/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

having a wide range of values is a good thing, isnt it?

>>6165804
If it were the only subject in the painting it could probably have a wider range but supposed to be a dark shape. I didn't post the whole painting because it's very unfinished I wanted to get help before I move on.

>>6165780
Use different value ranges for light and shadows.

>>6165804
depends what you're going for

>>6165780
you can warm up first with basic shapes.

>>6165780
Sexbot anon is that you again?

>>6165854
Whoa you're good man...

>>6165861
just finish the painting for now and apply the last time's criticisms other anons gave you.

>>6165874
I am doing what they suggested in this new painting. I sketched a composition before painting, grouped values, kept them distinct. Just getting frustrated I guess. I'll come back when it's finished hopefully I can work it out. Really trying just frustrating.

Bump.

>>6165780
You're usingmidtones when you're supposed to use brighter values, and refusing to use darker values in your shadows. Make a clear distinction and make sure yo don't muddle your brighter valuer by making unnecessary strokes.

>>6165780
just work it on some more

i still think my values in the liche and the dog are bad. i dont know how to fix them.

without the contrast adjustment.
which is preferable?

>>6165780
>they arent far away from one another.
and thats the problem, your img is pure midtone, only no real contrast of lights and darks

>>6166850
Ttake this one and just paint in manually more contrast in values

you already got a good base of midtone now just add in some ambient occlusion darkest darks

dude bottom left needs more lights, the dog is a little of both ambient occlusion and highlights
the dude in middle needs the ambient occlusion/darker darks only same with the dude in the right

>>6166887
Maybe your right. I'll go darker in the shadows and see how that works out. I was avoiding going too dark because I didn't want to steal focus from the focal point but as it is it just doesn't look right so I'll go darker on the shadows

>>6166902
I am noticing people are saying my values are too compressed. I definitely do need to go darker in some areas I'm thinking. Thank you

>>6166900
I am noticing people are saying my values are too compressed. I definitely do need to go darker in some areas I'm thinking. Thank you

>>6167024
Omg you really did great with it and you fixed the values. Can you tell me what your thought process was behind these changes I would be super grateful, I already am grateful for the paintover. Wow you made my day thank you, of you have any information on why you made these changes I would love to hear it thank you so much it looks great man thanks

>>6167024
tell me your blog I've seen your stuff around on the oc threads

>>6167042
Anon made the brights brighter, the shadows darker, and added a smidgen of color to the monsters. I think it would've looked best if he didn't brighten the monsters so much, but then again I'm the one typing not painting.

>>6167024
I saw an opportunity and I took it

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>>6166850
wtf is this composition? Legit thought some shitposter photoshopped your skull guy into the foreground.
Looks terrible, do it again.

>>6165780
Brother I color picked the brightest and darkest parts of your picture.
Here you go, this isn't magic or rocket science, the value range you are using is very small, you are not even using HALF of the total value range that is available to you.

The greater the range of values you can effectively use the better you can display the shape and form and the better your picture will look.

>>6167800
And here I just barely added a bit of darker darks and lighter greys and it already looks sharper.

>>6167800
I think he intentionally constrained the values in that area to avoid conflicting with the focal point. He decided to flat out choose dark grays with little contrast, kind of like suppressing it, sadly it didn't work well.
Also this >>6167779
This is the /ic/ tier harsh criticism that can actually be useful. I was doubtful about the composition as well, thought the values can save it.

Just keep at it OP, post in the general threads next time.

>>6167815
>I think he intentionally constrained the values in that area to avoid conflicting with the focal point. He decided to flat out choose dark grays with little contrast, kind of like suppressing it, sadly it didn't work well.
I see I see. If that is the goal then OP needs to distribute the values he used more evenly along the value scale and balance it. Having just a handful dark values will just make things blurred.

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>>6167779
yeah the composition is really bad i see that now that ive put so much time into it. i watched a really good video from the comic book guy david finch that helped me think about composition in a better more broad idea and since that video ive realized how bad of a composition it is...but ill finish it. the next ones composition will be better i think. thank you

>>6167779
the skull guy is pretty jarring honestly. i have to brainstorm on what to replace it with. im open to ideas if anybody has any. ive been staring at this painting for so many hours its hard to get any fresh ideas on it. thanks

fixed composition, with the help of other anons

>>6168285
fucking kek
it's shit like this that has me coming back to this board day after day

>>6168285
lol

>>6168137
the wolf and middle giant are kind of in each others space, maybe think about moving them around as well

You should consider thumbnails and value maps before going hard into rendering a piece. There’s no real eyepath for this composition.

>>6165884
When you group your values, you need to have a seperation zone of values you don't use at all in between them.

>>6168436
Kind of like how you group a bunch of cocks in your mouth

honestly, if you were in my position, would you fix this painting or would you start another. the more i look, the more i see wrong. the pose, the composition, the foreground monster.

if you were painting this what would you do, continue or start a new painting? regardless, i have a learned a lot and want to thank everybody for helping me.

>>6169048
If it’s for a client, fix it. If it’s just personal work, move on. If I had the luxury of time with the client I would move on as well and come back to it. Coming back to a piece you’ll usually come back stronger. It’s why most pros have multiple projects concurrently. Kind of like how you group a bunch of cocks in your mouth.

>>6169054
Thanks for the honesty. I think your right. I feel like fixing it would probably take just as long as doing at least 80 percent of another painting. I learned a lot, I think this painting had served a good purpose.

>>6169062
One important thing to learn is when you’re hitting diminishing returns. Starting something new you’ll have new problems to tackle and a chance to learn a bunch. Kind of like how you group a bunch of cocks in your mouth.

>>6165780
Lean into it. People think their weakness is their biggest mistake or glaring mistake. You lean into it and make your weakness your strength. Make it hyper cartoony. Push yourself to the max. Overreach. Over extend. Push the boundaries. Listen to the gods and the muses. You can make it.

>>6169048
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>>6165780
>real artists shitposting on 4chin
very based.

>>6169048

Completely square paintings like this tend to look like shit as well. Its like the painting itself is nice, the elements are there, but the composition is weird, too compact and just random. Why the guy screaming at the front? why the square canvas?

>>6169236
The composition is too grouped together. Kind of like how you group a bunch of cocks in your mouth.