/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

/beg/ trap

>>6057210
nah

>>6057210
No. It's better than nothing, or than doing anime, but still no.

>>6057212
tis wat happen when no paint on life

>>6057212
I can hear that picture

Reposting:

I did both this and Dynamic sketching course by peter Han a year and a half ago and the truth is you get out of it what you put into it. Most anons here literally haven't finished it and will call it shit because they got bored and gave up. It can be said that DAB is certainly lacking outside of what Han initially taught, and there are simply far better ways to learn basic perspectives, but them quitting is more of a lack of commitment problem than a DAB problem. As a free program to practice so it's okay should you commit to it, but the Han course IMO is a better program and better use of your time.

Dymanic sketching is a 8 week(16 if you take a masters course) that assumes you at least have basic experience in drawing and 1-3pt perspective but are still a beginner so it brings you up to speed in drawing from life and learning how to feel the form, two critical fundies needed in getting good. DAB takes this course and sketches it for about 8 months (from what I've the average Redditor takes to finish) and the instruction gets more poorly directed the longer you do the program (lesson 5 onward). It ends on a completely half-assed note on its most difficult lesson and challenge (vehicles and 100 treasure chest) because the perspective wasn't taught effectively, and most importantly its advertised as a course for day 1 beginners when would only make them hate ever picking up a pencil the most because it's far too tedious for them. In short whatever skills Ishad has as an artist simple doesn't transfer into his skills as a teacher.

Recently started revisiting DAB DS exercises for warm up and it's still useful to me as an /int/.

>>6057212
why doesn't he teach painting this is actually decent rendermoneying.

>>6057210
Noone makes these threads besides irshad pajeet, creator of drawabox (a dynamic sketching ripoff).

>>6057245
So ideally as a pure beginner, do the mark making early lessons in DAB and then do the Peter Han course for the actual drawing bit?

What Peter han course and is it free though? otherwise DAB is good for poor fags is what I'm reading

>>6057245
What if I can't do perspective either?

it's unironically good if you replace lesson 5 by the weatherly guide to drawing animals, lesson 6 by sketching the basics by koos eissen, and lesson 7 by how to draw by scott robertson

>>6057278
Hopping from course to course is bad

>>6057251
Do The art and science of drawing by Brent Eviston and then decide what else by yourself.

>>6057286
omg ty for these life lessons uncomfortable, i bet you also have some cool buddhist quites for me

>>6057251
>>6057260
I spent a week or two learning 1-2-3 pt perspective the before doing DAB then used 250 boxes as an excuse to practicing boxes in proper perspective rather than drawing a billion boxes in a void. its far more efficient that way. Either way as an beg you should just copy/trace/draw things you enjoy and keep your studies as side thing. that's the only way you'r like drawing enough to do for more than 30 mins a day

>>6057309
That is what I'm doing.
How does one learn 1-2-3pt perspective? I thought that's something DAB teaches you?

lesson 7 filtered me

>>6057314
>I thought that's something DAB teaches you?
I remember ishad being a poor teacher when it came to teaching perspective (almost got filtered at 250 boxed and lesson 6 and 7) in his videos and found that framed perspective did the job best at teaching it

>>6057286
actually good advice

>>6057245
>>6057309
>>6057331
you sneaky liar, all you did was study Vilppu. I can tell in your lines and forms

>>6057339
my lines wasn't that good till about month ago lol anyway didn't pick up the drawing manual till after sometime last year but finished it. this was my art during my dab days

>>6057356
*but didn't finished it

>>6057210
It’s better than doing nothing and a decent starting point that drowns you in exercises also it’s a completely free program so obviously it’s not perfect.

>>6057210
only when you are not drawing, if you are noodling and doodling, yes. use it for practice but DO NOT do dab solely. Drawing isn't a video game. you won't level up. you wont gain XP.

>>6057309
> you should just copy/trace/draw things you enjoy and keep your studies as side thing.
Sounds like the 50/50 rule.

>>6057368
That's how I do things, it's a good rule.

>>6057245
Firstly, you wrote too much.

Secondly, what's with the dab fanboy cultists always coming here convincing people like this?

I have told you last time why dab was shit and now you instead of learning from it, saying it was the learners's fault.

Look at Irshad's art, look at 90% of his regular practitioners, you can see their art in his discord channel. And you can see how shit they became, how miserable some of them got and ended up giving up all and everything.

Stop recommending a shithole. Doing fun with a pencil would give you better art skill than doing this shit because you actually draw

>>6057210
Good theory but I can't watch the videos because the guy farts on the mic every 20 seconds.

>>6057210
Got board

>>6057536
you didn't read my post now you look dumb for not doing so.

As one of the only people currently here who finished DAB and Dynamtic Sketching I always make a point to recommend Peter Han over it because dab IS mediocre and a time sink.

Dab isn't bad because you goofs speedread the part about 50% work/ 50%play and that 250 box isn't supposed to completed in 1-2 sittings or because Ishad's art style isn't something that you would draw ( if you even draw at all) or people constantly drop and pick course in search of the magic bullet etc. Dab is bad because everything that wasn't taught by CCMA to Ishad is poorly explained and are piss poor exercises (100 treasure chests) that inflated time spent doing the program to 8 months long with little to show for it in the end.

I'm here to give it to people straight rather than continue parroting hearsay because most anon (even me at times ) dont ever finish these courses.

>FWAP
If you want to counter shill an alternative then you should post your work rather 'is coffee good for you' nonsense, that way people can make an informed decision about what advice to take.

What's a free alternative then

>>6057339
vilppu didnt invest hatching, god, you are such a dumb cunt

>>6057591
i didn't say that you fucking idiot

>>6057590
going to the video thread and downloading dynamic sketching

>>6057592
That whole post was pretty dumb on your part.

>>6057356
Anon plz enlightme how do i reach your powerlevel? How was your drawing progress a courses? Im tired of being a beg

>>6057595
Wait I thought the good thing about dynamic sketching is the direct feedbacks? Is it okay to just use pirated videos?

>>6057366
Then how does one even get good?

>>6057210
No.

Fuck I just started dab recently and was doing okay. At least I didn't waste much time and actually got the general idea of perspective (absolute beg when it comes to it). But I appreciate seeing this thread on time. Will check something else.

>>6057589
I don't read brain damage post

>>6057688
you don't draw better than one either

>>6057692
based

>>6057245
Good, objective review.

>>6057692
I draw better than your cult leader Irshad

>>6057658
But what about this, anon:
>>6057286
Dabbling is bad

>>6057605
my powerlevel is low as shit and i dont have the answers but for me i strike to draw alot, use references, always be learning, create things you like, learn to love the process, accept that art is a life low journey full of failure and success. you really get what you put into this and there not really any short cuts besides busting your ass.
>>6057759
you're really agressive for a someone with no work to post, maybe draw more then you can talk shit while flexing your art :)

>>6057784
I'm agressive, yes. But assuming I didn't post my work means you are really blind despises being able to sketch crawling creatures and a goldfish that doesn't have any record memory in mind since this wasn't our first encounter.

I didn't read your posts because your points are the same everywhere every time I talked to you.

Keep doing your dab, but don't say it was people's fault that most of them given up.
Irshad's perspective lessons were uncleared and left beginners with a confused mind instead of understanding, if it ever has any. It's ridiculous that you yourself don't understand this point and kept pampering newcomers to that shit hole as if it was a bible.

Last month I I talked to you about this matter and you ran away instead of continuing, but now you came back and nothing of your points haven't changed.

Why would I waste my time reading the same points with a person that has a pretentious tounge like that all over again?

>>6057356
>my lines wasn't that good till about month ago
was there something that particularly helped you improve your lines? I mean, aside from mileage which is a given.

>>6057800
I dont know what to tell you anon but the last post I made about DAB was in febuary which was were this text came from:

https://archived.moe/ic/thread/5930085/#5930350

You're confusing me for someone else.

>>6057807
i just starting practicing painting that's all.

>>6057692
damn

Is starting with Perspective Made Easy a better idea then?

>>6057884
Zoomers can't read books, it will kill you. Stick to dab

>>6057893
I'm not a zoomer, though my brain is definitely fried

>>6057895
I personally think dab + copying isometric pictures from games is a good practice. You can also play them.

>>6057784
>my powerlevel is low as shit
Thats really good af tho, what books/courses did you used?

>>6057899
There's not many isometric games I like. I guess I like Bastion, but not much else. Well I guess I also have Exanima and Project Zomboid

>>6057286
what if i take one path and at the end of it i turn around and check out the other to see if it has anything new

>>6057931
Isn't that basically what it says? If you see things through you will know for real if what you did was good or not and if the other road was better

>>6057212
first picture from him that i like

>>6057210
Not bad. It can cause burnout. So really be warned. I feel like there's more negatives compared to the positives, Like you feel like you know perspective, but you really don't know much if it (At least for me), The video lessons are boring, but the exercises really help. It helps with line confidence to. Give it a try. Worse that happens is you don't like it. I did the first three lessons, and the 250 boxes. The reason why quit is, that I felt like I needed something better. It does make you feel like you're progressing towards something.

>>6057958
What was the better something you found instead of Draw a Box?

>>6057210
I did it up through lesson 5, figure I'll just do Scott Robertson proper instead of the Great Value version
Honestly it's not so bad but it's an eight week course stretched into eight months
Definitely do the first two lessons though if you're prebeg, can't count the number of times I see anons shitting on DAB when their markmaking is for shit
picrel is from one of my DAB exercises.

>>6057210
didnt finish it. just the first 2 lessons. still do the exercises like ghosting lines before drawing, but the box grind never really helped. only thing i got from dab is figuring out how to better control my pen and strokes with the drawing from sholder, elbow, wrist stuff.

>>6057999
Nice trips. For markmaking, if I mainly plan on doing digital, should I practice the exercises on my tablet, or the pen stuff carries over?

>>6058053
Not sure, my digital markmaking is worse than my trad markmaking, so I'd recommend doing some exercises until you get comfortable with it

>>6057245
Pretty much this
Well most of /ic/ dont draw anyway and the ones that do dont hang out here for long

It's almost impressive how Uncomfortable managed to turn a course that's meant to teach you how to do quick structural sketches and get into the habit of analyzing things in terms of simple forms into his autistic unfun project. It's kind of funny how Dynamic Sketching encourages you to experiment with different materials and colors for fun, and DAB makes you draw hundreds of floating out of context boxes.

>>6057650
Draw, unfortunately. Draw a lot.

>>6057922
If i had to recommend everything id stay steven huston figure drawing book and dynamic sketching and framed perspective, and drawing inspiration from your favorite artist and doing studoes pretty much covers most of your basis. Good luck.

>>6058131
>calls himself Uncomfortable
>makes learning to draw an unpleasant experience
Working as intended

>>6058232
Bless your soul anon, thanks, do you have a blog?

>>6057286
Garbage advice.
You can take parts of different art courses instead of rigidly following just one without second guessing what you're doing.
At times, second guessing can be good for you though, especially when you think that you actually need to draw 100 boxes a day to get gud.

>>6059016
pyw

>>6059016
>You can take parts of different art courses instead of rigidly following just one without second guessing what you're doing.
this is how ic ended up being full of people with terabites of videos on their hardrives and absolutely no skills to show for it

>>6057958
In all honesty /ic, and https://discover.hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn , and the MEGA.
I felt like it gave me a better understanding on how to route what I need to learn. I still have a lot of work ahead of me. I still need to keep doing my fundies. I am way better now than when I started. I have a lot more to go.

Do you laddies think it can be done while also studying from a book course? DAB for the warmup/grinding, a legit resource for actually learning how to draw and the rest of the time doodling for fun?

>>6059193
Lmaoooo

>>6058131
his work is aimed at young people that have no discipline, improvement does not come from "fun," it comes from adversity
the "unfun" part of DAB is EXACTLY the most important lesson in DAB, especially for retards that think reality is a school assignment and that things stop existing after your slavemaster grades your paper with the funny good boy letter
you will never become proficient in any skill if it being "fun" is the only motivation you have

>>6061132
Dab is Asian high school level of math, you learn that stuff and is good at solving it on paper aka draw a box, but in reality you don't understand what you are doing because his explanation on subject was extremely lacking. The only comfort he gives only is "do not worry, just keep moving on" which is pretty much useless.

I have met people done the entire drawabox course up to the end of lesson 2. Do you know why the reason the vast majority of learners coming to drawabox having to stay there? Or move on with no difference in art skill, in reality.

You will, thus far end up being good at drawing boxes, but anything more than that that requires higher perception of variety of forms, you will fail. Dynamic sketching doesn't have this problem, but drawabox does, why is that?


How many professional artists that you have ever met that told you to improve in art you need to do the unfun part since forever? Like, at all? You can learn to draw the things you love, and it can be hard and fun at the same time. You won't go far if you can't find any fun in doing something. The works you make will reflect after you, if you are soulless, your works will not sell, it will not attract no one.

8 out of 10 working artists that I met, have never started with drawabox. 5 out of 10 have started with Vilppu, some started with Loomis. 1 person saying it filtered out begs because dab is good at draining people and only one single artist that actually done the entire of drawabox and thought high of it. But mind you, that one man was a workaholic, he works from night till day and we barely even meet him. If you are like him, no matter the resource, you will eventually get better.

>>6061341
(Cont.) But if you are uncertain, no any kind of course or book can help you. To be able to improve anything, you need to put in the work. If you want to know if a course is good or bad, do not go around asking people, try it by yourself and keep it to yourself. If it works, it works, if it doesn't, asking if it's because of the course or it's because of you being lazy that need to be fixed.

i like reading dab's homework critiques because they point out things i sometimes miss but i don't see the point in its gay ass grind. in the course of studying perspective, studying cubes, practicing enclosing your subjects in bounding boxes as you sketch them you will have done your 250 boxes (and more) that are ACTUALLY not out of context and make you want to kill yourself

>>6057286
If you don’t get the purpose of an exercise it means that the course is badly designed just like DAB. In the first part of DAB you learn how to draw a box, but instead of expanding on that to draw a house for example you’re suddenly drawing textures which requires a completely different understanding. So if you’re a complete beginner you should stay the fuck away from DAB.

The poo doesn't really explain himself too well but I'm not having any trouble so far, it's fun actually.

If you're low IQ AND /beg/ I wouldn't recommend it and there's probably better resources.

>>6061132
His work is aimed at retards with a MMORPG mindset that tells them that if they're having troubles with something, grinding is the answer. The core of the course is the same in both DS and DAB, you have to do plenty of homework in both. However, on top of doing your homework, DS encourages trying new things and seeing what works and what doesn't, something that's actually very important for an artist, since this is where the real creative 'adversity' lies - experimentation and analysis. DAB's unique addition to the course are its challenges - doing hundreds of boxes, cylinders, car tires and chests, which is just pure grind.

Never played an MMO, I just love boxes

>>6061341
vilppu is not for actual beginners that have never drawn anything in their life, i'm not even going to start an argument about this, if you disagree you are simply wrong, same for loomis, both rely heavily on the student's ability to copy effectively, which is something most beginners can not do because they cannot judge proportions visually
>Dynamic sketching doesn't have this problem, but drawabox does, why is that?
because everyone that does DAB skips or unattentively skims through lesson 0 and they all ignore the 50% rule, modern people think short sentences that are not repeated are not important(loomis has this "problem" too but i actually blame him for it because he makes almost no effort to structure his ideas, his writing is very stream of consciousness)
this is ranjesh's fault for coddling retards that "hate reading," which acts to poison the entire philosophy he's trying to present, and it literally goes against what he's trying to teach by shooting himself in the foot by being (((inclusive))), not going to argue that that isn't a horrible, horrible idea, DAB is not perfect, no course is
>How many professional artists that you have ever met that told you to improve in art you need to do the unfun part since forever?
everyone I've known in my own life that had latent talent for drawing only drew for fun, and none of them have improved at all, and i have noticed that none of them can even tell that their work has major flaws as they get older, they have not improved in 20 years, any of them, some have lost the ability to draw entirely
>You won't go far if you can't find any fun in doing something.
and you won't go far if you are not prepared to deal with the fact that even after you've successfully created something that is emotionally rewarding, your next 10 drawings will still be dogshit that make the "good" drawing feel like an accident, emotion is not a good motivator, again, this is just a fact

>>6057210
Try it and find out

>>6061521
Played many MMO, I also love boxes

>>6062132
>>6061521
>>The mmorpg incels

>>6061581
>Vilppu isn't for actual beginner

That, I'm not sure if you have ever read any of his book and done his course. I assume you never done so. Vilppu isn't Loomis, hell, even Loomis could help you as a beginner, as long as you are not afraid to make shitty drawings, his balls in Fun with a pencil wasn't that hard to learn from. Back to Vilppu, They all rely on basic practice and actually putting in the work, just like dab. He states many times, that his course aims towards complete begs that love to start drawing from the basic.
Te proof is me and a bunch of my friend artists, if I'm wrong, then we simply don't exist. But that doesn't happen, so you know where this already went. Right? This is not about being wrong or right, it's about the reality of starting to learn to draw. The mindset that "I'm not ready for this" isn't something a prolonged artist should say, unless you are a fake one, because he knows too well as an artist, only in trying and failing could you be able to learn from your mistake. Don't try to start an argument when you have never given anything other than dab a try.

>unfun fun
You really think that one artist I mentioned and I respected him to be having fun when he was a crap until he got good? He put hellish of work to get to that point. You shouldn't try to argue without even spending time reading the full context. This is a conversation, not argument, not a game to see who has the edge over any kind of rap battle.

Fuck it I'll give it another go. Last time I barely got to the second exercise of the homework. The guy says to not grind forever and continue to next stuff, but I think I'll start the exercises from zero again.

>>6063112
I'm actually having fun grinding with his exercises and applying as a warm up. My autistic brain feels happy making well straight lines.

>>6058131
I love drawing floating boxes though...

>>6063369
STEM brains are naturally NGMI

>>6063430
It's okay for me. But will you going to make it?

>>6063369
Probably gives you some extra daily sense of accomplishment too

>>6061581
>same for loomis
Err no, thats why the first book is "fun with pencil" begs think that book is a meme because it just teaches you how to draw in old cartoon style when the entire point of the book is teaching you that everything in made out of shapes and starting with cartoons is the Best way to understand this because cartoons are made of simple and obvious shapes, if you can deconstruct a cartoon character in its basic forms you can then do the same with more complex subjects like a real face for example, if loomis wrote that book in a much modern era the characters would look more like hannah barbera or even the bean face ones of today

>>6063504
no, beginners pick up fun with a pencil because it has the word "fun" in it, despite the book being aimed at practicisng amateurs looking to draw original, commercial works, the "fun" is dropped entirely after the first couple of pages
there is a literal legion of beginners that came to this board, picked up fun with a pencil, experienced severe existential dread because they couldn't do the "fun and easy!" things in the book, and then left never to return
i use the word "beginner" because "beg" on this board does not mean "a beginner"

>>6057539
Fucking kek

>>6057210
Submitting work for critique probably isn't. Imagine some cunty redditor telling you to redo a lesson.

How do I know if I have talent

>>6065047
If you have to ask then you don't

>>6057309
Im a shitty beg and I was following DAB until around the insect construction part and I had to move out of home and lost focus for a long while
thing is, I was ignoring personal art for a long while like a fucking idiot since every exercise from DAB arealdy took so much damn time so I wasnt following the 50/50 rule at all

after finally moving and getting my shit together I came back and just tried copying drawings to very "okayish" results but I honestly dont know how to improve as efficiently because it feels like my hand and arm dexterity are just fucked
I tried drawing from reference with also okayish results (as in, it looks like a drawing from a 12 year old high schooler) and I have no idea how to apply construction because it feels like DAB just tells you "learn hardcore texture in a single lesson now lmao" out of the nowhere

>>6063807
>the book being aimed at practicing amateurs looking to draw original, commercial works

Ah yes, practiced amateurs.

>>6066068
this image made me seethe
god I hate loomis

>>6061581
>both rely heavily on the student's ability to copy effectively, which is something most beginners can not do because they cannot judge proportions visually
I have this exact issue, I get extremely stressed out in almost every beginner exercise I've done because the proportions end up being fucked on whatever I'm copying to the point of being unsalvageable. What would you recommend to help with this?

>somehow read and watch through his lesson 0 videos
>enthusiasm quickly plummets as I get closer to the homework section
ngmibros where we at

>>6066180
Have you heard of the krenz copy meme?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw
Just watch until around the halfway mark of the video.

Started again, but god I'm such a retard. I've bought 6 Sakura Micron pens that are 0.20mm that are totally unusable for this. What are such small pens even used for

>>6066430
Just use a random ballpoint pen. It honestly doesn't matter.

>>6066432
I'm just sad about wasting money.
I've already got some Snowman 0.5 fineliners. I was just sketched out because they might not be a genuine Japanese product, so I decided to get a brandname when I saw them.
Fuck, the Snowman ones aren't even that bad either.
tl;dr I'm a consumerist faggot

>>6066430
trad drafting.

>>6066468
Like engineering drawing, right. They did seem to work nice with a ruler.
Also seems like they could be useful when I go through that Perspective Made Easy book.

>>6066344
Why is that a meme?

>>6066344
I actually appricated Vilppu after trying Krenz
>>6066750
You don't need to copy things accurately to draw good. I would say I did gain something trying Krenz's way of copying, but in the end it's Vilppu and basic form practice was what I think helped me the most

>>6066430
get a small wacom cheap drawing tablet
digital art gives you everything youd want for half of the needed dexterity

>>6057210
The creator is a shit artist, do you want to “learn” from a mid beg artist?

>>6066750
Because months ago this video was heavily promoted here to such a point where people started calling it a meme. For me Krenz is the only one who helped me understand how to render anime but unfortunately not many can understand Chinese

>>6066787
His works are good tho and the course is free.
https://www.instagram.com/mostuncomfortable/

>>6066778
I've got a Huion 1060+, it's super nice IMO. Today I had the most difficult time with the other 50%. I've done the few minutes of mark making, but somehow I didn't feel like drawing for fun today. I should force myself to fuck around on garyc or something

>>6065934
high school starts at 14 bro

>>6066986
bruh.... did they make you repeat 2 years in kindergarten?

>>6066986
yeah yeah sure but you get the point

The guy running it isnt an artist, just a grifter. Do peter hans dynamic sketching, its in a mega here in a video course thread.

>grifter
>it's free
?

>>6067086
lol, lmao

>>6067149
lmfaoooo i didnt even know wha tnumbers he pulls exactly hahahahaha. Permabegs are a biiig businessss. Drawabox, cgma, nu masters academy,all pull big bucks off of ngmis.

>>6067198
The absolute state of art grifters.
But no one will tell you to just draw.
"No goyim don't follow artistic traditions, spend $100 a month in "learning" material instead."

I hate art grifters so much its unreal

>>6067149
>9000+ usd to filter permabegs from art
I take back every bad thing i said about irshad, this man fucking won.

>>6067198
Is new masters for ngmis? i learned a lot from them

>>6067268
Idk desu, only saw steve huston head drawing from video course thread and it was so and so. Cgma on the other hand torture people like embodied josh by not refunding them their money and telling them they are too invompetent to follow the course they enrolled and to come back later.

>>6067274
Yeah it was the huston video that helped me the most

>>6067268
There's some Vilppu stuff on there, no?

>>6059193
Holy kek

>>6057339
>you sneaky liar, all you did was study Vilppu. I can tell in your lines and forms
unironically thinks you can't learn and apply concepts from two different sources.
ngmi

>>6067204
literally the second page the course explicitly states that everyone doing the course must spend at least as much time drawing as they do on the exercises you mindless, waterheaded clucking fucking hen that is also a nigger
every single fucking time, every single fucking thread, with these subhuman fucking NPC niggers literally producing pointless, thoughtless, pretend-communication noise and posting it on the internet like a fucking cockroach pissing pheromones into the wind oh my fucking stars and stripes

>>6057210
read the exercises and try to apply it to your anime waifus, like elipses for the boobs, your pokemon waifu has straight lines in her hair, the arms are cilinders on perspective, etc
just do the exercises on top of your waifus it will help you see the meaning of everthing, the relationships of everything, or else you are gonna hate it, end up hating drawing and end up crabbing on /ic/

>>6067149
>9k
I didn't like DAB but good for him. I remember 2 years ago, his patreon was only at $1.5-2k

Most people itt have never even tried Draw A Box

Here is my hot take:
Yes, only lessons zero through one is worth it. Other parts are shit and directionless.

Learning how to control your pen, draw boxes, and cylinders are highly important for art progress.

Overview of the whole course:
Anything after lesson 1 is basically shit and doesn't need to be done. The course name is basically the only real useful part which is learning how to draw 3d forms correctly. This will get you out of the beg area pretty fast compared to other begs if you learn how to do the foundational fundie which is 3d form. People who state it is boring and drags on miss the point is not a grind fest since it is trying to teach you good skills.

Will it improve your work if you did lessons 0-1? Yes, I think it will, a lot of people struggle with symbol drawing at the start of drawing and it takes years of getting away from that for most people. You can get away from it with form. Is it boring? Yes, if all you do is DAB you will be bored of your mind. It is useful considering that even riot artists suggest doing the course.
Is it for everyone? No, of course not. Some people won't click with it at all. It is worth at least doing pencil exercises if your lines are garbage.

>>6070241
>just do lesson 1 bro
drawing lines boxes and beans isn't going to get people out of beg you nig. this thread really is full of begs that quit dab at the very beginning.

>>6057210
I am convinced "Draw a box" is a ploy to sell art materials.

The guy running the site claims he also does digital, yet his lessons outright refuse to check ANY homework they assign after chapter 1 with anything that isn't "muh pen from an art kit".
That and how all the ads aggressively promote art kits kind of gives away they have an agenda.

Why the fuck not just allow digital?

They claim it's because digital has ctrl-Z so it's bad for beginners. If that's their reason why they don't allow pen either?
They don't want art with pen either even if you can draw with it and it's a valid tool (as seen on pic here from an artist), you MUST buy the special pencil art kit if want any kind of feedback from them after chapter 1. The whole site feels like an excuse to sell art kits.

>>6070594
dude's indian, of course he's a scammer.

>>6070594
Get an office supply grade gel pen like the ones papermate and pentel makes and be done with it. With ballpoint you can build of the lines( ruind the point of confidence building) and fineliner are universly dogshit because you'll wear down the tip well before you ever use all of the ink.

>>6057939
I hate his art like you wouldnt believe.

>>6058131
He dimply added as many gimmicks as possible to hide the fact that DAB is a dynamic sketching ripoff. He even now adresses that in his new videos, guilt is eating him.

>>6067149
The patreons are for those that want to get feedback because posting on reddit or his server is unreliable.

It's really good at ruining motivation to draw. It becomes this chore you need to do every day for 30mins to an hour before you get to your actual drawing. I end up procrastinating because I don't really want to do it

I'm getting told so many different things about where to start as an absolute beginner that I'm not actually drawing. I just don't want to waste my time or learn bad habits. I think I'm just gonna pick up The Art and Science of Drawing and go from there

>>6073290
you cannot "skip" bad habits and you should not listen to people that have been doing a thing for 12 years that then create "symbol memories" of what they think they remember about being a beginner; way more often than not, the best practitioners are the worst teachers
as an absolute beginner you start by just drawing, not by reading books

>>6073322
Thank you, this really helped how I see things.

>>6073290
Just draw. Seriously, that's the magic bullet. It doesn't matter what book you use, it doesn't matter if you're making shitpost memes via references, it doesn't matter if you're making fucking awful quality coomer art.

Create any form of art daily and you'll be making far more progress than most of this board as long as you don't intentionally stagnate yourself like that one anon drawing googly eye characters in the /beg/ thread for literal years.

>>6073487
But what if I want to get good at googly eye characters anon?

>>6073445
just remember that it's unreasonable for you to expect to complete even the roughest of "not absolutely wrong" sketches in anything less than several hours of pure strain that leaves you exhausted, cross-eyed and with a splitting headache, that means it's working, there is no other way, and it's going to be like that for months

>>6073501
you practice by drawing

bump

>>6075815
Why the fuck did you bump this shit thread instead of letting it die already. Fuck you. You got plenty of replies affirming that this is a piece of shit course and is not worth doing. What fucking more do you want you moron

>>6075819
sorry itll be gon for ever there is sum useful advice there are no more archives for /ic/

>>6075869
useful addvice? when?

>>6075819
It's inevitable someone else would make another DAB thread instead. Just let this be a containment zone.
And most of these replies are from anons who didn't even read lesson 0 and are just crabbing

>>6076186

Made lesson 0 and 1, except for that shit 250 boxes challenge from DAB and now started Dynamic Sketching from Peter Han and there's more exercises and techniques, I think I can combo both and make the best of it.
What Uncomfortable calls ghosting, Peter calls true up.
I'll stick with Dynamic Sketching.

>>6073290
Acquiring and unlearning bad habits is part of the learning process. It’s impossible to avoid so don’t bother worrying. Just keep going.

>>6067264
Why does that Irshad portrait look like something out of Disco Elysium?

>>6066344
>watch an hour and a half
Why don't you just put the thing into words.

>>6061581
Emotion is literally the only actual motivator there is for doing anything. Are you fucking retarded?

>>6067727

>>6077315
if you want to be pedantic and retarded about it, sure, but i'm not talking about neurochemistry and you know that

>>6073290
Literally just fucking DRAW anon. Pick up any beginner oriented course and get to work. It really is that simple.
Fun with a Pencil became a meme for a reason. The first dozen pages are dedicated to ease you into the idea of actually fucking drawing even if you're an absolute beg. But it's also subtly pushing you to improve, so you're not drawing the same offputting looking stuff forever like the many schizos you find online. For example, in page 16 loomis introduces a loose method of getting a 3D ball with nose to make those fun doodles a bit better, and in page 18, after you noticed placing features accurately in a 3D sphere is not easy at all, loomis tells you how to draw a 3D sphere and explicitly says "the better you draw these in any orientation, the better you're going to be". It's literally DrawABox's 50/50 rule applied subtly with a bit less handholding, in this case 50% grinding 3D spheres, 50% having fun drawing these easy 30's caricatures without stressing too much about accuracy (after all the sphere grinding will be the primary dictator of quality).After a couple more loose fun drawing and some lessons it finally gives you his human head method, which btw is a variation of Bridgman (many paths converging into the same result). And that's only the first 40 pages.

I'm just trying to show you how that book guides a beg's journey into drawing pretty decently. And that's basically what all methods do, the core of them is DRAW NIGGER DRAW. Just start instead of trying to find the ideal resource, that's a classic beg's trap alongside MUH BAD HABITS. Not drawing daily is the worst bad habit.
Each day that passes without drawing is +1 day away from drawing your degenerate futa doujins :^)

bump

who's the bigger fraud? the drawabox fag or Proko?

>>6079981
loomis

>>6079981
/ic/

>>6059193
kek
saved

>>6076186
>>6076204
lmao

>>6067727
This is the biggest cop-out ever because the audience for DaB is absolute, never-held-a-pen-before complete beginners.

"Draw 250 boxes and also draw whatever you want half the time" means absolutely nothing to a beginner, especially when you've only taught them line quality excercises and completely ignored observation/sighting.

>>6082949
why are you fucking talking about a course you haven't even read a word of? serious question, why are you literally talking out your ass?
yes, the most important thing for absolute, never-held-a-pen-before complete beginners to understand is that no matter how many fucking courses and techniques and exercises and methods and other fucking educational programs you subscribe to, your ability to actually draw will not improve unless you actually fucking draw, you can draw boxes and loomis heads and gestures until the fucking cows come home and you will not improve at all unless you learn WHY and HOW those tools are useful, and the ONLY way to do that is to draw things on your own, and there is no fucking course that can ever help you do that, because at some point you have to stop being an eager, loving slave, waiting for your master's whip to give you direction, and instead become an actual human being with internal purpose and initiative
you literally make me sound like a shill for this literal nigger because you're so rent-free disingenuous with your criticism

just draw, bro

>>6082986
based

>>6057210
The fragility of /ic/ where merely posting this image will cause massive mental damage