/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Today's Draw Challenge:

>>6193375
The image mogs me, and makes me insecure. I was wanting to post, but now I'm not going to...

>>6193381
Same.

>>6193375
Good job OP you scared the little retards

>>6193375
It's only getting worse for me

>>6193377
>challenge

>>6193377
lel the faggot that sells those packs posted on cgp that people should support him and not steal then got banned and that retard didnt even realize he outed himself as a pirate because how else would he know?

im still just starting with pencil and sketch pad

is it ok if i move the sketchpad around to make easier lines and stuff, or is it a better habit to keep it stationary in one spot?

Reposting because flowers love!

>>6193393
Moving it around is a good habit, but you should practice making marks in all directions anyway. Most of the time you'll be able to rotate your drawing surface and you should in theory make marks from the most comfortable and consistent position (generally somewhere with a diagonal between bottom left and top right for righthanded drawing) when possible, but you might end up painting on a static canvas on an easel at some point or something so it's good to be versatile. We aren't really built to make all kinds of motions with our hands on a 2D plane, so it can be very difficult to draw lines in certain directions.

can someone show me the shadow shape for top left, i don't think mine's correct

>>6193389

Lmao, i want to read it, what's the torrent called?

>>6193381
He mogs you because he's a concept artist who has been drawing for 10 years and comes to /beg/ and r/learnart to flex.

>>6193452
/beg/ I get because of the retarded board culture but I'm certain there are more fitting reddits to post in than one for actual beginners.

>>6193455
You're dumb too

>>6193381
Anon he is not even that good
Why care so much

I think there is my limit especially when my potato laptop can't even work with painting brushes without lagg and I never has painted, so here's I think is the first try.

I love drawing so much bros

>>6193458
Pyw

>>6193438
idk, but i think the core shadow of the one on the right is in the wrong spot, light from the surface should bounce onto the part facing the surface, and the darkest part should be the area facing away from the table. i guess it depends on the lighting of the room

>>6193481
pyw

>>6193438
Draw a cylinder starting from the sphere and see where it intersects the floor?

>>6193487
PYW

>>6193438
ahhh help me bros if I stare at images like this for too long they collapse into symbols and I can't conceptualize copying them

>>6193485
i did multiple times i do in almost every thread and i can get the same replies like "anon stop posting here its beg thread go in generals" or "stop demotivating me"

>>6193492
post it faggot

i cant draw these shapes lol

>>6193497
Sure take a look

>>6193502
Not being able to do something is a prerequisite for learning it

worked on this for a bit, had to turn it upside down because my eyes were growing over it, now I like it this way?
also アクションポーズ is a fun book if you ignore all the faces

>>6193399
nice flawa

>>6193473
Pretty good, the Maxilla is too low on the skull though.

Anyone complaining about someone drawing better than you is never going to make it.
You should be inspired and strive to draw as well as your peers. You being jealous is a display of your own inferiority.

>>6193526
STFU FAGET

>>6193375
Why do /ic/ fags still think it's a good idea to keep all the beginners in one thread? How does that make sense?

>>6193526
It's disingenuous for a person with a decade of experience to compete and be compared to people with a fraction of that.

>>6193532
did you just wake up from a bad dream and open your phone, only to find the first thing you saw and begin to project your anguish upon it

>>6193507
>anon stop posting here its beg thread go in generals
not the dude you were talking to, but whoever says that is just a bitch. Your art is very nice and all but the whole point of the thread is for anyone who isn't /pro/ to ask for critique. Also cool shoulderpad.

>>6193532
I don't want to see their work, it's fine by me

>>6193510
thanks. im trying. it takes a really long time for me to even draw one of those shapes.

im on day 3 of "the art and science of drawing" video courses. never had experience before this.

i just attempted to draw pic related, ill post my results in the next post.

>>6193550
>a fucking leaf

>>6193550
and heres what i drew, it took me sooo long.
this is so hard.

>>6193550
>>6193554
break it down into the shapes you see and it'll be a lot easier

Some drappery from imagination and skull for challenge
Fucked up all proportions but whatever

>>6193532
It isn't a containment thread and non-/beg/s of all skill levels post here, often posting their work for crit and not just offering advice, even. It's just a crit thread that makes itself more welcoming to beginners.

>>6193559
Drapery looks more like a rock. A cool rock, but a rock nonetheless. Have you done many studies? Some of it may just be the outlining and hatching style interacting, like I think if you only had the hatching and not the lines for the wrinkles it would better evoke a heavy silk.

>>6193550
>>6193554
did you practice drawing plain straight lines first the way he described to?

>>6193375
This guy is supposed to be an old pirate. How did I do? Thanks in advance.

>>6193577
Reads more "old dock worker" than "old pirate." Looks too soft and tired to evoke piracy.

>>6193577
give him an eyepatch and a scar
there's your pirate

>>6193573
i actually never did study drapery i just tried to copy what my favorite anime artist do when i worked digital.
So i guess i shoud just watch some course.

>>6193590
Studies aren't really watching courses, they're exactly what you're doing (copying a reference to learn how it's done). I'd recommend studying both other artists AND photos/life models, though.

>>6193566
Why would you encourage people to take advice from beginners though?

Top left is an original. The other three are copies of Ryan Woodward gesture work. Trying to figure out how to capture motion.

>>6193594
Yeah i understand exactly what you meant and i'll do it
But gonna watch some nma course anyway

>>6193576
yeah i use pantomime technique he describes but a lot of the time instead of closely going over the same line, i get 3-4 lines going in different directions :/

>>6193507
You're definitely in the right thread.

I dare you to find a single flaw

>>6193596
I never did, are you high?

>>6193632
your attitude

>>6193634
No u

>>6193633
It's a beginner thread, implying only beginners should be here. Who do you think is more likely to be giving advice in this thread, beginners, or the random non-beginner that just happened to not just scroll past it that day?

One day I will climb out of boxes.
It could even be today.

holy shit im actually improoving. currently doing the 250 box challenge and i'm surprised how much well it works.

>>6193597
really nice dude.

>>6193684
start finding ways to integrate boxes into some construction, you can keep drawing like that but it won't really challenge you much, if you tried to draw some people in perspective though it would encourage you to use the knowledge in an actual case of creation

>>6193691
Makes sense. I felt lost when I was drawing at one point, like I'm simply able to connect lines together and create boxes. It's not engaging anymore. My lines could be stronger, but I think I could develop that with some practice really understanding perspective and construction. I've got my squares, triangles, and circles, it's about time I spent time really understanding perspective and construction, because actually creating things within these boxes, while I know I'm supposed to be able to do that the same way you have scaffolding for a house, scares me and I flounder around.

>>6193662
>/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate
Let me guess, you haven't been here since last summer? You also didn't even read my post. Maybe /b/ or /trash/ would be more your speed.

CS6 or Krita?

>>6193452

I've been drawing quite some while, but I'm still a jobless loser whose working on his 2nd comission ever. So nope, not a professional concept artist.

Initial minisketch included.

For anyone who, like me, dislikes reading PDFs, I've restored the Vilppu Drawing Manual to buy brand new. It is a bootleg, but I would say it turned out rather well. It's only USD$20 and has international shipping. For me this was the biggest draw in doing this, because used copies were not only expensive but with the price for shipping it was excessive.

Anyway, feel free to delete if you think I'm shilling, but I thought it would be useful for those wanting to access the book in a traditional format and aren't able or willing to shell out so much for it. And I hope it's good for those of you who wanted it.

https://www.lulu.com/shop/glenn-vilppu/vilppu-drawing-manual/paperback/product-yd8jqp.html

>>6193716
makes no difference if you're /beg/ just pick one and start drawing

>>6193452

I've been drawing quite some while, but I've still never worked in the field. I posted the drawing to spesifically ask about the pose. I know 4chan is the best place to get raw uncensored critique, so I knew if I post it and if the pose is bad I will know about it quickly. Plus.. It's my 2nd comission ever. I might be a bit above the average level, but I'm not a pro. I'm still trying to make it just like you.

Initial minisketch included.

>>6193726
but it's easier to put refs in krita, you can drag and drop

Almost forgot how fun is studying
Made it past half of the vilpu drapery course
Probly gonna finish it today and watch again tomorrow and then i'll start making still life studies

>>6193684
Too many perspective mistakes on the boxes, you'd rather draw 2 boxes right than 250 boxes wrong.
Watch drawabox guy's video again.

>>6193733
Nice work. Also out of curiosity, hoes does your original art look like? Your linework style seems familiar.

>>6193697
I've probably been here longer than most. At least you cut the "we shouldn't have to make our own threads for our beginner questions" in the title, that was peak cuck. It is still crab bucket: the thread.

>>6193739
Anon, I think we're looking at two different box resources. I agree that my lines are wonky, but I'm trying to show the inside of the box, not a boring block.

>>6193377
I just did the skull because I fucked up the scaling. think I did alright until I tried doing the detailing. have no clue how to approach placing the cracks or shading

>>6193632
Well, it's incomplete

>>6193744
it's the same thing.

>>6193746
the sutures aren't that important just put them in somewhere nobody's going to bite your head off if they're placed kinda sorta wrong
anyway the the biggest flaw I saw immediately was the eye socket closest to the viewer is way smaller than the other one

>>6193751
It isn't, because you're not redlining the interior of the box.

>>6193739
>watch drawabox
How about no? Shit was bad back in 2017 and it's not gotten any better since.

>>6193740
Thanks
I mostly post anime girls so i don't think you've seen me much
But here one of the recent pieces i made

>>6193763
Ah you're the guy posting those yellow pen anime girls. Nice work, I'll be keeping an eye out for you. Calling it now, you and math notebook guy are GMI

>>6193753
just wanted to try and get the accuracy down to a point. also for fixing the eye is this a perspective thing? would help narrow down what resources to look for to figure fixing this

>>6193780

>>6193730
I think the pose works because of nonhuman anatomy. A human making the same pose would look weird but you can sell a lizardman doing whatever really as long as the joints don't bend the wrong way. Hell, you can probably get away with bending the knees the wrong way because so many people perceive digitigrade animals' KNEES as being backwards, because they think the ankle is the knee and see the knee as part of the thigh.

>>6193743
>we shouldn't have to make our own threads for our beginner questions
That's just a different thread now.

>>6193375
any palette recomendation for my Angel?

>>6193809
That's a really cool drawing anon.

I get exhausted drawing. My head hurts and nothing looks right. Is this burnout, and how do I mitigate it? Is it expected as a /beg/? Will I be able to handle drawing longer with time?

>>6193632
I dare you to flip your canvas

>>6193821
best advice actually
i was hesitant about it for some reason but now after using it for some time i literally cannot live without constantly flipping canvas and checkin if everything is symmetrical

>>6193375
>bringing the trash discord sticky back
Moron OP.
I will be fixing that next thread.

>>6193851
>Discord sticky
What the actual fuck are you talking about?

>>6193855
Not having your shitty google doc discord sticky in the OP, sorry, not sorry, idiot.

>>6193857
>google doc discord
Again, what the fuck are you talking about you fucking retard?

>>6193860
Schizophrenia that's it

>>6193860
not my problem you're a complete moron

I'm drawing my beautiful wife again

>>6193869
Your drawings remind me of Helltaker.

>>6193375
Doing this one right now. any advice? This is a rough sketch, I'll clean up the line later

Hey guys I haven't been here in a while, wtf why are we sharing the thread with INTs? Anyways did this guy >>5828653 ever say the special technique?

When drawing environments/backgrounds with lots of straight lines, do you just use the line tool or what?

I hate doing it because it makes things feel flat, but getting perfectly flat long lines is a bitch.

Im stuck and can't decide how i want to render volume. Any suggestions?

>>6193869
I like your form

>>6193920
Excellent studies

>>6193375
/ic/ bros, what is their power level?

https://twitter.com/SheepEva11/status/1554234194917826560?t=VHVz3Y5-WXUKOD8TU6vKnQ&s=19

>>6193942
Thank you

>>6193684
>digital
retard

>>6193920
How do you do it?

>>6193950
What?

>>6193950
You're a stupid cunt nigger

>>6193967
>What?
Oh so you're an even bigger idiot than I thought.

>>6193979
What's your problem?

>>6193975
Keep sperging out you subhuman chimp. You will still never make it.

>>6193979
Stop being a stupid fucking faggot.

>>6193982
you're being a cunt for no reason

>>6193966
What worked so far for me is learning basic perspective and how to construct 3D objects in space.

>>6193994
What books or references did you use for this?

>>6193996
I'm going through Anatomy for Artists by TomFoxDraws. The construction methods are very detailed and it has vast content. If the book seems overwhelming you might like Morpho instead.

The more you fight, the less you draw. Don't solve the captcha for people that don't help you improve.

>>6193874
You can brrng the figure's right arm in closer to the body. The abdomen is in need of serratus muscles. Lat probably should be higher. Left arm and hand (the hand, especially) could use some adjustment. You can enlarge the vulva. Left knee should be larger due to foreshortening. Lower left leg should also be partially visible in the frame for the same reason. Hair and face look good, though. Even with all these issues, you did decently with the forced perspective.

>>6193999
Wise words. Thanks, anon.

>>6193851
>>6193857
based n$sebro's groomer sever is fucking trash and no business being linked in the OP.

>>6194010
nigger

>>6194016
sneed

>>6193983
Nah, you're a complete moron.

>>6193986
>you're being a cunt for no reason

>>6194003
Thank you! I adjusted the areas that you mentioned except for the right arm. I'll adjust that one later. I usually add the serratus during the coloring process :) Still have lots to adjust but it was very helpful.

>>6194010
>muh DISCORD drama
>muh NAMEFAG drama
Fucking faggot, no one cares. The """""new""""" /beg/ sticky is barren and hasn't been edited in three fucking days and will never be finished. The other sticky is actually finished, if there's advice with the sticky that you don't like feel free to point it out, otherwise keep seething.

Is there more of this construction examples (simple boxes)? I like it but can't find.

>>6194024
Projection much?

>>6194030
It has a discord link in it, therefore it's not staying in the OP. That's final.

patrick meowman

>>6194051
Shut up you stupid bitch.

>>6194051
Update your pathetic excuse for a /beg/ sticky and then we'll talk.

any good guides on rendering armor?
I'm just looking at references and trying to paint what i see but I'm pretty i still don't know what I'm doing

>>6194067
posted compressed pic by mistake

>>6194067
It's metal so there's reflection to some degree

>>6194067

>>6194071
>>6194072
awesome, what or who are these from? especially the first one.

>>6194075
Some guy on Deviantart
https://www.deviantart.com/mateslaurentiu/art/Armor-tutorial-220805678

>>6194081
Thanks, you've been great and quick help.

Call me crazy, but I believe there is an unironic, consorted effort to defame the Fun with a Pencil book. I agree with critics who say it's not a beginner book (I think of it as more a seasoned beginner book), but it seems like there are trolls or crabs who want to cast doubt on the effectiveness of the book just because they can, to confuse people.
If you are a beginner, don't start with this book, but don't let crabs cast doubt either.

>>6194089
Right side of the brain is the only book I've heard of that's considered to be an absolute beginner book. It really comes down to what does someone whose never drawn before even start with? At least fun with a pencil gets people started with something, not sure why it's labeled controversial.

>>6194089
it's less about defaming it and more criticizing people who recommend it to any and everyone.
FWP can be a huge timesink that turns off most people new to the hobby and nowadays the type of art alot of people want to make (commercial art/ any art that sells/ fanart etc) can benefit from bur doesn't require the set of skills FWP teaches you.
i also think FWP is a great asset but i also understand the market for it dwindled

how do I crosshatch on digital? This is coming out so awful

I hope you are all doing ogey today, but if you are not, this nearly-complete painting is for (you).

>>6194119
Uh......why is this upside down? It's definitely not upside down on my end.

>>6193914
Cute, I like this. Got more?

>>6193507
>i did multiple times i do in almost every thread and i can get the same replies like "anon stop posting here its beg thread go in generals" or "stop demotivating me"
tf you talking about? hereby I salute you as a brother

>>6194093
Drawing on the right side of the brain has too much text in it, text that doesn't teach drawing at all.

Fun with a pencil is shit because right off the bat it tells beginners to draw cartoon heads and implies its a piece of cake. You have to understand 3D volumes before attempting such a thing, something Loomis neglects to mention.

>>6194149
Then what book is good for absolute beginners?

>>6194125
Fuck off footfreak.

>>6194151
The Art and Science of Drawing

>>6194093
Not him but I've been slowly working through Right Side of the Brain and I feel like it's fucking with me. Following the modified contour procedure gets me results that look absolutely nothing like this and I feel like it presumes my mechanical skill is progressing a million times more rapidly than it is. Like it had me at the upside-down lineart segment but this is way above my level.

>try to draw a gamer chair for my floating anime girl
>It's dogshit
Dude.
Fuck chairs.
What the fuck are these weird starfish ass legs.

how much ugx is this worth

>>6194149
>You have to understand 3D volumes before attempting such a thing
Everyone who has two eyes and is at least 90 IQ already understands 3D volumes or will as soon as they read that part of the book. You just have autism and a chip on your shoulder because you are a retard.

>>6194053
Holy shit, is that infamous psycho catboy Jerma985?

>>6194186
Thank you for proving you're a complete and utter idiot.

I am 100% willing to bet if you drew some cubes freehand, your perspective would be embarrassingly terrible.

2 more weeks of brent evistons course for me. it will feel good to have completed something even if i feel like i still have a long ways to go to be good. at least i learned a lot and stuck with it.

>>6194186
Conceptually understanding something is different than being able to actually put it into practice.

any critics?

>>6194214
Stop drawing random lines without understand what those lines are there for.

>>6194214
Notice his head is big enough to go out of the frame without starting to taper at the top in your ref. In your drawing, the eyes and chin are the same height, but you made his head so small you nearly drew the top of it (so he looks like a brainlet) and you lowered his mouth (so he has a weak chin). Face too big head too small in other words. There's a lot more but that's where I'd start in improving your potraiture, fix the bigger things before you worry about the smaller things.

>>6194219
I'm stupid, so you are telling me to practice more the face and head structure?

>>6194224
That's part of it, but also when you work from reference, MEASURE. Also unironically needs Loomis, he teaches you about facial proportions (so does Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain).

>>6194214
>>6194224
What you need is The Art and Science of Drawing.

Do the course or read the book.

>>6194224
think with planes. Here is my really shitty attempt at defining planes. it makes it easier to break down what you are drawing. theres lots of good tutorials online for applying basic shapes to make complex ones.

>>6194216
What does that mean?
>>6194225
well, i did draw the head like loomis, but i had a problem with the cheeks of mr. white, are weird, so i try to draw them, but that screw all the drawing.
Thank you for the critic.
>>6194233
alright.

>>6193522
Thank you very much, anon.
>>6193920
As always, I like very much your studies, do you draw them from imagination, do you have any finished work or more complete?

>>6194237
that looks like anatomy tracing, like that proko video.

>>6194245
basically, eventually you kinda just see it in your brain, but you gotta define it in your brain first. you combine the planes with anatomy knowledge and you get a pretty picture. Like in this picture you don't want to draw like this, but you want to think about it like this. You do however have to draw it first to store it in your brain.

>>6194248
so learn loomis head, and the anatomy tracing of the head, alright i get it.
Is like the instructions of a cake.

>>6194248
>6194248
is that what our skull looks like under the skin?

Okay I seriously need some feedback on my shading. Any pro tips to improve would be much appreciated cause I’m kinda stuck in this regard.

>>6194252
yeah man

I like birds

>>6194256

>>6194257
Me too anon

>>6194256
>>6194257
looks like youre grabbing the proportions well enough but maybe try doing clean lines.

Was doing a study but decided to inject more of myself for fun, I'll tackle it again proper later.

>>6194125
Thanks

twitter.com/suicoworks

I wonder if people who are actually good at art got there by reading books
or if they just recommend books because they've seen other people read them

>>6194267
>Books
What the fucking NERDS are sitting over here?

>>6194259
>clean lines
Like this?

Does it really matter how you hold your pencil or if you draw from the shoulder?

>>6194149
>>6194199
This is the first real page of FWAP. Right there he teaches you 3D volumes, right at the beginning. The first thing, 3D volumes. Now go back to your discord group.

>>6194244
Thanks, most of my studies are from reference and I have made completed paintings before but they're not good.

>>6194282
No.

>>6194283
You are a colossal fucking idiot. That doesn't teach shit besides the absolute basics of how a sphere is composed.

If you think you learned volumes from this page, you clearly don't know how to draw them at all, worthless idiot.

>>6194293
Absolutely seething. Why on earth would a beginner need to learn the absolute basics of something before more advanced aspects of it? We may never know.

>>6194304
You're an even bigger moron than I thought.

>>6194315
>still not one single counterargument
Keep seething back to the crab discord.

I made this for a friend today, haven't heard what he thinks yet.

>>6194327
friend that is fucking beautiful

How am I supposed to hold my clipboard when drawing? I can't compare my art to a reference on my computer monitor if I leave it flat on the table, and holding it up with my hand is tiring and I can't keep it still. Should I invest in an easel and drawing board?

>>6194345
If it's tiring for you, I'd invest in whatever makes it easier for you to be productive.
As a cheapskate I'm fine with a clipboard/ just working out more and when I do get tired, just taking a break.

>>6194258
birds are cool

>>6194323
Counterargument to what, idiot? You didn't make an argument.

>>6194336
Thanks mann, that means a great deal to me :)
>>6194351
Especially that one. Great work there.

I'm interested in making a webcomic. However, I am very much a beg in terms of art. Would working on a webcomic be a good way of developing and honing my skills, or should I put off trying to make it until after I've gotten improved?

>>6194327
perkele

Just going psycho basically

IF I KEEP DRAWING CIRCLES AND PRACTICING FUNDAMENTALS I WILL SOMEDAY GET GOOD

>>6194327

The cow is very cool, lots of character.

>>6194186

100% Doesn't seem to be the case. You very rarely see a person on beg/ic who draws with 3D volumes. There's like 2 posts in this thread right now where it applies, all of the rest are symbol drawings.

>>6194201

This. Plus I don't believe one really REALLY understands it if they can't apply it. And as I said, there's a maximum of 2 people in this thread who know how to do it, so it definitely takes some skill and effort (and probably a higher IQ than beglets are capable of)

>>6194323
The dude you are arguing is right. You would've posted your cubes already if they were worthy of anything, and the examples you posted prove that you are a brainlet.

Many such cases. NGMI.

Does gesture feel in this sketch? critique? and yes, I failed so much with the left hand that I given up at it.

>>6193998
>TomFoxDraws
thanks this actually making way more sense then hampton ever did for me

>>6194474
Rotate and scale your posts faggot. They don't fit the screen because they are so big.

>>6194472

just spend 30 minutes drawing lopsided circles and uneven squares

>>6194482
PYW

>>6194485

>>6194494
I think it’s all well and good to practice like this but definitely don’t over do it? I’d say great you’ve done this now try and draw something strictly for fun for a while. And then come back to the studies and so on and so forth. Treat yourself to a better pencil also. Personally I would feel unsatisfied with one so blunt, having a cleaner experience makes it all more enjoyable in my mind.

>>6194494
being shit at something its the first step at being good at something
keep going anon, I believe in you

>>6194500
ah, it looks like a blunt pencil because I was using vine charcoal
I just did this exercise because it was in the sticky

>>6194506
appreciate it, I'll post progress in the thread from time to time

>>6194472
>>6194474
You've gotten better.
You still doing LSD?

>>6194081
What is the standard photoshop chalk brush?

>>6194518

>>6193375
what's the best way to study anatomy? I'm trying my best, making sketches and building a body from basic shapes but keep fucking up

>>6194525
lmao
you've got more important things to learn before anatomy

-perspective
-proportions
-form
-gesture
-quitting trannime

Its laughable seeing people with such low skill wanting to learn fucking ANATOMY of all things, hilarious.

>>6194533
well a bit rude but constructive I suppose

>>6194533
Fuck off crab, his hands are high beg at least. Let's see your work.

critique

>>6194525
I would personally stick to realistic/real life studies for anatomy. It's a bit harder when anime/cartoons use more exaggerated features and proportions.

>>6194537
yeah, I've been trying to do both because I also wanted to experiment with art styles but I ended up messing both

>>6194525
Hampton.

>>6194537
how do I ask someone to pose for my art without looking like a creep

>>6194548
Probably by being good. The creepiness will be offset when they actually see decent sketches and studies. If you're bad at it, they'll just think you're a creep who took advantage of the situation.
Alternatively, just do online studies, there's plenty of them.

>>6194525

1st step is to draw trough one of those low quality anatomy books which aren't really "made" for artists. Gives you the general idea of what kind of muscles there are beneath the skin.

2nd step is to study properly trough a higher quality anatomy book, such as Bridgmans anatomy. The reason why you don't instantly jump to Bridgman is the fact that he simplifies the muscle groups, and when you don't have the basic knowledge of anatomy you have no clue what Bridgman is doing. You would have to try to copy Bridgman and just guess the simplification he is doing, and the end result is poor anatomy.

3rd After somewhat understanding basic anatomy and more advanced anatomy (such as Bridgman) try to study form (how to draw in a 3Dish manner) > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo Such as Prokos structure basics video.

Then you slowly rinse and repeat the knowledge, draw human figures from life or from photos, slowly add more anatomical knowledge and knowledge of form, slowly but surely try to understand form and gesture more etc.

It's a slow grind.

Pic included is my old Bridgman hand studies. This is the way I learned anatomy, and not to stroke my own cock, but my anatomy is pretty good.

>>6194549
ya, but then you're copying 2d to 2d and not translating 3d from life to 2d

>>6194551
do you know about vanderpoel?

>>6194560
Nope. Why?

>>6194560
>>6194561

I said no, but I seem to own one of his books. Lol. But I didn't seem to enjoy it too much, since I didn't even remember owning it.

>>6194566
just mentioned because bridgman studied under vanderpoel, who studied under charles bargue

>>6194551
>>6194561
>>6194566

More Bridgman studies if interested

>>6194568

Oh, nice. Didn't know that. Maybe that's the reason why Bridgman became such a good anatomy teacher; his own teacher was shit at it.

JK but not really.

Can you "overly" rely on the eraser when drawing digitally?

I notice I don't have to erase nearly as much when drawing traditionally BUT my traditional drawings takes longer overall and looks less "perfect".

>>6194590

Don't think so. Plus, repetition is how you become good. Drawing that one line a few times potentially does more good than bad. Regards the book "talent code".

Its just easier to erase digitally, so you do it more. Plus since you can flip the canvas, you see errors easiers.

>>6194595
I think you hit the nail on the head now that you mentioned it. I often flip the canvas drawing traditionally but it requires me taking a picture with my phone and flipping it with the photo app. And I do that at least 5 times in one sitting.

Meanwhile I just flip the canvas when drawing digitally. I didn't even think about that.

>>6194604
While drawing that one line doesn't make you a "better artist" per say, it does refine the way you draw that particular line. Potentially more good than harm, but using ctrl z and eraser obessively cuts the time spent on other stuff. So I guess moderation is key.

But yeah, probably not a bad thing. Potentially a good one.

Plus using the eraser digitally is more like using a brush. You can refine a sloppy edge, etc.

But yes. :)

>>6194400
ebin dubs :DD
>>6194412
Thanks man, my friend's favorite animal is cows, I'm surprised and glad how it turned out

>>6194623
based cow enthusiast friend

Wonky ass hands

>>6194681
Cool as fuck.

>>6194681

get some plain paper for drawing and try to draw bigger for your next ones

foreshortening tutorials will help to get the wonk out of those hands and arms

also try grouping values into bigger shadow shapes first and then deal with the darkest darks and reflexes within that. shadows rarely go full max dark in a lot of places at the same time and reflexes tend to stay darker than the darkest light color. there's a hierachy there value vise. the value range can be shifted, you can leave out certains values etc, but try to keep it in mind when falling down the rendering rabbit hole

keep it up! draw a ton! don't look back! every drawing is new experience!

>>6194681
Don't skip leg day

>>6194681
he classy

>>6194702
thanks for the input, i wanted to keep perspective as plain as possible but that idea bit me in the ass, especially on his right leg, ill look into simplifying the values before trying to render next time, seems like a smart move
>>6194722
kek, in my defense most 19th century pictures ive seen they probably were skipping leg day

>thread is dead for most of the day
>go to sleep
>wake up and see the thread has 100 new posts

>>6194804
Such is the curse of living in the wrong timezone

>>6194806
i'm in eu, but even then the burger timezone isn't too far off for activity to only appear in the dead of the night here

Haven't drawn in years, recently bought a new pen set and decided to try again. What do you think?

I love my wife so much it's surreal

Did two sketches of about 45 minutes each in an effort to tackle my troubles with perspective, but my head feels pretty fucked after working 7 days straight.

I'd appreciate any feedback since I'm having trouble viewing my work objectively right now; thanks in advance.

>>6194898
Sketch #2

>>6194889
The far eye socket probably shouldn't be bigger than the one closer to us.

>>6194445

>>6194932
your brush is a bit too thick, it'll make your sketches look rough and less accurate, making seeing improvement a lot harder

>>6194702
Tried to follow up on the advice, though i might have messed up on both, right now he looks like that comic panel of fat titted captain america lmao

>>6194934
Thank you, I have very limited spectrum of brushes, but I'll try to fix this.

at what point do you get diminishing returns from practicing in a day?

I usually go for an hour but I sometimes feel guilty/regretful I didnt practice more

>>6194892
I love your wife, too.

>>6194950
8 hours is the general rule for a single type of task in a single day.

>>6194934
i made the same mistake with digital when i started off, i was constantly trying to figure out why everything looked so shit, then i just moved to pencil and paper and noticed a massive difference; it was all just in the brush
>>6194945
i guess it depends for each person, i draw something and take quick breaks to get more water or just stretch my legs, i do this with pretty much everything to keep myself from getting distracted or from reaching burnout

i still get that feeling that i didn't do enough each day but that's just the human nature to never be satisfied with anything even if you are making progress; personally as long as i am making some progress, even by just repeating something i already know, i'm content

>>6194957
Thanks.
>>6194936
I like your sketches
>>6194898
I'm not an expert, but there's my 2 cents.

>>6193377
thoughts on why this sucks

>>6194936
better than prev

still, get paper without grids and lines lol

did you use ref to draw it? the reflex lights on the back are super attention grabbing because of the contrast, unless he's backlit i'd dial them down a bit. they're still in the shadow side, so they should be darker than the lit side. keep trying to simplify and group the values before doing highlights and hyper darks

nice work on the face, you might want to check out how eye sockets work and the ear looks huge, also nose bridge side is very narrow. pic related, most nose drawing schemes skip this part where the nose bridge connects to the eye socket. there's a gentle swoop and then muscle padding on top so it's not like the nose just erupts as wall.

use ref and use anatomy books to understand the underlying stucture of the ref.

keep going m8!

>>6194986
>did you use ref to draw it?
yeah, i probably shouldnt use paintings as ref but i tried to be loose about the lighting, yeah i had some trouble with the face too, ended up erasing a lot. thanks for the input!

how do i transition from messy sketches to actual paintings where forms are communicate using color and light instead of lines?

I hate my life I suck at this why did I decide to learn drawing

>>6195002
yea man use a photo for ref and use paintings and other art just as a guide to see how someone else has solved a problem

if you use other art as ref you're bound to repeat the same mistakes that artist made, often without realizing it even

no biggie tho, it's all a process, on to the next drawing!

>>6193377
?

>>6194359
>>6194436
>Loomis doesn't say you need to learn 3D forms before drawing a cartoon head
>He does
>y-you're an idiot!
I'm not playing the dumb goal post moving game retard, my cubes aren't at issue. No wonder you got filtered by FWAP, you can't even follow a simple line of argument.

>>6194427
>>6194430
Of course it takes skill and effort, but you have to understand it conceptually before you can practice it and acquire the dexterity to pull it off. And there are far more than two people in this thread drawing with 3D volumes, it doesn't matter if they're doing it poorly or not, they're doing it. The whole point is Loomis is meeting the prebeg where they are at and not dumping a bunch of theory and abstract forms to practice on them. He gives just enough to get a prebeg going and handholds them from potato people to real people.

>>6195042

>And there are far more than two people in this thread drawing with 3D volumes, it doesn't matter if they're doing it poorly or not, they're doing it.

There's a bit of a difference in doing it properly and someone drawing symbols trying to mimic it. There's exactly 2 people in this thread skilled enough to do it properly, the rest are trying, but aren't doing it.

>>6195047
>trying, but aren't doing it
Right that's my point. They understand it, but the dexterity and skill to pull it off only comes with practice, which obviously most people in this thread aren't going to have.

>>6193375
how do people make those nice clean lines that connect everything/ and leave no gaps

It almost look like a vector image sometimes and i can't figure out how to do it.

>>6195059
zooming in + line control + finding the right areas to hide connections

>>6195061
oh ok thanks.
I think i found some interesting videos on that.

>>6195047
>2 people
Who are they?

>>6195073
Me

>>6195090
no me

>>6195073
Not me.

drawing is so hard bros. im trying to draw a can of canned air and i suck at drawing the ellipses right. drawing with my shoulder is hard too, it gets tired fast.

>>6193377

>>6193746
>>6194968
>>6195039
>>6195151
Excellent job anons

>>6195155
you're lying

>>6193447
[Gumroad] Geo Art Ref Primitive Shapes Pack (1,2,3)

>>6195155
I'm the second guy you replied to and I'm disappointed in my drawing. I feel like I've hit the wall, I can get the construction down sometimes but beyond that all my shit feels soulless and awkard.

>>6195155
Well fuck you for ignoring mine

>>6193377
30 minutes. Tell me how much I suck.

Was trying to do the 100 head challenge in the span of the week but the second drawing got me frustrated and I just lost my flow. How can I have more resilience?

>>6195176
>not perfect and only spent 30 minutes on it
you lack dedication

>>6195177
don't take it too seriously
most of those high number challenges are meant to make you 'fail faster' than you would when you draw normally. the more mistakes you get thru faster the better you get .. faster

just move on when a head fails, everybody makes shit drawings and 100 can fit a looot of shit drawings. your hand motorics etc still get better from the grind, focus on the journey not the goal

I can't draw with 3D objects, I don't know how to "see" the form and draw it.

Does anyone just read an artbook without drawing along? I'm thinking of doing that with one book while I do the exercises out of another.

>>6195211
rad sniper

>>6195232
dont do this it will turn you permabeg

Trying to find a shading style I like so I just stole edge runners for the time being

NEW THREAD:
>>6195248
>>6195248
>>6195248

>>6195247
Shit posted the huge one

>>6194233
alright, with which of those i start?

fuck one of the first exercises of ktd is kicking my ass and I keep getting upset and quitting about five minutes into a sketch because I know there's no helping this and it will never look like my hand
has this happened to anyone else

>>6195073

This guy: >>6193507
And guy in the main post.

>>6195176
>pure black
>pure white
>bad edges and gradients
>subject out of proportion
>drawing isn't even good
So much with it is fundamentally out of whack that it's hard to give a single piece of advice.
If you want to go down this rabbit hole, stop using pure black and pure white, go to ctrl+paint and do the exercises to help with how to use brushes and how to achieve proper gradients.

>>6193375
Hey all.

I have been documenting my progress for every drawing I have done on my website here.
https://qtchan.neocities.org/Pictures/figure-practice.html
I want to thank the Anon who recommended me to practice from that sketchbook.
I wonder if I will still suck by the end of it.

Hopefully not.