/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6156290
inb4 /pol/ack ">anime" posters

>>6156296
don't respond to bait, it always derails threads

>>6156299
don’t tell me what i can and cannot do faggot

i spent hours and hours trying to find an artist i want to copy, in the end i picked this one.
I had issues with the ones I looked at before like they had eyes that felt a bit small or too moe, heads that are a bit too stylised, outline felt too cartoonish or hair that where the highlights weren't to my liking.

i was gonna pick yabuki kentarou, ataruman, hiroyama hiroshi gurrasion, and a ton of others.
I settled on this artist called しゅがお but i'm not a fan of the nose i prefer the korean style of anime nose, where they don't shade too much so i'll just swap out. Also I'm a big fan of this unsaturated blue look a bunch of art had so i'll try to change it to that. It's pretty tricky, i mean her skin is blue here but looks normal.

>>6156290
Thought about it for a while. There's a lot of anime artists, manga artists, and fan artists that I would love to draw like, and so many styles that are both adorable and cute. But given my love of shounen, and the characters I make and want to draw. I finally settled on the Fuyuki23 (Instagram) the artist of the Webtoon The Beginning After The End (TBATE)

This artist while being just a webtoon artist and not one of the greats or pros, hits all points of cute, cool, battle, light-hearted, comedy, romance, and complete epic shounen emotion. Everything that I want to be able to create myself.

https://youtu.be/hPW5NE1bBac

man bless you anon
I searching this book since ever

>>6156290
>master studies
>but le japanese
nuke asg.

>>6156290
what does he refer to with "rounds" ?

>>6156290
Fine, you convinced me. I'm desperate enough to try our snake oil, you funny looking man

>>6156290
I’ll spend the entire day today reading through this.

>>6156290
TLDR, is this any different than doing regular master studies?

>>6156451
Why dont you try for yourself ngmi chama

>>6156452
I don't have time to look at the video. A simple yes/no would suffice

>>6156456
If you don’t have time then this isn’t for you.

>>6156458
Time to study =/= time to look at every random youtube art advice video

>>6156460
>dont have time to skip thru a video
>have time to reply to some troll of 4chin on multiple times
many such cases

>>6156460
It's less than 30 mins, you probably waste more time taking a shit

So despite reading the book.. I'm a bit confused. I know we try to replicate the style in our own image, but should we try to replicate a pose as well, not copy completely, but reference? Like, what if we're not sure what makes the style we chose unique, like a part from generic other styles?

>>6156451
the tldr is
1. pick an artist that you want to draw like, get a picture (or a few) that you really like
2. make a finished illustration trying to imitate that. do not just copy their work, make your own
3. compare your work to theirs, see what's different, what you got wrong and what you need to work on
4. pick the biggest issue that you have at the moment and go practice that
5. after you think you learned something from your practice you go back to step 2 and make another finished illustration and repeat the whole process again

>>6156478
so Krenz Method?

>>6156478
Thank you based anon. I have now decided to watch the video later.

>>6156472
you make a original image but trying to imitate the style, basically a "draw this in your style"

also stop thinking of what makes style unique or not, just make a list of the characteristics, like how the anatomy is stylized, the color palettes, common themes and composition etc etc

your hang ups are mostly based on the semantics and meaning of the words, the english translation and the way he uses certain terms can be a bit confusing

>>6156497
>basically a reverse "draw this in your style"
fuck, quick edit, i meant " like draw this in your style" but your imitating the artists style instead of using yours

>>6156290
Sounds good lol.
Welp once I've finished with all the comms for this month I'll probably take a month break from all comms and just focus on this improvements crap.

>>6156290
wouldnt the thread benefit if it merged with /asg/?

Here's mine, going to try to draw deedlit

What is this? The Agile Method for Artists?

Also @ 5:46
>So don't lie to yourself what you like
S...Saito-sensei, I'm not sure I'm ready to have those kinds of illustrations in my sketchbook. What if someone finds them?
I really like Bernal's old artwork

>>6157441
ngmi furryfag

>>6156290
>draw original art in the style of your ideal design
But I'm not good enough to draw from imagination yet. Can I use a realistic ref at least?

>>6156290
I have no idea what I am doing

>>6156290
I've already somewhat been doing this by copying my favorite manga as warmups, but it didn't even cross my mind to make original drawings using the same style. I'll give it a try.

>>6156290
I want to draw detailed anime art with good lighting and nice background, but the artists I follow mostly do characters standing in the void. Do anyone know anime artists who can draw cute anime girls but with detailed backgrounds too?

>>6157531
Retard fellow anon. Realistic ref is just a trap. Learn the underlying structure of the things you want to draw and you'll know how to draw without a ref.

This is the trick that nobody told you. But I told you because you are as dumb as me.

In this case, that means you do not need to rather or pose yourself for millions pictures as a retard.

>>6157531

Yes the idea isn't to draw from nothing. Just to copy the style of the person, and do only his style for 3 months. As many true illustrations you can complete in that period. He emphasizes treating each attempt as a real hardcore attempt not just "practice"

>>6157555
>Learn the underlying structure of the things you want to draw and you'll know how to draw without a ref.
If it's that simple I wouldn't have been here looking for a way to improve. Or my knowledge is just not polished enough to construct from scratch, I know I don't, even after having read Hampton's anatomy book.
>>6157558
Yeah I thought as much, I think the most important thing here is to identify what areas you want to improve. For a beginner it could be daunting since there're also the basics to worry about, instead of just distinct characteristics that make up a master artist's style. Having a ref to draw with would give me some free headspace to focus on studying the style I want to adapt.

>>6156290
A discord would be nice to see anon's progresses recorded in real time, but I guess a thread is fine too

>>6157577
Yea he states after an illustration, compare it to the masters style, identify problem areas, study how to fix said area then attempt a new illustration afterwards, rinse and repeat.

He also mentioned that interesting 1 day training thing, where you apparently draw the whole damn day, for nearly 13 hours *with breaks ofc*.

It's working bros, I'm improving

AHHHHHHHHH

>>6157619
Enjoy it while it lasts. It'll be shit again by tomorrow.

I'm happy for you all but JFL at the fact it literally took "JAPANESE THING:" for you niggas to start doing master studies

>>6157581
There's the Sketchbook server

>>6156290
I have always been immensely impressed by Arne's work. He's got a beautiful sense of design and solidity.

>>6157775
You think you're smart but /asg/ has been doing those things for ages

>>6157829
What's that?

>>6157859
sameee where can i see more of his works?

>>6157775
at least they're drawing cheer up!

>>6157829
you have to hand over your phone number before you're even allowed to post
also, no posting flat girls

>>6157881
Google android arts

>>6157881
he has a website for all his work

https://androidarts.com/

he also has a twitter just search androidarts twitter on google, altho hes tweets involve a lot of retro tech/games with art as secondary

>>6157581
anything that involves discord ad /ic/ always ends badly, i swear people never learn that a board full of shitters, crabs hugbox babies, and trannies looking for a place to blog is not good for community building

>>6158049
>>6158039
thanks!

what did he mean by this?

>>6157554
white datura
his style is what I'm going for as well

You guys are basically just doing a glorified Influence Map. No, that's basically it. And very few of you would actually go through with this 3 month program while everyone else already was doing master studies.

>>6158100
calm down dude, it's a study method. I am currently working on my piece btw, it just takes time because we have to make a full illustration instead of just copying bridgman's scribbles.

>>6158091
Very nice art, but I'm going for lineart and that's too painterly for what I'm looking for.

>>6156478
I thought this shit was obvious

While searching the tags on Twitter I found this app. It's a progress blog that connects to your Twitter account. It's in Japanese but not hard to figure out for those who don't know the language.
Here's a page by someone doing this method
>https://shinchoku.net/notes/69922

>>6158272
>all that practice and they are still /asg/ tier
can't believe the asian jeans aren't real

>>6156290
based nips were right all along....

>>6158272
This app looks great. Let's make one. Here is mine: https://shinchoku.net/notes/70999

>>6158091
I'm deciding between him and HJL
they're similar in a bunch of ways but Datura's colours are insane

>>6156323
>but i'm not a fan of the nose i prefer the korean style of anime nose, where they don't shade too much so i'll just swap out.
See page 142 to 147 in the book.

>>6158891
>>6158091
if you like painterly styles i'd encourage you to study people like fetchin & zorn and maybe go through dice tsutsumi's schoolism course.
if just pretend it's about cute anime girls if you get triggered by westernshit

Not trying to start shit but don't links to resources get taken down on /ic/?
Do you wanna host the book on another site?
Or does nobody give a fuck about art books unless it's proko stuff?

>>6157581
Fuck you discord tranny

>>6157619
False alarm

so whats the tl;dr
find artist you like and copy them for 3 months?

>>6159393
Yeah and doing complete original works in their style, find out what's wrong and repeat.

The point is that you are constantly doing focused finished work so you have no excuses when it doesn't look as good as the artist you copy

i've been basically been trying to do this since the year started but have been pretty much stuck on trying to find an artist to really emulate

still looking for one, but i'm so frustrated with my slow progress that i'm will to just pick one out of a bucket and dedicate myself to copying them

I've been basically been trying to do this since the year started (unknowing that this is a process being pushed by this guy) but have been pretty much stuck on trying to find an artist to really emulate

Still looking for one, but I'm so frustrated with the slow progress that I'm willing to just pick one out of a bucket and dedicate myself to copying them for the rest of the year

>>6159408
Same here anon,I only drew art because it seemed fun. Just don't have strong feelings of picking up the pen and studying

>>6159415
an artist

>>6159415
i was grinding fundies all of last year
got boxes of figure drawings
boxes of boxes
did a lot of bad portraits until they got passable (still symbol drawn)
notebooks of unreadable urban sketches


but character drawing is what i wanna do so i gotta just tucker down and copy some dude.

How do you know if an artist is bad to copy from

>>6159424
If you don't like their art

>>6159424
If their art doesn't make you like

>>6159424
like if their art don't make you their

>>6157829
Got a link to it? Is it just posting your art in your own channel?

>>6159414
Just pick one of your favorites. You only need to commit to copying them for three months, not an entire year. After that you can just pick another person.

>>6156290

What do you do if you have multiple role models which contradicting styles?

>>6159654
Find an unsatisfying middle ground

I can't really accurately summarise what it is exactly. I just love her style. It probably mostly comes down to texture and her work can look very "free" in a sense that she's not interested solely in accuracy. But a big part of why her style is good is it fits the types of stories she likes to tell. I do think it benefits more from trad too, the move to digital felt like a step down.

It's very cool and definitely sends a message on what type of person the artist is. The only downside is it probably wouldn't mesh well with the stories I would like to tell because it feels too gritty so the challenge would be to find some middle ground but as the anon above said, doing that would be disappointing.

>>6158050
>anything that involves discord ad /ic/ always ends badly
yeah because fags always want to bring ic shitty ass culture along with them instead of leaving what clearly doesn't work at the door.

>>6159392

>>6156488
no, basic learning method from the begging of time.

>>6156290
There should be a third pic: your current level. Because this method is not for beginners, as author said.

>>6160346
there's a line i've seen floated around
its, don't copy until you've learned to copy

>>6160360
But you can't learn to copy without copying.

ya drawing yet?

>>6156290
I'm at a late enough stage where I already have my style but there are genuinely good tips in that book, so thanks for posting.

>>6160365
Just gotta read more books and do more boxes and you will know how to copy anon
>>6160346
Yeah it seems to be most effective for changing/adapting to a new style or getting out of stagnation rather than a way to magically get good from scratch. On the other hand, there isn't a lot of ways to improve fast. I may try his 3 day method then back to bridgman copying if I'm not blown away like he claimed I would in the book

>>6156290
>it's best not to think about a girls face as a 3d thing
What did he mean by this? 14:40

>>6156290
After picking someone to emulate, would it be ineffective to try to make a 1:1 copy? As opposed to making something "new" but in the style of the chosen mentor, if that makes sense.

>>6160659
That the loomis meme is a beg trap.

>>6160779
He specifically told you to draw your own thing, like a full blown completed work that you can post on social media, that way you will put your effort in everything, and can't unknowingly half-ass what could be very vital to and make or break the style you're emulating. Like doing only the lineart and shading but not coloring, even though coloring plays a big part in the artist's style that holds everything together

>>6160614
what's the point in going back to copy bridgeman? in the book saito talks about how doing endless copies are a trap which makes sense. you learn more from making a finished painting than you do from copying 1000 bridgeman pencil sketches.

Is anyone actually working on this or is it just another meme that ic shills but doesn't do

>>6160899
Because I'm still doing finished pieces on the side, not just bridgman. And copying bridgman honestly helped me improving anatomy, it's not just a meme. The only thing following Saito's method will change is instead of bridgman for anatomy I do other studies focused on improving specific areas in between completed works

>>6158217
then why you don't make it yet?

>>6160367
Yes. When do we share the practices? Are we gonna have another thread for round one?

>>6160958
Maybe im a speed reader but what does he by rounds? How much time is a round?

>>6160963
A cycle of making your own drawing, identifying the main issue, studying and fixing it then repeat. It depends on the person, but he said you will typical see significant progress after 3 or 4 rounds

>>6160963
You study the worst part of your first drawing until you feel your power level rise and then you start the next full drawing to realize you know nothing and you suck try again.

>>6161117
>>6161118
Thanks kings

>>6156290
What if my favorite artists are not great on a technical level but I simply find their art charming? It's the sort of art I'd wanna make the most, but I also obviously don't want to take on their technical mistakes. On the other hand, that means I wouldn't be replicating them exactly.

>>6161398
Sounds like you should find artist who knows how to draw instead of buying into the soul meme.

3 day improvement method, 2nd day, 1st half. This took way too much time, I will just do the second half tomorrow

>>6156290
kinda happy to see this on /ic/ ngl

it took a random jp artist posting a book saying to do master studies for people to actually begin doing them

keep going anons and improve

>>6160900
I'm stuck at trying to find an artist for this.

Wait so “master” study is not necessary have to be “old” master studies as in Norman Rockwell, Tiepolo or Michelangelo? Study from ur fav nipponese anime or cartoon artist is count too?

>>6161725
Do you even care about art?
I don't get how any artist who does would have problems choosing someone to emulate

>>6161835
Liking to many artists is the problem

>>6161846
just use a random number generator jesus, any excuse to not draw

>>6161846
These niggers all kinda draw the same anyway so pic the one that you can learn the most from. Jesus you chucklefucks are getting filtered before you even started.

>>6161870
>>6161898
hey i have already chosen an artist
but to say that its just as easy as picking a random artist you like is honestly an understatement

but for anyone who has this issue too, what helped me find the right idol sas
1. artists who actually draw illustrations, filter the other guys who aren't
2. people with a more consistent style or at least stick to one era of an artist. a lot of guys tend to change pretty drastically over the decades
3. make sure they have a lot of stuff you can analyze.

of course, ignore this if you are already set on one artist. this just helped me narrow down who i wanted to use for this challenge

>>6161951
i mean, this is not a decision that will have deep impact on your life

i think even in the book the dude says this is just for ONE artist, meaning you can just keep studying several of your fav artists over the years 3 moths each

>>6161955
>i mean, this is not a decision that will have deep impact on your life
it can feel that way though, but i suppose its really the first barrier to overcome. 3 months really isn't a long time if you already draw every day and its sometimes hard to overcome your own fickleness
like sometimes i like super serious concept artist and want to draw like that, other days i like that the guy who's just drawing sexy sketches every day
But just doing it will always be the only advice you need

thing

have you gotten super serious yet anon

Reminder to study their LINEART too, people often not doing this part and move on to more advanced thing to study

>>6156290
I'm going to try this method as studying endless is quickly becoming my comfort zone and wish to shake the embarrassment of studying from another artist.

I'm struggling with this shit, doing a complete illustration for me is taking almost all week.
How the hell did some of the people in the book do 20+ rounds in 3months?

>>6163648
A week is still fine. That is the time frame he describes in the video.

hope it goes well

Good luck to you all.

>>6163648
most of these guys are doing under 10 rounds
20+ is defiantly not what you should be considered standard
although the guy who did 20+ seemed like he made the most gains compared to people who were already pretty good so... maybe you should do 20+ rounds!

I wanted to try this for a long time but it‘s not possible for me to settle on one artist because I always find things that are less good when I stick with one artist over time.

Been considering just taking violet evergarden official art as my „artist“. What do you guys think..? I feel like I am missing the point by picking anime art instead of illustration art.

>>6163812
uuu-uooh....

>>6164381
>I feel like I am missing the point by picking anime art instead of illustration art.
why not look up the designers from the show?
and probably. art for the production cycle isn't really "art"

>>6164381
https://setteidreams.net/settei/violet-evergarden/
https://setteidreams.net/color-designs/violet-evergarden/
These might be useful if you haven't seen them already.
And study whatever you want. The focus is on improving enough to draw how you want to. This method would work for people doing 3D or animation too.

>>6158217
children and dumbasses who don't know any better learn to improve and draw faster than people who somehow develop this mindset that there are some things you can't imitate and they focus more of their time trying to find their own "style" and "identity" rather than learning how to actually draw.

>>6157438
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>>6159648
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>>6163812
I follow a lot of anime artists on twitter, but I cant say I've ever seen nor recognize the names of these ones, I'm doing something wrong?

>>6165068
most of these artists aren't twitter artists

It's been 5 days so far post WIPs

>>6165068
twitter is literally made for shitposts, try a website actually made for art like pixiv or something

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>>6164606
It’s a really elaborate anime though with very beautiful art which I enjoyed a lot so I figured why not.

>>6165053
I have seen them but thank you anyways. And I think I just might at this point. I never followed the method before because I couldn‘t decide but the book really made me want to try it, especially the student results.

>>6165254
every artist I follow in twitter is also on pixiv, now what?

guess I will contribute

>>6165253
using Mignon as role model.

>>6165664
and the finished drawing after reading the book and comparing my last drawing and studying

I don't have anyone I admire and it's making me insane, these are some misc drawings i had on had, but if anyone can recomend me any artsit with similar styles i'll really apreciate it

>>6165714
Probably Nobuteru Yūki's solatorobo Concept artwork

>>6165714
Time to start coloring, negro

can you do this as a beg

>>6165841
I just don't enjoy painting, this was the last thing I painted, arround december

>>6165856
Probably not. You need some foundation to work on.

>>6165856
You need to be decent get the most out of this, and there isn't a single example in the book of people who worked through this that isn't at worst on the border of high beg and lowint. Come back to this when you understand the basics.

For those having trouble looking for an artist to emulate, I think it helps to have an influence map with your favorite piece of said artists. I think seeing them all in one page helps you to decide which one you want to study the most first. You can always do more studies of another artist after the three months.

>>6165856
Can you? Yes. Should you? Probably not. The method itself isn't some complex thing that only an experienced artist would understand. At the core of it, you're just working your way to a model artist through repetition and focused practice. It's literally the most fundamental method to learn anything. The issue is that step 1 is to make an original art, which is something a complete beg is going to struggle with to begin with. It'll take a long time, and when you finish the issues to fix are going to be numerous. It won't just be "the eyes don't look right", it'll be "they look someone took a steamroller over a giraffe"
You see people in the book talking about doing 5, 8, or 10 rounds. A beg is going to need more than that to reach their desired level, and it's probably going to take way more than 3 months depending on how much you do a day.

>>6166302
Okay, but I have no idea who really influenced me. I've just drawn.
>>6165276 is me
It seems like a very generic anime style so practically all moe-anime artists have influenced me. Doesn't narrow anything down.
picrel is a pic I drew MONTHS ago, and despite it's flaws is one of the few drawings of mine I really like.

>>6165856
The book explicitly says it’s not for beginners. No go draw those circles and boxes pathetic loser.

>>6165063
I'm on day 5 of my art journey. This is literally me. Thx anon for the sound advice, I've watched more YT videos on how to draw, and started reading the bits and pieces of the 500 different books that /ic/ suggests and I've drawn maybe 5 hours total in 5 days. Back to the wacom I go. appreciate you anon

>>6165856
give it a go, why not?
you're basically doing the best you can possibly do, then analyzing and improving your mistakes, then doing your best again

>>6165856

>>6166704
Maybe the word "influence" doesn't exactly apply to you but I guess pick an artist you believe fits the closest to your current goal or desired end result. It doesn't have to be someone that's deeply affected you since you started drawing (though that does help with motivation).
If you want advice on how to narrow it down, I suppose pick a style that you see yourself drawing in for a good while. One that you're definitely interested in seeing reflected in your own. If there's too many to consider, compile the things you like anyway and then just pick one of them? If they're as ubiquitous as you say then sticking with just one won't hurt. There's no "picking the wrong one" as long as it's a style you like. And you'll find yourself repeating this type of study again with a different artist anyway, this is just to help you focus on something specific.

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>>6166628
well im not starting off from zero but i am still a beginner

i don't know what would really constitute a high beginner but i'd say im closer to there than not

one one hand i'd think i'd have a lot to gain, on the other hand i don't think i'm ready.

>>6166935
Well you can't get any worse if you do try. At worst it forces you to actually draw, which is an issue a lot of permabegs have

Well here we go.

>>6158100
what is master studies?

>>6158100
This method is all about master studies, retarded faggot.

>>6156323
the book says to play through the pain basically

This thread is dead, see you in 3 month

Count me in

>>6169327
Scrolls are cylinders. The ends are circles which are ellipses in perspective. The shape you're trying to draw is an ellipse with a line at the edge.

>>6169343
>The shape you're trying to draw is an ellipse with a line at the edge.
That's the hard part, deleting the bottom half of the ellipse (the half not shown) naturally, leaving the other half (the half we see) connected to the line (that we see).

>>6169327
thats kinda embarrassing

>>6169350
Yamamoto sensei really likes huge foreheads for some reason, all his girls are like that.

>>6169327
pyw anon, just by the way you write I get the feeling that youre too bad for this 4xv0jchallenge

>>6169354
why k*noichi though, that show is one of his worst and the bitches look like they have downs compared his other normal doodles

>>6160779
no, stop being a pussy. it will be a good skill in life

>>6169350
But it's cute, you just need to change the size of a few things and erase others.

>>6167063
Yeah, I don't understand why some people are telling begs to avoid this. If it gets them to address their flaws little by little, why not use this? Sure, they won't reach their main goal in 3 months, but who cares as long as they get closer to it?

>>6169833
The book goes into why its its not for beginners and what the should do get up to speed. You need work knowledge of lighting, how to render and color theory, anatomy and gesture, perspective, composition and line quality and most importantly this book does teach how to do any of those things so is you know it you assed out bro. Even the examples in the book shows that this is for high beg lifelong hobbyist are the start and not just picked up a pencil summerfags who think they can just jump to midint in a year.

>>6156290
Step 1 I'd the hardest and people saying
>Just choose one lol it's only 3 months
Are extremely retarded and miss the whole point of this

>>6169931
His initial picture has flat colors and the pose is referenced from artwork of some game he brings up. It might not be for permabegs that want everyone in silver platter, but it isn't impossible for a beg that legitimately seeks to get better.

>>6170005
It's extremely autistic to not being able to pick one artist that you absolutely love.

>>6170005
imagine already being filtered before any drawing is even required, fucking kek

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>>6170155
its not an easy decision but thinking 3 months as a short time is really for your benefit
art is a lifelong commitment, whats 3 months of being able to dedicate yourself to one challenge?
i'd say just go with the artist who has the most resources

>>6170005
I somewhat agree as I had to really sit and down and evaluate my own skill and the skill of my teacher to make sure learning from them tracks with my goals and would give me the proper foundation to get to it when I plan to move on to the next artist next year.

>>6170139
Imo any beg that has enough dedication to actually go outside the book and learn how to do all the basics, even just enough to do the first real illustration, could probably do it well enough to see benefit. Their first rounds will probably consist of going back and doing fundies and anatomy anyway, so it's not like they'd skip all that in the long run.
I just don't think that there are going to be many begs who see "improve in 3 months" and are actually that dedicated, rather than just being people looking for a magic pencil.

>>6170139
yeah but he already knows his fundies
he was already an illustrator before doing this
so his character drawing isn't great, he still has a lot of knowledge and experience before doing this

Really weighing if do this with the guy behind Wakfu/Dofus or Disgaea.

>>6170299
I'd say harada since all his stuff is tagged and easy to find on booru

i cant for the life of me find an artist I consider a role model. Lots of mangaka who I really enjoy the art of, like the obvious miura what not, but none that I really look up to in a way where I go 'I want to be like them.'
Not really sure what to do

>>6170299
>guy behind Wakfu/Dofus
you mean the french dude xaxaxa or wtv his name is?
he would be a decent choice since he posts WIP on his insta and you got his patreon video tutorials/walkthroughs on sites like onlinecourses-club

>>6158891
Go for Datura. You know why.

>>6157441
Based furryfag

>>6156290
I can't properly begin this til I'm through with upcoming con prep (end of the month) but after that I'll be able to start and not have other shit interfere. Meanwhile putting this here and keeping an eye on this thread, and will post a shinchoku page once I actually get going.

>>6156290
>Nearly 200 post
>Still not a single anon has post his first finish drawing which is literally the 2 step
So y'all just larpers?

>>6171782
I finished drawing one but it was so bad and looked so little like my reference artist that I just gave up midway.
At least I got the main point of the exercise and know what to tackle next.

>>6171782
I couldn't get the female anime jaw in 3/4th angle right...

>>6171782
it's /ic/ what did u expect?

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>>6171900
Because the book is not for beginners
Focus on fundies instead

>>6171906
Yeah wish I new that earlier, is there a book like this to unlock the feel the form skill?

>>6171782
>already did my second round and posted it in this thread now on my 3rd drawing
>completely ignored
okay guess I wont post my studies

>>6171899
>>6171900
post it
you lose nothing

>>6165678
nice boobas
I think the top of the head is too blurred compared to the rest, like the transition from sharp to blurred is quite sudden

>>6156290
This seems pretty fun

>>6171782
I'll post the finished piece + the list of shit wrong with it when it's actually done. The book says to take it super seriously so I am

>>6171929
do you draw for attention? if so then automatic ngmi

just post your stuff no matter what

>>6171782
Its hitting midnight soon and its still too fucking hot and sticky (even with the ac on max)to be drawing. Until the weather breaks im just going to take it easy.

Bump

>>6156290
>Master studies
>fuck off I don't need that shit
>Master studies (Japanese)
>I'VE FINALLY FOUND THE SECRET TECHNIQUE

>>6170447
I was on the same dilema, so I just went for the safe option, kantoku
later on I'll include things from other artists like rurudo, kinokonomi and ameto yuki
so regarding kantoku I'll mostly focus on clothing, poses, proportions and backgrouds
the other ones for eyes, faces and hair

>>6170565
the above illustration is by Shigatake

>>6175527
for real, its too fucking funny

>>6175695
Oops, thanks for the correction. I am actually looking at both of them since Shigatake's got videos of his painting process which I've been studying as reference for my first pass.

>>6175527
Its not master studies because you are creating original work.
The role model is just a benchmark for you to compare to so that self reflection is easier

The PDCA cycle is actually American

>>6175857
sure keep telling yourself that

>>6175705
>>6175878
I know you're getting a kick out of a supposedly "gotcha" moment , and I'm happy for you, but this is not really master study. What /asg/ have been doing is master study, also the only general consistently draw in this board, which the majority of people in this thread also frequent. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

>>6156478
The problem is most /beg/ artists don't know what they got wrong. They don't know what they don't know.
That's why most of these instructional videos are a complete waste of time. The expert hasn't really taught anyone and has forgotten what being a beginner is like. They naturally pick up the mistakes they make and fix them on the fly without much thought. A beginner doesn't know what to look for.

What are you supposed to do once you pick your role model?

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>>6176412
less talky, more drawy

>>6156290
This guy reminds me of Marco Frisoni, but Asian.

>>6156290
Okay, I'm stupid. How do I change the link to get the book? I tried removing the ">"

>>6177130
Remove spaces too (use notepad), if you see %20 on your addressbar that means you got a space

>>6177132
Thanks. That was harder than it need to be. Got it now.

Shit, I think I misunderstood the concept...

Very difficult to choose just one artist.

Bump

Wish me luck

>>6181680
whose the artist?

>>6156290
Quick question, even though Naoki says to use one role model, is there any problem in use two or three of them?

I heard on the draftsmen podcast about a method used in schools, that you take three artist that you apreciate in some way, then pin down what is the especific thing you want to copy from them, with that and some heavy training you form your style.

I wonder if there's any problem in combining the artist triad method promoted by Proko and Marshall with the 5 step method of Naoki Sato's.

>>6181994
being more clear, you pin down some different aspect from each artist, then you take those three things to form your style

THE SECRET TO IMPROVE FAST REALLYYYYYYY FAST
DO PICREL EVERY DAY FOR 7-10HR FOR ONE FUCKING MONTH
Just DON'T BURN OUT YOURSELF in the process :))))

>>6182008
>looks to the tens of thousands of artists that got good just by drawing things they like
can u imagine.......

>>6182008
The fuck are those squiggly lines, kanji right?

>>6182012
>Fastest Way to Improve
you want to improve fast, right?
Here a quick test
copy picrel, you one have one chance, easy right? am sure you can copy a SIMPLE FUCKING SHAPE :)

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>>6182023
GMI or NGMI?

>>6182031
>picrel
this what i am talking about, if you cant even copy a fucking line, What makes you think you can improve?
this the sad true

im ngmi

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>>6157547
Picrel is what happens if you can't copy 1:1

>>6182037
they will get better at copying line

>>6182023
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>>6182101
imagine drawing 632 chink scribbles instead of copying your favorite artist. just another reason why /asg/tards never improve.

i chose two since i just really like one particular thing from Sinix.

and yes, i have westoids as role models.

>>6182191
>that brain wash
this is what /ic/ does to a mf

>>6182195
i'm new here so i don't see how this place would affect me lol. You believe i was brainwashed on what? I am asking genuinely.

>>6165664
what's the name of the artist role model here? I like it

isnt this "improvement method" is just how you would regularly make original work?

>>6182181
check the archives retard, people got really good after doing krenz accuracy exerciste and they left this shithole.
pyw and prove that iam wrong :)

>>6182204
@jpmaruroku
>>6182101
dont forget to sleep

>>6182181
>copying your favorite artist
>just another reason why /asg/tards never improve.
>picrel
>Copy anime references
Self owned LOL

>>6182008
that's cool but why not just do bargue plates?

>>6182211
well yes but some people don't have a proper end goal or aren't good at self critique and they end up not improving. This method is meant to help those people

>>6182356
>why not just do bargue plates?
good point
picrel is gonna take at least 25-30 min if you a beg or pre-int, too many lines and you can only get feedback every 20-30 min, menwhile the "grasping method" only takes 5-10 min, the more you do the faster get.
You can only improve with feedback, thats why the "grasping method" is more effective and almost instant feedback.
>>6182037
this guy cant even copy a fucking line, imagine trying picrel...
>IC: bargues are boring

>you must copy line 1:1 or you not gonna make it

>>6182375
he is right tho, if you can copy the most simple thing in the word, trying to copy something more complex is literally
setting up to fail.

>>6182377
cant*

Can I make my model a manga panel

>>6182367
this is unironically easier than >>6182023

>>6181680
ftfy

>>6181680
This guy is showing off his color theory too much

>>6182490
LOL
YEAH SURE...

>>6182490
practice triangulation
trust me, you do get better at it

>>6182191
stick to one artist dude

>>6182101
any ideas on how to improve?
like properly copy it without relying on tracing?

>>6156290
>Naoki Sato's Fastest Way to Improve >Anonymous 07/11/22
>16 days ago
and yet, noone upload screenshot or something about his progress, yep another thread full of ngmis...

>>6182716
>tracing
what?
if you are talking about skip step 3, you would need to have a really strong observation skills..

>>6182719
OP here. I spent 16 days and came up with another idea. I'll combine naoki saito and krenz and peter Han and make you of them.

You can keep laughing while I'm going to make it with the combination of three.

>>6182763
*use

>>6182763
Op, I...

>>6182719
Just finished my first round today, no I will not pmw

>>6182763
YOOO Nice
dont mind if do a quick study :0
>>6182800
kek
ok keep coping

>>6182650
well, i'll take james then.

>>6182800
then why say anything

>>6182008
Okay where can I get this autistic lesson, I'm autistic too so that should help.

>>6156290
This is for people who already know fundies. Go grind more if you are not. You'll be wasting your 3 months

>>6184509
But it's not even possiBRU to grind fundies

>grind fundies

>>6184534
Yeah that's the point pfnthis method anon, instead of just drilling one thing mindlessly you do a bunch of copy projects with your muse as a guide, much like a carpenter apprentices to a master.

bumo

pray for me bros..

>>6185954
His general art demeanor is cringe. Especially when they dance.

>OP
>18 days ago
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>>6185954
anon, show me your progress, you are improving, right?
dont tell me you thought just because you did a "Role Model", you would instantly improve.

>>6185963
what the fuck are you talking about

>>6184534
this person doesn't understand the point of the "boring exercises". You shouldn't take advice by people who dis on time tested exercises especially if they aren't posting their work
people trying to improve aren't painting bowls of fruits because they find them so fascinating, they are painting them to understand light and color
drawing your favorite pokemon and sports teams logos are literally not the same as doing that

that is unless you are painting simple pokemon figures or something similar as your reference
Krenz really cracked the code and its surprising no one did it before, he's gotten autistic weebs to finally embrace doing sight size and instead of doing Bargue Plates, they're just using cartoons

>>6186154
>Krenz really cracked the code
Too bad all his shit is in moonrunes

>>6186191
>Krenz really cracked the code
Too bad all his shit is in moonrunes (clicked wrong anon)

I'm glad to see this guy's face on /ic/. I didn't know he was popular. I found out about him because, by sheer coincidence, one of my favorite Pokemon cards was illustrated by him.

>>6186207
he doesn't know kek

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>>6186221
Give sauce.

>>6186226
why?
just use the saito method lol

>>6186207
did you read anything i wrote? krenz just teaches fundies

>>6186250
nta
is it a better alternative to KtD? fundies wise?

>>6186324
its not the same

>>6188261
what about as a material that i can use after finishing studying observational drawing?

Did anyone try the "just draw" method? Any opinions?

>>6188360
yes
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>>6188362
Depressed retards dont count

>>6188360
define "just draw" lmao

>>6176438
Beginners always have obvious mistakes so if you can't see what's wrong with your image better try another thing because you are lying to yourself or your eyes are fckn wrong.

>>6188360
aka "im too stupid for fundies"

>>6188540
that's not what "just draw" is about

>>6188544
you don't even know what it's about
LMAO

>>6188562
Keep copying chink lines then I'm sure you'll improve

Clueless as expected LMAO

>>6156290
>1eUd8ewey4/gitgud_at_illustration_guide_for_anons_pdf

where can i find the moon rune original?

>>6189274
I think it's on eh. I have a nip copy that I am positive I DL'd from there.

>>6165856
I theorize that it could work but only if you use more simplistic art as goal, but if you try it with complex fully rendered artworks you'll just do a depression speedrun.

>>6165666
I was thinking of Mignon at first
But then I kinda prefer a different artist with sharper shading shapes and more gradations and less soft shading. I guess. There's a lot of chink artist I've never heard of before that could put FreeStyle/MiraiArt/Sakimichan to shame in terms of quality. I wonder if the pinup anime waifu market is already saturated with these people...

>>6156290

Saito's method works.
https://twitter.com/otenntosama176/status/1553644289174867975

no

>>6190924
>https://twitter.com/otenntosama176/status/1553644289174867975
i dont understand chinkanese

>>6182101
I genuinely don't understand the point of trying to copy a reference from looking at it. It makes sense when doing traditional art, but what the fuck is the point with digital where you can just add a layer and draw directly over something?

>>6192092
anon...

Chose Kim Jung Gi for his more stylized/cartoony figures (not interested in the large murals for now)

>>6192251
This is my "Day 1 level" w/o reference. I tried to make it look like a page from his sketchbook lol

>>6192253
Comparison

>>6192278
looks good, good luck with getting closer to his style!

this is it bros, thread will die soon see you in three month
>>6190924
shit I had been looking for this tag
#画力変化ビフォーアフター