/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

im gay and my dick is small

something snapped and now drawing doesn't make sense anymore. You're trying your hardest to make something look good, when you can just trace it, but if you're tracing it, why not just look at the reference and appreciate that? Anything I draw with no reference is shit, but with reference/tracing its good. It feels like I'm not even drawing. When baking a cake you "Trace" a recipe and that's normal, so why does it piss me off in art?

I'm not sure if I have the time to learn Japanese, or if I even should be learning Japanese, or what I would ultimately be using Japanese for. I'm not sure if I am willing to continue learning Japanese just for fun, and that once I've learned Japanese, if I would feel compelled to move to Japan and use the language in some substantial manner. I'm not sure what would happen to my English skills if I do end up mastering Japanese, and if I do ever got full blown 100% Japanese immersion, I don't want to miss any opportunities here in America, with the English language. If I do want to keep both my English language and Japanese language skills, I'm not sure how long it will take to master Japanese, if ever, because most people say you need majority immersion in your L2 to end up mastering it. And lastly, I'm afraid that if i ever do "master" the grammar and vocabulary of Japanese, I would still not have a perfect native accent. I know Japanese has a clear pitch accent system, which might make it easy to sound like a native, but I don't know if pitch accent alone is enough to get my sounding like a Tokyo urbanite. I'm also afraid that if I do end up getting a perfect Japanese accent, that I'd still never have the vocabulary that a native would have, given they would have 20+ more years of experience growing up in the Japanese language. Even if I learned Japanese, and mastered all it's complexities, that I still wouldn't be "plugged in" to their culture, unaware of their cultural subtleties, etc.

HeLp...

>>6190219
I'm gay and I have no dick

>>6190279
Japanese would be nice to just know but it's very limited when it comes to art instruction. I'd rather learn Chinese or Korean.

On top of that, what if I do end up going to Japan, but suddenly some amazing anime studio opens up in American and I just missed the perfect opportunity to make anime, in America, with the English language, which would probably end up having a far wider reach than most Japanese anime? And what if I do end up working in Japanese anime, but I just make manga adaptations for 40 years and then I retire, never being able to write and produce my own projects / stories / characters, etc.? What if WW3 starts and Tokyo is the first one to be nuked? What if I go to Japan and all I can afford are super cramped apartments, versus the huge houses in America? What if I end up deciding to quit animation and go into comics instead, but prefer the American comic industry to the Japanese comic industry, because of their cruel inhumane schedules and tyrannical editors? There are just too many variables and factors in this problem of choosing between Japan and America, that i haven't even begin to consider whether I am even good enough at drawing to make it in Japan anyways, let alone writing stories, designing characters, and being a good enough networking / public speaker to pitch my ideas to studio systems, etc.

>>6190284
the problem is that I've already tried to quit 20+ times, having exported my anki deck 20+ times, but every day I start to mouth Japanese phrases and I just feel so addicted to learning the language. Nothing more beautiful than their words, imo, you can't beat "sakana" or "neko" or "oppai" it's as if Japanese were the only magical language left in the world, especially with the amazing way they use kanji in their writing it's like magical runes

>>6190205
I kinda want to quit art, but desu i dont know what else i would do
Ive spent so much time on this, made it part of my routine, tried and all....but after all this time, i still dont know if art is for me

>>6190290
you can only quit if you have something else more important that you have to attend to

>>6190289
Sure.

Learning any new language is exciting honestly, unlocks a whole new part of the world that was previously unavailable to you.

>>6190297
i feel so heard and understood. thanks for talking to me

feeling motivated to draw today. want to experiment more with layering flat color/value layers and gradient map/etc. really feels like I'm making my art look more professional /blogpost
how are you on this fine sunday d/ic/ks?

>>6190219
same

Imposter syndrome is one hell of a drug.

>>6190205
I am currently feeling uninspired. My end goal is making and publishing comics, but so far the avenues of publishing are far and few in between. Making them is another endeavor especially when I am at the mercy of random events that I cannot anticipate just so I can draw in peace.

How do I stop being obsessed with someone? They're always on my mind, I always try to find some reason to talk to them or get them to notice me, it's affecting my tastes and I don't like them getting too friendly with others. I don't like this feeling and it's really starting to mess with my work.

>>6190812
Goddam, please go see a therapist before you do something regrettable, anon. This is why I've always said artists should take care of both their physical and mental health. Exercise often, people, and fix your diet

>>6190812
Rape it, you will get over as soon as you stick in to it.

After almost 14 years of working as a freelance illustrator, I've decided to quit and now I'm studying a STEM career. I have a bittersweet feeling about that but for me I think is the best decision. I simply feel tired of the struggle, I'm making less money than before and I've been dealing with tendonitis lately so those long hours of work are hurting. I just want to feel better and I hope things works out for me and the people who are still making art

>>6190895
What field?

>>6190896
Cyber security

>>6190895
Big change, anon. Hope it goes well for you. Have you read Ultralearning? I'm halfway through it and it might help idk

I've got one of my tablet buttons set to ctrl+alt+shift+H, which is how I flip the canvas in photoshop, but it isn't working. Does anyone have any idea why?

>>6190895
Sometimes I think of quitting art and just opening a bookstore by the seashore

I hate drawthreads on other boards. They just suck to deal with.
But I want instant feedback and recognition for my art when I'm practicing and there's not a good alternative.
Just random likes and bookmarks aren't the same as people telling you their thoughts so Twitter and pixiv aren't really decent alternatives.

I wish there was something else to take their place.

I got burned the fuck out on art after trying to do a big ambitious project but failing miserably. how do I get back to loving art again? It was the only light in my life. I know this is kind of a pussy thing to say but this has pushed me into a deep suicidal depression with terrible anxiety attacks

I hate having a full-time job, I just do.
I can't even enjoy my time off because I end up counting every hour.

Drawing has become 100x more stressful because any kind of doodling/exploration feels like I'm wasting my very limited time.
Trying to juggle art and work has been a nightmare and I just don't know what the solution could be.

>>6190812
your parasocial relationship will never be genuine, now stop simping/ seething and get a fucking personality.

i am kinda worried i think i am going blind or something, i see like white splotches and i struggle to focus

>>6191392
Those are just holes in your dreams that you need to fill with happy rainbow colored artworks.
:)

>>6191154
it's easy to like something that's always fun or easy. loving something is when you don't abandon it even when it's drives you crazy

>>6191174
What else would you be doing with your time?
For me art just takes the time of me playing vidya but objectively speaking my time is better spent arting than it was playing games.

>>6190205
Absolute cringe general. You're an idiot OP.

>sit down at my desk to draw
>get really tired and sleepy within 5 minutes of picking up the pen and opening CSP
>have to give up because my eyes just want to close and sleep
This has been happening a lot lately.

>>6191464
happens to me too, drink lots of water it's surprisingly more effective than coffee. Oh and clean your desk/room, that helped too

>>6191092
pretty sure those don't exist anymore.

>>6191068
Too many modifier keys. Are you sure you're using that to flip the canvas? Check PS shortcut keys first and redo the tablet button. Personally I just use the "\" key to flip since it's close to Z, X and C, my most used shortcuts.

>>6191469
My desk is always clean, I'm really anal about that and I drink a decent amount of water. My circadian rhythm just seems completely borked for some reason, I feel like sleeping at the most random of times and when I'm supposed to be sleeping I'm wide awake.

Why am I so filled with spite and jealousy?
How do I escape

Another day, another chance to not completely waste my life and piss away all my time.

I genuinely think gesture drawing is a complete lie at this point.
"Just draw retarded noodles all day bro! Stop concentrating and drawing figures for longer than 30 seconds man, that's keeping you back, you gotta scribble figures in 3 seconds otherwise its stiff!!!"

Yeah right, this sounds like good advice. I'm sure drawing retarded parkinsons noodles will teach me a lot more than just doing timed studies or proper figure studies. I'm sure Mike Matessi's students are all successful, good artists because of how much gesture drawings they make! Right??

I have trouble keeping productive working at home. This is of course a me-problem that has to be overcome, but what I really want is work on my art outside of the house, like an office i need to go to.
Does anyone do this, like maybe a studio or a shed or just someplace to go where you feel like youre actually working a job?

>>6191593
>It's a bitter artists WCT Episode again
These producers are so lazy.

>>6191628
don't like it, bring back /vent/

>>6191630
/vent/ was mass deleted because you fucking mentally ill nodraws just wanted to complain about not drawing all day and board drama.

>>6191593
it's only 99% bullshit, not 100%.
the active ingredient is that lightly marking out the size & placement of any object as your first step first step makes everything else easier.

>>6190932
Thanks, Anon, I'll give it a look!

>>6191640
alright, but the stupid drama and whining didn't go away by removing vent.

>>6191593
Every pose you draw is a gesture you'll realize this when you reach highbeg

Hey just as a headsup, Photoshop recovery autosave settings are disabled by default. Welp, learned that lesson the hard way.

>>6191640
That's stupid.
>make a post on 4chan after 5 hours of drawing
>hurr you just never draw

I don't use twitter often but I have an account I use to follow artists. I checked in today to see what they're up to. Damn, I'm always caught off guard at how low twitterfags will stoop, or how far they'll reach just to bring down an artist they're jealous of. Found some premo art from some braindead callout post in someone's likes and read some of the comments. Is it even possible to fix mental illness like that? Some of these people need institutionalization.

>>6191644
rookie numbers, and yeah /vent/lite didn't correct the pissbabies posting on this board, nothing will until the mods begin intervening with this board.

>>6192002
it's funny because you don't have to leave /ic/ to see this behavior either.

Am I being an illiterate dumbass or is there no infograph/tutorial thread in the catalog like usual? Wanted to ask for some people to link those Doxy and Nsio infographs they made who knows how far back.

>>6192068
these threads are posted every month but no one every follows them/ posts there studies to make them worthwhile

can anyone relate to whiplash where you have a body of work to present to be judged by some "official professional panel" and your friends and coworkers or whatever are at first all extremely impressed and appear to have genuine high hopes for you, but the second the professional panel decides not to go forward with your work, the same people who praised your work so highly then turns around to tell you "actually it wasn't that great"?

i fucking hate that. it's so demoralizing and fucks with my brain. it just feels like they double down on the rejection without being helpful. like at least tell me the truth from the beginning and not after the fact. then they just scatter like roaches that want nothing to do with you, so even if they're finally giving some critique, it's not because they want to help or support you. it feels more like they just want to rub the salt into your wound.

i'm a professional with lead artist and senior artist experience and i still deal with this from time to time. it's not that the official rejection hurts, but it's just how quickly the people who i thought was supportive of me would run away as soon as they smell failure.

>>6191961
You know the rule.

Just saying "I drew" doesn't mean anything. At that point, why even mention it? Not pointing to you specifically but people who allude to having drawn almost always haven't actually drawn. Solution? Don't allude to it at all and defending it makes it more obvious that drawing has not happened because why would you be so defensive if you actually have? Who cares, you know you did it, isn't that enough?

>>6192105
>man drawing is so hard and I'm having a rough time since everything I draw sucks
>LMAO YOU DON'T DRAW. GET THE FUCK OUT NODRAW. NODRAWS LIKE YOU RUIN THIS THREAD
>but I do draw
>NO YOU DON'T OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE JUST BEEN SO DEFENSIVE LMAO PYW NO DRAW!

>>6191961
more like:
>sketched for 40 mins
>seethe because ' why am i still beg, must be */ic. meme of the week
>shitposts for another 8 hours with playing vidya/ watching anime

>>6192107
Is it that hard to ignore people?
You think you will convince them? If you were on the other end, is that convincing?

Think about it.
You sound like you're new to 4chan.

Oh GOD i got retweeted by a big artist and the FUCKING phone notifications won't stop. HOLY HOLY WTF I was setting on 180 followers, and now i'm 260 after 15m oh god so many eyes on me.

I wonder how many tourists just lurk on here, slowly picking up drawing terminology and theory through osmosis and shitposting, eventually they'll know enough to LARP and it will be enough to fool a large number of people, if it doesn't then you just adjust your angle of attack in the next thread.

>>6192431
It's clearly vendettafags mass shitting up the board again, notice how none of the noticeable ones ever seems to improve.

>>6190812
leave those femanons alone

>>6192539
It would be helpful if the mods finally pulled the trigger and dealt out some permabans, since anything less is nothing but another badge.

>>6190205
Politics keeps popping into my head when I draw and I get mad

>>6190205
I need to optimize my workflow/pipeline there's almost too much for me to handle or think about and I don't really know how to solve the problem

>>6190205
>following a book
>oh this should take you X amount of time
>complete it in a third of the time and it looks like shit
I hate that my whole consciousness repeatedly tries to get ahead of itself constantly. I need to slow down but I don't know how. I enjoy drawing but I'm too eager and it fucks me every single time.

Should I give up drawing? I’ve hit this sort of standstill for the past year and whenever I ask what I am doing wrong crabs will come in and tell me it looks fine or that I’m wanting to be spoonfed. I don’t even have fun drawing anymore it makes me want to cry/killmyself everytime I draw. I haven’t felt proud of myself in years.

Every day I wake up and wonder why the CSP nips still haven't fixed the transform tool to no be a slow ass unresponsive piece of trash.

i just wanna find a well-paying job so I can focus on drawing for fun, I hate doing commissions but I have to do them now to pay the bills. Hopefully, by next year I will be able to dedicate myself to drawing cute boys but now I have to draw fucked up porn

>>6191154
Take a time off art. Your love for it will come back. You are frustrated. Wish you luck Anon. Be kind to yourself xo

Artfight was hugely productive for me and resulted in big gains, but now that it's over I'm not quite sure what to do
I'm thinking I should probably work towards improving my coomer art, but I'm not certain about the best way to approach it
I may just open up rule34 and rely on my patrician tastes to find good images, then just try redrawing them to capture the soul
I imagine if I do that with enough intensity I'll start putting out good work

Also, H, if you're reading this, you know you don't actually have to do the whole block-and-purge thing with me, right
Like you can just tell me you don't feel like talking right now and you don't want me to lecture you and I'll leave you alone until you're feeling more sociable
I get that you're pissed and I'm sorry I couldn't really do more but they obviously made up their mind long before I ever got talking to N, and I really don't think talking to K or L would have helped
Whenever you get bored or tired, you know how to reach me

I think you need the will to live in order to draw. If you have something pushing you to get out of bed, that is the same force making you draw. I just sit down and stare at the wall because I dont have anything I need to do. Bills are paid, stomach is full, everything else is superfluous.

>>6192676
Pyw but unironically

>>6191174
i feel like im eternally damned to struggle with this, even when I dont work. i started paying bills through art and now i hate that im spending time drawing things i dont want and procrastinate drawing too. i dont know the answers, i just know that as someone who might be one step ahead of you down a certain path, it might not be the solution you should take.

maybe looking for a part time gig just to make ends meet for more free time is better, assuming you can afford it.

Very tired in general

>>6190812
It’s called having a crush anon :>

I'm done, I'm done with it all. I cannot do it anymore.

Don't forget to recharge everyday bros

>>6193167
You didn't recharge that's why

>>6190205
super exhausted from drawing all day, but happy :)

>>6193265
good job anon

>>6193246
How does one meditate? Like really properly meditate and not just sitting and not doing anything?

I finally stopped overthinking every little thing and started to actually draw instead of only reading books/watching courses without ever putting pen to paper. The drawings look very rough but I understand that I just need to (mindfully) keep drawing and up my mileage at this stage

>>6193292
You could repeat a mantra, like saying "ooom ooom" over and over, or you could try to focus on sounds around you or the sensation of touch while keeping thoughts out.

Starting to think animation is the most freeing path to pursue. You can literally do anything because the fundamentals involved encompass everything and you can make your drawings come to life.

>>6193311
Takes a long time though, and if you want dialogue then you'd have to find someone and that's a hassle

>>6190289
I'm doing kanji practise and watching Angel Dust right now (j-horror/thriller), I feel the same way. I just keep ending back up at japanese

>>6193321
It should take a long time but once you have developed enough of the required fundamentals then nothing can stop you as an artist. There was a time when I was very interested in high level Classical art but I ended up realizing how much of a dead end that was. Biggest downside is that animation has horrible pay for the time invested unless you are a storyboard artist.

>>6193086
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>>6193465
????

I just want some valid recognition.
Posting on 4chan sucks because you're usually just ignored unless you're shitposting.
Posting on reddit is just cancer and feels like attention whoring since it's mostly a text based website.
Posting on discord sucks because it's usually just pre-/beg/s who think everything is amazing and just endlessly circlejerk.
Twitter is connection based and if you're not drawing the latest meme nobody cares.
Pixiv is decent but has same issue with the latest meme, but there's no real way to get noticed because everything is sorted by newest first, so you have to get popular fast or disappear.

I'm not good enough to rise to high peaks or anything. I just want some minor recognition and a few ass pats for my hard work.

stuck in a perpetual state of not jacking off and jacking off

>try my hardest to understand something
>can't
>just fuck around drawing it without thinking
>it clicks
I don't understand

>brother has an episode and goes off on how I'm worthless and that he's so much better than me
>claims he's "building a business" and will be rich from patreon
>he doesn't realize I know his porn account that he's going off about, high off his newly reached 1k followers
>spams his trash with irrelevant tags just to get massive reach
>100-200 likes at best every post
>casually posts a post about random shit, nobody likes it

This is what this man was blasting off about so meanly with horrible language the other day. Nobody is donating or paying them but 1 kofi donation from 1 year ago. All for the tiny bit of likes they're getting. I want to use up 1 throwaway just to kick him a peg down in his DMs but I don't want to alter the Matrix of this world.

>>6190271
All the pros use reference, tons of it! They mix and match a ton of refs to come up with new solutions. New ideas don't form from a vaccuum, they're an amalgamation of many sources of inspiration. Pic related, Norman Rockwell used Michelangelo to inform the pose for his Rosie.

Not having to use ref is a accumulated skill from using a ton of refs. KJG drew any shit he saw in spam catalogues. It's all about building a mental library.

Tracing, however, isn't as effective in building that library because after you've done it for a while it becomes mechanical copying and it's easy to turn off your brain while doing it. It can speed up the process if you need something rigidly right though.

>>6194562
People told you to 'just draw' until they were blue in the face. You experienced the power of 'just draw'. And still you refuse to accept the Truth of it.
Demonic possession is really the only possible explanation for why you can't understand.

>>6190205
I have a chronic illness which makes me draw like a child. I am permaprebeg who has been drawning for more than 15 years and still cant even draw better than kids. I think I may also just be an awful person in general. Is being an awful human being genetic? Pic related is my shitty Brid

>>6194670
wtf this looks awesome
are you just fishing for compliments?

have you tried drawing with a more expressive tool? like something meant for calligraphy, a brush pen or calligraphy fountain pen? or painting? I think the only thing hindering you is a stiff boring pencil and the ever so pleb /ic/ dream of drawing like 'the old masters'

go for the expressive route, anon

>>6194589
you sound like someone I know irl

time to recharge

>>6194670
You draw just like my friend. Honestly pretty good, but my friend has technically already made it. They have visualization problems, so using references and software techniques turns their art into pretty kino stuff. Do careful reference studies every day to build a clearer visual library.

>>6194739
I doubt my brother browses this place. I would be shocked because his likes taste is visibly shit and normcore.

>>6192096
People don't change their mind according to circumstances.
If they think your work is subpar now, they always thought that way. You just need to have enough emotional intelligence to read between the lines and see who actually likes your work and who's giving you false praise.
The clues are always there.

anyone else have the problem that their twitter notifications somehow get's capped at 10 or something despite hundreds of likes, several comments, follows or whatever. they don't show up under the tab so I miss them. earlier I had the option to 'show more' but now it seems gone.

I finally found some AI art that I think is interesting.

>>6196338

>tfw you’re thumbnailing for a new artwork and ideas just flow and flow and it gets better and better
I love creating bros. Now onto actually painting it…

>>6196413

I think thumbnailing is a scam just like gesture drawing.

So I'm getting back into drawing as a hobby and I've been trying out the timed gesture websites in the sticky for a few days.
Now I'm wondering if there is a software that exists I can put my own reference I want to draw for x amount of time and it randomizes?

>>6196446
Slideshow function on photo viewing apps

>>6196415
say youre a permabeg without saying youre a permabeg

>>6196503
I'm joking. I'm just saying that because we have multiple gesture threads up in the catelog.

>>6196459
I guess, downloaded Pictureflect to control slideshow time. I hope I could change it to custom intervals like the Class function on some of those websites though.

time to recharge

>>6196580
*unbuttons*

drink up

I'm too depressed to draw this morning because all the perfect men for me are being brainwashed and groomed into transbians. Shits fucked. I just want a straight girly sissy boy.

>>6196581
*drinks your breast milk*

thank you mommy

>>6196594
I, too, want an art boyfriend.

What are the odds I fail an fbi background check because of taking nsfw commissions over PayPal with my real name but with a company name that only roughly correlates with the name I use for commissions?

>>6196594
You didn't recharge

Reminder to stretch your Quadratus Lumborum, is the reason for most lower back pain.

>>6196698
Tell me how. I want to recharge.

>>6196748
look at your lover in the eyes

>>6196774
You know I can't.

>>6190205
is there even anything to gain from /ic/ besides the resource generals anymore?
been here a few years and improved faster than with the hugbox discords but at this point /ic/ is looking like just shitposting and discord-lite threads where 90% are begs you cant grow and learn from
yet i dont know any art community actually worth the time to get into and improve but going solo still seems better than sticking with this crab bucklet of a board

>>6196882
Rarely someone that knows their shit comes by to drop wisdom, it's the only reason I keep some threads unhidden

>>6196882
It's the /r9k/ of art. You see every bullshit excuse and everything NOT to do in its least subtle expression. There are some useful corners and good discussion but most seem entirely incapable of it.

>>6196890
>It's the /r9k/ of art.
accurate

I hate gesture drawing so much. I just want to draw boxes.

>>6196908
I've thought about it for a long time. Unpopular facts time:
gatekeeping exists because discussion can only occur between equals.
Spoon-feeding is not a discussion.
There are artistic concerns and there are whatever the spiritual materialist equivalent is that makes it sound like a cargo cult.
Normally, if I'm not interested in or inclined to do something, I don't do it or post about it, or reply to posts about it trying to jack my ego off.
Jannies are fags and don't delete obvious bait.
Art is for people who like art.
Extrinsic motivation is for those who put in the effort.
>>6196928
Gesture IS the figure. Pain means it's worth it.

>>6196928
it’s a meme

So happy right now. Started a new job recently and today I got my final schedule the hours are much later in the day to night time which means I get the entire morning to myself for drawing which is my best hours for energy levels.

So if I get up at 4:30AM that's a good 8 hours to myself then after work I just go straight to bed.

>>6190283
post tits then

At any given time, about 100 threads are completely garbage, absolutely zero percent chance of any degree of something even resembling a productive discussion occurring.

>>6197761
Agreed, i constantly sit at around 120 threads hidden because i can skim the op and already know that the thread is garbage without ever looking inside.

>>6197761
Here is a motherfucking good ass idea I'm about to drop on your head. Grab that pen and paper and write this shit down. Ready? Okay. Okay. How about you, like, make good threads yours--ooh you have nothing of value to contribute yourself and want OTHERS to give you that valuable content you so desperately seek.

>>6197761
What are good threads according to you, sir or madam?

>>6198059
Imagine complaining about not getting good threads from people you hate. What a perplexing love-hate relationship this is.

>>6198059
>>6198064
either youre trolls or retarded
if you cant see most threads are just shitposts and even some of the generals always derail making them shit, you need to reroll and hope for better brain next time

I have lineart dysmorphia, it always looks good on the first pass but I redo it 5 more times until it becomes an ugly mess

>>6198077
You didn't answer the question.

>>6198077
You retard, I've been making generals for years all by my God damn self every time. At it literally takes is ONE person to make the board a better place. JUST ONE. You can do it but refuse to lift a finger and instead bitch.

I hate to be a meme parrot but, you're part of the problem.

>>6198116
and how many good quality threads you yourself make? hope its a lot for you to be on such a high horse otherwise you are no better than those youre complaining about

>>6190205
Reddit thread.

>>6198137

What I made has been cemented on the board. I don't need to make making them anymore except for 1 or 2 threads.

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>>6198145
Vagueposting is so goddamn faggy. You haven't done shit.

>>6198147
>You haven't done shit.
More than you. Beleive me.

>>6198153
And your dad works for nintendo and you have a zoo in your back yard. Sure thing, kiddo.

doing things is hard

>>6198233
just like your mom

>>6198064
The good threads are the ones that are NOT:
>begs making their own thread for a single image
>stupid questions outside stupid question thread
>whining. AI, money, social media, celebs, east vs west, etc.
>all of the reptitive templates. Thoughts?, How do I render like this?, etc.

>>6198276
what if all of those are made by bots

>>6196882
The crab bucketing really kills the board. And little crab snaps at the big crabs who make it out of the bucket, so why should they stay to lend a claw?

>>6198278
That would be more comforting to believe than a real human being has made a hundred sorolla ass threads

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>>6198285
some are bots but most arent
theres at least 1 or 2 prolific shitposters who all they do are these dumb threads, they dont even draw, just come here and make stupid threads
actually, most of the crabs and shitters just come here for that reason alone, they dont draw just enjoy being shitters, thats the sad part, if they at least drew and were decent it could be more interesting
theres also some who do draw for certain generals i wont name but you can guess, that make good use of an anon board to shit up other threads and crab those who they dont like

>>6198334

I find it funny ex-con shitposters are calling others shitposters while painting themselves as upstanding, 'turned a leaf' citizens of the board.

>>6192676
Like all things, you should give it up if it's become some dangerous financial or health problem. Like if you are on a ramen noodle budget, or homeless, definitely give up drawing as much as you need to get a basic job first.

But, you haven't indicated whether things are that bad.

Even if things aren't that bad, taking a break could still be good. Maybe give up drawing [or even anything artistic like looking at others' art] for awhile if you feel like you're not going anywhere. And just see whether you feel bad or good about giving it up.

About showing your work... I don't know if showing it to us will help. If we think it's good, we're unhelpful to you. If we think it's bad though, it could be we're concerned with the few things you actually like about your work.

So instead of pyw, all I can recommend (if you do pursue drawing) is that you focus on what you enjoy. I'm assuming you enjoy some amount of other people's work, otherwise how might you be disappointed by your own work (maybe.) If it's true that you enjoy say MC Escher or something, and you were trying to emulate his work, then you already have advice in the form of tutorials and guides about emulating him. And the nice thing about that is, it doesn't involve looking at your work.

You seem to mistrust people's evaluation of your work. So, don't ask about your work maybe. Maybe ask "What can someone in general do to be more like [artist]?".

Or again, take a break.

Or respond to this what I am missing. This is all I could think of.
>t. someone who plans around their own self-image issues

>>6198369
That's because the novelty of rolling in the shit goes away within 2 months of being here for most and they realize that working on improving your art is far more interesting than whatever threat derailment demotivational vendettashit is going on in any giving thread.

>>6198552

>2 months
I highly doubt it took you 2 months. More like 2 years, you dishonest fuck.

>>6198562
like I said 2 months. You meme spouting retards have really underestimated just how boring you guys to engage with. Worst of all you niggers aren't even that good, what a waste of time.

>>6198599
I’m sticking with 2 years no matter how much you twilight zone your own memories.

>>6198064
Anything's that not completely /beg/ questions that can be easily answered if you checked the generals or lurked for at least a week, obvious shitposts like AI, East vs. West, Twitter screencaps. Use your common sense.

>open catalog
>It's filled with autistic reddit frogs
How do we get mods to clean this shit up?

>>6198733
they got rid of most of it hours ago

>>6198733
???

>>6198733
jannies also have reddit/twitter trannies among them so good luck

>>6198737
It happens like every other day though.
Can't we get some ai to just autoban anything that looks similar.

>>6198743
what are you bitching about? the catalog is clean at the moment.

Sometimes I just stare at a WIP for 10-15 minutes straight thinking it will finish itself

>>6198761
gmi

>>6198761
Are you visualizing how it look in a complete state? How does this work?

Im impatient. I know I'll be able to spot all the mistakes in the art I'm making in a few months, but I want to spot them now so I can fix it.

>>6198747
hahaha

>>6198814
That's a good thing. You can also let it "dry" and then come back the next day with refreshed eyes. Traditional painters do this.

>>6198814
That's what smoke breaks are for. Task switching doesn't work so well, doing very little for 10 minutes does. I'm going to pretend you're pretty capable and say that when you have problems and aren't working from reference, it's because you don't know what the solution should be. Like, your drapery looks like shit because you know there should be lines but not what they're representing. Or you know there's something wrong with a face but not that what you drew doesn't match the planes and symmetry. It's incredibly hard to find something when you don't know what it looks like, but it's easy to see that the right thing isn't there.

>>6198828
I do but it takes a couple weeks for me to really forget how the work looks. Or maybe I'm making minor gains every few weeks and it helps me notice things. I don't know, I just want to advance faster even though it's impossible.

>>6198835
It doesn't look wrong to me though until I come back much later. At the time I draw or paint it, it looks right and I'm happy with it. I think I spotted all the possible mistakes and fixed them, but deep down I know I'll look back on it soon and have a slice of humble pie. It really is just impatience at how slow the learning process is.

>>6198852
The more you break and reenter flow, the stronger the flow gets and the more you can truly snap out of it. It's like post nut clarity.

>>6198863
I think I get what you mean, but not sure what you mean by doing very little instead of task switching. Does that imply I should set all art work aside for 10 minutes?

I will create a tulpa out of my horniness so I can hate it and not be a slave to it anymore. You have fucked up my life for far too long.

>>6198870
I don't know if I regret killing off my Tulpa when I was younger. I listened to peer pressure calling me "not normal" and that I "need to change" and I'm still not normal 10+ years later with the only difference being that I no longer have access to whatever spiritual being I got to talk to regularly.

>>6198870
Pretty sure this is a legitimate form of therapy, try it.

>>6198875
err 15 years
not that short of time

>>6196882
There's literally no alternative. Every other website is either dead or just reddit-lite hugboxes.
The art scene won't come back until discord and twitter are deleted off the face of the earth.

>>6198885
>everything is a hugbox!
I see almost no legitimate art forums that are "hugboxes" when people are actively asking for critiques.

you're correct there's no play like /ic/ where people are just dicks 24/7 while offering no real criticism or advice. But these other places aren't hug boxes, you're just a faggot.

>>6198885
At last, you finally understand why you're stuck here forever no matter how many times the phrase "take resources and run" is uttered from the lips of the troll under the bridge.

>>6198890
spoke too soon

>>6198875
I don't think I will kill the horniness tulpa, probably just ostracize him from the main clique of tulpas and make him a total loser so it will change and be less of an obtrusive attention whore.

>>6198865
I literally go and smoke, but standing outside looking at clouds would also work. I know a watercolorist who fucks off and takes a walk if she doesn't have to babysit a wash. We're so habituated to ADHD-like task switching that we don't know what a real state change feels like. If you completely forget what you were working on, you're on the right track and will better see where the flaws are.

>>6198603
Take your Meds

>>6190205
Im feeling inspired to draw some pixel art, thanks to some video games.

>>6190205
Fartcore thread

>>6199004

feed me

>>6199060
skip the feed part just kiss me

>>6198899
Alright then I'll give that a try. Thanks for the advice

>>6199112
You're looking for anything that makes you feel like this.
https://youtu.be/7ebZBec7Q1k
I can only give examples and what they feel like when it happens. Hope you find your own, it's a game changer when you do.

>know exactly what I want to draw
>can easily visualize it
>try to draw it
>It's terrible
I hate it

>>6199122
time to use reference then

>>6199159
reference won't draw me funky foreshortening and render bubbles.

>>6199159
That's just muscle memory.

Where can i read this btw

>>6199194
Why do you fags always make excuses instead of seeking value and improving yourself from it? It's really gay, like it makes me want to fuck you in the ass because I'm turned on by lesser men.

>>6199168
ngmi
>>6199194
>That's just muscle memory.
low iq

>>6199168
why would it not?

>>6199208
find a reference and draw me some extreme foreshortening.

>>6199198
You have no idea what you are talking about drawlet.

>>6199277
More excuses. I'm feeling tsundere because it's not like you fell into my obvious trap or anything. Anon, I want to fuck you in the ass so bad right now.

>>6199208
Try drawing and not shit posting for once and you will realize where is the missing link.

>>6199289
ah the reverse uno card shitpost, very clever
off i go to actual decent threads while you keep trying to trap begs with stupid opinions good luck autistic virgin NEET permabeg anon

>>6199368
Yeah go shitpost some more fuckface

Ah ah how did I go another week drawing anything except the thing I needed to draw

my figure studies were bad today for some reason and now im sad

>>6199370
you need to either draw more, contribute with meaningful content or go back to your little faggot discord autist friends and fuck off and reroll

>>6200089
I'm just gonna save that for Architect posting, don't mind me.

MAKE ME GREAT AT DRAWING RIGHT NOW YOU LAZY ASSHOLE

>>6200106
Speedruning journey to hell i see.

>>6200112
Kys

>>6199159
Good advice, but Wyeth's Ather had skeleton in his closet so be wary.

>>6199211
here you go.

>>6200128
Based

>>6200106
bet you're white

>>6200188
If I was white, I'd already be great

There is no one with less self awareness than a christian on 4chan

>>6200192
italians are white, cope chud

>>6200201
>non whites need religion
Fucking retard

>>6200106
the trinity is pagan blasphemy.

>>6200223
i don't believe in god ffs

>>6200223
silence, christranny

IMAGINE being lazy, literally just being complacent with being mediocre and waiting for death because effort is such an impossible concept to you. Pretty much conceding that you didn't deserve to be a sapient creature, might as well have been an insect.

>>6200242
You overestimate the power of the conscious mind.
A "lazy" person can have all sorts of executive function problems that aren't fixed by simply willing it, you have to fix the environment to encourage action rather than hitting your head against an uncooperative wall.

>>6200250
So if the environment doesn't change then you will just have to rot away and die? No choice, eh?

>>6200256
Given the way the world actually works, yes. It's the first thing addicts have to do and many of the mental processes are the same.

>>6200257
Not talking about addicts, talking about losers holed up in their rooms all day playing video games, shit posting and decrying that they were not born more privileged than they already are.

>>6200259
They're addicted to misery and being pathetic.

what's with the repeated passive-aggressive posts from thread to thread like >>6200259

can you stop already?

>>6200399
Agreed.

>>6200399
Fuck off.

>>6201061
try me

>>6201066

>>6201071

>>6200399
This entire board is nothing but passive-aggressive posts because no one here seems to ever just seems to let shit go and keep things about drawing. Too much bad blood, too many shitty vendettas.

>>6201080
i cant tell whats going on in this gif, modern anime sucks

>>6201090
That came out in 2009. Probably the same era as your gif.

>>6200242
Shhhhhh, old good new bad

>>6201103
>not knowing hajime no ippo
way to out yourself zoomer

>>6201116
I know what it is, I just never watched it because I don't care.

>>6201116
>beglet millennium
holy cringe

>consistently draw for a few days(atypical for me)
>even churn out my first animation, a small loop
>want to draw more today
>2 hours of struggling on different attempts, none going further than rough sketches/construction
i tell myself everyone has their off days, but it just feels like coping. i want to draw, but these moments of "nothing goes right" are making me miserable. damn it all

>>6198870
My tulpa is a better artist than me, all of her art has been the biggest hits, and all of mine has been shit.

>>6190205
honestely ic is making hate art, at least the art i thought i wanted to make, this shithole turned me away from digital coom bux into just filling sketchbooks and painting in oils/acrylic and am far happier with art like that
but i still cant stop coming here and it keeps giving me the same bad mood
mentally ill shitposters who argue till the end of time over stupid shit and with retarded logic
people you try to help most the time dont care or complain always wanting a get good quick scheme or thinking you cant learn anything with x y z book or course
tons of shitposts, from the generals, the good ones dont last, and those that last are shitty and almost feel like a little microcosm of weird people, wont name those generals, but its easy to find out the 2-3
interactions are always mostly hostile, even when people say they are okay with others opinions and critiques, they will still not accept anything besides a pat on the back even tho they are pure beg

is there even a reason to keep coming here?

>>6201175
Why do you keep stepping around the bush? Name me already, faggot. Come on, bitch. I was under the impression you know my name.

>>6201175
>is there even a reason to keep coming here?
No. Just put 4chan in your hostfiles and leave. You specifically, not me.

>>6201175
>wont name those generals
just name themthis board is trash anyway

>>6201234
your mom

>>6201236
Can confirm. His mom is trash.

>>6201242
what about his sister?

>>6201243
Cute and funny

Another day goes by without a cute sissy straight boy to pose for me while I draw.

>>6194680
>>6194999
THANKS ANONS AND CHECKED

Fuck people

>>6194589
do it faggot

>>6201374
Normally that style is weightless, dickless as yaoi both literally and figuratively, and hard to read. Yours is legible and has clear forms. It would pair well with watercolor because the hard edges are in the right places and you've already defined points of abstraction. I do think it can hide a lot of imperfections and lack of skill but that doesn't seem to be the case. It reminds me of one of the Johns that did all the LotR art, I can't remember if it was Howe or the other guy.

>>6200130
Kek

>>6194670
>>6201374
Do you have an IG account that follows a lot more people than follow you and only receive a handful of likes per post? If so, I think I follow you. Try a pen, mess around with water color, try to finish a drawing and make it a completed piece.

>>6198885
>There's literally no alternative.
Fucking lmao, expecting free handouts. There are online courses by industry pros and they even do sales. You really think someone who has given this trade 20y+ and actual schooling would be interested in teaching some entitled noobs online for free? People who spend hours arguing over which fundamental is more important instead of learning them all?

Enjoy your hobby but don't claim the world has abandoned you if you lack the balls and commitment.

>>6201689
>just buy a half assed meme course that went through literally no educational standards
No. I'm sure some of them are good. But I'm not going to buy blatant scam courses.

Sinix is probably the best art teacher I've seen and he's free.

>>6201749
>Sinix
Sweet summer child you don't even realize how much of a beginner you are. You really don't.

>>6201851
okay kid.
tell me which course taught you the pro skills of photobashing and tracing 3d models.
or maybe you're more a raun jiu fag who likes to brag about your generic saturated cubes.

Every time I sit down to draw and pick up the pen, this happens.

>>6201689
>There are online courses by industry pros and they even do sales

You're kinda too late for this. The best time for this was during the height of the pandemic. That got a lot of the Art Center teachers to force themselves to teach online temporarily and now that it's over they're not doing it anymore.

Thankfully I spent the $2k on courses when that happened and got quality information.

>>6202020
Most Art Center teachers are garbage so that isn't saying much, ever since Weston left, which was around pre-pandemic, there's no one there you can't learn better from elsewhere.

>>6202026

lol no
where are you getting this parroted gossip from?

>>6202034
Also, I think you're confusing the garbage teachers with the teachers being unsatisfied with Art Center calling the school as a whole "garbage" and their garbage payout after getting a taste of the earnings from working at home. Except everyone no longer has ample time so the gravy train ended for them.

>>6202034
Which Art Center teachers are you referring to then?

>>6202037
>Except everyone no longer has ample time so the gravy train ended for them.
You realize that many industry professionals teaching do so after work hours? I'm not talking out of my ass here considering I've attended those classes. The pandemic did make more industry professionals turn towards teaching but it was less of a time availability issue than it was exploring new territory and finding extra income. The pandemic didn't impact artists that much.

>>6201103
2009 was yesterday.

>>6201103
It's sad older anime from just 2007-2010 looks visually better than anime from 2020 - 2022. Like just go back and revisit the catalog of shows from that time and the way everything was drawn, the creatures, to the colors actually looked decent. And now you watch some trash isekai and it looks like hot trash. Too much overreliance on something that every studio is doing now. CGI? Idk.

>>6202073
Everything except weekly Sunday shit* for kids on a 50+ episode schedule.

>>6202073
That's because you're judging the best shows of those old eras against the worst shows of today's era. The new Gundam coming out looks amazing and Ousama Ranking was fantastic.

>>6202080
Maybe true but anime now is just too visually saturated whereas anime from that time still managed to not overblow color and light until it called for it such as for lighting spells or whatever or fire or reflections, etc.

>>6202118
The drawing skill of anime from the 90s is still unmatched, I think with how powerful technology is now that it's still in this experimental stage where a lot will look horrible with a lot of visual saturation as you said but will stabilize within the next decade as they find their comfort zone. I think the biggest step forward recently was just understanding how important the camera is, second to that is lighting and color, character designs and simplification of those designs have kind of taken a backseat to all of that and suffered as a result.

Want to start my life over. Feel dirty. Fucking hate drawing. It's not a talent. It's shit. All it does is piss me off nothings satisfying. Fucking hate commissions. Fucking hate never knowing what to draw that wont piss me off.
I'm not even good. Fucking bullshit. I'm not allowed to do anything that doesn't make me pissed off or disappointed.

>>6202163
experimental fuckups was an excuse for people working in 2001 occassionally spitting out some ReBoot looking scenes. it's a solved problem at this point, it's just a question of budget.

The NMA 5-minute heads exercise has thoroughly demoralized me

>>6202491
>he fell for the sailboat meme

Everything will be alright.

>>6202514
It’s from Vilppu

>>6191474
I used caffiene/sugar and rode my post-crash exhaustion into the sleep zone. you will have to sacrifice some time consuming late night hobbies, for me it was voicechat and vidya, but its worth it if you want to be awake again. avoid screentime at least an hour or two before bed, get some physical activity or exercise too, it not only keeps you awake during the day, but you actually become drop dead tired when sleep time comes around. Good luck fixing your sleep anon!

>>6192611
if you know enough to know its shit then try again correcting the mistakes you made last time. no one starts perfect dingus

>>6193038
For sure, if I don't have the spirits, I can't be creative. I find that I can pull myself out of the misery rut by actually seeking out life enriching activities, beauty, nature, and satisfaction from exercise or accomplishment make great for reinvigorating me.

too much time online and doomposting tend to turn my own creativity and fascination against me though.

>>6193292
there are plenty of guided meditation videos on youtube. my favorite ones are from Wim Hof, he can convince you to hold your breath for almost 2 minutes uninterrupted, its really cool, and lets you reorient a cluttered mind.

any tips on staying motivated after your first major failure in art/comics? I did the retarded thing and put all my eggs in one basket, I just want to get back that motivation I had before so I can move on and get better

>>6198870
good Idea, pornography relapse kills my art drive really bad

>>6202653
same guy nvm libido is a driving life force I need to redirect it to something more productive, not kill it. I already tried totally rejecting it and it just made me feel worse when it inevitably came back

>>6201988
kek, same. Once I'm in flow, it's not a big deal though. I burn through mental energy like jet fuel, so I just need to get the drawing down before collapse.

>>6190279
Half japanese mutt here
a few things.
>English degradation
If you learn Japanese your english wont degrade so easily. Trust me it takes years for that to happen.
>Move to japan
Secondly moving to japan isn't for the best anon. I'm only half but its pretty obvious and let me tell you foreigners don't have a great reputation irl. Its hard to get a job that's not reliant on you being a good looking foreigner.
>Japanese accent
thats gonna just take another 10 years of everyday verbal use and you would have to seriously immerse yourself no English at all for those 10 years. Its a bitch and a half and no matter what if you don't look pure japanese you will always be a "tokyo urbanite" its really shitty cause I was born in japan and I do plan on going back once im done with college but I just have to accept that I will never be a "real Japanese" Ill always be defined by how I look and there's no way to change that.
>culture
Yea that just takes experience and alot of embarrassment I was born in japan but I moved all around the world from Virginia to Korea to Hawaii to Puerto Rico Canada ect ect and I had to learn all the cultural norms when I moved back to japan in my teens. Its easier then language study because all you need to do really is go outside and make some friends. embarrass yourself from doing the wrong things not doing the right things saying the wrong stuff and learn from your mistakes.
>living in japan
Sorry anon thats a pipe dream. You will only be able to get a work visa. unless your astonishingly handsome and marry a Japanese girl who would be willing to sponsor you your just gonna have to be a work tourist.

Now anon I get your struggle hell I'm majoring in Japanese and English linguistics to find work in japan. I get it but you should just find a good job in the US or wherever you are and come to japan as a tourist. Its not the perfect country. youll learn that real quick the magic will wear off and youll regret the wasted years. trust me.

>>6202729
I'm not the guy you're replying to but I needed this reminder. Thanks.

Another night of sticking to my pen display due to it being hotter than a motherfucker in my room god just fucking hate summer.

3.5 finished drawings over the weekend. They all look like shit but at least I'm forcing myself to try new things.

I had an easel just sitting in the corner of my room for months but I'm pulling it out today and using it.

Every time I finish a drawing I get struck by the feeling of an extreme disappointment of how slow my progress is (if it is at all present, which I highly doubtful of), it basically paralyzes me, I can do nothing but just sit and be dissapointed and angry at everything. Then it wears off and I go on with drawing and trying to get good. Only to be destroyed by these negative feelings again. Fuck, how sick I am of this already.

>>6194621
lmao norman rockwell only traced shit

Back in the day I used to draw a lot in paint chats and such. A decade ago noob artists there would strike up conversations with me all the time, just to ask for advice. Almost every week some new stranger would ask how I do this or how I draw that, and I'd always do my best to help them and it was comfy as shit. I'd watch them try their best right in front of me.
Now I don't see that anywhere anymore. Hell I don't even see any paint chat communities anymore besides drawpile. I can't tell if it's a new culture of pettiness or if the next generation is just too awkward or what. I miss those comfy days where people just spoke to each other honestly, but people have changed so much in 10 years. It's like everyone is scared shitless of each other or are too proud or something. I'd still gladly help out a stranger, if they only asked me.

My junkie douche brother’s place apparently got raided and his actually decent roommate called me to tell me they found a bunch of stolen shit, some probably mine. One of the boxes was full of art I thought I threw out while he still lived here, but I guess he rescued it. It’s a weird kind of feel.

>>6203695
Everyone moved on to discord servers that start as drawing improvement servers but always degenerate into random friend group shitposting.

>>6203695
Mostly just awkward.
Plus I feel like asking for help is pointless. A lot of what I need to do is just draw more and stop being lazy.
Plus when I do ask for help usually I get a nonsensical answer or just a vague response.

>>6203714
I've gathered as much. I guess paint chats are just going extinct.
>>6203737
You might not need help but plenty of people do. They just used to be more willing to ask for it, and from what I remember the advice was good when I saw people helping each other. The live drawing helped to show instead of tell. It was like watching a process video except you could ask questions or copy as they drew, and in my case I'd point out where their mistakes showed up as they did them. It felt more productive than the way anons here learn anyway. So long as the person was genuinely trying it was comfy, I used to love encouraging new artists.

I met someone from /ic/ irl b4, he was coo. How come you're all such cunts? It's probably the ones that go outisde that are actually coo.

>>6205158
Did you kiss? Did you fug? Did you take responsibility? Did you get married?? Did you have a b-baby???