/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Am I doing it right bague bros

Looking over a better old artist's interpretation of the, "Shield of Achilles".
Learning a bit already through my mistakes, hope to soon do my own interpretation when I reread the text.

>>6137655
Looks okay besides the upper lid being off, the center eye needing to be corrected and then the starting curve of that upper cheek bone I think should be angled differently. Oh also I think the distance from said eye and the bridge of the nose I think it's called? Where you drew the line through is too far forward, throwing off the rest of his face?

The point is to copy the proportions exactly right? What do I know though.

How did I do it?
I copied a drawing from a book.

>>6137637
Starting to get decent waves, but it’s still pretty rough.

>>6137647
anorexic arms, bad anatomy, no gesture
read loomis and stop with animeme

Nicotine makes you sharper, but I've forgot if Pikachu has whiskers or not.

>>6137647
Well done on the girl.
Nice male hands on the side.
>>6137714
Proportions are all over the place.
>>6137722
Really nice, but needs contrasting between the sky and water as they blend too much.
I'd change the value but not the saturation here to preserve the nice composition.

>>6137736
But mangaka use loomis too

>>6137768
yes but that doesn't mean low begs should begin with anime, because then they will complain that they are permabegs

>>6137768
Yes, that's why you should start with loomis

>>6137637

>>6137804
Cute flamingo.

>>6137637
While I've gotten decent at circles and ellipses, I'm still struggling to draw straight lines freehand, especially at different angles. My cubes/boxes regularly have non-straight lines, even when I ghost limes.
Beyond just constantly grinding, is there anything else I should do for improvement? I'm currently using overhand grip, A4 paper and a drawing board. I know rotating the page to get the most comfortable angle helps, but I want to get used to not relying on that.

>>6137768
>>6137774
>>6137778
Okay that's it, I'm downloading Loomis heads right fucking now.

>>6137831
Depends on how bad we're talking, but at a certain point you want to stop grinding straight lines because just drawing in general while your improve other skills will still improve your hand eye coordination

got Loomis' books /beg/bros
I'm starting to read them but how exactly do I study them?

>>6137852
copy all the drawings in them(all of them)
reread everything, redraw everything also if you want.
Reading it one time and drawing it one time probably wont do anything. Rereading is important when learning from a book

>>6137852
>reading
lol

>>6137858
ngmi
>>6137856
gmi

How do I stop chicken scratching is it tied to my lack of neuroplasticity?

ive read the first couple chapters of vilppus manual and rewatched part 1 of his lecture series and i still dont understand how to draw like he is. Is it just up to practice or do I need to study it more?

Was for the monster girls thread. Thoughts?

I decided to draw something completely from imagination to compare the progress later and it's uhh
Back to learning to copy. Maybe one day I'll be able to copy an angled line accurately without needing to check it multiple times

>>6137943
Looks ai generated

>>6137943
Maybe practice imagining scenes/forms with your mind’s eye.

>>6137980
i love you

Happy swimmy boi in the race of his life

>>6137938
nice job, love the shading on it

>>6137760
Ay thanks, I'll play around with the bg layer till it looks nicer. Epic degenerate Pikachu kek.

>>6137986
Anon that's fucking sick, awesome design and painting style.

>>6137831
If you actually need perfectly straight lines (like for architecture/design/&c) just use a ruler.
>I want to get used to not relying on that
Why agonize over a skill that won't help you improve your art at all? Just rotate the page lol. Nobody will see you rotating the page or not, you don't get extra points for things no one sees.

thank god im not aroused by naked women or else i would be masturbating 24/7 looking at all these reference photos

>>6138018
Don't really get it despite being married, like just don't do it?

Make it sound like some Herculean task when drawing seems harder as a base.

anything very wrong?

>>6138069
Dumb trannime poster

>>6138069
No, I really like it

>>6138016
If he wants to challenge himself it seems worth the effort, I'd like to do the same without Relying on a ruler.

As long as he improves

>>6137573
Thanks for your input, I will work on it.
>>6137804
kek
>>6137906
very nice
>>6137938
have to second anon, I like the shading and the feet a lot.
>>6137986
real nice

have some pigs.

I've been watching ms paint tutorials on Youtube and I'm going to try it despite my primitive resources. I this supposed to be taking this long? Pic related was an hour's worth of time.

>>6138113
Dumb trannime poster

>>6138113
>the LONG ARM of the LAW
Why not just draw on paper?

>>6138143
Harry Potter?

>>6138148
I did at first.

>>6138151
Ohhh, I see sorry I'm retarded. I would assume painting in MS paint would be fairly time consuming unless the fill tool can detect your lines

>>6138160
It is taking a while since I'm using a mouse as opposed to any digital writing tool

>>6138016
>Why agonize over a skill that won't help you improve your art at all? Just rotate the page lol.
I want to get used to working with a drawing board because it's much better for drawing subjects from reference.
Rotating the page on a board is not practical.

Trying to capture René Magritte's surrealism in Aubrey Beardsley's pen and ink style.

>>6138167
WHY THE FUCK IS IT ROTATED

Whats a good brush to use for coloring on CSP?

>>6138183
"refer other layers" under paint bucket
g-pen/turnip pen (slightly different flavours of hard round) for solid fills that the paint bucket doesn't work well for (tiny colour regions, lines that are really close to each other, stray pixels, regions within the same outline that need a different colour, etc)
soft or noise (both under airbrushes) for smooth shading (don't make ALL your shading smooth or it'll look muddy and ugly)
hard and soft eraser for manipulating edges on highlight and shadow layers

if you want textured brushes look for watercolour brushes or whatever but that's your taste bro

>>6138192
thanks bro

>>6138192
Is the blending tool in CSP good? Should I just use the soft eraser for gradation?

Time to induce cringe on everyone, get post processed anons kek

>>6138212
idk, I don't use it much personally. I've heard people both say that it's good and say that it's not so I suspect it's just different from the two main programs from which people switch to CSP, Photoshop and Krita. There will always be people who can't stand anything different from what they're used to (which is understandable when you have a workflow).

Big disadvantage of using soft rounds and soft round erasers is that to get variable gradient width you need to manipulate the brush size, either separating your strokes or tying size to pressure (which can be awkward if you're already using pressure for density). The rare cases where that becomes a problem for me are the only times I use blend or blur. But of course a lot of people find it easier to control where their shadows go with just hard round and blending (and psychopaths use hard round with pressure opacity to shade).

>>6138214
Nothing wrong with post processing but I hate chromab. What noise filter you use? I keep forgetting I want to start use noise because it seems like normies respond a lot better to even shitty art that has it for some reason.

How do I improve my lines bros? I'm so used to chicken scratch and drawing thick lines so I can see wtf I'm doing

>>6138228
Personally I just use a sheet of paper and of course shoulder necessary for the longest lines draw a bunch of them. Varying the line weight for what you want to achieve/emphasis, less reliance on thick lines since you're aware of that habit and want to change it.

Common exercises are the ghosting method, the 2 points thing, probably some others but I don't know enough about it but I know there's books on the subject both trad(ink, graphite for sure and paint probably) plus computer art.

Take it seriously though, otherwise you'll get bad habits. My lines have a fucking curve to them that got built in because of bad practice and I have to retrain them.

Think about permanence/confidence and chicken scratches not being conductive to say stable forms(headcanon) but you can use it in certain parts of your work for varied lines? a better artist could explain that part.

Besides that opinion can't help you.

>>6138228
Draw bigger. Seriously. Get an oversized sketch pad. Make your compositions larger.

>>6138223
Uhh just one of the basic ones in procreate, ridges I think. I’d just cycle through all the ones whichever your program has though, one of them is bound to be decent kek

Chromab is definitely a taste thing, felt like it fit the picture though, very nostalgic look with the desaturated colors (do a bit of photography so it tickles that part of my brain). First time doing post on 2d so I’ll probably cool it like I did in blender, but yea, fun!

How do I draw hair, nipples and abs? I know that the pic has tons of issues, but those are the ones that I would like to solve first.

>>6137637
is the OP supposed to be /beg/ tier or inspo for begs? cause i bet if you showed that to any random joe shmo they'd think its really good, but if you told them "yeah this is beginner tier art" they'd give you a look

>>6138304
The thread is now "beg and int". It's basically a case of "as long as you're not pro and trying to improve, you can post here for crit".

>>6138300
use ref

>>6138300
Do studies. Also this would be a nice loli if she didn't have tits.

>>6138312
>if she didn't have tits.
anon those are like a cups.

>>6135764
Nope, I am not pink anon. Need to do my other 3 apples for homework tonight though.

>>6138300
Are all trannime posters pedophiles?

>>6138319
Even like eight year olds can have chest bumps but those are sagging and ruin the loli aesthetic. Size isn't the only factor.

What do you think of Brent Eviston's advice that you should always start off drawing very light lines with a pencil? Like for drawing a straight line: you should lightly draw it back and forth with no single line being perfectly accurate, but all of them together ultimately form a straight line.

Or is it better to do it the draw-a-box way of constantly practicing with a fineliner until you get it right?

>>6138332
>Even like eight year olds can have chest bumps
Please, do tell us more about children's breasts anon.

>>6138353
Both work I feel, you'll usually use a mix of the two depending on how things are going with your drawing?

That's just me, "no rules just tools." as a favourite of /ic/ says, though this isn't an excuse to be absolute shit.

study from a photo of anya taylor-joy. I tried to fix a few things other than the eyes because I don't know how to do that without destroying her expression just yet.
Also not sure whether or how to attempt to draw clothing over the shoulders..

Learning how to draw blood. Think it came out looking good

>>6138374
sorry about the img size it's a wip and I forgot to shrink the output

>>6138374
I thought maybe you were just using a scary looking tranny as reference but I looked her up and she looks nothing like that. At this stage maybe you should be studying purely from values until you have good control over value and shape as well as better accuracy when studying, especially since you're not sure how to fix things without changing her expression; if you accurately reproduced the photo obviously that wouldn't even be a concern.

>>6138377
Looks like ketchup. Blood is a bit darker and bluer. Also liquid on a surface doesn't shine like a pool of liquid sitting on a table would; it coats the surface and shines as that surface would if glossy. I know that may be hard to parse so here's a sloppy drawover to show you what I mean. That said, blood (as in gore, which has a slightly "rough" surface because it has minuscule chunks in it) isn't the glossiest liquid in the first place, and when thinly spread on a warm surface exposed to the air like skin it very quickly coagulates in parts, turning darker, a little browner and flaking off. It can be difficult to find non-legally-dubious reference for blood on skin of course, but maybe the next time you get a nosebleed or something let some drip on the back of your hand and study that.

>>6138374
La criatura

>>6138310
I guess I'll have to do that.
>>6138312
I like this body type
>>6138324
only about 75%, the rest are (mostly) good people

>>6138392
>kek
here is the reference anon, I know I'm no genius but you don't have to be cruel, this is /beg

>>6138332
God I fucking hate pedophiles.

>>6138324
>tranime
are all anime haters election tourists?

Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 19

Women's heads, based on real actors. Didn't turn out too well because it's tough for me to capture a person's likeness even when not tired from work, but there's always tomorrow.

>>6138377
Way too light. Looks like cherry syrup or something

>>6138418
I wasn't being cruel, I was being honest.

Started painting from a Zaku Gunpla

Thoughts on my "art"?

Does anyone know if PayPal shows my address/where I live if someone sends me money

>>6138512
Decent composition, not sure about the point of the subject, design is kind of myopic and brush control looks sloppy (works for drapery, weird for the feet). The reflection in the sphere doesn't seem to actually match what it's reflecting. Rod thing next to the figure is funny because I was just thumbnailing and did something similar with a magic staff following its owner. Why the scare quotes on "art"? Is it AI generated? It would explain some of the weirdness like the bent feet and wrong reflection I guess.

>>6138519
yeah it's generated, and I don't really know how to cope with the fact that drawing as a skill is going to be completely useless very soon :(

>>6138523
The fact that I could tell it's AI-generated is exactly why you shouldn't be worried. I didn't want to say "looks AI-generated" outright in case, I dunno, you suffered from terrible hand tremors or something, but it doesn't look made by human hands, and the design certainly doesn't look made by a human mind. It does look like something a human could polish up into something really cool-looking, though, for what that's worth. It looks great in thumbnail, the "hard" part of lighting is taken care of and there's plenty there to INSPIRE a design- Replace the random lines on the chest with kanji, sort out the control panel thing, fix the reflection, etc.

Also if you're who I think you are almost all the AI-generated stuff you've posted has had very similar composition, so while it's good composition, if that were all you ever output it would definitely get old. Colour choice is where the AI really excels and that's the way I'd be most likely to use this kind of thing- Give it some mood-evoking description, then just ignore the image it outputs and use a colour picker on it because colour gamuts can be a pain to use in a highly deliberate way anyway and you're not plagiarising if an AI made it.

I have seen some really cool AI art but it wasn't really AI-generated, it was stuff a skilled artist painted over, taking inspiration and composition from the AI output but effectively making a new painting on top of it. The current AI stuff is not much better than the AI stuff from five years ago, though it has certainly gotten better marketing lately.

>>6137943
I tried my best...

>hobby outdated
>also Ignoring the practical applications of manual drafting for literally everything
not sending their best.

>>6138523
Always has been

What could I do to make this better? I don't feel like it's complete, yet I don't feel like there's anything left for me to add.
Is it a composition issue or something?

>>6138545
Don't even have to go into technical drawing to see why the lack of intention is a problem with AI art. Giving an AI a prompt when there's a specific idea you want illustrated is like looking for an image source via Google and getting the "visually similar images." Have those ever given you anything even vaguely close to what you actually wanted, or just things with vaguely similar shapes and colours? Because it's always been the latter for me.

>>6138554
Yeah I agree on that, just seems like advertising.

I'm a /beg/ whose starting with "Keys to Drawing."
Making large drawings are a bit taxing to me, so I decided to confine my drawings to a small box so that they're easier to manage, like 3x3. Does anyone else do this?

>>6138549
The gesture and form of the hand isn't defined enough, but other than that, I think you're right that there isn't anything else to add. The composition is fine to me and it looks very nice. If you wanted to convey more through the painting, you'd probably have to make bigger changes.

>>6138143
>If you can recognize the character, it's on model.

>>6138549
Fingers look like sausage links and don't retain a solid shape throughout. /beg/s sometimes get told to think about the finger in segments so they don't draw them like bananas but at the same time you should remember there are strings running through the fingers so unless someone "double-jointed" is intentionally bending their finger slightly out of position, they aren't going to bend back and forth, they're all going to bend in the same direction.

I redlined it and used airbrush/eraser/lasso to adjust things but I'd recommend you do hand studies.

>>6138549
>>6138565
Also I didn't touch the seams even though they're what makes the fingers look like sausage links, just fyi. The noise makes it hard to make corrections that don't look like ass which is why I just scribbled with an airbrush too. But I'd also note that it seems like you did the pose with your own hand and tried to draw it, because there'd be a bigger gap between the index finger and middle finger, just not as big as you had it, and the index finger would be foreshortened; however, doing the pose myself, I only see the first two bone segments of my hand and a tiny bit of the last when doing the pose, but you drew all three about equal size.

>>6138557
that's fine for now, just keep in mind to spread out as you learn more

>>6138569
Thanks I'll look into doing hand studies, you were right on me taking a picture and trying to copy it. The picture I took was in flat lighting so I was trying to define where I thought the finger pads would be and it looks like I went a little too far.
Thanks for the feedback.

i'm transitioning from traditional to digital
which is i'm planning to do anyway once i've been introduced to the fundies
but any exercises or guides that i can, since you can't use an overhand grip with your stylus

>>6138655
guide that i can use*

>>6138655
>since you can't use an overhand grip with your stylus
you can, depending on the stylus and how far you're willing to angle it up. Some tablets have native support for it and treat it like a pencil so if your brush also supports it tilting acts like tilting a pencil.

man, lineart takes forever holy shit.

>>6138672
it gets better, just practice cunnychad

>>6138665
i see thanks for the reply but currently, i only have a non-screen tablet and cant use the overhand grip

>>6138458
I know what you really think about yourself, it's ok

>>6138523
Shut the fuck up you fucking pathetic faggot. You and your pathetic fear keep shitting on this board with your baits to justify yourself is fucking worse than all the shitpost out there combined. If you don't want to draw that much then just go jump off a bridge and rid this world of a mega faggot

>>6138679
Based

>>6138678
Dunno what schizo shit you're talking about, but I gave you pointed constructive advice. If you don't want to take it feel free to remain a beginner forever.

I want simple, yet not shitty-looking rendering. How to do it?

Read a book

>>6138722
Studies. What you probably want is the cel shading style, entirely or almost entirely hard-edged shadows like in cartoons/anime. You'll still have to learn about lighting and form but the actual execution is fairly easy.

>>6138679
based beyond belief

Kimono study

>>6138679
Based and gmi

>Tranime
Can you stop posting this schizo?
Anime is a valid and aesthetic art style with a rich history.

Besides anime doesn't turn you into a troon, thats caused by isolation and sexual abuse as a child, like all homosexuality and sexual deviation.

>>6138512
This is my new phone background now, damn it must feel bad to be a paintfag in 2022

>>6138500
Sick

>>6137637
How bad is my anatomy?

>>6138949
P.S.I didn't use any reference

>>6138949
>>6138951
Really good.

>>6138949
it's ok, but the hip-form is a bit flat and thighs too short

>>6138949
It looks good, but the perspective is fucked.

>>6137906
I think you have to accept that you’ll draw more shittily for a while trying to make smooth lines

>>6138069
Right hand looks like a mitten, chin too sharp. Pretty cute though

>>6138949
shrimpy legs

When going from traditional to digital, how did you guys get used to it? I'm really struggling with transferring my skills, and my line work and general anatomy feels like its regressed months

>>6139023
reference, also wow thats a bigger image than i thought

I've literally just started reading through the "Keys to drawing" books and I did the first project as told by the book.
As sketchy as this looks it was pretty nice drawing this and I'll probably drop my next project drawing next once I've done it.

>>6138921
Dumb trannime poster

>>6139023
>>6139026
not bad. I think the biggest thing people get stuck on (or I did) was figuring out how to 'transfer' being able to rough sketch with a pencil > making concise lines. If you don't have a pressure setting on your tablet you can try use the brush settings to change the tip size by velocity or something and I found that to kinda work for me (my advice is begtier though)

then what I might suggest is to try to set rules for yourself to get more 'feeling' out of your lines

i.e.look up line weight vs no line weight

>>6139067
thanks, ill have alook into that

>>6139023
Another sad victim of the hard round meme

>>6139023
That's normal. I just kept practicing. It took several months before I felt like drawing digitally was "normal." Some people say it only takes a couple of weeks to adjust but I've noticed those tend to be people who are pretty beginner with traditional still before they switch, so I guess they don't have as much skill to catch back up on. As for why drawing on a computer makes you suddenly retarded and bad at fundies, I have no idea but it seems to happen to almost everyone who switches.

>>6138679
Cope, computers used to be multi million dollar machines that filled entire rooms, nowadays virtually everyone carries one in their pocket. Max a decade, and all creative work will be done mostly by computers.

>>6139169
>technology has improved in the past therefore all my schizophrenic dreams WILL become reality just because
Unironic mental illness

>>6139169
>all creative work will be done mostly by computers.

drew this, what do you think?

>>6137986
Made me smile. Peak soul, nice job.

>>6139169
computers are dumb, do you honestly expect it can translate a client's words to bits and spout out "creativity"?

/3/ fag here who wants to get into character creation.
What can I follow (book/course/whatever) that'll help me draw some character designs. I can draw a little bit but my main problem is the following: I can draw very aesthetic characters from the front but can't do shit if I want to pose them, change the angle they're drawn in. I can't even make them look similar to their front version.
So I guess I'd need to learn to draw the human body in its most basic shapes and draw them in every angle possible. What resources can guide me trough this?

>>6139169
Yeah, and AI has gone from 0.0001% of human mental capacity to 0.0002% of human mental capacity in just 71 years! If it keeps doubling at this rate, mankind will be obsolete in another 860 years!Why should anyone alive today even bother learning art when their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren will be outclassed at art by a machine?

>>6139197
boxes

>>6139189
I like the rich tones and not knowing anything about runes the simple aesthetic of it contrasted with the modernish military group.

Not a fan of the varied colour(just my autism) but there's undeniable contrast from the dark tone of everything else and I'm sure others like that in general, probably tied to the life rune meaning itself.

Obviously inspired by the German national socialist party that was at a time investigating aryan mysticism on the side and those modern vaporwave memes for the colours right?

Either way again, I like it for what I interpret.

Personally I have to chicken scratch because the surface of my small Intuos forces me to only do short strokes because of the surface area.

>>6139240
My nigga bought the one centimeter intuos... Damn.

>>6139194
Honestly, probably yeah.
My reasoning is the following, I used to make a lot of DnD stories on my own with some friends. We had whole worlds, religions, towns, races.. etc
One day I got introduced to someone elses Fanfic world that is well known in the fandom, and I was shocked to find how many similarities there were in both of our creations despite having zero contact with each other.
It became obvious that the same patterns I had seen from media, where also the same patterns someone else had picked up thus ending up in similar outputs.

There is nothing really ''creative'' about these thoughts, it just feels that way. In reality, its all processed and refined slur from different content that our society as a whole has likely experienced already
There is only so many ways to skin a cat..

I'm better than you and your friend.

>>6138729
Thanks for the answer.

>>6139215
Thanks man!
Yeah picked the colors from the Black Magic SS album Rainbow Nights so was going for psycchedlic colors.
The dudes are from a reference so it's not really original but whatever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlfzD-NLKXQ

>>6139249
How did you get "AI will be able to display the same creative faculty as a human being" from "I'm a sheltered nerd with narrow horizons whose generic setting for a game with most of the setting baked-in was similar to another nerd with narrow horizon's generic setting"?

>>6139249
AI won't be able to create the image I have in my head ever. It can make an approximation based off a written description, but as already explained by someone else
>Giving an AI a prompt when there's a specific idea you want illustrated is like looking for an image source via Google and getting the "visually similar images."

I can say I want the ai to create an elf archer in a tree, but there are an infinite number of ways to portray that.

AI might be useful for a company that doesn't really give a fuck about the art itself and just wants to make an illustration quickly, like if a coffee shop wants a drawing of a girl on her laptop in a cafe and they don't really care about the exact composition of it, but it will be useless for making actual art.

>>6137980
Asagifag I didn't know you liked megaman battle network, I will save this

>>6139308
Most artists are working for someone who wants the result, living off as an artist will become harder. You'll always be able to do art as a hobby and this won't ever change as long as you can get you hands on art supplies

>>111395503
Crossposting since I am really curious, I have already given up in the idea of drawfagging, I am getting nowhere with this.
(10+ years and counting wasted with something that only asians are capable of doing)

>>6139326
you'll always be able to do art as a career as well. Any client that wants something specific will still have to hire an artist.

>>6138428
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 20

Time to attach the head to a body, here's a few quick sketches.

>>6139334
good job retard
not surprised someone this retarded is also incapable of learning something after doing it for 10 years.

>>6139337
Based and true.

>>6139336
Nice, farther than I've gotten so far.

>>6139337
>good job retard
what did I do wrong this time?

>>6139342
>>111395503
>Crossposting

>>6139344
Ah ok I don't want to get banned for it.
Sorry won't do it next time

>>6139335
And any client that is ok with something more generic won't, artists will lose that marketplace. Today there is 10 jobs for artists, there are 13 artists, 3 unemployed tomorrow it will be 5 unemployed because 2 of the jobs an AI can fill in comfortably

>all mangaka have learned from Loomis
>starter reading and the intro is about how lucky we are for having vastly different faces
lol?

>>6139353
Bruh just be the top 3% in skill, lmao

My drawing massively improves after each study, it's amazing how fast I'm progressing

>>6139362
>nothing to show
yawn ngmi shitter

>>6139354
If this is some joke about Asians all looking like the same I should let you know that people perceive facial differences in people of their own race much better than they do with people from other races

(1/3)
It is the first time that I post here, I will place 3 images.
i used to draw (not good at all) as a teenager, i stopped drawing for idk 8 years?, and i started last year again. I know what is said about that after a while you have the feeling that you get worse because you notice more what is "wrong". but I genuinely have the feeling that my work has gotten worse.
the images here are from late 2021 and early 2022.

>>6139374
(2/3)
These are from the last few weeks. I'm not sure why, but I find the earlier drawings, I don't know, more pleasing to the eye.

>>6139373
Pretty sure it's more of a comment that outside of a few mangaka, most anime drawers use the same face until they get good.

Don't get your connection to real people since he specifically mentioned manga artists.

>>6139377
(3/3)
For the last, I usually do mostly sketches, very few finished or more elaborate works, I have the stupid idea of doing finished works when I master the basics. this is the last "finished" job. I don't know anything about shading, could you give me some advice? where to start paying attention?, where can I learn about shading?. thanks in advance for the reply.

how tricky is to work with tempera?

>>6139368
I can smell your jealousy from here

>>6139169
You know once that happens, everything you wanted drawn can be generated instantly. No longer would you have to scour the internet looking for cool art, shows, or video games, having to trust random anons' opinions on what to see next, you can just have the perfect media catered to you in your living room. You no longer have to follow artists or media companies that you'd probably complain about anyway. Hell you could have the perfect image board generated for you to browse without any shitposting so you don't have to go on 4chan. Is it really going to be all bad?

>>6139374
>>6139377
>>6139380
Yeah you're obviously a bit rusty comparing your past works which I think are pretty decent.

Hope you get good advice because you're way better than me and I know nothing about what you want help with.

Only advice I can give you is too go look in the catalogue, either the video guides general or the book resource general.

There's good stuff in there if you're willing to look, should help you with your shading desires.

>>6139353
Guess you just have to get good then.

>>6139249
>My reasoning is the following, I used to make a lot of DnD stories on my own with some friends. We had whole worlds, religions, towns, races.. etc
>One day I got introduced to someone elses Fanfic world that is well known in the fandom, and I was shocked to find how many similarities there were in both of our creations despite having zero contact with each other.
You have never done anything actually creative in your life, go write a string quartet or do a master study of a painting or read a paragraph from Moby Dick and you'll realize why your paint by numbers shit was no were near creative and why artificial """"intelligence"""" is pure smoke in mirrors.

please do critique my work

>>6139419
1000 hours spent on the body
1 hour spent on the face

>>6139396
thanks for the words, Anon, i'll take a look those book threads.

>>6139417
basically this
AI is purely just a tool, it can help automate things but it cant become sentient nor become creative because at the end of the day it is just pure code made by humans powered by a bunch of processors and without code/programming, computers are just dumb as hell

>>6139431
>1 hour spent on the face
more like 5min max, its just a square with eyes hair and ears

>>6139441
>computers are just dumb as hell
anyone who doesnt think computers are dumb af never learned to actually program and the dumbasses doomposting have no idea about the technical side of these AI tools its so fucking dumb

the moment AI is good enough to be creative by itself like a human to the point it creates artwork like one, well, when that happens losing jobs in the art industry is gonna be the least of peoples or even society's worries

>>6139449
A program running a few if-statements probably could outsmart most 4chedditors

>>6139449
True, before I started learning art for fun I learned a bunch of other things earlier including programming and worked at it for most of my youth.

There really hasn't been that much true advancement and it's mostly just shilling to get more dump money to keep the gift going.

human made art = soul
ai made art = soulless
this is why art jobs will be safe from AI

>>6139458
grift*
oof

>>6139373
Mangaka don't draw Asian people in their works.
But not its not a racial joke, I'm just baffled how the all do the sameface for women, children and men under 40 despite supposedly reading loomis.

>>6137985
oh god oh fuck

>>6138211
lower legs are so goddamn long. that pose and proportions are from that one instagram dude's book aren't they

>>6139334
what exactly is the point of this post

>>6138005
>>6138109
>>6139193
Thanks anons, this made me crank out an hour of extra rendering. Here’s a new version

>>6139458
>it's mostly just shilling to get more dump money to keep the gift going.
mass shilling to bait big investors then run away with the money, nothing new

>>6139578
not a style of art part i particularly like, but i do enjoy how your stuff looks like trad pastels, gives it a pretty chill vibe

>>6139473
what kind of schizo babble is this image?
never seen more cherry picked retardation before in my life

>>6139416
Not worth it, you'll be drawing game props or coom shit all day everyday. Art as a job is laughable compared to blue color where all you need is good physique and some 6 month course

I can do everything though because I'm better than (you) specifically.

>>6139609
Its a coping chud image

>>6139539
Are they really too long? I could be wrong but I thought leg proportions were half the size of the body below the hips and down

>>6139639
tacobitch

>>6139609
I don't think he's not wrong. Asians have monolids, making their eyes slanted, most anime styles rely on a double eyelid aesthetic.

>read loomis
>it's all pseudoscience shit
lol, thank good it's a free pdf

>>6139653
that retarded shit goes a lot more in depth than just eyes, and cherry picks some of the ugliest asian girls I've ever seen. It's overly complicating something extremely simple. People draw things to fit their culture's beauty standards. That's it.

>>6139631
Go get your meds, you forgot them

>>6139661
What's a good example of the beauty standard for western culture?

>>6139665
open pornhub with a vpn

>>6139665
>AWOOOGA BIG BOOBERWOOBERS HUMMINAHUMMINA IS THAT A BIG FATTYWATTY DUMPYDUMPTRUCK???!! I BET SHE CAN SHIT OUTTA THAT THING AWWWOOOOGA

>>6139665

>>6139673
he said western, not nigger/coomer "standards".
It's also a discussion about facial characteristics.

>take a break from digital and draw a bit trad
>a line is a tad bit too long
>double tap the paper to go back one stroke
not sure if retarded, gmi or both

>>6139665
Fat. Unironically

>>6139336
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 21

Copied the neck angles as best as I could, and tried to draw an actual face over the outlines, but man this one got away from me.

>>6139696
wrong. healthy bodies are and likely always will be the western beauty standard. Just because you have hamplanets that want to force fat acceptance, doesn't mean that's our actual societal view. Most people are repulsed by things like Tess Holliday, but know they would be canceled for publicly expressing that.

This must have been asked a ton of times (a few ones in this thread only) but still.
I'm a guy who used to draw during classes in school but nothing more, ever. So I'd like to start drawing seriously on my spare time and I'm looking for some exerices I can grind for a few months every day to get some basics.
The only thing I used to do, is copy some characters from Mangas I used to read and got so used of drawing some of them that I ended being able to "mix" everything up and draw specific poses/faces/eyes from memory.
Now I'd like to picture a pose in my mind and draw original designs. I opened Krita today and did this from this mannequin I have on my desk.
Should I keep doing this? Anything else I can do an hour or two a day everyday before doing my own thing?

Still working on the, "shield of Achilles". There's just so many human figures and more that I kind of needed to do something else even if it comes out poorly.

Doing this thing I noticed so many mistakes as put in more detail, so structurely unsound that I had to make lots of bad quick fixes, was pretty fun.

I humbly bow to professional draftsman and their mathematics, the ones that don't cut corners in the bad way at least.

>>6139730
Yeah, but honestly I'd take a look at the sticky first for some basic refresher because you can only do so much alone even if you're at a decent base.

Find some new information that suits you and then apply it, there's lots of resources here on /ic/... While you also continue your own thing.

The sticky is there for a reason, but that's just me.

How do you stay zen? How do you draw for hours on end and not get frustrated?

>>6138683
Got some shading done and reworking the collar part

>decide to learn how to draw
>check the sticky
>try the picasso upside down meme
>can't go beyond three lines without feeling a rage build up only to release in the shape of hard scrawls on the paper
so how do I make it stop

>>6139825
take breaks, look at art you admire, drink water. Learning how to draw is not a race so you can take your time.

>>6139593
Thanks anon, appreciate the comment

>>6139852
This is sick dude

>>6139825
I shouldn't blog but I just like to learn everything.

Forensics, history/myth, basic engineering because I'm a brainlet and would need to put serious time into the specialist fields, programming, fitness, Human languages and some other practical stuff.

With the Internet there's so much knowledge available to everyone, it seems like a waste of time to just spend it wanking off consuming porn or playing a video game; not that video games are bad, I played a lot in my early years I just cut time of them drastically for more hobbies.

Drawing like writing is a very human experience and I neglected it in my youth in favour of writing which I've had success in, but still I never really considered art because I never liked the majority of people who obsessed over it in public.

Also I feel it's good to have another medium to express Truth/reason through should it come to it/I need another hobby that isn't just another language.

There's so much you could be doing, so why wouldn't you want to be the absolute best you could be in everything you can learn?

But I'm a pretty logical spock type guy, or so they tell me.

Probably unrelated but cut down on your bad diet and exercise more if you don't, I don't know.

And as another Anon said, it isn't a race even if you plan to make it your career. Look at yourself and think about what you're doing, why are you drawing in the first place?

I'm pretty bad at art at the moment, though kek.

>>6139849
>>6139857
Based replies

>>6139852
So you stretch out into monster hunter too eh, wild. Do you ever finish or just sketch around?

krita is fun to draw

>>6139637
>>6139661
Pure cope, asian people look nothing like people mangaka draw.

>>6139874
I kind of have the same assumption. Even Japanese seem to think anime looks more caucasian, look at the interviews they had about ghost in the shell over there.

>>6139665
Loomis

>>6139661
Do you think art can shape those cultural standards and preferences? What about having your country taken over after being having entire cities decimated in a world war, maybe the outside forces will influence the culture of the nation. It would be odd for a culture to glorify phenotypes that don’t exist in their gene pool.

>>6139353
>And any client that is ok with something more generic won't, artists will lose that marketplace
You can't lose what you don't have. Clients that want something more generic can already get it as cheaply as running a high-end AI (or cheaper, ie free).
>>6139346
Actually I change my mind, AI is already smarter than some humans. Damn.

>>6139653
>monolids
Doesn't mean what you think it means. Asian eyes are marked by having the epicanthal fold but most also have the "double lid" crease above the eye. The actual "double lid" is the small section in the corner of the eye under the fold of the eyelid, which asians and most anime characters lack.

>>6139665
Picrel for us crackers, >>6139678 for n*groids (not saying that woman is black either, but blacks also prefer pale-skinned girls in general; tan was popular in the 80s and 90s but is back out of vogue from what I've seen). Also east and west have both fetishised children and childlike features in women and girls since time immemorial, but it's currently unfashionable to admit it in the west, especially America, and so while the real beauty standards shown in celebrities and those known for their beautiful faces still reflect that, in our art and entertainment media there are loads of manfaces. "Feminine" traits and "juvenile" traits are practically synonymous, as mankind has bred neoteny into our women probably since the dawn of agriculture gave men options of who to fuck beyond their manfaced sisters who would stop being attractive around age 16. Many people when observing beauty standards make the mistake of looking at cultural trends in self-expression rather than at the kinds of people others rate highly in terms of beauty or that are known for their beauty; as such I've seen people doomposting that western beauty standards are drag queens with tattoos and piercings and shit, but I really think it's a tiny minority that finds those things attractive even though tattoos especially are becoming ubiquitous.

>>6139023
Here's a tip: draw traditional, scan drawing or take a photo of it, open in graphics editing software, do linework in new layer.

Is it worth taking an in-person painting class if I want to improve or should I just stick to youtube?

>>6139952
If this doesn't make you want to grab a pen/brush and fucking go at it after finishing the video, nothing will anon.

https://youtu.be/yyIOtN339q4

>>6139957
Wow that guy has some talent for sure. I haven’t tried gouache, I’ve been using acrylic so far.

>>6139975
Try to take a look at his blocking in, how his strokes have a loose and free quality, how he observes color, etc. Although the medium is different, the principles will be the same. You can do it anon.

A reversal of roles.

>>6139839
breaddy good

watermelon lives matter

I've "practicing" by copying monsters from Bosch's works.
The result is no good, but what I find weird is that I don't have much trouble copying them but it's even worse when I try with his human characters.

>>6139947
Not him but the results of this always look bad to me. Better to just adjust to digital.

>>6138069
do you have a twitter? i swear i just saw this on there

>>6139874
pure retardation, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and just instead cherry pick random asian girls instead of actually looking at facial construction.
No wonder you're such a shit artist.

>>6140034
>random asian girls

>>6139874
>>6139881
Why are westoids so retarded. Are you saying your examples are how the average westerners look like? Have you ever even get near anyone girl on the bottom left? How long has it been since you last crawled out of your basement? The average nips ain't pretty but at least if you want to compare at least pick the ones that actually look good/have a following like your western examples

>>6140054
they literally included a Brazilian girl in their examples. they're brainless.

cringe

How do I understand how squishy things like fat titties behave

How much space do I need for oil painting? I'd like to do it in my bedroom but I don't want to gas myself out, would it be enough to keep a window open while I'm painting, or is it going to get bad while it's drying?

have sex.
you walked into that, I'm not sorry.

I already did with your mother but she's flat as a board.

You must suck at foreplay then and never physically touched her because there's still mass on flatties.

Why would I give her foreplay? I pumped her and bounced, then 9 months later your ugly ass came out.

>>6140068
Try to find more space

Day 2 of working on my Zaku

>>6137804
this is the shit when i do when my brain goes nowhere when i'm drawing. I swear i can only imagine retarded shit like this instead of cool ass compositional drawings (i'm coping)

i love this weird art style of cruelty squad, anyone have any other genre's / influence for drawing references??

is shit like this salvagable?
I neglected to use lighting references and given the last 2 dumpster fires I posted on twitter I don't want my name associated with this.

Better to redo it or give up & move on?

>>6140111
Has the gunpla feel so far

>>6140132
Dumb trannime poster

>>6140132
I like it

>>6140111
are you the lad that did that fuel canister study? it's looking pretty neat so far

>>6140132
You're being too harsh on yourself anon, it looks okay, some of the brushwork is rough around the edges but in general it's fine

>when you realise you forgot about the 3rd layer of the shield and you don't have enough room without fixing the other wonky side of your shitty circle
>when you get fatigued even if it's fun with occasional mistakes in placement, features and scale.
Fellas... Time to take another break and start something else.

>>6140132
The problem with this work is that it isnt telling a story well enough. So to me it’s just a pretty girl standing there and that’s it. Utterly boring. Anyway you shouldn’t judge a work based on how many likes it gets on social media. I’ve seen beautiful landscape paintings getting only 20 likes on twitter because it’s not anime girls.

>>6140132
NOT BEG

Very first ever attempt at a full head with all details. Following Proko's Loomis videos on YouTube.

EVERYTHING about this is shit. I feel sick
>eyes are fucked up
>nose is wrong angle
>mouth in the wrong place
>7 or 8 head
>that fucking hair

Does raise get better the more I do it?

>>6140359
*does it get better

Fuck

>>6140359
Yes, be patient with yourself. As you start to produce more, only compare yourself to your own work. Don't compare yourself to others unless you're doing it to actively improve something. Faces are VERY difficult

>>6140359
you'll get there mate, we were all drawing like noobs once

>>6140359
Yea it'll get better.
If you've done 100 of these and you swtill suck then you might want to think wtf happend here, that one isn't even that bad imo.
What it's all about is shape relations and proportions, try and simplify the face into shapes that you seewithout too much detail and get the shape relations down so that it kinda looks like a face.
After that you can start adding detail, I'd think that would be the best way to see some improvement.

im too fucking addicted to this toxic board bros i literally refreshed it for 12 hours straight while doing other stuff what am I doing with my life?

>>6140391
I feel your pain. I try to stay away, but I can't

>>6140359
>Very first ever attempt
>does it get better?
No anon, what people here won't tell you is that everyone draws from a hat when they're born. Whatever you pull from that hat is your artistic ability for the rest of your life. People that bullshit about practicing, or building a skill are just trying to make those that drew shit skills like yours feel better.

>>6139373
>all Asians
The majority of humans live in Asia. Asia encompasses numerous diverse nations from Uzbekistan to Laos. The majority of the world population lives in Asia. If you want to refer to Japanese or Koreans, you should refer to them specifically rather than a ridiculously broad term of “Asian.”

And on a small island nation like Japan that has long been relatively insular, the genetic pool is smaller and phenotypes fewer. This is basic biological reality.

>>6137637

What do you guys think about my Nigerian Proctologist?

monkeys

>>6140034
>>6140054
lmao stay mad gook, I've proven without a shadow of a doubt manga and anime is white, european phenotype is the standard of beauty for a reason.

> get few /beg/ books to learn the fundamentals
> 80% of the content is some bullshit about "Drawing is like...", "Drawing used to be...", "The human mind is like..."
I fucking hate artists. They can't stop talking about irrelevant bullshit before getting to the point. Same for writters.

>>6140526
Ordinarily I feel like people expressing this kind of sentiment are just retards but I wholly agree with you here. It's bizarre how many art education writers are also armchair psychologists spouting whatever factually incorrect bullshit they pulled out of their ass that morning for 3/4 of their books.

>>6139023
I was struggling few months, but it clicked at some point, also play with brushes.
Pencil brush in Krita works almost like a normal pencil and it was my main tool 2 or 3 months

>>6140054
I'd wear them like hats

>>6140532
I use CSP now but Krita's default pencil brush was a HUGE help in adjusting to digital. I hadn't used anything but ink in over a decade but it helped a lot just to have anything that kind of felt like working with physical media.

Nah nigga we gotta go back to anime

>>6140526
this is what happens when a humanist writes something. engineering books and college scripts rarely have any bullshit like this in them, they even have typos in them but the info is solid and compressed.

unironically an engineer would be the best at teaching art

>>6140359
it doesnt look bad at all, honestly

I've had a lot of fun drawing this. I don't know if I should finish it though. Either way I still have a long way to go before I can render like an /int/

>>6139914
AI will take your job in 20 years zoomerkun

>>6140631
Wrong on all three counts. Not a zoomer, don't intend to make a career out of drawing, and most professional artists aren't going to lose their jobs to AI. Take your viral marketing somewhere else.

>>6140670
AI will take your job in 20 years anonkun

Just use the built in function of quality management for obvious bait

>>6140569
Knees no-clipping together looks painful.

Faces are off model because I haven't been practicing his pre-end of serialisation style at all, studying other things. But do intend to go through Tori's manga someday and copy it all panel for panel when I have time alongside some favourite western comics series.

this is my cope as I look over more traditional Western art that interests me in the meanwhile.

>>6140054
>admits the average nip ain't pretty
>complains about cherry picking then proceeds to cherry pick
Congratulations, you played yourself you fucking retard.

>>6140760
was the retard carrier the prompt for the image or it was something else, the faces look pretty good

So I had taken a break from grinding Loomis for a while to just, apply what I was learning on a ton of my own drawings. And now that I'm coming back to doing full studies, I'm at the last lil bit of FWAP where it's just like 18 pages of him giving examples of you to break down w/ construction and redraw, but this was what a lot of my personal stuff has been. Is it even worth it to go through these or should I just grab the foreshortening part before moving on to Hampton?

>>6140913
Sounds like a plan, but do it anyway to finish it completely.

I feel confident so far, but I just know my neglect of backgrounds will be my downfall

How do you place tits?

Would love to get some feedback. Done with ballpoint pen from imagination

I feel like I'm getting better at shape design and not just drawing individual muscles/bones/body parts

>>6140359

Yes, it does get better. Keep on going - draw, study, analyze and come see your work again in 5-6 years

this one is giving me an aneurysm

Hello BEG, did you draw today or just shitposted in one of the many AI threads? And remember dont reply to AI shitposters.

>>6141131
They are just bags of fat. Younger women (or women with smaller tits) have them pretty high and perky. The older the woman or the bigger tits, the more saggy and lower they are. Coomer artists always puts them to the very top no matter how big they are.

>>6141123
looks good but dont skip on shadows on the background

>>6140913
Finish the book BEG at ANY COST!

>>6140587
Always finish your lolis and move on

>>6140526
People who know how to draw typically dont know how to write and they feel awkward to just publish book with no text and only pictures

>>6140359
dont be so dramatic and keep going

>>6140132
soft, soulfull, coomer. its good

>>6139848
you simply have to accept that at the start you will suck and lose also you forgot to PYW

>>6139839
almost godlike except its somehow blurry. was that intentional? to not have any sharp edges anywhere?

>>6139419
If you want coomer audience you NEED at least anime face. This is too low even for already very low anime standards

>>6139380
Nice. Why are her eyes so massive?

>>6139189
soul, hidden message, is this art?

>>6140464
i dont like it :-(

>>6141284
future caricature artist?

>>6141303

A value study i did today. Should i start with colors? -I know i fucked up with the proportion :c-

still a lot to learn but my lines are getting cleaner and I'm getting a holding structuring

>>6141368
god I fucked the ss up

>>6141368
massive head.

>>6141378
yeah, anything else? I think eyes are a bit far apart but that's because I drew and erase the rights so much there were creases that prevent me from drawing anything

>>6141364

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkaDOtSdnvY
why is this such a difficult concept for me to grasp?
I hate my shading style but can't seem to improve on it at all.

>>6141415
how about you pyw

>>6141319
>future caricature artist?

Nah, wouldn't say so. I just like to exaggerate some stuff, but not on the "funny caricature" level. More into character design

During learning how to draw I was told "if you want to draw something you should be able to imagine something". I practiced imagination a lot and now? I can imagine anything and now a time to learn drawing. And it was a trap. I ant to draw something, imagine something, now I needn't to draw it 'cause I can imagine it. What to do? Had you the same problem? How you solved it?

>>6141440
This is not a real problem and I can't believe that this is not a troll post.

>>6141418
sure

>>6139705
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 22

Copied the drawings from the book, which probably wasn't the best approach, because things started looking pretty wrong when I attempted to make actual people out of them. Will probably use real people as reference next time.

>>6141440
I have been day dreaming 24/7 since I was a kid. I think there's way more details possible with drawing than just your imagination. Sure you can imagine stuff in extreme detail but seeing it with your own eyes is way better imo especially if you are masturbating to it

>>6141365
Although you're good at showing where shadows and darkness is, you didn't signify the areas where the light is hitting.

>>6141365
dull

>>6141514
In my case it's the opposite. I like to look at pictures because it gives me an ideas for char design, but I like to touch things even more than look at them, and in imagination it's feeling better (also I more like smooth surfaces than ones covered with folds and bulges). I can watch at picture and feel it's form (maybe it's Vilppu's "form feeling", that's why I started to read The Manual). Maybe I should sculpt with hands instead of drawing but I can't overcome the disgust from slimy sculpting clay. I'm waiting for winter to sculpt cute girls from wet snow.

Getting back into the groove of things, really forcing myself to draw every day and I'm already learning. The new brush I downloaded really helps too.
Can someone critique my heads? I think I've found the perfect method for me and with some polish I could really take off and move onto details.

Just finished the first chapter of vilppus manual and the lecture, how do these look?

Just doin some loomis

why does the head look so weird

How do I configure her left leg in this perspective

>>6142040
Shape of the face is wrong for one thing, too long and not wide enough around the middle, ears are not tilted with the top leaning outward like in the ref, distances of facial features are wrong with the right eye and mouth/nose wandering off on their own.

Measure more and pay attention to angles before you start throwing down a bunch of stuff.
Distance between the top of the ears is roughly the same as from chin to where the hair is parting.
Eyebrows in the drawing have room for a third one between them while in the ref the distance is maybe 1/3 that, you want to constantly pay attention to distances while you're drawing.
From the top of the ears down to her chin everything is converging to the middle almost like a triangle, while in your drawing it sags down too much looking more like a bowl shape.

Having some perspective trouble. The galleon is supposed to be sitting on the horizon, with the lighthouse shining out towards it. The vertical bit to the right of the lighthouse is going to be a water spout. The lighthouse itself is supposed to be sitting on a cliff face. Realistically the beam of light should be parallel to the face of the water, and the horizon looks off too. Could somebody redline where they would situate the horizon, vanishing point, and beam of light?

>>6141523
what can i do to improve it? more saturation in my light?

>>6137943
His fucking sack is huge lol. This has meme potential

>>6142600
Realize your values are wrong.

>>6141464
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 23

Changed it up for this one; did gesture drawings of real people, built them up, and added some shading to help realize the 3d form, hopefully I got the gist of Loomis' emphasis on balance.

Might do this style more often in place of copying more Doohinkus, which I'm not entirely sold on (really easy to mess up angles and proportions). What do you guys think?

>>6142722
While I like you're experimenting and applying what you're learning, I think you stick with what Loomis is trying to show you.

Because it's so easy to mess up, it's a good learning experience. So when you're done you're more aware of that kind of thing and can then experiment with what you're doing.

That's just what I think, because so far you have been copying him exactly, no need to shift now when you're almost done.

>>6142142
Thanks Anon, will try again

I’m gonna blee

>>6141319
>>6139380
Thanks for the reply, I was beginning to think no one was going to reply except the anon who suggested the book thread. I don't know where I should go from here.

I attach the reference, I guess the eyes are bigger giving away my own paranoia, ha ha, maybe I made the wrong measurement, I made the measurements with my pencil on the screen, in the drawing the girl looks older, I want to believe thats because the jaw it is longer, about the shoulders, the paper was too small, although the fault is not be the paper but mine.

It would help me a lot if you could tell me what other mistakes, I made that apply to my "skill level", also, maybe this can be a bit pretentious, but I would like to know: what is my current skill level? to know where i stand right now