/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Today's challenge:

My attempt to replicate textures for hair and skin. Turned out right was digital so it was impossible to copy.

of fucking course it was you.

Reminder that you should know the rules before you break the rules.

Too many idiots here go straight into drawing anime girls without learning anatomy, foreshortening, volumetrics and basic shapes.

he's back

>>6197304
It's very obviously digital (the tone on the paper is extremely even, but the highlights are lighter than the tone, which is how you can tell without looking at the metadata btw), but that doesn't mean you can't get close with tradmed.

>>6197304
Artists have drawn portraits like that since forever, without the use of computers?

>>6197313
What is a white pencil

I'm so tired of drawing Loomis faces when do I get to draw anime girls

>>6197299
why do you keep removing the actually useful sticky to add your NEW STICKY bullshit?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

> > OP is a massive fag, once again

>>6197304
>>6197326

>>6197325
post za loomis heads and i will tell you exactly when, trust me i habbend to be a expert on this matter

>>6197323
No matter how smooth the paper is, you'd see the grain in either the toned section or the white section (generally both).

>>6197325
Once you draw loomis heads you're supposed to move onto Asaro heads silly

>>6197332
few first ones + sketch of my cat laying down on me
should I be doing these from imagination or is copying fine btw?

>>6197330
Thanks, I will try one more time. First of all though my pencil is too blunt to achieve the line weight, and sharpening the pencil never works out. I will try again though.

better call dog

>>6197329
I DID add that to the sticky two threads ago, but people bitched about having it there because of some discord drama.
Go complain to them, not me you stupid fucking faggot.

>>6197313
>>6197319
>replying to esdeathschizo
Sm h

I feel like I shouldn't be trying to learn from this as a total beginner

>>6197353
yeah i think you should start with fwap or dab

>>6197325
>>6197340
>he fell for the beg trap

>>6197356
I genuinely do not know if you're serious or not. This general gets too autistic about those 2.

>>6197358
>dab
soulless
>fwap
kino

>>6197353
Morpho is not a beginner book, he assumes you've already dabbled in figure drawing. You should start with Vilppu for a beginner friendly figure drawing course.

>>6197364
Thanks man. I skimmed through a few pages and I'm 100% coming back to this sometime in the future, looks like a great book.

>>6197347
I'd rather have a complete sticky with a useless discord link i won't ever click than having a worthless incomplete sticky.

call me crazy

Anyone else think darker values look shit?

>>6197367
I completely agree. But it's a damned if I do and damned if I don't situation. I guarantee the moment I add it back in 50% of the thread will be filled with nothing but bitching about some retarded discord link. The ONLY reason I've avoided adding the link is because it's already the pinned sticky for the board, so it's not hard to miss anyways.

>>6197364
why not huston?

>>6197370
way too dark on the shadow side of the face

>>6197373
because I've never read Huston, go for it my man.

>>6197377
>because I've never read Huston
You should.

>>6197370
Shadows help to give drawings a sense of depth. Can it be overdone? Sometimes. If I had to get rid of any value in a picture, I would drop the midtone.

dark values are fucking COOL I LOVE dark values if there were one dark value fan that would be ME if there were no more dark value enjoyers I would be DEAD.

>>6197340
iirc loomis gives some examples like number 1 on thios pic, the point of those potato heads is for you to create then with these simple forms, ie some balls, you are supposed to be doing your own even if it doesn't say so in the page, once you understand that basic concept, you can use these things to deconstruct shit into simple forms and create your own shit, since anime bitches are based on real human beans you gonna need to grind anatomy and adapt that anatomy into big anime tiddies so you are need to masted this shit if you want to stylize it

>>6197372
>it's already the pinned sticky for the board
looks like it's not >>1579290

whatever, that means that for some reason there are 4 or more sticky links circulating

>>6197396
fun with a pencil is trash, lmao

>>6197403
and your opinion is too until you post your werk

>>6197308
You can't make me.

>>6197398
I could swear that was the same sticky. Guess I'll add the doc in the next thread. If retards start complaining just ignore them I guess, the fucktards need to know how not to click on a discord link if it bothers them so much.

>>6197405
based rules are made to be broken chad

>>6197405
>drappery.exe stopped working
>anatomy.dll not found

>>6197405
Why does it seem like all the fast improvers skip fundies and go straight to drawing?

stay out of /co/ nosebro, lmfao

>>6197405
>feet

oh nononononnono

>>6197418
feet hard

>>6197405
Isayama is that you?

Honey lemon?

>>6197427
How did you know what I was drinking.

whatever

>>6197433
>box/ball grinders be like

>>6197348
Don't worry, I've learned better than to give him actual advice. I'll always state facts that make him feel bad, though. Worst case scenario nothing happens, best case he leaves again.

>>6197433
this is what happens when you don't grind gestures.

>>6197434
>>6197441
one thing at a time

Will try to draw the turtle and Dragonfly later, hopefully.
Quick something else I did, major mistakes noted and there were quite a few.

does anyone have any artist recommendations for learning how to draw noses and mouths?
David Finch is good but I'm looking for more methods to study

>>6197493
It'd probably be easier to study if you picked a reference that wasn't covered in lines.

>>6197529
true lol, I was retarded with that ref and accidentally drew the lines on the same layer as the picture

I'm having a lot of trouble with cylinders

>>6197353
I could never find a decent Morpho download

>accidentally make a one-inch gash in the side of my left finger while working with a mechanical pencil
A DUMBASS TO RIVAL CIRNO???

Why does a lot of comic art have this huge gap between the pecs and abs? I know about the "greek arch" formed by the first set of abs but this looks huge even for that.

>>6197668
to make him look heroic

>>6197347
Just add it next time

First - I posted this in another thread but never got any responses. Please crit the shading, I'm working on it.

Second - How did you guys learn to draw your backgrounds? Just studying irl backgrounds, I presume? Need some guidance there.

>>6197343
Genuenely thought its loli crouching named with backpack first time i saw thumbnail

>>6197831
Naked i meant

>>6197340
Friend, might I recommend a perspective course to you
https://creatureartteacher.com/product/perspective-drawing-with-aaron-blaise/
I'm no god at art, I'm not even good, but more than anything else, your faces just kinda feel flat
I can vouch for this course being a really good intro that's also good for people with no attention spans. Aaron is just a really charming guy and he knows his shit

>>6197665
Based Cirno Chad
Also, unironically how

>>6197370
youre forgetting Rembrants Triangle anon

>>6197405
>those feet
>hiding hands
>soulless legs

sorry for big image, i got it from a video.
how do i analyze something like this? it feels like the horizon line is below the bottom of the image. is this just 3 point perspective and am i dumb, or is it just some sort of high level use of 2 point perspective?

>>6197923
Are you retarded?
Finding vanishing points isnt exactly rocket science
>then do it
Im not doing it for you.

>>6197928
hoe.

>>6197931
so anyways, it just feels like three point, i guess?

>>6197937
mostly 2 point(?) but it seems like the lines going up will eventually converge.
also whoops did not mean to schizo post twice in a row

>>6197353
>>6197356
>>6197364
THanks for voicing your concerns with the sticky. I added some more info to the faq.

Everyone, please read the collaborative sticky and give me your criticisms / thoughts, I want to improve it and I have blind spots

>>6197300
"lol", said the Turtle, "lmao".

>>6197957
i took a look at the sticky and now it just definitely will overwhelm most prebegs, it was better a few days ago when it was very little text and just pointing to resources
>Consider investing in a drawing board or a drawing desk
that is going to mean absolutely nothing to someone starting out, and even most people that do end up reaching /int/
>Work on BIG paper. Forget about those A4 sheets you have lying around
pretty much anything will do if you're prebeg; again just overwhelms because "oh i have to buy things to start off? nope"

the bulletpoint resources are fine, but there's a lot of walls of text and personal aspects that'll filter people from the moment they open that tab

>>6197968
you're right, I was emulating the /fit/ sticky when I was writing that. I'll put a disclaimer at the beginning

Nobody reads stickies anyways. Just add a tldr in the OP
>how do I git gud
>just draw lmao
>what materials do I need
>Literally anything works
If you disagree pyw and prove me right

>>6197665
>get a papercut
>don't notice it
>bleed all over my sketchbook like a retard
I'm up there with you in the retardation department

>>6197493
Most artists will draw the nose in a similar way: start with a keystone shape and refine into planes from there.

This video may help break this process down a bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0zWyIEjN0

>>6197978
pretty much, which is why if there is a sticky it should follow that structure of
>want to draw?
>learn shapes in 3d
>how to learn?
>check these resources out, now go and do it
all the "you should get a drawing desk, buy this specific paper, hold the pencil in this way, purchase these elite drawing pens and pencils" is just going to discourage

>when you don't have the patience to spend more than 5 minutes on a drawing and you get bored if you have to draw the same thing twice
ngmi :(((((

>>6197704

>>6197785
where is the direct light coming from? above?
As for background I suggest you watch others do it like james gurney, he has a youtube.

>>6197978
>>6197989
well i feel like a fool. Oh well, what's written is written. you guys do whatever

>>6198015
i made a curriculum i will follow based on your figure drawing section :)

>>6198027
i wish you all the big gains you deserve :D

Any opinions on this book?

>>6197978
I read stickies :(

>>6198062
gmi!

>>6197668
he used a body builder ref sucking in his stomach and expanding his ribcage like a retard

>>6198075
wrong, the angle is viewed from below to he just exaggerated the plane change from the rib cage to the stomach
begs like you need more bridgman or hampton in your lives

>3 years later and the best drawing I ever made was made 2 weeks after I first starting learning
See you in a couple of months/years when I once again delude myself into thinking drawing is something I can get good at

Wanted to draw more gutsos but i ran out of time

>>6197299
Did you have to put a loli as the OP image? I fucking hate this board

>>6198184
cooming is 90% of the reason most of the degenerates here want to learn how to draw

>>6198185
nta but it's fucking depressing to see

>>6198091
Let me guess you barely touched a pencil all this years and never studied anthing

>>6198184
>loli
>literally some fucking goblin judging from it's proportions
yeah tranniegers i wish you death

>>6197299
My shitty attemp of fanart is the op image... Huh. I don't know how to feel about this..

Are people here only interested in figure drawings? Because it's pretty much the only thing I see posted. Though I guess figure drawing is a good way to develop fundies as it requires precision and knowledge, and it's easier to spot mistakes.

Am I missing something?
Why are draw threads now called beg and int? isn't that what draw threads used to be anyway?

>>6198245
All generals are joke now
Same 3 anons post in each and every thread basically
If you'll make draw thread begs will create another thread and then ints will post there anyway so the loop repeats
And yeah board is dying aparantly so there is not much people here anyway

>>6198251
/ic/ has always been one of the smaller boards. 4chan isn't really the first thing that pops into someones head if they want to learn art or share artworks.

>>6197300

>>6198260
it's been way more populated back in the day atleast it felt like it

Should I copy Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy or his Complete guide to Drawing from Life?

>>6198267
zoomers only use their phones to access the internet now; most of the people posting on 4chan are just smartphone normalfags that only browse /v/, /pol/ and /tv/

>>6198272
The "Complete guide" is a compilation of the best of all of his books. Constructive Anatomy was the first book Bridgman published. Basically, it doesn't matter what you copy, I think you should copy both, and all the rest of his books. If you're following the David Finch guide, copy the "Complete guide"

Copying random images freehand is referencing or tracing?

>>6198297
referencing

>>6197299

>>6197299
daaaaaamn someone's really been going to work on the collab sticky

>>6198311
i couldn't help it. What will I do when someone comes along and deletes all of it? I'll have a heart attack. But still, im not a god and I think someone better should come along and edit out my errors

>>6198330
it doesn't need deleting, just the first part about equipment does, the rest just needs to be reduced and condensed so it fits a more bulletpoint style and can easily be digested and send prebegs on their way

>>6198282
soul but also shit at the same time.
Weird.

>>6198333
hmm. I didn't write that part, so I didn't want to delete it. I might edit it though

Why does it seem like every course and book tells you to not use a tripod grip, yet the majority of videos of people drawing all use the tripod grip or something similar? Same with drawing from the shoulder. 90% of the time they only use fingers, wrist and elbow.

>>6198359
art school fever. People who are telling you to do that are very conservative with their art. When in doubt, look at what great artists do, and emulate that

>>6198359
It all depends on how big the drawing surface is. Most of the drawing video people are only using copy paper or a journal. If you are using a canvas or canvas size paper it is better to draw with your shoulder.

I can't draw my own hand.
Note: I have barely begun with Keys to Drawing.
Is this normal? Will I get better if I keep at it? Should I stick to the same exercise until I get it, or would it be better to go at it a few times, move on, and come back to it later?

>>6198381
yes people are not that good when they start, just go through the book once and move on to a different book or video course.

>>6197340
Perspective.
The sticky is a trap.
Perspective first before anything else.
How are you supposed to see if you can't see?

Some andy loomis, trying to finish fun with a pencil this week after months of procrastinating

>>6197340
based loomischad, and yea, you're supposed to copy some, do more from imagination and apply the construction method to make your own faces in whatever style you want (such as animu ones)

>>6198381
I added this just for you <3 Please let me know if you're still confused or need more info

>>6198392
>Some andy loomis, trying to finish fun with a pencil this week after months of procrastinating
Congratulations on literally making no progress because that is a literal beg trap, lmfao.

>>6198381
>I can't draw my own hand
hands are one of the most annoying things to draw, even if you do know how to draw, people still struggle; they even can look weird and "wrong" even if they're correct

>>6198330
that website has version control. there is no risk of losing anything.

>draw from your imagination!

>>6198407
if you're the admin, you need to help with that, cuz i have no idea how the site works, lol. I just copied your code for adding images and stuff. If version control is automatic, coolio

>>6198333
t. coping digitalcuck

The equipment part should absolutely stay. Begs shouldn't be anywhere near the digital workspace until they grasp the fundamentals on paper.

>>6198381
ngmi even a 4 year old can perfectly replicate their hand even on their first try

>>6198412
do you not understand what version control means?

i did not create that link, but it's really not difficult to figure out.

>>6198401
pyw

>>6198413
>The equipment part should absolutely stay.
spending hundreds of dollars on a fucking desk will not make you better at drawing

>>6197299
>https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q

>the sticky is now recommending a fucking mechanical pencil

>>6198413
not being as good doesn't mean you're unable to make it

>>6198401
mad? I'm reading scott robertson and doing a perspective course as well, I just wanted to finish FWAP on principle since I started it long ago and never got through it. Sorry I am having fun drawing bro

>I'm going to complain abou the sticky, yet do nothing about it despite it being collaborative
everyone who does this needs to kys

>>6198421
who said anything about a desk?

an angle-adjustable drawing board you put on your desk costs $30 at most. it also makes drawing from reference far better experience as you can angle the canvas directly toward your line of vision. It's also significantly better for back/neck posture.

>>6198403
It doesn't help that I was trying to draw my hand in a pose like this. Freeing my mind to draw from observation is really hard!

>>6198428
>>6198422
>who said anything about a desk?
earlier the very first sentence was saying you should buy a drawing desk, should buy and only use A3 paper, and some other nonsense about equipment i can't remember

>>6198433
It said:

>* Consider investing in a drawing board or a drawing desk

You fucking idiot, lmfao.
Also, A3 and bigger paper is an absolutely good idea. Why shouldn't you aim for bigger paper? More space is always better, especially while you're learning.

>>6198435
>random anon comes to /ic/
>sees the beginner thread
>checks out the post meant to help them get started
>very first sentence is telling them they should buy a fucking desk
>following sentence tells them that the paper they have isn't worth using
you are a genuine retard and it's evident you wrote that nonsense

>>6198422
just keeping the materials as simple as possible. You know beginners don't need to draw with charcoal pencils

>>6198437
>very first sentence is telling them they should buy a fucking desk
What compels you to lie all the time, idiot? You're clearly some kind of mentally unstable, compulsive liar.

>>6198438
Except a mechanical pencil cannot draw expressive lines. It's literally the opposite of what you should be doing gesture drawing with.

The average person is far more likely to have 2B pencils lying around, which are a far better choice than a mechanical pencil.

>>6198435
>Also, A3 and bigger paper is an absolutely good idea. Why shouldn't you aim for bigger paper? More space is always better, especially while you're learning.
The sticky is there to give the bare minimum you need to progress. Of course you could always optimize your setup further and further. We all wish we had Kim Jung Gi over our shoulders, correcting our mistakes. But that's not an option for everyone, and making them buy bigger paper and drawing boards is only going to confuse people when they see Akitio Yoshitomi drawing with colored pencils in a sketchbook

>learn to draw basic shapes in perspective
>use those skills to design a simple adjustable table
>find free/cheap materials on the internet
C'mon guys. You're supposed to be the creative sort. It won't be perfect, but it'll cost a few bucks instead of hundreds.

>>6198443
>making them buy bigger paper
>when the sticky clearly said "consider" buying A3
Idiot.

Why does your small brain have difficult distinguishing between a condition and a recommendation?

>>6198439
i even mentioned it earlier when someone else mentioned the page >>6197968

>>6198440
I linked some videos in the collab sticky that explain how to use mechanical pencils when drawing. They're more than enough for "expressiveness". Besides, beginners need to worry about drawing a structural human first, before having expressive lines

>>6198448
What does that have to do with you being a mentally unstable idiot who feels the need to lie on the internet?

>>6198440
that said, 2b pencils are perfectly fine. Use whatever you want.

>>6198446
I left your advice in when I wrote in my figure drawing guide, I thought it was fine, but people were telling me to delete it. Why don't you add it in again, except near the end? It doesn't need to be the first thing people see, especially if they're 100% new.

>>6198450
>Besides, beginners need to worry about drawing a structural human first
Hmmm... who to trust?

Vilppu, Huston, Hampton, Eviston, Loomis and just about every other figure drawing instructor who say an expressive gesture drawing is the first and most important step in drawing the figure... or you... an anonymous poster on /ic/...

>>6198451
>write a bunch of stupid shit
>everyone points out that it's stupid shit
>"NOOOO YOU'RE LYING"
kekd

>>6198456
>get exposed for being blatantly wrong and desperately lying
>"y-you just wrote a bunch of stupid shit! and everyone is pointing you out!!1"
You're such a sad little idiot. Evidently you're quite illiterate too. Probably a downy.

I fucking hate you people so much

>>6198455
>expressive gesture drawing
That's important, and I wrote that into the guide. You're talking about expressive lines, which is completely different.

>>6198460
Indeed, why would an expressive gesture drawing need expressive lines?

>>6198463
i don't think you understand what you're talking about

>>6198458
your retardation was so evident that another person removed that entire section

>>6198468
>no argument
No problem, idiot. Next time try not to tell fibs on the internet.

why the fuck are you fucking nigger faggots shitting up the thread about someone writing something in a COLLABORATIVE sticky instead of just fixing it
fucking end yourselves

>>6198469
>"p-pls buy a desk too so i don't feel like a retard that got scammed"

Currently studying from ctrl+paint's basic rendering course. Any critiques?

>another episode of retards crying about the sticky

Hello anons, I tried to construct the head but the result is weird. Is the skull too large ? Are the eyes not aligned ?

>>6198480
damn! looking good anon!

>>6198459
love you too

>>6197493
your fundamental construction was wrong (the head you drew wasn't as turned as the one in the reference)

>>6197299

took several months break from drawing and didn't retain what i practiced from and can only trace babes. back to square one.

>>6198549
Why not skip the effort of bothering to waste your time and ours and just flagellate yourself with barbed wire instead of tracing and posting it?

>>6198554

pyw

>>6197996
I was trying to make a sun point lighting from all around, but I just realized I only focused on the shading but not the brights. And I'll check him out

>>6198239
You just answered yourself. It's good exercise.

>the general literally cannot compromise on how begs should start learning
>every new sticky has a trillion problems

POST WHAT YOU'RE DRAWING RIGHT NOW
YOU ARE DRAWING, RIGHT? RIGHT???

>>6198480
shadow color of the crease should match the shadow color of the cube. On the reference they almost kind of blend together into a singe shape, but on your picture crease is extra dark on the shadow side.

>>6198582
Please tell me what you dislike about the collab sticky. I'll fix it (or you can fix it yourself)

>begs writing guides for other begs

>>6198184
She's not a loli.

>>6198602
>/beg/
>actually drawing
lmao

I'm about 3/4 of the way through keys to drawing. This exercise is meant to practice hair. I also used it as an excuse to practice shading and some of the krita tools like airbrush, opacity, and erasing. Not too pleased with how the shading came out, but I think the lines turned out alright.

>>6198508
I think the two biggest mistakes are the near eye and the brow.

Here is a ref somewhat similar to your pose and you can see the close eye almost reaches the ear, and the brow is very pronounced.

>>6198679

>>6198689
top kek

>>6198602
I just got home. I'm about to pass out. I'll draw after my nap.

Here's the 30 second sketch I was going to shitpost anon with but decided I fucked it up too badly to post.

>>6198689
Lmao

>>6198602
No, I'm at the "this shit looks digusting" part of the painting process.

>>6198602
Back to drawing heads.

>>6198526
I thought I had it almost spot on, I guess I can see how the right side of the face is a bit wider than the reference
>>6197986
thanks fren, I'll give it a watch. The video about noses from Angel Ganev was really helpful, hopefully by the end of the day I'll be able to post some somewhat decent heads with noses

Random sketches before i go to draw cute anime girls

>>6198751
The top left one is stellar anon, good work!

>>6198771
Fuck forgot pic

Hows my study of nosebro?

Discoverd vanishing points yesterday and this seems quite useful

>>6198797

>>6198797
Accuracy is bad but you captured his Quasimodo-esque essence.

>>6198773
Thank

>>6198602

>>6198797
holy kek I need the lore of that image

>>6198602
I usually draw in the evenings currently cus I live in a tent and it's always either raining or blisteringly hot during the day.

>>6198854
>cus I live in a tent
based comfy /out/doorsman drawing to the gentle pattering of rain on his tent

Hello begs, this last chapter is really third eye opening but i wont lie i will be glad when its finally over. This shit is way above my skill level anyway

>>6198679
Anon... that chapter said that each stroke has to be made by intent and with care. I dont believe that the top of the zoomer head was done with intent. Where are the strands? What the fuck happened to that hair texture?
>>6198549
Well a lot of anons warn begs to not take the tracing pill. Its like hard drugs and its really tough to shake off that bad habit. It produces fast impressive results (compared to whatever begs do by copying) but also it stunts the art gains
>>6198381
1. You didnt PYW, 2. even the book itself says that you shouldnt expect your hand to look like anything like hand because its fucking hard and only very few students manage to produce results which looks like hand, 3. less thinking more drawing
>>6198359
It matters jack shit how you are holding the pen / stylus as long as you dodge carpal tunnel. I recommend getting pen gripper (tool for children to teach them proper grip) and put a little higher than for writing on your pen for mad wrist gains
>>6198251
If you want to see how actual dead board looks like, check /i (drawing but weebs edition)
>>6198015
Dont listen to retards, stickies are typically the only value 4chan offers no matter the board. As long as OP post links to it somebody will read it. Before i started i read both ic and beg stickies. Thats how i determined keys to drawing is the go to book: it was recommended by BOTH of them
>>6197785
Anon i am sorry but i dont see ANY shading, just fur texture. And backgrounds why yes, keys to drawing have whole chapter about that, called pattern and design

>>6198856
more like based pedo enjoyer hiding from feds

Trying stuff

Can someone explain what Scott Robertson meant by this?

What the fuck is top view? This is literally a couple of pages in and it's the first time top view is mentioned.

How do i do this? What does this even mean? I'm so confused

>>6198926
What exactly in words "set of parallel lines meet at the horizon" is so hard to understand to you
Picture literally just illustrating in
Top view is how our eyes/camera process 2d picture of 3d world

>>6198932
>Top view is how our eyes/camera process 2d picture of 3d world
What???

>>6198926
ignore the "top view" thing and just follow the parallel line until they meet in the background and there's your vanishing point

>>6198936
How do i construct the top view???

>>6198940
Then why did he write top view? There has to be a reason

>>6198941
Alright if so retarded just ignore that image like other anon said
you don't need that

>>6198949
it's to show you where your viewpoint/camera is that's why there's a little eye there

>>6198952
Oh. So it's like... view from the top of how we would perceive it irl?

>>6198952
anon... you are right but it's not an eye it's human standing

>>6198953
yes
>>6198954
I can't tell man it's a picture for ants on my 4k screen

>>6198961
I fucking hate this shitty book already. How is a person supposed to know that when they're just learning to draw when he doesn't even bother explaining it beforehand?

>>6198964
For me picture is self-explanotory desu didn't have the same probem is you

>>6198961
Anon, how am i supposed to find the station point? The book doesn't say

>>6198678
Thank you~ Your ref was very helpful, and the face looks better now ;>
Next time, I will take time to pick a ref

Is this shitty book a fucking meme?

He doesn't explain at all how to combine the images. Where does he get the station point from for a 2d image?

>>6198992
What's not to understand?

>>6198992
Ngmi

>>6198678
I forgot to post the work

>>6198992
I guess you have iq of a nigger otherwise i can't see what there is not to understand

\>>6198994
How the fuck does he find the station point? WHERE THE FUCK does it appear from if you can't draw the box without finding the vanishing points and you can't find those without the station point THAT YOU CAN'T FUCKING HAVE WITHOUT THE FUCKING TOP VIEW THAT CAN'T FUCKING EXIST WHEN YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING A 2D Drawing

I'm so confused

>>6198998
kill yourself, desu

>>6198999
I literally do not understand how you're having trouble with this. You just place the station point and find the vanishing points.

>>6198999
SP is literally you looking at object nigger

>>6198992
Gmi, but I skipped that chapter as it's explaining how camera perspective works in a really convoluted way. The important takeaway is that the picture plane or station point is a location in space that determines where the horizon lines appear to be and that field of view affects perspective.

>>6199001
...

Do i seriously just randomly place it anywhere i want? I don't have to base the angles off anything to find it? Is that fucking it?

>>6199006
I don't understand the question, what you draw is based on where you place the perspective points.
Why would it matter where you place it?

>>6198992
It always bugged me he called his very specialized, hyper-autistic perspective book "how to draw" as if it's in the same category as a Mark Kistler book or something.

>>6199007
>Why would it matter where you place it?
I DON'T KNOW, ANON, I DON'T KNOW. He doesn't say what i'm supposed to do. It doesn't say that i can place the station point anywhere i want.

He's explaining it in the most convoluted way possible

don't know how you're on page 24 if you don't understand that or how you managed to turn the page.

>>6199014
>why would I be able to do anything I want in a drawing I'm creating
maybe drawing isn't for you...

>>6199014
anon you LITERALLY pick the views and angles yourself for drawings

>>6199017
>>why would I be able to do anything I want in a drawing I'm creating
Kill yourself you dumb fucking cunt

HE'S EXPLAINING A FUCKING ALGORYTHM WITHOUT ACTUALLY FUCKING TELLING YOU THE STEPS. WHO THOUGHT THIS SHITTY BOOK WAS A GOOD IDEA?

Now the boring part of rendering begins

>>6197299
First time going into pixel art.

>>6199001
>You just place the station point and find the vanishing points.
But he says to use the view from the top. How the fuck am i supposed to drag the parallel lines until the intersect the station point if if he doesn't fucking explain how to MAKE THE FUCKING TOP VIEW

>>6199023
I can explain this, but I'm going to need some help as I'm not at my computer or tablet at this time. The angle of view on this image should be roughly 41 degrees.

>>6199031
unless he doesn't
as anons above said top view just demonstrates how our brain see2d projection of 3d world

>>6199036
>unless he doesn't

but he does, anon

>>6198999
Ok so. Imagine your image. if you look bellow the horizon, you're looking at the ground, right? Well the SP in your image would be the point where you're looking straight down. (Usually not in the image because the human cone of view is too narrow to be able to see the horizon and your feet at the same time.)

>>6199040
HHOW DO I MAKE THE TOP VIEW AND COMBINE IT, SCOTT?!

>>6199040
i see
your small brain cannot process what is he trying to show you
just close the book and go learn something simply
start with solving 2x2 rubicks cube for example

>>6199041
>Ok so. Imagine your image
I can't imagine images in my head, anon. This is why i'm trying to learn construction.

>>6198992
god I wish I knew math

>>6199034
So, given the angle of view and where the vanishing points converge, one could find the exact position that I took the photo.

>>6197416
Because fundamentals are important, but if you're grinding fundamentals an hour a day, your early progress will be dwarfed by non-fundies who grind 5 hours a day.

Fundamentals will raise your ceiling and help you get through roadblocks in your progress, but especially at beg to int, nothing beats drawing every fucking day, and putting in as many hours as you possibly can. Even if you never focus on fundamentals, you can get them grinded into your brain without even noticing it with enough practice and work attempting to replicate fundamentally-sound works. You won't even think you did fundamentals, but you just did it the slower and hard way.

That is, autistic work ethic beats everything else, but fundamentals will give you the best bang for your buck as far as your time goes and will give you tools to help avoid a hard plateau like you see a lot of artists hit (think video game webcomic artists).

>>6199053
Were I helpful enough to include an overhead view. You can literally do the same thing in Photoshop with the compass tool.

Okay, fuck that book

This nigger explains it so much better and actually shows you where the station points should be when you want to have a certain angle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsbzCHLsQuQ&t=236s

HOW FUCKING HARD WAS THAT, SCOTT?

>>6198992
Scott Robertson is not a beginner friendly teacher. Start with Perspective made easy before touching this book.

>>6199068
THEN WHY WOULD THIS DUMB FUCKING NIGER NAME HIS BOOK HOW TO DRAW

>>6199069
i ll be honest with you anon the only dumb nigger here is you

>>6199069
Skip to the next chapter, you know you can do that right? Right?

>>6199074
Fucking get genocided you subhuman fuck you and fuck your entire family fucking kill yourself

>>6199075

Part where he constructs grids in perspective requires this knowledge

>>6199076
>Hahaha I'm so mad I don't understand euclidean geometry, I sure am funny.

>>6199069
Because you need to know perspective before anything else. You need to learn perspective in order to actually draw anything you want, nothing really comes before perspective except line control. The issue with Scott is his books come across as very technical for people who haven't drawn before. Start with perspective made easy or look up Eric Olsen if you want an extremely detailed and hand by hand on how perspective is mapped out.
>>6199074
>>6199078
Actually kill yourself you shitposting faggot.

>>6199078
oh, so you're just chimping out now. Okay nigger, here's a last (you)

>>6199081
>Start with perspective made easy or look up Eric Olsen if you want an extremely detailed and hand by hand on how perspective is mapped out.

Thank you anon. This whole station point stuff got me really mad.

>>6199077
It's not really an issue for the most part and the later chapters build a better understanding of it.. If you're still not understanding it, locate >>6199057
>>6199034
In space using the same principles, you may have to rotate the map and correct horizons on the photo, but that's a valuable lesson in itself. 40 degrees sounds right for the FoV. Hope you have Photoshop, you're going to need layers.

I don't get it

>>6199087
Find where the lines meet on the bottom and it's near enough to where I was standing. Draw a 40 degree angle from that point on the map with the center pointed where the photo is centered and it will line up with the photo.

>>6199082
>throw a temper tantrum
>accuse someone calling you out on acting like a literal child of "chimping out"
classic room temperature IQ move

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZa1KKDZW5M

For anyone else that might be confused about how the station point and how to create a cone of vision with a specific degree

Once you have the 60 degree arc, extend it until it goes through your horizon line. Points created by the the arc extending from the station line is where your circle should touch.

>>6199088
>>6199087
Assuming you did it right, I'm working on a good buzz, that's why I said I'd need help lel.

>>6199061
you won't really learn completely new things the first go
after getting additional exposure to some info it starts to click with you

this is far from done but it's taken... 7 hours... 7 hours... i could've done so much more with a stylus... I'm so tired of using my fingers anons. I'm so tired, but I can't buy a stylus because I'm poor now. hah. and i have to get this done soon bc it's for a trend, I need to follow trend for follows, for follows for commissions because I need money.

This is the best page ive done as of late. Inking really hard, Im trying to teach myself. (Ive posted the same thing on another, less recent board, but I thought I might as well post it here too)

>>6199117
that is the physical embodiment of the lip licking sound. I mean that in the best way possible.

>>6199115
Trend hopping isn't gonna pay off until you get good. Have you considered getting a day job in the meantime? Desk/office work is easy af, a lot of places you don't even end up working most of the day. You shouldn't go into art from the beginning hoping to make it a career, and certainly shouldn't expect it to work that way.

>>6198894
Thanks for always posting, anon. I find your daily posts inspiring and it makes me want to practice.

>>6199123
I'm good enough for this to not be bad. This isn't my usual art anyways, it's supposed to be simple and cute. I don't have a job bc I'm 18 and moving out for college this September where I'll get a job. It's not like I'll stave haha I have common sense. I don't expect a lot but the only things I've posted, what I posted, the most popular has used audio from reels (instagram). Twitter isn't much better. Deviantart is useless so I use Instagram.

>>6197300
I love these prompts thread-anon, good refs.

Here is my take

Single layer 1h limitjvtwpv

>the perspective worshiping eric olsen autist posts in beg
pottery

>>6199143
filtered

>>6199142
really cute actually.

>>6199154
do you even draw

>>6199160
do you?

Anyone know where I can get the Krenz Accuracy exercises at?

>>6199095
can you come back when you aren't buzzed and tell me if I did it right

>>6199169
Maybe. Perspective has more than one meaning. I don't even know where I was standing but I was there in a sense. I'm now in a mood where technical perspective doesn't matter.

>>6199081
>nothing really comes before perspective except line control
Let's be honest, can't you learn line control while you work on perspective? It's kinda boring to worry about how straight your lines are.

>>6197299
Thank you master Loomis for another day of practice.

>>6199178
And I do mean that in a grander perspective sense. This painting is on hinges.

>>6199186
There's an outer face you're intended to see before you delve into the work.

>>6199180
Most people will crutch themselves with rulers while learning perspective, it's too much to juggle if you're bad at both.

>>6197340
wheres your construction

tried to paint and its so hardd im sobbbing and peeing

>>6198181
Looking good bro. I will draw some Guts later

>>6199256
It's a little too dard but otherwise looks pretty good. Keep trying man.

>>6199189
But what if you don't use the rulers? What if you simply make do with your shitty wobbly lines until you get better and they aren't as wobbly?
I got burned out from line control in the past.

>>6199299
Nothing stopping you from doing that, but your perspective drawings might suffer from it if you can't draw naturally straight lines.

I don't CARE about figure drawing.

Where are the resources for environments and backgrounds?
Perspective is useless, tell me how to paint fucking underwater shit and render glass objects.

NEW THREAD:
>>6199315
>>6199315
>>6199315

>>6199301
Never said they would look their best, but I found after a while I was drawing a line for the sake of drawing a line and lost sight of where that line was meant to lead me.

>>6199310
me too

>>6199310
>tell me how to paint fucking underwater shit
Well, first you're going to need an oxygen tank or a very long snorkel.

>>6197992
saved, thank you