despite posting your trash near daily.
>You’re obviously an idiot.
uh huh
>I’ve been here three years and I’ve never seen any indication that you people aren’t complete imbeciles.
NGMI, you genuinely look like you started drawing two months ago. This is what happens when you don't listen to advice.

damn
bitches be salty tonite

>>6205808
>If I mastered perspective, anatomy, etc. you’d still hate elves and goblins and … why am I trying to argue with you? You’re obviously an idiot.
I know there's a ton of faggot crabs in these threads but you legitimately just cringe and this is the poorest excuse I've ever heard to not actually improving and STUDYING art

"don't draw with your wrists" doesn't mean "keep your wrists stiff and only move with your shoulders", right?

>>6205841
i think so

>>6205841
"Don't draw with your wrists" should be "don't ONLY draw with your wrists." Most decent art teachers will tell you to be aware of how using different joints modifies your line control and to use every joint of your arm, and most bad art teachers who are nonetheless decent artists will tell you not to draw from the wrist and then very plainly draw with their wrists if you watch them.

>>6205841
That's correct.
To sum it up, basically:
"Use the right amount of your arm and hand for the movements you're doing."
Line work, drawing etc. can all be done with the shoulders and elbow. As you get to more fine detail work you move to more fine motor skills. HOWEVER, they are right in saying you should not be using your wrist to draw. Fingers, elbow, shoulder etc. just lend themselves to it better. If you're drawing by flexing your wrist up and down a lot, that's a habit you should look to get out of.

Otherwise, everything should be relaxed and comfortable. Don't grip too tightly or press to hard. Be chill, the paper isn't your enemy.

>>6205808
Not being mean but you have a severe case of the Dunning Kruger.
Fact: Fundamental of art WILL improve your stylized drawings, this isn't just some subjective statement. Saying otherwise is just pure self-delusion that you seem to cling to in order to endure the hopelessness of your current artwork.
Ask yourself: In the three years that I've been drawing have I seen ANY improvement?
I'm not crabbing you when I say this. Ditch the style and learn the fundamentals. If you don't know what fundies to start with just ask.

Ideally, how long should I spend on uncolored drawings?
Also should I focus on gesture before anatomy or the other way around?

>>6205859
>Ideally, how long should I spend on uncolored drawings?
As long as you need to be satisfied with it.
Compare yourself to others only for the purpose of getting inspired. Don't get caught up in toxic competitiveness.

>Also should I focus on gesture before anatomy or the other way around?
Whatever works for you. I tend to heavily focus on gesture and body language because I aim for expressiveness and visual impact in my pieces, but plenty of artists prefer a more disciplined approach. Anatomy is always vital though, and should always be a high priority to study.

>>6205863
>As long as you need
Gotcha, is there any way to tell that I might be grinding my head on a rock? I'm just kinda worried about continually working on something that I can't improve further

>I aim for expressiveness
That makes sense. I'll check out a bit of both, probably with a focus on anatomy until I'm a bit more comfortable with it. Thanks

>>6205857
Why is the "hill" about the same height as the "mountain" and substantially steeper? Shouldn't it be a "tor"??

A page from minute gesture practice.
I hate how it looks so scribblish.
How do I practice the CSI shit while doing gestures? Should I take longer on each figure? Or something else I'm not thinking.

>>6205871
i have no clue yours looks better than mine

>>6205869
>Gotcha, is there any way to tell that I might be grinding my head on a rock? I'm just kinda worried about continually working on something that I can't improve further
Ah, that's a good point. The enemy of greatness is the desire for perfection, after all.

You'll know. You asking that question means you may have a sense already, that you're getting too caught up in details. If you are worried about this, I recommend doing speed draws as practice. 15 minutes, 10 minutes, 5, 2, 1, and 30 seconds. Nude life drawing sessions are great, they're generally cheap and generally have a set time for each pose. Look up if there's one in your area, they'd usually be hosted weekly out of some local art gallery, community centre, college or whatever.

>>6205878
Torso is ridiculously long

>draw something
>It's not perfect but I'm more or less happy with it
>look at it in the morning
Jesus fucking christ I'm terrible

>>6205883
As long as you know what's wrong with it then you know what you need to improve on, which is a hurdle a lot of artists never seem to jump over
ygmi

>>6205878
monstrous proportions but i think you know that
i think there are ways to exaggerate it but you should probably pull it back
maybe make her torso wider and the arms longer to balance the length

>>6205870
That's literally the point. Someone's personal perception of them being professionally skilled can be as big as someone who is actually a professional, despite them actually being a beginner.

>>6205850
Is it a bad workman thing to say that a small canvas/drawing tablet is limiting my ability to draw with shoulders?

the more I practice the more I realize that no amount of practice is going to make me a better artist. I reached my ceiling in early highschool and that ceiling is only an inch above chris-chan tier

>>6205892
Doublespoken like a politician (but not a very persuasive one). Just call it "mount stupid" like everyone else if it's a mountain itself.

>>6205893
Sure. Limited tools are limiting. You'll basically only be training fine motor skills with a small canvas. Just don't use it as an excuse to avoid pracitcing.

Just practice traditionally on larger canvases/pages. You're building similar skills either way.

>>6205878
Get
A
Hand
Ref

Im probably pre /beg/ but oh well. I didn't like draw a box or fun with a pencil.

>>6205899
don't press so hard

>>6205883
Realizing what sucks is how you improve anon keep it up wagmi

>>6205899
Delete this post now

>>6205899
Draw something new dude. Holy shit.

>>6205895
Why are you arguing about semantics? The graph works fine as an example of what Dunning Kruger effect is.
The vast majority of people have cognitive bias, people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. It's your job as an artist to avoid such bias', otherwise you won't feel like you really need to improve.

>>6205894
repulsive. kill yourself to save society the trouble

>>6205902
Pyw dick head

>>6205903
>7/23/22
He hasn't drawn in almost 3 weeks.

>>6205894
What even is your goal? Have you tried getting off your comfort zone?

>>6205910
honestly, I'm not entirely sure what my goal is. I've always wanted to be able to draw well enough to illustrate a webcomic, but frankly I'll settle for being able to draw well enough that people can't immediately guess my autism diagnosis from a glance

I've tried drawing outside my comfort zone a bit, but I can't even draw IN my comfort zone. I'm already terrified of going nowhere practicing the things I want to be able to draw. Why would I draw bowls of fruit or lions instead

how will you draw what's in your head when you can't draw what's in front of you

>>6205909
gmi

>>6205918
How can I draw what's in front of me when the only thing I look forward to is the end of it all?

>>6205928
draw schitzo drawings
wagmi

>>6205918
i will deform the objects of physical reality and make them conform to my artistic vision

>>6205916
>Why would I draw bowls of fruit or lions instead
Because you're stuck? It'll probably hard to improve when all you do is fail at the same thing over and over.

>>6205875
Thank you very much for the detailed answer. I'll incorporate some timed drawings into my routine and check out what life drawing sessions I can find once I reach a higher level

>>6205882
>>6205889
>>6205898
it is too late...

>>6205655
>>6205657
Nice, glad you're still going on this.

>>6205841
Wait, it doesn't?
I felt like a fucking moron...

Painted my cat

>>6206011
nice cat

Dividing a line into thirds is the hardest thing about drawing. Half? Easy. Fourths? Just dive the half into half again. But thirds takes 10 trys.

>>6206011
Great cat
Would be really cool to see a painting with even more expressive lighting

>>6206016
Just project a square a draw this

>>6206022
>bro its easy just draw a pentagram every time you want to draw a line in thirds.
wow the secrets of davinci revealed.

>>6206026
You can also use a ruler

>>6206031
but thats cheating. LOOK I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO DIVIDE A LINE PERFECTLY IN THIRDS JUST BY LOOKING AT IT ON THE FIRST TRY

First head after finishing Steve Huston's beginner head NMA course. Planning to do 100 heads.

These should get better after I've done 100 of them as long as I keep referencing Loomis and Huston, right?

>>6206038
it will be better in some way but not as good as you want it to be.

>>6206040
That's fine, as long as I'm improving.

Jesus it's fucking horrible innit?

>>6206040
Why is that?

>>6206038
What's the product name and number for that wooden thing you have? I forgot what it's called but I want one that stands as straight as that and which you can put on your desk.

What do you think of this logo I just made?

>>6206045
It's supposed to be a centurion cap(yes, I know it's not an accurate centurion cap, but I figured this shape is more recognizable) placed over a bulb.

It's supposed to be a Machine Learning company names "ML Centurion".

What do you think? :-X

>>6206042
im making a sensible guess of what his goals are, wanting to capture the likeness of a face in a drawing. no artist got there in 100 drawings. it will take more than 100 drawings to get there, a lot more, but each drawing is a lesson if you work to improve so after 100 im sure he will have learned something.

>>6206045
the cheek guards on the helmet look like arms and it looks like a little robot
its also pretty busy overall. The spiral at the base doesn't match the detail level anywhere else.
What do I think?

>>6206045
yea neat idea but i couldnt figure out what was going on immediately. had to stare at it for a while. i think the bottom part of the bulb go missed and didnt stand out as being a part of the icon.

>>6206026
That's not a pentagram, it's a unicursal hexagram. You're ngmi as an artist if you don't even read Crowley.

>>6206045
also if you want to get into logo design, study the FUCK out of sacred geometry.

Sorry image is kinda large
Man wtf contour drawing is hard. Also is this actually useful? I've heard it's supposed to like, loosen you up somehow but I don't really get it

>>6206045
>>6206050
Very interesting concept, but the lightbulb details practically disappear when seen from far away. It's not really visible in the first place either.
Have you ever lurked about in >>>/gd/ ?

Are these watercolors?

>>6206038
Save yourself some heartache and buy a pair of calipers. Don't do 100 heads, do 1000 block-ins

>>6205693
>>6205979
Hello friends
No I don't have a blog
Where could I upload with least risk of being banned for racism and homophobia?

At what stage of drawing do I overcome eye symmetry problems?

>>6205245
I tried to paint by just putting right colors at right places and then blend them by adding hair texture inbetween, but no colors looked,
after hours of disheartening failure I'm throwing the towel.
I will try again later

Why is he like this?

>>6206014
>>6206004

>>6206038
That’s not even close to the reference.
Don’t just grind out 100 of these, it’ll be pointless.
Like >>6206270 said, do a very simple blockin just to get the proportions and identify where everything is. Then *check your work* by overlaying your blockin onto the reference to see how close you were and where you messed up. Just focus on proportions, don’t worry about details.

>>6206414
Here is my example.
Left is before and right is after.
Left version looks terrible flipped, despite having parallel eyes. I made sure that the eyes lined up but flipping it made the eyes misalign. For some reason when I measure it they are the same.
The right version is when I moved one of the eyes down. This way it doesn't look wonky flipped. What's causing this?

>>6206431
Like what? Think about it, whenever you look at beginner tutorials you're going to want to see the works of the author. Same with books. In this case, I dropped KtD because the author seemed to have shit taste (calling Matisse, a prebeg a "master").
I'm willing to give it a chance if he offers new insight and techniques, but I just don't see it. I do want to make the most out of my money spent though.

>>6206441
Your brain hemispheres are unevenly developed, which causes you to misjudge apparent symmetry. Doing everything with your non dominant hand for a couple of months should fix it.

>>6206456
Also can I add that influential people like Dodson propagating the myth that prebegs like Matisse are "masters" just because they sold well is an insult to any serious artist? It enables bullshit like scams and money laundering. It pisses me off really.

>>6206459
Yeah, nah. I did my research and apparently even pros have trouble with frontal symmetry. If you don't give me an answer or show me your work I'm just going to assume using a ruler is the way to go.

>>6206467
>using a ruler
Might as well trace over pictures at that point

>>6206468
Then post your frontal view trad, show me it's easy. No eraser.

>>6206468
>>6206472
Also every tutorial on symmetry I found on Youtube uses a ruler kek. And every digital tutorial on eyes copy, pastes and flips the eye.

>>6206472
I never said it was easy, but if you're going to cheat you might as well go all the way.

>>6206474
I just want to know the correct technique because I don't like wasting time. Erasing and redrawing eyes is doing nothing to improve my drawing skills. If I can just use a ruler for symmetry then I can focus on other things.

>>6206431
severe assburgers

>>6206467
Pros also have a dominant side, pretty much everyone has. The only way to naturally reestablish balance to you brain is exercising your non dominant side. It worked for Davinci and can work for you.

>>6206480
If Matisse is a master then Sakimichan is God.

>>6206484
I can already draw with my left hand. I trained it when I was resting my right hand because of CTS. So if what you're saying is true then it shouldn't apply to me.

>>6206441
Haven't you noticed that your drawings are fucking ugly? stop focusing on stupid bullshit

>>6206490
Well you clearly didn't train it hard enough. Do you have any work you made with it?

>>6206491
PYW. Anything more appealing than these drawn with my left hand.

>>6206492
Yeah, drew these from imagination.

How can i draw consistently, as in drawing the same face in different positions without it looking like somebody else?

>wake up
>people are replying to the esdeathschizo
Don't do that. Thank me later when you realise what a waste of time that thing is.

>>6206500
Sculpt a mini head from your concept and then use it as reference

>>6205374
She looks like a vidya character, vary cute

>esdeathfag thinks he's on the same level as pros
>still keeps coming back to /beg/
a true master of doublethink. not too surprising seeing as he's a schizo

>>6205657
I liked it anon.
Hope I can read more. I liked it.

Nevermind, I figured it out. Pretty decent for my first ever frontal view drawing. It wasn't as hard as I expected, I just had to draw a few circles as anon suggested. Mostly line control and muscle memory. Guess I'll do a couple more frontal views to hammer it in tomorrow.
Thanks anon from the previous thread.

>>6206625
Also drawing from yesterday.

>>6206625
>>6206626
no progress
ngmi

>>6206662
can't wait for the 20 paragraphs of cope

>>6206404
Where where, why not on the most based website hosting one of the most based open source next gen social network mastodont?
https://baraag.net/about
>mastodont?
Think of twitter, facebook and discord having a baby but open source
>baraag?
One of the many instances of mastodon, allowing any form of art as long as its not photo or video of real life.

>>6205245
my attempt at the lion, how'd i do?

>>6206670
He looks like he's wearing a nun's habit and it's cute

Where do I go after this?

>>6206418
Looks quite good anon, why are you disheartened? Of course it's unfinished and has some value and drawing issues but it's completely fixable

>>6206670
he's kinda facing the wrong direction but it's a decent effort

>>6205769
heehee hoohoo here I go again

>>6205245
Gave it 30 minutes
I usually never draw animals so it was hard but nice for a change

>>6206681
Perspective made Easy

Why are there so many Dunning Krugers on this board? I know it's human nature but for fucks sakes no one on /ic/ has any humility, if you can't handle getting critiqued go post your work on Twitter, not 4chan.

>>6206670
It's pretty good but also the snout is a little squished

>>6206503
yea but its funny watching esdeathschizo going full autism

Here a sketch on twitter i tried to replicate, i did it in less than 40 minutes, so it's a bit messy

>>6206826
Bonus gif

Any good books/courses on rendering? I can't wrap my head around it for the life of me. I'm using graphite if that matters

>>6206840
just go watch marco bucci's videos on rendering and I think there's a decent one on proko's channel as well he even uses graphite in that one

>>6206778
4chan attracts autist

Sorry but which method is superior? I find that Loomis method (left) is easier because I can make up the jaw, and whenever I use Huston method (right) my jaw becomes way to big. But I'm watching Huston's lecture right now so I want to be able to use it. What's going on?

>>6205242
work in progress but idk how to progress my art desu

>>6205857
>bumps 2 and 3 of grown-up mountain go backwards in knowledge while conviction goes up sharply
This might be too real for me

>>6206863
Also how come Proko says to make up the jaw this small but Huston says to make it as big as half the head circle? This shit doesn't make sense which is it?

>>6206067

>>6206864
Sensei would want you to draw real human figures before gems anon.

>>6206871
hilarious response, will definetly do. but my autism makes me only find joy in drawing extreme and thin proportions.. just gotta make it work. any tips?

>>6206868
it does not matter. The jaw is going to be different from person to person.

>>6206875
Then why didn't Huston say that? He said to make the jaw half the circle, and to make it BIGGER if required. I have not encountered a single reference with a bigger jaw required. In fact ALL of them needed a shorter jaw. Case in point.
Is Huston full of shit?

>>6206873
Learn real proportions and then exaggerate it for drawings you want with long slimmer limbs.
I like Phos manga and no offense to the artist, but she really isn't a good example to learn how to draw from. Her compositions and story-telling are really good, but the gems are too simplified and and symbolically drawn rather than constructed.
I'd recommend learning from her use on composition and inking, but unless you actually want to get good, you're going to have to pick up a figure drawing book.

>>6206879
the fuck is that bullshit on the right

>>6206893
Splitting the whole face into thirds should get you the brow line, nose line and chin.
I've drawn from countless references and not a single face has a ratio of 1:3 from nose to chin.
Huston did not say anything about this, if anything he said make the jaw BIGGER. Anyone who has as much experience as him should know that most jaws do not fit his meme specifications. I'm saying he sucks at tutorials and if his 3 hour lecture is this quality all the way am I better off looking at random Youtube face drawing tutorials?
Why do people shill Huston here? Everyone should have encountered this issue through his teaching. I wasted several hours researching this because of his misleading wording.

Why waste time learning? Just use AI...

>>6206879
you're counting the hair as part of the skull aren't you.

>>6206902
Any teacher will say the same thing, the head can be split into thirds. Both the blue and green example in your pic even show it

>>6206879
None of those lines you put down line up with the features.

>>6206902
>Splitting the whole face into thirds should get you the brow line, nose line and chin.
yeah no shit my guy but why is the first line in the middle of her fucking forehead

>>6206902
>countless references

This dude looks at 5 coomer pics and wonders why plastic surgery addicts don't look like humans

Character sheet! Thoughts on the character design?

Cartoon /beg/ from earlier, decided to do that one upside down assignment from the sticky and goddamn I have trouble with references. I'll post it in the reply.

>>6206881
thats a good way to start, i like the way you tied it into what im into. thanks a lot, this seemed very helpful. i could update you on my progress on figure drawing, but i might just start posting here again

>>6206937
Here it is

>>6206721
haha I made another one

Okay how is this? I followed the Huston method but had to slice off the sides like Loomis because the head was too wide in the end. I like the result, but not sure if my process was correct.

>>6205245
King of the jungle. Thanks for the ref thread-anon, appreciated. Drawing the fur was a lot of fun

>>6207001
Holy fuck that's really good.

>>6207001
It's not cheating to see other anon's lions to try to guide me is it?

>>6205245
wanted to do the spider too but didn't get to it before thread died.

why are those eyes so creepy
maybe they are too big. but if I redraw them it will be too much work to fit in the skull

>>6206011
Love it anon

>>6207011
No that's just another kind of study. Studies are good for you.

>>6207021
Thousand yard stare

>>6205462
>>6206418
>>6206670
>>6206729
>>6207001
>>6207016

nice lions bros. i have a wonky one to contribute

>>6207021
did you finally fix the torso by shortening it or am I just imagining things

I think it's mostly the giant irises, it looks like she's tripping balls.

>>6205242
Here is some leg painting studies. The ones on the right were reference studies then the one on the left was a test with no ref to see if i actually learned anything or absorbed info.

>>6207059
tried again, came out less wonky

>>6205245

>>6207065
when I finish the rendering I will liquify the torso to fix

Looks like I've gotten a hand of symmetry completely. Only took me a day to understand it. I was told even pros have trouble with this but hey.

>>6207077
I dunno about you mate but I absorbed something alright

>>6207103
Smudged and filtered. Looks like this is one of my best pieces yet.

>>6205242

>>6207110
Fixed symmetry a bit more.

>>6205544
>>6206937
>>6206939
Here's my attempt at the lion.

>>6207173
If it needs work let me know as i can still build on it

>>6207184
How does this drawing make you feel? Do you like it?

>>6207189
nope

why do you ask that?

upside down stravinsky is too hard, bros...

>>6207204
Because I'm not really sure how to go about critiquing that image but you seem to have been at the drawing for a few days. Wasn't sure what you're going for.

>>6205627
more of the same shit

>>6207214
>Wasn't sure what you're going for.
me neither
just a generalistic coomer pinup

>>6207220
>panel 1
>an erect penis
>panel 2
>an erect penis entering a floating anus
>panel 3
>a girl giving a hand job
>panel 4
> a seeping hole
>panel 5
>a veiny penis
have you thought of not being a coomer?

>>6207222
You seem like a chill dude and I've noticed your drawings before. Don't want you to give up.

>>6207225
penises are good compositional shapes I guess also what is a seeping hole

another light session
mangamaterials is useful!
>>6205242
cute and reminds me of tkmiz
>>6205330
nice
>>6205245
big fat cat (nyaa)

>>6207250
You have really clean lines

Working on my lay ins right now, finding a method that feels comfortable is a bit difficult but I'm getting there

construction lines, how to do?
how to advance from the simple stickman to the boxes?

>>6206863
Which is closer to real cranium shape?

>>6207226
thanks bro
I hope I don't give up either

only thing I'm giving up is this one piece
fuck it

How do I make limbs and titties look like flesh rather than misshapen blobs?

>>6207376
Learn anatomy and proportion?

>>6207184
>>6207362
it lost a lot of the shapes after the coloring btw
anyone know any trick? I used multiply layers

Another one of them days.
But I'm miserable enough to post it anyways.
I can't figure out how to draw pointy shoes.

god this looks like utter shit. I'm not sure why I keep trying. I'm not going to get anywhere

Can you learn to draw using only a screenless tablet and not drawing on paper?

>>6207439
yea, any scribbling device and canvas can be used to learn how to draw. Just try not to fall into "I need the right brush/software/setting" trap

>>6207439
Yes but the learning curve is much steeper.
>have to learn how to use the drawing software and adjust tablet settings.
If you're going to go down that route look up Crtl dot paint

>>6205245

What can I improve about my painting technique?

>>6207383
>it lost a lot of the shapes after the coloring
I feel like coloring this way always messes values up horribly.

>>6207562
You're going to need to look up a video on color theory.

>>6207289
lel I like it. I feel like incorporating some darker values would really make it pop. Other than that it looks good.

>>6206932
Generic I suppose. I can't gather anything about the character from their clothing other than they're young and a girl(?)

>>6207077
Fattest fucking thigh I've ever seen.

>>6207383
I think you just gotta bite the bullet and paint it with color from the start, the contrast got flattened by the multiply layers. But I'm sure there's a method out there for pulling it off, I don't know it tho.

>>6207362
>>6207562
>>6207383
It changed when you added color because YOU changed it. You changed the values. That's okay if it's what you want, but it sounds like that wasn't your intentions.

So #3 is original greyscale (I'm assuming) and #2 was your colorized version of it. #1 is a black and white version of #2. Compare it to #3 and you can see the differences in values. #4 is if you kept the original values and added color to that.

That said, the values originally are fairly odd in the first place.

To check my values I make a layer on top of my color layer, set it to Saturation, then fill it with black. Then I just toggle it on and off occasionally to check how my values appear and change things accordingly.

>>6207597
thanks lmao

>>6207383
multiply layers are mostly good for shading, and even then, you don't want to use pure (zero chroma) values ON a multiply layer, or your shadows will look "dirty." I'd set your value layer to multiply, paint flats under it, then make a colour layer above the multiply layer and go over it, for example, in the same colours as your flats for each region to unmuddy the shadows. Or if you want to play with layer styles more you could do something like pic related- I used a colour layer to tint the values of her body red, merged down, and then painted over the value layer with an overlay layer, so it looks like I simply used a gamut with a reddish neutral tone.

Either of those methods will preserve the value shapes you're talking about and I'm honestly not sure how you used multiply layers to colour or how you ended up losing those shapes.

>>6206840
How to Render - Scott Robertson :)
I'm still not sure if this book is a meme but in theory it could be THE resource for rendering

Busy week, can only manage a quick doodle and a study later.
Behind on texts but that just means I need to be better.

Can I get critique?
Only been doing frontal faces for a day.

How important is it to get line control right before moving on to other fundies? I'm doing Brent Eviston's beginner course and reached the end of week 1 and when I started constructing the forms of stuff I noticed my ovals are lopsided when flipping the canvas so I went back to grinding ovals and circles but this time I'm trying to get them to look just right instead of just settling for mindlessly drawing 100 ovals/circles, and it feels like I have no time to do anything else.

>>6207733
symbol drawn

>>6207733
Trying flipping your pictures

>>6207762
Garbage advice, thanks.

>>6207764
Yeah, I know one eye is bigger than the other, but that's actually what the ref looked like. I'll try redraw it though because why not. There's a limit to how many times I can erase something before it becomes impossible.

trying to do...something

>>6207764
Nope, keeps getting worse whenever I try to fix symmetry. I'm gonna need advice on what I need to do to master symmetry.

>>6207801
Nevermind I found the secret to overcome symmetry. Still rough, but I get the gist now. Literally thinking in symbols helped me.

new thread?

>>6207816
ngmi

new
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