/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6175924
>>6175935
You're not supposed to draw that, you're supposed to read it so you can gain an understanding of perspective and foreshortening. Sure, you could minutiously and calmly try to copy whatever is on that page but it's just a technical illustration and you won't gain much from it.

You need to get yourself the Vilppu Drawing Manual or How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way. Personally I couldn't get into the Marvel one. I loved copying Vilppu's drawings though, I personally believe it's the best drawing manual to get started after you gain some line confidence. Try both and see what works for you.

>>6175933
A good curriculum for most beginners is:
>Drawing Basics playlist
[YouTube] How to Hold and Control Your Pencil (embed)
Go through all the videos and do the Eviston exercises seriously at the end of the videos if there are any. This playlist is more to get an understanding of drawing as whole, how to hold a pen, how perspective and foreshortening work, what are values, what are common mistakes etc.

>Drawabox Lessons 0-2
https://drawabox.com/lessons
Do lessons 0 to 2 of Drawabox. Take your time, don't erase, this is where you start drawing for real. Focus on your line making and accuracy.

>The Vilppu Drawing Manual
https://archive.org/details/the-vilppu-drawing-manual-pdoc
Go through the manual and copy Vilppu's drawings. Take your time, measure, don't copy 1 to 1 but inspire yourself and stay close to the spirit.

>Draw every single day
Copy drawings, objects, figures you like, try drawing on your own without reference. You can't draw a line if you've never drawn it before. It's like when you arrive in a new city you can't expect to know every street if you've never been there before, but after a while of exploring the city you will know the streets and what they have in them and where they lead.

TAKE YOUR TIME, drawing takes time, drawing takes repetition, it's a grind. Take it slow, focus on accuracy and penmanship.

Do drawabox shills get paid to post this shit?

>>6175975
>Drawabox

Give me your most honest and brutal feedback, bros

>>6175982
>>6175980
Tell me of a better drawing lesson to get drills down pat? That's why I said to only do lessons 0-2. It's a grind but it's good to get into the feeling of drawing. It's structured, easy to follow and gives you exercises. Most people won't do it though and they'll meander around #nodrawing all day, month, year.

>>6175985
I like it but why did she order Lucas to rape her?

>>6175987
>I like it but why did she order Lucas to rape her?
Thanks, it was a request from the /vp/ Drawthread, and I wanted to draw it lol

>>6175985
Face on the bottom is really ugly

>>6175980
It would only be a shill if you had to pay for drawa box. Brent Eviston shills, on the other hand...

>>6176003
Okay

>>6175972
>I loved copying Vilppu's drawings though
You meant his video course or The Manual?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L303Qy6rivs

Following this guy's "level 1" anatomy practice, I believe it holds it's own but i would like to get some say about the perspectives

>>6176027
don't learn to draw from YouTube ecelebs

>>6176027
the refrence

I'm trying to improve my painting skills, but I'm not sure how to approach it. I'm not sure if my biggest problem is that I'm getting slack on the details or if my process is just sloppy. Maybe I was just making too much shit up as I went along. Could also be weak values.

Any opinions on where I should focus my efforts?

>>6176032
Studying texture would do you well, anon, the nut and leaves could be a lot more convincing.
Some parts are also a bit careless, like the paws, which you can easily fix it up with some refining.
Is this Transformice inspired, by any chance? It reminds me of it.

>>6175987
You realize Drawabox guy is just ripping off Peter Han and Scott Robertson, right? The guy can't even demonstrate his own exercises without relying on shift-clicking in photoshop.

I like to actually see what the instructor is doing with the pencil to get an idea of their drawing process. That's what makes Brent Eviston a good video instructor. As for perspective exercises with basic volumes, the Vandruff lectures are also much better than drawabox, even if they're rough around the edges.

>>6176046
Also the whole "rotating the page" business is questionable advice. I can understand it's purpose in Scott Robertson's book because mechanical design requires precision, but for the average artist, it's better to just get used to drawing lines at different angles on a static page. Just use overhand grip and draw lightly.

>>6176044
>Studying texture would do you well, anon
Hmm, yeah, I have been considering doing some material studies. Thanks.
>Is this Transformice inspired, by any chance?
Nope, just some random artfight mouse.

Tried doing some hand practice, 60 seconds each. I want to draw faster and not get so bogged down in minor details, are timed exercises a good way of practicing at that?

>>6176046
>You realize Drawabox guy is just ripping off Peter Han and Scott Robertson, right?
Yes? But their books and lessons aren't freely available. You don't need to follow the dude's advice or do the 250 box crap. Just do the exercises because they're decent, direct and guided for line quality, to get an eye for perspective and they actually get you to draw. Simple as.

>>6175987
>Tell me of a better drawing lesson to get drills down pat?
nta
krenz perspective course(someone shared the translate version)

>>6176055
>you don't need to do the 250 box crap. Just do the exercises because they're decent
Contradiction much?

>>6176052
Stop chicken scratching.

>>6176057
Okay dude whatever, I was just trying to help.

>>6176058
I'm not fucking chicken scratching.

>>6176058
Yeah, I know that's a problem I have...is it bad that I like the scratchy/messy/sketchy look though? I think I prefer it to cleaner lines.
>>6176061
Anon please, you aren't me.

>>6176063
Crap just remembered that spoilers don't work on boards like this. Sorry about all the posts, here's another sketch I worked on for like 10 minutes the other day so it's not just me being an idiot. I know I should work on trying to make things cleaner.

>>6176032
Wow that's a really nice drawing

thoughts

Hi beg, another day another pic

>>6175980
Well you are on the internet. Everything digital is piratable. On other hand the wacom shills are very real and double down on their lies.
>>6175985
I dont think its fair to critique comic without seeing the whole chapter or issue or volume or whatever you call it. You obviously want to churn out as many pages as possible in reasonable quality. Its imho about the story first and foremost. Nobody reads X comic because the art in it is sick, they read it so they know what happens to naruto next.

I like it. Its passable for its purpose. Also i dont understand the logic behind 3rd panel. She lost, is about to get raped and somebody is saying young love while she has content smile? What?
>>6176032
God dammit you are good. Have you tried looking for book or course on the subject? I bet there are 999 books and courses about painting both digital and trad. You can steal their tech

>>6176032
I really like this anon

How to get smoother lines with artist grip?
I have more stability when my elbow is resting on the table and used as a pivot, but I can't get long strokes that way.

>>6176068
Thanks anon, really appreciate it. Should have mentioned it's referenced but that's probably obvious. And I just noticed I drew her finger too short...ah well not gonna change it now

>>6176063
>>6176066
>>6176074
See here's someone that would profit from doing the early drawabox exercises or looking up Han. Ghosting lines and doing confident marks from the elbow.

>>6176080
You're still symbol drawing, the lines aren't the problem.

>>6176076
Its imho about the story first and foremost. Nobody reads X comic because the art in it is sick, they read it so they know what happens to naruto next.
Yeah that's true for most comics/manga I suppose, "One Punch Man" is the only high-quality manga I know of

>Also i dont understand the logic behind 3rd panel. She lost, is about to get raped and somebody is saying young love while she has content smile? What?
Yeah, the requester wanted her to react with something related to "young love" (so it comes off as funny, I guess), but I couldn't think of anything smart enough. Oh yeah, the blonde (Cynthia) is the one saying "AH... Young love.", maybe that wasn't clear enough, sorry. Then she gets raped, I don't know,I just thought it was funny to draw it

Does anyone know of a good beginner book on rendering? I remember seeing a roadmap pic that had one before Robertson's, but for the life of me I can't find it on my hd

>>6176090
>Its imho about the story first and foremost. Nobody reads X comic because the art in it is sick, they read it so they know what happens to naruto next.
Yeah that's true for most comics/manga I suppose, "One Punch Man" is the only manga with high-quality art I know of, and even then, I'm mostly reading it for the story, not the art. Anyways the comic I posted is just a one.shot anyways.

>Also i dont understand the logic behind 3rd panel. She lost, is about to get raped and somebody is saying young love while she has content smile? What?
Yeah, the requester wanted her to react with something related to "young love" (so it comes off as funny, I guess), but I couldn't think of anything smart enough. Oh yeah, the blonde (Cynthia) is the one saying "AH... Young love.", maybe that wasn't clear enough, sorry. Then she gets raped, I don't know,I just thought it was funny to draw it

>>6176076
>Its imho about the story first and foremost. Nobody reads X comic because the art in it is sick, they read it so they know what happens to naruto next.
Yeah that's true for most comics/manga I suppose, "One Punch Man" is the only manga with high-quality art I know of, and even then, I'm mostly reading it for the story, not the art. Anyways the comic I posted is just a one.shot anyways.

>Also i dont understand the logic behind 3rd panel. She lost, is about to get raped and somebody is saying young love while she has content smile? What?
Yeah, the requester wanted her to react with something related to "young love" (so it comes off as funny, I guess), but I couldn't think of anything smart enough. Oh yeah, the blonde (Cynthia) is the one saying "AH... Young love.", maybe that wasn't clear enough, sorry. Then she gets raped, I don't know,I just thought it was funny to draw it

>>6175978
>>Drawabox

Why do people here hate drawbox?

t. /Beg/, haven't watched any of his vids yet

>>6176090
>>6176097
>>6176099
retard

>>6176088
>You're still symbol drawing, the lines aren't the problem.
Body or face?

>>6176101
see >>6176046 >>6176050

>>6176080
Get a drawing board

>>6176104
Whatever man, fuck you

>>6175968
Which is better to learn first as a beginner: still life referencing (I intend to mostly uses to draw everyday stuff like fruits or items I have lying around like vid rel) or figure drawing? To make my question more specific, should I get good at still life referencing first in order to be good at figure drawing or does it not really matter?

>>6176121
(This isn't finished by the way. I might try and finish this tomorrow and maybe add some color)

>>6176113
Hmm. Can't find anyone on Youtube using one. Is it worth the investment?

>>6176104
>someone makes mistake
>deletes mistake
>someone points out mistake so mistake stays visible forever
Nigga fuck you.

>>6176093
What gets usually recommended is Loomis - Creative Illustration, James Gurney - Color and Light, Mateu-Mestre Framed Ink, Betty Edwards - Color. There are probably others. Not sure about beginner friendly since it's a more advanced topic. Robertson's is probably the best in that regard.

>>6176126
It's basically an easel. The alternative is to stand over your drawing.

(repost since i didnt find this thread)
New to 4chan and was skeptical to use it due to the rep but ill try it out

I cant figure out how to fix the hair portion and its been bumming me out maybe could point out other errors that i didnt recognize i dont want to scrap this like my other works w

>>6176139
Prebeg, but at least you're drawing.
Forehead is abominably long if you cannot tell. You don't seem to have an understanding of forms or anatomy or literally anything.

tl;dr needs some loomies

>>6176121
boxes, cylinders, spheres, cones, cubes

>>6176139
Henlo, welcome.

Look at her forehead. It looks as if the hair is just sitting on top of a bald head because of this line since it follows the shape of the face exactly.
Her hair also goes a bit too far in the air. Basically pull down the whole hair shape and have it go over her face or not follow the shape of the face directly.

40 minute painting

>>6176139
>>6176150
Here I quickly drew over it to demonstrate what I mean. Also be careful where you place the shadows, be consistent with the light source.

>>6176050
>for the average artist, it's better to just get used to drawing lines at different angles on a static page
lmao turn that shit however you want, do whatever is absolutely easiest and physically comfortable imo.
https://youtu.be/HbN6XhZfQVA

how do I depict extreme almost animalistic level of horniness in both male and female faces

>>6176080
here's another example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsfOCL3Ae9Y

>>6176050
this is so dumb and arbitrary. if u are working on paper and it can be flipped than why the fuck not lmao this does literally nothing to hinder performance or learning this is why i cant stand these thread dude and they are a terrible trap for beginners cuz its just a bunch of beginners telling giving other beginners shitty opinions

>>6176210
if you have to ask that, you don't have the skills to draw it

>>6176139
Based on where you've placed the features, the head seems to be the culprit. There's a lack of construction. Seems as though you're guessing where the top of the head is under the hair.

>>6176215
Ok, i accept that but then how do I basic form of that then?

>>6176213
autists gravitate towards drawabox type repetitive grinding, and are vocal on /ic/ about everyone else adopting their mindset.

>>6176215
Hello, Im waiting

what are some good books slash classes on facial expressions?

>>6176226
I'm busy studying, do your own homework.

>>6176233
so why not show your work? Why be an ass about it?

>>6176163
Oh wow i see thank you so much ill get back and redo it once i get home

>>6176232
Bridgeman’s book had a useful portion on them

>>6176244
which one exactly?

>>6176197
>youtube ads
Retard.

>>6176213
Why would anyone care what an obviously illiterate moron like yourself has to say?

>>6176219
I see, ill redo this then

idk, looking for any feedback on this

>>6176264
Fabric could use more wrinkles and creases. Shoulder blades could maybe jut out a little less. The way the line of the arms meets the knee looks a little uncanny. Left foot needs work. Otherwise, it looks pretty good.

>>6176264
same feedback i gave you on the power level thread

study your coloring and rendering with some special attention on the color choices and adding hue variation cuz right now it looks flat and digital

also work on the values, if you turn the image into black/white it turns into mostly the same tones of grey with little variation

even if you ignore the coloring/rendering part of my advice, at least just improving the values would make it 10x better

A quick sketch.

>>6176251
cuz im the one telling him to do whats natural ur the faggot telling him to stop doing something for no reason at all

>>6175968
i drew

>>6176312
really nice, i like it

>>6176322
Except you're very clearly an illiterate moron.

One of the most common pieces of advice pros give is to get a drawing board and make sure the paper is perpendicular to your line of sight. This helps significantly with drawing from reference, because if the paper is lying flat on the table, the view of your reference will be at a completely different angle to the paper, which can lead to distortion. On top of this, it's not intuitive to rotate paper on a drawing board, especially with several sheets layered on top of each other for the soft texture.

Rotating the page is a mechanical drawing technique. Nobody should need it for drawing basic shapes like ellipses and cubes, which is what drawabox man insists on.

>>6176332
Can you post the pencil version before inking?

This is day 4 of
>I've never drawn before but want to git gud at drawing anime girls

Days 1&2 I was just kind of copying drawings and that was okay but I felt a little bit like it was cheating to copy things line-for-line, so on day 3 I did a couple of quick-ish poses some from memory and then I started sketching vinyl anime figures because I figured that would be a bit better since they look close enough to 2d and I can't just copy them exactly.
The things I note other than just my line work being bad:
>Feet too small and kinda weird angles
>Hand is creepy
>that big think hair strand that looks like a tentacle
>the hair strands in general don't have quite enough structure in the big flowy part
>Face is a little derpy, and should be looking more off to the left
I haven't really worked on any one specific thing at all yet, can pretty much improve by practicing anything.

I like this >>6176332

I know I'm /beg/ as hell and I messed up a bunch of this. But does this "shot" I guess for lack of a word, or maybe composition look balanced and good? Or is it too crowded? Even if I don't yet have the skills to make good art with it.

>>6176382
This has sovl, your shapes are pretty consistent and fun. Don't overthink composition and just feel it out. So long as the image is clear and your lines don't intersect in a confusing way then it's probably fine even with mistakes. Perfection is overrated and all that.

How do you prevent people from finding out that you cheat?

>>6176422
Suck their dick

Cat mage.

>>6176366
huh...sorry but idunno what u mean
thats the pencil version, i havent inked it
>>6176377
>I like this
hey thanks a bunch fren, and your stuff is pretty cute, i like it

Rip into me and go as hard as you can. Haven't posted here or did a serious drawing in a long time. Due to life stuff I might have more time to grind art.

>>6176413
Thanks anon

>>6176144
>Prebeg
Are you that mind broken by crabbing or are you genuinely dumb? Prebegs are at the
>draw a line
stage

can someone make me a head i'm lost

>>6176456
this was a serious drawing?

>>6176555

>>6176566
Anon, wat have u done.....now i must lewd her....

>>6175968

>>6176575
Erotic!

Fuck

>>6176580
Pretty nice
Whats this "noise filter" it has, does it have a name or something?

>>6176588
Thanks.
I got the noise filter from the CSP assets.

>>6176455
>thats the pencil version, i havent inked it
Why is it so dark. Charcoal or what pencil type.

>>6176568
shit

>Draw from memory
Gets told not to symbol draw

>Traces and copies
Gets called out for doing that

What am I even supposed to do? Just do studies all the time before starting a new big artwork?
>inb4 pyw
stfu

>>6176600
Unironically yes

>>6176601
Ok.

>>6176600
draw nature. /Just do studies a/ ignore what is not useful

You do whatever you want anon bro :), they're not gonna sue you for doing so, although there will be setbacks in your progress, but you already know that.

>>6176605
reply to >>6176600

>>6176600
Pyw

Looks like I'm becoming blind irl. That's sad. My art career is almost over.

>>6176600
You can copy and trace if you want. People don't care if you're not popular.

>>6176596
I use a mechanical pencil with 2b lead

>>6176613
Man my poor eyesight is progressing too, is it so bad? Tried getting glasses? Haven't changed my glasses since 2015 lol

>>6176603
>Just do studies a
>a
What did Anon mean by this?

>>6176613
>>6176616
May God bless you.

I still need to add St. Magdalene and then start actually rendering
>>6176448
Cute, though you should really work on that head, I barely know what I'm looking at or why it was done that way
>>6176382
I'd add more distance from the soldiers and the tower and lower it and have the shots curve as they get closer to the viewer

>>6176605
>>6176607
>>6176614
Ok thanks guys :) Let's all give our best!! :D

>>6176129
Thanks anon

>>6176641

she is sitting like she is squatting to have a big fat dump or as if she has a penis. Women do not sit like that, mannerisms/acting is important in art. Otherwise keep going anon.

>>6175985
Last two panels make no sense.
Is she aware she is about to get raped but is okay with it? Why she seems upset in last panel then?
Also as other anon said, the face in last panel is ugly.

>>6176645
>she is sitting like she is squatting to have a big fat dump or as if she has a penis.
Yes, this is intended. I'mma place a bucket of a tray between her legs, she's supposed to be preparing food or something, haven't decided yet.

repainting an oldie

I don't like doing this I can't do it I am insane

>>6176032
Your colors are a bit desaturated and the value range is too small. As a result everything looks greyish and dead.
>>6176052
>>6176066
Use proper construction and stop chicken scratching. You can come back to the scratchy artstyle after you've actually learned how to draw.
>>6176076
You lack basic knowledge in values. Stop doing complex life studies like this and practice very basic objects under simple lighting. Also read actual theory instead of figuring shit out by yourself.
>>6176121
You're pre-beg. The best course of action is to read the sticky.
>>6176139
Your proportions are all over the place.
Try imagining how this girl's head would look like if she didn't have hair. Similarly, try imagining how her shoulders would look like if they weren't covered by the jacket.
>>6176161
Good practice. Try being more precise with your brush strokes.
>>6176264
I gave you critique in the last thread.
>>6176312
Her left eye is misplaced.
>>6176332
Commit to your lines and stop scribbling.
>>6176377
Don't copy anime. /beg/s don't know what makes anime drawings look good, so they end up studying shitty pixiv anime girls with warped anatomy. Complete waste of time.
>>6176382
You have a good eye for composition. Start posting in /alt/ or the animation general if you want useful advice.
>>6176456
pre-/beg/. Read the sticky.
>>6176555
The placement of the shoulder and the neck are wrong. Which makes it harder for you to correctly place the head. Learn upper body anatomy.
>>6176580
Her right eye is wonky and the head is a bit stretched vertically.
>>6176600
You can use a reference without tracing it.
>>6176631
Bad proportions - legs are too long. Do more precise measurments.
>>6176641
Her head is too small and doesn't follow perspective.
>>6176667
Cool. Learn about local values.
Also stop posting here and go to /alt/ or /draw/.

>>6176690

>>6176691
Fuck you

>>6176693
ngmi

>>6176691
wow, loads of bad criticism in one post

>>6176694
ngmi

>>6176691
PYW

>>6176691
>Also stop posting here and go to /alt/ or /draw/.
I haven't posted in a while, there isn't even a draw thread anymore

Working on a thing is the body aligned properly? If anything else looks off please tell me! I have tunnel vision

>>6176691
good crit, rare from a mass-replier

>>6176121
This was so painful to watch.

>>6176456
Hey Chris Chan has returned

>>6176723
pyw

>>6176653
>Is she aware she is about to get raped but is okay with it? Why she seems upset in last panel then?
Yes, she was aware that was about to get raped, but as soon as she did get raped, reality kicks in and she wasn't okay with it anymore and is upset
>Also as other anon said, the face in last panel is ugly.
Yeah why is that? Are there too many tears or is it the nose, or what else makes it so ugly?

>>6176691
>You can use a reference without tracing it.
True, and it's called copying, right?

>>6176692
any tips? this is from fun with a pencil. I can do the exaggerated faces fine but when it gets more precise I'm completely lost. I keep re doing this drawing but it's like my brain is melting, I don't know what to do

>>6176456
Anon, it seems you learned nothing yet again, learn about the body and how to make 2d, 3d

>>6176725
the second to last panel where she seems okay with it doesnt really show it, the guy in the corner shows his reaction but her reaction doesnt go well with the situation even if she is okay with it

i think even just a small speech bubble with her saying something about it would help with clarity

same thing with the last panel, a thought bubble or some words where she expresses what she feels would help

basically the last 2 panels look very unrelated and confusing

>>6176727
Your end result doesn't have to look anything like the reference. You can just use some aspects of it, combine with other references, etc.
It's only copying if you literally copy all of it 1:1 and yes tracing is the most efficient way of doing that but it's not even the only way to do that.

>>6176264
ass doesn't look soft enough. I wanna feel like an uncontrollable lust has taken over me whenever i see that ass.

>>6176377
try /asg/ if you haven't already. Also strike a balance with learning fundies and drawing what you want. You'll get burned out that way if you only do the grindy shit.

gl post hentai here when you git gud.

I draw spy gril

>>6176816
this is really good, begone! you have earned the right to post on /alt/

>>6176816
How do I learn to draw like you? What did you do to get there?

what is the main problem here?:

https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q

How is it possible that despite drawing digitally more often, I still produce better work when drawing traditionally? Should I just give up on digital altogether?

>>6176056
>(someone shared the translate version)
where?

>>6176840
my right arm is stronger than my left arm, should i just amputate my left arm?

anon, i think you know already the answer to your question, stop worrying about useless shit an dkeep drawing eve if its with your own shit on a wall

>>6176821
thanke. I wil do that
>>6176825
lots of masterrcopies for the most part... I think.

guys i think i’m finally understanding gesture. is there a lot of this in hampton’s book?

>>6175968
Is this good advice for /Beg/iners?

https://twitter.com/emo_machine/status/1550045643548176386?t=liINdPRwZ92NYYRMXq7cKg&s=19

>>6176921
>look at their art
>it's trash
no

>>6176922
If they posted here, what critiques would you give them?

>>6176750
Ok I'll keep that in mind thank you :) I thought it was pretty self-evident with the blonde's "glimmering star", indicating that she likes it, and in the last panel her tears and shocked expression indicate that she doesn't like it, but maybe that's just because I'm used to consuming manga/anime lol

>>6176753
Makes sense, thank you!

what

>>6176921
No, it doesn't work. Or I wouldn't be beg at this point.

>>6176976
babies don't deserve hydrocephalus

MY WRIST HURTS SO MUCH ITS OVER FOR ME /BEG/BROS GO ON WITHOUT ME

>>6177054
take ya time, and rest it a bit and use the toher hand

>>6176692
audibly laughed

>>6176976
>>6177077
I like the one coming out of a can

>>6177077
nice "arm" lmfao

Just don't understand why so many retards here insist on learning their fundamentals via digital. It's simply the wrong way to learn.

>>6177108
it was actually meant to be a penis. I'm done with this im bad and it's depreasing.

>>6177112
I guess people are too lazy to scan/photograph their drawings to show them off here

>>6177112
pyw

>>6177113
I will never draw a baby ever again. My brain is not wired prorpetrly. I challenge anyone else to draw this baby to show me how it's odne.

>>6177112
Let them be, just enjoy the show

>>6177159
tf is this supposed to be?

>>6177181
jellyfish wearing a dress. use your eyes.

>>6177159
cool jellyfish alien blob thingy

>>6177113
Inexplicably funny

starting to think boxes and perspective are a better idea than loomis

>>6177112
>plan on using only digital
>practice using the medium I will be using
Enlighten me on why this is an objectively poor choice

>>6177113
>those shoulders
possible natty?

>>6177245
Because you're going to develop bad habits and become dependent on them, idiot.
I'm sure this has been explained to you several times before, but nothing gets through that thick head of yours.

I think my faces are improving.

>>6177257

first one is straight copy of the reference on the right, second one is the "unique pose" with same reference

idk thoughts? anything to improve?

>>6177254
Nice projection, I've seen some people recommend starting trad, but no one as militant as you. You can pick up just as many bad habits doing trad

>>6177201
>>6177203
stygiomedusa gigantea
the most kino sea jelly

>>6177320
He looks like a different actor whose name I forget.

>>6177289
>You can pick up just as many bad habits doing trad
You are so stupid it's funny.

>>6177270
Like the line confidence.

A doodle

Or maybe I could keep drawinduring the weekend is that allowed?

do (You) have a study plan?

what the fuck the esdeath anon has surpassed me

>>6177398
Switch to trad anon

>>6177072
how long do ihave to wait

>>6177054
>>6177436
I am >>6177428
In my case, I was diagnosed with phlebitis (basically carpal tunnel). I rested my hand for six months and it didn't heal, despite my doctor saying it would completely recover in less than a month. So I just changed to trad and use an artist grip whenever drawing in order to not stress my hand.
I am unable to use mechanical pencils (too heavy) or digital (can't use artist grip) so I'm limited to trad for awhile.

>>6177398
What’s the latest from him? I thought he’d gotten terminal carpal tunnel and had to quit drawing?

>>6177455
>>6177428
>>6177441

>>6177372
>No valid arguments other than "YOU VILL DO IT THIS VAY"

pyw or shut up, Crab

Was gonna try copying these perspective examples from Fun With a Pencil, but the section's kicking my ass already. Maybe I'm more tired than I thought from work, but there's a lot I don't really get:

What exactly is being measured with the measuring points?

Why does Loomis bother measuring the sides of the house with X's when they're all different sizes? Does the center of the X need to be at the same height above the horizon line or something?

In single point perspective, is the "optional rectangle of first space" just a box at the vanishing point for measuring or something? If so, can the box be however big I want it, or is there an arbitrary size it needs to be?

TL; DR question: Is there a book or other resource that'll ease me into perspective better or help me understand what Loomis is describing? Because it does seem like he expects us to have a decent grasp of perspective already.

>>6176600
>Posting and browsing threads way more than time spent drawing

This is not the way, anon. Spend 90% of your art related time drawing and following allowing with a video course or book, and then you can spend the remaining 10% of your time here. If not, you are not going to make it.

>>6177487
Loomis isn't good for learning perspective
he's not even using measuring points correctly

>>6177487
Pretty sure you draw the X to figure out where the center is. Which is helpful to place things in the middle of the object. Like that rooftop.
I find MPs basically useless unless you're trying to design something as accurately as possible.

>>6177514
Gotcha, thanks man :)

Doing Erik Olson's perspective course right now. Can someone explain why we use 60 degrees and 45 degrees respectively? Like why exactly those angles? I assume it's because our eyes are not directly on the side of our head, but rather facing forward. This causes us not see the picture plane in a full 180 degrees, but rather half of it, which is 90 degrees. This then causes the vanishing point to be 90 degrees as the objects vanishes to the point. But where does the 60 (half of 30) come from?

>>6177464
You were presented with an argument, idiot. It's not my problem you're too stupid to comprehend it.

>>6177543
There was no argument lol.

>>6177487
read perspective drawing handbook by joseph d'amelio, it's mandatory reading before you continue

>try doing drawing request
>it turns out bad
>still way better than the one I did earlier this year
wagmi bros

>>6177548
the argument is that you rely on bad habits like undo, quickly abandoning drawings, using shortcuts and more. your counterargument was "w-well, if you start with trad, you learn bad habits too!"

honestly you're just an idiot. ngmi.

>>6177557
>undo
A tool just like an eraser
>quickly abandoning drawings
Completely dependent on mindset and not at all more likely if you use digital
>using shortcuts
Tools.
You are massively retarded.

>>6177570
>A tool just like an eraser
Which also impedes learning badly if you're a beg, you utter idiot.

You seem to be conflating this with the "trad vs digital" when in reality, it's about what's better for beginners. Alas, you're a complete and utter moron and you'll never learn.

>>6177596
retard

>>6177554
wagmi bros

>>6177596
pyw

How exactly do I shade in CSP? use airbrushes?

bros is suck at drawing cylinders.

which pose/composition is strongest

drew some tits today. pic unrelated.

>>6177605
picrel

and also, for the love of Jesus Velasquez Christ dont use a fucking airbrush to shade/color/render or wtv

just use normal brushes dry or mixing your preference just as long as they arent airbrushes or too soft

>>6177623
resized, holy fuck i didnt realize it was that big

>>6177619
1

>>6177623
>drew some tits today.
>tits

anon...

i think you need an anatomy book for more than just drawing purposes

>>6177633
>pic unrelated

i see my epic trolling is too advanced for this board

>>6177601
>no argument
No problem, idiot. You'll always be a beg and a slave to ctrl-z.

>>6177627
thank you

>>6177603
>>6177637

>>6177619
they all seem kinda weak to me imo, here is my attempt.

I use AI and trace from it and no one will ever know.

>>6177596
>>6177637

>>6177650
Unless you start making money rendering pinups that someone else made gets boring. True enjoyment comes from seeing something in your mind then drawing it. Not only are you not training your technical ability you are also not training your imagination.

playing video games is more fun then that, so unless you are making fat stacks whats the point?

>>6177663
I have aphantasia, I can't imagine shit anyway. That's why I'm here as a /beg/. At least with tracing I can learn how lines work, their weight, how to render from example, etc.
I have fun with tracing, dictating what is enjoyable for me is not really beneficial.

What teacher has the best "box man" construction explanation without tending to be more "organic" like a Proko?

>>6177619
What are you trying to convey?

>>6177663
who cares if someone traces from ai if no one will find out

>>6177676
Hey it's you. What do you think

>>6177684
I think you have a long road ahead of you, and a lot of thinking to do.

>>6177690
You told me to convey more information so I added it in. I wanted feedback.
Also this >>6177562

how would you critique this?

>>6177703
wrong thread idiot

>>6177703
prebeg symboldrawing reddit atheism

>>6177706
Your mom's an idiot

>>6177672
you do realize people including pros draw from reference and dont just come up with everything from imagination all the time

you are just lazy, the pure fact you say you trace AI makes me think you are either trying to bait an ai discussion or you are actually retarded

but im curious, pyw, wanna see what this ai tracing looks like

>>6177713
What? You said I wasn't training my imagination, so I said I don't have an imagination because I don't see images. I think you're the retarded one here.
I'm not trying to bait an AI discussion, I was just making a post. Chill out dude.
No, I have a particular style and I would get found out quickly. No thanks.

>>6177693
I wanted you to think about what you were expressing with a character's pose. What is being expressed in >>6177562? I also thought you should redraw >>6177684 to get accustomed to the idea of doing multiple revisiions of a picture. These are concepts you should get comfortable with sooner than later.

>>6177732
Yeah I changed the legs to widen so it conveys more confidence.
Also yeah I was redrawing it before you suggested it. What do you think?
I realized why redrawing from scratch doesn't work. Redrawing doesn't work because I don't get as much excitement from redrawing the same picture instead of a brand new one. It's a mental thing. Revising on the other hand is okay. Would like your feedback.

>>6177740
IS THIS THE POWER OF TRAD?

>>6177740
Honestly not bad.

Hello begs, later chapters are wild ride indeed.

>>6177650
>>6177554
You forgot to PYW anon
>>6177634
This is BEG, here we gather people who cant even draw a box. If you post shit people will naturally assume you are just another beg and try to help you. If you want to shitpost locate AI thread :-)
>>6177539
I dont know that course but i assume its the same stuff as with all related to learning: its easier to teach on CONCRETE example instead in variables. Aka if you show example of cube tilted by 60 degrees you easily showcase the sides are half their usual length instead of pulling out tangent functions and saying Y = cos(x)
Also https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-maximum-human-field-of-vision
>>6177441
Jezus that sucks. Any advice about how to not end up like you? What did you do wrong to get carpal?
>>6177281
Looks very promising. It isnt finished, is it?
>>6177257
Try to fight the wobbly lines. Lighter lines for sketch then outline for max art gains. Good job otherwise
>>6176580
Soul
>>6177703
This is what happens when you "just draw" and never question the results. But god dammit the foliage looks really good all things considered.

>>6177521
>>6177528
>>6177552
Thanks for the info. Will definitely be slowing down my grinding to keep from learning perspective the wrong way.

>>6177741
For me, trad is a blessing. It's ten times faster and more efficient and I don't have to alt-tab to look at references. It also opens your mind for new ideas and poses. I say trad is superior to digital for sure when you're just practicing.

>>6177745
Thanks

>>6177745
>Jezus that sucks. Any advice about how to not end up like you? What did you do wrong to get carpal?
Well, in my case what happened was I was using a Surface Pro pen which broke after I used a grip specified by a paid digital drawing course. I kept using the pen with a hard grip then eventually got carpal tunnel. Something like pic related (not my finger).
The mystery though is that my left hand has similar symptoms, so I fear it could have been the vaccine that caused it but I'm not sure.

>>6177745
>people will naturally assume you are just another beg

never said i wasnt lel

>>6177742
Thanks

>>6177745
>Soul
Thanks.

First time doing this.

i reference from the first page of google images

holy fuck does anyone have the old google doc sticky? These new ones are so terrible, who the fuck changed them? Im talking about the one that had all the fundies listed, with books for each and examples i think it was the one pinned on the top of /ic/.

>>6177781
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

I base my art style on famous artists.

>>6177784
Thank you.

“Cassie, those shorts don’t make your ass look too big. It’s making them look too small.”

>>6177740
>I don't get as much excitement from redrawing the same picture instead of a brand new one. It's a mental thing.
This is what I'm saying. You have to get over that mental roadblock. I don't know how much feedback is going to help until you overcome that hurdle.

>>6177789
I just realized the face looks retarded when flipped. Was this clear to you from the beginning? Tried to fix it but not good enough.

>>6176027
>>6176031

>no gesture
>no form on his left arm
>no wrapping lines anywhere to indicate direction
>shitty torso and pelvis blocks
>not drawing the other side of your contruction shapes as if they were transparent

at least your proportions seem alright, watch Vilpuu's figure drawing course

Colored

Tried upside-down copying using the overhand grip taught by Eviston. Don't know if I should continue The Art and Science of Drawing or go to Keys to Drawing. Started today. I hope we all make it.

Bargue plates are pretty based desu

How do you grind correctly

>>6175968
>check this book out
>per-requisites:
>14" × 17" drawing pad, 80 lb., for dry media and light washes (Strathmore 400 series)
>○6" × 8" or 8" × 10" sketch pad, 80 lb. (Strathmore 400 series)
>6" x 8" or 9"x 12" mixed media pad, 90 lb. (Strathmore 400 series)
>18" x 24" or 12" x 18" newsprint pad, rough surface (not smooth)
>19" × 25" light gray pastel paper
>Scrap paper (copier/computer/white craft)
>DRAWING MEDIA
>2H, 2B, 6H, and 6B drawing pencils
>Black waterproof drawing pens (such as Uni-ball Vision, micro and fine nibs)
>Black and white Conté crayons, 2B
>Vine charcoal (package of 12), soft or extra soft (these look like twigs, not chalk)
>Black and white charcoal pencils, 2B
>WET MEDIA
>Small (.27-ounce) tubes black and white watercolor paint (any brand)
>#6 soft, round brush with a point (a less expensive brand is fine); see this page for more information on brushes)
>ERASERS AND BLENDERS
>Kneaded eraser
>Pink Pearl eraser
>2B wooden school pencils with erasers (such as Ticonderoga)
>Q-tips
>MISCELLANEOUS
>1 small roll 22-gauge galvanized steel wire (available in hardware stores)
>Fixative spray (“workable”) for charcoal
>Paper towels and facial tissues
>Water jar
>Disposable paper painter’s palette (or plastic-coated paper plates or polyvinyl freezer paper, available in supermarkets)
>Artist’s masking tape
>OPTIONAL
>Inexpensive portfolio
>23" x 27 " drawing board or foam core
>Clip-on metal light shade, with a maximum 300-watt bulb (available in hardware stores)
>Glassine paper

Why does the Absolute and Utter Beginner need all this shit to learn how to draw?

>>6177886
Gatekeeping.

>>6177835
What now

>>6177886
Doesn't Drawing on the right side of the brain also insist on having a large set of art supplies before starting?

Why are female authors always so demanding for the reader to invest in so much shit?

>>6177886
I literally ignore all that and just use a tablet with pencil tool on csp

>>6177896
>tablet
>beginner
ngmi

>>6177896
NGMI

>>6177257
>>6177261
Based. GMI. Don't stop drawing.

>>6177387
You need to draw everyday to make it. drawing once a week won't help you progress.

>>6177905
not him but what do you mean by "draw everyday" cause certainly there's wrong ways to draw

>>6177896
GMI

>>6177916
>replying to yourself as a coping mechanism
Embarrassing idiot.
The eternal beg.

>>6177919
>samefagging as a coping mechanism
Embarrassing idiot.
The eternal beg.

>>6177908
Practice fundies everyday, don't just mindlessly draw without any clear goal.

To my true begs in this thread: if you want to get good at art, you need to spend more time drawing than any of the following:
>playing video games
>watching youtube
>jacking off
>going out all the time

I don't mean that you can't do these things. But the people who are good at art didn't fuck around. Art is not just theory, it's practice. There's a lot of nuance you can discuss and get into the weeds about, but none of it fucking matters if you aren't actively making stuff on a regular basis (read: everyday). Your time is your life. If it's not being put towards art, your energy is going somewhere else.

>>6177938
How do you get rid of those addicting things? Do you set a schedule?

>ghost line a billion times
>when making the stroke, friction causes the pencil tip to slide

Fuck this shit.

>>6177942
Not that anon but to get rid of distractions while watching YouTube you can use the Unhook browser extension that lets you block elements such as comments and recommentations; this way you can still watch educational or useful videos without having these other things bothering you

What’s the next step below stagnated permaprebeg? I think I’m almost there.

>>6177967

>>6177977

>kind of start get the hang of gesture
>immediately forget it

I am a brain dead fucking idiot retard

posting after some time away
as usual, doodles and 10min studies, i'm still learning, critique plox

>>6177986
c-clussy

>>6178010
huuoooonk

How many months am I going to be using just pencil and a rubber until I feel more confident to use multiple colours + add backgrounds.
My goals are drawing landscapes and being good at gesture & anatomy.

>

What's a good ink pen to buy?

How are these

Seems like drawing for 10+ hours a day has given me upper back pain. Should I quit drawing until it gets better or correct my posture and draw through it?

When exercises call for self portraits, is it okay if I just draw somebody else from a single photo reference? That way to check progression I can always just use the same person but a different photo and I don't have to look at myself.
I'm going to do this whether you say it's okay or not, I just want to know if it's notably bad practice.

What the FUCK is a gesture

>>6178136
I like how Huston describes it, but it's a bit artsy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg9Csfr_XOY
Proko is pretty good for learning it
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHGuMuprDarMz_Y9Fbw_d2ws
LoveLifeDrawing breaks it down very nicely for beginners
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkHosWORUv7upSk7NWEqK3fe5gkek9Zl
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXkHosWORUv6bxfPGz31WESqw_87adQ5r

>>6177596
>eraser
>Which also impedes learning badly if you're a beg, you utter idiot.
Wait, it does? Should i not use it even if my hand slips or i notice the mistake i've made immediately? But that'll make the drawing even more shit
>>6177768
Do you have a bigger version? Unironically want it for my wallpaper

Fang and spear. From primal.

>>6178149
that post was in relation to ctrl-z.

You shouldn't use the eraser too frequently either. learn how to draw very light lines and you won't need it most of the time.

>>6178149
Big enough for you? I used waifu2x.

>>6178169
Cheers, very nice anon
>>6178167
Oh okay then. Doing Fun with Pencil and i had to get alot of lines to make out certian shapes when practicing heads, often just drawing over the older ones then erasing everything once i drew it all over with a fineliner

>>6178033
Doesn't seem like a great piece of reference. Even so, there are darker darks and lighter lights there.

>>6178174
>Doing Fun with Pencil
the beg trap

>>6178177
Im really confused
Some people say X bad and some say X good, same for Y, Z and so on. If i don't chose anything, i'll just end up asking billion questions "is this book good?" or "should i start with this book?" instead of actually doing something
>inb4 it's shit
Im very well aware of this, im pre-/beg/, but i think ive improved a bit over these few days?

>>6178184
You're doing fine, but you really should learn the fundamentals of linear perspective before attempting any Loomis book. The guy even says this himself.

Consider picking up Perspective Drawing Handbook by Joseph D'Amelio at some point.

What is used to do this type of shading?

>>6178177
Thank you
Is Perspective Drawing Handbook the book that would help me out with linear perspective? I tried going for Perspective Made Easy but i dropped it since it required me to try to draw places from my point of view which i didn't really have access to

Okay. I pulled out the copy of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain that I stole from my sister 12 years ago and never actually did any work from.
Here are the first 3 exercises/starting-points.
I didn't do a self-portrait because I hate myself, see >>6178132 So I drew somebody from a picture instead points (to me of course) if you can guess who. The person from memory is comically bad, it's supposed to be Lena but yikes, it looks like if one of the three musketeers had FAS.
And then obviously my hand.
I spent too much time of the hour-and-a-bit on the portrait so to be fair I rushed the portrait from memory but it wasn't going to be much better in any case. I'm going to try not to just excessively study the Lena photo to try and cheat at doing better next time.

>>6178094
I think they're cute.

>>6178185
Thank you
Is Perspective Drawing Handbook the book that would help me out with linear perspective? I tried going for Perspective Made Easy but i dropped it since it required me to try to draw places from my point of view which i didn't really have access to

>>6178200
Perspective Made Easy is a meme.
D'Amelio's book is significantly better.

>>6178211
Thank you again, i'll give it a go

Be cautious of Discord. Chane your password. Make it more complicated. I tried to login to my Discord after 6 months and someone had changed the password of both my Discord and email (same pw). Weird because I had only one contact who was from /ic/.
Luckily it was a burner account and I lost nothing important.

What does /ic/ think of this?

>>6178238
i dont think

How can I learn to draw like Yoshitake Amano or Ayami Kojima

>>6178263
uniqlo

>>6177596
>impedes learning
I can never take claims like this seriously.

>>6176382
holy fucking soul

|O|

MY WRIST HURTS SO MUCH

>>6178397
use your shoulder, you cuck

>>6178405
just becaues i use my wrist doesn't mean I'm a cuck !!!

i'm building up a portfolio for concept art and i'm filling a character design section with fighting game characters concepts (going for those "Extra" character designs with lots of ornaments and exaggeration). This is my second one, some kind of plant wizard (the venus is placeholder, i know it sucks ass), and i feel like it looks "Unprofessional" but can't wrap my head around the reason. Hasty linework? Not enough detail? Poor detail distribution? Bad shading? Dull colors? I feel like the design itself works but something's bothering me

>>6178499
What about this character design makes you think it works?

>>6178499
i dont think the design works
maybe try starting with t pose and design the character before throwing him in a pose

>>6178499
too many things going on, you can't deduce anything about who your character is or what his personality might be

compare it to Ryu and Ken
you can tell from a glance that:
> both train some form of Karate
> both are physically fit
> Ryu is stoic while Ken is cocky
> they're most likely not evil

>>6178499
can you explain what you were going for?

>>6178533
>>6178528
>>6178576
>>6178578
I was going for a design with lots of useless ornaments and no particular regard for function, since they're pretty fun to draw (the other 2 parts of the portfolio will have more realistic, functional designs)
Character idea is a plant wizard that charges up by hitting opponents with his vines and uses sun bursts or plant attacks or something like that with his magic arm, but i can see i may have gotten to carried away with it being Kool.
Probably the plant/garden-themed parts contrast with the "Captain" look of the jacket and beard?
Okok i realized it sucks dick if i want to go pro. I'll change it around to be more consistent. I'll probably keep the palette

AHHHHHHHH MY WRIST

>>6178613
Shoulder

>>6178608
Right now he looks like a cross of Kaiba, Jotaro and Poison Ivy
Maybe give him overalls, magical aura or a wizard hat/robe

>>6178608
At least you're able to talk through the concept behind your work. It shows that you've put some thought into it. With that said, I don't think the design and concept match up. The character is a "plant wizard," but there's too little of either in the design. When I think of wizards, I think of robes, long white beards, a staff or a magic wand, maybe a spell book, which the character has none. On the plant side, you've got a vine wrapped around one arm, the venus flytrap thing, and the green arm. You could remove all of these things, and it would not significantly alter the design from a visual standpoint. The plant motif should be more "baked in" to the design, really sell the hybrid idea of a half-plant/half-man. Just food for thought.

>>6178608
>useless ornaments because they’re fun to draw
You don’t really understand the term design

>>6178671
fun to draw and to look at, not every design needs function to work (picrel)
>>6178652
>>6178658
yeah not really a wizard, i meant something more like a "Magic user". The problems are probably the cape, the gilet and the pants - i will try looking at salopettes, gloves or more fitting jackets

>>6178175
This is the reference they had for wolf skulls at /fag/, it's probably better for drawing than value
I wanted to keep the values limited but I could've done a lighter light for sure

>>6175968

Give me your most brutally honest critique bros

>tfw apparently can't draw a decent anime face in 3/4 without using a lot of construction and reference
fucking end me, I'm regressing

>>6178397
Fun fact: If you keep using your hand when it hurts, the strain can eventually cause permanent damage.

>>6178816
pyw
let us help you

>>6178658
>>6178652
i'm adjusting it
fuck it's hard as fuck to retouch stuff like this

>>6178828
Not much can be learned from those. I'm not sure which guide to follow.

>>6178823
how am i supposed to not use my hand wtf

>>6178864
Hmm okay, I'm a beginner myself too, but I recommend you to do some facial anatomy studies of real humans first, and then try to trace anime faces. Maybe that'll help. All the best.

>>6178870
You'll figure it out after your hand is no longer usable. :^)

>>6178763
I am assuming that you are using a real ref over an anime head. Everything looks a bit stiff. post the ref.

>>6178879
where is this image from

>>6178886

>>6178900
Yeah as I thought, your drawing is stiff compare to the ref. Your perspective is off compare to the ref, the butt is closer to the viewer in the ref so you would need to draw it a little bigger in your drawing. Your clothes is also stiff as well, the skirt should be longer and the top doesn't work like that(no suction to the breast but more like a tent)

>>6178860
Lol

so recently. i have been playing around with different layer effects. and i have been taking notes after practicing with a lesson I picked up.

what do you guys think?

>>6178935
fuck wrong file.

>>6178918
Oh yeah, you're right, thank you!!

>>6178879
okay bro im gonna takr a breaj then

>>6178918
>>6178941
Like this?

I WANT TO DRAW BUT MY WRIST HURTS

how do i restmaxx so i can start drawing again

>>6178499
Take a look at plantman from MegaMan battle network or soul eater designs, they're all whacky, but they work. Try to reincorporate and reinforce themes instead of going all over. Anatomy and perspective isn't working out too well.

Is studying Bridgman worth it for beginners?

new
>>6179347
>>6179347
>>6179347

>>6179347
>>6179347
>>6179347

>two threads

>>6179438
I didn't see the first new thread because the retard who made it didn't cross-link it here.

>>6177876
Iteration.

>>6178899
I don't know. I found it on /ic/.