/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6201001
Another ref.

I'll post it here too I suppose
I think my noses are improving already, I'm playing around with a mixture of Angel Ganev's construction methods along with Melkormancin's and it's something I already feel a lot more comfortable drawing. My two biggest issues at the moment are
>Understanding a good shape for the tip of the nose and the planes of the bottom portion of the nose overall
and
>Finding a more standardized construction for the nose that I am comfortable with
I think I'm on the cusp of meeting the second one at least but some advice would always be appreciated

>>6201001
Here's a bird I drew today. It sucks but I want to share it anyways

>>6201013
This was the reference

>>6201013
>It sucks
To you maybe but I see someone who can draw a bird better than 99% of people already, and the best part is you can only widen the skill gap from here
Good work and keep going!

>>6201018
Thanks, anon.

does the hand i have drawn look right? the fingers are supposed to bent with the wrist bent back.

Never used this thread before. Around 2-3 years in my art journey, curious what people think but desu just want to share my art and get feedback on it.

>>6201021
Presuming all of them are supposed to be at the same level, then the hand in the center should be hiigher up on the ball.

>>6201045
Your art is cute but goddamn I'd like you to do some more dynamic stuff. I feel like random prompts could be fun

>>6201040
Well I'd say you're definitely high /int/ from that image alone

does everyone in here just draw on a tablet?
I just use a pencil and paper and I'd feel like a pleb if I just took a picture of my notebook

>>6201085
>doing fun with a pencil

>>6201040
n-n-n-ot beg

>>6201091
>pointlessly trolling instead of giving advice
This is why you'll never make it out of this general

>>6201085
1. Bigger
2. You dont have to get it right with the first line. Look at the faces and really try to draw the shapes exactly as you see them. Sketch lightly at first and draw the final version over it. You should be drawing in ovals, not lines

>>6201085
I always found paper to be far easier than tablet. Tablets can be really slippery.
>>6201091
pyw

>>6201098
>beg attempting to tell others that they will never make it out of this general

>>6201081
you lost the gesture

>>6201085
people draw both digital and trad its just preference, most here just want to do finished digital works so they just use digital
dont feel pressured on wasting money on tools on the basis of a stupid idea pls

plus having a sketchbook and using it in parallel to digital is great and may still do that too, i personally only been using digital to copy bridgman and do anatomy/figure studies while all the rest i do on the sketchbook
again, its all preference dot think you need x y z tool and ignore the shitters that will make you waste money when youre still beg

>>6201102
>Still hasn't posted work

>>6201081
whoa this felt unrewarding

>>6201104
I tend to correct proportions in the other phases so I'm not sure how to not lose it

>>6201008
There's just SOMETHING I'm not grasping here and I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out what

>>6201001
CUTE!!!! :3

>>6201008
There's just SOMETHING I'm not grasping here and I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out what

I'm considering getting an i pad

>>6201138
Same. Any anons know what model is best?

>>6201138
why is her head so small

>>6201142
I actually did the head first so i guess I made everything else too big. Thanks for the criticism

>>6201138
Seems excessive for shitposting

>>6201148
Does my pic seem like a shitpost?

>>6201138
ipads aren't terrible, but i wouldn't recommend it for a primary drawing tool. its good if you're on the go but its extremely limited.

i'd recommend either a basic intous or getting one of the cheaper cintiqs/knock off graphic tablets.

>>6201138
>>6201140
I have a Huion with a screen because I fucking hated not having one, so if you feel like spending a little extra mine was around 300 bucks, works really well

>>6201138
I have an ipad pro I got from work that they forgot about so I just kept it. It's cool for on the go but I use my shitty 500 dollar xp pen probably 50x more.

It has excellent out of the box colour calibration but you can usually get close enough by just moving your work over to a second monitor occasionally.

Cheap shitty chinese tablets are luck of the draw though. If Zhang was on the ball the day he made yours, you're in luck since it'll last a long time. But if he wasn't tough shit and it'll die in 3 months.

Go for a cheap intous or if you're feeling lucky an xp pen display tablet before dropping 4x on something with 12.9 inches of screenspace first. Lot of guys I know tried digital and went back to trad (mostly atelier folks)

>>6201159
Nobody cares idiot.

>>6201140
>>6201138
Get a used one that's 12.9 inches.

>>6201099
>Look at the faces and really try to draw the shapes exactly as you see them
Can you clarify this further?
I mean, what shape am I supposed to be looking at? I thought the point was to construct stuff yourself?

Can someone help me out here with the arms and face? I think the bottom half looks okay but the top half is bugging me. It’s still a rough sketch, I haven’t gotten to the hair yet

>>6201040
can you draw human women

>>6201168
>Nobody cares idiot.
seethe

>>6201174
big issue is the forearm and grip on the plate.
being on the outside makes it look weird considering she's holding it toward herself and makes the arm seem smaller.
grip on the plate is awkward for a plate hold.
i actually think the face is fine.

i really don;'t like that lower body though, hips especially look very disconnected and it doesn't really fit any pose that makes sense, i'd actually just crop that and just keep the torso.

>>6201176
Ofc lmao. Just prefer to design and experiment with furry characters rn tho.

>>6201085
Despite what >>6201105 says, if you're actually committed to art, longterm a tablet is a lot cheaper than paper, pens, ink, paints, brushes, etc, because it can last for decades of daily use without needing replacement. I guess for some people electric bills may be an incremental expense that adds up over time, but while I dodge that by living in motels and employee housing, I doubt it adds up to more than art supplies.

Plus digital art is FAR easier to share; Photos and even scans rarely come out just right with traditional art. Digital art is WYSIWYG.

And of course there are the inherent advantages of digital (flawless erasers, undo, layers, brush variety, etc). It has disadvantages too, of course (dot-based rather than flow-based drawing is the biggest one; software brushes tend to form "inaccurate" lines compared to the extreme precision of pens, which for example in the case of using a dipped hair or fine-tipped brush pen to ink can create an almost microscopic line that is nevertheless deep, stark black, but for digital you just get fainter lines instead of finer ones once you go below the width of a pixel), but the advantages are huge both for a learner and for someone who wants a high turnaround on quality pieces.

That said, I still enjoy traditional more. It's a deeply satisfying tactile experience and I don't think I'll ever feel as comfortable controlling a line with a tablet as I do with an inkbrush or fineliner. But I also can't help but feel limited when I use traditional media, and it also feels kinda "pointless" since nobody but myself is likely to ever see it.

>>6201047
oh yeah thats an easy fix. i was wondering if the anatomy and perspective s working.

>>6201001
Just read the new sticky, just ordered morpho's anatomy, this is how far I've gotten with little or no structure, just bashing my head against the wall

>>6201211

>>6201212

What happened to posting previous thread artists work in the OP?

>>6201213

>>6201216

>>6201174
What's going on with that right arm? Does she have three arms or something?

>>6201191
>I dodge that by living in motels and employee housing
Gigachad nomadic artist

>>6201221
>>6201185
I played around with it and did 2 different versions. One I looked at my hand holding something like that and for the other I just hid the problem, which is a better direction?

I do accept I am a bad artist and I am pre /beg/ I need to go back to basics? Where do I even start at? I was thinking of keys to drawing. I hate books but thats the only place I can start.

>>6201006
CUTE!!!! :3

I can barely draw a straight line and those eight repetition line exercises often look frayed.
Do I have to keep doing it until it is no longer frayed?
Foreshortening is painful, very painful to depict.
Drawing "what I see" is hard, very hard. Depicting the wrinkles, literal and figurative, of an object seems almost impossible.
Am I going to make it?

>>6201304
>Am I going to make it?
Only if you keep on practicing and pushing yourself

I just finished this after an age, going back to skeletons now.

day three of brent eviston's course
it's like my arm is retarded and refuses to move in a straight line when sketching

>>6201339
Very nice, gj.

>>6201367
Building mechanical skill is something that come with time.

>>6201259

The one on the left is better because you can see her hand holding the plate. It makes more sense for that perspective.

And since you're taking feedback, you need to fix her knee. If you notice her face and body are facing towards the viewer. We can see the front of her face and her torso. But her knee is facing the opposite direction. We shouldn't be looking at the back/ inside of her knee. Instead we should be seeing the front of her knee.

But overall I think it's a good pose and a good start.

>>6201495

Oh shit. I also noticed her other leg is also facing in the wrong direction too. I'm half asleep and still a little stoned so I didn't notice it immediately.

Anyway, yeah both legs should be facing towards us. We shouldn't be seeing it back of her legs since her torso and face are in the other direction towards the viewer.

Friendly reminder to never let your inner crab pull you down

>>6201138
consider getting a bigger head

>>6201339
I have no idea what's going on but it looks fucken nice.

>>6201560
Based effort

As critique, i would say that one eye is higher than the other. In general, being more careful about facial symmetry could be a way for you to improve your art

Other than that, im too beg to see how to further improve this piece

I've been in-and-out of art for years now and feel like I'm stuck in a loop of wanting to improve but not feeling confident enough to draw anything complicated, what's the best way to break free? Obviously I need to "just draw" though I'm struggling a lot to taking that leap.

If it helps, I already have a moderately high level of technical ability - I just can't commit to doing anything that isn't another fucking exercise or drill after years of conditioning.

>>6201001
What do you guys think of my zombie?

>>6201601
Well, what do you want to draw? What types of works inspire you? What made you want draw in the first place? If you really struggle to come up with ideas, you can use https://drawingprompt.com/ or something similar.
An irrational fear I have and I think many others may struggle with as well, is this feeling of 'ruining' my ideas by not being competent enough to bring it to life in the way I want. So using a prompt seperated from yourself might make it easier to 'just draw'.
Another thing you can remind yourself of is the fact that there are finished art pieces which look very complex, but in the end they are simply lines and shapes just like everything else. You start simple and work your way up, you layer it, you build upon it.
When you first start out a 100 out of a 100 drawings will look like shit. But in the next 100 drawings, maybe only 99 will be shit, next time maybe only 98, and so on. Try to have a healthy mindset of improving upon your mistakes rather than beating yourself up over them, because that helps no one.

>>6201601
learn how to apply construction to already finished drawings for analysis

I'm trying to draw some faces to practice proportions and stuff.
Also, who is in this pic?

I know who it is, but I need to know what details I'm still can missing.

>>6201712
Robert E Lincoln

I dont know why I bother.
Im lower than a prebeg.
I dont have energy to draw.
Fuck everything but above all fuck me for being so delusional for thinking I could learn to do anything nice.

>>6201718
You can do it. You're just expecting results faster than reasonable. Every nice drawing you see has thousands to tens of thousands of bad drawings behind it. From what I've gathered it will take you like 6 months to get a decent grasp on the fundies if you study for 5-6 hours every day of the week. Of course you feel defeated if you're trying to write a novel when you don't even know the alphabet.
Just keep working on it, anon. I believe in you. All you need is time and practice.

>>6201723
Fucking 5-6 hours are you absolutely batshit crazy out of your mind, I barely have time left to do house chores after work, at most I could spend 1 hour drawing if my brain wasn’t absolutely blasted from work I hate everything I want to fucking die already any hobby I ever had I ended up despising with all my guts fuck everything fuck my life fuck my job fuck my brain and fuck me

Been doin some horny drawing. Man drawing while masturbating is interesting. Thoughts?

>>6201730

Try to develop the confidence to use longer lines and strokes to convey the larger curves and contours of the body. Using shorter/ abrupt strokes and lines gives that hairy fuzzy look that is jarring to look at.

>>6201727
I'm just telling you how it is. You don't have study 5-6 hours a day, but you have to prepared for it to take a long time to get to a decent level. That's the reality of it. It's not that you can't do it. It's that you won't do it. Seeing as you're here complaining, there is most likely a part of you that doesn't want to give up. Why not listen to that part rather than the one that tells you you can't make it. Either way, like most things in life, it's all up to you.

>>6201339
Very nice. Reminds me of Sidney Sime's work, in that middle space between Art Nouveau and Art Deco.

hi do you guys have any safe copies of photoshop?
Where can i get it from?
I'd buy it but it costs too much and it's a subscription too

Drawing with my fingers are weird on my phone should he get a styles?

I want to start drawing more frequently and try to get better.
Should I focus on a single thing and get good at it? Like only focusing on characters? Or do I try and do everything at the same time from animals, to real life things and so on?

>>6201560
Good effort anon!

Some pointers:
First, take a look at the thumbnail. The face sticks out to me as way too bright. There are no hard shadows anywhere, e.g. He is standing under an overcast sky where light comes from all directions, same thing with the neck. Although you are indicating light from the top-right with your armour reflections, that does not translate to the face.

I did a quick paintovermwith some suggestions.

The lighting in your scene should affect all the pieces, including the fabric, the leather etc. The shoulderguards tell me there is a quite strong diffuse white light source, make the other parts respon to the light as well.

Another thing, try to not go to full black for shadows.

Larger strokes would help you as well.

No references just doodling.

>>6201838
Focus on discrete skills in a holistic setting. Lay down some perspective and background, give it a quick render, do your figures on it, focus on whatever needs work that day. You're now working composition, perspective, value, figures and anatomy and probably some drapery all at once. If that's too much, you'll know where to focus exclusively.

>>6201843
Thanks.

>>6201495
I was using this, not really as a reference but more of like a starting point. I wanted her bum facing the viewer with the rest of her body turning so she can be looking at the camera

>>6201832
Just buy some fuckin paper and pencil

>>6201001
Please critique my 5 minute gestures.

>>6201895
Forgot the picture.

>>6201018
If you compare yourself to fucking normies who aren't interested in art, instead of actual masters, you have very low standards for yourself, and you will ngmi.

>>6201897
Top left looks way off, did you draw it from a fisheye photo or something?

>>6201916
I think not…

what reference do you use to practice cubes?
This is the best I've found but the lack of background edges is annoying, can't find a one that has them

>>6201873

What's funny is in your reference, you can't really tell which direction her legs are facing because of the way it's cropped.

You have two choices though: You can keep her legs positioned as they are but indicate on her torso, mostly in her clothing, that despite walking away from the viewer, she's twisting her body to look towards us.

The second option is to do what I said initially and to have her knees facing towards us.

what reference do you use to practice cubes?
This is the best I've found but the lack of background edges is annoying, can't find a one that has them.

>>6201943
>what reference do you use to practice cubes?
I don't. The whole point of practicing cubes is to learn fundamental laws of perspective,

>>6201943
You don't need reference to draw cubes. They look the same at all angles, only the perspective dictates how long the faces are.

Use this to get started:

https://tasty-tangy-meeting.glitch.me/

>>6201943
wtf?

>>6201946
>>6201948
the reason I'd like some reference is that freehand cubes can end up very distorted
I'd like to get the hang of drawing cubes that fit near the center of vision and referencing cubes constructed that way would get me closer to realistic proportions as it rotates (and then drawing them without the ref and checking ofc). This:

https://tasty-tangy-meeting.glitch.me/

in particular looks like it would lead to cubes way away from the COV.

>>6201001
How the hell do i learn how to do drappery from imagination, i know the theory but cant understand how to practice to get better. Please help, what do i do?

Im doing shit like pic related but... this concept is very alien to me

>>6201957
You study and learn to render a lot of drapery.

>>6201957
luckily there is a very good book on it.

>>6201957
Sometimes, less is more.

What kind of music should I listen to as I'm learning to draw?
Am I allowed to listen to music or will it fuck up my learning?

>>6201976
Some people need an object to ignore in order to pay attention, others are distracted by it.

Should I glue my hand to the tablet/paper or try to keep it hovering slightly above? What will help me with line control?

>>6201976
You should listen to vtubers.
There's a reason all the best artists are drawing vtubers now.

>>6201949
What's the problem?

>>6201983
Because artists are desperate trendchasers and vtubers are the hottest new thing?

>>6201976
>Am I allowed to listen to music
no, if you try to do anything besides sitting still and drawing the police is gonna come ad take you to the torture chambers where tyrone is waiting with a big grin

ofc you can listen to music, or movies, videos, podcasts, livestreams whatever you want, some people feel better in pure silence others feel the need to have some "company"
i personally either have my TV, livestreams or documentaries going on in the bg

>>6201941
Not them but I don’t know what to tell you if you can’t tell her legs are facing away from the viewer.

>>6201983
>There's a reason all the best artists are drawing vtubers now.
But they are not? Where did you get this idea?

There are many Vtubers that are also artists in their and they are doing a lot of the drawing on stream because it is in their community. Plus Vtubers (even low key indie vtubers) are often commissioning artists to draw their avatars because that is one of the cheap and surefire way to provide new content their viewers, create merch to sell and just sate their fragile and precious streamer egos that is already held together by bandaids.

>>6201560
You actually painted something instead of doodling for 10 minutes and asking for critique, that's already a good start.

You need to work on your values and form. Basically you did like pic related, the highlights and shadows are there, but it's flat anyway because the form isn't there.

>>6201963
How?, just copying drappery over and over?

>>6201957
Are you drawing the contours of the shadows and filling them in? Draw the folds. For a black garment, draw the silhouette, fill in black, draw the folds in a lighter shade.

>>6202021
pyw

>>6202030
I would find some styles of rendering you like and imitate them, but yeah, lay different fabrics over a chair and stick a lamp on them.

>>6202041
Yeah, im drawing the contours first. You mean like this?

>>6202059
No. You just inverted your drawing. Draw the silhouette of the garment, fill the silhouette in black, then draw the folds in a lighter shade.

worth it to finish the 2 initial lessons of drawabox - just for the perspective and marksmanship practive, im on lesson 1 rn. I sort of like the rigid grindy nature which is why I thought it would be semi-helpful to do them. I already ordered a copy of Keys to Drawing and have been messing around with copying artwork that I like.

I felt like I've been in a rut recently.. can't move forward and can't go back so it feels like me, my style, and my artistic skill has been the same since 2020..

any advice on this and/or my art would be greatly appreciated

>>6201943
make a cube out of paper.

>>6201001
lol i hope this counts as drawing the reference

>>6201001

>>6201956
>the reason I'd like some reference is that freehand cubes can end up very distorted
Because you're not applying the basic rules of perspective correctly

Learn construction and perspective. You don't need reference for this.

>>6201956
>I'd like to get the hang of drawing cubes that fit near the center of vision and referencing cubes constructed that way would get me closer to realistic proportions as it rotates

If you don't want distorted cubes then keep your drawing within the cone of vision and image plane

Learn the fucking perspective rules, retard

>>6201980
>What will help me with line control?

Actually drawing and finding the best way that way.

>>6202106
Sure, but I've been trying that for a while to no success so I figure it couldn't hurt to ask about it. What approach do you use?

>>6201986
Are you living under the rock or something?

>>6202109
I only draw from my wrist

>>6202112
And what does that have to do with how far your hand is from the paper or tablet?

>>6202111
shit dog

How do I get over the fear that I'm gonna /dad/ and in a year I'll just be doing all the same things and making the same mistakes?

you will stagnate because you type like a retard

>>6202120
The frequency at which you draw won't change that.
Its about how self motivated you are to not comfort zoning and actually pushing yourself to try new things. If you're drawing daily or drawing monthly it won't make a difference if you're not motivated to improve.

Drawing daily can help or hurt depending on your personality. for me it helps because i get bored of what i'm drawing if i keep doing it. but other people might try to force themselves and thus just get into the routine of crapping out the same thing in order to hit your "quota"

>>6202117
Pyw faggot

>>6202131
i don't see how my work will make your baby mauling dog any less shit

>>6201085
mainly, yes.
>>6201101
this is true though. better feel to paper and easier to be more accurate, but tablet is more forgiving.
>also
this is my beg work for today

>>6202136
forgot image

>>6202133
I'm not even than anon, at least he had the courage to post his work instead of talking shit without backing it up

God, my mom is such an annoying stupid bitch who keeps dragging me down. That bitch said "As an artist, you need to draw EVERYTHING." Like, bitch, shut the fuck up, I don't even want to draw EVERYTHING, just the things I enjoy, so basically just girls. Is that so hard to understand?
Then she rambled on about how "a cook must also be able to cook EVERYTHING. even if the cook is vegetarian, they need to be able to cook meat." Like, she also seriously wanted me to draw black people and animals to be "more global". And after telling her she's wrong, and she needs to shut the fuck up about anything art-related stuff, she gets petty and acts like I'm a know-it-all and she's the dunce.
FUCK, SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU IGNORANT BITCH, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, YOU FUCKING WHORE!!!
I mean, I get it, practice your fundies, yada yada, but draw literally EVERTHING THERE EVER EXISTS AND EXISTED? FUCK THAT NOISE AHHHHHHHH I JUST WANNA DRAW SOME ANIME-BABES, WHY WON'T YOU ACCEPT ME LIKE THAT, MOM?!? WHY DO YOU ALWAYS WANT ME TO CHANGE, WHY AM I NEVER ENOUGH FOR YOU, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING, FUCK YOUR EXPECTATIONS, YOU TOXIC BITCH, FUCK BITCH FUCK YOUBITCH FUCKKKK!!!!!
Fuck.
Anyways, what do you guys think of that stupid statement "An artist has to draw everything"?

>>6202141
>Anyways, what do you guys think of that stupid statement "An artist has to draw everything"?

>>6202143
>picrel
I don't get it, so it's basically a bad idea, right?

>>6202141
They should have the ability to draw anything because you never know what you'll need to draw those things.
It doesn't mean you need to be able to draw it off the top of your head, but there's a difference between not being able to instantly do it and being capable of it.

I want to draw anime lesbians, however I should have the ability to draw horses because one day I'll want to draw a handsome girl seducing a girl by giving her a ride on her horse.

>>6202146
Yeah you're right, and I think her statement should have been "An artist should BE ABLE to draw EVERYTHING."
GOD, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME, FUCK YOU MOM, WHY ARE YOU DAMN BIASED FUCKKKKK

>>6202145
I’ve never drawn a kangaroo before either but drawing something other than anime tiddy is clearly advantageous. Shit, I didn’t even look up a reference just to make it fair.

>>6202159
>clearly advantageous
How is it advantageous if I'm not even gonna draw anything else but anime tiddies?

>>6202165
Eventually you'll want to draw tiddy gettin fugged by things in places. It's the natural progression.

>>6202170
Ok but that's a longshot from drawing LITERALLY EVERYTHING

>>6202173
But his point with the kangaroo was that even having not drawn a kangaroo before, he's drawn enough other things to be able to draw on that experience to sketch a halfway decent kangaroo.
Maybe you haven't drawn a space ship before but you've drawn a dumpster or some sci-fi crates and can use that information to draw a halfway decent space ship.
Or maybe a better example is maybe you haven't drawn a girl being raped by hentai tentacles, but you've drawn a tree with some vines a couple of times.

>>6202173
Is it? Come back when you're looking at fancy espresso machines that denote a nice apartment and trying to figure out how to draw a paizuri in the reflections off the boiler.

>>6202114
It means that my hand is right on paper

wait

Isn't 2 point perspective just 3 point perspective but 3rd point goes into infinity

>>6202188
Vanishing points go to infinity in all perspective drawing.

>>6202190
Then what do you think happens when a vanishing point is on the page so one set of lines is not at 90, thus it's not going into infinity

three drawings I did to work on measuring better so there isnt much detail in rendering or anything.
im really happy with how they turned out because, who knew, actually measuring things makes the drawing look realistic.
the engine starting measured but i screwed up and just winged it to finish it, but it was really fun to draw.

New here, and don't know if this warrants a new thread or not, but can tracing be a good idea for beginners?

>>6202188
No because in 2P perspective the vertical lines are parallel and never intersect, even into infinity, they will never touch.

>>6202204
tracing boosts your gains i would recommend it

>>6202204
no

>>6202195
actually putting in work, gmi

>>6202209
I could see it helping someone with very little hand eye coordination. As well as taking some pressure off from the beginner, like not using color.
>>6202213
Care to elaborate?

>>6202204
Yes, tracing is good to get mileage in. Trace images you like for how long you want.

Then when you feel more confident draw images you like but don't trace them, just put them to the side and try to copy them 1 to 1 as close as you can. After you've done that for a while it's time to experiment on your own, take inspiration from images you like but don't copy them 1 to 1. This is how you improve.

>>6202222
Checkity check, and that makes perfect sense to me.

>>6202180
>>6202181
You know what, maybe my mom was onto something there. I may have been to harsh to her. But her reasoning was basically non-existent. So her statement should have been

"An artist should be able to draw everything, and should also draw ""everything there is"" in order to expand their visual-library, therefore leading them to become even better at drawing."

I think I'm going to apologize to my mom now. Thanks guys. I'm an idiot.

>>6202204
I would say to copy, not trace. Look at the art you like, try and draw the lines just like it by just looking at it. Keep in mind that many lines in a final image are cleaned up after numerous attempts from the artist.

I want to give her a flat chest but I'm not sure how I should draw her chest from the front. It makes her look like a femboy.

>>6202059
Here is my take, then you can use that to start shading

Disregard crabs, attain drawing gains
that is all

>>6201909
pyw you crab faggot, I swear the smallest amount of positivity in these threads pull you worthless cretins out of the woodwork

>>6202229

>>6202233
Very cool, thanks!!

>>6201813
Get Krita (free) or Clip Studio Paint ($50), they both have most of the functionality of PS and are actually geared towards art. CSP usually goes on sale early September for like half off too. Don't fall for the Adobe scam.

>>6202094
lmao

>>6202243
Thank. Fixed her neck and reduced her shoulders, she's still not as flat as I want her to be but I guess if I keep it really flat like 3DPD it'll look male instead of female, in an idealized form you probably need more form to show.

>>6202283
Maybe look up some references?
Idk I'm no expert on drawing boobs kek

>>6202262
Firealpaca is also really good, I'd use that over Krita personally.

>>6202267
Very nice, it has a dreamlike texture

>>6201001

Any thoughts on this book?

>>6201001

>>6202325
use it

>>6202138
do you want anon to maul a baby to show his courage or what?

>>6202330
That’s an English bulldog, they’re more like drooling furniture than a dog.

>>6201745
Yea, I'm trying to work on that. I guess it's like I'm trying to "find" the right contour with brute force. I just spam a bunch of strokes until i can see one that looks right, then clean up afterwards.

>>6202345
clean up more

>>6202322
Kek, based.

did something digital today, it's a doggo, kek

Random sketch from imagination

I decided to start learning to draw. For my first drawing, I drew a portrait of some random dude off pexels yesterday. Not currently seeking feedback—I think I just need lots of practice in all areas—but I got a good laugh out of how fucked up it looks. Maybe you will, too.

My current plan is to go through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and then afterwards do Loomis and pick up a book on perspective, all while drawing a few things a day and grinding some basic 2D shapes. If anybody has better advice on what order to learn stuff in the beginning, then I'm all ears. I'm just currently going off what's in the sticky.

>>6202372
Already miles ahead of esdeath schizo

>>6202361
you need to eat more babies

>>6202361
That box reminds me of the time I mindbroke some poor /beg/ into mecha with this of all things. I can’t remember the context other than that his art was stiff not posed at all even though he thought it was. I had to dig them out just now for funsies.

>>6202381

>>6202372
Get a set of basic 3D volumes and familiarize yourself with them, they're pretty useful

>>6201785
basically you study it and then break the silhouette with it. you can also fill parts of the area and fade it out. this is an excercise from the drawabox course. tried to do this with the doggo, and it actually didn't turn out too bad. obviously everything else is not that good, but it has some fur texture.
>>6202380
kek
>>6202381
haha, i think that's a cool idea
>>6202370
really nice chopper bro. mirin.

>>6202396
Of course it’s cool, only the cool kids make box armor and do stupid poses. I wanna know what I was on because some of those lines are fire compared to the rest of that sketchbook. Like, those foreshortened feet in the second one don’t match anything else I did for months. I think I was running on pure spite.

>>6202194
I don't think you have your terms correct.

>>6202405
Competition breeds excellence

Why learn to draw when you can just paint over a 3d model?

>>6202412
Because it's fun

>>6202412
It all boils down to what you're wanting to do.

>>6202412
Because your art will still look like a shitty souless daz model.

Im I wining anons im I an autist yet

>>6202410
If only I stuck with it but I had a degree to finish. So here I am back at the bottom. I did find this one sitting in the folder so I know there’s some hope because I don’t want to vomit looking at it.

>>6202423
Sabu uses Daz and it looks quite good

Is it okay to reverse Google your work to see what quality of images are considered "visually similar"?

>>6202190
dont points converge on each other in 1p/2p/3p perspective eventually? have I been drawing boxes wrong the whole time

>>6202470
>loli
Looks like grandma to me desu

>>6202456
Not the anon you're talking to, but this picture I took from drawabox explains (what I assume) he means. All lines do eventually converge, but when we're talking about infinity it essentially doesn't matter.

My little beg brain cannot comprehend how to go from a box to this

>>6202503
Object fit in box. That’s really all there is to it.

>>6202503
well, you can't even get to a box in the first place, so what does it matter?

>>6202506
Yeah but what should I be studying in order to construct in a similar manner?

>>6202508
I studied the box >>6202381
but less ironically, learn to understand the size of the two major boxes relative to each other and render them in various perspectives.

>>6202508
Don't study, just trace over a 3d model

Do skill with digital transfer well to trad? I want to draw trad, but when practicing I find it a lot easier to use reference on the computer due to being able to having the picture pretty close to the thing I'm drawing

>>6202527
>>6202412
fuck off back to your hole, crab

>>6201001
Thoughts? how do i do backgrounds?

>>6202562
Yes, as far as the fundamentals are the same. The mediums are different and require learning how to use them. Get a sketchbook and nice pencils anyway and draw things that are in front of you.

>>6202568
wups

>>6202562
people do that in real life too, its called sight sizing. if you really want the freedom to draw what ever you want i would try to limit copying as much as possible. use a reference as a reference for what you want to draw, dont just "trace without literally tracing"

>>6202570
Alright, thanks. I already got myself some paper and a couple of different pens, and I plan on drawing from real life as well. But there a lot of neat things you can easily find pictures of on the internet. I saw a video where some guy suggested drawing rock formations to start out, because they have a lot of organic shapes which allows for more mistakes than stuff I can find around my apartment.

>>6202574
>>6202568
start by filling it,maybe a dark grey and use a darker grey to suggest tree trucks, this character looks like he belongs in a forest. dont make the ground or background more detailed than the character, like dont try to texture the dirt

>>6202580
>I saw a video where some guy suggested drawing rock formations to start out, because they have a lot of organic shapes
YES.

>>6202589
will do sire thank you

>>6202574
Beg here, so I can't really redline or anything. Personally I think the right arm looks shorter than the left. Like he's missing a section of his arm. The left wing seems a little scuffed compared to the right one. Also I think the values don't contrast enough for the image to be easily read. And I'm not really sure what the thing on the brownish thing on the right side of his head is supposed to be Maybe you can convert it into grayscale and flip it to better see any mistakes? Other than that it's pretty cool. Keep up the good work, anon.

>>6202625
>And I'm not really sure what the thing on the brownish thing on the right side of his head is supposed to be
Sorry, I meant on the left side of the head.

>>6202159
proko pinko btfo

>>6201810
Thanks man, and you're right on. He and Gustav Dore are big influences to me.
>>6201557
>>6201462
:)

>>6202658
*e

>>6202660
The hands look better.

>>6201001
Currently drawing the cat. It's fucking awful but I'll post it anyways

>>6202732
Here it is.
Fuck.
Did it over the course of 2 days.

>>6202454
I actually never thought about that

Is there a way to fix this mess yes or no!

>>6202749
In order to make up for this mess I'm gonna be drawing some Loomis heads from FWAP. I might post those too.

>>6202767
Keep being interested, and hungry.

>>6202772
head is a little small and torso is a bit long but the construction is great, good work!

Really struggling with the arms here somebody please redline

>>6202755
looks like he's trying to sneak out a fart

BEG

>>6202765
there is nothing to fix or call it mess. you just made cartoon and stole wood texture from photograph
>>6202755
Nice one. But anon why are you hiding hands in shadows?
>>6202749
Your drawing shows you didnt give a shit about that cat and just wanted it to be over :-)
>>6202503
You forgot to PYW where you are trying to draw that reference anon
>>6202425
I kneel
>>6202412
Why drawing when we have AI? Why breathing when sun will run out of helium and turn the earth to ashes?
>>6202326
Good cat
>>6202195
>He drew car engine
Fellow engineer or just /o tourist?
>>6202120
>>6202141
>>6201718
>>6201601
PYW
>>6202111
Damn nice textures
>>6202084
Your picture lacks shadows, textures and it shows heavily stylized faces and anatomy. If rest of your pics are like this you have a whole shopping list of things to improve/implement into your art
>>6201614
Thats so ugly and revolting all i can say is good job: that walking horror perfectly fits what zombie would be like in real life!
>>6201339
How did you not die while doing all that super tiht vertical hatching?
>>6201304
>will i make it?
How can we know if you dont PYW?
>>6201138
>>6201140
1 ipad costs like 12 xp-pen tablets. And as bonus you will fuck up your spine while using it for drawing. You have been warned

I know if I post my work anywhere people will be laughing at me like I'm a deviantard

>>6202793
I didn't stole from a photograph, I stole it from the show directly, that how they make bgs in little Einsteins.

>>6202793
>Your drawing shows you didnt give a shit about that cat and just wanted it to be over :-)
I realized it was fucked halfway through.

>>6202793
>you made a cartoon! you should go to jail and be raped!

Meritocrats fucking suck.

>>6202803
>Anon doesn't say anything about crime or jail for loli
>Lolianon gets defensive anyways
What did he mean by this?

>>6202793
>How did you not die while doing all that super tiht vertical hatching?

Life is pain, and I'm livin' large.

>>6202793
>You forgot to PYW where you are trying to draw that reference anon
https://files.catbox.moe/ainkib.png
I don't understand boxes and just keep drawing the same thing on slightly different angles. I also don't quite understand how 2 draw heads and limbs but I'm trying

>>6202808
Also this but like I said last thread I kept fixing everything so much it just looks like I traced the ref pic

>>6201339
>>6202807
I kneel, these are fantastic.

critique on construction/proportions?

>>6202814
What the fuck?

>>6202814
Based coomer. Working hard for his perversions. As for criticism, you seem to make their heads wider than the ref.

>>6202798
Made a wood pallet, but it does not gives off the same "vive" as Little Einsteins low res photos.

You can use it however for any wood pallet related needs.

>>6202767
Here are my Loomis heads.

How the fuck do I get out of pre beg mode? I am slowly grasping the ideas of going against symbol drawing but what else can I do?

>>6202782
It would be easier to offer advice if you cleaned up your drawing some, you know.

>>6202855
Study
Practice
That's all it takes to qchieve beg status

>>6202859
I don't know what books to even try or do.

I did something

>>6202863
Any book is the right book. The first post has several listed, but even a how-to book geared towards children would be a start. If it's too easy, move on to something else.

>>6202867
That feels a bit demeaning with the children books no? Theres so many books I don't know where to start.

>>6202875
Just do Fun with a Pencil. Go!

>>6202885
I tried it once and it felt really demeaning and I didn't like draw a box either.

>>6202777
I will fix the head, the torso was intended, as long as it makes someone's pp hard

>>6202890
Get a hand reference.

>>6202888
>demeaning
I don't know what you mean by that, it's an all ages book not just kids. You don't have to do the whole thing, but it'll be enough to get you out of prebeg town.

Why do faber castel mechanical pencils become unusable once the lead is down to like 30-40% of its length? It starts being pushed in when you press and it becomes impossible to use, you have to get a new one.

Is this a function that I don't understand, intentionally done to make me buy more graphite, or just a dogshit brand?

>>6202898
I feel like I am decent enough to where I don't need to be talked down to by a writer, but I also don't think im smart enough for art, im not a deep thinker, I either have brain fog or I am thinking of random stuff or hyper fixating on stuff. Im not naturally smart and never will be.

>>6202904
your brainfog will go away once you stop eating sugar, using the internet mindlessly, watching porn and also start doing cardio daily.

>>6202904
You should realize the poeple who write these books are artists and illustrators themselves. They aren't talking down to you. You're the one trying to get up to their level. If you try and get the desired outcome, good. If you try and don't get it, then you still learned something. The important thing is trying.

>>6202813
Thanks mann, I'm glad you like them :)

>>6202814
turd logs

first hand drawn from reference. i've been practicing by tracing the construction over the reference photos

>>6202864
Looks good

>>6201001
Trying to analyze the shape of the face

>>6202814
sick in the head

>>6203052
the angles of the fingers are all wrong, if you were trying to copy exactly.

I made this yesterday and am pretty happy with it. What do you guys think?
Please ignore the lack of nipele i was tired

>>6203171
I like your artstyle. The face is a little bizarre, but it's quirky enough for me to be into it.

>>6203172
thanks! yeah im still struggling to find some strategy for drawing faces mostly i just try around randomly until it looks sort of good, but i dont know how to properly make them look 3d and not just painted on

>>6203171
Sexy granny

>>6203171
Beg here, I can't really help you correct anything, but I can tell you about the most obvious mistakes I notice at a first glance. I might be wrong on some points.
Her left arm is missing. Looks like she only has a shoulder stub and a hand.
The right arm has to have a really long forearm for her hand stick out from behind her head like that. Also, the hand looks disconnected. I think it's due to the hand being too far to the right in relation to the angle of the forearm. The hand is also realy hard to differentiate from the hair and neck. It also looks like she an additional joint slightly below her elbow. Her upper arm is also very long and doesn't look connected to her shoulder. The perspective on the armpit also looks a little strange.
Her breasts looks like they aren't affected by gravity and are glued on. Especially the right one, and I think the perspective is off.
The face also have a lot of strange things going on, and I'm not talking about things due to stylization.
Her body is 'bumpy' in strange places.
Here's a beg tip I picked up you could use. Try flipping your drawing while making it to catch mistakes. Using reference is also a good idea when drawing poses (and in general)
Other than that, I think you did great, anon. Much better than what I could have done personally. Keep up the good work, you're gonna make it!

>>6203189
Thanks for the detailed response! Yeah I am definitely noticing most of these as well, the armpit area is very elongated and bumpy. I did this one with a reference pose though, where you also couldnt see the right arm at all, and the other arms fingers were showing behind her head, but obviously as I didnt trace it some parts became longer or differently shaped and suddenly the entire pose doesnt make sense anymore.
This is already a big help though, thanks and I will keep at it!

Need some help.

>>6203192
we know. i think your only option at this point is drinking bleach

>>6203193
You realize with a few tweaks here and there it would be a good piece right? I'm just trying to finish it.

>>6201001

Nearly finished commission. How can I improve it?

>>6203199
why do you keep coming back and ask for help when you're unwilling to listen to any kind of criticism? don't answer that, just leave

Am I doing this hatching stuff right? It doesn't look right...

>>6203192
your facial proportion is off. If we use the nose as the center point of the face the mouth should be higher, the corner of the eye should line up with the nostril so the right side eye should be move out a bit, the jaw should be around where the mouth is place, the ear should be in between the bottom of the nose and the brow and the head itself seems a bit large. Go look at steve hudson head video on youtube to get some proportion.

>>6203216
I always find hatching hard myself, but if you think of hatching as shading it is a little easier. So I would cross hatch around the neck area and right side arm, maybe the cleavage as well. I would hatch around the eyes and depending on your light source maybe cross hatch around the right side.

>>6203218
Okay thanks I'll make this week a Huston week and get back. Can you also give critique for this if you can?

>>6203232
I don't know if you want to do an anime face or a realistic face. If you want a realistic face then the eyes are a bit large and the mouth is a bit small( If you make a line from the middle of one eye to the other that is how big the mouth should be)

>>6203238
I want to do something in-between. My friend told me my drawings look like Bleach, so I might go for that. That way I can get the best of both worlds: practicing realism while drawing anime. I like to reference eyes from artists like Sakimichan.

>>6203210
continue to study anatomy, that collar bone is all kinds of fucked up, you dont see it portruding like that all the way to the shoulder plus it doesnt connect where youre drawing it and where you would see the collar bone in the fronnt you drew it too low, its basically a second cleavage and this made you draw the chest lower than normal and make her neck longer than normal
basically, simple nnatomy errors fixed with more study

another thig is to also do painting and rendering studies your hard/soft edges are all over the place plus using black a shadow is a big no no so ye, apart from keep doing anatomy studies, begin doing painting and rendering studies too with a focus on color theory
that black spot on her left shoulder makes no sense given the lighting and is a perfect little example of how you seem to be improvising the painting instead of doing it based on gained knowledge, that shoulder spot shouldnt be black again, never use it, but that shoulder wouldnt be so dark since it is catching light from the blue flame and you even know this yourself since you painted the lrim light on the shoulder
again, seems like youre just improvising and copying stuff youve seen without actually knowing why it is done and how

less use of airbrush/soft brushes, learn to pait and render with hard brushes textured or not doesnt matter, just dont use soft brushes or blenders

the pose is stiff as a rock waist up but waist down shows her walking? look at people walking they arent as stiff as that, add some walking/running and other action poses to your figure drawing sessions and pay attention to simple principles like contraposto

gona hammer again on the painting/render part but, havign areas that look painted by hand in cotrast with the digital look of other areas plus the obvious digital effects/tricks used to create the lights it makes everything look cheap and amateurish, really, study how to paint everything from scratch by hand youll be better artist in long run

>>6203206
good drawing but ruined by the airbrush coloring, this is something im gonna spam every thread till the ed of this board
stop using airbrush/soft brush for painting/coloring and do studies of your fav artists if theres a specific look you want

>>6203210
>this motherfucker gets commissions while he doesn't even know clavicles work
Normalfags really have no standards do they

>>6203277
Stay jelly, crab
Not everyone is interested in paying top dollar for top tier work. Good on that guy for putting himself out there. Asking for help also shows that's he's trying to improve while making some dough on the side.

>>6203279
I'm not jealous I'm glad he's getting commissions I'm just genuinely surprised that some people are okay with this quality, maybe I just have unrealistic expectations/standards when it comes to the skill level I think I need to get paid for my shit.

>>6203285
PYW man show us what you got

>>6203285
Sorry about that, I misunderstood.
>maybe I just have unrealistic expectations/standards when it comes to the skill level I think I need to get paid for my shit.
Only one way to find out. "Selling" yourself is a big part of being an artist, so having some confidence in your work is key in getting work. Not speaking from experience, only from observations.

>>6203309
>>6203309
>>6203309
New thread

>>6203292
what are good confidence exercises

>>6203357
Get out of your comfort zone. That's pretty much it. Show yourself that you are capable of things you didn't think yourself capable of. Showing your artwork to people is a nice start. If you're easily affected by negativity, I suggest doing it somewhere other than /ic/. A lot of crabs on this board. Hell, if you're really struggling, show them to someone more biased, like your parents or friends. If even that is too much just start hanging them on a wall in your room/apartment. You might not feel proud of them right now, but by constantly seeing them, you'll be reminded of your hard work, and you'll subconsciously start liking them more because we generally have this idea that we can only keep nice artworks on our walls.

>>6203377
thank you i will try some of these

What looks off here? Should I just drop the background and leave it white?

Hello guys
Be brutally honest

>>6203171
Pleasing contours, parts of the anatomy like the hips and linea alba look nice, the gesture looks good.

Face has poor construction and it kinda makes her head look melty. Right breast (the one nearest us, on our left) appears smaller than the left breast even though she's compressing the left breast with her hand. Back of her ribcage juts out too far/too high, around the back ribs taper inward as they go down and also individually curve slightly in toward the spine (though this is a relatively minor complaint because I like the contour it forms). Part of her bicep form looks right but it's like she has two joints at each shoulder and two joints at her visible elbow, so the entire bicep is displaced relative to the elbow and shoulder, while on the other shoulder you have the upward bump where the collarbone girdle rests above the shoulder joint, but it's too far out/the armpit below it is too high (or the angle is just odd), which makes it look like her arm is barely attached to her torso. If you want a redline I'll have to do it later, don't have my tablet on me right now.

>>6203532
update

>>6203691
Looks nice, i am kind of jealous of how nice your marks are, but your perspective is shit. I feel like you tried to make something like a fish eye effect but your fundamentals are not there.
Try "How to draw" by Scott Robertson if you're really into it (or moderndayjames\drawabox if you're not into it). This book is a bit bloated, just read parts about perspective and then about curvilinear perspective, and your drawings will probably skyrocket in no time.

>>6203691
It looks pretty good!! But there are no shadows and no light source. I'm no expert yet though

If I wanna get good at drawing waifus, on Pixiv, there's really no need to do the whole sketch book and pen and pencil thing right? Just digital only?

>>6204413
Well yeah but for practice it's easier to use a sketchbook IMO

>>6204414
I have better control when drawing on paper but does it really carry over to when drawing on a screenless tablet? It feels more like mind control when using a screenless drawing tablet.

>>6201752
Not him, but I've been in this loop for over a decade. It becomes harder and harder to get over the hurdle you describe.

>>6204414
Disagree, a sketchbook is big and bulky. A tablet is lightweight and works much better for a cramped setup.

>>6204415
Hmm, I don't know about screenless tablets since I'm using one with a screen, but I think it doesn't matter that much because what's happening is that your brain is learning and you're expanding your visual library, that's why it doesn't matter, but I'm not really sure, sorry

>>6204424
Well I'm using an A5 size sketchbook so it isn't very bulky for me, but that's just my preference haha

I'm new here, what does crab mean?

>>6204618
It's when someone doesn't like seeing others succeed and want to drag them down otherwise known as a beta-cuck

>>6203377
>You might not feel proud of them right now, but by constantly seeing them, you'll be reminded of your hard work, and you'll subconsciously start liking them more because we generally have this idea that we can only keep nice artworks on our walls.
Bad idea. My parents had my crappy doodles framed.
Are you the Esdeathschizo?

>>6203983
>Try "How to draw" by Scott Robertson if you're really into it (or moderndayjames\drawabox if you're not into it).
Thanks for the rec anon, I'll check it out. Many of my drawings were ruined by wonky perspective so I was planning to actually learn it when I have more time. Unfortunately I'm awfully busy.
>>6204411
Thanks anon, & you're right. Honestly I didn't know how to add shadows without making the drawing too saturated with details if that makes sense.

why am i so cringe