/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Last thread was literally (1) away from being archived so I made this one.

lolis
I need to see some Lolis

Do you guys have a niche eg: character illustrations, horror, backgrounds etc?

Mine is comic backgrounds but I feel like my character drawing skills suck too much any hope of making anything popular so I'm torn between taking the landscape pill and focusing on background illustrations only or trying to improve my character drawing skills enough to be good enough to make a semi successful webtoon.

Where do i start posting my art where people could casually see it and i could slowly build a following?
My first idea was something like twitter, since a lot of people use it and it isnt just solely for art, but i very much dislike the general twitter user base. Perhaps a twitter account where i dont follow anyone and dont interact but post art? How would people find me anyway? Hashtags?

>>6179097
have you tried instagram?

>>6179102
No, i didn't even think of that actually. Not a bad shout

>>6179085
Maybe draw inspiration from comics that incorporate both backgrounds and characters together well. Have a style you like to see and just try to practice keeping them in the space, I wouldn't count out your ability to draw both.

>>6179104
finally something good from you

Some funny anatomy from imagination, i wish i can draw hands.

Going through a book of masters, pretty fun.
Skipping the ones I don't like; saving difficult ones( in my opinion) I like, such as the dead Achilles mourned by Thetis which kicked my butt on the first try.

>>6179132
The third one looks very flat.

Trying to do more fun compositions with full backgrounds

Princess and frog wip

>>6178986

so....gentelmen.....

whats your input?

Some hair practice

>>6179097
What kind of art? I would say Pixiv is number one, followed by DeviantArt

>>6179172
Learn the skull and proportions. The problem of first one is wrong jaw, she looks like some habsburg. Mouth must be located on the little elevation, imagine a little sphere and put it there.

Did some quick gestures and faces. For maximum improvement, should i continue drilling these quick drawings or should i try making more "finished" drawings?

>>6179231
both

how do i shade hair

>>6179231
Saved, good stuff

>>6179188
Thanks
Could you redline it for me?

>>6179085
holy shit teach me bro

>>6178988
No it wasn't you stupid newfag idiot. It might have been one post before the bump limit, but threads don't get archived until they reach the end of page 10. The previous thread is still alive right now.

You also kept the previous thread's edition and didn't cross-link this thread to the previous one. You're a complete moron and a trash thread maker.

drew a knight smoking a cigarette
just for fun

>>6179485
oh man can you shut the fuck up how do you faggots have this much energy to be petulant little fucking pissbabies like seriously read your own post and cringe you loser get a fucking life

I'M LOOOMING

>>6179188
>wrong jaw
Huh? That's just your preference, it's not "wrong". It looks fine.

>>6179521
LOOM, LOOMER!

I am 43 years old and have never drawn before.
Is it too late to learn?

>>6179532
nah
u can learn it, if u really want

>>6179532
steve huston said an artist hits one’s stride in their 60’s. you have time

>>6179493
would he pass the boof?

>>6179510
You made a complete and utter idiot of yourself by failing to bake a simple thread properly. You're a worthless moron.

>>6179188
Kys it looks fine. How he doesn't listen to you

bros my wrist

>>6178197
Okay, second exercise from drawing on the right side of the brain, the upside down Picasso drawing.
I intentionally didn't block anything out before hand like she says, and also sectioned off the picture 1 bit at a time which lead to things getting kind of skewed over time, like obviously his right arm is gigantic. but I just tried to draw the lines I could see at one time like it says to.

>>6179172
>>6179188
>>6179522
The head on the left is acceptable as >>6179522 says.. Variation in the human face exists in reality. There's some wonky construction going on in the head on the right, though. The lower half of the face is a touch too long for the sphere as it's drawn. The sphere itself is small for the head. That's just by my estimation, though.

Anybody else here /adhd/ and have severe trouble getting themselves to sit down for even short periods of time to practice? I'm naturally talented but literally being unable to not be distracted makes it incredibly hard to do art seriously, I have to actually lock away my phone and block all other avenues to get myself to draw seriously for more than a few minutes. It's not for lack of being interested, constantly switching tasks is a prevalent problem even for things I'm passionate for

>>6179544
im not even that person believe it or not more than one person thinks your an angsty little bitch

>>6179188
lmao this really just epitomizes why these threads are fucking garbage. beginners shouldnt be teaching beginners, if your not capable of clearly seeing the one on the right is the problem and not only that but give critique on the left which is perfectly fine you should just shut the hell up and listen more instead of handing out bad advice. these threads really never cease to amaze me

>>6179580
(reference used)

>>6179493
he looks like a bro, thanks for sharing anon

>can produce nice straight lines or smooth curves on paper no problem
>meanwhile digital lines are janky jagged garbage without fail

What could be the issue?

crits?

>>6179485
It was on page 10 when I made it and as soon as this thread got posted the previous one was archived.

>>6179104
blog?

>>6179610
Hi Yoshihiro Togashi I didn't know you browse 4chan and much less that you were just starting to draw. fuck off retard you are not smart nor funny

>>6179600
My pleasure

drew a face and a hair for the third time after some practice and i hate it, any tips?

>>6179608
Are you using a glove for digital? It makes a big difference in my experience

>>6179622
@dairenke_art

>>6179722
really good stuff
praying for your success brother

>>6179722
Oh haven't seen you around in a while

>>6179679
Stop symbol drawing
Steve Huston head drawing course free on youtube

>>6179584
Might want to get a higher definition reference
>>6179679
Your drawing looks decent enough. The face is pretty much only symbols though. Try working on 3d shapes to challenge yourself and understand why and how to abstract a face into symbols
>>6179149
Looks dope
>>6179493
Also dope
>>6179158
Also dope

Trying to learn how to paint.

Other than the resemblance and eye direction being off I think I did ok. I started with grayscale because dealing with colors fucks with my heads a bit.

Tell me what I did wrong

>>6179841
whoops forgot pic

>>6179584
>>6179580
grain of salt cause i still suck and eyeball shit, but try working on a larger canvas/paper. drawing bigger helps me get lucky sometimes with getting the likeness kinda sorta in the right direction, despite being off in a lot of shit

>>6179842
The nose seems a bit off to me desu but I like it good job

>>6179842
not bad but if ur trying to recreate accurate values the darks on the left and under the chin go a step or two darker. ur background is too light which is probably why u didnt go dark enough.

>>6179842
shadow on the cheek/neck could be a little darker

Comanchepo, for his birthday! I have since studied hair and backgrounds and more loomis, but for the love of god, how can I make it look more clean instead of scratchy and gross?

day 1 of learning how to draw

today i learned how to hold the pencil with the overhand grip and my index finger supporting the pencil on the bottom

i also practiced drawing really soft lines for an hour, making circles and figure 8s

how is yalls day going?

How do I get started drawing, what is the best “first resource” y’all would recommend?

>>6180095
the best "first resource" I would recommend would be just draw and get comfortable with your tools

>>6180095
anything beginning with simple geometric and organic 3D forms first

recommend going to the artbook general links or just zlib and get Vilppu drawing manual and focus on the initial parts of drawing cubes annd other forms then bending ad squishing them until you can draw those simple hapes form memory no problem

then you can continue into the simple gesture drawing part along with drawing for yourself simple objects like plants, injects, shoes etc so you get used to the basics of a human figure without burden of studying anatomy right away and putting 3D form drawing to practise with the objects

from here it will depends from person to person and what they want to do but starting with 3D forms and drawing simple objects/gesture is the best way to learn from the ground up

>Try to practice
>Its 40 Celsius
>Finally muster up enough will to actually do something and draw instead of dying in-front of a cooler
>The wind blows my paper sheet
I fucking hate summer, i should move to scandinavia

>>6180110
>i should move to scandinavia
then you complain of cold
the play is to move somewhere thats a moderate 20-25 degrees whole year

>>6180119
>then you complain of cold
but i love winter
>the play is to move somewhere thats a moderate 20-25 degrees whole year
What language do i need to learn
Anyway, back on the topic, how goes your study?

>>6180095
buy some mechanical pencils and just draw on whatever cheap paper is available. finding the right resource to learn from depends on what your goals are.

>>6180134
>he can't handle the cold
Sanchez please

>>6180158
?
art?

What are good drawing stand recommendations? I heard it's really good for your neck overall and more importantly I am just working on my desk table and I've lost one too many drawings from eraser marks. I mainly do traditional art albeit I'm trying to move into digital as well so anything that can hold paper, hold an iPad and not consume the entire table is highly appreciated. If the type of traditional art matters I'm mainly using pencils I have a small set up for paintings already.

>>6180185
If I have to buy two separate stands that's also fine, priority is on physical paper (I typically draw 9x12 inch but I can imagine a world where I have to go bigger) it's surprising how difficult it is to find recommendations online.

>>6179722
dang
thought it was that schizo anon

What are good exercises to develop an intuition for basic forms interacting in perspective? I'm willing to sit down with some tea for a few hours of practice but my mind just goes blank when I think about how to approach it. I'd like to get it under control enough to, say, deconstruct simple items and draw them next to each other, on top of each other, leaning etc., think something like a cluttered desk. I'd really appreciate something concrete.

>>6180225
Just start with simple fruits and gradually go more advanced from there from there. It helps train your mind to see life as a collection of shapes.

>>6179956
thanks, I see what your saying. I dont think I went dark enough on the nose shadow and tried to render it too early.

>>6180048
>>6180069

Thanks for the tips. I can seen now my values on the skin didnt go dark enough. Imma try starting with a better matched background first.

>>6179840
Appreciate it anon

Some more rendering on the same piece. First time painting fabric like this from imagination, so that was fun

>>6179085
I was recently told that my penchant for drawing raccoons and goblins is schizo behavior.
Why are there two beg/int threads? This is very distressing.

>>6179186
I thought pixiv was only for hentai?

>>6180449
Both. And both have huge audiences too.

Doing some exercises from Perspective Made Easy; here's the one with a man looking at the near and far ends of a long, narrow table.

Let me know if I did it wrong; I'm typically pretty bad at perspective and don't have a long, narrow table in my tiny apartment.

Don't really know why there's 2 threads but okay... Something completely different for fun, makes me want to draw my own family as usual.
Underestimated Videl's height so kind of scrunched, also got distracted by pecs in one box that's obvious so couldn't elaborate on hair more.
But catching up on drawing nonetheless.

>>6180590
See: >>6180308

Here is the real thread: >>6179347
Because it wasn't made early, because it was cross-linked properly.

This OP >>6178986 is a retard.

>>6178986
This face looks like shit can someone explain why, faces are the most difficult thing for me

>>6180600
have fucking sex retard holy shit

>>6180584
Is the table at eye level? I think the table edge would br closer to the bottom of the frame, much like how the far end of the table is close to the top of the frame in the bottom picture. The angle of the receding lines would also be closer to 90 degrees, as the viewer is looking down at the tabletop.

>>6180666
More like this, then?

>>6180684
I guess? I mean, it's your hypothetical table, dude. Dunno why the tabletop thickness would change.

>>6180636
Lack of construction

I'm going into as much construction as possible to understand how to actually draw bodies, this one was through a yt video on figure drawing. I know i fucked up a bit on her thighs and genitals region. please help guys

>>6179840
you got anything good on faces broski?

>>6180636
Need to construct the faces, I prefer loomis method but whatever works because otherwise you get stuff like the really wonky forehead. Ears are also ~the distance between the tip of the eye and the bottom of the nose and yours isn't.

>>6180765
The upper half of the torso isn't too bad. The pectorals are way too small. The ribcage could be bigger. The center line is improperly placed. Still, it looks like some thought went into constructing the body. I don't know what's up with that left arm, though. Did you put it in the picture just to have it in the picture?

You run into trouble with the lower half. Placement of the navel on a woman is below the waist. The box you've drawn to indicate the hips is too big. Which causes the thighs to be disproportionate with the body, which leads you to cram the lower legs and feet into the bottom of the frame. These are things you learn not to do with practice and study. Proportion. Anatomy. You've got a long road ahead of you.

>>6180843
this is really helpful anon- left arm was behind the body but i felt like I didn't know how to convey that. I plan on just doing a figure a day at the very least to just... get anatomy. trial and error. what would you say are the best resources for that? using my eyes and translating it can only help me improve so much, yeah?

>>6180845
hot

>>6179172
In reference to the right head, when drawing a loomis head, the top of the ear should be approx. at the horizontal plane of the cross drawn in the center of the cutoff circle. This line should follow to the front of the face and mark the eyebrows. The the bottom of the ear should be at the bottom of the cutoff circle where it meets with the jaw, and a line follows from there to the front of the face to mark the nose.

>>6179842
I did another one, had the opposite problem with not going bright enough with the highlights
I also didnt do very well on the construction, but I think this ones a little nicer to look at If I ignore the reference

I just got inspired
beg

>>6180600
I see

Goblins, orcs, and elf.

I'm 3 days in and only now I've realized how long it is gonna take... Holy shit. I admire you guys.

>>6180895
Yes pal, i hope you will do it, this would be a hard and long travel.

i wanna cry that i started learning so late

>>6180895
but its worth it and along the way you will learn a lot of cool shit and look at the world around you in a different way than the average person

dont give up anon just because it takes years, take it one day at a time

The real /beg/ thread:

>>6179347
>>6179347
>>6179347

>>6180898
>>6180914
Thank you anons. We are, for sure, gonna make it.

>>6180915
this is the /int/ thread then?

>>6180852
Loomis and Bridgman are memes for good reason. Try them first. Getting an art anatomy atlas might also be helpful.

Why is it so much easier to do short hatching lines when you loop the strokes?

>>6180119
Wouldn't recommend.
Winters fucking suck.

At 29, it's way too late to start.
Make sure you study while you can, kids.

Decided to use the ref Pic of pvthe op

is this sexy

>>6182304
Could be, for someone

>>6182304
that someone is me

First time I feel really good after ending a drawing since I started, I don't have much time to practice but I can feel the progress since I started, any tips for this beg /ic/?

>>6182334
>any tips
You seem to have good control of the lines and forms of figure drawing, now I'd work on your shading and value work.
Namely, push your darks more

>>6182334
>>6182346
Agreed, also practice backgrounds as a heads up for when you get really good at drawing faces but can't draw a sunset to save your life.

>>6182334
It's all a bit washed out. Try for greater contrast between light and dark.

>>6182346
>>6182352
>>6182357
Ty for the advices.

>>6180870
Nice Vaalues, bust add moree soft edges and lost edges into your pieces.

did this today.some critque maybe pls?

>>6182370
Values look good. Didn't quite get the figure's head or face right. Breasts' shapes are a bit off, particularly the right breast. Hands. Still, not bad.

>>6182370
You kinda paved over her midsection and made it perfectly round, compare the area around the belly button.

>>6182269
Anon, even if you die at 40, you'll still have 11 years to improve. There's plenty of time.

>>6182443
It really isn't, not when you're already 29 and a half. It's much closer to 10, and then you have to factor in the existing issues that made it impossible for you to start before, and then you have to budget for the time to actually dedicate to drawing. I've fallen asleep to art streams multiple times, I know firsthand I totally lack the enthusiasm for the constant, constant checking, the canvas rotating, managing all the layers, and that's what happens AFTER you've successfully grinded all the basics.

>still in Loomis hell

>>6182269
That's how old Hal Foster was when he started to take art classes.

>>6182494
And? He was drawing for a long while beforehand.

>>6182491
This seems entirely a "you" problem.

>>6182504
Did I say it wasn't? Like I said, I'm trying to advise people. Maybe it's useless. I know I've tried, and failed, for a long time, at least since 2010. Can you imagine dealing with constant failure like that?

LMAOing at whoever told me I was ngmi.

>>6182507
Thy wil always be failures since we are not perfect in our actions.

>>6182511
d-did you actually frame that or is it photoshopped in...?

>>6182511
Lol

>>6182511
I kneel

>>6182513
But it can help with proper prep, and that starts by starting earlier.

>>6182507
I'm saying it's a "you" problem, but you're using age as a scapegoat. Van Gogh was considered a failure by his contemporaries, but he still continued to paint, and his work is still vital today. You say you're trying to advise peole, but you really want to wallow in self-pity. Fine. Indulge yourself. Then get over yourself.

>>6182523
No anon, I'm explaining the perspective of the many people who can't hack it and you really need to be mindful of them when you go around telling people they can draw.

Don't really see the problem if you have fun with your pencil.

>>6179085
Give me your @, i can pay you to do some work for me.

Going for a "sexy superpower girl escaping secret lab" thing here I guess. This was just supposed to be a composition sketch but then I spent two hours on it. I'll have to redraw with the perspective fixed.

>>6182562
>oh no stranger things
>eleven? No this is evelyn
Looks like cringing things to me

Hello beg, idk if we will use his thread since the old one is sliding off. Today its very ugly, i am ashamed, sure goal was quick sketch but still EW kill me

>>6182370
The face needs work. You wont learn how to draw hands if you dont draw them lmao. Otherwise it mogs me hard. Finish your work anon. Hands, nipples, face.
>>6182304
Eh it is too mild for seasonal coomer like me. It leans more to the cute side. But you need shading, coloring or really good outlines to reach coomer standards
>>6182269
>>6179532
Its less about age and more about free time. Boomers typically dont have free time at all while kids have shitton of free time. Also PYW
>>6180895
Yeah same. Before i started i considered people charging 200$ per pic as absurd thing. Now i see the hidden pain behind it
>>6180225
Multiple people and courses said the same thing: practice and repetition. Aka use reference (to make double sure you are drawing them correctly) for 3D cube or cylinder and just draw them 9999 times from various angles
>>6180092
You forgot to PYW anon :-)
>>6179250
If its shiny hair you slap in random white lines in direction of growth/shape to suggest the texture. If it isnt shiny hair you do the same but with black / darker tones.
>>6179177
My input is that you dont need extra layers to make such effect. A simple low opacity soft brush with white would do the same. Looks okay
>>6179097
Twitter, Pixiv, DevianArt, NewGrounds, Furaffinity, ArtStation and lets not forget cesspit like reddit or forums of drawing apps like krita or csp where they have sections to PYW what you made in the app
>>6182562
It took me a while to realize the dude on left is supposed to be lying dead with headshot. It shows promise of soul

>>6182535
Some people see drawing as something to dread rather than something to enjoy. There's nothing wrong with that. The synthesis between artist and commissioner over thousands of years could never have happened if anyone was capable of drawing.
>>6182569
>Boomers typically dont have free time at all while kids have shitton of free time
Yeah, kids have it way easier. By the time they're adults, they've got a hell of an efficiency advantage over a dumb boomer who never held a pencil for long.

I'm not a boomer but fuck you anyway

What happened to the googly eyes fag? Finally get banned for low quality drawings and spam?

>>6182571
I sometimes get pissed off by commissioners. But then again sometimes im mad at myself for missing the mark. Tough times to draw.

>>6182565
Never seen that show. My inspo was Lifeforce, vague memories of Elfin Lied, and the Delta Green cover.

>>6182581
It is stranger things.
You need to trace.

>>6182584
Trace your meds, schizo

feel free to comment anything crits on anything! its like 15percent done :D

any recommendations for a book or course that teaches how to draw clothes

how to keep drawing if my drawing in question is complete shit?

>>6182599
hey how did you get this good

One whole week of practice and I'm still not a master artist... I give up.

No but in all seriousness I need someone to tell me what to work on to get better.

>>6182603
I copy a lot of manga pages and watch youtube channels like hidechannel
I also separate the torso into two boxes and use loomis with different proportions for the face

Watching art tutorials is so... humbling, to put it positively. I wish there were drawing lessons where the artist lobotomized himself so that your own results are comparable to what you see, while still learning.

>>6182609
Just keep drawing.

>>6182609
Copy bargue plates and keep working on them until its hard to tell the dofference between yours and the original. This is literally the fastest way to improve and it's free.

Starting to learn how to draw eyes and the parts of the face, i-its hard.

>>6182622
It never gets easier. You just get better.

>>6179679
Eyes are usually a "eye width" apart
+ this is my own taste but I usually have a larger chin size and less big nose

>>6182626
lo-looks cool desu

>>6182630
stop acting like a faggot.

>>6182601
Sometimes the best course of action is to start completely over from scratch. You don't have to abandon everything. If you can salvage the composition, or the pose, or whatever, go for it. Otherwise, maybe a fresh start is needed.

>>6182637
sorry mane

>>6182609
first question: what does your study routine look like? pic is what i drew in my first week

>>6182679
Well I looked at videos of how to draw figures like the Loomis head and the lines and ellipses to make the torso, and I've been trying to replicate some of the poses I see in drawings or pictures, plus trying to draw some without a reference (like what I posted)

Critique my OC please

>>6182688
how long do you practice each day? stick to one goal and make a plan so you’re not jumping between resources and studies too much. and drawing without a reference is most likely going to turn out shitty, so don’t worry

>>6182702
An hour a two each night. My goal is to be good at drawing humans.
>>6182615
First attempt. I think it's a bit harder to draw lines on a tablet (with no display) than on paper, but Ctrl-Z and the many other features exclusive to digital work more than makes up for it.

>>6182729

>>6182629

>>6182729
An hour or two*

any famous artist on youtube? not capeshit or anime but actual artists. want to watch a really good, realist artist do some gesture and whatever else.

Don’t know what to do with this one now.

>>6182740
Vilppu

Started this one.

Boy, it sure is cool knowing that none of you beg idiots know how to resize an image to 1000px, even though the instructions are outlined in the OP.

You people are so goddamn stupid it's embarrassing.

>>6182744
>it needs to be EXACLTY 1000px or lower
Imagine being a phone poster

Point out examples

end up inking it, dunno if i made it worse, but i do need to practive my inking either way
>>6179551
>>6180861
thanks frens, i'll try to remember that

>>6182733
fucking awesome
blog?

>>6182744
I know, I just don't care

>>6182733
How to draw poses/perspective like that?

>>6182752
https://twitter.com/trowawa70746347
I already posted but because I need to take a pause of a few hours to decide what style I should choose to finish this one, so is pretty much still a wip.

>>6182759
Do a lot of gesture while studying primitives and perspective, you want to internalize the perspective in your construction process and have enough familiarity with the human form to use it, 30% gesture 70% perspective I would say.

I used to suck at perspective until one year ago or so until it clicked, something that helped also was using "spirals" in the construction process so i could complete visualize the "form" of the cylinder with the lines. But is also something I internalize overtime.

>>6182771
>studying primitives and perspective
Wat?

>>6182792
ngmi

What's prebeg?
What's permabeg?
I say this as someone who's likely in one of those categories.

>>6182792
Cubes, cylinders, pyramids, etc... Anything you use in your construction process, do enough were you don't need the perspective grid anymore and you can eyeball it enough were doesn't look fucked up and use in the same process as you do some gesture. My personal approach for this sort of pose is just trying to visualize a bunch of one point vanish points while drawing each body part but each one going in a different direction, all inside my head. If you do enough perspective studies no different of how you learn to draw anime eyes or how you learn what makes a good looking face this becomes second nature and easier, if you do enough of it there is.

>>6182803
>>6182771
Ah i see. damn i never heard the term "primitive shape" lol
Thank you very much friend

Had to take ~2 break from painting due to work/vacation, but back trying to finish this photo study. Once again I can never seem to polish a piece, I just hit a plateau where it seems that all I'm doing is pushing paint around.

>>6182801
beg = a beginner. Lacking fundamental drawing skills. Standards here are higher than what the general public would say. Time spent drawing doesn't factor in, you could be drawing for 10 years and still be a beginner in terms of skill.
prebeg = prebeginner. Absolutely no fundamental skills. Usually used as self-deprecatingly or as an insult.
permabeg = permanent beginner, someone who will always be stuck in the beginner skill level. Used the same way as prebeg.

Not sure what I can gleam for this other than the fact I suck

Is simply constructing and copying anime faces really going to help? I struggle a lot with stylised heads and they look like shit. My realism looks way way better.

any good guides on skin rendering

Is there a "wrong" way to hold a pencil/fineliner? I'm holding mine near the very beginning/bottom and just now started to wonder if i should change my grip or not. Is it just personal preference?

>>6182744
but how will you be able to see the details

I'm trying to practice drawing 2 bodies interacting with each other, how is it anons? I can see shoulders being a bit wonky and hands being a bit inconsistent with one another, what else I can improve?

>>6182932
oh my god not only I fucked up ssing but my pic looks like a child's compared to everyone else here, god I thought I would be better than this after 2 years

>>6182603
Using reference that's how

Hi, used to be a (very very average) cartoon drawer in high school, but medical stuff really fucked me out of using my hands. Going on 30 now and it's finally a bit better, and I bought a nice midrange tablet.
If I want to learn from scratch again, where's the best to start? The sticky says Loomis so I'll definitely start there but does anyone know any obvious "I wish I'd known this" when learning digital from scratch?
Software I guess I'll use MyPaint or FireAlpaca, they seem like good starting points.

>>6182954
Start with perspective and don't forget to draw for fun from time to time. Pirate CSP or Photoshop. Use hotkeys.

>>6182960
Are CSP/PS beginner friendly if you're only really going to be doing lineart and some minor layer stuff?
Seems like a ton of knowledge is needed just to know what to turn off

>>6182961
They are absolutely okay even if you're just starting out. The difference is they have better engines and more nice tools that you will discover later.

>>6182964
Cool, I'll try PS with Loomis' cute ass books, thanks anon.

how do i make something pop more against a background? everything blends in together

I keep seeing this man in my dreams

>>6182985
Make the background less vibrant.

>>6183004
gem

>>6182860
yes
>realism looks better
pyw
>>6182897
they’ll also tell you to constantly sharpen your pencils with a razor blade. just do what feels comfortable and works because there’s no “correct” way to draw
>>6182954
read loomis if you want to draw people, yeah. try not to get stuck mastering one thing for too long and move on if you at least understand it. you have the rest of your life to master what you learn, so learn as fast as possible

>>6179550
>Okay. I pulled out the copy of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain that I stole from my sister 12 years ago and never actually did any work from.
That's about the same amount of time I begged my sister to buy me that book. Your post inspired me to give drawing on the right side another go.

first time trying out this sort of rendering and lighting after doing lineart + flat colors for ages, any thoughts? i kinda signified where i want the highlights to be, but i honestly think i should push it a bit further like how i did the face (which was on a complete whim desu) but i genuinely can't think of where the light should go and how harsh i should make it
also this looks way more washed out on my computer than it does on my tablet, could someone just tell me how it looks like on their screen? is it readable or does it need more contrast?

>>6183071
>dude just draw
You refuse to learn proper anatomy
You refuse to learn proper gesture
You refuse to learn proper construction
You will be forever stuck drawing like a beg, no matter how much you draw

>>6182593
awesome colors and shading, though i'd maybe add a little bit more light. not a fan of the lips, on madoka's face it makes her look like she's waaaaaay older. would love to see the final piece

>>6183083
Pyw.

>>6183115
Be thankful I spent 3 minutes of my time doing this shit
I could post some of my finished jobs but honestly I dont think its worth the effort trying to prove anything to a schizo on 4chan.

>>6183129
Its not even a good gesture bro...
>but it was 3 minutes
3 minutes is enough time to lay a good gesture.

>>6183129
Okay, first of all, I constructed. That was a drawing that I used construction for. Notice how it's noticeably worse than my non-construction drawings? It's because I'm better at drawing without it.
Sure, construction is important, but I never said I'm skipping construction I'm merely warming up since I haven't drawn in six months. Construction is a chore, without warming up to drawing I won't be able to do something like that for every drawing I make.
Also I was aware that the right arm was too long and the vagina was missing.
Secondly your perspective for the boobs and sword is wrong. Here's the ref.
I'd like to see your portraits (constructed and non-constructed) and compare to >>6182511
Explain how I am able to finish a high quality portrait without construction? It's because I drew portraits-only for TWO MONTHS with construction.

>>6183129
I thought you people have learned that esdeath is a schizo.

Why does he keep changing his placement of features?
Sometimes he draws eyes on the line, sometimes below it, sometimes above it. Or the ears, his first intreduction to the side view of the head showed the ear perfectly starting from the center of the crossing, but on the other drawings he starts a bit back
He's confusing me

>>6183157
perspective.

>>6183157
Of course i forgot the picture

>>6183159
oh. right.

>>6183071
>>6183083
>>6183129
>>6183133
>>6182511
Is this a micro penis waving contest? You’re both shit, stop acting like you know what you’re talking about.

How to stop being a schizo?

>>6183189

>>6183191

>>6183192

>>6183194

>>6183196

>>6183189
Stop drawing trannime

>>6183196
Cute!

>>6182985
If the character is in sunlight like yours, make the lit parts of the character warm and the shadows a little cooler. Make sure the background is
>less saturated
>Kpposite temperature
>contrasting in value, especially around the silhouette
I'm trying to learn myself, so I know the theory better than I can execute

>>6183213
Thanks for this image.
Its the first time I've laughed aloud in a long time.

>>6183214
I'm glad you enjoyed it ^^

>>6183074
Yeah, you definitely need more contrast

>>6183202
>traannime
>there's literally no anime and ir's just a bunch of ugly western cartoon shit

wip

>>6183285
dont use that color for the black girl it looks unappealing

>>6183289
>DONT use THAT color for the BLACK girl it looks UNAPPEALING

>>6183291
no im being genuine it doesnt look hot

>>6183285
>>6183291
I think that black color looks nice and appealing! Looks a bit like that black girl from helltaker :)
Nice work!
You got a twitter? I'd like to see more of your stuff

>>6183289
The base color is fine, could just use more saturation in the shadows. Sometimes you want actual black skin

>>6183289
>implying she's black
retarded twitternigger

>>6179722
>>6183299

also you guys are right I'll change the colors

What is this optical illusion called? When the two eyes are together it looks good, but when I cover one eye each it looks like a totally different person.

>>6183329
Its called being bad.
It never looks good.

I'll draw some magicians today

>>6182851
Exaggerate the pose, yours looks stiff and you completely fucked up the trace. Look at how sinuous the ref looks.

>>6183332
>completely fucked up the trace
Why do you faggots always have to be so hyperbolic, just tell him what he did wrong and how to do better

I am so close to drawing this baby guys, just missing a few things, just a few more weeks of study and I'll make it

>>6183335
I'm not attacking him (you?), my little delicate flower. I suppose I could outright told him to think about gesture, then big shapes, then smaller shapes. Also, that in trying to analyze while tracing, he lost sight on the more general form, which is what made his trace stiff and inaccurate.

>>6183330
Why crab? It looks almost good, even when flipped. The eyes are one eye apart, so I'm not sure what I'm missing but it's almost there. Help me out anon.

>>6183336
What the fuck nigger
Atop with tbosw big alien eyes don't you see that they're like 3 time bigger than the reference

>>6183344
they aren't even somewhat the same shape dude. they don't look good at all.

>>6183336
Good luck anon. I'm closing in on that section too

>>6183349
woah that baby has a massive dick

>>6183344
lmaoing @ those clavicles

>>6183044
>there’s no “correct” way to draw
Thanks

>>6183336
Realism is so ugly

>>6183342
You act like wanting actual tips and not useless shit flinging is a bad thing. I guess that's why this is the worst board on 4chan

>>6183348
Got any tutorials for how to determine stylized eye shapes at different angles?

>>6183368
perspective.

>>6183365
but that's not realism, that's a very heavily stylised drawing and I can't copy it for some reason haha

>>6183373
You're trying to emulate real life, semi realism is still realism

>>6183372
I don't think perspective teaches that.

>>6183374
but loomis's drawing looks good and cute and mine looks bad and shit so I'm gonna say it's my fault.
Soon it will be fixed though. Just you wait

>>6183375
>i don't think perspective teaches how forms change at different angles and distances

>>6183378
He's right, knowing perspective doesn't automatically mean you how to stylize

>>6183381
>he's right
no you're not.
this isn't a stylization problem, its that you can't draw 2 similar shaped eyes.

>>6183383
Who's you? You're talking to different people and you're not helpful

>>6183157
Other than perspective, features vary from person to person, even between different expressions on the same face, the lines are just general proportional guides. They're also cartoons so they're extra exaggerated.

>>6183378
Okay then anon can you draw these sets of eyes in 3-6 different angles using 3 point perspective or whatever method you want?

>>6183394
Why are you posting on /ic/ if you're going to be this triggered that I told you that you can't draw symmetrical eyes?

>>6183397
What? I'm not triggered, I just want to see how it's done using 3 point perspective. I studied it and don't see how it helps draw stylized eyes.

when you aren't making progress with what you're currently studying that day is it better to keep brute forcing it, or to practice something else and revisit it tomorrow? Not like something isn't clicking, but something you're usually capable of doing just isn't working out.

>>6183399
You dont use 3 point perspective for portraits

ok i have brain damage

>>6183403
Then what's this "perspective" you're talking about? How do I study it? I just want to know the right eye shape for each side at different angles.

>>6183399
then you didn't truly understand perspective
it's obvious from the way you keep saying "use 3 point perspective to draw a set of eyes"

>>6183407
I took a course in perspective.

>>6183406
Stop drawing anime.
Put a cup on your table and draw it.
Put it on a shoebox and draw it.
Put it above your head and draw it.

Do you see how the shape of the base changes as you draw it at different angles? That's all you need to do.

>>6183366
Artists are notoriously bad at communication. I wish they had the humility to accept that, but maybe if they did that they wouldn't be able to draw or something? I dunno, shit like that is why I'm scared to draw. I don't want to end up like these assholes.

>>6183410
That's not perspective study though, that's just drawing objects. It's not "perspective" as in the field of study people refer to in art. I'm all for knowing the shape of objects at different angles instinctively, but it would be better to just say draw more unique shaped objects and to rotate them.
I still doubt it will teach me eye shape though. The eye is a socket, a pocket, not an object. It's an empty void. It should be learned separately.

>>6183083
>>dude just draw
/ic/'s mantra, why are you upset he's following it?

>>6183418
You are legitimately retarded and don't want to improve.

>>6183409
and I'm saying you didn't truly get it or know how to apply it

>>6183424
I think it would be better to draw eyes than to draw apples if I want to improve eyes.

>>6183426
Thanks for the image, slightly helpful but my eyes are way more stylized.
Also I can't visualize objects in my head. I have aphantasia.

>>6183414
I'm looking forward to being able to actually help as many aspiring artists as possible. I can understand that being good at something didn't necessarily make you a good teacher, but most here are just crabs

>>6183421
please change how you do faces, its been said already and it makes your work very unappealing

>>6183422
Mindless practice without a defined purpose leads nowhere.
See Chris-chan.
Thats where the 'just draw' advice leads.

Sure, you wont improve if you dont draw, but you have to work towards a specific objective. Something you want to learn or do better.

>>6183435
>t. soulless

>>6183433
>most here
Here as in this board, here in 4chan, or here as in the world?
Because artists everywhere start seething when you ask them to explain, in detail, the process to actually start drawing. They're also constantly seething about commissioners. I wonder if there's a connection?

>>6183440
I have noticed that even artists that are nice seem very reluctant to give any kind of help with how to get better at drawing. I think it's a combination of them just passively getting good while they did what they enjoyed, and them not feeling like they're qualified to give advice

>>6183435
uuuhhh who am I supposed to believe
I've gotten many comments how people love my new style

>>6183438
but DS is one of my favorite artists, the way that anon goes about their faces and eyes is similar but lacking any nuance

>>6183447
The eye seems out of place

>>6183445
Always prioritize any opinions and information you get from outside of /ic/

>>6183444
I wouldn't mind it as much if not for the fact they feel qualified to hand out advice elsewhere. People who aren't mentally wired to draw who yet want to do it have a very big hump to get over and most artists aren't equipped to help them because, as you said, they passively got good doing something they enjoyed.

>>6183449
That's the thing. Everyone on /ic/ shits on me for "just drawing" (not even true) but I met a professional painter who draws for a living and he told me to "just draw". I feel I have improved way more by listening to his advice in the past 3 days than I ever improved months doing construction and measuring. The latter is such a tedious process, and I can only get a few drawings done in a day, whereas "just drawing" allows me to produce ten times the output.

alright, tinkered with the contrast a bit. which version looks the best?

>>6183444
99.9% of people asking for advice will give up almost immediately
of the remaining 99% of them just need to keep drawing because they're /beg/ and suck at such a basic level there's no advice to give them except to draw more and do extremely basic studies that can be found with an easy google.

The people who they can actually help are their peers, who usually aren't begging them on 4chan for advice.

I'm not darwing anohter baby erver after this one no joke. I'll just move on to some other thing.

>>6183460
>extremely basic studies that can be found with an easy google.
Which are?
And you're speaking from the perspective of a drawer. Not everyone can arrive at the end goal(drawing) the same way.

>>6183465
Its in the sticky, its in every "how to draw" page you get from google, its in the 10000s of youtube videos telling you how to start drawing.
>but that's now how I learn
yes it is, you're just crying because you didn't immediately become pro. drawing takes years upon years to get to even an /in/ level, and people expect to see results in a month.

new thread:

>>6183467
>>6183467
>>6183467

>>6183466
>Its in the sticky,
The one routinely bashed?
>every "how to draw" page you get from google
>the 10000s of youtube videos telling you how to start drawing
Which?
>yes it is
Is it? Again, you speak from the perspective of someone who's got experience in drawing, not other skillsets.
>people expect to see results in a month.
Most people actually are able to see results in around a month of practice. The overall style someone has never really changes from that point on, they're only better at realizing it.

>>6183472
I speak as a computer scientist who started learning to draw a few years ago.

everything you're complaining about its just cope to justify not actually working harder at drawing. just like every other /beg/ that complains that people aren't "helping" them

>>6183482
pyw

>>6183460
Nice projection, this is the last piece I would find for crits and advice

>>6183492
>>6183492
move
>>6183492
>>6183492
>>6183492

>>6183460
Nice projection, this is the last place I would come for crits and advice

>>6183494
There's already a new thread you fucking idiot.

>>6183467
>>6183467
>>6183467

>>6183405
Do other exercises, my man.

>>6183445
Keep the face lose everything else I get most people are soulless hacks who want to get good at art just to draw porn but come on.

>>6183428
you don't grasp that you're not qualified to draw either right now