/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6111478
Mozart?

>>6111474
Learning to draw heads

>>6111490
nah just a doodle

>>6111506
Whats the point of drawing the sphere first if you are going to ignore it and Yolo the head anyway kek

>>6111549
pyw

>>6111549
are you dumb

back on the hard round brush.
Did these with no under drawings
Feel like I learned some stuff from some of the problems I had with these two
Makes me want to go back to basic forms

>>6111549
looks like that anon is doing the loomis thing where you draw a ball and then slice the ends off

I just want to draw shit consistently and properly. Idk how to get to a finished product or to emulate styles. I don't know how to use my construction so i end up drawing on top of it. In terms of ability, I'm also very inconsistent. What you see here is what I can do on a great day, but on a normal day it's fucked (can't into proportion/form etc). I still can't do faces or anything like that properly either.

Rant aside, could someone please take a look at this and point me in the right direction for things to learn? What exactly am I doing wrong?

>>6111576
Just realised how completely fucking incoherent my post is, then also realised it's 5am. Nap time ig.

>>6111474
Thanks for popping my op pic cherry, feels good man

>>6111386
bad facial anatomy

>>6111549
I use it as a loose guide, why?
Are you supposed to fit the head in the sphere or something?

>>6111559
Are you? He's not doing construction, even if he is, it's wrong. Looks like he just drew a ball and ignored all other aspects of construction and just drew the rest of the head

>>6111589
I love these, you should do portraits of serial killers

How long until I can start drawing anime?

>>6111597
Could you post an example of what you mean anon?

>>6111597
you are a complete fucking idiot holy shit

>>6111597
How do you properly do construction?
I thought people just used it as a guide for proportions and posing.

>>6111609
Sir, Step away from the Vilppu and show me your 200 boxes in perspective. Do you have any gesture drawings in your portfolio that you want to make me aware of?

>>6111597
loomis uses the circle for the upper 2/3rds of the head not the whole thing you dumb shit

Reference had messed up proportions, so of course my drawing is even more messed up. Still a good exercise and I am happy I did it

>>6111609
just start doing it for fun alongside your studies

>>6111576
Why did you draw the hand and then hide it with a cloth and then not even have that cloth follow the underlying form of the thumb you drew? Someone more experienced should also chime in but I think if your problem is

>how do i get to finished product

you need to just keep pushing and make more finished product. It will of course be inconsistent at the start because of more variables than just sketching but its ultimately very rewarding and educational

>>6111609
You can attempt facial anatomy now. It's one of the hardest to master, so you are going to be shit for at least six months.

>>6111616
Yes and no. Proper construction is actually building the forms from the shapes, rather than using them as a loose guide, similar to the phases in sculpting. Using them as a loose guide is viable, but I wouldn't really consider that "construction".
That anon is retarded, though, because proper construction can involve both additive and subtractive steps. Taking a shape and cutting parts of it off is still construction.

Do any of you guys have any linkers to a resource that could help me understand form shadows
In human bodies to be more specific but a general resource would be good too

>>6111656
just look at the video course thread and pick anyone that you want. Most of the beginners course would cover shadows a little bit.

>>6111656
keys to drawing has a really good chapter on light and shadows

>>6111637
that alembic reminds me of those pixel art gifs that used to get posted all the time like 10 years ago, does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Takehiko Inoue/Vagabond copy

>>6111673
Original (ignore hair it was the last thing I did)

>>6111630
Looks very nice, other than the sloppiness of the lower legs

>try to study seriously
>everything looks like shit
>use sasha grey drinking piss as reference in a shitty notebook in 15 minutes
>best drawing of all week
welp

>>6111684
Post it

>draw foot perfectly
>it's a little too big
>erase and redo it
>can't get the shape right again

>>6111684
Post

We’re in love ^_^

>>6111689
>Bejita, use free transform to scale down that foot, you're not skilled enough to draw that again!
>FOOLS, don't you dare to doubt the power of saiyan prin-ACK!

>>6111687
>>6111690
the breasts are pretty wonky but I think I could fix them if I really tried, I wasn't going to draw the face because i'm trying to draw torsos

>>6111700
the ref

>>6111699
kek

>>6111700
Bro at least draw on copy paper

>>6111630
Good enough

>>6111709
THAT IS WHAT I'M FUCKING SAYING
I LITERALLY JUST WINGED IT ON A SHITTY NOTEBOOK AND IT CAME OUT BETTER THAN MY SERIOUS STUDIES

>>6111609
5-6 Years depending on your commitment.

>>6111565
you've got quite a bit of brush control anon gj

>>6111700
You've inspired me anon

>>6111728
based

>>6111637
nice girl on the left

it's shit but I had fun

>Oh anon so actually tried to learn anatomy this time but what did it cost you
> i lost ability to draw lolies
Warm up from imagination
Now i'll go and try to push back into anime

>>6111742
I remember drawing this nigga and Capra demon a lot in middle school

>>6111760
understandable

>>6111744
what did you use to learn anatomy?

>>6111744
Also fuck gluteal region i hate it so much
>>6111790
bridgeman, proko

>Do a sketch / construction I'm pretty happy of
>The lineart I draw over is shit
Every, fucking, time
It's tiresome

>>6111795
thanks

some random shit, feel like I'm slowly making my brain think in 3d

>>6111744
>Oh anon so actually tried to learn anatomy this time but what did it cost you
How long did it take you? I'm impressed. Trying to comprehend anatomy but shit sure is hard.

>>6111820
One proko course and flipped some books through years of drawing, copied other artists etc etc
just a regular routine

>>6111744
Should've studied child anatomy. *deletes half your loli folder*

>>6111589
what's with the splashes of color, are they on purpose or were a mistake? how do you make that

>>6111474
Thanks for reminding me that I need to practice faces

>>6111702
this is a sick ref I'll use it :D

>>6111600
Thanks anon, this one is for you. No idea if she killed anybody but its ok to imagine

>>6111864
Yeah they are on purpose, I want to learn watercolor and let go of my need to control exactly where the paint goes. So its a mindfulness exercise.
>how do you do that
With complete disregard for the outcome

>>6111879
Fucking nice

>>6111802
I know this feel

bridgman's figures look so good, imma practice them

Also fucking tired of making a consious effort not to make hips and shoulders too wide cause i hate fat asses
I don't even think about perspective that hard but fucking hips man

>>6111802
show sketch vs lineart

Space nazis

I’ve drawn it like 3 times and it keeps getting worse

Made a few changes and started rendering new page

>>6111916
Come join me in >>/msg/

>>6111982
>no background except happy sun
draw a smiley face on it and its certifiably based

Don't you love it when you create something that you know is your best work, but is still shit? For me at least, it gives me the drive to keep going.

How to facial expressions?

>>6111982
Are you even paying attention to what you're supposed to be doing

Drawabox really fucked me up. All this time I thought you were supposed to keep your wrist and elbow completely stiff, but that's actually a counterproductive.

>>6112034
Read anatomy for sculptors and study facial anatomy.

>>6112052
No you're just pretty stupid, poojeet never says to do that just to put more emphasis on your shoulder while you learn from him.

Damn you're pretty stupid aren't you

>>6111673
>>6111674
You need to work on capturing proportions. the head in your pic is much larger than in the ref

Hard square practice

>>6112056
Yea, I am. I completely neglected learning how to draw from the wrist.

>>6112059
Kino

>>6112031
Are you the guy who made the weird skeleton running with the moneybags?

>>6112076
Nope, this is my work that I've posted.

>>6111923
>I'm gay
yeah it shows

>>6112080
Yeah yeah no big tiddy/ass with cum dripping all over the screen = gay
I know man i know but can't do anything i just like super skinny flat chest women

>>6111982
You might be challenged lol

>>6112059
I knew the pixiv level lineat would come with pixiv level painting, noice.

>>6112059
I love hard square, how do I get a hard square brush in photoshop? Fuck it, any square brushes in general would be appreciated, textured or not

>>6111982
it doesn't even look like the same vehicle
is this some sort of creative referencing exercise?

Best anime head tutorial out there at the moment?
I know most of them are some derivation of Loomis but there has to be some great instructors or courses that shine more than others

>>6112059
ref?

>>6112108
No idea about Photoshop since I use Krita. But I bet there are a ton of hard square brushes you can just download from the internet.

>>6112167
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/0d/d6/dc/0dd6dc2ed78dff5c8d9484a75549d5d2.jpg

>>6112180
muchos gracias

instead of drawing better art my improvement consists of making shit drawings faster

>>6112229
pyw, preferably a comparison between your old and new.

>>6111474

Any advice on how color/blend skin and other materials in general?

Im literally hardstuck on this for the past week and its driving me insane... any tutorials, books videos that helped you "get it"?

I've been watching a lot lately and nothing seems to work.

drawing eyes makes me want to shoot myself

>>6112249
Apply color in New layer, erase with soft big eraser to desired result

>>6112249
Jesus...

hello I'm here to apply for the position of retarded comic relief

>>6112249
Damn, that shit's horrifying.

>>6111982
>wrong number of wheels
>drew the top of the cargo rounded when the ref is flat
>top of cabin heavily inclined when the ref is horizontal
Are you hiding the ref layer and drawing from memory or what? Some mistakes here I could see coming from perceiving the reference poorly but those things I listed make no sense if you're looking at the reference at all.

First nontrivial figure drawing attempt. It looks off but I don't know why. Critiques? Thanks

>>6111589
This one has a lot of soul

>>6112353
you should also post the ref so people can give you a better critique. The biggest problem I see is proportion. The breast are different shape, the hips are small compare to the torso, the legs are too skinny/thin, the left side leg is a bit long, and arms could be larger. The head and shoulder area are not bad at all.

>>6112301
cute and based!

>>6111576
Ok I took a go at it. I stopped when I realized I was basically redrawing the picture.
The construction of the figure is decent, but your anatomy skills are lacking. There's barely a mark on that back. It doesn't have to look like a textbook diagram, but you have to put a few landmarks on it to give the back some sort of definition. Shoulder blades, butt dimples, etc. Drapery looks okay, but like anon pointed out, it seems like you're hiding the fact that you don't know how draw hands. You have to give some indication they're under there. Finally, the hair suffers the same problem as the back: lack of definition. What's the thing at the end of the hair?

Back. Hands. Hair. Study them.

>>6111582
looks nice, you definitely have the colors down.
what's confusing me is the inconsistent blurriness; why is the middle ground blurry when the mountains and foreground are defined? pick one end to focus on and adjust the blur accordingly on the rest.

>>6111982
Virgin perspective vs orthographic Chad

>>6111474
i drew therefore i am

Which of these looks best? I'm making a comic and I admit I don't really get what separates bad coloring from good coloring, and the resources I've read only really talk about the difference between color and greyscale.

>>6112249
does anyone actually find lips like that attractive

>>6112249
>draw a drag queen face
>it's still more feminine and attractive than the reference
damn I'd suggest finding less disgusting reference

Anyway just find art you like and copy how they do it to learn (ie do studies), make sure to look into layer blending modes in whatever software you use because they help a lot. Also while shadows rarely have truly hard edges, cast shadows tend to be pretty sharp especially close to the shadowcaster.

>>6112454
Bottom right looks best but top left has the most soul.

Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 7

Will be posting slower since I'll be working a lot the rest of the week, but wanted to finish the expressions portion today. Tomorrow I'll at least start constructing heads from overlapping circles.

ok I have taken the advice of the people here, I am using a small size for sketch and bigger size for lineart I found a brush that changes the size according to the pressure of the pen, which is hard to learn to use but i'm trying.
And I went back to the basic Loomis maybe i'll finish it this time, maybe i'll remember to continue it after the first 10 or so pages, but in the meantime the best loomis head I have ever done

Is it normal to have no "feel" for the form and to have to autistically draw the planes on everything for it to look somewhat accurate?

>>6112454
Is the character supposed to have an orange fake tan?

>>6112108
Literally just make your own, Jesus it's extremely easy takes seconds to do.
>Square Lasso
>fill black
> Edit: define brush preset
>adjust properties
> save brush and done

I love toshi's lines, sadly couldn't replicate them because my thick pencil.

Yee haw

Trying to draw entirely from memory and imagination without a reference, last saw a Crash image at least a week ago

>>6112326
how does his shit get even worse over time?
how does he do it bros?

>>6112578
just sharpen your pencil

>>6112681
That's unironically the best scribbly mess I've seen him post. His "real" art isn't masterful or anything but looks way better than what he spams the thread with but even on his twitter he's spamming scribbles and going on schizo rants though, really sad, wonder if he got lead poisoning or something.

i tried the keys to drawing hand thing

>>6112726
>His "real" art isn't masterful or anything but looks way better than what he spams the thread
post it i want to confirm it's who I think it is.

>>6112578
My brother in Christ, sharpen your pencil

>>6112578
Now draw the hands and feet

>>6112732
I haven't saved any of it but he's lunaticsoda, google him and his twitter/tumblr/newgrounds come up.

>>6111982
textbook definition of a symbol drawing, observe your reference properly anon

>>6112326
>>6112746
Wtf anon pls don't give up your beautiful talent, no more in pretending to be retarded.

>>6112777
Oh lmfao, it seemed like therenwas no way, and it's just a reblog on Twitter that came up on Google kek. If this was actually your stuff anon, that would've been so cool.

>>6112777
if you just saved that off his twitter it was a retweet from pencilnote, not his own art. Don't worry, twitter confuses me too.

>>6111982
symbol drawn, read the sticky

>>6112780
Yea I noticed a little too late, guess my boomer ass brain isn't fit for this 2022 world kek. It's almost insane how search results have been ruined pre and post normie internet due to reposters (usually art thief accs) and big monolithic sites not having sources tied in well leading to, well this.

But I'm pretty dumb too kek

>>6112728
you missed the point of the exercise, face your hand so you can barely see the “body” of the fingers at all
it’s supposed to teach to draw what you see despite you knowing how fingers are supposed to look like

>>6112452
baste

>>6112777
>>6112790
Twitter feels awful to use. I just looked up the name

got a bit tired of drawing people and drew some animals tonight for fun

>>6112805
imagine being a frog and befriending a tiny alligator then later when it grows up you have a big ass alligator who sticks up for you

>>6112018
I can't relate to a character with a small penis

>>6112257

Its what I did and I feel I lack some very fundamental understanding on how color functions.

>>6112485

Yes, got the ref from /s/, they do make bimbo threads and some people find it likeable , personally I dont but it felt the forms were interesting to try and draw.

>>6112487

Ill try that, when I try to study directly from reference it kinda turns stiff so maybe I need to stylize it more.

>>6112278
>>6112311

I got to know, is that for the reference or the study/both? If the drawing, can you outline what you hate about it? The eyes on the study are kinda evil and the body was not exactly correct but I was just trying to get something to put color and try figuring it out on.


A few additional drawings I did, feels like some progress is made the more I draw but color fucks me up and lips/eyes are a menace.

>>6112794
Does it... not look like the examples? I thought i did it fine

>>6112728
I also did this idiot. I can't line up anything with anything

>>6111879
Godly beard

>>6112815
It's my self insert character

>>6112800
Ye I thought it was his hidden good art or something but it was just a retweet further down. 4head on my part too.

>>6112399
Thanks, I wasn't happy with the midground rendering so if kinda blurred it out.
Doesn't work I see now

>>6112825
gmi
>>6112805
Based
>>6112831
I call this, the ball crusher.

>>6112825
>Ill try that, when I try to study directly from reference it kinda turns stiff so maybe I need to stylize it more.
When you do art studies it's generally not so much about learning anatomy and stuff, it's about learning how they render, handle lineweight, etc so you can make similar-looking art (or borrow elements to mix with other artstyles). You might do art studies to learn how people simplify anatomy but it's better to learn anatomy from life study or manuals first.

>>6112831
It doesn't. Look how the fingers in yours are curled more sharply inward so you pretty much just drew each finger from the middle knuckle to the tip. You want it so all the fingers are basically "pointing" at your face.

>>6112864
tried it again. made sure my fingers were facing me straight on. doesnt look much different from the first time

>>6111982
I need to see the previous attempts

>>6112875
I'll save my judgment on the fingers but if your thumb came out like that you're either not drawing what you see, or your thumb is broken/deformed.

>>6112890
I tried my fuckin best. I look at it and i draw it. What else is there to it

>>6112893
Stop trying to draw a thumb and fingers and just draw the shapes you see. That's what the other anon was trying to tell you: The point of the exercise is to see the fingers from an angle you're not used to, so it's obvious when symbol drawing doesn't match the reference. You drew a thumb seen from the top and almost parallel to the palm when from that angle with the rest of the hand you'd see it from the side, and if you have it extending toward your eyes it would be WAY shorter and you wouldn't even see the nail, like in most of the results in >>6112831.

>>6112861

>>6112899
I AM drawing what i see. I have my thumb pressed against my index finger, i can see the whole nail from my perspective, its pretty much from the top.

>>6112912
Show me those goblin hands, boyo.

>>6112914
This is pretty much the perspective i tried to draw

>>6112875

Not the anon your talking with but here is my 15 minute take on this, I guess its to force you to see the hand as shapes in perspective and how they attach to the hand.

its how I would go about it anyway..

>>6112919
I have absolutely no clue what any of that means

>>6111957
Sure, here it is

>>6112925
your main problem is line weight
another common problem with sketch vs lineart is that a sketch often feels more dynamic with its flowing lines and the extra lines in a sketch also provide a sense of form/volume and trick the brain into seeing texture
a good example of this is your left sketch/inking, the jacket in the sketch has an organic flow to it and a sense that the character's movement is influencing it whereas the inking looks stiff due to the perfect curves of it, it seems like you might not be loose enough when making your lineart. if you're using too much stabilization this can be an issue, i understand wanting to make good and consistent lines but too much gives it a very stiff feeling and it's better to just learn how to make good lines without stabilization in the long run. overall I'd say you just need to practice inking more and specifically reference and try to emulate lineart from artists that you want yours to look like

>>6112922
feel da form

>>6112946
you may as well just be saying 'ooga booga' cause i dont get what the hell you guys are talking about

>>6112922
that's a perfectly good explanation anon, if it doesn't make sense to you then you need to actually read the text of the books and learn. conversely, there's thousands of hours of beginner content on this subject on youtube, if you don't have the drive to figure out this very basic concept then you should probably pick a different hobby

>>6112953
>you need to actually read the text
im reading Right side, so far just a bunch of mumbling and rambling.
>there's thousands of hours of beginner content on this subject on youtube
Like? Come on man, give me something to work with

>>6112956
>2012 + 10
>not knowing how to read the sticky
>not knowing how to do a basic google search
>being this much of a brainlet
>ISHYGDDT

>>6112088
We need more like you. There's more body types than "obese tittymonster" and "child".

>>6112919
>>6112946
>>6112953
No this is just an observational drawing exercise. He isn't learning anatomy.
>>6112922
You just need to pay attention and copy. I think your upside down stavinsky is actually quite good>>6112834
You are clearly being lazy in how you copy the lines. At this stage you won't have the observational skills and sense of proportion to make decisive quick strokes like this.
You might have noticed in the upside down stavinsky you were thinking " what the fuck is this, how is this line angled, what does this connect to, how does this look in relation to this"
Ask yourself these basic questions when you draw. Just perfectly copy each lines by comparing to a start point, a reference. At present your language is something like: " oh this is a a thumb thumb is curve I draw U shape curve." When in actuality the digits of the thumb and fingers have subtle in and out curves.
>>6112916
In this image I would personally take the large line of the bottom left of the thumb, then there is a huge void of negative space on the inside of the thumb as a shadow. Then I would continue to build each line and compare from these.
Pay attention to the shape of negative space as this will help you.
Try to mimic the way you were thinking with the stavinsky.
Drawing on the right side of the brain is a good book often overlooked by /beg/cels

>>6112956

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aor_xEW21R0&list=PLXkHosWORUv6bxfPGz31WESqw_87adQ5r&index=1

Follow this course and actually do the drawings. Do what he tells you, exactly as he tells you, but most importantly DO.

1 video per week - 7 days of practicing what he tells you in the video. Practice instructions start at 2nd video but watch the first one as well.

Also you need to get into the habbit of googling what you dont know and trying and failing.

there is so much art advice and so much of it isnt wrong but will be persented in a way that you wount understand. Thats fine, find another video, watch another tutorial until you find one that works for you.

>>6112916
>really does have an outward-twisted thumb and goblin paw
mein gott
Here's a quick and partial draw-over/redline. Things to note:
>how flat the nails actually look in-perspective compared to what you drew
>pinkie nail isn't actually visible and the pinkie is a short, almost straight shape while you drew it like a prawn with a fully-visible fingernail
>where you do see the knuckles, which you only actually see as discrete forms on the index finger and thumb, they are angular and almost sharp; the finger is not one long rounded shape
>cuticle to the knuckle of the thumb is longer than the length of the nail, you drew it shorter
>if you're going to draw palm lines, note where they being and end, the course they take, and what fraction of the line each bump or turn occurs at
There's more too but even though it's partial I think it's mostly stuff that should come through without words just from what's in picrel. Also you should rescale your images, just noticed the resolution is HUGE when I went to do this.

I'm feeling conflicted about this WIP. Critiques so I can improve it before finishing?

>>6112088
Amen fren
I've lost all interest in big tiddies in 2008 when gyrating bags of fat were hitting my slut on her chin with each thrust

>>6112965
>you need to get into the habit of googling what you dont know
What if i dont know what i dont know? (If that makes any sense)
>>6112963
>>6112968
I think most of this could actually be chalked up to my pen control. This is pretty much the first time ive been drawing anything, and cant really get the pen to go where I want. I know its not accurate, i could see that when i drew it, but there was no way i was gonna fix it without just starting again.
However, if the excuse i just made for myself isnt the reason why, then i really have no clue why it looks bad. I tried, i paid attention to the shape and lines and shit, i really did. I just couldnt do it

>>6112971
Personally would have added more foreshortening on the arm, staff and legs to break it from the 2D profile view. Then maybe add some darker shades to these parts for depth.
I learnt the importance of this studying frazetta

picked up bridgman's book, I just started and it's already clicking better than any other construction tutorial I've seen

>>6112982
Cope
Your pen control is fine because you could do it on the stavinsky.
You just don't spend enough time focusing and looking at what you are drawing
Draw on paper if you must

>>6111923
there's a really pleasing flow to your lines. very gestural

>>6112982
nah drawing the correct shapes badly is an issue of pen control, drawing the wrong shapes/angles entirely is an observational/symbol drawing issue
an example is how you drew the top and side of the pinky when you could only see the bottom in the pic

>>6112988
Could i? Could i do it on the stavinsky? I dont think that thing is as good as you think it is. Though, maybe it IS better, maybe because its lines on paper and my hand is a real thing? But then how do I look at my hand like lines? That makes no god damn sense

>>6112991
That is also a different pic entirely, i could see the top and side of my pinky when i actually did it, the pic of my hand is just a similar angle.
Though I do see where you're coming from on the wrong angles and shit, but how the fuck do i observe something harder, i just drew what i thought i saw

>>6112998
with practice

>>6112971
Watch this video on line art. I think it can help you a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzgrOMCd380

>>6112982

>What if i dont know what i dont know? (If that makes any sense)

Then you have nothing to google..... Im not sure if you aint just trolling me here. As you learn things you will start asking question but why does the eye do this and not that and the instructor in the tutorial you are watching never goes and explains that question. Then you look for another tutorial .. maybe the answer isnt there either, so you ask on the image board people try to explain .. still dont get it, so you google eye anatomy, sit down, start reading, start drawing and trying to apply what you know - eventually you figure it out.

people say you can learn without paying for a course and while that is true you arent realy paying for the knowledge in the course - all that info is already out there even for free. you're paying for they guidance and having someone explain what you dont know on the spot.

Dont wanna/cant pay - get ready to google, sweat curse until you figure it out.

>>6112945
Thank you very much for this explanation
I'll keep that in mind, on start working on all of that.

By the way, I have 6 stabilization on CSP, but I never bothered changing or disabling it, so I'll try to remove it altogether.

>>6112989
>>6112977
>>6112962
Tank you guys

>>6112985
>>6113002
Cheers. Helpful vid for sure.

>>6112986
looks great, make sure you're really paying attention to those CSI curves. I also like to block in straight lines, but I do so very lightly and then go back over and pay attention to where he chooses to use straights, c curves, and s curves. I've been posting my bridgies in /msg/

>>6112825
I'm starting to feel that loomis is unnecessary and maybe even detrimental for beginners

>>6113054
unironically reject loomis return to huston
>BUHHH HUSTON BASED HIS LESSONS ON LOOMIS HEADS T H O U G H
shut up bitch no one cares

>>6113046
thanks a lot, I'll start paying extra attention to the curves

How do you like my coomic special friends?

some more drawabox
did another of these, i think it turned out better than the last one

>>6113153
You could have installed blender, booted it up and rotated the camera for the exact same learning you got from this.

>he fell for the practice boxes meme

>>6113157
Why would I install a program in my computer when I can just draw some boxes, are you retarded?

I will draw today.

>>6113214
I already drew twice today. It's just like when someone announces they're quitting nofap

he's supposed to have his hands tied beneath his back, but i haven't decided on what i want his clothes to be so it's still kinda ambiguous
that being said, any comments/critique on the anatomy? muscles? i feel like the far eye's always the hardest part for me so if you've got any advice on that as well i'd be really grateful

>>6113252
I will nitpick and say the clavicle is supposed to be less pronounced on people with large chest muscles.
For eyes, it's just practice. You already understand the anatomy. You can invert the image if you work digitally to check the mirrored version looks normal. Keep checking the eyelids match up with the other eye if you draw a line across.

FBI GET ON THE GROUND

>>6113264
true, i didn't want him to look _too_ ripped per say, but now that i took the time to look at a couple refs i should probably tone down the clavicle, yeah. i got the habit of drawing them very obvious bc i always use them as guidelines for everything else
my issues with eyes is usually the shape and angle. while the near one's very easy to simplify and i have an understanding of what everything represents the moment i have to think of the other one being "behind" the nose i drop my spaghetti lol. but i'm glad to hear this one in particular looks okay all things considered

>>6113233
Are you trying to shit on me sir?

>>6113288
No gross, scat's a terrible fetish.

do I really need to do this type of shit if I want to learn and draw things in perspective? when I see autistic technical stuff like this, it sucks the fun out of art and makes me not want to even learn the fucking FUNDIES if this is what it takes to get good. guess I'm just ngmi after all...

https://www.bilibili.tv/en/video/2009977119

>>6113303
oriental pants...

>>6113303
not unless you want to be an architect
art doesn’t need to be technically flawless, it just needs to look right

>post a piece asking for tips
>get no response
I've been wondering this for years: is this a good thing or a bad indication?

>>6113303
>do I really need to do this type of shit if I want to learn and draw things in perspective? when I see autistic technical stuff like this
Anon I watched the video and it's just a couple of boxed put on top of each other, if you consider this 'technical stuff' don't ever read the robertson book or you'll get an aneurism.

>>6113303
All the fundamentals, including perspective, are very simple, you just don't know it yet. To an illiterate person that doesn't know the alphabet, a book with thousands of different words looks incredibly complex and daunting, but there are genuinely only 26 characters to learn which unlock everything instantly. You quickly stop focusing on the characters and start being able to get the actual information with just a glance.

I was in your position as recently as a year ago, but when you learn the handful of principles that govern perspective, you unlock a powerful tool that you can use to check and correct your work in any situation. The seeming mess of lines stop being obstacles and start being helpers and you can focus on the individual ones you need for each situation.

>>6113278
Just shoot me you fucking faggot

anon why dont you just copy someone elses style?
this guy got like 30k followers in just a few months

>>6113344
It depends, pyw

>>6113354
Which one is the copy? The left one looks much better so if that's the copy he deserves the followers

>>6113346
>>6113347
okay but that doesn't change the fact that the video they posted is just ridiculous and hardly applicable to most drawings. a robot made out of shapes? sure, but no one's drawing that many guidelines for a human body

How do I use reference without cheating/copying/tracing?

>>6113356
gishiki is original, he also sells his drawings as NFTs so fuck that guy
I wonder if there might be som legal issues in the future though

>>6113354
>social media clout
kys

>>6113357
That's what I was thinking, this seems like some shit that advanced artists come up with to confuse begs so the teacher can keep coming up with new courses to sell even though pros probably don't even use most of this bullshit.

>>6112971
It's a wip but you've already signed it?
The hand holding the wand is posed a little weird.
Is she floating or falling? The hair seems to be obeying gravity, but her skirt isn't.

>>6113360

>>6113368
They probably sign it to identify their work to others.

>>6113357
It's not complex at all, you keep that knowledge in your mind passively, you don't actually need to work it out individually on paper every time, and even if you decided you want to do it, it's more of a tedious chore that takes time rather than something complex that requires mental effort and figuring shit out. To go back to the reading analogy, it's as tedious as transcribing a speech, you know how to do it intuitively it just takes time, it's not nearly as mentally intensive as e.g. working out math/physics/programming problems.

>>6113363
I would like to kill all of these females

>>6112726
>His "real" art isn't masterful or anything but looks way better than what he spams the thread
huh

>>6113375
Seems pretentious

>>6112800

I still don't understand why you give him yous

>>6112800
How do people see this and not realize lunaticsoda is a larp

>>6113419
Give who (you)s?

To you

You who?

Am I a joke to you?

How do I learn to draw like this? Whenever I wanna draw, it just kinda falls apart

>>6113368
Not him but I usually sign during sketching because the signature is itself a compositional element.

>>6112825
>that ref on the bottom right

>>6113467
For me it's top right.

>>6113459
Can you post you trying to draw like that?

>>6113459
I have long envied his ability to draw with such apparent ease. Every line is wobbly and imprecise and it looks super rushed but somehow the end result looks powerful and evocative. The power of concept artists before the photobashing era I guess.

>>6113470
I don't really know where to start. I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpH8T2CRlLI&ab yesterday so I know a bit about construction, as well as some figure drawing knowledge from Hampton. Beyond that, the only thing I have are some plans I wanted to do based off that style. I looked at it and I thought "that looks easy enough" but it very very much isn't.
>>6113472
Yeah, I love how scratchy and messy his drawings look, they evoke some sort of mythical, ancient feeling.

I think I'm just going to drop a grid on it and try copying it

>>6113484
it takes months to years to learn how to draw in a way that doesn't look stiff or unnatural, just so you know
even if you copy it'll look "off" for a long while as you improve

hold on bitches, im gonna draw

Went back and made this one more finished. Was pretty fun.

>>6112986
Same bro, I've been working on it for the first time over the past week and so much started clicking into place. His writing is opaque as hell tho, also found this course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPi92DnMis which is really helpful.

>>6113150
sovl

>>6112825
>is that for the reference or the study/both?
Sorry that wasn't too helpful, but yeah the reference is the horrifying bit. Your study is fine, I think you've nailed down the issues. I don't know much about color, but I think your color problems also come from trying to invent colors that aren't on the ref (i.e. all the clothed skin). Then on top of that what skin is there is caked in makeup so you aren't actually seeing real skin tone. Basically the reference is awful in every way lol. Also the thing I've learned about mouths/lips is that they only really show up in the render.

>>6113459
Based taste. The good news is that it's a very study-able drawing, try copying it.

>>6113492
>someone on /ic/ actually drawing
wtf

>>6113150
I'm honestly kinda hooked at this point. Will wait for the next page.

>>6113484
Copying others finished work is good. Also very good fun. I copied a few frazettas in charcoal. Translating oil painting to charcoal and learning why he does stuff the way he does when drawing is very fun.
I don't know if it's a good idea to copy other artists work in the beginning. I would definitely not ever use a grid to learn ever. Only use a grid if you want to be a slow printer.
When I copy other artists work I often find it's more useful as a bridge between my own understanding of the fundamentals and then the advanced stuff like line suggestion, silhouettes, gesture, colour, composition etc.
The style of the morrowind art is known as 'loose'. You will hear that a lot in art. Frazetta is famous for it. See pic related.
For beginners I always recommend just read the sticky, bridgeman, hogarth, drawabox, anatomy for sculptors and find pictures of fun stuff and copy it, using different mediums and experimenting. So if you find something you like just copy it because you will learn to enjoy learning then. For this I would try fineliners, or maybe you can try translate it into brush pens, perhaps a charcoal pencil.

>>6113514
>>6113528
Good to hear. WAGMI
I upload the full pages here with some storyboards
https://mega.nz/folder/QsQHERxY#CJxIpUWFMbKoyuBSvjPDeg

>>6113560
Hot

>>6113560
I see the end of her shit-tube.

>>6112825
i'm ngmi if i keep jacking off to references i attempt to draw

>>6113560
cunny

I'm awful at drawing women and whatnot so I practiced a bit today. Just lightly shaded cuz I didn't have too much time
>>6113278
I love this
>>6113560
I can somewhat respect how unhinged you are>>6112805
kek adorable

>>6113595
screenshot filename cuz I had to drop down the filesize and that was the quickest way

Boobies

Why is nobody replying to my works?
Is it because it is too low effort?

>>6113614
Which ones are yours?

>>6113618
Just forget it, after all these years I keep being the worst artist of this board

>>6113627
if it makes you feel any better the posts that get the most replies are the hilariously bad ones

>>6112900
>>6113627
This yours?
It's fine as a sketch, just needs to be refined
If it's not, nigger just tell me what yours is

>>6113637
No it is not mine and I posted my quick doodle on the OC thread.
It is the sand lark.

>>6113614
Are any of the following posts your posts
>>6111491
>>6111695
>>6111815
>>6111827
>>6111964
>>6112620
>>6112666
>>6113611

If so, here is your (You)

>>6113533
>For this I would try fineliners
Personally I'd recommend fountain pens over fineliners. Japanese ones are one size smaller than american ones so their "very fine" is finer than the finest american pen, and similar in size (and scratchiness) to I think an 01 fineliner. Fountain pens have the same strength as fineliners, which is very consistent and easy-to-control line weight, but the nib is more durable, they hold more ink and you can refill them whereas fineliners are disposables (I think there are refillable technical pens, but those are just fineliner-fountain pen hybrids with metal nibs that are shaped like a fineliner nib instead of a traditional fountain nib).

>>6113644
No and I am not the dude who does those silly lazy sketches.
I posted my work on the OC thread.
(I can't repost my work, 4chan doesn't let me do it in the same day)

God I draw like a neanderthal
I should find some chalk or coal and scratch some fucking cave walls

Any crit or feedback appreciated

>>6111474
How do I start rendering on digital?. I feel that my way of describing form is getting better and i would like to add some tone. Are there some courses or books that teach me how to use brushes?

>>6113707
I like the colours and atmosphere, but you could add more volume and colour to the shadows. The biggest part that needs more work is the flower, the rest of the drawing works fine

Any good material for learning how to properly draw organic forms in perspective?

>>6113732
Thank you Anon, I'll revisit this and work on that more. Appreciate the feedback

>>6113717
Meds map

Man I'm having such hard time with noses, I've practiced the structure for days, watched several tutorial, read about it but it still doesn't click for me, what a mess of a body part

>>6113736
vilppu

>>6113748
For me it whole face
So i literally cover it with mask>>6113611
Or sometimes they magicaly appear okay but it happens rarely

>>6113685
I want to put my face inside the skirt hole

>>6113646
You're right. It looks like it was done with a G nib.
I should buy a fountain pen.
I've been using a pentel refillable brush pen lately and it works great. With a fountain pen it would save a lot of hassle having to keep dipping my g nib pen.
My technical fineliners have lasted me years though. Even the 0.5 has stood the test of 5 million plus drawabox and loomis heads.

Started a boba today, here is where I got to

>>6113854
Another victim of the hard round meme

>>6113533
what book is this?

Man, I think I bit off more than I can chew
>Doppo's face is alright but the head is way too squished, no actual forehead to speak of like the reference pic.
>Retsu's head is a bit better but the face is way off and every attempt to do the hair ended in failure
At least I kinda learned about how to do cheek bones from this. Gonna see how my shading goes compared to the original.

>>6111474
fish

>>6113859
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE HARD ROUND MEME

>>6113854
Keep going bro, hope you finish, sick rendering.

>>6113854
>boba_merc_wip.jpg
jokes aside, its looking good

Holy shit facial anatomy is blackpilling to me.

>>6114109
Everyone wants to start with heads and faces when they figure draw but that's easily the most complicated single part of the entire human body.

>>6111474
Are there any good books on rendering and shading? Particularly choosing values

I want to pick up art, i did this on my small tablet. i'm reading through the sticky now; feel free to roast me

Doing some Perspective Made Easy, one of the ch. 8 exercises

>>6114152
honestly, if you didn't use paint/pencil tool and drew an oval instead of whatever the fuck that shape is, that would be a better starting point than most.

>>6114174
thank you for the feedback, i mean it. I need to learn all the things in krita as much as i need to learn technique. it's very overwhelming

>>6114187
One day at a time. Don't burn out, start simple and enjoy every little bit of progress.

>>6114193
omg why is it 4k!!!

>>6112518
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 8

>>6114200
If these are not copies, they're really good anon.

behold my magnum opus

>>6114207
you obviously did the downward white strokes wrong because there's levitating grass.

This is why we make our backround grey, because if we are going to use white to define harsh light, it needs to not be the same color as empty space.

>>6114202
Bottom right is the only original design, the other 3 were based off the examples given in the book.

I have no idea where the light source should be. Also I think she looks too flat/2-D.

>>6114212
yes I don't know why I even put white lines but this information was helpful
>>6114215
I think you should try light from under

>doing a croquis session
>2 minute poses look okay
>5 minute pose
>it looks like complete absolute fucking dogshit

k but y

>be me
>draw very rough sketch with a million lines
>trace what I think is right on new layer
>hide old layer
>it looks terrible
>delete entire file
>draw nothing
Help

>>6114245
Dont fix anything until the entire construction is complete.

>Took summer off to draw daily
>Havn't drawn in two days
>Getting tilted immediately over stupid shit
>Wind up spending 90 minutes trying to correct one body part and then quit

>>6114168
pretty good, nice job

spook ghost nigga

>>6111474
What are good anatomy resources so I can draw sex

>>6114314
Do half the poses in this book

https://anatomiaartistica.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-and-invention-1.pdf

Once you are done with that, you will need to spend three months studying facial anatomy.

Gesture is like the core of art, so you will still want to do gesture twice a week even while you are trying to study more advanced stuff.

>>6114314
anatomy doesn't really matter for nsfw though

>>6114314
Agree with >>6114319
as well as Bridgman and Morpho

are we not supposed to namefag so that ppl know our multiple posts?

>>6114393
People should learn your art style/backtrace your DAD eventually.

>>6114401
i dont think i understand what you mean?

>>6113850
>I've been using a pentel refillable brush pen lately and it works great.
I haven't tried the pentel pocket but their very utilitarian bulky disposable brush pens are great and I adore my kuretake brush pens. My EDC fountain pen is actually just a cheapo Pilot Metropolitan incidentally.

Redline this please, I made thumbnails sketches to make an idea of the pose I wanted but it doesn't looks good enough in digital.

>>6113637
wtf the dude talked about being the worst artist here and you assumed it was my stuff?
Why?

Very rushed, yesterdays face. Will color it later when I have time

>>6114412
the boobs

>>6114412
the head

>>6114412
nvm just flip her upper body

I took a short break from drawing because I'm a huge faggot
it feels fun again though

I'm going to draw less anime girls and more knights and backgrounds

>>6114571
I'm not going to drraw at all

>>6114601
uhhh... based?

I just don't know. Not happy with it, can't really figure out why. Just feels a bit... soulless.

>>6114608
the nose has a weird shape

>>6114608
The pose and composition are a bit awkward and difficult to read. Her body seems a bit broken and the face might be unappealing at least for my personal tastes. As for soul, I can't help you there.

so accountnames consisting of 'name' + 'string of numbers' are bots right?

so which bridgman book should I copy from? There are several with his name

>>6114704
bridgman's complete guide to drawing from life combines all his others books, that's the one

>>6114706
The one with over 1000 illustrations?Am I really supposed to copy all of that twice?

>>6114715
yeah. Take your time with it. It's supposed to teach you basic anatomy, If you take too long on each page you're probably not ready yet. >>6113046 is a great example of how it should look, and by their own words, about 1 hour per page.

>>6114706
I know this confusion, tfw got the wrong one that has no cool blocky dudes and just page after page with ligaments and eyelids

>>6114750
lmao same, I accidentally copied the hand book.
Well at least it took my hands from prebeg to midbeg, so that's something.

>>6114752

>Using Photoshop for art school assignment as it's the standard software
>Use it for an hour
>Canvas freezes, saving stops working, uses up all my memory and wont fix itself no matter how long its left alone
>Restart and redo lost work again
>Press a button
>Crashes
>Do literally anything
>Brushes stop working
How the fuck is this shit the industry standard? This shit freaks the fuck out and crashes all the damn time, same with a bunch of other standard software like Maya while I can use every other piece of art software with no issue

>>6114782

>>6114782
Why not just use a different software and just... lie and say that you used photoshop.
Unless they ask for the photoshop files I can't see why you couldn't get away with just lying.

>>6114782
>Proprietary software
You played yourself

>>6114813
In class work which uses school computers/tablets, as well as the fact that I gotta animate it. The one and singular upside with photoshop I know of is that you can import its files directly into after effects with seperate layers, one of the actual good pieces of software Adobe has

>>6114816
I've been a graphic designer for 7 years professionally (book covers mostly). I've only had Photoshop crash on me twice in 7 years, and it was when I was working with a 2GB file with almost 100 layers. If Photoshop is crashing constantly on you, it's not the software's fault.

>>6114845
It's freaked out on me when I didn't even have a canvas open yet or was just beginning with a new file on multiple computers, I dunno how you've avoided it

First attempt at bridgman, am I doing this right?

>>6114848
Honestly, it sounds like your shit school is either running outdated or pirated software. And if you think that sounds nuts, I went to VFS and got a job there after graduating. I found out that they were running pirated software on all school computers. (Avid)

>>6114852
>I found out that they were running pirated software on all school computers
lmao, that sounds like some mad shit to pull from the school. Knowing how expensive American schools are and the fact the software is probably one of the prime tools in every digital course that's one of the cheapest moves they could make
Will admit the school software is probably a year behind on updates and I've never known an education facility with good computers, but I've got two highend PC's at home I work with too that is always updated. Unsure what it is honestly that's causing it if the software is meant to actually be fine itself
Eitherway I'll probably be sticking to other software for art outside whats needed to be chucked into AE

>want to learn about eyes
>every resource i find just shows how to draw ONE eye

>>6111474

>>6114885
nigger do you have two eyes and a mirror/camera?

>>6114893
no

>>6114894
oh ok well in that case, look up Marc Brunet's tutorial on drawing faces. He goes over some tips on doing two eyes and not just one.

>>6113875
The fantastic art of frank frazetta. It went out of print in the 70s. I got this for £40 on ebay.

>>6114895
i did see a few of his videos, pretty useful, just noticed i missed one that does cover the eyes a bit more too; should help

>>6111474

>>6115022
what brush are you using for shading? looks nice

I will draw today.

>>6115035
https://www.behance.net/gallery/28649063/FREEBIES-12-REAL-MARKERS-ESSENTIALS

There is a smudge brush in this brush pack that I use to blend a charcoal pencil brush. I also use a hard round brush to add large white areas of light.

>>6115044
thanks!

So I tried drawing a character from below in perspective.

LOL

I have a lot of bases to cover it seems.

Make new thread dumbs

wo else lik drawing yaoi?

>got 20 notifications on twitter
>check it out
>it's 2 hispanic weebs chatting and roleplaying under one of my drawings

>>6115166
>hispanic weebs
there is a 90% chance that any weeb is hispanic; still though anon be glad you've got a few interactions still

>>6115141
I like drawing Xaoi
(Like yaoi but with girls)
(It's yuri)

>>6115178
youre a faggot

>get a (you) for no reason
Thanks I guess.

>>6115180
stop projecting

>>6115195
you're welcome

Make new thread fuckers no one is posting art here because no one will get crits from a dead thread

Drew this in the OC thread. Lay it on me.

Is it ok to just completely copy the pose of some instagram thot and put an anime face over it? Is this what they mean by 'use reference'?

>>6115211
/beg/ is a cult of a fundamentals. Drawing for fun/cute isn't really a thing you critique. In order for us to have something to critique, you have to attempt a "perfect," work.

is there some kind of rule of thumb for foreshortening? or do people just eyeball it?

>>6115275
People absolutely eyeball it. Using measured perspective for anatomy isn't something you need to worry about until you are top 0.1%.

Obviously still set up perspective brackets.

>>6115272
You're either trolling or an idiot. Critique to die.

>>6115284
alright that's kind of reassuring, I fucking hate measuring stuff
what are perspective brackets?

>>6115286
https://mymodernmet.com/perspective-drawing/

>>6115285
Why do you want critique on stylization choices?

>>6115288
thanks I didn't know they were called brackets

>>6115289
Because it can improve.
There are plenty of things to critique here. Anatomy, line weight, perspective, color. Does something about the style not work?

>>6115211
personally I think the giant bobble head is kind of unsettling, it'd look a lot better if you toned it down a bit

Imagine if one day everyone stopped bumping new threads and this one never got to page 9

>>6115312
Would that make this general the
Perma/beg/?

>>6115303
That's totally fair.

>>6115211
The eyes are both angled 75%.
The cheek won't portrude that much when facing forward
I don't personally like triangle chins. Give her a small bump
Shark teeth are cute for like, single shots.

Bumping

>>6115201
>telling others to make a new thread instead of doing it yourself
maximum NPC

>>6115211
I don't know why other people are talking about the style or character design choices (when presumably it's someone else's OC anyway??) or saying there's no way to critique stylized stuff. A lot of the time the latter is true, even a low /int/ can fairly easily produce stylized work where there's no real way to critique anything in it because things like perspective, colour and symmetry are ok and there's no way to tell what things are mistakes and what are conscious design decisions that the viewer may or may not find appealing.

With that said, I can nitpick a lot of things here that I do not think are style choices. Her left arm is WAY smaller than her right arm and that elbow looks fucked up too. The hair looks flat and dead because it sticks to her skull too much, and from the shading I can tell that's not deliberate. The strap on her shoulder wraps as though it's headed toward her left hip across her back, instead of appearing to connect to where the bag actually is (and where the same strap reappears).Pinky finger on the hand giving the V sign is too small and the thumb is slightly too far down/in/too small as well. Perspective on the background makes it look like she's tilted backwards relative to the ground.

>>6115303
>>6115361
Thanks. Just having someone tell me the most obvious shit opens my eyes. I get real blind to my own work.

>>6113354
Right is alot cuter.

>>6114047
Soul

>>6114200
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 9

As with before, the bottom right is from imagination while the other 3 heads used Loomis' examples as reference.

anyone have any tips to keep your hand from shaking? mine does especially when im trying to be precise. trying to get a better position/posture but it's not working

milk truck has arrived

I think I got too carried away with the booba and it just looks silly now

eeeahhh