/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5245725
Please

Orc sprite elf goblin sketches

how can i improve this? this is my first commision

>>5245734
Her foot feels broken and panty looks thigh like shes wearing a pad or something, hands a meaty for a girl, the expression doesn't feel convincing neither are the wrinkles in the sheets. The bed isn't in perspective.

Posting a couple I'd like feedback/advice on. All pen and ink, one with sharpie (color), and one with acrylic

>>5245753

>>5245753
Acrylic and ink

>>5245755
Whoops that was supposed to be this one

is it good for no reference o_o ?

>>5245753
Last one

I’m becoming doomer bros
>can sketch
>can’t finish my lines
>can’t color
>literally no clue how to actually finish my sketches
How am I supposed to turn my sketch into finished products
I’ve just been looking at touhou fan art trying to eyeball how they went from line art to that

>>5245758
Also a beginner, but I like this style. Maybe play around with darker values?

Decided to draw something other than humans. You should all give it a go if you get bored from drawing a billion poses.

>>5245764
good idea n thank uu

>>5245753
>>5245754
>>5245756
Anon, I think you graduated /beg/for some time now. You could improve on the linework and the perspective of the tentacles in the first one but other than that there isn't much to critique. They are really good, especially >>5245756

>>5245812
Neck area has 2x the mass as the rest of the body. She also has no lungs. Her torso should curve inward as it descends towards the pelvis

>>5245758
Using a reference is good. Just don't trace. Improve your linework and stop doing scratch until your linework is good.

Question here
I have a 5.6mm pencil holder and 5.6mm graphite and charchoal sticks of various softness. If I want a sharp tip, a lot of sharpening is needed which results in a lot of graphite/charcoal dust. Can this dust be stored and used in drawing just like the graphite dust you can buy in art stores? Or does the art store dust have some special properties that the sharpening dust is lacking?
Feels bad to be wasteful.

>>5245816
Thank you so much anon

>>5245144
Pro just means you charge people money. You can be objectivelly better than a commissioner in a year.

Take helix jack for example. Hes been drawing for ten years but you could make better art than him in 8 months if you actually applied yourself.

This was the last page after another hour of gesture practice. Any general advice on mistakes to watch for in the future? I think my confidence in trusting single lines needs some work.

Feel a bit like I may already be hitting a wall and need to delve into proportion study sooner than I thought.

>tfw you realize for the first time that all amawu girl faces have slightly different proportions and if you just apply the idealized Loomis head or even the “ideal anime” proportions to every drawing then they’ll never look right
Jesus fucking christ.
So this is what people mean by “hidden secrets of the pros”.

>>5245741
You can’t improve upon perfection.

Would it be good to practice quickly sketching the same portrait many times until you get the proportions and angles etc. right? I'm thinking using charcoal to do just that.

>>5245895
That is what grinding is yes.

>>5245892
Learn perspective and develop a good sense of freehand 3D spaces before worrying about this kind of stuff, you need to know where to actually place things before thinking about how much they should warp for better readability.

>>5245901
But is it any more useful than 1) sketching a portrait and erasing and redrawing until you get it right or 2) sketching portrait #1 once, then sketching portrait #2 once, then portrait #3 once and so on?

>>5245905
I don’t get what you mean. “Proportions” is nothing more than “where to place things”. The distance from brow to chin, the distance between eyes and nose, etc, for this particular face.

Question : how do you add depth to things like bowls and smaller holes?

>>5245908
Both. You should go until you think it's right. Finish it. Assess where you want wrong then critique yourself and redo. You'll begin a feedback loop this way.

I keep everything and return to it about a week later and make some notes on what needs work next.

People don't draw things perfect first try, you'll always need to erase things. There's no point starting over every time if you're confident in head construction but shit at drawing noses. You'd be better off studying noses then doing another full portrait. Rinse and repeat.

I get that you're beg but you must know how self feedback works from day to day life? If it takes you twice the time to use one road you don't then use that road again. Drawing is like that, but instead of time it is something else - for most begs like us it's just accuracy.

>>5245920
Draw lots of bowls and pay close attention to the values. Don't begin stylising until you feel you've achieved what you want.

>>5245884
beg here, I think you are focusing on some useless details some times like why draw the butt cheeks, also you are drawing the contours sometimes too. but it does take some time to get used to ignore it.

>>5245741
Right click and delete

>>5245884
bottom left is the only one you drew the hips in. Hips connect legs to torso. The others you just connectee the ass to the torso.

>>5245892
All moeblob faces are literally the same. Once you learn to curve the cheek and apply perspective to the recess of the chin you could literaly use the same face for changes of face angle by 30 degrees. Its retard tier.

>>5245952
Thanks! I didn't really spot that. Will be checking for hips the next time I do this

>>5245741
>"Troubled?"

>>5245951
fuck you

>>5245963
based

>>5245955
Sure, but not all anime faces are moeblob.

>>5245972
They are the exact same on every anime image ever

>show cheek fat
>recess
>forward chin of mouth

>>5245984
This image has the exact same face as that one. You dont even need to know the angle, you just have them looking slightly sideways and ita always the same.

I did a coom

>>5245984
>>5245985
not all of them have fat cheeks. unless that you are complaining about all of them having any cheek at all or that all faces with fat cheeks have fat cheeks. which is just retarded.

>>5245747
Thank you for this, I'll fix it right away.

Any good tips on getting a loomis circle segmented correctly?

>>5246029
Watch Proko do it and make notes. Then practice it a few times using reference but don't go further than the construction until you think it's all good. Then read the text in Heads and Hands because he fucking explains it all in the book you dingus.

>>5245997
>Spit dripping horizontally

>>5246014
>triangle face variant for high framerate television
Nobody gives a shit about that one. Everybody does normal cheek fat. That one you literally just draw the chin at varying descent. You could literally draw that at different angles with one day of practice.

>>5246040
>he fucking explains it all in the book you dingus.
I should've known. I'll try to be less impatient. Hard to get out of the mindset that I'm going to do things perfect the first time when he's literally trickling in information as the book goes on.

Dissociative Identity here, hello and morning.
Could any of you please help me in managing their options, this "6 months anon" and I think it has been 5 months, they started on a very late August, so maybe they have been drawing for a shorter period of time.
I've been checking the advice provided to them in their threads, I'm not an artistic person myself, why is there such pressure on developing observational drawing?

>niggas thinking all anime is moeblob
Where does it come from? Anime's a medium not a genre. It's just fucking drawn Japanese shows. That shit can look like whatever.

>>5246069
If you're reading heads and Hands he writes a lot of the division within the first few pages. The text is as important as the slides if not more so

>>5246075
>b-b-but anime bad pixar good

>>5246075
There was a spike in moeblob SoL anime being produced a few years ago and people conflate anime with it, like how in the 90s they thought all anime was Akira, Sailor Moon or Urotsukidoji.

>>5246078
Head and Hands is on my list, but I'm not there yet by any stretch. I'm literally on day 3 and am going through Fun with a Pencil.
On that note is there a good reading order for the Loomis books? Head and Hands is one of the later books he wrote, but it seems to be for a lower skill level than Figure Drawing for What It's Worth, which was out much earlier.

>>5246084
Sure, but that's a really fucking stupid way to look at anything.

>>5245925
Dude, I know what self feedback is.
I'm asking which develops your skills more, the initial sketching or fixing what went wrong.

>>5246100
Neither will help more they are different skills?

>>5246087
I prefer Heads and Hands. Fun with a Pencil is too oldie timey cartoony for me I couldn't enjoy it at all.

The fundamental physics of Art:

I) Boxman's law:

Any shortcut taken (in place of taking the effort of learning the actual knowledge) in order to save time, will ultimately yield profit, at the expense of soul.

II) The law of Non-artists:

Non-artists will ALWAYS find well technically executed art in little time to be profound, amazing, magical or some kind of wizardry. (Note: Non-artists are apt to to throw around the word "talented" more often than is necessary)

III) The law of /ic/

Consider /ic/ to be a strange hub/bazaar/group that is part university, part ghetto, part insane asylum and part supermarket. /ic/ will ALWAYS find soulful art, (not for profit) to be good and will praise and encourage anyone who is committed to making soulful art. Any art /artist who is posted who is clearly for profit, will be torn to pieces. Do not expect anything else.

IV) The law of Schizos

Schizo art is a strange, almost TOO soulful art, at the cost of the person's ability to function (probably) and their ability to respond well to criticism and proper discourse. Reply to their posts at your own risk.

what is /ic/'s opinion on messy style artwork

>>5246111
ink it for fuck sakes

Trying to get a feel for this pose. No idea what I'm doing, obviously. Construction doesn't usually help me but I might try it in this case.

>>5246111
I really like it, but yeah Ink it, then show it to me.

>>5246111
Good for fast shading practice. Extremely bad if you ever intend to make a masterwork. Linework linework linework. Git gud at linework.

>>5246138
include ribcage

>>5246138
>Construction doesn't usually help me

God save us all.

>>5246142
Never.

>>5246144
Don't know what to tell you. For me, it just makes things look even stiffer and more lifeless.

>>5246138
Stop doing scratch. It is a crutch. Alternativelly, begin shading practice. One of the two.

>>5246148
Stiffer and lifeless than what you already posted? Have you tried studying the bean?

>>5245753
I like it.

>>5246155
>Stop doing scratch. It is a crutch.

Yeah, it's a bad habit that I need to break. I'm just awful at life studies and doing them makes me nervous.

>>5246159
>Stiffer and lifeless than what you already posted?

Yeah, if you can believe that.

>Have you tried studying the bean?

No.

>>5246162
Use ctrl z until you get the line right. Contrast connecting lines by either going in out or properly defining proportions.

>>5246164
I work traditionally because I have a weak PC and pressure sensitivity for my tablet doesn't work.

>>5245832
Cpuld anybody spare a (you)?

>>5246138
The bones around the neck dont descend inward that fast.

>>5246162
You would benefit significantly from some gesture sketching and learning about the bean. If construction is lifeless it's because you are lacking that rhythm which takes ages to develop. Seriously just do gesture and bean exercises daily for a couple of weeks and you'll make gains.

>>5246173
It's literally a bunch of scribbles made in a few seconds. There's no awareness of pretty much any fundamental here. It's a doodle. It's insulting to ask for a critique on something this low effort bro.

Go practice

>>5246175
Thanks. I'm not optimistic in the slightest but I'll try to find it in myself to overcome my moody brooding and desire to give up on life to improve my art even though I'm ancient.

>>5246111
Good, but often used as a crutch. The thing is don't shy away from using messy methods, like chicken scratching, but don't make them your ONLY method either. Practice linework and apply that too.

>>5246180
So am I. I'm at least ancient compared to the ages on here. I am also shit but maybe a few steps ahead of you in your journey. Check out Prokos Figure drawing lessons on gesture and the bean and spend some good time on those exercises. It'll help. The gains in art are not an instant fix. Construction only looks bad to you right now because you aren't hitting the wall yet where it is necessary. Raise your expectations of yourself.

>>5246067
>t-that doesn't count!
I see.

>>5246111
I like it, but only when it isn't made to hide bad forms.

>>5246191
If you cant apply loomis to literal triangle chins there is no hope.

What brush are you guys using for linework? I can't find any that isn't blurry or pixelated.
Also, what canvas size do you use?

>>5246173
seems like you spend more time posting it, than drawing it.

>>5246111
It'll always look shit unless the artist behind it is also a skilled and accurate draftsman. Gotta know the rules to break them.

>>5246199
work on a larger canvas.

Coloring is hard

>>5246199
Hard round. If it's blurry your canvas needs more pixels or your lines should be thinner. Work as big as I can get away with then resize after.

>>5246206
What happened to the lips?

Look for the slides in Loomis where he discusses the basic planes of the face. Or Google. Use this to help you find the values.

>>5246212
yea the lips look like shit and i am scared of the hair

>>5246205
Would a 3500x3500 suffice?

>>5246206
the left brow/cheek seem too small

I feel as if my skill has stagnated. Any advice or resources to help?

>>5246199
GPen in CSP at A4 canvas size

>>5246105
Looking at it it does seem to be a version of Fun with a Pencil but aimed at adults.
Can anybody confirm that's what Head and Hands is or should I just drill through FwaP first?

>>5246111
I'm not sure now, I just want to try a different style or something

Are there any useful resources on scheduling your own training?
I am at the point where I know the things I should be studying (everything desu), but when I get to practicing I don't know what to focus on and just do the same exercises.
I started going through some basic courses and books, but I always feel like something fundamental is missing and put it aside.
Should I just stick to a course/book however well I succeed at processing it, or is there something else I should be doing before?
I know I should be grinding fundies, but I don't have a clear idea on how I should be be doing it.
All pointers are appreciated

today's attempt: some rocks
ended up squishing them

>>5246298
chinlet

>>5246300
Pick something you want to create. Create it. Critique it. Use that critique to determine what to study. Study it. Create it again or similar. Critique it. Use that critique... etc.

>>5246072
Anyone?

>>5246224
depends on your smallest detail

Probably the furthest I got through the process. I want to get into painting and rendering. Any advice?

I started 14 months ago. Roughly 720 hours of practice (tracked) and this is one of my best art pieces. Still just a beginner.

>>5246306
another attempt

>>5246551
Nice work, though I will say those shrubs are looking pretty lonely without those trees on the left.

I REALLY need a redline for this specific picture and or at least points that explain why it is wrong.

>>5246574
Her left hand is backwards. Thumb should be on the other side.

>>5246511
Nice work, though. Would fuck.

Urgh, perspective is killing me. My drawings always sucked because of this.
Any tips to how I can build more perspective? Or just keep going with the study of the Fun with a Pencil and eventually I will get good?
It's the page 20 exercise.

loosey goosey sketch w pen, pencil and no real ref while i was watching tv

how would i go about adding value to something like this? what would b a good looking direction for light

>>5246585
You aren't doing as horribly as you think. The only thing you can do is keep practicing perspective and gradually understand it at a subconscious level. Keep going with FwaP and move on to Heads and Hands, also by Loomis, if you want more practice in and to get more understanding as a whole. It'll have fewer blook balls and more adult-themed headmaking (same basic principle), and like somebody else said, the text in Heads and Hands is extremely important.

>>5245741
Peak art

>>5246574
>>5246579
not /beg/ go to salt

>>5246585
rotate letters instead

>>5246585
How many times did you repeat the exercises until you started nailing them?

>>5246511
right hand is whack, and you start pushing the values when you color because the details in the body hardly look there. Other than what resources are you using? can you do a before and after? I would say you're borderline /int/ with a alittle more refining

I'm doing it right?

>>5246595
Ok, I will keep going. Thanks!
>>5246618
Nice tip, I will try.
>>5246625
I'm doing one page or half per day, not skipping any drawing. My tablet is small, so I need to train hard.

>>5245809
True. I've been doing a lot of loomis and sometimes I like to draw other things for fun, which is mainly animals

>>5246678
probably no, since it's obvious that you don't know anatomy to fill the mannequin later on, it would be better to study anatomy or get better at drawing more complex structures

Is anyone else having a harder time drawing from the shoulder on a tablet than paper or am I just not practicing enough ?

>>5246739
Tablets tend to come with their own errors. It might not strictly be you.

>>5245287
How are they beyond help? This kind of stuff has completely warped their already fragile personality. This and their avian feeling rambling, dangerous combination.
I'm going to say it, I'm not art inclined so I can't give any proper critique but their drawings seem passable enough to me, I know they are no Picasso but there's that.

Not that satisfied with this piece. Esp with the face. Made her face look too young and perspective wasn't done very well I think.

Please feedback, i cant improve :(

Tired of grinding, time for Palmon.

>>5246815
The ear is a bit small and the left eye doesn't follow perspectivr but that's decent as far as weeb Moe shit goes.
Add some hair, half of animu is drawing the eyes and the other hairstyles.

for the first time in my life,I decided to grab a book and learn from it.
I find myself having a hard time doing literally something that is not 3/4,front,side view.
can you guys help me out with some advice?
(left are doodles made while I was reading it and the right ones are while concentrating only on the canvas without any help

blooks

>>5246815

>>5246919
How long have you been drawing?
How old are you?

>>5246929
please crit

>>5246731
Anon was touched by poses

If I want to grind some boxes is it bad to use a cube in Blender as a reference? Seems like it would be a lot easier to get different angles than if I used a real physical box as a reference.

>>5246739
>quantizing in 6 bits
NGMI

>>5246924
18, 1 month.

>>5245842
wo u think im bad enough that i don’t know not to trace a reference..iv been exclusively copying references for 2 years. starting to think i rly am ngmiiii eee

When i Eyedrop color in sai theyre way darker than the ones i click on.
What do?

>>5246815
Read this. The Loomis books go into some more detail on this stuff as well.
Basically you are jumping into trying to construct things out of forms without first understanding the proportions and perspective of what you're drawing, i.e. you don't have a clear idea of WHAT you want to construct in the first place.

>>5246206
unironically literally needs more loomis

>>5246992
Are you sure it's not just the color looking different to you when you put it in a different context? The exact same color can look VERY different depending on what other colors are around it.

>>5246994
these heads look bad though
i know its anime but those proportions look completely fucked

>>5246511
Looks good but aren't her breasts are little too high even with the bra?

>>5246511
>invisible collar bones

>>5246966
that should be a last resort, or done for efficiency's sake
real life is much more interesting, you'll learn to observe texture and how stuff like bounce light properly behaves

>>5245725

>>5247060
Yes I know the hands suck

>>5246796
rised leg is too thinn, lazy feet , square ass, thinn long arm

Quick one
Any opinon?

>>5247080
Reference

>>5246815
Her skull is too tiny. That's it.

>>5247080
Eyes too high, face is not in proportion.

>>5246739
for me it is the opposite because I have more space in the tablet than in my sketchbook (a6)

>>5246815
do you have trouble placing the lines where you want them to go? if so try draw a box, it worked for me.

>>5246932
>>5246929
what books/courses did you already do?

how do you find the strength to everyday get up and start drawing, when you know that everything you will draw that day will be utter shit?

>>5247123
Knowing that it will be better than yesterday's drawing. Sometimes worse but going up in quality. As long as I do studies half the time then I will get better and as long as I draw for fun the other half time then I will always have the drive to draw again.

>>5247088
>Eyes too high, face is not in proportion.

gtfo anon, everything but the left brow is nearly 100% spot-on

>>5247080
good job if you weren't tracing

>>5246511
good results imo

>>5247128
Oh you're right, that's trippy.

>>5247063
>to know and to not act, is to not know

another sketch, not sure if I'm gonna render, the texture seems a bit too complex

What exactly am I supposed to be "Studying" when I draw something from reference?

I mostly put the picture off to the side, try to replicate it, and when I inevitably mess up, I overlay to see the differences, and put it back to the side again and try to fix it.

>>5247144
Just by copying you're giving your brain a huge amount of information in terms of proportions, textures, shapes, colors, etc about your subject.
So don't overthink it and just draw (and check your mistakes).

>>5245725
>try to draw a pepper
>it has a penis at the top
I just want to draw cute anime grills bros

>>5246919
Not really a criticism, but these two look like they'd be right at home in Lupin the Third. Damn nice blooks.

>>5247158
nice pepper

>>5247149
But I still can't draw shit from imagination, though.

>>5247063
More than just the hands suck

>>5247131
Kek, turns out rendering CAN save a drawing sometimes.

Uohhh drawing between studies, don't know anything about upper body yet not sure about the mid section either

>>5247180
Imagination is overrated, the amount of detail a brain willingly retains is very small.
Use your imagination to compose a scene or come up with a story, but then go to real life and use it to draw.

Have you already done the exercise of taking a reference, drawing it, and then trying to draw it again from a different angle?

>>5247215
Negative, I'll try that next

>>5247207
What if your gf finds your sketchbook?

>>5247240
That's a sketch of his gf.

>>5247242
Double based.

Alright, here's a beg question. I noticed on one page Loomis says to start by drawing the positions of the ears, nose, and chin.
Then not much longer later he says to always construct from the cranium down.
Is he talking about segmenting the ball from the cranium down (which I've been doing anyway)? I don't think he'd be contradicting himself here.

>>5245754
This one is sick, neat concept and execution. 3/5 of them look too good for /beg/ imo (these are the exceptions >>5245755 >>5245759, plus the tentacles in >>5245753 look nice but don't look like real tentacles with volume, which makes me think you have good fundamentals or familiarity with your media but need to study anatomy)

>>5246978
Talent is real
I KNEW IT
>tfw 20 and 5 months of drawing
>someone thats 18 and 1 month in is better at Loomis
Is this talent?

>>5247333
Of course talent exists. Fucking Mozart proves that. The point all those fags are making when they say that talent doesn't exist is that it isn't required to be a good artist. The vast majority of artists throughout history got where they were through hard work, discipline, and study. Very few of them were naturally gifted to have what it takes, and even most of the talented ones still had weaknesses to overcome.

>>5247333
These funny heads seem copied from the book, not from imagination

>>5247352
The assignment was to copy these heads at the very least. I haven't looked that far but the two Lupin-like heads I circled earlier in the thread don't seem to have come from Loomis (at least to my knowledge).
If he's serious about only being at this for a month, then good on him, he's got a knack for this.

I shall draw again and post it, as a test, and you'll tell me just how talentless I am.
>>5247347
Liar, only the talented and the ones chosen will make it. No one ever told me GMI because I lack talent, /ic/ lied to me.
>>5247355
Neuroplasticity and talent, it's over.
Ping ping was right, it's all about talent
In 5 months (I counted again) I've had no improvement.

WIP painting (I know the pellets are fucked)

feet practices

@5247366
Do not reply to this faggot. At this point he's got a community vendetta against the whole of fucking /ic/. Treat him like you should anybody who breaks the board rules.

>>5245741
Is that spec from Baki?

>>5247355
>>5247375
Hahahaha I went to check Loomis fun with a pencil and you know what I found?
That the "omg Im cumming at your drawing" head with thr man smoking IS a Loomis drawing, I knew it
My memory was right, I KNEW IT

>>5247368
cute feet, now attach them to the mannequin

>>5247375
>>5247355
Fun with a pencil
PAGE 31

Can someone help me with the shadows?

>>5247386
Just in case here is the clean version

>>5247367
I like it bro but the perspective is a bit wonky

>>5247386
help yourself, draw some asaro heads

>>5247366
post your last work

>>5247386
A single light source will always go in a single direction, meaning the shadows it casts will always be on the same side.

>>5247355
Thanks for the kind words but only the drawing at the bottom right is from imagination.

>>5247398
Yes yes yes yes
I knew it, I knew it, I win

>>5247398
Here's some copies from Naoki Urusawa's Monster btw.

>>5247381
sure just let me finish to study th rest of the human body

>>5247393
Why?

>>5247398
And it's a good drawing from imagination. Also the guy in the hat may have been referenced but you did your own thing with it while still following the presented rules, showing you understand the core lesson.
Drawing from imagination doesn't matter at that stage in the book, and, again, the author even wants you to follow the examples given.

And don't mind that schizo bragging about winning or whatever. He's a goddamned idiot who spams the same insecure bullshit constantly. He's a joke, not a person. Best way to deal with him is to filter his image MD5s. He constantly spams them and the less of his insanity you're exposed to the better.

>>5247400
Neat doodles good taste.

>>5247400
For a guy who decided to go for anime styles, you've got some damned patrician tastes.

>>5247400
Very neat, well done.

What skin color should I go with? I don't like that plastic-like look like patreon artists do in picrel.

>>5247429
the tools and render is why the skin looks like silicone, not the colors

>>5247411
>And don't mind that schizo bragging about winning or whatever. He's a goddamned idiot who spams the same insecure bullshit constantly. He's a joke, not a person. Best way to deal with him is to filter his image MD5s. He constantly spams them and the less of his insanity you're exposed to the better.
I've earned the right to complain, when all of /ic/ calls me and only me, talentless.
When all of /ic/ and /beg/ refused to help me even once, when all of /ic/ ignored me when I asked for help, I think I've earned the fucking right to complain and whine, the right to feel insecure because you people treated me like shit, one eay or another I'll get my revenge.

>>5247411
>>5247375
>>5247411
Because no one ever told me anything nice, no one ever helped me, nope, no one ever did that.
Day after day, with every single fucking attempt people would deride me and insult me, every single thread everyone would call me talentless, in my own threads, even more so.
You fucking pieces of shit.

>>5247411
Go ahead and blow that guy, you dickrider piece of shit.
I'm really fucking glad odds are none of you will ever make it, you deserve it.
No one ever helped me
No one ever gave me constructive criticism
No one ever told me anything that wasn't "you're talentless"
No one ever did

After around 6 months of learning I can finally draw naked girls in rough conditions from imagination, get in lads mission accomplished

>>5247465
>no hands
>no face
>no feet
the worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves

what's the Procreate alternative to Ctrlpaint

>>5247469
I'm getting there anon, you just wait

>>5247469
>>5247486
Although, I'm getting a better understanding of hands every day but still have a ridiculously hard time placing feet in space correctly. Any tips would be appreciated

Thoughts? I added the base colors but not sure if I want to actually render it some more. I'm a total /beg/ so I'm not sure how to approach the hair and clothes. (Please try to disregard politics, this was a request from someone).

rate my dino

>>5247535
I like it anon. Id clean up the line work though. 8/10

>>5247538
thanks!

>>5246138
your linework is ass for starters. Learn to draw confident lines, for instance the fingers are really shitty, looks like someone with parkinsons did it. Start using basic shapes to create you bodies instead of just winging it.

>>5246929
anatomy is all over the place, why is her mouth 6 inches under her nose? Her hand is too big, her arm is too long. No line confidence, for instance the line for her right ass cheek should be one curvey line, not all jagged.

where do i start to learn to draw?

>>5246970
-3 to +3 is 3 bits, 2 for range and one for sign

Why is my sketch so masculine? I know the pose is fucked

>>5247586
We got another one for the Loomis mines, boys!
A good first book is Fun with a Pencil.
It's about as introductory as courses get, but bear in mind it's from the fucking 30s and it'll make you start off drawing ugly old men.
Not forever, though, so don't fret.
All of his books are free. Just check the beginner's guide in the sticky.

>>5247620
probably cus the torso (entire upper body) is too big

>>5247620
round boobies and less trapezius

>>5247465
Look at this image and read everything on it. You're moving forward and it feels fucking good, but don't get complacent just yet. There's a lot of road ahead of you.

>>5247677
This is a common thing so don't beat yourself up. The eye on the right side of the canvas is too far to the right and a bit too high.

>>5247128
Thanks
I weren't tracing, but I gotta admit I spend way too much time on construction

>>5247158
The best anime grills have dicks too, you'll be fine

Drew this for /biz/. Playing around with cross hatching and also used Arnold as a reference.

Question: When drawing via Loomis method, should I draw the rib cage or just the general oval of the torso?

>>5247702
this should fix the alignment

the left eye's left side should be flat, not sharp as you drew it

>>5247446
>making your own thread when you're a beg
people on 4chan are harsh but pretty honest usually, go to reddit if you just want people complimenting you regardless of your talent

I have made a stupid watercolor duck. I don't think this medium is for me...

>>5247620
hips are too narrow, upper body is a reverse triangle, which is a very masculine feature. Drawing a straight line for the bone just under the neck doesn't help either. Also the boobs don't feel very 3-dimensional enough imo

>>5247661
>>5247669
Thanks guys I changed the pose, used more round figures and made the torso overall smaller

>>5247723
Still a bit thick in the torso, but definitely girlier.

>>5247677
eye is misplaced, fixed that for you. It's a nice drawing, albeit rather unrealistic

>>5247715
You did good, anon.

>>5247723
less tummy unless its a loli

>>5247400
>>5246919
Your lines are very good and confident.
Good job anon

>>5246871
Based taste in Digimon
It's pretty cute too

I just finished lining this, does it look alright? Should i change anything?

Does anyone have a good resource for observing the full human skeleton, preferably with the ability to articulate the arms/legs? Inb4 >google search skeleton, I need a 360 view
This Ulna Radius shit is really starting to fuck me

>>5247806
my god is that what they’re teaching you? To draw bones for construction? Or are you specifically trying to draw a skeleton for something?

>>5247809
I just want to know what I'm drawing. There are a lot of major landmarks of the skeleton that the muscles grab on to, and I think it would be beneficial if I was more familiar with said bones.

>>5247806
ohnonon you forgot the part where it actually twist

>>5247446
It's 4chan, man.
People here are honest and help, that's all. I'm /beg/ and people helped me a lot.
If you can't handle criticism, go to Reditt or somewhere who will lick your ass.

>>5247811
>I just want to know what I’m drawing
I mean good luck to you if you think this exercise is helpful. It would be more beneficial in my opinion to just study muscle structure since bones are almost completely encased in it. In your picrel the only arm bone barely visible through skin is the end of one at the wrist.

>>5247815
But doesnt the ulna end on the pinky side?

>>5247823
>ribs
>clavicle
>scapulae
>an. sup. iliac spine
>pos. sup. iliac spine
>patella
>tibia
>epicondyles
Just to name some, all these are helpful identifying landmarks on the body. There's a reason most good anatomy courses start with the skeleton

>>5247400
holy shit, with influences like this, you're gmi
never stop drawing my boy

>>5247832
I'm 100% certain this is nothing but so faggot attention trying to sabotage /ic/ like all of the other faggot that sabotaged /ic/ when they did get there ass kissed.

>>5247400
Good study, actual GMI energy

Please critique the perspective/vanishing point of this image of mine please.

>>5247824
something like this, yes my drawing was just lazy.
search up pixiv_english in the archive for bone stuff

>>5247850
>half asses drawing
Leave.

how do you know when you can call yourself graduated from /beg/?

>>5247511
>Any tips would be appreciated
Draw bigger. You can't spot your mistakes if you abstract features too much.

How the fuck can I draw feet like this

>>5247850
>>5247855
Fucking- okay...
let's run this by again. I'm practicing 2-point perspective, tell me whether or not my logic (the "half assed" drawing) checks out, and if not why?

>>5247875
Cubes don't elongate on one side when you turn them. Go back to the book and read, negro.

>>5245895
>>5245908
Drawing the same shit over and over again until you get it right is not how you improve. The only thing that teaches you is to not pay attention to your subject and just wing everything.

Instead improve by taking your time and doing repeated observations and comparisons with your subject. If you spot a mistake, you erase and fix it. Work in stages, starting from simple foundational shapes & planes and moving up to more detail as you go along. That way you won't have a situation where a fuck up would require you to erase a large part of your work or to start again.

>>5246815

>>5247877
>cube
I was going for more of a rectangle, thus the file name.
>Don't elongate on one side when you turn them
>Go back to the books
I was trying to do a fish eye lens sort of effect, but If I'm going about it wrong please elaborate and/or direct me to resources that can.

>>5247661
>he studies proportions from a heavily stylized figure standing on her toes
/beg/ never fails to disappoint.

>>5246269
>>5246204
As anon above said, you should really improve your linework and draftsmanship before attempting/adopting a sketch aesthetic.

>>5247885
>I was trying to do a fish eye lens sort of effect
Lmao. Go through Robertson's book and do the exercises.

>>5247771
she cute

>>5247909
Alright then, thank you

>>5247885
>fish eye lens
That's 4/5+ point perspective. Stop what you're doing immediately and go back to studying because you're not there yet, and you're still new to rotating boxes in perspective.

>>5247885
Fish eyes require 5 points, not 2. Basically, every line that's not going away from you turns into a circle defined by 2 of the points on the main one and one of the radius depending on the angle between the object and the viewer.

It's not that hard to figure out but it takes forever to do properly

>>5247864
The test isn't to leave/beg/, the test is to not get laughed out of /draw/

>>5247893
what's it like being a retarded nigger?

Big fat ghost boobs.

>>5247932
Yuck ass face on a /beg/ body. Get some taste.

>>5247937
Go fuck your self :D

>>5247938
The only thing fucked here is that perspective. Like, what the fuck is she doing, siding down a passageway? Two perspective is supposed to be the easy shit.

>>5247941
>siding down
I guess you mean sliding down. The floor and the characterr are at the same angle that way because I liked the way it looked, but thanks for the worthless criticism :^).

>>5247943
He's being a dickhead, but he's also right. Your piece is pretty poor.

>>5247945
Because?

>>5247932
ngmi

>>5247951
Thanks for the pointers bro.

>>5247347
talent does exist, but mozart is more an example of nurture tho. he is like that case of the chess sisters experiment

>>5247947
You have no grasp of the fundamentals
The face is crummy
The anatomy is amateur
The colors are flat and poor
The perspective doesn't work, like a previous anon said it sort of looks like she's sliding downward
The background speaks for itself
Go read the sticky if you aren't already studying

>>5247961

>>5247958
>The colors are flat and poor
Ok
>The face is crummy
Useless:
Because?
>The anatomy is amateur
Useless:
Because? Also muh anatomy.
>The background
Useless: The back ground is just a simple wall and floor to make the character stand out.
>Perspective
Useful but I disagree.

Well you did do better then just screaming LOOMIS

>>5247586
I recommend draw a box, it have a good structure to get you in the habit of drawing everyday and it teaches you how to make lines and forms, which is pretty fundamental to drawing. as long you follow the 50% rule you should have a good time and not burnout.

>>5247965
not useless.

you have poor taste overall, and that mixed with the mentioned bad drawing skills and reasons why they are bad means that you should rethink how you are going about your current path.

If you are wondering why its an insult and not actual crit, its because nobody wants to help someone with shit taste.

>>5247974
>>5247965
to add onto this as well, your attitude is piss poor, so that will keep you from making good progress on your own until you change it.

>>5247974
>>5247975
It's useless and I'm not going to kiss your ass. So sincerely go fuck yourself.

>>5247978
im not the person giving out those insults, nor will I be the person to bother to help you. NGMI is a hell of a drug, enjoy it while it lasts.

>>5247980
Oh well fuck off.

>>5247864
loomis will appear before you and whisper in your ear-holes "gmi!!"

>>5247841
>>5247820
>>5247713
Not only stupid but also pieces of shit
You never helped me, only others
I don't give a shit about reddir and their hugbox but you can't deny that you never helped me
What is it? Why? Lack of talent?
Go on say it

>>5247965
>>5247978
>>5247981
Kek this nigger is actually NGMI

>>5247984
Oh /ic/ you're such a toilet.

coom

>>5247988
I'm going to focus on the background because that's obviously the most important part of this work. It's only one color dude wtf.

>5247983
You fucking suck and you have no talented, now get the fuck off my board.

>>5247990
No you are the untalented who lurk in the underworld of /ic/ shitposting

>>5247990
How about you get some resolve and instead of drawing your shit over and over you get off your ass and start learning english huh? How thick is that accent, you imbecile?
Rosetta Stone, come on, get it, show us if those art gains are getting you some money, asshole.

>>5247989
>I'm going to focus on the background because that's obviously the most important part of this work
Don't project your inadequacies onto another anon like a faggot it's embarrassing.

>>5247996
Oh testy are? Is it possible that you are upset?

I could not be more forgiving
Sticky shifting, polymorphing
/ic/ never helped me, even when I tried my best, never once told me anything nice
It's not about ego or a hugbox, it's about gauging progress using others reactions
I want you to say it, call me talentless again

>>5247997
You type like a faggot, and you're trying way too hard to fit in.

>>5248003
you're talentless

>5248003
Boring LARP consider suicide

>>5247932
I like the boobs anon.
Keep going

>>5248004
Oh shit bro, does this mean you're not going to invite me to your birthday party?

>>5248003
Look at him, he has no talent, lol

>>5247994
Nigger.

>>5248016
>>5248008
>>5248007
No, do it right
Tell me the why
Have you ever stopped to consider that again, statistics say you'll never make it beyond twitter?

>>5248014
First day?

>>5247715
I love it.

>>5248029
No you are the one who is new.

>>5248021
Time to get a new character this LARP is played out and unfunny.

>>5248036
This. Now it's just boring spam.
Can't a mod ban this guy on sight?

>>5248036
>>5248038
>t. Scorned woman
Lmao, tell me why I can't improve? In my 5 months of drawing no one ever called me gmi

>>5247988
Cute art even low tier coomable, but work on your form and anatomy, her clothes feel like cracked pastel, and I've never seen a person with middle toe longer than the big toe

>>5247988
Other person but to expand on muh anonymity:
The size of the head makes sense because it's a cartoon but it looks like you have her rib cage to far to her left. The breasts should be attached to either side of the center of the rib cage. I think that's called the sternum.

>>5248033
Only a butthurt newnigger would have a two hour tism because your perspective sucked, and that hag face you drew was fucked, just take your licks and move on.

>>5248050
>You mad and new.
You are mad and new. Your taste is shit. It looks like you have a lot of growing up to do.

>>5248052
another one

>5248053
Calling people new when you can't even greentext properly, how embarrassing.

>>5247930
I wouldn't know, maybe ask your father.

>>5248054
nice feet anon
i left that book because i consider it's shit
i find more enterteining and that helps you improve faster a youtube tutorial

>>5248052
>>5248054
neat, try controlling your pencil a bit more

>>5247988
feet are fucked, symbol'd the face, needs more anatomy overall
also: clothes lack volume, arms look like flat planes
good attempt, keep studying

>>5247116
sadly none, i just had like two classes in pre-artschool. Didnt study Illustration or something like that.

>>5247965
Take the damn criticism you stupid nigger. You are not here to defend your garbage but to improve.

>>5248169
I'm ( and no one else) is not going to improve if the advice is trash.
All I got out of this exchange is that he didn't like the angle I drew world and the character, and he didn't like the face(no explanation there either) and it was like pulling teeth to get that much out of him. They started the puerile mudslinging and I just reflected it.

>>5248181
Based
If you drew a generic anime face everyone would have said
"cute"
"booba"
"muh dick"
"blog?"

>>5248226
I've never seen that happen in /beg/ pls don't defend this idiot

>>5248181
I'm completely ready to do a redline if you're seriously gonna be this hard-headed about taking criticism

>>5248238
Go for it, friend.
>>5248232
Faggot

>>5248101
>>5248119
ty :)
I draw with a piece of charcoal, I only draw big lines at the start and then I do really small lines for details/shading don't know if that's a bad thing for practice, will try to focus on making them more straight/controlled though

>>5247771
that waist is broad as fuck

>>5248261
fixed rotation

new

>>5248288
>>5248288
>>5248288

>>5248163
then do some, you have access to all human knowledge after all. I personally recommend draw a box. but almost anything else should do you some good

>>5248030
>>5247735
thanks guys

I like drawing these two.
I'm just gonna try to do it better (and NOT when I have tiny bouts of insomnia at 1 am XP).

>>5247809
>>5247823
please kill yourself and never give advice again

I am looking for purpose in life after having lost my ability to work. I know this probably gets asked a lot, but after reading the sticky i'm just overwhelmed by what there is all to learn and do. I have a tablet and a program to work with but trying to teach it myself seems harder than having it taught. Any advice? Working through a book I can't tell if I am actually progressing or not. And not like I have anyone to ask like a teacher.

Thoughts on this thing please

How does one make chicken scratch look good? I can never seem to draw basic cylinders when parts of the body overlap because it becomes to messy, anyone got tips?

>>5249468
Just draw longer lines bro

>>5249697
unironically this makes a lot of sense thanks

How can this be improved?

>>5248746
I recommend draw a box, it has a good structure and it is easy to self critique. I guess you could pay to get critiques too, but I don't think it is very useful at the beg stage.

>>5249939
the colors are kinda dull. aside from that is pretty nice.

>>5249977
the face is asymmetrical, either exaggerate it more or make it more symmetrical. you want it to look deliberated. I can't tell where the light is because both sides of the nose are equally in shadow.

>>5245725
I know that my tifa picture is kinda fucked up, but before i get back to that. can somebody elaborate where i can find references for the pants from this angle?

>>5248746
Torrent CGMA - Digital Painting - David Merritt 2019
It's basically a painting course for new artists with an academic approach.

>>5247723
I think the rightmost line of her torso should recoil back to the left a bit.

>>5245725
>>5250306
Is there any hope for me?, i'm only concerned about the body for now