/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6125127
>Ask for commision
>Anon delivers
>Looks like garbage
> I LOVE IT DUDE!!!

>>6125129
If they are a paying client, they won't stay quite if they hate the product.
unless it was like a 5 dollar commission, but ya get tha point.

>>6125132
uh no shy/non confrontational people aren’t gonna say it’s garbage to your face, but they’re not gonna commission you again

>>6125127
Post it tho im curious.

>>6125132
>they won't stay quite if they hate the product.
Yes they will. A lot of people will say they like it to be polite and just never commission you again.

>>6125183
Hate to see it

>>6125127
>impostor syndrome
I wish you zoomer nigger stopped inventing fake mental illnesses
What you're describing is completely normal and reasonable and common and logical if you just think about it for 1 second

Your client doesn't know what makes good art or not, if he sees pretty picture he will love it
You do know how much craft is put into it, you see your own flaws, you know your shortcomings, and you see area for improvement, so you don't love it
SEE how simple?
Why do you need to invent some kinda amongus syndrome to describe a simple concept?

>>6125268
not them, but so they don’t have to use a sentence every time:
>Your client doesn't know what makes good art or not, if he sees pretty picture he will love it
You do know how much craft is put into it, you see your own flaws, you know your shortcomings, and you see area for improvement, so you don't love it
vs
>imposter syndrome
its the shorthand/ rl shortcut for a concept
that’s what language is for. to facilitate communication. the clearer and more concise the nicer it is, so we don’t have to bulk out our conversations where a word or two could be dropped instead, without losing anything
sounds stupid, but it’d be even more frustrating if for concepts you had to, every time, start out “that feeling, you know where it’s like..when you’re sort of”
i do also get you tho, i don’t like all the weird condition terms either, but at least it shortens the time people talk about them even if just a little

>>6125268
not them, but so they don’t have to use a sentence every time:
>Your client doesn't know what makes good art or not, if he sees pretty picture he will love it
>You do know how much craft is put into it, you see your own flaws, you know your shortcomings, and you see area for improvement, so you don't love it
vs
>imposter syndrome
its the shorthand/ rl shortcut for a concept
that’s what language is for. to facilitate communication. the clearer and more concise the nicer it is, so we don’t have to bulk out our conversations where a word or two could be dropped instead, without losing anything
sounds stupid, but it’d be even more frustrating if for concepts you had to, every time, start out “that feeling, you know where it’s like..when you’re sort of”
i do also get you tho, i don’t like all the weird condition terms either, but at least it shortens the time people talk about them even if just a little

>>6125282
You Will Never Be a Woman

>>6125137
>but they’re not gonna commission you again
>>6125183
>and just never commission you again
Cope more, they wil still commission, they just need to be the non drawing dudes.
You are drawing for normies who don't draw, dont you?

>>6125282
You Will Never Be A ZOOMER

>finish a commission
>looks like shit
>show it to client
>they love it and add a 50% tip

>>6125127
>'finish' a commission after weeks of putting it off because I don't like drawing hardcore coom but sfw gets me no comms
>show commissioner, they love it, ask me to just send the invoice, they don't want me stressing about it anymore and they offer to tip for the extra work already put in
>make the invoice
>look at piece again
>some stray lines, odd patches in rendering, looks off
>"give me a minute haha"
>go back to them a week later having redone whole parts like face and hair, rendering, added some more detail to background
>send the 7th "sorry I'm late on this I've just been busy with (Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit) haha"
>they are obviously upset because this was almost done 3 days after they commed me but I couldn't finish it
>check commission log.xlsx
>alright put in 13 hours into this from sketch
>13 hours of making progress, deleting, re-lining, giving up hope, changing poses, etc
>it's been 56 days since the original message from commissioner
>56 days of not posting any work on social media, which is stagnating, because I'm worried commissioners will see and think I'm putting off working on their comm
>I am
>56 days of losing sleep thinking about how I'm too nice, don't charge for any extras even though my sheet says I do, make alterations for no extra charge
>finally send them the final.final.final(final_13).png and express all the gratitude I can muster
>they are more than grateful for all the work I put into their OC which will net me no more than 10 likes and a retweet from my 300 followers
>transfer the £27 after all the paypal fees into my bank account and go buy some noodles, apologise to my landlord for being so (1k) behind on rent and tell them I still haven't heard back from any job applications for the part-time jobs I'm not applying to
>one of my repeat, once a month customers: "hey are your comms open?"
>"sure are, let me know what you're after and I'll work on a sketch asap :DDD"
one day somehow it will all be worth it somehow maybe

>>6125282
Op could've just said "I wish I had more confidence in my work", exact same thing without having to imply that they have some kind of mental illness.

>>6125352
>13 hours into this from sketch
That's standard for me. I usually take longer.

>>6125356
Be zoomer, dont have mentall ilness, pick one.

>>6125352
13 hour sketch
What the fuck are you drawing man
Mechas with realistic perpes perspective

>>6125127
>Finish a commission
>It looks so bad to me i don't even wanna ask for money
>Send the piece without saying anything

>",Dude where the hell is your paypal and this looks great"

>>6125367
>It looks so bad to me i don't even wanna ask for money
>Send the piece without saying anything
lol
Unironically I wanna see your work.

>>6125363
>>6125367
I meant 13 hours from starting with the sketch... 13 hours total would make sense if the final product showed it, but it doesn't. it's cell-shaded cartoon coom in boring poses

>>6125282
The picture being pretty is what makes it good

>>6125375
Come on post the pic. Or example at least.

>>6125313
>they wil still commission
Other artists? Sure
You? Fuck no.

>>6125370
Probably some of my most repulsive stuff
I do more realistic or cartoon
Anime ain't my thing but he was ready to pay and i couldn't say no

>>6125375
13 still seems alot to me but rendering shit is bitch i guess

>>6125127
>Finish a commission
>Send it to the client
>Client informs me that they've never contacted me before
>Blocks me
>Remembers that I forgot to take my pills for the past few weeks
lol

>>6125352
Keep fighting the good fight. I'm rooting for you

>>6125397
the surgeon that did that boob job should be sued

>client wants a commission
>kinda rude and pushy
>when he pays he sees my name
>starts sending blushing emojis
>it's okay sweetheart, u can take all the time that you want
>this happen everytime

>>6125397
how much did they pay for this?

>>6125447
20 bucks

>>6125352
Show it to us

>finish sfw comm
>uhm, it doesnt look like her
>eh, that hand is weird
>eugh, her head is too small
>ah, her expression is odd

>finish NSFW comm
>haha I love it man!
>nice ass
>i love her face!!
>nice cock

>>6125575
>>6125386
I can't now that I've outed myself as a huge BITCH but it's your run of the mill, maybe just barely past looking totally amateurish work.
>>6125400
ultimately the hours I put in that actually go into the finished piece are only about 3, the other ten are wasted. though that's a couple of extreme cases, sometimes I can get something done in 5-6 hours with only a few setbacks. it's the overthinking, it completely kills my flow. and the fear of finishing something and being faced with what I can make. and coom. it's the coom. i don't mind ecchi/softcore stuff but have 0 interest in 80% of my comms

>>6125599
its simple, in NSFW commisions we just see dick and vagina, we coom and thats pretty much it because we are not thinking straight. However in SFW commisions we are THINKING straight because we are not horny for the drawing, we just want something cute

>6125282
>are you taking commissions
>not right now
>ok, let me know if you do
>several months later
>are you taking commissions
>not right now
>ok, let me know if you do
>repeats several times over the years
>they stop asking

You guys work so damn fast, it takes me at least a week and a half to complete a fully rendered piece, I think I will never be able to do commissions with this kind of production speed. Maybe I can try to be less of a perfectionist but my works look so damn bad without constant redoing lines and adjustments

>>6125397
>>6125459
20 bucks is more then I would pay for it but not a whole lot. Yeah, it's not great, far from it, but hey, if he liked you should feel proud that you delivered something he enjoyed at least.

>>6125137
i am as far from shy and non-confrontational as a human being can be and i still find it almost impossible to critique a commission
>>6125127
then stop delivering shit work and expecting the client to tell you if it's bad or not, that's not impostor syndrome, that's you humble bragging about guilt tripping someone that paid you to do your best, which you did not, you did a bad thing and that makes you a bad person, you're adding a buzzword label to your own actions in order to distance yourself from your own misdeeds
hoops through hoops through hoops

>>6125127
I did a $10 commission once (after being harassed for months on end to open them by the same person) literally just to get them to stop asking and they sent me 15+ messages about how they hated it even after I told them I'd redraw it.

Best part is I was by far the best artist they'd commissioned thus far for the lowest price. They nuked their account shortly after going on a suicidal rant a few days after I'd redrawn the piece because someone totally unrelated to me (that they'd also commissioned) smeared them in their hugbox discord for being rude to them.
Request in question, btw, was not even vaguely related to anything I normally draw and post either.

I feel bad for anyone who does this shit as a source of income.

>>6125444
Start a patreon where you talk about your life while drawing
For bonus points, your highest tier lets people hear you talk about sex
But the content is just you talking about how much you enjoy being fucked by your enormous dicked black husband and how nobody else could ever possibly compete
You can do this even if you're single

>>6126626
Don't do $10 commissions. Shit prices net you shit clients. You wanna price out the kids and retards with no self control, go at least $25 even for garbage.

>>6125444
Be my gf

>commission for some degen shit
>send them an invoice for it
>Bob Anderson from 123 Fake Street, Seattle, Washington
>they see my name and anddress too
how the fuck do I get rid of this shit?

>client commissions me for a commercial-use job
>sure, why not
>he's making a game and liked my stuff enough to want me to make a few assets
>think it twice over at first, my skill might not be up to the task
>accept because in the worst case scenario he just won't use the assets I made and I'll be a few bucks in the green
>deliver a few pieces, he loves them
>fast forward a few commissions and months later, the game is ready for release
>he never showed me the working prototypes he had been working on so this is my first time seeing the final product
>none of the pieces I made for him made it into the final game
>in fact, he commissioned a much better artist for all the final assets
>my cheeks turn bright red, overcome by an immense feeling of shame
>close comms, silence socials and dedicate to myself to drawing for fun with my friends
never before in my life have I been so embarrased

>>6125444
Women will literally complain about getting the easy road in life, wow.

>>6125397
People pay for that?
Time to drop Hampton and Loomis and learn to sell my shit.

>>6125444
I hate women so much it's unreal

>>6125444
>people see my name while paying all the time
>they will never know my sex because my name isn't anglo

>>6126687
Ill be your Daddy 7__6

>>6126835
Ok mister Rodriguez

>>6126647
this is true

>>6126913
excuse YOU i am a SIR

>>6126734
Why were you embarrassed? Did you tell people you know that your work was going to be in it?

>>6126626
cheapies tends to attract the worst clients

>>6126734
This is sad. Sorry bro.

>>6126692
>they see my name and anddress too
Why do people worry about this? Has anyone actually been stalked by a client?

>>6125397
Anon...

>get hired to do a commission
>tell the guy I'm going to send him sketches to pick from before I move on to final draft
>he picks one and asks for a few changes
>I alter it and send it back
>He replies, "Uh dude. I'm paying you for high quality work, this looks like a sketch and much worse than your other stuff."

I wanted to slap him. Lol of course it's sketchy. It's a sketch you fuckin' moron!

>>6126734
Your worst case scenario was "get paid to do art that no one sees". That's a great worst case scenario and it came true, but you're embarrassed? Just use this as motivation to do better next time. Don't let me take your job, bitch.

>>6125282
why did people get so triggered by this?
like genuinely asking

>>6125444
Being a woman really is life on literal easy mode... God I hate these fucking holes

>>6126635
>>6126687
>>6126759
>>6126821
>>6126835
>>6129347
Plot twist
I am a dude but I have been using the PayPal account of a female relative because I don't have a bank account. lol

>>6129347
>2022
>Being a woman really is life on literal easy mode
It's like I'm on /b/ in 2007

>>6129347
Not surprised the incel to trans pipeline is real. There's a lot more to life than some simp on the internet sending blush emojis and being nicer to you

>>6129481
it is, though.

>>6126692
Is there really no way to get paid through paypal without disclosing my full address?
>no one's going to stalk you lel
Why don't you post your name and address here then nigger?

>>6129481
it's literally easy mode, you can walk down the street and easily find 10 guys to fund your life's work and you don't even have to like them other than to maintain the illusion you might sleep with them. If I had this option I'd be drawing all day every day.

>>6125268
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome

it dates back to 1978 and perfectly describes the feeling of inadequacy despite well deserving of your position.

Good evening, I hate stinking holes.

>>6125444
his name is John Sweetheart

>>6129347
that maybe true but God also gave u brains and muscles and u cant bothered to use them to ur advantage tsk.

>>6129566
More like walk down the street and get raped lmao

>>6130081
I'm trans btw

>>6130081
This, as a woman (I just became a woman) I get raped literally every time I walk outside.

>>6129566
It is easy mode yes. Everyone knows that. Are you like 10 years old or just a woman who has just gained self-awareness? In any case when you live on easy mode you won't do anything with your life, because why bother? If you were a woman you would spend all day butter up your appearance and fish for attention until the point that you think you are a goddess just by being w woman. Which is how most vapid whores out there are.

>>6129347
Yeah, fielding grenades like you feels fucking great. Love it.

>>6129347
Imagine actually believing this after Roe v Wade was overturned lol...

>>6130775
>>6130604
>>6129666
>>6129490
>>6129481
I do believe women live life on easy mode, that's why I always pretend to be one whenever I can, the difference in how I get treated and how many work possibilities open up is ABYSSMAL
In fact, I don't even bother hiding my real name on my paypal, whenever clients bring it up I just say my account is to my brother's name because women in my country can't have bank accounts and they it eat it up just like that
I don't even have to provide proof of it because if they question it I can just pull the "stop stalking me" card and they immediately stop

Being an actual woman must be so fucking easy, I believe the only thing that holds them back must be their small brains being incapable of using that fact to their advantage, but what do I know, I'm just some dude

>>6131435
what work possibilities?

>>6131435
>the only thing that holds them back must be their small brains being incapable of using that fact to their advantage
Lol imagine believing this. All cultures in history have always warn men about the danger women can pose, and many had manipulated men throughout history from east to west. Modern women know this or why do you think streamers and onlyfan are a thing? They literally just have to sit around doing nothing for pathetic men to watch them doing nothing and even donate money. The only reason few women have accomplished much in all fields is precisely because they have no reason to try and improve

>>6131444
>All cultures in history have always warn men about the danger women can pose,
Now imagine what history has told women and the dangers men have actually done. Or look at current statistics on practically every flavor of sexual and violent crimes regardless of country. Even against other men or boys as well.
>why do you think streamers and onlyfan are a thing? They literally just have to sit around doing nothing...
Retard thinks streaming himself playing video games would be a potential career because there are people who make bank off of donations lol
>The only reason few women have accomplished much in all fields...
There are plenty of fields where women are equal or slowly dominating, such as dentistry. Much more accomplishable than complaining about women on an Indonesian stamp collecting forum, I'm sure.

>>6131444
Do you niggers think about anything aside from sex?
>why do you think women have it on easy mode
>oh well they can essentially prostitute themselves or be a camwhore :^) or emotionally prostitute themselves to some lonely simp and hope he doesn't know your actual address
That's almost always the only answer you people can give.
Do your lives revolve so much on jacking off to hot tub streamers on Twitch and going to strip clubs that you've forgotten that people (men or women) are generally average in terms of attractiveness and don't want to whore themselves and have actual goals and interests in life?

Go get /fit/ and whore your own boypussy, maybe you'll give up on trying to get money for your poorly drawn anime porn

>>6131469
First of all ywnbaw
>Now imagine what history has told women and the dangers men have actually done. Or look at current statistics on practically every flavor of sexual and violent crimes regardless of country...
It's always this point ins't it? You retards always jump to this reasoning first instead of trying to read whatever is written. Of fucking course men have done much worse shit. The point is men in most culture are the dominating sex, so advices for rulers and such are all for men, and it's always about women's ability to manipulate men. If you even reject this point then you are too deluded to even argue with
>Retard thinks streaming himself playing video games would be a potential career because there are people who make bank off of donations lol
Facts remain that girls doing those things can earn money way easier than men. And why not? Men are thirsty beasts, they would pay to get a tiny bit of their attention if deprived of pussies irl.
>There are plenty of fields where women are equal or slowly dominating, such as dentistry. Much more accomplishable than complaining
It's all so tiresome. Take a serious look at thousands of years of history across all cultures. Women are not dumb, they literally just have no reason to try so they don't improve. Sure there're a breed of career chasing women nowadays, but do you think they are remotely in the majority you dumb tranny? I won't argue about your feel good facts about how women are slowly dominating in fields though, that's just a waste of time when we're talking about a more general thing.

>>6131482
Calm down nigger, and try to write something comprehensible.
But from what I could decipher from your abhorrent mess of a post, you are dumb if you think women don't use their appearance to their advantage. Not all of them do, but even the ones that don't still get treated better just by the virture of being a woman. I'm not blaming them just that you're dumb for trying to argue against reality

>>6131504
>ywnbaw
Lay off the tranny porn you NPC, they're living rent-free in your head
>you retards always jump...
Who gives a shit about "advice" and proverbs? Why is that your priority and reasoning opposed to the actual reality?
Ultimately it's other men that will be the bigger danger to himself. Last time I've checked, men aren't immune from getting manipulated by other men either, just not sexually unless you're homo or something.
There is advice about men that are given by and to women as well, you don't think women aren't wary of the opposite sex.
There's good reason why no body wants a male babysitter after all (almost all paedophiles and consumers of CP are men).
>Facts remain that girls doing those things can earn money way easier than men
just whore urself bro
>Take a serious look at thousands of years of history across all cultures...
For example, it's not even been two entire generations since women have been legally able to get a bank account in the US. Historically, women were responsible for being housewives and mothers first and foremost while the husbands were the ones providing financially. It was only fairly recent in the entirety of human history that getting something like a career (unless it was something like nursing).
The fact is that gradually women are making larger numbers as generations grow older.
>but do you think they are remotely in the majority you dumb tranny
Again, lay off the porn. Touch grass
Also I don't believe the majority of people, men or women, are "career chasing" to begin with. Doesn't exactly refute the point that many careers are about equal or becoming dominated by women.
Go for a dental cleaning or some shit, maybe you'll finally get a woman's touch and leave Pornhub alone.

>>6131522
Reading the very first response and you're still missing the point hard. I won't bother anymore. Just live with your fantasy

>>6131522
>that getting something like a career (unless it was something like nursing) was more accessible
Was cut off.
Have you ever watched that Playboy documentary about Hugh (Secrets of Playboy I think it was called)? One of the bunnies stated that they wanted to become a veterinarian but it wasn't exactly acceptable as a woman during the 70s, but today they've overtaken male veterinarians in the US.

You'd be outright delusional if you think women are absent from "all fields" as if it's still the 60s or some shit

>>6131526
>I won't bother anymore
You were free to respond to anything else of the post. Or actually refute it instead of denying that it isn't women that's the "danger" men should care about.
Y'know, I was even kind enough to read your post after the "ywnbaw" part, which I would've/should've immediately disregarded because only a fag who can't think for himself uses it unironically.

It's 12am here so good night anon. You really should get that dental cleaning though.

>>6125397
Holy fuck LOL

>>6125444
You. Will. Never. Be. A. Woman.

>>6125268
>I wish you zoomer nigger stopped inventing fake mental illnesses
i diagnose you with cringe syndrome

>>6131435
you will never be a woman, retard.

>>6131792
And I thank god every day for that

>>6129658
It doesn't describe anything. It only confuses. It creates the opposite of what you're trying to achieve.
How about instead of confusing me with "amongus syndrome with anxiety on the side" you just talk like a normal person

>>6125397
I refuse to believe people are willing to pay for this.

>>6130775
>cannot kill children anymore, all my life is hell now
Not that im against infanticide but how the hell is this supposed to work

>>6126692
>not knowing how to edit the invoice to take your name and address off
oh anon...

>>6125127
>finish a commission
>it's OC
>commissioner says it's perfect
>doubt if I should post someone elses OC on my art page
>decide to go with it and tag the commissioner
>he doesn't even retweet it

>>6133468
believe it or not he's probably just as socially retarded as you are

>>6132127
for the wiki page
>Impostor syndrome (also known as impostor phenomenon or impostorism) is a psychological occurrence in which an individual doubts their skills, talents, or accomplishments and has a persistent internalized fear of being exposed as a fraud.

how is this not crystal clear... ill just assume you never did anything at a high level or ever got anywhere in life.

this is the feeling that you don't belong here, that they made a mistake choosing you and soon they will figure it out and get rid of you.

>>6125356
you're the only faggot here that keeps assuming imposter syndrome is a "mental illness" and that's what OP is apparently implying