/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6190164
>another pedo thread
fuck off to your containment general

not a pedo thread. I think sorolla had a thing for young girls because the cfnm freak made me look into his work

He was a devoted family man and loved his daughters much more than his son, openly. the son became a homosexual

Why work to understand an artist's psyche rather than his mind? An artist has undergone formal education so he may communicate on richer terms. It is better and more respectful to meet his standards, instead of using his work as a reference to fill out a personality test. Or you could read a novel.

>>6190246
His paintings are about the world he lived in. The Belle Epoque was all about boys as tools of the empire and girls as tools of their husbands who worked for the empires.
one was public property, the other was private.
if I can better understand the period, its inhabitants and the person portraying them I can get a better idea about the big picture, the period I inhabit and so on.

>>6190370
this was made during the Spanish inquisition,had to court them and is much more sexual than Sorrolas.

>>6190168
>art has zero sexual tension to it
>"fucking pedo"
Lay of the porn anon, it's warping your view of the world

>>6190164
>>6190188
uh, mods?

Not usually, no. But with Sorolla? Yeah. You can definitely tell the dude had a thing for children.

>>6190917
They don't have anything, The gown absolutely sexualizes them by saying they are little women and, on top of that, can be seen thru, cling, float, pulled down by waves..
There's a lot of reasons why society imposed this, its dumb and backwards mainly, most of all but why did Sorolla depict it so much?
Contrast it with this scene, which seems actually innocent

>>6190949
uh, mods?

>>6190949
stuff like this is weird to me because there's not really anything wrong with this. it's a pure example of childhood innocence. maybe that's what it means to be innocent though, fully enveloped in your natural being without knowing or caring that you're exposed mentally and physically.

>>6190192
>loved his daughters much more than his son
>the son became a homosexual
Daddy issues?

>>6191674
I think the Sorollanon is trying a new way of baiting instead of posting the same image over and over and over

But he's being much less subtle

>>6191674
there's nothing wrong with it because they're all just children playing. Sorolla's paintings depict girls as little women and boys as little tadpoles.
The pic in OP depicts a man pressing grapes, a little girl receiving the juice, in the nude, and a wine jug is there to scoop her up.

>>6192208
No, the sorollanon was a cfnm freak.
cfnm freaks me out.
big difference.
his posts made me look into this because his assertions just couldn't be true. he insists the teen boy in this is naked, but he's definitely wearing trunks. the girl is in a translucent gown.. underage as she may be, she's beautiful and he has some kind of power that's not animal, infantile nor feminine.
not PC or even appropriate but not as deeply weird as his fucked up fetish

>>6191675
he was an orphan. see sad inheritance

>>6190986
fuck off, they're paintings of little kids.
here's a woman, sorolla was allowed inside the changing room i guess

Where do pedos find cp nowadays?

For references, i mean

>>6193773
>I-it's for a painting, I-I swear

>>6193785
>thinks Sorolla harbored a love for little girls
>is a pedo
Nah, see Giorgione's Venus here, picrel, we can see his society was more open, we can see she was sleeping out in the open, we can see this was before Jansenism and Calvinism and all the gnostic hatred of the female body, we can tell by Giorgionis other work we wasn't battling what Michelangelo and DaVinci were- niggas had a leaning tower thing going on- etc etc.

In the background you can see what are termed 'young amphibians' by Sorolla.
Weird boys growing out of the surf- lumbering, wonky, uncomfortable, devonian creatures. Often laying on the beach, cumbersome, as if they're banging sand, laying there like trilobites, little girls, not even five, often watching over them like highly evolved civilizations in contrast.
His girls epitomize grace and majesty and offer up seeming winks except when serious about disrobing.

>>6190192
Damn how did he mix that pink?

>>6190164
Well, for starters you can assume without fear of getting proven wrong that anyone that followed the call of the arts is a conman or a fucking retard, some times both

Here's a sketch of Sorolla's passion. Young girls in robes bound for the sea.
In all the sketches it is just the girl's running, in the painting he has added a hulking little naked boy, bounding after them in pursuit, arms out and ready to catch them. A 'nude little savage'.

i think i stumbled into a fever dream. can someone tell me what's going on?

>>6193853
He was really good at painting -->>6193846, people said his work said nothhing, I think it spoke about his gynephilia.
Here he paints himself seeing himself painting his family, his son drawing his sister

>>6193873
forgot pic

>>6193872
i am redeeming sorolla from a pervert and i'm high af

>>6193765
fuck you i searched cfnm up

>>6194007
it is a horrible fetish. I despise it. but it exists and all men are robbed of dignity and all women of their unique beauty.
it's the idea, as the actual expression reveals an essence the woman has and cannot be corrupted despite what she is lead into or may even feel she desires. the idea removes her as the muse of man and casta her out somewhere, a void past her Father and she seems nihilism itself, consumption for the sake of it's own eldritch horror
but it's not real. Sorrola cast little boys as cupids and then, probably, made them appear taller so as to make his own desires more innocent and he almost certainly saw these prepubescent girls as little venuses, entering the sea formless, bounded by sunlight, smiling at his platform, and exiting as women given form by their diaphanous swimming gowns. swimming was a chore for them, for the pleasure of men. sad.
little boys were robbed of their dignity tho. and most of them, of that generation, would die on beaches or in trenches.
it's a much more terrible sadness.
oh well, heres some healthy cmnf. some tit-tays

>>6194094
*blinded not bounded

men standing in the water working. his most beautiful depiction of water I've seen, as if men working have mastery over it

>>6194866
wrong pic

>>6194868
here the water is magical and sensual, like the sun and the women mixed with it to make some otherworldly salve.
no boys may see his daughter as she is magical and sensual, according to prevailing customs, but they may see women in seethru gowns as they are, appropriately, otherworldly.
the motherland was such a place, but your ass belonged to the fatherland. foreign lands were ripe for conquest, virgin lands belonged to the father.

>>6190164
definitely

>>6194866
this appears to be a middle aged woman with a fat ass. which is entirely beautiful. shes holding an empty vase, fitting as shes most likely post menopause, or prematurely graying.
shes too old to be a smashing brapper, it is indecent from a lady her age, still tho, the ass is fat

two graceful little girls in goddess robes walk a odd, stern little creature. he appears crippled. as though he doesn't know how to take steps. he appears as tho hes in therapy. his sister gazes at his face to see if he needs anything or to inspire some kind of hope in his recovery. Sorolla was in an orphanage after age 2

>>6194868
You might like this one.
Alfred Guillou - Adieu! (1892)

>>6190164
"Photographer Gregg Segal traveled to nine different countries and photographed children surrounded by everything they eat in a week.

Kawakanih Yawalapiti, 9, Upper Xingu region of Mato Grosso, Brazil, photographed August 19, 2018 in Brasilia. Kawakanih, a member of the Yawalapiti tribe, lives in Xingu National Park, a preserve in the Amazonian Basin of Brazil."

What do you think of this american beauty style photo of kuruminha?

>>6195078
it's a bit gay. pederasty seems to be men in love with boyhood. adieu. gay. gross.

>>6195080
shes too young. I immediately make the red band around eyes thing sexy.

picrel, the artist is from Denmark. here the little girl is fully clothed, the older one is hidden and the teenager shows her behind. the teenager actually manages more innocence than the girls in sorolla paintings

nude young women at the beach are the most beautiful reason humans have ever existed for

>>6195099
>I immediately make the red band around eyes thing sexy.
That's a "you" problem in this situation. Our presumably western lens doesn't apply and I presume Segal made that the point of some of this work. Especially juxtaposed with the rest of the series.

>>6195108
Would you feel comfortable with your 9 year old daughter posing like her for a photographer?

>>6195115
Were I Yawalpiti? Sure, it's not obscene or suggestive or especially exploitative. As I'm not Yawalpiti, sure for the same reasons. Your standards don't apply outside your little circle, I find this one exploitative.

>>6195108
ofc it's a 'me' problem. the little amazon girl seemed exotic, fetishized vs these kids who seem like the standard fat kid and the standard smart girl who wears converse with a sundress. its liveaction recess

contrast picrel w/-->>6195107, the little boys seem to struggle out of the water, strange amphibians, some primordial event. all the girls, no matter what age, are little women, little mothers, tending to bums and welcoming them at the shore. Sorolla was a strange, strange man.

>>6195119
The photographer is american, and by western standards the pose leans towards glamorous/sensual even if it's not intentional. Come on, you have to agree it is atleast a little weird

>>6195119
this is just mean

>>6195134
It looks shamelessly editorial to me, like some shit in a women's magazine, but I don't see some fetishistic glamor shot like you used to find in nat geo.

his gaze is obstructed by the presence of another, transferred unto the other little girl, sorolla is freed to view the child as a fuzzy little muddle as he watches them change, painting them in their dressing room so they can go engage in some bucolic wet t-shirt ritual.

>>6195115
The pose is fine, the dress is not.

Fug it, more Andrew S. Conklin.

Eduardo Zamacois y Zabala - The Wrong Moment

>>6190164
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>>6195311
creepy pedo vibes: the thread

>>6195333
retard.
The point is that Sorolla liked little girls. Dont sully my critiques w/ your glib personlessness.
Stupid gay faggot, fuck off

My favorite part about this thread is how subtle the real theme really is here. With OP talking about insights in peoples pysich. If those paintings were with adult women no one would consider to be pornographic or creepy, at least most wound't, they would as what it really is, artistic nudity, one of the most common themes in art even on the dark ages.

Is kinda interesting to see how the concept of pedophilia is so ingrained on the subconscious of certain cultures that even the mention of a child can be see as the thing independent of the context or how it's presented. If you want textbook examples of NPC's, the real deal were you kinda question if the person is really a person or how much of a personality they have I think this sort of behavior is a great example. Were someone is literally programmed to have a reaction to something through repetition and social pressure and despite probably fully being aware of how things should go, the facts and context they automatically go back to the standard of "x" is bad or "y" is good" like well trained dogs.

>>6195369
OP here, I dont consider them pornographic and creepy. there was a cfnm perv on here posting them and making them creepy.
my position is that Sorolla was a gynephile who wouldve cuto off his hand before he hurt a child, but, still, he found great beauty in young girls that might've stirred his subconscious.
and, also, you will receive no upvotes.
heres a staged photo from one of the most cynically self-exploited people on the planet. it is my favorite picture, pure beauty. art. and yes, I want to eat kourtney's ass

brian cumfarti is a pedo now?

this is a beautiful painting. artistic depiction of motherhood laid nude.
that I'd also stick my banana in her tailpipe detracts nothing

>>6195453
who?

>>6191674
You would be right, normally..BUT

...it depends on the artist. If this is like a one off painting that they did it would be one thing. Yet, if it's one in a plethora of works they did then it would be safe bet to call a spade a spade. Artists tend to focus on things that they are interested in so if you notice a pattern or they always focus on something in particular then safe to say that's their particular fetish.

This is why I think it's really dumb when people claim that art and politics don't mix, because art is a reflection of the artist's politics. People aren't going to create art of something they don't agree with or like.

>>6195468
>People aren't going to create art of something they don't agree with or like.
everyone has a price.

>>6190168
>>6195333
based
remove this crap mods

>>6195323
made for holding babies

their culture had little boys swim naked before adolescence. all females over five wore thin, cotton gowns. usually white or pink.
picrel is what happens to dark, flannel.

>>6195472
fuck off, retard
history is lewd and often criminal.
its about the fall from innocence

>>6195323
>>6195475
and making them.
that womb hits just right fr

>>6195465
Fantastic naturalist and realistic lighting in this thread. I always tend to use cartoony colors but I've never painted with oils...

>>6195646
I like this one, the sky/horizon is part of the sea. cant tell if its cartoony or not

>>6190949
i can ignore the pedoshit to appreciate his ability to basically draw a rainbow still make it look natural

men heading out to sea on horses. beautiful girl holds up clothes to dry little children. wont say why its lewd
>>6195324
footfag perfectly capturing modesty.
his palette has the shoes colors.

>>6195317
the waiters stance and everything else screams out 'pegging'. I'm sure I'm just projecting tho- no, no, this painting isnt about that at all.

>>6195682
Cartoony colors is likes this, the light is very stylized and studio like.

Gino Piccioni had an interesting style but not much online.

>>6195734
it's not pedoshit, there is no reason kids cant be naked when playing other than the miserable existence pedofuckers.
the wrong was in the weird was the way the valencians segregated them and robbed boys of dignity and girls of their childhood.
anyway here is regjne Olsen, shes from Denmark and may have been the loveliest woman who ever lived, the muse of an ethics and aesthetics that is perfectly shown by the frills lacing her bosom.
fucking beautiful thing, imagine if kierkegaard had gotten that? we'd be living in a very different world

>>6195925
im a lolicon and can see how they arent "sexual" but i still dont see the point of nudity in some pieces like >>6190164 and >>6190188, im pretty sure he just wanted to paint some naked little girls

>>6195925
esl as streetshit here
>>6195925
yeah, he loved naked little girls. I think he just thought they were beautiful

>>6195324
Oh vey.

>>6190164
Of course you can, just just like signatures.

>>6196160
sorolla was into femboys

>>6190164
No, no fucking way and you're retarded if you're considering it.

>>6196284
I will now study sorolla

>>6196286
he always paints little boys like halting, stopping amphibians growing out of the waters, some primordial creature, fungi like, growing out of the wetness into the sun. literal waterbabies.
here's one goddess of a little girl with a baby girl and you can see it more clearly. two ninas.

>>6196288
the most feminized boy I've seen. contrasted with homosexuals like Sargent. the rest of his males, when they're not weird preadolescent salamanders, are extremely academic and grim. that is how I would be, so I'm not judging him, just noticing

nothing more beautiful than nude women at the beach

women pose. children play and are awkward. sorollas girls are dressed but entirely too graceful for a 10 year old and the dress implies they have a female form. the boys seem to be digging in the dirt with their 'willies' and growing out of the beach like 'bums', laying there like they just drank a handle of mccormicks as civilization steps over them.

>>6197004
women are nature. men are industrial
beautiful painting. my new face

>>6197017
Have you seen his other paintings? He didn't paint just that theme.

for me sorolla is the painter of these cows in the water.

Didn't know about his little girl paintings until this thread

>>6197487
yes, I've studied all his paintings.

>>6197494
kek. have a Wonka bar

>>6197551
here we see a pubescent boy in heavy trunks. these were a conservative people dominated by men such as these --->>6194868, men who command bulls and never in cuckoldry, in nature- these are real men. the primacy of real men is the beauty of women laid bare all while in possession. women dressed like this -->>6193773, their bounty and the garden in full display.
these were conservative men. they didnt want a beachful of awkward boners. they wanted naked ladies.
this boy has agency, he works for a living, he is not a slave to society, he seeks profit

>>6197585
fucking Joaquin sorolla , everchad

>>6197585
yikes, women dressed like this was meant to be >>6193773, this is a woman. I got lost in thumbnails, sorolla in his thumb

>>6194880
why are there two tails?

Pedos will try to groom men into becoming pedos because they would otherwise be ostracized and hated.
They will try to blend into spaces, and the art field is contaminated with pedos saying "but it's for the art!" Or what other excuse works

God I fucking hate angloids

>>6197746
his entire culture was 'pedo'. Columbus's men's preferred age for native girls was ten. Adolf Schicklgruber married Klara when she was like 9. Valencia's golden age was Muslim. Boomers had a song, Ayesha by ABC. Read Lloyd Demause and James Demeo.
>>6197764
ooh wow man you're like voltaire, I bet you eat tafelspitz and go to sauna.
faggot

post more cunny
T_T

>>6198176
go to town

here we have more children playing at the beach. this is in chile. both the sexes are nekky and so it seems natural and wholly innocent. there is no reason they shouldn't be aside from predators. Europeans will agree and then have the men supposed to be protecting them laying face down, ass up like a total gaywad

here we have sorolla most famous painting. sad inheritance. a ravenous priest tends to a gaggle of syphilitic children, many of them crippled and/or defective.
contrast with the girl mothers, daughter mommies, that made sorolla a man as he painted them in their white/pink/skyblue gown as they tended to naked little savages

>>6198354
light, compassion, sympathy, pity

a little girl watches little boys struggle out of the sea, the sun beating down on them. her dress is offensive. she should be playing. she's the same age. the boys have zero dignity, little wretches who seem disoriented. queasy. befuddled.

>>6195952
>im a lolicon
Just say pedophile. Why make the term so PC?

>>6199592
because this isn't twitter

>>6199592
do pedophiles really love children?
raping them isnt very nice
i love little girls but sex just isnt in the vibe

>>6200472
Do you fap to loli porn? Then you absolutely would rape kids if there was an opportunity to do so. The only reason you don't is because you're scared of law. If it were legal, you absolutely would groom and fuck then without a second thought.

>>6200551
Not him but as someone who faps to loli porn and is actually attracted to young girls I wouldn't.
Any form of sexual intercourse regardless of age is repulsive to me and the only reason I consume pornography is because I've developed an addiction to it. If I could simply become asexual I would because sexual feelings just bring me discomfort and I have very little desire to act on them beyond the minimum necessary to make them go away (which I don't enjoy or want to do).
I realize I may be a rare case but still, people like me exist.
Your post is a bit like saying "if you fap to hentai of women with large breasts then you would absolutely rape a large breasted woman if given the opportunity to do so. The only reason you don't is because you're scared of the law."
If everyone who fapped to loli porn wanted to rape real children then I think rates of child molestation would be much higher given its popularity.

>>6200551
I don't fap to loli porn. I don't see children as sexual.
I do think little girls are beautiful tho, which is why I guess the Valencians had them wearing gowns at the beach. or maybe Sorolla just painted them as little women.
It freaks me out tho, why I made the thread. such an inversion