/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

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Your 'art' will always look westoid
Everyone can smell your constructoid stench a mile away

>Start my Japanese practice
>Start writing Kanji
>Kanji feels like drawing
>I'm drawing characters now
drawing is too fun bros

Yeah, no, fuck this shi im not doing storyboards for my comics ever again this shit just makes me lose motivation for whatever reason, next time I'll just jump right into it

>>6061509
2 weeks and im still not done with the storyboard. Op btw

>>6061509
for me, storyboarding is the most fun part, but you really should have a complete outline of the story first. Have you read the McKee book in the OP? You should give it a read. It teaches the same stuff as in the Araki book, but more fleshed out

>>6061519
I know all that stuff, my problem is that the storyboarding takes way too fucking long for a one shot like mine

What is standard procedure for making a comic?
Should you build the setting before writing the story? Are you supposed to storyboard the entire comic after writing it?

>>6062136
is this the first time you've ever storyboarded? It took me about 30 pages to get used to it

>>6062145
1. Story outline
2. Storyboard (and design characters / sets)
3. Pencils
4. Inks (and lettering)
5. Fill Black spots
6. Tones

Don't spend too much time on the setting lol. It's a trap

>>6062164
Yea first time ever... I just thought this process would be faster lol

>>6061405
Was she a nudist character? This manga is such a blur in the memory for me despite the memories of reading it at the library.

>>6062167
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.
>Don't spend too much time on the setting lol. It's a trap
I had some suspicion that it was after hearing about so many failed attempts that died at that phase.

I'm specifically making this one shot just to get familiar with the process of making a comic

Struggling with back pain

>>6061405
Source picrel? Kinda reminds me of ABe

>>6062145
>What is standard procedure for making a comic?
There isn't one. More accurately, it depends on the industry.

>>6062244
Name is on the image or just reverse image search it.

If you just want to make a long one-shot comics of a couple hundred pages is there any way to actually make money with that? Even if its hypothetically very good? Feels like every industry is geared to make money off never ending series so if success is a second full time job I wouldn't even want it.

I also only read manga so I'm confused why the art quality on even the most popular webtoon series is so low. Is everyone just pumping out the lowest quality stuff to get as much ad revenue as possible?

>>6062361
>If you just want to make a long one-shot comics of a couple hundred pages is there any way to actually make money with that? Even if its hypothetically very good?
Multiple (fairly famous) mangaka do that, though I don't think they've ever commented on any wealth it's brought them. Junji Ito and Kenji Tsuruta are two such examples, but there are of course many more.
If you're talking about outside of the manga industry, that's essentially what western comics publishing is, only they want you to use their characters and you're strictly artistically controlled (and only allowed to do a part of the production, not all of it).
Apart from that, the chances of getting popular enough on your own merit via self-publishing to sustain yourself are slim, though hypothetically if they ARE truly very good that would give you a massive advantage over the hoard of others trying to launch their big epic series. It IS possible, after all if an audience for such things didn't exist there wouldn't be any Junji Itos or Kenji Tsuratas. They're just rarer because there is simply more money in serials and companies go where the money is.

>I also only read manga so I'm confused why the art quality on even the most popular webtoon series is so low. Is everyone just pumping out the lowest quality stuff to get as much ad revenue as possible?
It's just a young medium. Art quality in manga has been and still is widely varied, there's some manga that is popular despite looking like garbage. Art will improve as authors are looking for ways to outdo their peers and forebears.

>>6062382
Since I live in the west and don't speak Japanese I'm assuming that market is pretty much closed off to me, I would ask if there was anyone doing original one shots in the west with a publisher like image comics but I'm guessing there's not enough money for anyone outside the major long running series.

Wanted to share this for inspiration
Itoh Sei is an absolute outstanding artist, of you're into action of any kind you seriously need to see his work because he's pretty much the apex of it.

>>6062417
There probably is, I'm just not particularly familiar with the western side of things.

>>6062431
If you're a weeb who doesn't speak Japanese but makes manga anyway, how do you plan to make money with your work? It's pretty depressing that there's nothing to aspire to beyond a hobby.

>>6062450
That's comics baby. Either go where the work is or struggle on your own. Either way it's an uphill climb.
I can only hone my skills and continue trying to build an audience on my own while crossing my fingers a new publisher comes around that's willing to give OEL manga another shot. Though to tell you the truth what I'm actually doing is taking short commissions to pay rent while I chip away at bigger projects. The need for income now has completely halted my progress on growing an audience, since I had to stop my on-going comic to make the time.

>>6062472
I guess I come from a weird position of being an artist in an industry with tonnes of money but its all soulless life draining work. I'll probably try to make something even if I have to give it away for free, I just want to make 1 worthwhile thing before I lose my spark and blow my brains out.

>>6062428
beautiful

>>6061405
Mobile format page

Latest page. I guess I can post if I want to make a webtoon but I am obviously manga-inspired?

>>6062497
This looks great. I want to make black and white but my art is still not there to carry it.
She looks devious, in a good way.

>>6062525
Ironically I switched to making black and white cuz color is too hard, good on you for going for it.

>>6061405
fuck that made me horny

>>6062497
>>6062535
looks great, whats the source?

>>6062569
I am working on a comic, eventually there will be news about it at @_dullsignal_

Is this hot enought ic, for a hentai?

I think I'm spamming too much so last post and question for a while, which sounds better? drakenlier, dracolier, drakenair, draconair, idk maybe just draconicknight-- that's more simple. Btw any help appreciated of course.
>>6062428
very nice recommendation and beautiful art

>>6062184
Dont do too much worldbuilding or you'll write yourself into a corner. Keep things open ended so both you and the audience can have more room to work with. The best settings are created as you write them.
This isn't even comic specific advice this is just writing fiction in general.

can I have some feedback?
https://tapas.io/episode/2534058

Do westoids have circles or some sort of equivalent?

>>6062713
No

I'm trying to understand the process of making comics/manga, I just made this page

>>6062855
You forgot the dialogue

>>6062855
I like the values. I think there too much empty space were it does look weirdly empty but you did a good job in hiding the face using the textured backgrounds.

How long did it take you to do it?

>>6062713
Not really. Where's the emotion? Read some eromanga and copy.

>>6062827
Many spelling and grammar mistakes. The typesetting is pretty bad too. If you want people to read your comic, people have to be able to read your comic.
Please don't throw in memes in place of jokes. They suck all the humor that could be there right out.
And what the hell kinda names are Kurene and Sign?

>>6062829
Not until you start one.

>>6062855
Don't stop at just one.

>>6062829
I think I know a few r34 loli artists that have something similar to that, but is not really a official circle, they just get together and do comics and post in those big hentai collections.

I saw and thought it was pretty fascinating stuff, probably built around the idea but still neat that someone is doing something like that. God know normal artist wound't bother and the only ones would care are latinos loli artists, make sense they lead the genre around here.

Ages ago furry artists would do the same, I think I found a few collections on panda and a few archieve sites of stuff from 2000 to 2002 that were basically shit 2000's hentai but with furries, I think they used to sell on conventions. But knowing how people on the US deal with this sort of stuff I'm not surprised it didn't lasted like it did on japan, since they probably got in to trouble halfway trough with drama with people who had a problem with that and so on. Even the scans got deleted in a few archiving websites because it was "porn". (they had other pornographic stuff in there, but this was actually kinda sexy and not weird comix ranch scat porn" so a lot of people complained.

>>6062902
Oh, I forgot but when my little pony exploded I also saw a few artist doing exactly that I'm pretty sure they had legit circles. And the stuff was good, I mean really really fucking good. I'm always chocked by the quality of the work bronies just casually trow around, I don't think I ever seen a collection of consistent good colored artwork in anything. SFW or NSFW.

Since the stuff died it died with it as you can imagine.

>>6062877
thanks, took me the weekend and a few hours tonight, some part of the time was to understand how to use the tones and frames on csp

I also got this feeling of emptiness but only now I had the idea to look for this thread,
I'm looking at the OP to see if I can find more information, as anything about creating manga digitally here in the west is pretty rare

>>6062890
I really enjoyed making that page, I intend to continue

>>6062909
3 or 2 days per page is not that bad. If you aim to do only nsfw one-shots like most hentai artis I would polish a lot more but you are above average on most attempts I've seen of people trying to do that. If you can deliver a consistence number of pages you could find some success.

Is not great, solve the empty of the pages and maybe and improve on polishing aspect if you want me to give any certanty in what I'm saying here, but otherwise is an amazing start.

>>6062913
I really appreciated the advice, thank again

Panel I just finished :)

are there any guides on what "sounds" I should put in my panels?

>>6063501
Are you really trying to use Japanese sound effects? Don't mix that with English dialogue please

>>6062361
>I also only read manga so I'm confused why the art quality on even the most popular webtoon series is so low.
This is due to the way Webtoons as an industry has developed. The speed of release rivals that of weekly manga, but webtoon creators are expected to do a similar page length with no assistants AND in color. It's just simply not enough time to make something that looks really good. Just one good color illustration will take most artists a few days to a week to finish. Then you get into the cycle of cramming out work and not having enough time to spend doing studies from observation/learning new techniques and your art will not get technically better. There are exceptions but art-wise webtoon artists are pretty straightforward about cutting as many corners as possible.

>>6062829
I took on the writer role in a circle with a few friends but I quietly stepped out after our first release. There was too much ego-stepping-on-ego stuff going on and the weaker artists wouldn't back down when the better artists had better ideas for paneling, comps, etc. The release was quite high quality-wise but it took a lot of tard-wrangling and felt more like a school group project. Western comic artists in particular are not used to working with other artists and I can see why not many Western circles exist now.

When mangaka use textures and patterns like on this page for the robe, where do they get the patterns from and what are the laws for using them? Am I allowed to just scan a piece of origami paper and use the r84gmpattern on it?

>>6062579
hurry the fuck up then so I can study from it

>>6063601
the pattern looks hand-drawn to me.
But, to answer you question, make sure it's in the public domain

>>6063654
Very high praise, thank you anon.

>>6063501
https://www.japanpowered.com/anime-articles/manga-sound-effect-guide

I'm struggling just to finish my first draft

Is making random short 1-4 page comics actually profitable or no?

>>6064627
If you're getting paid to make them then they are profitable.
Don't mix japanese with english dialogue.

>>6061407
>>6061408
So, you just submit your finished work?
What else do you do?
What else happens?

>>6064697
most ask for just a sample of finished art, an outline of the story, and a cover letter

Olo, I just wanted to share the comic (Opposites in Disguise) that I'm working on with a writer friend of mine to show the progress of my art skills as the chapters go by (I made it my goal to improve the art of our comic with each succeeding chapter).

I also use the comic as a way to hopefully inspire others that they'll improve and get better as long as they commit and dedicate themselves to the art grind. Cheers lads!

>>6064858
Ah yeah, forgot to add that the left side are panels taken from Chapter 0 and Chapter 1 whilst the right side are panels taken from Chapter 19 (The most recent chapter).

What is yours favorite period of manga regarding influences for panelling/character design/art direction and story concepts? Mine is probably mid-80s to late 90s. Even in something not technically excellent like Saint Seiya you can tell the actual art direction itself is unironically top tier (as proven by Shingo Araki and the anime adaptation).

I find most 2010+ art directions and concepts in modern popular manga fairly uninspired or unappealing, and I feel like a lot of them are just copying off old series without thinking of what made them great. There are some exceptions to this like Made In Abyss, which probably has one of my favorite world building in manga, but still.

>>6064940
Most of my favorite manga are from different (and relatively recent) periods in time.

>>6064627
what's the point in putting japanese dialogue when you clearly don't speak the language?
Google translate can only get you so far

>>6065026
I'm learning it

I am having a terrible time, and last week I decided to write down all my thoughts and make a comic book out of them (similar to Kobi Nagata's manga).
I finished the written part (which of course I'll go revise later) and meanwhile I'm building up the graphic side

I would like it to be published by a publisher in my country, let's see

>>6063032
Love it.

My style is a big smudgy. Here's from the comic I'm working on.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/4660569

>>6062361
>I also only read manga so I'm confused why the art quality on even the most popular webtoon series is so low. Is everyone just pumping out the lowest quality stuff to get as much ad revenue as possible?
Honestly I think alot of it is down to it being easier to get into. With manga traditionally you need to find a publisher, editor, etc so someone else has to gamble on printing your work over someone else's. It means only the cream of teh crop get printed, while in alot of webtoons you can publish damn near anything and just let the audience decide what gets popular.

One would think that means that webtoon would probably be more sold on overall quality but with the amount of horrendous dogshit manwha we see slugged around that just isn't the case.

>>6065942
You need to be over 18 to post here.

>>6066185
I am over 18. Why do you think I'm not.

>>6062713
Nope, by far, with that kinda art you either go full fetish, so people don’t even care about the quality, or die ignored

>>6063501
you're not japanese

>>6062882
This.

>>6066187
You just need to work on your figure drawing more.

I was on vacation during most of the last threads run time. things have been real slow since I have to focus on commissions. here's some work I've done.

>>6067234
VERY cool anon, what's your software/hardware setup?

>>6067411
XP-Pen artist 22 pro, I want to replace it soon cause the tabmate hurts my hand and but I need buttons.
Clip Studio Paint.
I'm learning blender for 3d work since a lot of locations I used to use as photo reference I no longer have access to.

AMD ryzen 7 3700x
16gb ram
RX 580

lots of parts from older PC builds. the cpu was an upgrade a buddy of mine gave me for cheap.

>>6067417
nice nice, it's good to know that XP-Pen is holding up for people using it professionally, i'm in the look for some cheaper screen tablets
what are you looking to replace it with?

>>6067452
probably a huion. i hate xp-pens well, pens. they break too easily.

>>6067417

What's your art socials anon?

What file size do you guys work in? I tried 3400x4800 but it seemed too big to confidently make the lines that I wanted to make with my tablet, but then I started drawing on 1114x1600 and found much more success and control.

>>6067827
Default A4 size, 210x297mm

really struggling with drawing vegetation

>>6062417
This is something I'm curious about as well. Viz is apparently taking western manga submissions, but their other 'original' series look like 'how to draw manga' dogshit for teenage girls. Silent Manga Audition is supposedly a pathway for international manga talent, but I have no idea if people from abroad have actually found work through that. Even Image is basically just paying to have their logo at this point and they have some crazy rules like you having to front the printing cost, and if the book doesn't sell well enough, you have to pay them even more money.

Then there's a fairly lively indie comics crowdfunding scene on kickstarter and indiegogo, but that crowd seems to be almost entirely comprised of people nostalgic for 90s western comics. There are some manga inspired things on there but it doesn't seem like there's really a community around them?

I dunno if the best option at the moment is just to self publish and try to make money from patreon or from merch?

After a break of several months, I'm on it again. Thoughts?

Tried using clip studio paint and what a fucking nightmare it is to use.
My tablet is small so that probably has a role in how hard it is to maneuver around it but the brushes all fucking suck.
I've been using kritas smooth pen which is fucking amazing to use and I cant stand the G pens inability to draw stably.
I guess I've got another 30 days to find out if its worth the $220.
Its reminds me of when I first started learning how to draw digitally and how all my lines were more chicken scratchy and uneven then they are now.

>>6068402
what do you think about using a tone for some simple shadows, and a different font?

I'm getting close to launching chapter 12, and launching a patreon for devils moon so i'm working on rendering concept art and creating additional content for it. my assistant dug through discord DMs finding old WIP stuff. I'm working on pages like these that tell stories when just the concept art doesn't paint a full picture.

>>6067673
you can read devils moon here:
https://devilsmoon.cfw.me/

for manga updates and sfw ventures like youtube:
https://twitter.com/OtakuBasket

for nsfw ventures like 2d art and 3d animations:
laundrymomart.com

>>6068758
>a tone for some simple shadows
I see what you mean, but using only curvy black and white strokes is a stylistic choice, I think it fits well the psychological horror theme
>a different font
This is a nice suggestion, I use lato by default, but idk if it fits the theme. Which font would you recommend?

>>6068328
>but their other 'original' series look like 'how to draw manga' dogshit for teenage girls.
If you're talking about the Originals then honestly how they look isn't at all the problem (though they look sterile if you ask me). The big issue is that nothing is being done to make anybody want to actually check them out -- where's the promotion? Why release them as graphic novels instead of chapter-by-chapter? No hype or interest can build when nobody knows what any of them are or what their strengths are. All anybody has to off is a blurb, the cover art and the free preview on amazon, and none of the Originals make any effort to actually draw any readers in through those things. Viz already have a somewhat successful distribution method for weekly manga through their main site... so why the fuck aren't they using that to distribute and promote their originals? It's like they want them to fail.

>>6063501
faking your nationality is almost as sick as faking your sex

>>6063501
while I agree with everyone else and think you should really focus on making dynamic SFX in your own language, I'll provide some help.

Japanese SFX are made usually done in Katakana. a writing system used for loan words, and in your case onomatopoeia. Japanese onomatopoeia are fundamentally different than ours so direct translation wont work. find SFX lists or dig through your favorite manga. though remember in manga some SFX are used to set tone and less like actual sounds like jojos menacing one, the "DOOM" in one piece, or the "ZAWA"s in kaiji.

I still think it's more useful to learn SFX in your own language. if you speak English I recommend the essential guide to comic book lettering by Nate Piekos. it has a large section on SFX work

>>6069144
Not him but the mere act of using japanese isn't "faking your nationality" any more than speaking english is. If you wanted to make stuff for a japanese audience, why wouldn't you use their language?
Just throwing jp sfx into an otherwise english comic is mega cringe though, as is throwing japanese into an otherwise english comic. But that's not "faking your nationality".

>>6063032
I like this :))

>>6069119
I still think they look like shit, but I agree it isn't the only problem. It's like how Netflix is currently releasing JoJo part 6 13 eps at a time 9 months apart. Not sure if that's because of covid related staffing shortages or something, but it just completely killed any hype. I didn't even realise it had been released.

The model I've cooked up in my head, although haven't really seen tested, would be to basically release a one-shot / longer first chapter (45 - 55 pages) for free and then have a patreon for every chapter after that (probably with a cheap reward tier like $1 - $2 per chapter since it's pretty hard to compete with something like jump+ having weekly jump for only 2 bucks. I have no idea if that would work though and you'd still have to deal with piracy if you ever monetize anything I guess.

>>6066677

Is this style better???

>>6062175
Nope. That's Kenji Tsuruta's art, he loves casual nudity

>>6065933
>>6069361
Thanks Anons :)

>>6062827
Incredibly charming. Continue with your work but please conduct more thorough spell checks in the future. Also, colors are pretty important when it comes to webtoons so consider coloring the pages if you find the time.

Alright heres what I've made in CSP today.
Seems my poor 6700 and 1060 couldn't handle rendering such a massive page (I didnt realize I was drawing on like a 20k x 20k canvas so I had to shrink it down a shit ton to post) and crashed on me before I could save the final panel and some editing I did to the others.
But as you can see theres no consistency between "muh style". I like somewhat larger heads then what the 3d models were giving me so for some it was easier to just make larger in post and some were not.
The models are okay. Not the best and their manipulation is kind of iffy and confusing since it's not laid out the best.
I guess if I really wanted to hack my way into the industry and make money I could make cheap coom shit with CSP.

Are mangakas and the manga industry really inefficient or does it really take that much work? I know that Germans working 6 hours make more than Japan working 12 because of cultural reasons, like the fact that they see more time equal more dedication even if doing jackshit

>>6069435
You didn't change anything.

>>6070562
>20kx20k
The fuck?
>I had to shrink it down a shit ton to post
You didn't shrink it down nearly enough, there's no reason to upload a 5000x8700 image online pretty much ever. It should be less than half that size, 1500px wide at most.
>I guess if I really wanted to hack my way into the industry and make money I could make cheap coom shit with CSP.
Dude I've seen you post for a couple of years now and you haven't improved a bit. You need to draw a shitload more than you do now to have any chance of improving to the point of anybody actually wanting to pay for your stuff. I'm not sure if you're really stupid or just underage, but please pay at least some attention to what other people are doing and try to recognize what your drawings/writing is lacking. You still haven't stopped chicken scratching even after all this time.

>>6070591
It really is just that much work. How many germans do you see storyboarding and drawing 20 pages in a week, week after week?

>>6069435
No offense but your style looks like it would be a better fit for psychological horror manga

Trying to learn how to apply screen tone... kind of lost. Does anyone have any tips or resources on applying tones to characters? I'd really appreciate it.

I'm using Procreate but should I switch to CSP instead?

>>6070713
Cute. What problems are you having? All problems can be solved by looking at published manga and seeing how different artists approach the same problem

>>6070719
I guess I'm not sure which patterns to use... feels like I'm just picking them arbitrarily? The brush set I'm using has different half-tone sizes but I can't get my head around why I would choose one over the other.

>>6070699
Idk, the fact that they work with 2 hours of sleep doesn’t seem right, sleeping 4 hours lowers mental capacity to the the same point as not sleeping for 24 hours, so I thought it might be that they just4 have a really stupid routine, and if they just slept 8 hours they could do the same work with 10 hours a day, but they just chose to work all day

>>6070742
The handful of reported schedules you've seen aren't indicative of all mangaka. The important thing to remember is that they have to deliver a chapter a week, however they manage that varies by author. Some simply draw really fucking fast, others hire a larger team of assistants to spread the work out more, some find shortcuts, others sacrifice sleep. The actual time spent working varies a lot but the workload is basically the same (though it's lighter for monthly authors).

>>6070751
Makes sense, I know is a shit ton of work I don’t doubt that, my only concern is that if sacrificing sleep isn’t just a trading more time for less efficiency and if the trade is woth,but I guess gaining 6 extra hours must be worth whatever fall in efficiency they have, if any since I think the ones who barely sleep just take a lot of stimulants, so the trade in is no longer efficiency but long term health

>>6070726
>feels like I'm just picking them arbitrarily?
Not him but i hope that this can help you with that https://youtu.be/E1Il7S1dhDY

When inking, do you have a minimum brush size for your inking brush? The default csp pens can go down to 0 pixels wide

>>6071364
>When inking, do you have a minimum brush size for your inking brush?
Yeah, generally. Sometimes I'll allow my brush to go below that for effect but I don't like have a little tail on every stroke.

>>6070591
Japanese mangaka are literally the most efficient sequential artists, what are you on about? At the weekly place the output is insane, you have 18 pages per week with fully realized backgrounds and character art. None of it would be possible without assistants. Just look at the credits page for any manga and you will quickly realize how much work the assistants actually take on compared to the mangaka. Horikoshi said it takes him about 2 hours to finish his part of the inkining process in a page, which is just the characters, speech bubbles, and important hatching. His team of assistants do all of the steps afterwards including black fills, screentones, backgrounds, and speedline effects. Fujimoto's Fire Punch looked more polished than Chainsaw man as a whole even though they were both weekly because he had better assistants during Fite Punch's run. Even editors are the ones who usually add in the dialogue as well for mangaka. Manga-making is a well-oiled machine in Japan and the reason why the output page and quality-wise is so much higher than other countries. Webtoons have the output but not the quality (lacking assistants, and trained ones at that) and some Western comics have the quality but never the output (180 pages a year is on the faster side for the West). Other countries often "fail" when trying to create their own manga series/industry because they don't even start with giving their artists assistants as they don't know how collaborative the process of manga-making is.

>>6069144
dude, what about all the English words the east uses?

>>6062890
>>6070510
Thanks for your feedback, I already fixed together with a friend the grammar and spelling issues. Would you mind give another look?

About the names, it is actually nicknames that will make sense later.

>>6062361
webtoon artists juggling the role of writer, artist, letterer, colorist, and editor not to mention a lot of them are young or inexperienced af.
I think they should drop the coloring desu but I think most of the audience associates it with higher quality.
>>6062417
I want to make a comic as well but I constantly ask myself what's the point if it will barely get noticed because it's not manga and webcomics suffer a lot. I remember someone said to just turn your comic ideas into an indie video game.

Where i can find some good screentone brushes for csp? Searched through eh and cgpeers and only find some caligraphy sets

>>6072181
It has all basic ones by default. You can get custom ones on the CSP store thing, but you don't really need to.

>>6072212
Default screentone brushes are randomised
I have infinite painter app on my ipad and it has cool brushes that just put ordered texture and do not over paint existed but only making it darker if you paint the same place more than one more time
So i thought i could get something simular for csp
specifically i'm looking for dot texture screentone

>>6062723
That looks super cool, I think drakenair sounds cool.

>>6071380
thanks

>>6071634
should i move to japan just to have access to assistants, or is it feasible to train assistants here?

>>6072234
Huh? There's no randomization in any of the screentones on CSP. Dunno what you're talking about there.
>making it darker if you paint the same place more than one more time
You can just paint in grayscale and switch the layer to a screentone layer whenever you want in CSP.

>>6072382
Oh you need to make screentone layer
I see ill try it later then

>>6072388
>Oh you need to make screentone layer
No, you can just change the layer effect to screentone whenever in layer properties.
You could also select an area and hit the "new tone" button, but that's slower and less efficient then just making a layer, dropping the opacity and drawing.

how would you guys approach drawing the forest? I've been really struggling with this for the past week

>>6070846
thanks anon, I'll take a look

>>6072505
Silhouetted, like this.

>>6072545
yeah, i was thinking I would have to redraw everything. I saw Junji Itou use this technique too, silhouetting the trees

>>6072597
It's a very common technique because that's what it looks like in reality. The night sky isn't perfectly black unless it's cloudy, objects will be silhouetted against it.

>>6072600
that makes sense. will give it a try

>>6072347
You could go to Japan and be an assistant for a while given you know enough of the language. Lots of mangaka take the assistant > mangaka path since being an assistant for a great artist can both teach you a lot and give your "priority" when you submit your own story to the company since they already know you. Murata for example was an assistant for Obata's Hikaru no Go and apparently learned a shit ton from Obata while working with him. Then he became the artist for Eyeshield 21. There was some white girl who was studying in Japan and was able to become an assistant on The Prince of Tennis so foreigners becoming assistants isn't totally unheard of.

>>6072674
I've thought of that, but are they paid enough to live? Also, aren't visas difficult, since mangaka / editors probably won't go out of their way to secure a work visa for you? I'd love to make it work, but I'm not sure how.

Also, I freaking love Obata. My favorite

>>6061405
So, one question I have for you fellow creators is, what do you call your work? or at least what category do you consider it falls under? I ask this because as I continue to work on my own projects, I feel like it either does not/cannot be considered manga( if anything manga inspired) or I dont want it to be called a comic, simply because I dont share the current mindset that the industry seems to favor.

Hell I dont even want it compared to webcomics/webtoons for the same reason I just mentioned above.

Calling it a graphic novel may come across as pompous and arrogant. But its the closest I can think of, in terms of the type of product I'm going for (think Thorgal meets The Incal Series, and a healthy dose of inspiration from names like Brom, Simon Bisley, Mike Franchina, Frazetta, Yoshiaki Kawajiri).

I plan to put up content every other week, so I thought maybe calling it a 'Graphic Serial' would work. I know this may deviate from the thread topic a bit but I'd appreciate some input.
Pic is some of my sketches.

>>6072896
Just call it a comic dude, jesus christ. Indie film directors didn't stop calling what they make "films" just because Hollywood was big or whatever.

>>6072907
You know, maybe I'm overthinking this stuff?. You're right, I think Comic should do it, appreciate it anon. I'm still unsure as to what socials to go with. Instagram seems the safest bet, maybe.
Maybe open an artstation page or something.

>>6072915
Post on all the socials you can for as long as you can bother to, then when you can't anymore just cull the ones that grew the least. You can't be picky when they're your only form of exposure.

>>6070713
Fug I don't know.

How do you write a hentai manga story without sounding retarded "Aaaah the sex magic is making me ultra horny ahhhhh!"

>>6072747
They used to allow it on a cultural activities visa but I guess not anymore because you’re getting paid. I doubt anyone would sponsor an overseas applicant to be an assistant and most visas available to you won’t allow you to legally work a job like that. If there’s a way to do it, I don’t know it.

>>6073618
Ah. I should add that I’ve heard stories of people attending vocational schools for manga and getting hired as assistants from school but I don’t know how true they are. As long as your language skills are up to snuff it seems feasible.

>>6073502
unironically read hentai

>>6073618
>>6073676
i guess ill just have to make it here, and then contact editors in Japan. Felipe Smith did this, I think. He got his break in Japan after years of comics in the US, then almost won a competition in japan

>>6073618
>>6073676
I would suspect going to Japan to study (even a straight up manga trade college) and then trying to break into the industry by either getting published immediately or doing assistant work while you study would be the safest bet. Or you could get a work visa for a different job and do manga work as another side job. I don't know the specifics but if foreigners can get work visas working menial animation jobs in Japan I don't see why getting work visas as a manga artist would be unrealistic. Especially so if you get hired by a big publisher.

>>6073502
Dialogue in eromanga serves one purpose: enhance the action, either by reinforcing the action ("you're squirting!" when we can visibly see the character squirting) or contextualizing it ("My panties are soaking wet" as the character leans in and blushes). Remember that and write the dialogue with that intent. And analyze it, if the dialogue doesn't enhance or contextualize the action then just remove it, since it's a waste of time for the people who bothered to read it.

>>6073991
Keep in mind Felipe Smith mostly got his serialization because that was the reward for the competition, and wasn't able to land a second. The bar for manga is already very high and if you're not willing to dance like a monkey on TV or only make gimmick of semi-autobiographical "I'm from x country and I moved to Japan?!" manga then the bar is going to be much harder to reach.

>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.
Interesting, could I submit my work as a solo artist?

I know that in shounen jump and similars the editorial itself matches artists with writters and even asistants, I'm not sure I could get other 2-3 artists to work on a pilot with only the promise of "maybe getting into the industry"

>>6072896
I just call them "drawings", I've never felt right calling my creations "art" for several reasons, I could call them "sketches" but I like rendering with only linework and often like giving my finished works a "sketchy" style but they're not sketches, they're rendered stuff so... drawings.

>>6073998
Because it’s the studios that sponsor visas for animators but it’s the individual artist for assistants.

>>6074247
I can relate to that , I've never felt quite right calling it 'art' or myself an 'artist'. It just feels so snobby, you know? I am mostly trad at the moment but I guess the rendering process really makes it a drawing, I'm somewhat afraid of moving further into digital but, its sort of a necessary step.
Do you also do storyboards for your panels or do you just do like individual illustrations?

>>6062428
Is this trad?

>>6062713
No. Disgusting.

>>6067417
What are those places you no longer have access to?

>>6074762
Yes.

>>6068402
Speak the Queen's English boy!

besides the 2 page spread. The artwork for chapter 12 is done. all it needs is lettering.

>>6074774
I didn't see this before posting but places like the outside of hilda's house was torn down back in 2020. and the inside of her house is my old apartment. I have a bunch of pictures of the apartment after I moved my stuff out but I would like to model the whole thing. all the way down to the stupid slanted door frame my room had

Kyoto 2022 got announced!!!


I think, i got the notification but i swap ot right away by mistake

How do I fix this.... I think it's mostly the values and color? Maybe the perspective too but it's not as conspicuous as the colors or values I think. How do you all usually balance values to separate characters from the background and pick color most of the time? The standard of colored webcomics sucks.
>>6072289
Thanks for the reply. I realized it sounds too similar to drakennier (the drakengard and nier franchise) although the original meaning was meant to be a fusion of draken and air... I might still go with it though, that or drakenlier (draken and cavalier). Meanwhile, draconair sounds too much like dragonair the pokemon.

chapter 2: https://tapas.io/episode/2541145

I will fix some minor things later

Weird Question, but would you guys agree that coloring your comics is easier than doing it all in black and white, manga style? I find that manga is very sophisticated in its ink-work and value and the more I try to emulate the style in my work the deeper and deeper layers I find in its complexity.

Trying to reach the same emotional impact that color has on the audience with b&w art is so difficult.

>>6061405
The kyoto invitation prize got removed this year. Not worth entering.

>>6076071
In greyscale, you can't make up wonky values with colouring. It's also harder to create low lit atmospheres with inking (even if you use screentones, they're pretty tricky to use right). You have to be very smart to decide when to cut out to black in order to keep scenes easy to understand to the reader.

Here's the author of Gantz drawing, circa 2013:

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22280491

Sometimes I wanna post here
So here's a real simple road map I slapped up last night.
The next two months are gonna be brutal

>>6076902
>tottori manga
Why i didn't new about this one, why it wasn't on the thread

>>6077199
I don't remember how I even found it, I found it a couple years ago and I've been doing it
https://www.pref.tottori.lg.jp/mangacontest/eng/

>tfw when you thought your story telling skills suck ass but people like your game pitch because of your story and art

am i going to make it bros? i know the games industry has lower standards for stories, but if real life normies really like it, does it mean i have potential? i'm very insecure about my writing because i have no idea what's considered objectively good. at least with art, you can visually compare it with a professional's and see where you fall short, particularly where the fundamentals are lacking. writing just seems like you're grasping in the dark.

>>6075818
Cool work anon, can I check out more anywhere?

>>6076145
>International contest
>Winners are japan onry

Are there any free programs out there with screen tones available? Not looking for anything fancy, just something that can do good line work and screentones.

>>6076145
Well honestly i think that's for the better, i doubt that they have actually could take people these last two years and with some places that are having another wave is more simple to do it that way, i mean if i remember right and an anon won a price last year, but then he never said that he went to japan (not that i remember i just saw him post twice, one here and the other one on /a/ but he never said that he got to go to kyoto)

Tried another font, as suggested

>>6078300
KEK

>>6076145
The award to visit kyoto anime sweat shop is for people ilving in japan, but anyone can win the contest and the hobo tier money prize

Which preset should I use for CSP for manga?

>>6077248
It seems cool and all, but i don't get how you have to convey the theme, i mean does has to be about stars or people talking about stars, or have something like that, geez this seems hard, but at least the end is 31st of august so there's still a lot of time

>>6078682
I mean, just make it something about stars.
I won't pretend like that's a great answer, but it just seems to be at the discretion of the artist
Last year the theme was noise, I did a thing about a guy hearing a bunch noises driving him crazy
The year before that was wind, so I did a thing of a girl fighting a big wind monster.
The winner for that one was a 4koma that seems to be a girl's tanabata wish getting messed up by the wind, so she gets turned into a shrimp

>>6062244
Genshiken

I give up on inking guys. It's too hard. Simple lines and simple colors for me.

>>6076425
I'm trying to draw this damn guy in a damn forest (posted above) and it's not working out. The whole comic is in a dimly lit environment. I can't get the mid-values without drawing 5 million hatch-lines. I'm not talented enough for for inks.

>>6079051
You quitter!

>>6067417
Still listening to Frederick, I see

>>6078300
>>6076145
probably due to chink flu scare

drew this today, i feel meh

The current chapter's rough drafts that I'm working on included animals that I've never drawn before because I've only drawn humans. So I had to break the structure and forms of the tiger down just so I can draw it for a few panels wew.

I'd say it turned out alright for my first time drawing it.

>>6069435
with those faces you might do kinda well on /lsg lol

It's pretty incredible seeing Yusuke Murata's inks
His work is so precise and detailed, you don't even need the halftones to see everything he wants to convey.

>>6079691
There's a lot more of his inks on his Twitter page and on Danbooru if anyone is interested in this sort of style

>>6078303

ibis paint for Android

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/4660569/artworks

How did France get a notable manga before America?

>>6079691
>>6079692
It depresses me

How to know if my comic should be in color or greyscale/tones? Picrel is the first page of a comic I did recently for a final (art school dropout), I did color this one and I can post if anyone wants to see

>>6080134
kek

aren't the moon runes supposed to be vertical instead of horiziontal if you're trying to go for authenticity? cause you'd stick out like the filthy gaijin you are if you don't even follow their conventions.

cute art though. could maybe pass for a 7 year old nip's drawing.

>>6080246

Wtf is a moon rune.

>>6080178
Because American publishers are too afraid to publish anything besides Japanese comics.

>>6080267
lurk more newfag

>>6080270
They should be afraid to publish American comics.

>>6080281
Why?

>>6080286
That was a joke, but I was implying they're not good.

>>6080246

Thanks! Im self taught I haven't been able to get any art classes or anything since they don't offer decent comic art education in the USA much. :(

What do you guys do with your manga? It seems like the only opportunities for Westerners right now are international competitions that come up once in a while or web comics.

>>6079692
I love Murata's inks but his screentones for One Punch Man seriously gimp his artwork. In >>6079691 there's already such a strong sense of value in the dress that one flat grey screentone would have been enough to "complete" the panel. Instead whoever did the tones added rim lighting with a clunky airbrush. This is why Eyeshield 21 is still my go-to Murata manga reference-wise, even if he's become more "technically" skilled since then. God knows how long I've been waiting for a HQ digital release of it.

>>6072505
Why is he roasting a furred rabbit over fire?
Is your character in-universe retarded?

>>6078706
Well, do you know any other year winners, to guide me a little bit more

>>6062579
Hey I remember you, you made picrel. Keep up the good work bro, don't give up

>>6081184
i'm just going to post them on webtoons and tapas for free. if they get enough traction or attention then i'll consider monetizing through patreon or something.

i don't expect any big money from it, i just want a boost in followers who genuinely like my stuff.

>>6080244
share color

>>6081184
Huh? The internet is hungry for good storytelling. There's plenty of opportunity to make, you just need to actually create something worth reading. This wouldn't be any different even if we had a publishing industry on the level of manga -- you still need to be able to make something that will interest people and make them want to read more. You just have less reach without them, and aren't getting paid upfront for your work.
And a smaller reach isn't the end of the world. If you make something that interests people and actually put it where they can see it then you'll grow an audience. It probably won't be growing explosively, but if it's good then you will grow. If anything seeing if you can grow an audience online without a publisher is a solid test to see if your work is actually up to snuff to take to a publisher if you wanted to.

>>6081280
Tottori runs a one panel category, though I'm not sure how to interpret it, the winner they noted there for the wind theme just looks like a burning bug repellant I think.
The noise theme looks to be a ghost with crutches wandering the street
There's a 4koma category, which I told you the tanabata girl one winning the wind contest as a whole.
For Noise they noted one about an old mam being made into a hero by an alien, all he can actually do is hear better though.
Then there's the story category
Wind noted one about a bear seeming to quarantine himself in the mountains, this is around the start of covid after all, and the idea that life is propagating in his apartment cuz he left dishes in the sink when he left. This one was nice, it's like, children story book style art
For Noise it was about a girl helping her brother relax by having him listen to the nature around them, since he's all shacked up from covid, going from just stuff like cicadas and birds to a whole orchestra of stuff. I'd say it was the best of them, it's real well drawn, from a Thai contestant.
When I'm saying noted it's the "outstanding performance award", which I assume is the best of the categories. Noise had another story category shown, for the "10th anniversary special award" also was one by a Thai.
Noise didn't have a grand prize winner.
These were the winners they show, but there's 9 winners from wind and 11 from noise. 2 foreigners won awards in wind, a Thai and a Russian, and 3 won in noise, two Thais and a French.
They sell books of the submissions that win and the final selection group, at some point I'll have to try and get them, though I doubt I'm in either one

>>6081609
keep in mind colors were rushed but I'll post one with colors that I took a bit for xd

>>6081693
One that were the whole comic was not colored in the span of a day

>>6081280
>>6081674
I realized you asked other years, not other winners, so let me try to be quick and continue
The 8th year was themed windows, won by a Thai, the winning work is about a girl smelling a guy making chicken from the window of a shop, and it makes her think of how her life is going compared to him, doing what he wants while she doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
7th year was miracle, the winner was a one frame, it's called Alumni Miracle Encounter, so based on that and the pic it's old colleagues meeting in the oddest way, one getting thrown out after an affair with a woman, one escaping from robbing a place and one depressed seeming to be about to jump from the building he's on.
6th year is travel themed, but the site doesn't have the judging table or the winners on display for some reason.
5 was themed with heroes and heroines, no one won the grand prize. One of the excellence awards as its called at this point that caught me at least is a 4koma about various folk tales, like Momotaro and Urashima Taro, another one is about a villain wanting to be a magical girl, also a 4koma
4th is themed food, the winner being a 1 frame of a slug daughter bring salty food to her slug mother in law
The first 3 years all don't actually display the work in a readable capacity,
3rd was friendship themed, only thing of note is that a Ukrainian won an award there
2nd year was "the world in the palm of my hand"
Won as a whole by a Ukrainian duo. Two Koreans won awards as well.
1st year doesn't have a theme on the site still, based on the imagery though it was about the sea. A Taiwanese won the contest, and it looks as though the Ukrainian artist from the 2nd year won an award on her own here. A Russian also won an award.

>>6081693
>>6081698
Are they only going to be flat colors? I assume no. But if yes, go with grayscale

>>6081754
Flat colors would probably be the best I can manage for now
Also still not confident in my coloring skills (picrel)
Taking your word though, any advice on doing screentones digitally? I saw a post on here a while ago on fixing the weird illusion they made when applied digitally and scrolled through/zoomed in but never screenshotted :l

>>6081784
>any advice on doing screentones digitally? I saw a post on here a while ago on fixing the weird illusion they made when applied digitally
Flatten the layers and apply a gaussian blur before exporting.

I know you never answer my questions but please, just once, anyone have good references on drawing explosions?

>>6082082
Have you tried looking? Plenty of videos and photos and artistic renditions of explosions. You could have just typed your question into google into of the post box and gotten better results.

Is there a way to hide the floor grid when you're rotating/moving 3D models in CSP?

Any tips on removing greys/colors/screentones from pages to study lineart?

I tried using "Select Color Gamut", but it was painstaking and the result looked nothing like the actual lines.
Messing with levels (darkening the lower levels, shifting everything else to white) gave me acceptable results but I've seen people who were adept with Photoshop get way better outputs.

>>6078343
Kyoto anon that won a prize last year here - yeah, they couldn't get me over there due to the COVID situation, which was very sad :'')
Don't listen to this anon though >>6076145, it's still very much worth entering. It's good practice, and if you win anything, cool people like Shihei Lin get to comment on your work :D

>>6082256
You might be better off just looking for artists who upload their inks onto social media like >>6079691 . I know the Dandadan author and the MarriageToxin author upload their inks often but not in the highest quality.
https://twitter.com/TatuYukinobu
https://twitter.com/Yozudami

That being said, if you're interested in manga making, twitter is really the place to be. JP artists use it as their primary upload site and often times don't upload their WIPs anywhere else. A bunch of legends like the guy who did all the backgrounds for Akira are on twitter and upload stuff periodically even though they never had an online presence before twitter. Once you follow a few mangaka the algorithm starts suggesting you a bunch of other ones you may have never heard of too.

Are there any good places to publish and keep comic online, for practice? Obviously webtoon could work, but I'm not huge on the format. I could probably stomach it if it's merely for practice, but I dunno. I'd rather not do Twitter or a 'real' social media.

>>6082824
comicfury

>>6082833
too many furries for my taste. Or is that normal for these more off-the-charts comic sites?

>>6082958
It is normal, anon. You just need to get used to it. Furries and lgbt webcomics rule this niche.

what are some good lineart to study?

https://tapas.io/episode/2544898
Just released my comic.

New mission, figure drawing and lineart.

>>6076145
>$78 USD prize for what is about a month or 2 of work.
Lmao. Comics really are the absolute worst thing you could get into if you want to make a living.

>>6083050
Wait until you learn about the japanese animation industry and it's normalized exploitation of young, anime-enthusiastic artists then lol

>>6079569
/lsg ???

>>6083036
I think I found a typo on this panel. Should probably be "Kid, you are going to make (me) rich!" . There's also a panel where the green hair dude / Haarb says "I was told you required me?" to the priest. imo, It would make more sense to say "I was told you (needed) me?", just comes off more naturally. I like it so far, Keep up the good work

>>6083260
my fucking god, how in hell did I miss that?
thank you anon!

I want to start drawing manga, which resources are good for a complete begginer?

>>6083719
As a complete beginner you should focus on just making the stuff you want to make. No matter what you do it's going to be difficult and it'll feel like it's turning out badly, but the only way out of that is mileage. Resources are a tool to bridge a gap in knowledge, but no amount of knowledge can make up for a lack of mileage.

>>6079388
good stuff. Reminds me of Taiyo Matsumoto.

>>6082379
You won some SMA stuff as well right? What was that like working with the editors there? Worth it?

what's stopping me from just copying poses from comics I like

The results of the last round of the sma will be out soon, i'm always optimistic until the end, but that's not something good to be honest, any advice for how to cope with this next reality check

>>6085548
Oh wow I didn't expect them to take this long, especially with the deadline of the next contest coming up in 3 months. I always wondered how people got around their storytelling without any dialogue/text. I mean I could manage minimal text, like maybe 1 line in 4 or so pages but absolutely nothing seems really difficult for me and keeps me from entering. Definitely one of the more higher skilled contests out there.

My confidence in my ability to create what I want to create without needing fancy tools has been reestablished. Thank you Suehiro, you're a legend.

Thinking about having to ink it all up afterwards takes the edge off.

i miss the alice anon

>>6083036
I'm reading through the middle of it and I've to commend you for your work. Also HOLY SHIT what a pieces of shit are the people surrounding the MC!

>>6087324
>>6083036
Finished it.

Man, that was pretty good. At first I thought it was going to be a sort of Galerians (the Playstation game) ripoff but it went on a more unexpected way. And the characterization was on point and made me hate the antagonists and like MC and his newly acquired oneesan partner.
Congratulations.

>>6076145
>that *
>the prize isn't even enough to cover a plane ticket to visit the fair
>the japanese finalists could simply take a train to the place anyway
Bravo...

>>6086502
what happened to him?

Dumb question but I'm curious: Are there any framing and camera angle terminology exclusive to manga? Any framing techniques that are more prevalent in manga compared to other visual mediums that you've noticed?

Roadmap here, I quickly tried to frame up my coming schedule
It's only so long cuz my dumb ass forgot the math I was using...

>>6061407
>>6061408
I'm looking through all these sites, and I've got to ask.
Is there any place that isn't filled with diversity nigs and fags? I'm black listed so I got into art. Apparently all art, comics, etc are also excluse to faggot niggers and "diversity", why is literally everything anti-White?

Is there any place that actually wants to make money selling manga with good stories or all they all failing niggerkikefaggot diversity scams like most listed?

>>6087501
If you are filtered by character designs (which aren't even that BAD most of the time) maybe you don't actually care about stories, took a wrong turn to /pol/ and ended up on /ic/ for whatever reason.

>>6086502
>>6087348
he got btfo because he embarrassed himself on /a/ when that red riding hood comic came out and got axed. a reasonable response would have been to express some sympathy that a fellow artist's dreams got cut short. but he was unreasonably jealous and envious it was published before his work and acted like hot shit because he was in touch with a shounen jump editor. then when people called him out for his attitude, he would say shit like "i'm going to change my alias anyways so i don't care" and kept shitting on red riding hood.

also he kept getting into fights with the anons here about how stories should be written and wouldn't budge from his position about how it needs to start with "theme" before world building and characters and stuff. a reasonable person would say it really depends on the story and person and just let that shit go and let people do what they want. also i think he had trouble accepting feedback and critique despite asking the anons here about it so he got sick of that too.

he has this recurring pattern where he thinks he is always in the right and has some level of authority despite having not been published or anything yet and not knowing what kind of people he is arguing with since we're all anonymous. his instagram profile saying "one day i'll be famous" kind of sums up his attitude.

desu i don't really miss him, he was kind of an ass. his art was nice for a westerner but wasn't really memorable and i didn't really care for the story.

>>6087508
I unsubscribed from all the streaming services for the exact same reason. Forced niggers in literally everything. Don't pretend this isn't fucking obvious that this is happening in every single medium at the exact same time.
Dumb blacks that can't read haven't suddenly become very wealthy fans of manga. Don't be such an obvious faggot.

>>6087511
Got any examples of his work?

>>6087535
i'm sure it's in the archives somewhere, but i didn't save any of his stuff because, again, didn't really strike me as anything that special. maybe some other anon saved his stuff.

>>6087537
>didn't really strike me as anything that special.
Read through the thread on /a/ and you weren't kidding

Really enjoying drawing with CSP's Real G-Pen. Makes me regret not I switching to this program sooner for manga making.

I just realized that Guptill's "Rendering in Pen and Ink" is different from the original "Drawing in Pen and Ink" that Guptill wrote. The life drawing chapter was taken out, don't ask me why. Probably because Susan Meyer, in the late 60's didn't want the book flagged or censored for nudity or anything, but still, it sucks. It's incomplete!

In an adventure manga, at which point do you think the greater world map should be revealed to the reader?

This is probably the most fun drawing I've had in a long time. I kept the line art clean which wasn't as hard as I though it was.

>>6087811
First page with something along the lines of
>In this world (Exposition)

>>6081674
>>6081705
Thanks anon, but now i need to ask where i can read them, i mean to know how to focus what i'm going to do too, also i'm kinda retard and i didn't get it, but they are 3 categories and all of those get the the same list of prize in each one or they are 3 categories and they all share the same list of prize

>>6082379
Such a shame, but it's better this way, although i hope that next year they could invite people overseas, besides the prize, the good part of that it's about the contact with the editors and things like that

>>6087811
never

>>6087811
Not the first pages, not even in the first chapter if possible. NO exposition dumping, show don’t tell.

>>6087511
Oh damn good to know. I usually only pass by in this thread because I like you guys so I didn't get the whole picture.

for the people who are really good at drawing manga-styled art here, like that australian guy whose name i can't remember and who scored a high place in SMA, why do you want to pander to japanese markets and become a mangaka that way?

i read a few webcomics on tapas and webtoons and stuff, but the thing that annoys me the most is how soulless and "western-looking", if you will, the art is. why not just use your artstyle to make basically western manga? you draw in that style but you make a story and world that very obviously isn't japanese nor is it pretending to be, because i've found that whenever i've talked to or tried to read stories about people who copy from other mediums or cultures, it becomes really difficult to read or comprehend that it's written by a person from that culture. i can't really pinpoint this onto any literary works or comics, but for example it's how you have foreigners who don't know japanese culture and see it only through the lens of manga and anime, whereas natives and even foreigners who have lived there for like 10+ years and assimiliated into the culture can truly comprehend and make art about that culture.

and i also know about that one artist who draws like a cowboy something manga that got shouted out by the author of dr. stone on youtube, i also can't remember his name, i really enjoy his work though.

btw i'm just a dumb tourist, i don't draw, so just keep doing what you guys do, it's awesome. even the art that is admittedly sort of crappy, i find a certain joy in those artists who draw whatever the fuck they want onto the paper even if they are technically not skilled enough; it means they have enough bravery and creativity to not cuck themselves out of their own ideas just because they're not skilled enough (yet!)

>>6088187
>why not just use your artstyle to make basically western manga?
It's literally what I do, but I keep the R-L style because I want to apply for manga contests too and mixing them up will just confuse me.
But I get you, I don't want to write about japanese culture since I'm not japanese and there's just some things that you can't get across if you're not. Like these forced "authentic" feeling entries that would have been way better if they just stayed with the culture they know.

>>6088137
>>6088147
I agree with no info dumping but don't you think that it could potentially be a detriment to keep readers in the dark for the entirety of the story?

>>6087811
Lord of the Rings gave maps in every book at the beginning. If you're going to have the characters do a lot of traveling, it's helpful to have a map for readers to refer back to so they can better comprehend the distances and relation to the physical world. Especially since you really have to make the passage of long periods of time for traveling an extreme abstraction.

Lettering dumb and boring

>>6087811
Don't listen to the show don't tell dipshits. put it on the first page like this guy says. >>6088344 when I made an adventure manga I planned and shared the map from the beginning. adventure manga need lots of concept work to be high quality anyway. might as well get the map out of the way

>>6088187
the manga you're thinking of is quickdraw
https://quickdraw.the-comic.org/comics/
I believe quickdraw is what we should all strive for our work to be.

>>6073998
Manga trade college? Could you ellaborate further?

>>6088104
https://www.pref.tottori.lg.jp/mangacontest/
Here's the list of the previous contests
Years 5 onwards at least have a link, "xth international manga contest works/award winning works"
That'll be the grand prize and outstanding performance works.
6th year for some reason has its guidelines, judging results and winning works all on one page, so the winners are just at the bottom of the page.
4th year just has two links, one of which is called winners

Best dimensions for a page?

>>6088483
Even if a couple of pros do it, exposition dumping is shit and yes show don’t tell is one of the fundamental skills a comic artist should have. SMA exists exactly for that reason. Leaving that aside.
>>6087811
Since it’s just a map you can pretty much bring it up whenever, just don’t dump a load of exposition on the viewer. A little should be fine. Show the rest through characters in your story.

>>6088637
I was arguing against the "show don't tell" thing because they were haphazardly applying that advice in a place it's not applicable to. It's not a "told didn't show" moment just cause an author drops a map on the reader. shouting "show don't tell" at every writing problem doesn't make a good writer

>>6088483
>>6088637
Hypothetically, let's say I'm making an isekai adventure. If the story is told through the perspective of the MC, and one of the objective is to create a sense of adventure through discovery, could limiting the information of the world be an effective way of achieving that?

>>6087811
I'd say when the characters begin their travels, but you can also reveal it later when there is more focus on larger events

You can also reveal parts of the map as they become relevant

>>6088187
>and i also know about that one artist who draws like a cowboy something manga that got shouted out by the author of dr. stone on youtube
That's me.
>why do you want to pander to japanese markets and become a mangaka that way?
Biggest comic industry in the world, most opportunity to do what I love without ending up homeless. I would very much prefer to make stuff for my own culture but you have to make your own opportunities to be financially viable. There are people who managed to do just that, but it takes many years of making and releasing the same project before you've built enough of an audience to make a living with it.
>but webtoons
I don't want to make a scroll comic, and webtoons are not proven to be financially viable in the long term. It's still a medium in its infancy and currently almost monopolized by one company -- not a good sign.

>>6088344
Lord of the Rings is Lord of the Rings. It doesn't have to be proven worth reading because it's already world famous. Some nobody's webcomic is not. You should prioritize telling an interesting story that hooks the readers and gives them a reason to WANT to see your world map. I'd argue there's good reasons to never show a complete map of your setting at all, to keep the world feeling large and mysterious.
>>6088677
Ultimately it depends on what you want to achieve, but yeah not overexplaining your setting should contribute to keeping it a mysterious. This can still be fucked up it other ways though so it's not like not showing the readers a world map is a golden bullet or anything.

>>6088497
That's high praise. Thanks.

>>6089070
>That's high praise. Thanks.
your work and posts have greatly influenced my recent pages, how I see the manga industry, and manga as a whole. I should be thanking you.

>>6089070
are you studying japanese?

>>6089104
I'm flattered, anon.

>>6089166
Not actively, since I'm tight on time enough as it is. I do, however, try to passively learn by reading manga/eromanga in japanese. I still need a lot of help from OCR and MTL.

I might have given the wrong impression in that post, by the way. I'm not pursuing a career in japanese manga, since I believe the cultural barrier is simply too great for me to reasonably overcome at this point. What I am doing, however, is looking to see if I can get an eromanga published. I believe this is a much more achievable goal, since it limits the language and cultural knowledge requirement significantly. I've tested the waters for this already by sending a storyboard for an eromanga to Mujin, and in response they told me (paraphrasing) that they liked it but that I have to finish it and resubmit it before we can further the discussion. So right now my time is split between commissions and that eromanga project. I've been doodling a bit lately too, just for the sake of drawing something that isn't porn.
Eromanga isn't my end goal, it's just better paying and more fulfilling than random porn commissions. My biggest issue right now is that I HAVE to take any commission I can get or I'll fail to make rent, which is quite stressful and leaves me pretty drained by the time I work on anything else. If I can land this publication with Mujin then I'll only have to put out chapters every few months to stay afloat financially, which gives me breathing room to work on the all-ages projects I've been brewing in the background.

>>6088328
no

>>6089186
it pains me to see an artist turn to porn but Boichi did the same, so I think it might be the right path for you

Does anyone have any content on paneling?

>>6089186
>My biggest issue right now is that I HAVE to take any commission I can get or I'll fail to make rent
doing this has drained me. 2 beast themed commissions this month. i hate it. I'm working on my own eromanga so I can at least go from fanworks to drawing my own characters. I don't mind drawing porn but I want to make money on my own stuff. not drawing hero aca girls for the rest of my life.

it took me so long but i think i made a character I actually want to draw an ongoing thing with

>>6061405
yo ive been using Krita, like it so far. What are the dimensions for comic pages that yall use?

im losing motivation in studying japanese y'all....

>>6089494
im using B4 cause I saw it in a manga book somewhere

If I wanted to make an anime-styled manga or comic would it be better for me to do the right to left orientation instead of the Western left to right? Since most people who are interested would probably already know right to left is normal for anime comics manga etc?

>>6089498
How about you going about studying Japanese? If you're doing textbooks like genki and grammar drills then I can understand why that would be hellish since those suck and aren't effective.

Just read ero LNs or whatever interests you (porn is good for instance in hooking your attention) with yomichan and or a texthooker and look up everything you don't know until you're good. If you get bored, read or watch something else.

Language learning, especially with Japanese, can be laborious but that doesn't mean it can't be fun.

>>6079692
digital screen tones were a mistake

>>6081204
everything just looks so much clearer when it's the ink doing the work and screentones are mostly flat grays for local values and graphic effects.

>>6090068
There's a lot of different kinds of tones on that page; dots, smudges, gradients, clouds. not just "flat grays"

>>6090078
Screentones with dots? The hell you say.

>>6089278
I searched high and low for manga paneling guides but came up empty. There are plenty of videos and guides for manga making butpaneling remains esoteric from my experience. Maybe you'll have better luck.

For general paneling/layout, "Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art" by Scott McCloud was helpful in laying a solid foundation to work off of. I personally used the knowledge from it to study popular manga.

>>6090068
>digital screen tones were a mistake
No, digital screentones are actually a huge step up from zippotones. They look identical in print while digital is many times faster to apply. Murata telling his assistants to use digital gray washes and airbrush erases doesn't change that.
>>6090298
The most common variety of screentone, anon. One might even call it the default.

>>6089278
>>6090393
As far as I know there aren't any resources that will tell "how to panel" because ultimately there are many, many, many "right" ways to do it and highly dependent on the specific sequence you're trying to panel. There are some small pointers scattered around but nothing that's going to change your life or anything.
Your best resources are going to be reading other manga and paying attention to the paneling. Try to recognize things that work and things that feel weird.

>>6090689
>Your best resources are going to be reading other manga and paying attention to the paneling. Try to recognize things that work and things that feel weird.
This, many times. The best teacher for me continues to be observation and experimentation. Making this crude 4 page manga taught me more than spending hours looking for resources.

panel featuring MC of my manga in the scene where he finds out he has been cucked

>>6089764
im doing ajatt, so i guess i should line up some javs

Day 1 comes to an end
I need to pick up the pace.

>>6091075
Oh nice, preaching to the choir I guess. Always trying to make it fun and not caring about efficiency so much is what has kept me going.

Also it definitely gets easier and funnier the better you get as it transitions from 'I'm watching this for immersion' to 'I'm just watching this and it's fun' or whatever.

I have not drawn or wrote anything since the 15th.

>look at those sites with indie comics
>every one of them has amazing art
>I'm never going to read any of them and get invested in the story
what a weird feeling... I don't know what to think. I want to make a comic too but it feels like cutting in line or something

I posted on Webtoon for the action contest, I would appreciate it if you guys read it ...lol?

https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/wandel/list?title_no=771583

Next thread doko?

>>6091394
thx for the tips, senpai

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