/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

can someone please tell me how to construct a perspective grid in photoshop with the pen tool? my lines keep disappearing.
>tfw filtered by the first week of krenz course

>Draw Stewie Griffin.
Fuck that. Today we're going to draw the better show, American Dad.

>RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
- The Art and Science of Drawing
- Perspective Drawing Handbook
- Figure - Design and invention
- Pen and Ink
- The Natural Way To Draw

who was the gorilla nigger that edited this and put these shitty books in the OP?

>>6188012
>shitty books
all except hampton, calling hampton a shitty book might as well call every book shitty

>>6188012
>look up Perspective Drawing Handbook
>this is what's displayed in the tutorials
That's a yikers from me familia

>>6188025
>That's a yikers from me familia
oh look, another twitter/discord tranny tourist

you retards need to change your little retarded language if you want to remain anon

daily

Would appreciate feedback. First time drawing at this angle.

>>6188061
Nice. Seeing as you only started drawing a few weeks ago, keys to drawing and then loomis will help alot.

>>6188077
Thanks anon. I own both books in physical and have studied Loomis but I dropped KtD after it recommended I study from Matisse, I just couldn't stand it. Sorry.
I would like to ask you though, what do you think I should have done? When I shaded it, it became worse. I was trying to use darker values to make it more 3D. Pencil type and shading style, where to start from?

>>6188012
t. brainlet
These books are unironically far better for beginners than trash like Fun with a pencil.

What did he mean by this? I can’t see the difference.

>>6188136
DONT WORRY IM RETARDED

>>6188077
>started drawing a few weeks ago.
lol you know he is only pretending to start drawing a week ago but in reality he has been going on for at least a year.

Art Fight attack

meeting my daily baby quota.

>>6188082
nta, but making it more 3D is a very broad goal. If you could maybe provide an example of what your pencil drawing would look like ideally, what is the look and the type of rendering that you're going for, then you'd get some specific answers. Otherwise people are just going to tell you to go render a sphere and give you other generic advice like that.
If you don't have any "that's how I want to draw" pictures saved, then you're, I'm truly sorry to say this, ngmi. You need to have a goal to work towards. Trying to invent what looks good will make you go around in circles.
Did you use a reference for this? She looks like she's taking a selfie, did you base the pose on something?

>>6188200

Is there some resource on how to use a pencil? How should you hold it, how much pressure to apply, when should you use wrist or shoulder etc.

Ignore esdeath schizo.

>>6188213
soul vs soulless

>>6188215
why

>>6188241
Oops posted the version where the arm was too stubby and short

>>6188244
This is good.

>>6188137
Retard

>mate asks me to paint a photo
>attempt it 6 times before I decide it's OK
>"actually I want one without the person in it"
ffs

Rate /10 and criticise pls

>>6188136
That looks like my poop.

>>6188286
>click
>hide layer
Digital is so comfy sometimes

>>6188286
Not terrible. I dont like how messy it is though. Could eased up on the rain since the bridge just looks like a mess.
Idk if the bridge is supposed to be straight or curved either. But on the backside it looks curved and the front is too straight. If curved the front end really needs to curve forward more.

>>6187945
>Draw Stewie Griffin

>>6187945
How do I copy drawings? Whenever I try to do it, it just turns out like shit. Most of the time, I don't even know where to start.

>>6188300
Yeah the bridge has been a constant pain in the arse. Weird colour, weird shape. It's quite a long footbridge with a slight curve that gets more extreme at the ends

The best of my recent drawings. What exactly do I need to work on? I think they look ok but there's definitely something big that's off about them. Still, I'm very proud of all these, I think I'm really getting a feel for facial features, though they end up looking scratchy and messy because of the level of detail, so I think I should tone that down. I'm also bad with eyes. Regardless, I'm eager to move on to bodies, but I'd rather have a better grasp of heads first.

>>6188322
Symbol drawing hard my dude. Start with the basics. Like perspective.

>>6188308
There are a bunch of ways: copying shapes, silhoutes, forms and different point relations
i will reccomend to trace original first maybe a few times and then measure everithing as much as you can and constanly check proportions
Picrel was drawn by me a couple months ago
Oh and it's also easier to copy if reference picture is right next to your copy like in my pic since reference will always be in sight

>>6188308
do some quick gesture studies ranging from 1 minute to 5 minutes, learn the shapes and types of lines behind the movements, the more you do that, the faster you'll get a general idea of building the body and getting the construction right

the gesture stuff from 1 - 5 mins will basically force you into thinking more efficiently with lines and shapes, not really focusing on perfection at first but just understanding the fundamentals; it's easy to "get" the idea of a box or circle being used to create the start of a human body, but learning the ways of manipulating them for certain poses is how you'll get better at using references and then copying them

why is gesture drawing so hard?

>>6188339
it's the easiest part of learning anon, same as what i said here: >>6188336

just ignore trying to make everything super detailed and perfect and instead focus on using lines and easy shapes to convey the pose, do 1 - 5 minute studies over and over and it won't be long until the general idea gets engraved into your mind, from there it's just practicing and noticing what can be improved

>>6188333
Damn, might as well give up at this point. My brain isn't made for 3D, I should just go back to writing.

>>6188372
He's trolling you dude. Symbol drawing is a meme, it doesn't even exist. You'll eventually start drawing in 3D as you keep practicing. Otherwise all anime is symbol drawing.

>>6188372
Literally just grab a simple perspective book like perspective made easy. Even a monkey can understand it. And don't listen to the other retard, he doesn't even understand the difference between symbols and stylisation.

>>6188375
Symbol drawing is definitely a thing, and I agree that I do symbol draw eyes and stuff, but I don't really know how to not. Like, how else are you supposed to draw that sorta stuff? I don't know how to get better other than to just keep shitting out bad portraits, but how do I know I'm not just cementing bad habits?

>>6188379
Do the Art and Science of Drawing course or read the book.

>>6188379
To stop drawing symbols you need to understand the actual structure of facial features, how they are constructed. How your skull works, etc. And we'll draw them in 3d.
Just start from the very beginning, portraits are hard.

>>6188379
Don't think of them as an eye
Tbhink of them as forms
Read some books like hampton or whatever
Face can be construct ed with planes eyelids eyes nose everyrhing can be simplifyed to the simple 3d form

>>6188379
Nope, trust me, it's a meme. I was criticized for symbol drawing for the longest time here and they all had different definitions, I just kept drawing then they suddenly stopped calling me out for symbol drawing one day. It's something you grow out of as you get better. You don't have to think "how do I stop symbol drawing", it just happens. Notice how they can't precisely define what you're symbol drawing.

>>6188381
Ah, I see. I tried to read Loomis' book and didn't understand it, so I instead used some videos and I guess I accidentally started filling in the blanks with symbol drawn stuff, thinking I was actually applying form and perspective.

>>6188386
Esdeath you still draw symbols.

>>6188012
oh look, another autist gatekeeper

different books suit different people

>>6188387
You are trying to draw advanced stuff, which is why you fail. It's like trying to lift 50kg at once when you never lifted before.

should I follow brent eviston courses with the pencil tool on tablet or just use a round brush?
I don't have tilt so it feels kinda shitty anyway...

>>6188391
That makes a lot of sense actually. I'm much better at drawing more simplified characters, chibi and the like. I'd like to be able to draw more realistic things, and so that's why I'm trying. I don't really know what else to draw. Maybe I should just stick to cartoon stuff.

>>6188397
Even your cartoonist stuff will improve when you get to understand real humans

>>6188397
>I'm much better at drawing more simplified characters, chibi and the like.
that's because there's not really any foundations to them, try this >>6188336

forget about drawing details, forget about drawing faces for now, just learn the shapes and general construction behind drawing certain things, and slowly you'll begin to form an understanding behind how to build the more complex things

>>6188402
Ah, thank you. A little while back I was working on gesture and reading Hampton's figure drawing book, but I got very bored of it. While I've really enjoyed drawing portraits, I see how bad they are and I guess I should go back to gesture drawing. I'm too rigid with this sorta stuff, that's why I never get anything done I suppose. I should just have fun with it

What do you think makes some schizos think that their shit is good? I don't recall thinking any of my shit was even passable and now after years of drawing i still can't call it good

>>6188425
Poor taste and delusions of grandeur

>>6188405
yeah just spend your time on that, do quick exercises; the good part about them being quick is they get you to think about the shapes fast and figure out a way to imply motion/stance/perspective from the start, even if it's with a single line

it'll be through something like a single line or a circle that allows you to start adding more structure to it, and even if things end up "bad" at the end of the 1 - 5 minute drawing, you'll pretty much know why because the mistakes are right there in front of you

>>6188433
>>6188405
also something like https://www.posemaniacs.com/tools/thirtyseconds is a really useful tool since it gives you a timer and a pose, each pose can be completely different to the last, making you try something new each drawing; and when the time is up, that's it, move on

it might help you a bit more since you're not relying on your own timer or finding your own poses to draw which might eat up your time and distract you when it comes to getting into the drawing

Reminder to make your additions and edits to the collaborative sticky:

https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q

No schizo advice allowed though.

>>6188433
>>6188437
I'll start doing this, then. Thanks. How do I know when to move on to something with a little more substance, though? Is it just one of those things that you'll know when you get there, or could I possibly just keep doing this forever because I'm too retarded to learn anything? I think I'm overthinking it :/

>>6188440
>Is it just one of those things that you'll know when you get there
pretty much this, you'll reach a point where these quick exercises start to feel a bit too easy and you get the general notion of them, and from there you can start working on the details and putting a bit more time into them, adding anatomy and shading to amplify the implication of the pose

starting off you don't want to be getting too adventurous with the things like details in the face/arms/legs/feet/hands, but over time you'll find that you're reaching a point where you can start to consider them and approach them

this is where practice in those individual areas comes in handy outside of the figure drawing, and it can be wise to begin investing some time into those, but returning to the very start of all this: you'll have to have the general idea of how to construct with shapes and lines (which you'll learn from figure drawing)

>>6188437
Hey, same retard again, I'm using that website and have no clue what I'm doing or how I'm supposed to learn anything from this. I don't even think I'm doing it right.

Hello, wanted to ask, if anyone here knows what are the most advanced/mathemetical (or just, in layman's terms, "autistic") perspective resources out there? I've gone trought scotty cover-to-cover twice now, and was wondering if there's anything else I could be reading. (All other books I've seen are either begginer perspective or more pragmatic/handwaving of the hard geometry.)

>>6188467
might be good for you to start from the very beginning in that case, find a resource that'll teach you basic shapes, you'll then see how shapes and lines are used to imply weight and stance

i assumed you knew at least pic related; you also said you had done some figure drawing in the past, what in particular are you struggling to understand?

>>6188471
It was quite a while ago that I had read Hampton, I got to the part about skeletal structure. Really, it's just hard for me to grasp how to draw the poses. They sorta just come out as jumbled lines, but I suppose that's what it's supposed to be. I watched a few videos as a refresher, but honestly, that didn't help a whole lot. In the 15ish minutes I did it, it started to come back and I got better, so I guess I was just being impatient. I think my new routine will be to do these exercises every now and again and just stick to more cartoony stuff for my normal drawings. I'd like to copy other art as well, but I always have a hard time doing that and I don't know if I'm advanced enough for that yet.

>>6188359
It's almost universally agreed that gesture is one of the hardest parts to grasp when starting out with art

>>6188495
>universally agreed
Never heard of it
The hardest is definetely perspective most niggers can't even draw a figure looking at it from below i'm not even talking about buildings like castles

>>6188504
You don't draw or know any artists

>>6188505
yeah seems like you just another schizo

>>6188481
you aren't really paying attention to the shapes that help you construct the body, take pic related, you see the arrows pointing at the shapes which help display an idea of where the torso and pelvis are in relation to the pose, you'll generally want to start with those and establish an idea of the perspective

the images in >>6188471 give you a general template of how to approach those different poses; i know it'll be confusing at first because you read hampton and in that book he does a lot of general gesture without shapes and also says never use straight lines, if you're starting out that'll definitely confuse you, but later he does show the construction side

you're meant to use shapes to begin with and then build from there, then using lines to contribute to the expression in the form

>>6188495
>when starting out
if you haven't yet got an understanding of shapes, definitely, but if you've had a bit of time to mess around with them then it's a pretty good area to move on to when it comes to drawing people; you're allowed to be a bit messy and fuck up when it comes to things like arms and legs, but the lesson starting off is grasping how those shapes play into perspective and form, seeing the shapes behind the body and how they're manipulated

>>6188495
yes
/beg/s doing gesture studies is a waste of time desu

>>6188334
how do I do this

>>6188516
>>6188523
I'm not saying it shouldn't be studied, I'm just saying most people don't get good at gesture for a long time. It needs to be practiced a lot. You have to be good at perspective and proportions to do good gesture

>>6188532
the idea is to start with general gesture, and then introduce more elements of figure into it as you progress; if you understand basic shapes then that little jump is a very easy one
>You have to be good at perspective and proportions to do good gesture
the point isn't to become a master at gesture, but understand the ways the lines play a part in conveying the motion and perspective as you introduce shapes into the idea; most people don't "get" perpsective because they don't get shapes or practice them under different perspectives as you teach your mind to think a more 3d sense

>>6188539
So you agree or disagree?

>>6188515
That makes sense. I was very afraid of making complete shapes for the body in those gestures, so maybe I'll do some more. I should also review my notes I made from Hampton.

>>6188526
I dunno i just copied it?

>>6188584
i hate you

>>6188587
I mean i've probably spent more time studying and drawing then you

Could someone redline this for me? I'm having a very hard time doing it myself and I wanna try to copy it. Yes yes I know, I'm retarded.

>>6188589
so i can do that by just drawing?
>>6188591
>I'm retarded
lol

>>6188591
I'm double retarded.

>>6188593
Why did you skip studying part?

I miss him

>>6188594

>>6188631
Hmmm, I see. Thanks.

How to draw faces?

>>6188649
try using your eyes and hands

>>6188649
Faces are just 10 or so hands overlapping each other.

>The Art and Science of Drawing
is this better for fundamentals then fun with a pencil?

>>6188666
satan, anything is better than meme with a pencil

This was surprisingly fun until the end

>>6188697
>having fun while drawing
ngmi

>>6188701
>B-B-But LOOMIS said!!

>>6188666
Yeah, it teaches you the drawing process everyone uses

>>6188666
>Art of NGMI
don't
>GMI with a Pencil
do
simple as

The Art and Science of Drawing or The Practice and Science of Drawing?

I spent the whole day drawing ellipses
They still suck

>>6188796
Also, i get better ellipses when i do reverse-clockwise direction but i get better circles when doing clockwise direction
Should i focus on 1 direction only?

>>6188759
Peter Hans dynamic sketching

>>6188807
>>6188796
do whatever works stop worrying so much
fucking 'ell lads

Nevermind, context follows, nevermind.

P.S.

>>6188836
>>6188840
P.P.S. Try to scroll past the second one opened in page then past the first one other diminished again, different semiconductural special effects are likely to show, nevermind.

I tried painting a face. I fucked up sketch for the face, so the proprotions are off.

>>6188857
>so the proprotions are off.
if you know they're off why aren't you fixing them then

crits on proportion/construction

are the sketches good/accurate enough to start painting?

Is this more or less how you get better at accuracy?

>>6188872
yeah

>>6188857
monke :)

>>6188866
not bad, proportion are a little off here and there but could start painting if you wanted too

draw a box huh

I couldn't draw through anymore because 0.7mm lead and too small. I'm gonna do this again tonight but bigger, it really helped kick perspective into gear in my brain

>>6188833
Yeah youre right, thanks

how do I speed up? I have a problem where it'll take dozens of tries to get something to look "right", but it takes an extremely long time
I've already spent close to 2 hours on this and its still a sketch, and not even close to done, face still looks fucked when I look back at it now and its weird all over

>>6188594
Well you didn’t actually copy the reference, but your version is cute and has a certain appeal to it.
You don’t need someone to redline a study. Literally just go into Photoshop and overlay your drawing on the reference and see where you were off.

>>6188866
how did you learn to draw heads like this

>>6188882
I see
This is kinda fun

>>6188872
I don't get it

>>6188934
practice fundamentals(anatomy, proportions, ect) the more you do the easier it becomes. Also I like timed gesture to help with drawing quicker.

>>6188136
Scales on top are staying in the sausage, while bottom scales are poking out.

>>6188961

>>6188935
That's not mine, I wanted to copy it because I want to absorb some of their artstyle, but I gave up and did something else :/

roast me

>>6188184
Very cute. You should practice more backgrounds.
>>6188200
Scary, but babies are kinda scary so
>>6188286
Thumbnail looks cool but the rain makes it look muddy.
>>6188857
Nose is short, and the space between the nose and the lip is really long. Very creepy.
>>6188866
Bottom left woman's eyes are a bit too far apart. Excellent art though.
>>6188984
Nice halflings.

>>6188948
I'm not that guy, but that's pure Loomis.

Characters of an MMORPG I play with brother. One of them kind of look like the OP

>>6188593
>>6188587
>>6188526
You are a low-IQ idiot.

im currently just practicing drawing basic shapes and im on a somewhat small sketchpad and pencil
i know im supposed to incorporate my shoulder a lot but im facing straight down on my desk and i have to bend my elbow alot.
is there a proper way to do this or do i just experiment until i find what feels best?

>>6189068
drawing with the shoulders help with long strokes, something you would do with a large canvas. If you are using a small sketchpad using your wrist is fine. If you find drawing on the desk is hard you can try and get a drafting table or an artist easel for the desk, both gives you an angle surface to draw on.

Been trying to figure out blending but I'm at a loss anons

Hello. I was curious on how to shade digitally. I use a hard round brush, but it's nothing but hard edges. I don't really know who to watch. I seem to be missing something when I watch tutorials on youtube. Do I use a certian kind of brush, do I blend? I don't seem to understand. If someone could just point me to someone that could help, or a resource. Please and thank you. The image was the first time trying to learn how to do shadows. Im missing where my light source is, highlights, and half tones. This is just a list of the shadow side. Could be wrong on that as well. Im more posting it to show what I mean with shading. Also I understand there's hard edge, and soft edges. Just don't know how to make soft edges.

>>6189192
Eraser, mixer brush, or just doing it similar to trad art

>>6189192
Honestly i think every beg should stixk with square brush without opacity and paint with that since you underestimate how much you can do with instrument just as simple

how to shade in digital?
inb4
>paint bucket
no

>>6189192
But yeah if you still want to blend just pick round brush with opacity jitter turned on or turn it on yourself and pick controll with pen pressure

>>6188471
What books is that?

>>6189192
>>6189204
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/brush-technique-hard-and-soft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L8BBVNBheM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfQNadGEPBU

If >>6189204 means pencil-like shading, the same concepts as trad art applies. Just have pen pressure opacity on

>>6189204
>>6189192
>someone asked the same question I had
Sorry didnt notice

>>6189192
Soft round aka airbrush creates a smooth gradient (in most software you can control the degree of softness and the size, both of which affect the gradient and the portion that is not graded), blur softens existing edges, erasers come in both hard and soft forms as well, and a lasso tool can be used to pre-define a hard edge with high precision if you don't want to use an eraser on your soft shapes to make hard edges. The way to actually use both kinds of brush and both kinds of eraser to shade is to create a new layer (either a normal raster layer or a multiply layer; the former just applies the colour you're painting, so for instance if you have a red object and you want to add shadows you would select a darker, less saturated, possibly cooler or warmer (depending on your lighting) red, and paint that for shadows; the latter shades the area underneath by the difference between the colour you're painting and pure white, which will make more sense if you experiment with it), so that when you erase you only erase part of the shadow, not the underlying colour layer. Highlights are the same way, though instead of multiply (or even divide, which works a bit more oddly since it inverts hue) you would use something like an add layer, dodge layer, hard light layer or again just a normal raster layer and manually choose your highlight colour.

You can also use hard round with pressure opacity to shade if you're a numbskull, but using only hard round is a meme around /ic/ that some people have started taking seriously and expressing an elitist attitude about. You'll very rarely see professional artists who do this, though it can help give a piece more of a traditional "painterly" feel since it necessarily makes brush strokes visible. However, unless you have a Cintiq that tactic isn't going to work very well either way. It is NOT analogous to shading with a pencil. Soft round with pressure opacity is another story, of course.

The grind continues.

Hello begs, today i am happy with my shit.

>>6189330
Nice pussy. And remember if basic shapes bore you to tears you can get gud drawing anything from reference
>>6189100
soul
>>6189111
cant help you but it looks good
>>6188796
PYW, also ellipses are very hard, i dont think you can gain proficiency in them in one day
>>6188470
Just look into any university which produces engineers. Curriculum, recommended books or just outright their online materials like this
https://www.math.utah.edu/~treiberg/Perspect/Perspect.htm
>>6188425
There are 5 basic types of personalities and 999 mental disorders. And i bet many combinations of these makes you believe your shit is good. For example narcissist person will never doubt themselves for even a second
>>6188322
I recommend you to pick a course or book and follow it. IC has sticky, BEG has sticky or just say fuck it and do keys to drawing like i am doing
>>6188214
1st result from google, it has ASIAN genes tutor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrAHb5LhY8Y
>>6188057
Life of abstract artist is hard. I wish you luck cause you gonna need it
>>6188395
Use both. If you want to be digitalfag you need to master brushes either way. Find what produces good results

Today’s study

1h from ref

>>6189397
nice, what was the original?
just looking at the study i'd say the bases could use depth since usually liquids are transparent enough to see through it

>>6189111
Looking good, I would recommend a softwr brush with some texture on it, and light pressure is your friend. I find that circular motions with pow pressure work best, not back and forth.

>>6189397
Honey/piss-jar anon here fyi

>>6189402
Thanks, this is original and my initial construction.

Figured out too late that they should have been a bit taller.

what hard round do you use in clip studio
top is hard round from marc brunet free pack
does it look shitty like that in photoshop too?

and bottom is airbrush with maximum hardness

>>6189418
you can disregard what i said, those be some thick jars

>>6189402
Liquid refracts the light so you don't always see the bottom from an angle

>>6189111
Having not seen the ref but hyped to draw transparent things, I did some practice blending/rendering on your image, maybe it helps, maybe not, couldn’t resist.

Tower

>>6187945
Drew this for a friend.

were creepers supposed to be penis shaped

>>6189526
They were supposed to be bears

Nigger nigger chicken dinner

it's hard to follow THE ART AND SCIENCE OF DRAWING SERIES on tablet...I can't do overhand grip meme
did anyone do it before

>>6189539
so do it on paper.
you should do it on paper

>>6188934
Just push through it. You can come back to address it later. Get the figure and composition roughed in, then focus on the detail work (a.k.a., correcting errors). Also, art doesn't run at tiktok speed. The work takes as long it takes. You speed up with experience and practice.

>>6189526
Notch claimed they were a pig model that "glitched" but most people seemed to think the penis shape was intentional back then. Now the game is ultra-mainstream the pig thing is probably the accepted explanation. He also put tall black men who steal your watermelon and greedy short men with giant noses who charge you three emeralds for a sheet of paper, so he got away with an impressive amount in one of the most widely-accepted children's games of our time. Also got his start just making a little java clone of infiniminer for /v/. Truly one of my role models.

>>6189406
>>6189462
>>6189395
Thanks anons, I'll take your advice in mind. The paintover helped me understand how2blend a bit better

First time coloring. How did I do?

>>6188903
thanks anon, how do i get good proportions, just practice a lot?

>>6188948
pretty much >>6188993
first i did some basic loomis construction
then i learned to draw individual features from proko
and recently i started putting it all together

>>6188986
thanks, the eyes are also a bit too big

>>6188857

>>6189635
Work on your 3D forms and perspective please.

>>6189635
>coloring

>>6189665
How did I do? It looks really good framed. Almost like a mangaka drew it.

>>6189669
Maybe true but coloring made it into an actual art piece, that I can look at to motivate myself. Mixing all the colors randomly to achieve the skin tone was incredibly difficult, too. When I was experimenting I accidentally fucked up one of my other drawings, good thing it wasn't one of my favorite ones.

>>6189675
>he's framing them
Bro, keep drawing but please don't turn yourself into a lolcow.

I hate “family guy”.

Sieg Heil.
Feel the sheer relativity of relativity
Feel another soul.
True family and true love is all.

>>6189675
>Almost like a mangaka drew it.

maybe better!

gambatte!

>>6189679
He's already a well-established schizo. Wouldn't bother too much with him.

How can I improve my shading?

Imagine, just picture this for a second.
You raise a child, your lovely son.
Hes your everything.
You love him so much.
Then he hits puberty and likes those japanese tv shows.
He talks about a certain character, how cool she is.
You remember also liking certain characters of tv shows, but yours were human....?
Anyway, he keeps talking and talking about it. Obsessively.
He decides he wants to draw
Fantastic, art is wonderful, a beautiful way to express feelings and trasmit beauty to others.
He just draws this same character.
Over. And over. And over. And over.
Only. That. Character.
Every time he finishes a drawings comes to show you 'do you like it mom?'
'haha, darling, its okay I guess... but why dont you paint something else?'
'BUT I LOVE ESDEATH'
's-sure darling, if it makes you happy...'
And as if it wasnt enough, he makes you frame these shitty schizo drawings of the same anime waifu to hang them on his room.
You begin to wonder where did you go wrong.
It will slowly eat you away.
Will you run away, commit suicide or kill him?
Only time will tell.

>>6189735
shading isn't the problem
focus more on accuracy

>>6189209
https://anatomiaartistica.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-and-invention-1.pdf

https://litter.catbox.moe/18ddba.png
where do i start with rendering? i have no idea what I am doing

>>6189825
time to learn lighting anon, you've gotta establish where the lights are and their colour/intensity, so first thing would be to draw in shadows having established where the light source(s) are coming from

>>6189825
leftmost girl hands are fucked up

>>6189315
Very very nice, I think I have saved a few your sketches.

Just "finished" mine and I happy with the result. :P

>>6189826
got resources for that? i have no idea where to start
>>6189831
thanks gonna fix em later

>>6189864
There's going to be a ton of potential resources when it comes to learning this stuff. The general idea behind lighting doesn't take much time to understand though. It might even help to read some photography books like Capturing Light by Michael Freeman. Something like a filmmaking or photography book won't just tell you about light and shadows, but will give you diagrams on things like 2 - 3 point lighting techniques.

A really easy way to get into the basics would be to watch films and pause at certain moments, then look at where you think the light sources are coming from. Take into consideration pic related: you have your strong light coming from the left which illuminates much of the frame, as evident by the strong shadows it produces from the objects on the table. The warm orange of the fireplace adds a very nice highlight around the edge of the characters to serve as a backlight that helps them 'pop out' from the background. Then you have a bit of shadow control from the right to serve as a fill, so that the shadows aren't too strong or hiding much detail caused by the key light.

Breaking that down:
>1 strong key light illuminates from one angle, creates harsh shadows
>1 backlight creates background separation
>1 fill light (much lower in intensity as the key light) to bring out some more details in the shadows
You won't always feature 3 point lighting techniques, but it'll be a good place to start with as you visualise which each part plays in the image. After that you can somewhat change things around and use 2 point or just one light source.

>t. work in the film industry in lighting

My comfort zone stuff never looks finished, how do I master comfort zone rendering

What is the trick to these fucking profile heads. I can't find reference points to figure out how far it potrudes outwards from the nose, or at what angle.

>>6189192
Thank you guys for the responses. I will be checking after work today.

>>6189844

>>6189688
Thanks anon!

>>6189688
Kek

>>6189746
as a parent of an autistic child, i can tell you that being fixated on a character is par for the course.

>>6189955
divide the side ways oval you drew into thirds the first third is the face the rest is noggin if it ends up looking a bit weird just fix it
simple as

>>6189889
nta but i started to notice the lighting in film after i started to draw

>>6189907
Lighter lights, darker darks. There's very little contrast here.

Is it possible to create art if you’ve never loved? When you lack the most important part of the human experience won’t your art be cursed to look faked?

>>6190115
is it possible to create art if you post retarded shit like this on a finnish ice fishing forum?

>>6189675

oh nonono esdeathbro

Can I ever hope to rival esdeathbro? I’ve been here so much longer, but never achieved a tenth the schizoness.

No niggers say what you want but i can't see how a sane person would frame those abominations

>>6190211
>i can't see how a sane person would frame those abominations
for farming funny internet man points

>>6190215
>trolling for months just for lulz
Still seems insane to me idk

>>6190216
genuinely seems like something i would've done years ago as a teen

>>6190229
cool study anon

if you want a comment, your sky seems still unfinished or you just focused too much on the ground and forgot the details on the sky, especially the darker parts going further left

>>6190249
pyw

>>6190254
Quit being a bitch

>>6190249
Thanks man!
Yeah was kinda done with it maybe should've looked at it again tomorrow but don't really feel like it since it's a study

>>6190254
pyw

>>6190020
Pretty good, the proportions on the right figure's arm is too short though

>>6190160
Your furry figure actually looks pretty good. You generally have a more Disney-esque appeal when you draw your characters, why not imitate more older cartoons styles

Trying to figure out how to draw faces in a way that looks cool

>>6190229
Nice study, if I had to change anything the shadow colours seem just that tad bit duller than in the reference image, and like the other anon said the detail in the sky doesn't line up with the detail of the landscape. But otherwise it's great, like the contrast and the brushwork

Are there any discord/tranny communities where people just vibe and talk about art? Without all the zogged twitter shit and ultraleftism

I think I can feel the form a bit?
Was hoping that when I get started with the head I would magically do it right this time but the eyes brought me back down to earth
I think I'll practice simple forms from imagination (and rotating) now or I'll end up like those atelier dudes that can't draw anything without reference

>>6188143
/ic/ says "just draw" and he's doing that
you mean the meme is wrong???

I think I can feel the form a bit?
Was hoping that when I get started with the head I would magically do it right this time but the eyes brought me back down to earth
I think I'll practice simple forms from imagination (and rotating) now or I'll end up like those atelier dudes that can't draw anything without reference

>>6188092
>Fun with a pencil
It's a super useful book, but the unstated assumptions in it really need to be spelled out for newbies.

>>6188372
I don't get it either dude. As a writer, artists are an enigma.

>>6190318
Thanks!
>seem just that tad bit duller than in the reference image
Wdym duller? Less detail sure, and also the color is a bit darker.

>>6189395
Pawell... you're quite the interesting character. It'll be interesting to see how much Keys has helped you once you're finished

>>6190348
Maybe it's just my cheap phone, but when I look at the reference image, the shadows have blueish tones that aren't in your study. That's probably just the filters amd maybe you intended to remove them but it's something I noticed anyway

>>6188600
but how do you study

>>6190369
draw

>>6190372
but how
i put a squiggly line on the page and don't feel like i got anywhere

>>6190374
>try to draw
>see weaknesses
>understand you have weaknesses
>search the internet for resources on how to construct the things you are struggling with
>use multiple resources to draw with construction
>keep doing it

>>6190374
pick a subject you're shit at and focus on it for a while
anatomy, perspective etc

>>6190376
don't get it, what's that got to do with just drawing

>>6190377
>pick a subject you're shit at and focus on it for a while
but i'm shit at everything and want to be good at everything

>>6190380
Start with line control and work your way up to basic shapes.

>>6190380
then pick a single fucking subject and improve at it
fucking hell or just kys

>>6190380
>anon can't draw the human torso but wants to be able to
>anon looks up online how to draw the human torso
>the internet shows him multiple methods of how to draw the human torso
>anon then draws the human torso in these methods
>anon slowly gains an understanding of the defining shapes and forms in constructing he human torso
>with practice, anon can finally draw the human torso well

>>6190299
>why not imitate more older cartoons styles
Older styles just aren’t as influential on me.

>>6190390
What influence you? You seem like someone that wants to imitate Disney.

>>6190391
Just the stuff I grew up with: Disney, Don Bloth, Saturday Morning cartoons, 90’s comic books, and maybe a little anime.

>>6190369
I do the same things everyone do
Read books watch courses google shit i can't draw and use my favourite artist as reference
I've been drawing for 4 full years ATLEAST 2 hours a day
sometimes i can go as far as 12 hours a day
So did you spend enough time studying and drawing to be able to copy like me

>>6190403
>4 full years ATLEAST
Lets see anons work.

Things I never finished

>>6190361
Oh yeah I did make it less blueish thought it wasn't dark enough for good contrast.

>>6190405
i post frequently u'd probably seen my shit
I think i am the only fkey enjoyer here anyway

i wish i could draw, or do any art

>>6190416
And why dont you do it? There a a lot here who draw like shit but they still do it

>>6190414
Pretty based and GMI.

>>6190421
thanks anon

>>6190414
stuff to the right is far more interesting than the weebshit, but pretty cool anon

>>6190419

Because this is about as good as i can do

>>6190419
Because this is about as good as i can do it

I don't get the theory of perspective and construction and i can only copy images, not actually draw

Is it possible to gain drawing skills with a tiny notepad about the size of an adult hand?
This is the best I could afford right now, okay?

Does anyone know why this looks like a blender model?

>>6190477
It looks like someone took a 3D model and slightly painted over it. You can literally see the anti aliasing on the guns and hat.

Are local art classes any good for a /prebeg/?

>>6190486
yes, having someone that can guide you and tell you what you're doing right/wrong will help a lot more than asking literal who strangers on the internet

>>6190477
because it is a 3D model?

unless theres a vid of the artist process i doubt this isnt a 3D model

Can someone rate these three from best to worst?
>>6190211
>abominations
Explain.

>>6190479
How did you add screentones?

>>6190485
That's actually a very common approach. All the good artists usually edit their renders to make them a bit better

>>6190500
why did you frame those?

>>6190506
My mother bought a frame from the dollar store and I really liked the idea so bought a bunch more. It's no different from setting your wallpaper to your art, just physical, and also your drawings look way better because you look at it from further away and at a different angle. It also improves the look of the color. Also since I can look at it all the time I can see all the places to improve on, like the hat here.
Can you give me a rating for each?

>>6190500
Similar vibes

>>6190502
I'm so glad someone asked because it was complete accident with me fucking with layers and blending modes and I will probably forget in a few hours. Is basically a layer with the drawing, a layer with the drawing on soft light and the filter of screen tone on the filter gallery on photoshop and another one with a few gradients on hardmix on opposite colors each, like red cyan, blue yellow or green and orange. I've done this before but I was not sure how so I'm kinda glad I have some idea now, I'm just not sure of how much freedom you have to do much with it.

>>6190510
10/10 every time sweetie

>>6190514
Could you make a video on how to do this?

I imagine a lot of people would find this useful

>>6190519
No. Maybe if I master what exactly I'm doing and how it works, for now is just me going back and fourth the layer modes, not a lot of point and would only confuse people more.

I have this OC I want to draw but I lack the skill to do it.
While I work on my basic skill level, would it be a good idea to practice by drawing fanart of popular characters to get a feel for a style before I draw the OC proper?

>>6190521
Smart answer. Don't want to be the blind leading the blind.

>>6190489
What should I look for? Still life courses?

>>6190528
depends on what you want to learn; though maybe it might be wise to learn some basics before going to a course just to save some time and get a feel for what it might be that you want to pursue

>>6190523
post your current drawings or else you will only get generic answers or trolls and not good advice on how to go about improving

>>6190530
They are not trolls anon they are just fucking useless, its almost like most of them already know they are not gonna make it and are so mad about it that they give bad criticism to those who are actually trying

Here comes another stupid question about scheduling:
If you have one hour increments available to spend on drawing between four-eight hours of work, is it better to work in those increments or try to find a way to draw for two-four hours straight even if that's at the end of the day and you're exhausted and don't have the same zeal to draw as you did in the morning?

>>6190535
Have some mercy on them anon. I once had a nightmare mode art teacher in school who blatantly played favorites and wasn't very nice to those who weren't to put it lightly. I was scarred from that incident for years and never found the courage to draw until after I graduated college.

>>6190500
>explain
You draw like a toddler and yet you frame your shit

>>6190523
>get a feel for a style
you wot
your "style" just happens and will evolve with your skill

>>6188866
>Portrait 1
Nose and mouth are too large
>Portrait 2
Head is too square
Forehead is too small
Mouth could be larger
Neck is too thick
Drawn like a man
>Portrait 3
Nose and mouth are too large
>Portrait 4
Nose is not turned up
Gap between nose and mouth should be smaller
Neck should be longer

I would say you could start painting with these sketches (maybe with the exception of portrait 2), but be aware that you'll need to correct these areas as you paint.

>>6189643
>how do i get good proportions, just practice a lot
Practice, and get into the habit of measuring your drawing at regular intervals to ensure things go out of proportion as you draw. If necessary, throw a simple grid down over your reference and compare it with your portrait to see where areas need correcting.

>>6190548
>You draw like a toddler and yet you frame your shit
Lmao pyw.
Tough huh. I bet it would be, getting mogged by a beg.

Hail victory to new good fun art styles.
Give the world YOUR unique soul.

>>6190554
yeah sure here's one of my old pieces

sometimes I forget drawing's supposed to be fun
>>6190229
sick brushwork

>>6190548
>>6190554
pyw anon, dont tell me esdeath schizo is gonna out chad you

>>6190554
anon, even the lowest of begs is still above you, your stuff makes me want to vomit

>>6190569
>sometimes I forget drawing's supposed to be fun
thats what makes it frustrating sometimes

if you draw for fu you dont improve, if you draw to improve the fun runs out quick

gotta strike a balance

>>6190572
another anon not posting work while crabbing esdeath schizo

at this point im turning into a fan of esdeath schizo and his new "igaf story arc"

>>6190567
Nice coloring. Sad that it's a different medium. Yours has the 3D effect, cool. Now show me the outline and let's compare its true appeal with >>6190554
[spoiler[Sorry but you didn't mog me, I started coloring yesterday and discovered how easy coloring is[/spoiler]
>>6190572
Pyw.

I have no love for family-guy, South Park, Simpsons, rick and morty etc and the luminal space world it created.

People die in the dark corners of the worlds soulless ugliness.

Show the indifferent cruelty of the “universe” the the indomitable human spirit.

The only god is love.
We’re all in this together.

A good thought/spirit put into your art can change the souls of everyone.

Never conform to evil.
Only ever do what you love.

>>6188594
Pathetic.

>>6190554
>Lmao pyw.

>Pyw

Absolutely defeated.

>>6190579
Yeah you definetely preprebeg schizo since you don't see how big is the difference between you and me

>>6190570
>pyw

Any time anyone says pyw you know they've been absolutely defeated

Redesign everything.

Art creates souls.

Create only souls you love.

Well?

>>6190589
Not really. I find myself hard to mog without taking into account time spent drawing and progress. I'm guessing you've been drawing for at least a few years, meanwhile I only picked up trad again last week. Hard to make me feel bad when I only picked up the pencil again a week ago. Try again.

>>6190580
Based and gmi

I got a tablet recently and I'm having a lot of fun just doodling around - but I'm fucking lost on how to improve/what to do.
I know I should be drawing simple shapes to start with but what next? Where do I start? What exercises should I do? Do I just copy from references until it clicks?
Studying a broad subject like art by myself is making my brain melt. Doesn't help I have no prior experience in art at all.

>>6190592
>>6190597
sex

Where can i get the Kyle's Brushes megapack?

Don't have the Photoshop subscription or access to private torrents.

Mog? I didn't need to mog you
I said you draw like a toddler and so unaware of yourself that you literaly frame and hang you drawings and then you asked to post my work
At this point i'm not giving any yous to you and will consider you a troll

>>6190648
Well, I'm actually not that impressed. You have the technique but really lack the appeal. Let's pretend >>6190554 was rendered in the same way you rendered >>6190567
My portrait would obviously outshine yours, and would even receive better reception on social media for its appeal alone. It's an interesting combination of anime and realism while yours is basically a human version of the girl from the Disney movie Antz or something.
Taste can't be practiced, but honestly you should be more critical of your work. I think you've been blinded by the skill you have, which is easily attainable within a year by the way.

>>6190477
Complex multisource lighting, with zero thought given to texture beyond a surface's reflectivity. Some parts, like the lines on the neck and the way she's gripping the guns look completely amateurish - which contributes to the uncanny valley effect even if you don't consciously pay attention to it - and the parts that are great are all things that are trivial for a 3D modelling software to do.
There's no easy fix, beyond starting with a higher quality 3D model.

>>6187945
Finished Bridgmans Constructive Anatomy.


Gonna do a 2nd copy of Bridgman but using his Complete Drawing From Life book instead this time since its bigger and more detailed.

>>6190577
Yeah, I'm starting to like esdeath schizo. I remember his posts from about a year ago, and he's genuinely gotten better since them. He doesn't let petty excuses like lack of talent or overwhelmingly negative feedback stop him from improving. I wish I was half as motivated as him.
He's not even the biggest schizo in the thread, since this fucking weirdo showed up. >>6188853

>>6190550
But I have a really crappy looking style from doing lazy doodles
Are you telling me there's a chance to evolve from that? I don't need to be afraid of my current style sticking?

>>6190668
yes
i'm sure somebody here has a picture of somebody going from retard tier "style" to something actually decent
you have to fuck around a bit yourself of course and experiment to find things you like and try to incorporate it into your own drawings
and most importantly don't get discouraged by mistakes (especially if you're an autistic perfectionist like me) just erase 'em and try again

>>6190529
>depends
Ooff, that's what I thought. There's a ton I want to learn and unlearn, the latter being bad habits that kept me stuck. I guess perspective and anatomy? I don't know what all the big categories of art studies are. Is there a handy checklist?

I can finally do 8 superimposed lines without too losing the line too much. It's an extremely small accomplishment but it made me happy

>>6190597
How long did you spend on those sexy torsos? What references did you use?

>>6190687
No reference for any of them and about 45ish minutes each? I really want to learn proper anatomy already, just sketching stuff like this and never finishing any of it is painful.

will doodling the sphere, box and cylinder for hours really give me the ability to "feel the form"?
is there no better way to do that?

I just wanted to have fun learning how to draw, do I really need to go through a bunch of books doing shit I don't want to?

>>6190692
Damn. How much time have you spent staring at sexy torsos like those to be able to visualize them and draw them so clearly?

>>6190718
It's not that I spent a lot of time looking at torsos, it's just that they're about the only thing I can draw on my current level.
It's part of why I desperately want to actually learn everything else.

>>6190597
Just going off what you posted you already have a basic grasp of the fundies, at least intuitively. You could go through any of the meme figure drawing books (Vilppu, Hampton, Loomis, etc.).

>>6190739
Thanks. Any particular ones to focus on/avoid?

>>6190652

>>6190771

>>6190742
Vilppu (Vilppu Drawing Manual), Loomis, Hampton (Figure Design and Invention) all have good all around books. Bridgman is great but more esoteric. Usually it just comes down finding the one that clicks for you, some books work well for some people and not for others, and some explain certain concepts better than others, it's a matter of preference. These should all be in the artbook thread OP, check the mega links.

>>6190727
That's more than what I can draw, which is to say a miserable pile of symbols.

>>6190771
How much for this NFT?

>>6190704
try having FWaP

new
>>6190830
>>6190830
>>6190830

>>6190403
don't know the books, don't know the courses, don't know what to google, don't have favs
what do

>>6190685
Congratulations anon

>>6190474
Yes? It's just a matter of practice and knowing what to practice. Materials aren't really the most important thing if you're just working on building a good foundation of knowledge. That becomes more of a priority when you reach intermediate level and want to expand

>>6190594
Honestly anon, don't listen to these losers, they're just bitter and like punching down on people. If you enjoy your art, that's all that matters, and that's something that no amount of skill can give you. You'll improve with time anyway, I've found that the hardest part about art is continuing to enjoy it once it becomes all technical.

If you want to improve fast, finding artists on YouTube who are a few levels above you and taking their advice/approach works well. You can also improve organically, by yourself, but that takes far longer

Am i supposed to be doing 30 second gesture drawings? I keep hearing i have to do 30 second gesture drawings for hours a day until i get good but shouldn't i actually be putting effort into my drawings to get good?

>>6192704
You need to put effort into your 30 second gesture drawings to get good. A 30 second pose is about reducing the figure to the most important things that you can capture in that time, as you improve, you will be able to capture more.

>>6192704
that's stupid and you're probably doing it mindlessly

>>6190500
This is peak mental health crisis. Holy shit meds.