/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Trying to quantify these things is a trap. Improvement is a lifelong pursuit.

>>6181592
FPBP

>>6181585
depends how high your asian genes and talent levels are

>>6181585
peak was 13 years old, everything after is just more autistic

>>6181585
we had a girl in our first year animation course make "improvements" like this. she was a supposed child prodigy and got accepted into the program at 15 and was 16 when classes started.
we were all envious yet she never did much in life drawing despite her ability to do some pretty amazing realism out of class. our life drawing professor was amazing but he was part-time working on a show at the same time and raising four kids so it was easy to do nothing since all he would do is ask for your newsprint pad and sketchbook(s) once a month and mark your life drawing then.
anyway at the end of the year it turns out she was more or less tracing and when she would draw in front of people she would use paper that was very very lightly marked with a light blue colerase mechanical pencil.
every night she would go home and spend a few hours using a projector meant for displaying sewing patterns and would find a photo or drawing, project it, adjust the aspect ratio so it wouldn't be 100% exact, marked it with the pencil and then would come into class and connect the dots
she clearly still had skill. her colouring and shading was amazing and so was her inking. she just had no actual interest in coming up with her own ideas or sight measuring.
it was really bad because he only got caught at the very end. every year the program held a fair, partially for the parents and partially for studios to snatch up the gifted before they finished. she won 1st place in a contest and got a huge cash payout. one of her friends - still in hs - snapped and sent out a post on our college facebook page with her friend's drawing that won and what she traced it from and a blurry camera photo of the projector.

so now whenever i see someone make that sort of rapid progress i find myself full of doubt.

>>6181621
where did she end up after she was found out?

>>6181585
i hope i reach the level of 13year old at some point

>>6181626
no idea. she didn't get her 1st year certificate and had to return the cash but it was the end of the year so we all stopped hearing about it.
it was kinda sad because she clearly already had a lot of skill. she just went from being a big fish in a little pond to a fucking ocean and didn't like that the people around her that were doing worse at the start were now rapidly reaching her skill level, i suspect.
it really tore up our life drawing prof since he realized he should've investigated more ahead of time. he was very very bitter in particular about artists who put hours of work into a drawing only to upload it and say it was just a "quick 20 minute sketch".

>was ''gifted'' as a child
>my parents never did anything about it
eventually, I stopped drawing and I started again very recently. I will never forgive them for that.

>>6181643
you sound really entitled

also reminds me that kjg said he drew constantly as a child and young adult.

>>6181653
entitled why? parents are supposed to encourage their children to pick up activities as children. Mines never cared about that crap despite me asking them for painting and guitar lessons, and now complain that I never leave my room. It's not like they were super busy or poor anyway.
>also reminds me that kjg said he drew constantly as a child and young adult.
i did drew a lot as a child, even won a few contests but during high school I got pretty depressed and stopped doing anything

>>6181658
Little fucking brat. Quit blaming your parents on you being a complete loser. Also you are not gifted. Almost nobody is gifted. If you were gifted you would have been a professional artist right now and not have given a fuck about anything else except drawing. Time to man up and take responsibility and get a job.

>>6181639
i totaly understand your teacher. What saddens me is that these artists are actually talented, but they become so entitled by their stupid normie friends hyping their potential that they never actually reach it.

>>6181676
if you want to have children care slightly about them, it's not that hard. I already have a job, I just picked up drawing as a hobby. Dunno why you defend so hard people you will never meet, congrats on having great parents but not all parents are born to do the job.

I didn't start drawing until I was 25 years old, and I have only been drawing for 2 years on and off very infrequently and ive been able to make decent progress by drawing every day and problem solving my weaknesses.

This was about of years difference between these two sketches. The first one was drawn while I was at work without reference, but I was still pretty bad back then.

I made huge progress in just (technically) a month's difference. If I didn't have carpal tunnel I would progress a lot more. I think the key to improving is to quit digital and to stick with trad.

>>6181585
>15 years old before she learned to use the camera on her phone
god women are retarded

>>6181683
>Wahh m-muh parents

This is such fucking typical NEET psychology and a mindset that is going to fuck you forever until you stop. Blaming the circumstances of your parents and your environment instead of blaming the consequences of your every day actions. Big fuckin deal your parents don't know how to deal with you, but you don't know how to deal with yourself either so cut them some slack. Like you are the only one with shitty parents? EVERYBODY had shitty parents, its rare to NOT have garbage parents you fuck. You aren't some special snowflake.

>>6181658
your parents were problem doing what they were Actually supposed to do instead of selling you on some moonbeam shit that you can't feed yourself with.

>>6181653
He isn't wrong. Good parenting is a cheat code to life. As important as genetics, if not moreso. He is right to be angry. People who went through bad parenting have to either re-educate themselves, which takes years and requires some self-reflection - they'd be far behind if they have to go down that route. Or they fail to fix themselves and their part of the bloodline is guaranteed to fail. Without introspection he'd also fail as a parent (probably even think his parents were actually good) and he creates even worse fuckups. Probably the one thing that fucks niggers up more than their genetic: the complete absence of good parenting. The economic aspect? I'd be surprised if it even made just 5% of a difference in ones life.

Be grateful for good parents every day. They are worth 4 million bucks, at the very least.

>>6181700
>i specialize in attractive mongolian women

>>6181734
you can quit with your asiatic attitude towards life. if you want to be happy and fulfilled in life, don't treat it as a game, or a race to be won.

it's just a simple fact of life that people have disadvantages in life, some much more severe than others. any grown and functional adult who still blames their parents for their own problems is still living in a regressive stage of emotional maturity.

>>6181710
You mad bro?

>>6181658
>>6181683
what fucking manchild, you stopped drawing because you were a lazy faggot, and now you're blaming your inability to draw on the people keeping a roof over your head and enough room to work comfortably. I hope they toss you onto the fucking street.

>>6181710
>>6181851
stop projecting faggots, i am not a neet and I moved out of my parent's house so I don't have to see them ever again. My parents are pieces of shit for not helping me pursue my passions and I will always hate them for that. I despise people that defend shitty parenting, that's why people are so fucked up nowadays, they are spawned into a world they didn't want to live in and told to ''shut up and stop winning'' . Being a parent is the most selfish thing one can do.

>>6181887
>i am not a neet and I moved out of my parent's house so I don't have to see them ever again.
meanwhile >>6181658
>and NOW complain that I never leave my room. It's not like they were super busy or poor anyway.
were (You) lying then or are lying now you stupid fucking neet faggot.

>>6181899
might be different ppl lol

I get people feeling sliiiightly bitter toward parents because they can mold you to at least have some discipline

>>6181887
>My parents are pieces of shit for not helping me pursue my passions and I will always hate them for that.

you are a toxic person

>>6181910
not him but if his parents were slightly more proactive might've been better

he's being a bit of a cunt but

my distant relatives saw a talent in their kid and pursued cartoon voice acting, she's like 10 and doing cool voice overs for popular shows, all cuz the mom and dad tried to make it happen

>>6181899
They always invite me to go out or go to my cousin's birthday and I tell them I don't want to. Before I moved out I never left my room and I had no friends, and it's not like that changed anyway since i am a freelancer.

>>6181917
i don't doubt that if his parents paid for some lessons, he might have benefited. however that's besides the point because he's blaming them for the entirety of his lack of skills as if he has no agency in how he ended up.

>>6181938
>as if he has no agency in how he ended up.
Children generally have no resources or awareness necessary to develop their talents on their own. Trying to blame a child for not realizing that they could have done X, Y and Z to make their situation better is talking out of hindsight. Yes, it is bad to use blaming your parents as a crutch, but it is also terrible for parents to see their child's potential and just do nothing about it, doubly so when they can and when the child specifically asks them for help.

With that said,
>>6181643
>I started again very recently.
this is a good idea, continue.

>>6181908
that maybe true but you still have a chance at urself. You cant change your past but you still work for the future. Don't be a statistic be an example.

Bout tree fiddy.

>>6181585
enough for it to be noticeable

>>6181643
people with this mindset are self-pitying and pathetic. You have no one to blame but yourself.

>>6181585
accuracy is a good skill to develop, certainly better to have it than not
but its not a very practical skill to really focus on
these aren't even from life so its pretty unclear if they have even practiced sight size in any significant way

this is 10% skill, 90% time

>>6181658
>parents are supposed to encourage their children to pick up activities as children
most working artists have supportive parents so its easy to feel jealous of those guys but a lot of people got shitty parents man.
i was a gifted child who pretty much had to decide everything for myself once I got to middle school so i was never really pushed in the right direction and took the path of least resistance, that fucked me up a whole lot of ways
i resent my parents but as you get older you start to realize that shit does nothing for you and your parents had flaws you can't change but they were still human

>>6181643
you sound like a jackass and i don't feel sorry for you.

>>6181585
Soul peaked at 13 years.

>>6181643
Here's my gift for you. Good luck.

>>6181585
Not really quantifiable, plus this >>6181592
But as a beginner, if you're properly studying, you'll likely see big improvements every drawing or every so many drawings. As you improve, those improvements become more subtle to the point where only you will really know where you're improving.
This is all under the assumption that you'll be studying properly and actually improving. The only way you'll know that is with a mix of mentoring/critique from someone with better eyes than you and being honest with yourself.

>>6181585
This is like my personal nightmare: Getting super good at rendering to the point where you can only copy photos and not be able to actually draw anything yourself. It's really sad how many artists just copy photos.

>>6181585
>mfw even primitive AI is more creative than human photocopiers

>>6181585
I guarantee this kid is Chinese. Children aren't good at anything that requires skill. Most likely chink parents stealing other people's work and saying it's their kids

>>6181585
Why become a human xerox machine when photography already exists?

>>6181658
i know what you mean, probably. ultimately it was on you to decide to not draw or keep drawing, but i empathize with parents who don't do or give a shit. only faggots who havent actually experienced it can talk down to you because they dont understand what its like to have zero supportive figures in your life

>>6181639
It sounds weird that this would go unnoticed in a "life drawing class". How much actual life drawing was being done there? No warning bells rang when her drawings were utter shit if she had to draw something she couldn't prepare for in advance?

>>6181585
Seven

>>6181621
Interesting story. I think she was clinging to her identity of being special and gifted so much that she prioritized it over learning. I wonder if she is even interested in art to begin with. Did you look her up after all of those years how her art is doing? Mind if you would share he IG/website?

>>6181585
Nice drawings, too bad they are soulless beyond belief

>>6181643
I am 30yo, I just found out a couple months ago that I have perfect pitch.
My dad is a musician who has never taught me music (nor given me any other stuff to learn, I was just left to my own devices).

Make no mistake, he sacrificed a lot financially to keep me in a good school, but when it comes to DIRECTLY giving me any incentive, there was never anything.

Also, all these crabs don't understand what being "gifted" is like.
When everything is easy, you breeze through problems that people struggle to overcome, but when a real problem, a difficult one, where you have to grind to overcome, shows up, all the other kids will already have built the discipline to do it from birth because they were dumb, whereas you, as a smarter kid, will just be confused: "this makes no sense, why the fuck should I learn this garbage?".

It's a real danger, you crash way harder because expectations on you for being gifted are way higher, yet you are way less prepared for real life challenges because you don't have the effort/discipline muscle trained.

Parents are not to blame because dealing with gifted children isn't as straight-forward, but yeah, the only solution is responsible parents or a mentor to set the kid on the right path early on.

Once you're old, it'll take years to undo the damage.

>>6183107
i just wanted my dad to take me to art class, it's not that hard. When I entered high school I tried to choose an art-oriented school but at that time it was already too late, our teacher was a massive leftist hippie who made us spend hours drawing mandalas.

>>6181643
>>6183107
>>6183709

I guess I can't relate, because I suck at everything so I have to really dedicate the time and effort to even get remotely decent at it. I wasn't even aware things like art classes even existed when I was younger so I just did my own thing. Also, it's not as if we had a ton of money so it's not as if my parents nor I could really afford them like that. I used to wish I could.

Once I got more of my own income it was much easier for me than to have to rely on somebody else,

>>6181585
Looks like at 14 she got a printer and doesn't need to draw anymore, nice.

>>6183709
my high school's art program was essentially dissolved when i entered

>>6181643
>I will never forgive them for that.
Their mistake, but they unknowingly left you with the opportunity to be a self-made man. Which is actually great parenting, when it's done consciously.

But from your point of view, regardless of whether they were conscious or not, actually making something of yourself by yourself is a pleasant opportunity. Not everybody has the ressources for it.

>>6181585
whys it that all these photo-real artists just draw fucking portraits or stand-alone objects. wheres the fucking scenes

>>6181643
Lmao fucking faggot. It's up to you to get better not them, you were never gonna make the cut because you obviously didn't care enough to actually draw on your own. I can't believe you wrote that shit down with no shame grow the fuck up bitch

>>6181592
FPBP

>>6181679
Pretty much this. I knew a few people in highschool who were pretty decent at copying photographs but none of them ever learned to do anything past that kek

>>6181643
>trannytale

>>6185948
because they have no real fundies and only know how to copy

>>6181643
I come from an art-ish family. My uncle and auntie are artists and I had some talent, but my cousin had even more, so all the praise went to him, but at the same time, they never even knew of my talents. We can all be cynical tough guys here, but praise is really important to children. Sadly, neither of us got into art. The only praise I got was from class, but art class in high school was kind of weird and barely went into actual draftsmanship. So for college, I went into engineering like the sperg I am and my cousin does nothing with art. Looking back, I should not have been so envious of his skills. We could have just drawn together for fun and maybe with some guidance from our uncle/aunt. I let competition demoralize me rather than inspire me. It's a tough pill to swallow, but that's life.

>>6181585
photocopiers won't go anywhere

>>6181653
NTA but being entitled is a good thing.

>>6181676
Why are you such an angry faggot?

Cry harder cum drinker.

>>6181851
Parents are supposed to keep a roof over their offspring they voluntarily created and forced on the earth without any ability for said offspring to consent. If a parent fails to care for their offspring, they are not only a failure but should be sterilized and forced to pay for their offspring's existence.

No one asked to be born faggot.

>>6181887
Based

>>6181899
>>6181910
>waaaaaah people i don't like are actually toxick!!!!!

Projecting faggots who should kill themselves pronto

>>6181585
why are retards on this board so obsessed with muh progress, muh improvement, muh ngmi? grab a pencil and actually try just drawing holy shit

>literally not a single person who can draw well in a 200km radius around me
>no good books or video material or tutors or encouragement to be found anywhere
>spent years drawing and not getting anywhere before finally giving up
>internet and drawing resources became widely available and I gave art another shot
>taught myself the fundamentals within a year and a half stumbling in the dark
>now that I know it, it's so simple that if I could go back in time and teach it to my high school self, it would take me 3 months tops

So much time, wasted

>>6183107
Thanks anon. I've faced this academically
and in art and it really hits home.

I don't blame my parents though, my mother was an artist and she saw my interest and supported me.
She just showered me with praise but it got to a point when even if it was genuine, I got the idea that it's because she's just trying to be kind to her kid. I think this was kind of a problem, and I don't know if anyone else faced it. When you get so much praise that you start to doubt it's genuine, so you shrug it all off. And then you receive 0 actual reassuring feedback because you filter out all the compliments. All the negativity only came from myself, as I thought things weren't good enough and i had a lot of self doubt. What they praised, I thought was actually bad.
Idk where I'm going with this, eventually i fell into a slump and didn't do anything artistic until the recent lockdowns reawakened my interest due to boredom. I don't have the people around me to give constant feedback anymore, I'm completely alone for that matter, and it honestly feels good just doing things for myself. I can finally decide if I did good or not, and it doesn't hurt me to fail because I'm not trying to live up to anyone's expectations.

Infinite fren. Us mortals will have to settle for less.

I'll tell you my experience with rich schools in America. In high school, I had an art teacher who did field trips to other schools. This is why I ended up going to rich schools for out reach to try to encourage other kids to draw and shit. This one school was very rich and it had a special effects makeup class and loads of other odd high costing classes. Rich none the less so we were requested by the art teacher there. We went to meet with the art teacher of that school to be shown what to do. When we got to the class there was art work on the walls everywhere. The art teacher there stated it was for talented kids. Every single piece of artwork on that wall was traced with horrible coloring. All I could think was this is what they get in funding and yet none of these people are using basic resources. They had every art resource you could dream of even tablets you could check out. But yet they still had no talent in a school same size as my highschool of 3k. This made me realize that kids who can even draw at a low int level were rare. Pro level is like needle in a grass field. You could have been invested in but let's be real rich kids don't need to worry about getting good they can just ride off their parents money and be a shitty beg artist for life. Rich kids don't have to try to be good at shit and the few rich kids that care can get pros to mentor then. From my experience most rich kids aren't going to be artists they will probably take over in their family business or company.

>>6181585
15 isn't even a drawing. When that DTIYS spammer was on the board, he used that same picture. I still don't know what the ring on her eye is supposed to be, glue?