/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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>>6163999
It's been 5 minutes

>>6163999
Nice gets

First attempt at seriously doodling with a 1px brush.

I'm about to go on a trip to the country with little to no internet. I'd like a drawing book to take with me; what's the best drawing book for a beginner? Assume zero fundamentals. Preferably something less boring then just "drawing cubes all day" but I'll take anything other then "fun with a pencil" because I already have that one.

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>>6163992
my art got used lol
I made this while drunk, if I was sober I probably wouldn't have used a filter on it.

Hello beg, you are lucky i just finished when its new thread so no mass reply this time xD

>>6164012
Keys to drawing or Drawing on the right side of brain is recommended by both /ic guides

What can I do to improve this? Are the eyes real weird?

>>6164064
shift the right eye over to the left slightly, it's too far.

>>6164064
Remember eyes sit inside the skull a bit.

Tried drawing my irl shoes to get a better sense of shapes from different angles, and it doesn't seem to have helped. Does anyone have any tutorials or general advice they've found helpful when drawing shoes? Not sure why it's so hard for me when Fun With a Pencil only felt it was worth a single page.

who makes the best coomer art tutorials on youtube?

>>6164079
never try to learn off art ecelebs

>>6164081
ok well can I watch it for fun?

Ref sheet babyyy

>>6164078
Just improve your observational skills. You're allowed to draw the same pair of shoes more than once.

>>6164079
samdoesarts but less in the tits and ass department and more sameface sexy woman department

Dwarf woman

Man staring

Heroic figure touching down

comfort zone bad

>>6164076
>>6164072

Thanks for the tips. How should I change to convey that the eyes sit inside the skull though.

>>6164204
Values or draw the contour of shadows.

fuck this angle sheeeet

what skill level is this?
this is recent official stuff from watamote
it looks really off to me, thinking maybe I should try and go for someone elses style

First loomis mannequin from imagination, this shit is too hard. Is imagination drawing a meme?

Mostly just torso practice. The top part is me trying to make sense of videos.

>>6164291
JUST SEEN A BIG OL' CANVAS

powell
montetsu

>>6164285
Go through Hampton after that and you'll draw most of it from imagination. After a year or two of grinding of course.
it's just smarter to use a reference tho

>>6164303
Is this a hit list?

Trying some fun stuff

Some funny copy from random video.

Taking things slow.

Progress update. Fixed some face issues, will finish the painting tomorrow

What shade of color should I pick if I want to change my lineart colors?

redraw

>>6164486
Is the cat male or female?

>>6164500
Yes

what point perspective is real life?

>>6164503
Ok I'll send it to Interpol and let them decide

>>6164528
Usually all of them at different times

ahhhh leg muscles are so hard from certain angles
I beg you please help me

>>6164550
Youre actually doing pretty good. Even inspired me to go draw more chun li
And unfortunally i cant give u any advice, except study more legs and always use references

>>6164550
ok
+1

>>6164528
1-point: when not viewing at an angle and the object has no rotation (0/90 degrees)
2-point: when not viewing at an angle and the object has rotation
3-point: when viewing at an angle (looking upwards or downwards)
4/5-point: when you want to incorporate the entire view instead of just a ~60 degree cone
1/2 is just 3-point with VPs being infinitely far away.

Is there an equation for shifting the vanishing points when rotating an object? My best guess is using tangent in some way (ex. at 90 degrees, VP1 is directly in front of the object and VP2 is infinitely far away, at 45 degrees both VPs are equally far left and right of the object).

>>6164550
better than your last 3/4 standing poses

so draw threads aren't a thing anymore huh
>>6163992
trying out diff style

>>6164683
You are correct on the tangent thing, their relative distances from a give middle point would be tan. If you want I'll try to do the math taking the camera FoV/distance into consideration.

I'm trying to practice drawing faces and heads, is it more beneficial to draw basic structure and forms of many different references, or draw a few but each to the best of my ability?

>>6164807
why not both? Do one or two with your best and draw many with the rest of your time.

did I mess up not getting a tilt pen
how do I do side of pencil shading in CSP without tilt

Practicing painting environments again.

>>6164282
I think that looks pretty good, There's some areas i think are pretty weird (like the eyes), but i think they came from the style you were referencing, so i agree that you might be better off studying someone else's style.

>>6164849
>how do I do side of pencil shading in CSP without tilt
by making the size of the brush bigger? use your fucking brain

>>6164282
Do not ever "learn" from anime or any mass media for that matter.

>>6164718
Very nice skill but a bit bland

>>6164858
that's way too dark

>>6164856
I mean both of the images daki + cutout in my post are official art by nico tanigawa who draws watamote, what do you think her skill level is?

>>6164880
Oh. In that case she seems pretty good, but her skills when it comes to drawing faces could use some refinement.

how do you examine the alpha value under the cursor in CSP
can you examine HSV without actually color picking

Arms practice. I feel like Huston's explanation was a bit lackluster but it will do for now

Someday I'll stop fucking up proportions so much...

>>6163899
Hold R to rotate in CSP and PS, not sure about Krita etc.

>>6164325
Very cute, I like it, but her left tit is sunken into her rib cage

>>6164528
2 point, one directly in front of the pov and one directly behind, and things like lines on cubes are purely human perception; only curves between those two points are actually visually relevant. You are never, ever going to draw like that, so don't even try. The whole point of point perspectives (no pun intended) is to make a "close enough" shorthand that's easier to work with/conceptualise for different real-life scenarios.

This is about as far as I can ever seem to take a painting, I can never get the colors + values quite right.

Does anyone have a video tutorial or some guides to color backgrounds? Like how to use the light source or what kind of colors to pick idk

Head and Hands, or Huston’s course? what’s better for a /beg/?

Could have pushed it further but lost steam again. The shoe looks off and there's some perspective issues I think. Overall it's not very clean/tight. Happy to hear any additional criticisms

>>6164972
That looks really badass, though. Without a reference to compare it too nothing about the lighting stands out as bad or incorrect, it's just a very cool landscape. With noisy subjects without consistent morphology like mountains, the fine details only matter if they're highly iconic (eg Everest or the Grand Tetons), because the shadows define the form rather than being subject to it. All that matters is that you get in the kinds of shapes you want, eg in this case a lot of sharp-but-rough narrow vertical slabs that interlock to form the impression of towering rock faces, and dappled low-saturation areas of varying opacity with soft edges to evoke clouds. As for colours, you have warm direct light and cold indirect light, which is about what you'd expect on a slightly overcast day with direct sunlight hitting the sunward edifice of the mountains.

>>6164777
That would be interesting to know. Is there a book/course on 3D graphics you'd recommend?

I found an article on how to construct a cube in perspective, which was something I was wondering how to do. https://architecturerevived.com/how-to-draw-a-perfect-cube-in-perspective/

I feel like I'm veering off drawing and just enjoy learning ruler/compass constructions. I'm never going to get to figures at this rate.

>>6165006
if figures are your priority I would abandon perspective beyond simple forms and say being able to place a chair correctly (really just drawing vanishing points for a box) and focus more on actually drawing stuff (possibly simpler stuff you find than figure till you feel comfortable with it)
but if you want to go full autism:
https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech10.html

do I need a special pen for the velocity brush setting in CSP?
it doesn't seem to do anything no matter what % I choose
I think it's supposed to make the pen thinner when it's moving fast

>>6164282
those eyes look off

hmmm

shape practice

>>6164972
i dont know what you mean the colors and values look spot on. at this point all u need to do is zoom in and tighten up whatever u want the focal point to be

When should I start drawing from imagination

>>6165042
never

My friend asked me to draw this, do you like it?

>>6165029
The face in general seems pretty weird. I assume it was intentionally drawn that way but it clashes pretty hard with the relatively detailed body in my opinion. The eyes especially are very strange

Been practicing gesture today. I think there's a lot wrong with them but the biggest is that I feel like my gestures aren't conveying as much motion or weight as they should

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>>6165029
The eyes seem out of character. What are you going for? What sprung up this idea?

>>6165029
I'd suggest light cross-hatching for the under eyes instead of the super bold lines that make it look like her sockets are turning into a dartboard.

>>6165058
They dont look like gestures desu. You are just drawing the contour of the subject instead of the action

>>6164972
>>6164994
>>6165036
Thanks. Here's the ref which might help clarify, I wasn't looking at it the whole time so that's why some of the shapes/proportions aren't correct.

But shape design is the other thing I cant get the hang of, I don't know how detailed to get in the shadow areas or how to get it into a highly rendered/intentional look. This is about the most I can ever get.

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>>6165090
Who did you study to learn to draw like that?

>>6165099
me

>>6165029
She looks super tired with those eyebags. >>6164972
Looks pretty good to me

Trying to paint more and not just draw stuff. Feedback welcome

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>>6165103
I'll try to gradually deemphasize this

Is copying another artists drawings a bad way to learn to draw? Been doing that the last couple of months and had a lot of fun, but I never thought of asking this lol

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>>6165150
something like this better?

>>6165142
it is a great way to learn overall but don't forget to practice your fundamentals as well.

>>6165090
If you just want to match the ref, apart from looking at the dark lines/spots in the shaded area for a rougher texture, try looking at the thumbnail for how to alter the colours/values. Your shadows appear to be indirectly lit by a blue sky, but in the photo it's a combination of a clouded sky and reflected light from similarly-coloured mountains, making overall slightly warm shadows (on a warm-coloured surface).

Incidentally, I actually got a job offer there a couple weeks ago. Don't want to work in Utah in August though so I'm looking at jobs farther north.

>>6164913
Ah, definitely got lost in the weeds with the liquify tool kek, thanks anon.

>>6165006
Sorry for the delay. Yeah if you want a book I guess Scott Robertson's How To Draw is your go to, it covers a lot (I will say my gripe with it is that it doesn't have enough mathematical proof, it's a bit light in that regard. It's more of a pragmatic read about perspective and applying it to enveyorments and such). If you want a video course i heard Marshall and Olson are pretty nice. (but I haven't done either myself, as of now). Personally I'm still looking for a more mathematical resource myself, but in the meantime there are a lot of tools to help you figure it out in Blender.
Anyways, what I was going to say about vanishing points:
In picrel, to get the 2 vanishing points of the 2 sets of lines we simply draw a line from the camera paralel to them, and intersect it with the picture plane. Thus if the two sets of lines form a 90 degree angle, so would these two lines to the vanishing points. All that is left is to construct our cube based on said points. Things change when we into consideration that the camera has variable focal length, thus changing the angle of the lines depending on the focal length, resulting in distorted perspective. Sadly this is a more complicated topic and my optics knowledge is rusty as fuck, perhaps some in depth photography resources would aid in this.

>>6165201
Ye, the only thing you don't need to deal with is aperture. If you click on the camera you can go down to the camera settings on the side window and enable dof, change focal lengths, etc. In the live view it's in the top right corner of the window. Good luck, 3d is really fun anon, hope this small step inspires you to do more with it. I'd recommend trying to just setup a simple room, a great exercise in learning spacing and camera fundies.

Stop putting filters on your pics to mask your begness, it's better to just show it raw so your technique can be critiqued better

>>6165210
>If you click on the camera you can go down to the camera settings on the side window and enable dof, change focal lengths
Yes I know, I use those a lot.
I'm trying my best, since I don't really care about figures, only props/enveyorments/machinery, I'm trying my best to get as in depth and mathematical with these fundies as I can.

>>6165029
it looks very good in some ways, and weird in others (like the lines under her eyes)

overall i think you're onto something anon, maybe copy artists you like when it comes to how they stylize faces

>>6165214
Ah, already familiar with the software, sorry for being presumptuous. I found that perspective comes more naturally as you get used to seeing in different focal lengths, so you'll definitely get a lot out of it! Best of luck anon.

>gym mindset
>fully aware that there will always be someone else stronger than me and genuinely don't care about it
>even if my 1RM falls by 40-50lbs I still feel joy and pride in the self improvement as I climb my way back up and learn new ways to improve my lifts
>artist mindset
>constant frustration at not being able to grasp concepts no matter how hard I study
>don't care about other artists being better than me, moreso resentful that a lot of them just have a higher aptitude for this stuff and progress a lot more quickly than I do
>also extremely angry at myself for wasting so much time not trying harder to learn and taking super long breaks in between learning instead
>feel extremely stupid as well for not progressing at the rate I want to and it takes an immense effort to sit down and force myself to practice
>feels like I'll never be at the skill level I want to be at in order to achieve my long term goals which further hinders my desire to keep grinding
How the fuck do I align my gym mindset with my creative mindset? Why the fuck can I not just enjoy drawing for the sake of it?

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>>6165267
Thank you very much for the support, friend. Hoping to get there in terms of internalizing perspective. Also posting my work for courtesy's sake, so you know who you're talking to.

>>6163992
bros I have a problem each time I come back at the drawing after a while her ribcage seems too large but this feeling disappears in seconds, making me unable to point what is wrong given this is unref
tell me where you would have set the ribcage, does torso look right to you ?
general feedback also appreciated

>>6165269
I honestly don't know because I've always had your gym mindset with art. My mindset with most other skills is to find the most skilled person within my circles and set a deadline to get better than them. I don't tell them but we're in constant competition and I never lose. But I've been doing art since I was a kid, before I got like that.

>>6165283
don't know i cant draw.

>>6165285
but you can tell how you feel anon

>>6165287
the boobs are a little small

>>6165288
do you mean too high ?

>>6165280
Wow, that's great! Looks like you already have a fair understanding (except maybe the left leg? haha). I'll attach a model/scene I made so you have some ref as well. Let's keep that grind up anon!

>>6165283
my take
ribs too small and too far apart from hip

>>6165295
right hand also also bothering me

I CAN'T DRAW

>>6165303
We know

>>6165303
shut it poser

How can I improve in painting scenery? I feel like something is wrong with my colors but I can't tell what, I'm also struggling with adding detail.

>>6165295
>>6165301
thank you for the redline anon, I usually place the pussy 3 heads down, is it too low ?

>>6165351
Dunno. I dont like using heads for measurement.
Regardless, her head is huge for the body so you prob should use less heads. The hips were small too and far from the ribcage

>>6165366
>I dont like using heads
what part do you use then ?

Just bought a drawing tablet and using it in GIMP ... not amazing but I like how it turned out

>>6165294
>except maybe the left leg? haha
Indeed I fucked that one up. I got lost in the detail. But it's ok, I guess I'm still learning. Thanks for the ref, it was nice, even if I heavily simplified it.

>>6165344
is there a ref

>>6165386
No, I drew this from imagination.

>>6165389
i'm not qualified to help you then, good luck

>>6153128
Sorry for the late reply, but here ya go. Trying to combine them both so she's at eye level. Also took the advice regarding nipple placement.

>>6165379
Oh, I just included it so you know where I stand as an artist (just trying to show I'm not talking out of my ass kek), but nice breakdown, always good to get that practice in with crazy poses. And yea, getting lost in the details/tunneling is hard to deal with, something we all learn to balance I think.

>>6164282
Permabeg

think this one turned out cute.

>>6164282
Permabased

>>6165344
I think you're at the point where you'll want to zoom in to work on the small details in the foreground. The trees in the back look passable from thumbnail, but as soon as you look closer, they sort of breakdown, so maybe some more shape and rhythm to the leaves could alleviate that. As for color, maybe just too saturated/bright? I've included an edit in case it might closer to what you're looking for anon.

>>6165295
i think you've increased the lordosis quite a bit which may not have been the anon's intention.
>>6165283
are you basing this on faeries as depicted in victorian or later times? they tended to have elongated torsoes anyways.

>>6165423
Looks like dogshit now, thanks retard

Feet

>>6165283
Well, we're talking about an imaginary creature. One possible reason why you may think the ribcage is too large is that the hips are too small. It makes the torso appear to be longer than it is. Give the figure bigger hips and see how that works.

>>6165423
Looks amazing, thanks! Adding detail seems to be really hard for me for some reason. It feels daunting. Do you have any tips on how to speed this process up?

any yokai watch fans? :3

I'm painting over a big sheet of car sketches.

>>6165464
Just like most things, I'd start with big to small. For example, the wood, it has small bits broken off, dents, grooves, general wear and tear right? So from there, you can take cues from the shape you already have then work those details in. Here's a ref I found, I thought of Spice and Wolf for some reason when looking at your pic and it seems like all the rustic elements are there to help get you started. Take note of the trees and wooden posts, you're pretty much doing the same lighting up your fence, just on a smaller scale!

https://youtu.be/pmdc2zQ9jvM
I'm also not the biggest enviro guy, but I think this can help elucidate shortcuts, mainly custom brushes for shrubbery and grasses and whatnot so you don't have to do it manually.

But most importantly, one stroke at a time anon heh, you can do it!

>>6165431
I'm sorry you think so, anon.

I did a polished turd, it didn't look as stiff and awkward to me from just the lines. I think more gesture and dynamic poses and then adding more weight to the hand and things are what I need to work on now

>>6165404
Yeah fair. Thanks tho, good luck to you too fren.

Booba

>>6164078
More shoes. Will probably stop here with the shoes; I was having a pretty off day yesterday, and it's not worth losing momentum over just shoes.

>>6165542
Also,

Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 39

Back to full figures using weirder shapes; boxes, pairs, cylinders, etc. Didn't turn out too great, but practice is practice.

Damn BEG has slowed down, is it because the record heat waves?

>>6165494
Dammit that looks good
>>6165377
>fellow GIMP beg
Idk anon, have you tried krita yet?
>>6165269
Why would you be frustrated? Just draw the frustration away. Also dont take "long breaks". Breaks are not drawing = not making it. Draw and PYW.
>>6165142
No its the best way how to learn: by finding out how people with skill do it!
>>6164972
Godlike

>>6165344
>>6164972 This anon, I did a very quick and dirty repaint to hopefully set you on the right track. The values and the overall composition felt too flat on yours, the values are all in the same range and the canvas is perfectly bisected by the horizon, everything is more or less on the same plane so I brought the camera down and put in some paths to draw the eye towards the center. The values/colors still need some work on my repaint so I might return to finish it up. But I hope it helps.

>>6165436
child sole and toe erotic

>>6165489
My favourite digimonlike is monster hunter stories because I can ride around on monke.

>flip drawing
>looks better
>don't know why
>now the normal drawing looks off
O-okay...

Need to work on shading, hands, and faces

>>6165603
>Back to work
What's this? Is this a timer thing you use to ensure you work enough? I've got a bunch of physical timers but keep forgetting to reset them between sessions, a digital piece of software might be good

Why does it feel so soulless goddamnit why?

Honest opinions on pic? Reading "Keys to Drawing" chapter 1.
Here's the image it's based on:
https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/happy-african-guy-sitting-on-chair-looking-away-picture-id176417874

>>6165603
you fucking bias bastard you piss me off for real here

Anyone else have vision problems? I feel like it's a struggle to put together whole forms, compare stuff like parallel lines and proportion. Like kind of jittery vision. Maybe it's really bad eye muscle fatigue or something.

But it's so depressing. I don't think I can do it. Even fucking cubes.

>>6165603
this guy seriously pisses me off

now im real fucking mad

>>6165142
Yes, master studies are key to rapid improvement.

smell like bitch in here all y'all smell like bitch to me

anyway imma draw some more senran kagura

anyone else wants to grind but doesn't know where to start? people say to ''focus on the bigger mistakes'' but I suck at everything and there is so much to learn

alice in canes

>>6165603
take this you son of a bitch mass replier
big tittied uehara rin u fucking make me mad

>>6165760
Fuck off you filthy nigger. I hope your coon ass gets lynched.

>>6165767
i ain't the goblinanon why do him dirty like that

>>6165603
I haven't tried Krita, should I? What do people normally use (that is hopefully free)?

When does one stop being so self-conscious about art?
I like drawing, but sharing it causes me pain.

>>6165900

self-consciousness is awareness of other's judgements. you can't take that away, it's literally what makes you better. you ask a kid to show you their art and it's bad because they aren't self-conscious yet.

>>6165909
They're bad because they haven't learned how to draw, not because they aren't self conscious

>>6165760
I will literally never understand why people shit on people for "mass replying". It's a fucking dumb thing to whine about.

>>6165911
sure, but they might also be bad because they don't understand the expectations of good versus bad art yet. they aren't self aware enough to see the differences yet

>>6165725

hi guys, trying to learn how to actually paint. did the exercise in the guide in OP and was really really happy with the results so I tried to do a face. I am really happy with it, I know its probably not that great but it actually looks like a face and I actually painted it all on one layer with just the airbrush and a water color brush.
the reference is a screenshot of a youtube ad that I just turned the saturation all the way down.
anyone have any tips on where to go from here? just keep doing this kind of painting exercise? I dont really know how I can make it look cleaner (I tried to not zoom in at all)
>>6165830
I use krita and I like it, I have found that any youtube tutorial you watch from people using photoshop, you can do the same stuff in krita or at least I havent ran into anything it cant do yet

>>6165752
Pick one.

how do i draw furry porn

I trace abstract art

Year progress on trying to do a portrait from imagination. I didn't really do faces last year i just was super perspective pilled and i also didnt know how to do value. Im happy with my progress but i should do more courses i just spent most of this year doodling and doing misc drawings and studies.

>>6165909
When you stop being mentally ill and/or stop taking shit seriously.

Just make the art you want to make and study whatever fundamentals and subjects are relevant to that. That's all, if you do those two things then you are winning and it doesn't matter what people say no matter what the validation obsessed female brained faggots here will tell you. And ironically art that you make out of genuine interest and passion will be approved of 1000x more than some permaints wannabe concept artist half baked mech doodles that nobody on this entire planet gives a single shit about.

Learn to shrug at people when they kiss your ass or shit on you. Either way it doesn't matter. I learn nothing when someone on /ic/ tells me that my elbows are too pointy. I learn nothing when someone says "sexy lines". It gets me nowhere either way.

>>6165900
When you stop being mentally ill and/or stop taking shit seriously.

Just make the art you want to make and study whatever fundamentals and subjects are relevant to that. That's all, if you do those two things then you are winning and it doesn't matter what people say no matter what the validation obsessed female brained faggots here will tell you. And ironically art that you make out of genuine interest and passion will be approved of 1000x more than some permaints wannabe concept artist half baked mech doodles that nobody on this entire planet gives a single shit about.

Learn to shrug at people when they kiss your ass or shit on you. Either way it doesn't matter. I learn nothing when someone on /ic/ tells me that my elbows are too pointy. I learn nothing when someone says "sexy lines". It gets me nowhere either way.

Too thick?
How bad anatomy is and how can i fix it?

>>6166000
also reference
idk what the fuck is happened here

I feel like an absolute schizo for doing this, but my art friend said it's a way he learned how to make forms. Basically, it's just simply making a "thing" machine out of boxes, spheres, cylinders and distorted versions of each. Each part needs to be overlapping or be connected to something else. Line quality aside and shitty perspective, do you think this is at least a way to understand forms better?

>>6166011
Not bad, try to draw some sci-fi stuff

how do i start

>>6165424
I base off my imagination, I have always dreamt a lot about fearies but I wish they were at least somewhat anatomically correct
>>6165449
thanks anon, I will try either to place the pussy at 2.5 heads or to make the hips larger

>>6166017
Step 1: Get out of here
Step 2: Never go back
Step 3: ???
Step 4: PROFIT!!!

crit?>>6166014

Sloooooooooooooooow.
>>6166040
Darken darks.
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>>6166000
You are not drawing what you see. You drawing in an entirely different angle and quite a different posture.

>>6166000
>>6166001
It's not that she's too thick as long as that was your intention. But if not and you were going for accuracy then yes. Before diving too deep into anatomy I would recommend trying measuring techniques like sight sizing or a grid method, you probably don't need to stick with it too long but it'll help you build observation and accuracy skills that you're currently lacking on

>>6166017
buy 80 dollar wacom tablet
download krita
download senran kagura cards
pin as reference

I think i'm retarded

>>6166085
I got a samsung tablet and clip studio but I dont actually know how to do anything other than copy shit

I’m done with this piece. My eyes are getting better, here is my process if anyone is interested https://files.catbox.moe/6o2jiKW

>beg thread
>everyone is miles ahead of you
I think I'll never draw again

>>6166104
Beg and int. Dont give up, one day you too will be miles ahead of them

>>6166109
After ~5 years im still below anyone else
>>6166093

Ok I've been trying to do some of these exercises in this video and I feel like I'm doing alright on some of them but I feel like I'm messing up the ribbon one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C87ZXHPQkh0&t=300s
I understand that it takes time but I feel like I'm not doing it correctly and I'm that I'm not learning how to do this exercise properly, like I can't seem to properly shade it correctly.
Should I just stop doing this exercise until I have learn to shade effectively or should I just keep doing this exercise but not do the shading?

>>6166111
Ok this one looks too shitty so here's another one I did yesterday.
But yeah I still feel kind of confused on where the shadows are supposed to go when I'm twisting the ribbion and how the transition from hard to soft should go.
I feel like I should stop doing this until I get at least a beginner understanding on rendering and how that affects shapes and to not start any bad habits when it comes to that.

>>6165752
That's what makes it hard to crit true /beg/ work too. Means focus on fundamentals. Just find a list and go down it from the top. Is your linework (if drawing) or brushwork (if painting) up to snuff? ie, can you control what kind of mark you make, where the mark goes and its shape (curve, angle, etc)? If not that's the first thing to grind. There's an excercise that gets bounced around in a lot of sources for training line control (not sure about brush control, I only very recently became interested in painting personally) but Peter Han's course in the sticky (check the OP) starts out with this very exercise. After that do value studies (assuming you don't want to do plain lineart forever) and so on.

Work through some books, too. The stuff in the OP of the "artbook thread" is actually mostly scans of drawing manuals, not artbooks, and stuff like Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (which I think is very overrated but it will at least drill in the one very important skill of observational drawing, which will make you better at studies, which in turn will make you better at learning from studies; also just completely ignore the chapter on colour theory if you read an edition that has it). These books are set up in a structured way so that you just work from the exercises from start to finish. Think of it like schoolwork: There's a good chance you already know some of the stuff in the book, but work through that stuff anyway. If you don't there's a chance there will be something in there you're meant to learn that you won't learn, and you'll get lost later. At least when going over stuff you already know it should be easier.

do people often render on separate layers
for example, base color, diffuse shading, highlights
any guides on the best way to do it

>>6166000
Why are you drawing hairbraids instead of arms, is this a weird new fetish? Also the gesture is wrong so start with that (that'll also keep you from going off the edge of your paper/canvas) and instead of trying to draw the muscle groups you've learned from wherever draw what you actually see in the picture (which you should be better at perceiving because of the muscle groups you presumably know, since you're exaggerating them on the legs and presumably drawing them, albeit too short because you wanted to fit them and ran out of room on your paper, with no skin on the arms).

Also maybe drawing her thicc is a style choice and you're just using the reference for the pose and not doing a study or whatever, but that is a VERY thin model and you drew her huge, especially from the waist down. But doing that is also throwing your pose off, because you're trying for example to put meat on her hips (bringing her thigh muscle up/hipbones down) but doing that is making you miss the length and the angle of the pelvis. Note even on fat or muscular people the hipbone is pretty high, and it's the meat of the torso, not the pelvis, that tends to make it less distinct, because the hip joints are still always going to be way below the hipbones. That leg flesh only gets pushed upward when the knee is brought upward.

>>6166156
I do it in one layer, except for things like hair which I do in other layer. Might no be smart but works for me

>>6166156
Yes and not in the least because you have to do it that way to have access to useful layer blending modes like multiply, add, burn, dodge or hard light. You can make those brush properties instead but that's slightly more technical and FAR harder to work with on a single layer from a practical perspective (as each brushstroke will amplify the effects of a previous overlapping brushstroke), and there's really no reason to force yourself to work that way. Only reason to work on a single layer for rendering is if you're either trying to copy the "feel" of traditional painting (and strictly using raster brushes), or you're adjusting someone else's work that was saved as a PNG so it's easier to suck it up and carefully futz with raster brushes (for example colourpicking their shading tones) than to try using layer blending modes (and even then it's good practice to work on a second layer so you can manipulate your own brushstrokes without messing with the underlying image).

>>6166156
Its simpler to work in one layer imagine adding a new layer for highlights lmao
Unless it was a complex painting with forgrownd background etc you dont need to
Sepetate the layers based on objects such as one layer for background one for mid and one for forground

Is this good, or am i still a begtard

>>6166093
Yikes

>>6166197
Eyeliner's scuffed. Makes her look less like chun-li and more like a white scene girl in a chun li outfit.

Decent breast inflation, though.

>>6166197

It's very stiff and awkward, from the face to the pose.

>>6166201

I'm never gonna make it

>>6166188
>acting like making a new layer is hard work and dealing with the limitations of a single layer isn't
The secret of laziness is you end up doing more work in the end. Just make the new layer, idiot. It's two keystrokes.

>>6166227
NTA but for me, the reason i dont like too many layers is that i have to keep thinking "am i on the right layer" whenever i see something that i want to change

so i rather just use one for lineart and other for colors, and maybe every once in a while an extra layer on top to try something that i dont know if i will like

>>6166227
Its redundant as fuck why would i make a multiply layer that would create a shityy shadow when i can pick a fucking shadow and paint it in? You are the retard

>>6166222
just work on some line weight and you'll be fine.

>>6166273
I did it with an ink ball point. But I don't know lineweight with any pen.
>fine
I doubt it.

>>6166279
try getting a fountain pen or brush pen

>>6166283
I think the lines are the least of the problems

>>6166011
It's ok. I learned the same doing technical illustrations, it's basically the same as your exercise.

>>6166204
Your mom is very stiff and awkward when I'm balls deep inside of her.

>>6166197
There are flaws but it definitely has coombux potential. The face is not bad per se but I feel like there's more you can do with her expression and the shape design. Smaller chin, slightly smaller nose, stronger eye shape, etc.

>>6166197
Great rendering skills. Rest is meh imo

Should I read any books or just draw, if I want to make comics from imagination

>>6166316
>or
lol

>>6166320
What

>>6166322
Nobody ever accomplished anything by “just drawing.” That’s like giving a retard a bunch of lumber and nails and expecting him to build a house.

>>6166328
Ok fuck this then

>>6166329
Yeah, that’s a NGMI attitude.

>>6166331
I don't want to read books and draw shit I don't want to.

>>6166333
If you don’t read books then I can guarantee your comic will be nothing more than drawn shit.

>>6166335
Fine, I wont draw then.

>>6166316
fuck imagination, you don't have one yet
go study good comic artists you like and analyze what they did instead of trying to conjure up imaginary crap

reminder criticism without redline or pyw are worthless

Goblin/raccoon guy here. I got a job and it pays well so I will no longer harbor any delusions of drawing. The real NGMI were the crabs I met along the way. Bye.

did a girl for the tower girl thread

>>6166343
damn... good luck...

>>6166339
Only complete begtards demand such frivolity. We don’t need to prove to you that we’re right that you are teh suxxorz and should KYS. Just trust us lmao.

>>6166310
Thank you anon, those faces look really nice

>>6166204
>>6166312
Maybe i should stop rendering anything for a while and just draw with lines to get better at that

That said, can anyone explain what "stiffness" means and how to fix it?

Before and after trying Naoki Saito's 3 day improvement method.

How did I do? Is there any significant improvement? Am I good enough to try the 3 month method yet?

>>6166354
>trusting another begnigger who probably doesnt even draw
no thanks

>>6166337
While I agree with the ideea behind this overall
>fuck imagination, you don't have one yet
I think if you don't have at least a degree of imagiantion you litterally not supposed to do comics in the first place, what would you even create.

>>6166366
You're tracing so the only thing that can be spoken about is the line quality which had a marginal improvement.
Now stop symbol drawing and thinking you can take shortcuts, try Keys to Drawing.

>>6166372
Another reason to not do shit then, fantastic.

>>6166374
What? Both were drawn from imagination

>>6166316
>>6166333

the amount of reading is 5% compared with the amount of drawing you need

if you don't want to draw things you don't want to just practice with the subjects you like or just study for a specific piece

thing is if you don't draw spheres, boxes and bean bags and make them interact you will probably not be able to draw anything

>>6166375
I mean i was genuinely curious on your opinion of that, but ok

>>6166333
what the fuck are you doing in an art learning board then

>>6166372
Most of the indie self published shit I’ve seen is the most unimaginative shit I could imagine. Some faggot whining about how he came out or “lmao I got so drunk with my friends here’s the awesomeness in (poorly drawn)comic form.” It’s all just the most banal slice of life (usually autobiographical) shit. So no, you apparently don’t need an imagination to do a comic.

>>6166380
Then I wont draw anything.

>>6166385
Asking about learning

>>6166374
Stop talking about stuff you have no idea about retards. Naoki's methods are basically hardcore grinding, nothing at all about shortcuts. Maybe go draw instead of giving shitty opinions when people are just trying to improve

>>6166391
And the answer is that you won't learn without trying to learn, you should have closed the tab 30 minutes ago if you already decided that you don't want to learn.

>>6166386
Touche. I was indeed overstimating the standards of what the average man considers a comic worth drawing.

>>6166396
I could try to learn, but not doing stuff I don't like.

>>6166388
your call

you will still be probably be able to draw 2D things that look aesthetic if you got it in you. but I hope you will be able to come in terms with it. for me, unfortunately, getting good is some kind of need I developed. it is suffering.

>>6166400
That's an oxymoron. Close the tab and don't think about learning again.

lotta pissbabies in here today

what's a good video course to follow? I wanna draw cool shit that i imagine.

>>6166402
True suffering is not being able to do anything you want because you are not skilled and there is a decades worth of work to get to it, the fancy idea just hovering like a mocking ghost. It's fine for kids, they don't know better but I can't stand all that crap to make one thing I want.

>>6166411
I doesnt take a decade to draw stuff thats decent

>>6166388
Who gives a shit? Fuck off already

>>6166415
It does when you are a retard who was bad even as a child compared to others. I didn't even know how to draw a classic boxcar or a oblongcat, just mush.

>>6166197
A beg couldn't do that, you're int

>>6166417
Fuck you asshole! Fuck you in the ass so hard that you bleed cum filled shit from your anus for weeks on end!

>>6166244
I usually operate with 4-6 layers. One is for lines, sometimes one that I turn off is a sketch layer (I don't sketch and ink, but I'll draw things in on the "sketch" layer to experiment and then cut and paste them to the main lineart layer), one is for flat colours, then one is for highlights and one is for shading (some of which I usually also do on the flats layer for fine-tuning), and lastly I sometimes do a separate background layer. The ones I always have are lines, flats, highlights and shadows. OCCASIONALLY I'll experiment with combining other layer blending modes, but it's not part of my usual workflow. Highlights and shadow layers are readily identifiable because they use different layer blending modes, which are labeled automatically, and it's easy to tell lineart from flats because the thumbnail for flats is a block of colour while the thumbnail for lines is mostly transparency, while the sketch layer is turned off unless I'm actively using it.

For your same rationale I don't do shit like >>6166188 which is completely unnecessary and makes you end up with like a dozen if not more raster layers for individual objects in the scene that could all be on one layer with no additional inconvenience except in the unusual circumstance that you want to individually manipulate HSV on a single object or something, in which case the inconvenience of lassoing the object is much less than the inconvenience of dealing with a bunch of layers imo. You can name all your layers, but why go to the extra trouble if there's no reason to deal with all those layers in the first place?

>>6166254
Consistent control over shadow temperature. I know this is /beg/ but damn. This is like saying "why would I blend paints on a palette when I could just use a pure paint from a tube for every shade?"

I was just a stagnated permabeg who had only gotten worse in the three years since I started drawing.

>>6166429
I’ll paint the tight tube of your ass with my cum, faggot!

>>6166411
If it is that suffering you are like me. Just practice. It is tougher when you just started. No one complains they cant be a gold medalist in judo when they start. Be humble and try to enjoy the ride.

Practice some spheres and draw a simple pokemon. You can do it

>>6164282
WHAT

>>6166429
bitch just say you cant paint for shit if spoon fed layers dont exist
my shadows are good no need for adjustment cuz i have a fucking pallet
i dont invent my pallet as i paint that is a /beg/ mistake shithead if you dont know ur shadows from the start
i use layers for lines but thats it overkill is using for base/shadow/highlight etc
if you are handicapped okay just dont go policing others to use layers when obviosly people exist who dont need layers

>>6166440
Pokemen are hard even with with reference

>>6166456
Copying isn't drawing.

>>6166456
porportions fix that it will look better

>>6166394
The 3 day method
>Day 1: Draw a character's full body as well as you can, don't trim or hide parts you aren't good at
>Day 2 part 1: Grab a pose collection book and practice the poses. Don't grind and overdo, concentrate for a short while. Draw cross-section wireframes around every pose. Make mental note of every solid you're drawing and try to understand the forms
>Day 2 part 2: Choose the coolest pose you drew and use a mannequin in the same pose, then draw the same pose in several different angles. Draw the wireframes around these too. The goal is make you understand the 3D shape of the figure and be able to reproduce it in your head in any position. Don't trace, instead approach it with a constructive mindset
>Day 3: Draw the original full body again using the 3D sensation you should have developed at day 2. Make written notes of everything that you improved upon

Anon saying he drew from imagination makes no sense since the process is not about imagination at all, what poses did he draw? What did the day 2 practice look like? The actually good advice seems to be ignored, what were the notes you made between the pieces?

I watched the 3 month video and it's exactly what I expected too.

>lifelong artist with halfway decent ability but lack of focus
>decides to finally rethink what he's doing and bring it all together into finished pieces

Here's the process:
>1. Find your role model
>2. Draw original pieces with that role model's style
>3. Compare your piece to the role model's
>4. Identify every problem you see
>5. Work on those problems
>repeat

Copying artists is a good way to learn for sure, but only if you actually try to copy their process and markmaking instead of plainly copying what you see using poor technique.
It will very much force a beginner to take shortcuts if they don't realize the self-critique part and what it takes to actually develop their role model's pictures. This is not a /beg/ method, it's a style development method.

>>6166458
this true?

>>6166429
if using more layers works for you, then there's nothing wrong with that. 4-6 is not even that many. I've seen artists like Dave Rapoza and Sakimichan paint and they have like 100 layers, which would kill all the fun for me, but I guess it works for them

I rather just stick with 2, one for lines and one for everything else, so I can just paint and forget about changing layers. It's more enjoyable that way for me.

>>6166463
I feel the methods have the same problem FWAP have: They underestimate how overwhelmed a beginner inevitably gets and fail to account for the fact that a beginner will have to absolutely take shortcuts to meet the most plain of standards.
With the loomis heads for example, the goal is to make the student understand how the forms are placed in 3D space around the head but a beginner will simply not get this at all, they will simply draw overlapping circles and try to eyeball the proportions. Naoki's method is also all about 3D space but instead of boxes and cylinders you're instead jumping straight into full bodies which is absolutely out of the scope of a beginner that needs to learn 3D space, which will force them to eyeball the lines instead.

>>6166464
Not at all. Tracing isn’t drawing. Copying still trains control of your movements and spacing and to identify where your copy differs (fails) from the original.

>>6166454
pyw

>>6166475
u started the blabla bka you pyw

>>6166460
I don't know what that means sry
>>6166458
I cant do anything else

>>6166490
it means how big are things in relation to other things
how big is the head compared to the body
how big is the eyes compared to the head
etc

>>6166496
Well apparently I can't see things like that.

>>6166504
No one does which is why you learn to see and practice proportion.
Keys to Drawing.

>>6164880
>>6164885
This is a recent manga by Nico Tanigawa (the artist), but more than two years ago. Generally speaking, manga and anime are heavily deformed, so it is better to use it only as a reference to learn about artwork styles. Unless you want to be a manga/anime drawer.

>>6166514
Most manga "artists" outright trace from 3D models or mannequins and have very poor understanding of space and form, fumbling hard to place facial features in some unpracticed position for example.
I don't know why anons are so enamored by manga when it's 99% a storytelling format with art being secondary at best for most mangakas.

>>6166094
Copy shit (but don't trace)

>>6166315
the lines look great

>>6166466
Noaki method 100% assumed you're not some day 1 beg that needs to be handheld through the super basics of fundamental. if you're not in the ball park of >>6163984 this simply isn't the course for you.

>>6166463
I'm the anon who posted the before and after, which were day 1 and day 3 specifically. I already posted the 2nd day before. Day 2 I used the ref book Naoki recommended and a 3d model for copying from multiple angles. Unless I read it wrong, you're supposed to draw a character from imagination in the first and second day, all to understand how to draw 3d better, it doesn’t even make sense to use ref on day 1 and 3 when you're tryng to understand how to draw in 3d

>>6166468
>>6166458
shut up begnigger
stop giving shit advice

How do I use reference pics to make my own fanart? I can only draw what I see, how do I change things

>>6166604
First copy the reference to get used to the subject's features, then draw it from different angles. Don't stay stuck in the typical /beg/ cycle of slowly drawing one thing once then being done with it, you should fill a whole page of sketches until you get become comfortable with a subject.

>>6166607
Draw it from different angles from different references or try to twist it solo (and how I do that) ?

>>6164683
detailed and informative

>>6166609
Your goal with references is to memorize the subject's features and have a little workflow so that you can draw them in any angle and pose. To draw something in any angle you learn perspective and form and think of every feature within the context of 3D space.
Beginner books and courses focus so much on this because it's pretty much 80% of the work involved in drawing.

>>6166614
But wouldn't I need atleast a side references and front to know the proportions and all?

>>6166617
Do not focus on measuring proportions because no one gives a shit and it's actively detrimental while drawing, it's fine to look at a reference while drawing but you simply won't need to once you actually get used to the subject.
It's not a grind where the goal is accuracy, the goal is to build up your visual library and that's where different angles come in, it forces you to think beyond the flat image you see. You change things by mechanically forcing yourself into a situation where you can't just copy.

are warmer colors objectively better than cooler colors?

>>6166629
I don't want to be a bother and constantly jabber on the same thing, but if I have just a single picture for reference how do i spin it around to different angles?

>>6166635
Learn and practice the basic forms like boxes, cylinders and arbitrary organic shapes, learn to think in terms of camera angles and foreshortenings, build that up to increase complexity, drawing several shapes in one scene, making shapes more complex, overlapping them, etc.
The canvas is not a flat board but a window to a 3D space. Things like line flow and perspective aren't just cosmetic improvements but are meant to fundamentally change how you think while drawing.
If you think of a simplified head as a sphere for example you can then draw that sphere in any angle, with the features being rotated along the surface. Your accuracy will suck at first and you'll break your head but it's very much worth it.

>>6166649
Nta but I understand all that but still can't draw convincingly forms. What specific pratice should I use to internalize it? Something like that 200 boxes practice?

>>6166653
Drawabox helped me understand it from a logical standpoint but I only internalized it properly when I started practicing organic shapes like pic related. You can find lots of explanations and I think Peter Han's dynamic sketching is the go-to for this.
Also try to match the depth of the shape with line pressure as you are drawing, so a blob with one side closer to the camera will have a thicker line, you'll push harder which makes you instinctively associate pressure with depth which helped me a lot to think in the third dimension.

How to know if I have used my hour a day practicing effectively?

>>6166691
Did you produce a full high quality art piece or fill in at least a few pages of practice?
Did you struggle and feel confused of frustrated at points and to move past it you tackled the points that made you feel that way instead of brushing them aside?
If yes to both you probably made good use of your time, if you didn't really do any work or you breezed through the entire thing without firing up your brain you probably wasted it

>>6166717
>Did you produce a full high quality art piece
I have never done this, because I'm afraid of the result

>>6166721
desu don't blame you, I prefer to just work on drawing and practice at the moment only shading with my pencil
Once I've figured out how to make something with structure and lines look good I'll bother to figure out how to render and do colour even though it will probably take a year
For now busting out a couple pages each day of gesture and some pages on whatever lessons I'm currently learning from books/courses is enough

Wat a bullshit i still cant feel the form...

>>6166550
Thanks

>>6166360

I think doing a ton of gesture drawings and otherwise figure studies will be helpful for you. Don't make it pretty drawings, do them to get a better grasp of drawing poses.

i hope everyone in this thread sees this: i love your art. You're all so creative. Keep going no matter what.

>>6166463
>lifelong artist with halfway decent ability but lack of focus
>decides to finally rethink what he's doing and bring it all together into finished pieces

Completely agree, feel like most people after doing art casually for like 5+ years (sketching around somewhat seriously in your youth during school and/or uni years), will lead to an artist who can use Naoki method. But it's not really a method, more just gaining focus and confidence now that the end goal seems within reach.

>>6166949
I literally adore this and demand your inspiration. Now.

>>6167016
Inspiration is DMing in tabletop. I like to draw characters for my game.

new fad; characters with wide mouths

>>6166454
bitch just say you cant paint for shit if brushes and canvases dont exist
my cave paintings are good no need for adjustment cuz i have a fucking finger
i dont use artificial surfaces to paint that is a /beg/ mistake shithead if you dont know ur geology from the start
i use a frayed stick to mix water into dry pigment but thats it overkill is using for spreading the paint etc
if you are handicapped okay just dont go policing others to use modern tools when obviosly people exist who dont need brushes

Nice baseless argument, go fuck yourself luddite retard.

>>6163992
You guys use anything other then photoshop? im getting back into the grind.

>>6167175
i use ochre and sticks blackened in a fire

my parents are going to kick me out of the basement soon

>>6167175
csp, Krista, paint, etc

>>6167203
>Krista
Mean Krita

>>6167219
NEW THREAD
>>6167219
NEW THREAD
>>6167219
NEW THREAD

>>6165547
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 40

God damn am I tired from work today, but I wanted to post at least something today.