/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

What is cryptoart? I do not know the context

>1800 for health
fucking why, why do americans allow this to happen

>>5240797
prolly he means selling for crypto, or maybe doing coom under the hood

>>5240796
what stopping him from getting a full time job at one of those big name?

>>5240796
Industry jobs pay shit. Why do you think the smarter artists have developed side revenues via merch or leveraged their fame to 'teach'.

>1800 usd for something you are most likely never use, or use very little
>sometimes that shit doesnt even cover the problem
>you have to pay that EVERY SINGLE MONTH
Good lord, you can poke all the fun on thirdworlders but last time I had to make medical expenses it was a buncha test, MRI, PET scan, ultrasound, a biopsy and some other blood works and it costed me around 700 usd in total, I dont know how americans can live like that I would off myself under such pressure

>>5240799
It was their choice to get expensive insurance... There are cheap and affordable options out there.

>>5240810
I'm beginning to think that America will collapse and many gringos will flee for places like Latin America, mostly because of the things you mention. And you can't even argue about violence in the streets being a problem, I mean, I don't think the average beaner capital is more dangerous than most of the big american cities...

>>5240796
just look at his portfolio, from what I can tell it seems like what he has to offer isn't very valuable to the current AAA gaming landscape
everything on his website is just uninteresting battle scenes or characters standing in a boring manner. It doesn't look like he does any 3D modelling or animation so any concept art he creates is 100% reliant on someone else doing the heavy lifting, there's no in-depth or interesting character designs, no prop work, no interior designs or functional environments, just sweeping landscapes with characters dropped in them, and it looks like its all hand painted so the time it takes him to put these out would take far longer than someone who's experienced with modelling/photobashing who can shit out 10 concepts like these in a single day.
I'm not calling this guy's work bad, because it's not, it's just not what big game companies want. If you want to get into the video game industry, you'd be better off learning modelling and photobashing, aswell as gathering a wide array of photoshop brushes that do all the hard work for you. Companies want large amounts of art work of many different things shat out in a very small amount of time and it looks like this guy wouldn't be able to deliver.

>At what point is living out of an old can a better option than pursuing an art career?
It isn't. You just have to understand what art career you're pursuing and what skills you have to bring to the table in order to get paid.

>>5240816
I have never been mugged, nor threatened here, it just depends where you live and which country

>>5240797
Cryptoart is something just now hitting the mainstream. I'm retarded to it, but I know you attach some crypto ID to the piece using blockchain which essentially makes it the "original" similar to traditional art.

Paris Hilton recently did this with a crude drawing of her cat and sold it for $17,000.

>>5240799
I don't understand why a person's premiums would be $1800. "Expensive" insurance for a relatively young person in America is around $300. Even for a family, it shouldn't be $1800.

>>5240803
No, I think he's talking about art that goes on the blockchain. It's a movement that operates in certain sites and creates an "original digital art piece" which is registered in the eth blockchain. And then that's put up for auction. And sells for crypto.

I imagine he says it's bad for the environment due to stuff like crypto farming and shit.

>>5240822
He might also be mostly skilled in something they can easily pay someone else half the price to do.
Afaik, concept art is a very saturated market, and certain areas within pay really shit due to the large amount of people in it. Character design being the primary example. Or so I've heard.

>>5240838
>I imagine he says it's bad for the environment due to stuff like crypto farming and shit.

I don't really buy into the reporting, but it apparently uses the same amount of energy to power a residence in EU for four days as it does to make one Ethereum transaction.

his works is pretty meh. if i may be a mean cunt

>>5240811
If you get health insurance that is cheap, expect the deductible to be unaffordable.

50$/mo sounds good. Until you get slapped with a $9k medical bill and have to pay $4k to meet the deductible.

If you couldn't afford 1800$/mo, you definitely cant afford $4k all at once.

>>5240796
>1800 health insurance premium
honestly what he gets for this sentence:
> I don’t know if I can bring myself to get in on the scene with all of the environmental impact articles I’ve read
fuck u mask tard

doesn't he have a kid with cancer or something? I think that would explain the insurance thing

>>5240822
The other problem is that his art is very generic. I've seen people at best half his skill who have much more appealing art some of which I've saved. I checked his artstation right now and there is nothing I would want to nab there even though technically his art is very good.

>>5240811
Why is it that rightoids think everything is a Jewish scam but insurance companies deserve inflated premiums and universal healthcare is too socialist for them?

>>5240866
Oh thanks for pointing, might've missed that

>>5240796
idk it seems to me like he can't handle his money and unwilling to find work.
also
>another cryptoshit thread
From now on, if you post anything related to crypto, you're required to pyw

If America wasn't so utterly cucked by jews, this guy would have an entire $1800 a month he could do whatever he wanted with.

>>5240902
It looks fine to me.

>>5240887
Shit, in that case makes sense

>>5240879
probably a troll, but just in case not: you have no humanity, and your lineage will not survive the trials this species faces.

>>5240911
>if you post anything related to crypto, you're required to pyw
agreed

financenigger and their money making scheme can fuck off

>>5240922
Why is the dinosaur screaming at her cunt?

>>5240799
I was going to post the same thing.

>>5240799
>be born into a system
totally their fault

>>5240904
because they think one day they'll be the one running a billion dollar business

>>5240909
Captain obvious once again saves the day.

>>5240866
- "bag of walnuts" shading with zero value grouping and no sense of what is important and what is not
- no consistent lighting
- pathetic drawing skills

Yep, looks like an "industry professional with decades of experience" all right. As for why someone would pay him for this shit, I don't know.

"but he's famous he even has a famous free custom brush pack"

>>5240869
>If you get health insurance that is cheap, expect the deductible to be unaffordable.
>50$/mo sounds good. Until you get slapped with a $9k medical bill and have to pay $4k to meet the deductible.
>If you couldn't afford 1800$/mo, you definitely cant afford $4k all at once.
You American fucks deserve the Darwin award.

>>5241099
What do you mean bag of walnuts

>>5240922
Using the dodge brush for "shading" and thinking you're Frazetta. Yep

>>5241110
What do you mean dodge brush for 'shading'? I don't get it. What is that?

His art is bad.

>>5240869
>If you couldn't afford 1800$/mo, you definitely cant afford $4k all at once
I know burger math is different, but how does saving 1750 a month result in not having 4000 after n months?
Paying 4000 once is far preferable to paying nearly half that every month just so you don’t have to pay 4000 in the unlikely event you need to at some indeterminate point in the future

>>5240796
God damn
>cryptoart
This guy is probably going to get scammed by a chinese company

His subjects and designs are boring. Look like stuff from 80s fantasy novels.

>>5241109
>What do you mean bag of walnuts
Random noisy mess of values all over the picture instead of arranging them into pleasing larger shapes.

>>5240922
Doesn't this one have value grouping or does that mean something else?

>>5240828
>$17,000.
she has a multi million hotel empire and is the trademark party bitch from the 90's early 00's... that's like peanuts

are you guys unironically shitting on daarken?

>>5240796
I man he is being kinda unrealistic by demanding "change from the industry", the industry is thriving it's only that south east asian countries have a wide variety of artists who create splash art level work for 5 times lower the price than any cali/montreal fag

>>5241263
Well we're posting on /ic/ in the current year after all.

Why are some of you crabfags speaking as if you have more talent, experience, or better financial gains than this artist? I'd really like to see some receipts then. It's all too easy to be an anonymous cynic and take potshots at someone who shows a glimpse of himself struggling. Leave him alone. This kind of criticism is only warranted towards assholes who are cynical bastards who whine and moan about their failures, such as the likes of yourselves.

>>5241099
Case in point. Pyw and your income, worthless anonymous crabfag that no one will remember.

>>5241321
your newfag is showing

I sexually identify as a Western Mangaka. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of drawing bishonen and legal lolis for 10 hours a day, while blasting carameldansen on my logitech speakers. People say to me that being a mangaka in the west is fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm Elite. I don't need Photoshop and only use CSP with a brush I can't read the name of. I never work on paper, only digitally and have a photo of Togashi on my body. From now on I want you to call me «Manga God» and respect my right to shit on the public education system from deep inside my moms basement. I you can't accept me you're a mangaphobe and need to check your privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

>>5241078
>be born into a system that gives you lots of room to manoeuvre
>make bad decisions
>"help, help, I'm being oppressed"
have you tried being a responsible adult?

>>5240796
if you're a fucking freelancer why would you still live in an expensive city in an expensive country? I live like a king with just 1500 euros a month in a small town of south italy while still having mostly US clients. At some point you gotta tell yourself you have the finance awareness of a teenager

>>5240796
1800+ for health insurance?
Fucking move man, pack your bags and get out of this shit hole.

>>5241368
>>5241379
>>5241386
fuck you i deserve things i can’t afford doing the job i chose

>>5241233
>unlikely event you need to at some indeterminate point in the future
Approximately 40% of americans will be diagnosed with cancer at some point in their life.

>>5240796
>environmental impact
What a faggot, stop using google/twitter/computers if you care that much.

>>5241394
stop being american

>>5240796
looks like some delusional, libtard mask cuck whos getting what he deserves. good for him.

>>5241394
>oh no, I’m 80 and diagnosed with cancer, I sure do wish I spent decades paying insane insurance instead of enjoying life so that I may now spend my last bit of life in fucking therapy

>>5240816
>I'm beginning to think that America will collapse
that was confirmed last November

>>5240806
He probably hates the average coworker artist

>>5241349
Maybe he's struggling because he's a subpar artist.

>>5240866
the crab is strong with this one. his art is generic but i'll be stunned if a single artist in thread is better than him.

>>5240869
>If you couldn't afford 1800$/mo, you definitely cant afford $4k all at once.

>>5240950
>and your lineage will not survive the trials this species faces.

his ancestry created him, his lineage will probably survive too. Psychopathy is almost an advantage in today's world, unfortunately.

>>5241414
>i'll be stunned if a single artist in thread
You still think that someone who's skilled and has a careeer is going to suddenly parade themselves under their real name on 4chan? You should be stunned, life must be nigh incomprehensible

There's piles of artists better than him yet you're so certain that none of them ever visit these threads for laughs. Why?

>>5241349
>I'd really like to see some receipts then
Receipts and personal identity proof on 4chan to impress random people? Yeah, go smoke a bit more weed and relax.

>>5240796
Mfw there are coom artists with maybe 2 years max experience who make more money then him

>>5241349
Are you Daarken? Go practice drawing

>>5240869
holy fuck you're retarded
do amerimutts know about saving money or is every dollar spent to CONSOOOOOOM

>>5241366
Fuckin Togarashi on your body, are you a three course dinner or what

>>5241379
>I live like a king with just 1500 euros a month in a small town of south italy
Enjoy having no drinking water and eating cockroaches in your communist warzone then
You people need Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg to put you into order, fix your freedom of speech issues

>>5241394
>Approximately 40% of americans will be diagnosed with cancer at some point in their life.
Using Americans as a role model for life. Good job man. You deserve your cancer.

>>5241078
>being born into a system that fucks you over
>not trying to change the system
or worse
>sees people trying to change the system
>calling those people retards
Americans deserve it.

>>5240806
I thought all artists were like independent contractors.
Y'know, moving on from project to project?

>>5241394
so why don't you have cancer yet?

>>5241455
you thought wrong

>>5240796
>1800 a month for health inssurance
Get fucked, he deserves it.
Not smart enough to get more money, or getting away from the shit system.

>>5240796
Damn, should've learned blender and cad work when it was on the rise.

>>5241480
>A few years ago, a young man’s wife developed breast cancer at age 25. He is a well-known video artist known as Daarken and he and his wife needed money to meet their medical expenses.

I think his kid also had cancer. not sure.

>>5241431
You proved his point anon.

>>5241394
stop eating gross shit and learn to cook then

>>5241233
if you can't afford 1800 a month, odds are you're scraping the poverty line and 100% of your wages go to food, rent, bills and gas. there's no "saving up money" for the majority of americans, it's retarded.
rise up you fucking monkeys. socialism is the way.

>>5241526
>whole family has cancer
>freelances as an artist for a living
>draws nothing but fantasy
I mean... also, doesn’t he have cancer too?

>>5241550
>if you can’t afford paying $21600 a year indefinitely for nothing of immediate concern, you are living on food stamps
you’re fucking retarded

>>5240796
>Clients include Wizards of the Coast, Bethesda, and Games Workshop
those are all entry level clients not known for paying well or being particularly picky about quality
woc in particular is infamous for hiring shit artists for shit pay

>>5240796
>>5240866
This is why you don't want to become a dime a dozen generic fantasy or scifi merc_wip painter
If you want to have consistent demand you need to be recognizeable in some way
Establish a brand so that there's demand for it that only (you) can answer

can you even imagine having your abilities questioned on a daily basis
that would be so horrible haha thank god I’m male

>>5241581
>another thing that male artists usually don' thave to deal with on a daily basis
kek I bet your average /ic/ poster has been crabbed on at least a hundred times more than any of these tracing twitter thots

>>5241565
Can't tell if joking or not, if not jk which are some of the non-entry level clients that pay well?

>>5241627
Growing, lesser known companies
Giants like Bethesda or Blizzard get away with paying shit wages to their artist (and employees in general) because they know their names carry a lot of clout and you'll be able to stamp them in your portfolio when you're done working with them

>>5241589
>proving his point by calling female artists tracing twitter thots
also, just take a look at any thread or post here that mentions female artists. No one talks about male artists the way women are talked about here. Everything is boiled down to "muh women evolved for breeding and are incapable of making art" And if you dare say otherwise you get called a simp or tranny.

>>5240816
south america is like north america, if you go to a shitty city like idk tucuman in argentina its like going to detroit in the usa

>>5240846
its basically because the current method they use to verify transactions is like 100 times more inefficient than the other ones so it takes a shitload of computing power

>>5241110
tf is a dodge brush nigga

>>5240816
>>5240810
>>5240810
>Not being a digital nomad
I can live like a king with half that (1000usd/month) in "3rd world countries"
Quotations because there is no difference between their cities. it's not like you are living in the fucking jungle.
Chiang mai(Thailand) has better internet speed and many American states lol

>>5241627
anon, wotc pays like half what applibot pays, and that’s for the selling imagery like cards, most of their stuff might as well come from fiverr
the best you can hope from them is a couple of grand if you manage to weasel into their rare artists, so you best be hoping they die suddenly

>>5241114
>>5241651
>this is your brain on nip software

>>5241639
because this is 4chan, people have always said this kind of shit even just for kicks. how new are you? i bet next you’ll complain about how 4chan has racists. go dilate on reddit, nigger

>>5241661
>being this dense

>>5241639
Don't think I didn't check. This is the art of the "artist" this man was defending.
There is never smoke without a fire. If you go on twitter to spout dumb shit about how wymyn are oppressed because people call out that shit for what it is (a shitty trace that's probably just a photography ran through 20 filters) then I'm gonna deem you and your clique a bunch of talentless cocksucking chucklefucks no matter which hue of the rainbow you identify as.
Women are very much capable of making great art, in fact I maybe have more female artists among my favorites than I do males. I'm sorry if you felt targeted when I called a tracing thot a tracing thot.

>>5241639
>t. simp or tranny

>>5240904
Why do leftards always vote against their own interests?

>>5241263
Sure. Who’s that?

>>5241354
Ironic

>>5241379
Liberals love living in expensive, filthy, crime-filled cities so they can seethe about “backward hillbillies” and “draconian Republican lawmakers” who are out to get them in their Democrat-run shitholes. Then when they can’t take it anymore they move out, and poison their next host.

>>5241581
Did that fair maiden reward him with intercourse?

>>5241665
You literally cannot criticize women. Or blacks. That means you’re sexist/racist bla bla, you know the deal...

>>5241655
>digital nomad
You can avoid all taxes(territorial tax system)..but only if you aren't a citizen of the US or Eritrea(worlwide tax system) so unless he is willing to renounce his US citizenship, he will be taxed no matter where he goes.

I also make a living working for mostly western companies and jumping from country to country living like a queen

>>5240904
leftoids don’t understand the basic concept of economics. that “free” money and insurance has to come from somewhere. that’s from taxing everyone else. being paid by the government to do your extremely high skill job as a doctor is why in canada pretty much 90% of our doctors are pajeets that smell and do the bare minimum, and all our best doctors go to the states because it pays better. after all, if you have slaved away almost 15 years in post secondary, you probably would try to get your money’s worth if you can afford it.

>b-but muh doctors are supposed to help my country

doctors and surgeons are notoriously sociopathic and detached human husks, do you really think they care about you more than they care about their own best interests?

>>5240887
wife had cancer and they have 3 kids.
health insurance is that high because he had heavy wrist problems.
10 years ago he was one of the more famous concept art dudes and he pumped art like crazy but it really seems like he has stagnated into the usual wizards of the coast style. almost the same as algenpfleger.

meanwhile loish makes 4000€+ a month doing whatever she feels like.

>>5241709
>wife had cancer and they have 3 kids.
holy shit. why would you do that to yourself?
Id need to earn 10k a month to even just start thinking about bringing someone to this world. what the ufck
Control your dick bros. You don't want to end up like that

>>5241709
>being an artist in the 21th century
>not being a 3rd worlder
>having a wife an 3 kids to sneed and feed
Pick 2 and only 2 you greedy cunt

>>5241723
how old is daarken exactly? maybe it was different times. if he’s in his 40s, 2~3 kids were not all that uncommon to have while still being able to afford them.

dont forget we are still dealing with the chink flu. he might have earned more before the market was flooded with unemployed artists who were laid off their full time jobs.

>>5241723
I think he was doing pretty well 10 years ago, so maybe that's why he felt comfortable having kids all over the place. But I also remember him posting his schedule once and it was like 12+ hours a day working.

He also comes off a whiny victim, though. He probably does shit to himself (like having an assload of children), and cries about it online.

He's has multiple blog posts, which are deleted but can still be found cached, where he tries to dictate how other artists make a living. "Stop taking below this amount of money." Meanwhile, he's making a Twitter post about having to accept less money than normal.

>>5241723
getting a vasectomy was probably the best decision of my life

>>5240799
He's an idiot. You don't need insurance for anything in America, most hospitals give you a massive discount for paying cash and they have to perform any life-saving procedures regardless of if you pay them or not. Add on the fact that medical debt is ignored by creditors when considering your credit history, and legally they can do nothing to collect from you except call you. Not only that, but most people qualify for super cheap govt-assisted insurance anyway which will pay for most prescriptions outright

But of course we live in a nation of hypochondriacs who have been told since birth that anyone with an MD is an omnipotent genius and that drugs are the answer to all life's problems, while you eat your GMO Impossible Burgers and chug 2 liters of pepsi

>>5241731
turned 40 this year
meaning he was 27 when the crash hit, and the writing was on the wall long before that

>>5241757
>than normal
here's your answer chief, it's not particularly hypocritical of him. times are just turbulent right now and so his advice from more stable times has obviously lost its context.

also calling victimhood is a bit cringe, the guy isn't arguing about pronoun oppression, he has three kids and cancer to deal with and he can't afford his bills. sounds like a pretty legit reason to vent some steam.
>he did it to himself
so what now? drown 2 of the kids? or are you saying he should just never have had a family in the first place? certainly he could've done some things better (still can) but i don't think his woes are unjustified either

>>5241723
Thats why your race is diminishing and niggers grow in numbers like hell

>>5241777
i love mental illness

>>5240796
Crypto art is hilarious. All the people who tried to tell you modern art was a money laundering scheme are all trying to put their dick in this.

You need to understand how broke and bent over all these industry people are.

Imagine having to pretend you want to be part of an ART REVOLOUTION, writing manifestos more cringe than any artist statement you'd ever see on a college campus.

The circle jerk of ca.org to Artstation is the biggest joke of all time. Lying to you for years about an industry that doesn't even exist for supplemental income and to build their social media clout. The crypto bandwagon just proves it.

>>5241776
pretty much this, before those anons pointed out his family had cancer and he had 3 kids, calling him a whiner now sounds pretty cringe.

i feel bad for the guy even if his politics might be retarded, no one asks for cancer and he’s doing what he can to raise his kids like a responsible parent. not like he can even go to trade school or STEM at this point in his life either, guy is already middle aged.

>inb4 he should draw coom and furry

>>5241763
or just improve your pull out game+ have wear one of those pussy rings.

>>5241757
Check his twitter, his last kid came out in September last year.
he literally coomed in the beginning of the pandemic


also this >>5241655 you will literally pull out of the country lmao

>>5241787
even rich people are in on this, it’s not about the industry people being broke, but refusing extra potential income would be tempting as hell. imagine living off of passive income and freeing up your time to do whatever the hell you want. if anything, those are the guys that can afford the risk if it turns out blockchain art is worthless.

>>5241776
>advice from more stable times has obviously lost its context
nah, the whole "don't charge below this" is bs. free market all the way my friend
>>5241791
he had a terrible situation with 2 kids and decided to have another in the middle of the pandemic

>>5241550
1800 a month is nothing, I made 2000 a month fresh out of highschool 4 years ago. I don't even live near a big city. Remember stupid people like yourself will struggle under every system.

>>5241704
If you leave america for a year you stop having to pay taxes to america I hear.

imagine being mad about making $1600 a month? move somewhere else if you're struggling on that lmao.
i could unironically live for at least 6 months on that if im not absolutely retarded with money

>>5241810
what. 1800 deducted from your 2k leaves you with 200 bucks for groceries, electricity, rent, hydro, phone and internet.

to justify affording 1800 bucks for insurance you’d probably need a baseline of at least 6k a month depending on where you live and that’s if you’re alone.

>>5241821
>1600 a month
>roughly 10 dollars an hour
do you live in a third world country? that’s barely minimum wage.

>>5241828
minimum wage is $7.50

>>5241834
where?
in canada its 15 bucks.

>>5241834
Yeah, he did say "barely above minimum wage."

I'd expect an artist with his resume and experience to be making the equivalent of $30-$40 at least. If his pay is really that shitty then I don't know why he doesn't just go work in the stockroom at Target and do art in his spare time. They start at $11+ and probably give some healthcare to full-time workers.

>>5241639
Female on the internet is highly questionable with all the role playing autistic faggots around.
>no one talks about male artists the way women are
you shut your goddamn whore mouth
some fags on the webs talking shit about women pales in comparison to what men have to go through

This is exactly why men talk shit about women
>"don't forget about the womyns everything else don't matter never forget the vagina"
fuck women

>>5241801
>even rich people are in on this
do you know what a pump and dump is.

>>5241828
not him but I never spend more than
500 in rent
300 in food
100 in bills (water, electricity, internet )
I've been living in
souheast Asia
eastern Europe
western europe(not big cities)
South america
north america(not big cities)
You can live pretty fuckng comfortable all over the world.
Also, 3rd world country/city doesn't mean you live in a hut int he middle of nowhere

>>5241836
>canadian “dollars”

>>5241839
30% above is not quite “barely above” even if it comes down to 400 a month extra
people can and do live on that even in the US, and breaking your back for the same money instead of just chilling home and drawing
that’s all without even going into the “per hour” argument being moot when you don’t work 40 hour weeks as a freelancer, so your hours are effectively paid much better, you just work less
if that doesn’t suit you, go work in a warehouse

>>5241851
some people want to own a house to save money one day and plant/save their income instead of spending it all over the place. the end goal is to own property and retire for most adults.

this lifestyle sounds like one of those backpacker hippie stories. do you have a retirement saving? do you really plan to work the rest of your life even into your senile days? who will take care of you and where will you stay?

>>5241840
Not that anon but you wouldn't have schizophrenia, would you? Or is it just regular brain damage that prevents you from expressing yourself like a sane human being

>>5241880
anon just skipped the middle age stage and went straight for retirement
everyone here does the loan and house thing, then wakes up one day in their 60s and realises they have no idea what do with their savings so they either buy a boat, a porsche, or move to thailand and go through 3 whores a day waiting to die

>>5241868
>canadian “dollars”
well yeah, that’s what happens when you have “fuh-ree” healthcare, the economy bloats the prices and wages to keep up with the costs.

but living by on minimum wage at daarken’s stage of life and skill is /beg/ tier. is he unemployable or something or does he lack studio experience? has he really never worked a full time job?

at that point, a job at target or walmart really doesn’t sound that bad. i’ve seen old people work there all the time and i doubt their backs break over it. freelance money does fluctuate AND he has to pay taxes for his income, i feel people keep forgetting to mention that part.

at least walmart and target and other chains like that legally have to pay your wage on an hourly basis with the taxes deducted already, he could even do his freelance on the side to double his income.

>>5241880
You got it wrong, I was just listing some of my spendings. My income is about 2k/month with 0 taxes(unless you count vat)
also I'd rethink this idea of having a house asap as means of success
And while I don't intend to ever stop painting(even commercially), I do have plans for future me:

retirement and house: I'm investing 5k/year on index funds so should have more than enough to buy a house when I'm 50(basically the same if I buy a house at 20 with a 30 year mortgage) at the latest as well as a sort of pension so I'm not actually working to maintain myself but still working nonetheless(my own IP ideally)

>>5241899
except here’s the thing; your body isn’t young forever. you can get senile, lose your eye sight, develop tremors, become crippled, become senile and have alzheimer’s... the list goes on that can severely impact your working ability.

that’s where your savings and retirement comes in and having a nice house where you can treat it like a personal retirement home instead of being stuck in one where you have to deal with other seniors and their impending doom. it’s so your old ass doesn’t need to work or worry anymore and just coast one life comfortably until you keel over.

how young and naive are you to not be thinking of these things?

>>5241885
Stop using buzzwords you don't even understand, you gaslighting faggot.

>>5241920
>that’s what happens when you have “fuh-ree” healthcare
no, that’s what happens when you produce fuckall

>>5241948
how retarded do you have to be to waste the best years of your life preparing for a living hell just in case something unlikely happens and you lose your mental faculties and have to shit in a diaper
? you’re literally better off dead than living with that mindset

>>5240796
this nigger been doing it for 10+ years and still doesn't know how to create pleasing foreground, midground, background separation or decent compositions??? all his art in thumbnails looks like muddy random fucking shit, don't even need to see his mediocre detailing either

this dude seems like one of those cunts that was hot shit back when there was very little competition, and they could get by being a C+/B- tier artist, but are now getting passed up and dropped for people with more skill and better design/aesthetics

>>5241951
I'm sorry I've upset you, word salad-kun.

>>5241840
T.womxn

>>5241947
the sooner you have a house the more you can save money; property prices are ALWAYS rising (and that’s if you’re not looking into shit hole neighborhoods with high crime in the ghetto), this is why people try to buy homes early, and even buy apartments to flip the money and work towards getting a real house.

retirement, depending on how comfortably you want to live, i have projected roughly 500k in savings and that’s me being frugal, i believe it was the slightly higher end of the minimum recommended amount.

>>5241963
good luck trying to kill yourself then nigger, i would hope your alzheimer’s would remember the difference between your diaper and gun trigger

>>5241974
that’s like saying “the sooner you buy a camper, the sooner you can save money”

>>5240796
This is just average twitter fag complaining about "le industry" or "it no fair!!! we need change" because they make shitty choices and when confronted with solutions they don't even try.

"I've found myself doing jobs that only pay 1/3 of what I would normally get" then why the fuck did you take those jobs? Are you retreaded?

>>5241980
>y-you’ll be sorry when you don’t remember things!
hit a nerve, I see

>>5241984
>"I've found myself doing jobs that only pay 1/3 of what I would normally get" then why the fuck did you take those jobs? Are you retreaded?
Probably because he couldn't get anything else

>>5241981
lmao, holy shit. these are the kind of retards ive been talking to about career paths and art.

does a camper rise in value over time? is there a demand for campers? do you live outside the internet and have adult friends?

>>5241987
it sounds like you are projecting, how do you honestly intend to off yourself before you realize you have alzheimer’s? serious question, i’ll have my popcorn ready.

>>5241991
he couldn’t get anything because only draws one thing in an outdated, boring style
the reality is that his art just isn’t good in any way but the technical
he’ll make some nfts and they won’t sell because nobody gives a fuck

>>5241998
>muh rise in value
>you’ll see I was right in 40 years when I sell my house and get a lot of money
can’t wait for another 2008 to put you retards in your place

>>5242003
make sure you set aside some money for that popcorn loser lmao
brb planning suicide over a boogeyman disease with my shitloads of disposable income

>>5241974
look at the big picture, there are more houses outside merica.
>500k in savings
I should have around 2/300k by the time I'm 50. half of that goes to a house and the other half will keep making me money while I take only what I need each month

>>5241948
in the unlikely event that a crocodile eats my drawing hand or I get cancer for being too much on ic and I have nothing to fall back on my own, I can always go back to my socialist country, use their free healthcare(actually free for me) until I recover.

>>5241998
>rise in value over time
Why does that matter? we are talking about working as an artist to eventually get a home to live on,

>>5242010
>>5242015
>this cope for your lack of life planning
it’s really like i’m talking to a bunch of underage kids. once you’re off your mom and dad’s money and live in the real world you’ll understand.

>>5242017
>houses outside of america
and what country then? can you speak the language there? what about their government? their culture? so you know if their neighborhood isn’t some ghetto?

>of that 300k, you’re using it to buy a house
what? how long do you think you would retire? 5 years until you off yourself or something? i intend to retire at 60 so i can draw and paint whatever the hell i want without worrying about paying my bills all the way until i’m like 95, and i’ll hope i have enough until i keel over and have a few bucks left in my account.

>rise in value
you retard, it means if you thought a decent house in a good neighborhood would be 300,000 dollars now and saved that much, by the time your “retirement” comes around and you want to buy that house, it’s gonna be well over a million. do you have a million dollars?

>>5242065
>being this sheltered

>>5242093
>can’t refute logic so makes some random ass pull
i’m shocked at how sheltered and naive the anons here are, it’s really like you all think you’ll stay young and healthy forever.

>>5242099
not staying young and healthy forever is exactly why you should make the most of it instead of throwing it away to prepare for life as a husk of a man, retard
>nooooooooo I wish I didn’t have all that fun and spent that time working so I can have money to buy affection with now
your life is already over and you have no one to blame but yourself

>>5242104
>implying you can’t save AND have fun
even that nomad retard has retirement savings of some sort, but you anon?

i sure as hell hope someone young and dedicated loves you enough to let them live with you rent free and cares for you while you deteriorate in age and become less mobile and sharp.

>>5242017
wtf I was a millionaire net worth before 30, do American's really?

>>5242104
Go complain about capitalism on twitter already.

>>5242017
>what country/language/government/culture
That has little importance(although Eastern europe/southamerica looks promising in a couple of decades). English is spoken everywhere and you don't really need to mingle with anyone. That being said I can speak 3 languages and counting.
And you can easily tell if it[s a good neighborhood online, asking to friends or having lived there as a nomad before

>how long do you think you would retire
I would "retire" at 65, meaning start taking money out of my investments(while they still keep making me money), and since I already have at least 1 house, I wouldn't need more than 500/month to live off even if I'm still working.
from 150k.. that's about 25 years to live off, and If I'm still alive by 90, then I can sell the house, which has risen in value as you said, only to be passed on when I die.

>nomad retard
I'm not sure why you think I'm being delusional or something. do you really think I won't be able to buy a house for 100/200k in a couple of decades? even bad neighborhoods now can become nice ones in that time

>>5242125
capitalism is great, it’s the retards preparing for boogeyman diseases that complain about it and pay money for insurance, then demand they get it for free because it’s expensive and they want it

>>5242160
>boogeyman diseases
kek, nta but one day you're gonna have a very rude awakening

>>5242127
>country
a “promising” country will have its value and economics increase over time because not just you would be eyeballing it.

>retirement
what, so you already bought a house? like you own the property and not just rent? why were you saying otherwise before? somehow i find this hard to believe because there are laws about owning property and being a foreigner because they obviously put priority over their citizens over some rando but whatever, it means you bought the house early like i had recommended but for some reason you argued against.

>do you really think I won't be able to buy a house for 100/200k in a couple of decades

KEK, let me just tell you that whole houses and property used to cost only about a thousand dollars. now it’s well into its 300,000s and rising.

my entire point is that you can never know what happens in the future but you can look at trends and history and see that the world has been progressively getting more expensive and unaffordable over time as the world gets more developed. that’s why it’s better to save as much as you can while you’re young and while things are relatively affordable in case of:
>suddenly, an illness
>suddenly, i’m a cripple
>suddenly, the bread i used to buy is twice as expensive

the fact the retards i’m arguing can’t grasp this concept makes me realize just how retarded this place is.

>>5242127
> English is spoken everywhere

top fucking kek, i speak three languages too by the way but this is simply not true.

>>5242120
>>5242125
the irony is that I already own a 260 square metre house

>>5242168
you literally said here >>5241947
as if you didn’t own property already. at this point with your arguments all over the place i’m convinced you’re lying. what country by the way for your house?

>>5242176
you’re talking to multiple people, retard

>>5242184
it’s not my fault that i have to keep track of which retard i’m talking to because you’re both equally retarded when it comes to economics and finance.

good job, you have a house. still doesn’t mean you will be young and capable of working forever, unless you’re some seer who saw into your personal future and saw that you had zero health issues developing over time.

>>5240796
i hate to hear that he is having financial trouble but you have to take this with a grain of salt
he is a low tier grunt artist whose work looks like its stuck in the mid 2000's, from the style to the skill in digital painting it just looks outdated compared to the more successful artists you see today
this was one of the things Pete Mohrbacher always talks about with Wizards - they don't really pay you enough for your artwork when they make bajillions of dollars off of it and so you're better off trying to building your own empire. If you can get hired by Magic then you're skilled enough to build your own brand.

>>5242187
>hurr durr doesn’t mean you won’t die next week, you’re not psychic, you can’t know!
this is your level of argument

>>5242165
>a “promising” country...
I know, that's my point, there will always be promising places, where houses aren't worth half a million..

>so you already bought a house?
no, not sure where you got that, I said I was planning to buy one when I reach 50. my post are only with pics related

>it’s better to save as much as you can while you’re young
yes I agree, that's why I'm saving 5k/year like I said before.

>>5242167
c'mon I didn't mean it literally. my point still stands


Anyway, it was fun but gotta go to bed now, feeding some elephants tomorrow

>>5242196
>i’m gonna have my wit and health like i’m in my 20s forever even when i’m 80 or 90!
>i will never have unforeseen circumstances because i am immune because le doggo magic grants me immunities such as these!
and this is your level of argument

>>5242197
>still not understanding rising value of properties and the costs of retirement

fuck you’re hopeless, but whatever you’ll realize how you fucked up eventually. enjoy the elephants, i sincerely mean that.

>>5241448
>no drinking water
Isn't that a fairly large problem in some parts of America? I've heard stories of a city's tap water being unsafe to drink, or needing to ration water because the city's built in a desert for some reason.

>>5242202
>wanting to live to 90
>wanting to be a senile diaper shitter at 90
if disease comes at that time, I don’t give a shit, let it kill me
if it comes before I can just pay for the treatment because I have money and I have no reason to “retire” from the profession of painting, retard
cope harder for living like a drone lmao

>>5242205
re read this post>>5242017
he will have enough to buy a house at 50 and retire at 65

>>5242208
imagine wanting to be a wage cuck well into your 80s and 90s, how delusional. the oldest coworker i had seen was 50 years old and he thinks about retiring everyday.

ironically, working until the rest of your life is being the drone you absolute moron.

>>5242212
a house won’t be 300k by the time he retires at 65. that’s like 40 years later assuming he’s 25.

what part of rise in value of properties do you not understand?

people are living longer, property spaces and houses are becoming limited, the demand is getting higher because the world’s population is growing and countries are developing faster than ever. it doesn’t help that chinks are buying up cheap property where there are loopholes for foreigners to invest their money, leaving people to scrounge for houses to actually live in.

jesus christ. do any of you think beyond just your month to month?

>>5242219
dude read again
>countries are developing faster than ever.
exactly. No one is talking about buying a house in the most expensive city now.
In a couple of decades, there will certainly be a 2 bedroom apartment for 100k- 200k(not a shitty ghetto) somewhere in the world.

>>5242226
no you moron, can you into country laws and citizenships?

the developing countries are the third worlders and they want property just like you; guess what though, a country will always prioritize their long time citizens unless they are some cuck liberal country shit hole like canada where everything is expensive up the ass.

besides i doubt you wanna live in fucking india where the QUALITY isn’t even guaranteed for their developing country. just look at fucking china and their abysmal apartments; they’re the fastest growing nation but their quality is SHIT.

oh and apartments are already past the 200,000 mark; you’d be lucky to find anything in that range that isn’t located next to your local injection site.

>>5242231
>can you into country laws and citizenships
perhaps I should have mentioned it but I have 2 citizenships which gives me access to Europe and southmerica to live and work.
However, even if the apartment prices in those places aren't in my budget 20 years from now, many other countries have a golden visa just for buying a property.
Another idea would be to marry someone from that country.

>i doubt you wanna live in fucking india/ china
Who knows what their quality could be in the future. same goes for current high quality places.

>>5240869
>>5240904
We still have obamacare you retards
Are you saying the affordable care act was not affordable? Stupid.

>>5242213
do you even know what a wagecuck is, retard?

>>5242238
>just marry into the country
and good fucking luck with that; on top of being a parasite, you know that is a person you’re marrying right? not someone you can just kill after getting in the country like hunted game?
>20 years from now
and how much do you think the cost of a property would rise by then? you know it rises, but how quickly?

think this: the more our tech develops (and it develops QUICKLY) and how we outsource to other countries and become more and more globohomo (happening MORE AND MORE thanks to pandemic and remote work), the faster THOSE countries we guzzle the money into get develop. then they start looking into properties to own because now they have a standard of living they are used to and can afford thanks to foreign money and jobs. the property costs RISES as the demand gets HIGHER.

this is why you should be saving and hustling instead of throwing your money away “living the life”.

>china/india
all my fucking keks. i hope you never utter the words winnie the pooh on chinese streets while trying to avoid their piss stained street cars and hoping your rice isn’t plastic and that you haven’t been scammed into something for the 50th time that week.

>>5242256
are these non arguments all you can pull from your asshole? i am kekking. when i’m 60 and enjoying my retirement and still see you seething as you hunch over your desk stressing about paying your bills on time and realizing you were never super man.

>>5242259
>being a parasite
I thoguth it was implied I would'nt marry with only that purpose.It's an option that may come naturally as I keep dating. Either way, this is not one of my first options

>cost of a property would rise
why do you keep thinking about rich countries getting more expensive?
I'm talking about third world countries or even developing countries that are currently cheap to buy property on. Sure it will be more expensive in the future but it's not like they will jump from 20k to 1m
>throwing your money away “living the life”
nah bro I'm saving, I just don't agree that it will be impossible to buy a house for 1-200k in the fuuture

>all my fucking keks
Like you said, things are changing fast. who is to say these countries won't become freer? we are talking about decades man

crypto art is the perfect solution to bringing down the jewish gatekeeping on fine arts. any schmuck with a tablet can now create and sell unique pieces, which threatens their status which is why they have the trannies on full force pushing the carbon footprint meme on it. leftards are tools. don't fall for the new faith and its lies.

>>5241868
I'd classify 30% on $7.50 as being "barely" when you consider people on the high end of the art industry make six figures (and more if you're super high end). If you read the animation guild's list of salaries, they make around $30/hr minimum for the grunt jobs.

30% above 7 cents is 10 cents. Would you say 10 cents isn't barely higher than 7? You have to put things in perspective. As an artist with his experience, $10/hr is AWFUL.

You made a blog post in 2013 about leaving a studio (Mythic, I think) to go freelance. He could have been an art director making six figures at this point if he would have stayed in-house.

>>5242266
you’d be a parasite if you even saw that as a benefit to marry into the country. imagine if your wife heard that. also marriage is a terrible deal all around u less you’re sure she won’t cheat or steal your finances.

>expensive countries
nigger i was talking about developing countries and how they won’t stay cheap for long and explained how expensive countries BECAME expensive. holy fucking shit lmfao

>saving only 100k/200k for a house
are you literally underage? oh my god lmfao.... also i keep telling you how 100k won’t even BE THE STANDARD. it’s NOT EVEN STANDARD NOW. there’s a good chance in the future you won’t even HAVE property even if you have money if the final form of globohomo is achieved; you’d be waiting in line for that person to keel over and AUCTION FOR IT with a bunch of others going well over the asking price. IT’S HAPPENING NOW TOO! lmfao

>china
>free
ok now you’ve got to be trolling. they literally have a shame board for jay walking because cameras are everywhere analyzing your every movement and credit scores to keep you in check, and guess what, their laws are pretty retarded and draconian because the rest of their populations literally cannot stop scamming eachother for money and cannot stop running over their own children with their cars because they worship MONEY and have ZERO ethics or morals. also they are extremely racist, so good fucking luck with that.

>>5242266
also to add to that, i meant their ECONOMY is changing quickly, not their CULTURE lmfaoooooooo....

>>5242300
i just speed read; also to that anon; what is your definition of “free-er?” youre a foriegner, your opinion means NOTHING outside of your own country. china will fuckinf laugh and kick sand in your eyes if you think you have the right to make things “free-er” by your definition. they have a term for liberals like you, baizuo.

so funny how libs will run their mouth about freedom and impose their views on other countries. china is a shit hole but they’ll run their shit hole however they deem it fit and they certainly don’t need to hear from some foreign nobody.

>>5242276
first of all, take the guild guide with a grain of salt
second, reductio ad absurdum is not how you analyse things
if I did the opposite and said 400 trillion is a lot more than 300 trillion therefore 30% is a colossal difference, you’d call me a retard
and again, it’s not 10/h because it’s not his full time income, it’s a couple of jobs he picked up from home

>>5242263
>I’m a painter
>haha wagecuck
>wat
>lol seethe I’ll have so much fun when I’m 60 and you’ll be mad
pathetic

Where does he live? I saw on his website he went to school in San Fran but I don't know if he still lives there.
Seems like his CoL is way too high. Why not take that $5k and move somewhere cheaper. he works online, so he could go anywhere

>>5242293
>you’d be a parasite if you even
nah, that's just your opinion. Once again this is not planA

>nigger
I know they won't stay cheap for long but there will always be more developing countries. I.e africa.
>inb4, have fun living under a warlord xD
once again not my first option

>saving only 100k/200k for a house
my bad, I keep using house/apartment interchangeably. Specifically I mean a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment (50-80 square meters)

>now you’ve got to be trolling
Once again, not my first options. Just don't agree that a country is doomed forever and unable to change no matter the time.

>>5242316
can you cry a little harder, i wanna save your salty tears in a bottle so i can look at it everyday in my retirement and laugh knowing your boss is yelling at your for not meeting his deadlines.

I don't get the crypto thing. Does it just have more value because it can't be infinitely replicated?

>>5242321
>not my first option, not my first option...
lmao then what is? i said it before and i’ll say it again: all the nice ones will be expensive up the ass because you’re not the first genius to spot it.

well i’m done arguing with a liberal/moron who doesn’t understand basic economics and foreigner laws/citizenships and cultures. i’m just boggled how naive lib burgers are. even funnier when they run like cockroaches to another country instead of trying to fix their own and spread their mental disease.

>>5242312
It may be a fallacious argument, I'm not sure, but I do know I consider $10 barely above a $7.50 minimum wage. It's really shitty pay. Even where I live (central NY) the fast food workers start at $13.75. Target starts at around $13.

It just seems miserable. He apparently works 12 hours a day for those peanuts. You could get a job at Target, become assistant manager in a year probably making $17 at least. Department manager making $20+ within a couple years. If his life is really as he describes it then fuck that.

>>5242332
I'm more of an anarco capitalist myself

and I still hold I'll be able to buy an apartment for 100k in a couple of decades somewhere around the world

>>5242335
it’s not 10 bucks per hour, retard
per hour means you earn that much in an hour work, not that you would be earning that much per hour if you worked 40 hours a week
example: you do one job and get $1000
you worked 10 hours
that’s $100/h
if you do no other work that month, it’s still $100/h, not $6 or whatever

>>5240796
Someone explain to me in brainlet terms what this crypto art thing is
It just sounds like people trying to attribute value to random shit

>>5240810
The whole reason why insurance companies in america can get away with these kind of prices is because over 60% of people here have some kind of medical issue from obesity to cancer. And because of all the money they get from degenerates that can't just walk a mile a day, they get to legally bribe congressmen that lobby laws that allow them to fuck anyone and everyone side ways.

>>5242351
that’s just what it is on the surface
at its core, it’s fags holding huge amounts of crypto moving it amongst themselves in return for shit tier “original” digital artwork to create an illusion of a booming market of “original” .pngs, drawing the attention of artists and normalfags too introduce a fresh current into the crypto market, inflate demand, and thus increase the value of the boatloads of crypto they’re already holding and bringing it closer to legitimizing it as a real currency for the general population, thus again increasing the value of what they’re holding
the biggest transactions are all “anonymous” buyers and “anonymous” sellers or some crypto autist selling memes to other crypto autists

it’s basically the gamestop deal, but with pretend money instead of pretend stocks

Don't understand how such an established artist makes so little money, I have friends that make over 70k a year starting after studying art for roughly 4 years. I know Dave takes a hit on his finances on purpose for his Marvel stuff just so he can have their name on his resume, Daarken just seems like he can't adapt or doesn't want to.

>>5242206
>Isn't that a fairly large problem in some parts of America?
Yes. Flint, Michigan had such extreme lead levels in the water that it was almost unsafe to handle, let alone drink. Despite it making national fucking news around 2014 it JUST NOW got some what fixed. Most major cities in the US have large swathes of poor area's that have very spotty water and plumbing systems. America is very much a 3rd world country outside of small areas.

>>5242400
>over 70k starting
where and what job? i'm jelly. it took me 4 years to reach 65k.

>>5242206
Not him, I heard about this from a friend who lives in Florida. I think it was a mining company or something that was polluting his town's water, and the local government didn't do anything. It sounds like if you grease the right palms in the US, you can just fuck over the people.

>>5242419
these numbers are meaningless
what percentage goes on taxes? housing> food> etc?

>>5242436
that's why i'm asking where and what job duh

>>5242437
right back at you, you only gave a number.

>>5242443
furry inflation commissions, I get about 3 every month

>>5242450
I'm happy you made it anon, but still... I...

>>5242450
I was talking about expenses monthly
here's mine
0 taxes
100 company costs
500 on hosing
300 on food
100 on bills
100 on fun(movies, games, netflix, etc
40 on health insurance
100 on transportation( taxis andplane tickets
400 on investments(index funds) for retirement and future apartment property

monthly income : 1500-2000

did I make it?
pic related my level

>>5242443
you were asking me about my salary? i was the one saying i was jelly of the guy's friends making 70k starting. i'm assuming he's american.

my stats
>canada, toronto
>65k full time concept artist
>plus stocks in current company but i just let it vest. i also have full health benefits which is kinda whatever but i get to have my teeth cleaned for free basically
>roughly a third my monthly paycheck goes to bills, rrsp and food
>i put 1k or more away into savings just in case
>"play" money, roughly 1500 bucks leftover.

>>5242450
lmfao this is not me, i fucking wish.

>>5242419
Visual development at an animation studio

>>5242470
in the states? is it full time? if so i'm guessing it's cali and they joined one of those animation guilds? i have a friend that worked at cartoon network and netflix but she's constantly hustling which made me think she doesn't earn all that much and she's constantly stressed.

>>5242465
>>canada, toronto
isn't rent crazy expensive there?
or are you paying mortgage?

>>5242481
yeah it's expensive as fuck. i share a 1 bdrm apartment that's about 2000 bucks/month with my boyfriend though, so we split the rent.

>>5240796
honestly just sounds like a money-laundering scheme

>>5242476
Yeah, full time job, don't know if they're in the guild though

>i have a friend that worked at cartoon network and netflix but she's constantly hustling which made me think she doesn't earn all that much and she's constantly stressed.
Hopefully it has nothing to do with money. Netflix pays incredibly well from what I've seen, I know a lot of artists are often worried that they don't know how long their current gig will last especially if you're freelancing and that you might not get paid on time, sometimes 6 months to years later.

>>5242483
>2000 bucks/month
that changes things, if you split everything.
your monthly fixed expenses would be half your income for a single person. closer to mine >>5242462 in %

I'm not sure I'd trade traveling all over the world for just a more stable income.
that is if your game studio doesn't close down, If I remember correctly they all average a 4 year life before they close.

God, it's funny yet somewhat bothersome how you can tell which Amerifags have gotten out of their burger cage and know what the outside is like and which ones haven't and are trying to cope.

>>5242499
lol i didn't post my stats to get compared, i was giving people an idea why 70k is impressive as starting.

are you upset that i can save for retirement, a house, and have health benefits and dental and have 3 times the play money as you do?

my monthly income is around 5400 on a 65k salary, you said yours was 1500~2000 a month as income? i don't understand? you're freelance right? so doesn't this mean your earnings for 2000 bucks is on a good month?

>>5242508
>canadian dollars

>>5242510
2000 usd = 2525 cad according to google

>>5242498
yeah i hear ya on the freelancing thing. i know a few people who freelance or contract and they're constantly working and trying to find the next gig. damn didn't know netflix was that generous. i've had bad experiences with bigger companies but then again it was probably just them.

>>5242508
>are you upset
not at all, sincerely, I was just thinking to myself, how much money would I accept to stop living nomad and work like you.
Sure, you earn almost 3 times more, but its meaningless. that's why I wanted to know the percentage expenses. since we all live in different countries.
I can also save for retirement and house. Health insurance is kind of a concern. while I have one it probably doesn't cover as much as yours. but I can always fly back to my country and get treated for free if I get cancer I guess.

>1500~2000 a month as income
yes freelance. my total expenses are around 1600, so when there is a good month I can save for the not so good ones. I have half a year of savings that I've barely touched.

>>5242516
Oh and I meant 2000 euros so around 3000 cad, so its more like almost 2 times more

>>5241708
nice fanfic you wrote there
how ironic that america has the worst healthcare of any developed western nation and canada is close behind

>>5242528
2000 euro = 3053.52 cad

>almost 2 times more
so.... you're bragging for me by saying i still earn more than you while you travel around? if it was so meaningless why are you comparing my stats to yours lmfao!

and what does "travel" even mean? isn't it a pain in the ass to pack up and move your things constantly because of moving fees and plane tickets and such? did you account that into your billing? how much of your time is spent packing, moving and working? doesn't sound quite comfy to me.

>>5242534
>pays better
>don't have to work/care as much
i don't see the problem, no one said burgers and canucks had the best healthcare in the world.

>>5242534
USA #11

>>5241349
>daarken

IC hates any artist that isn't a generic animefag or coomer. Post anyone with any actual ability who's not anime or coom and you will see the armchair critics coming out of the woodworks to tear them apart, but post anime or coom and BOY OH BOY suddenly they all disappear and all you see is praise.

>>5241723

What makes you think those kids are biologically his? :)

>>5242554
I'm more of a liighten guy myself

>>5242554
it's because this board is literally filled with kids and libcucks. they praise anything that looks like a shortcut to fame and money.

>>5242554
fuck off retard, dragons and bald space marines were made fun since day one because everyone wanted to be a concept artist and the market was oversaturated with those
which is exactly why he’s not getting any work, he’s basically a professional fan artist, and it’s also why wotc &co pay peanuts, because every fanboy wants to draw those for them

>>5242546
>you're bragging
obviously no, this is all anonymous
I was making the point it doesn't upset me. because more important than numbers is the percentage of expenses.

>what does "travel" even mean?
basically jump from country to country every month(sometimes more). And yes, at the beggining it was quite annoying, buying ticket planes, airbnbs, etc. however its pretty easy now and I travel with carry on only so don't have much stuff.
I do account that into my expenses >>5242462 around 2000€/year on plane tickets
I only "lose" a day when packing, moving, settling and finding the next ticket/airbnb when the month ends.
Another thing worth mentioning. It's not like I'm a tourist 24/7. Most of the time I'm in the apartment working 5 days a week, 6-8h/day but with breaks all the time so basically all day inside except when I have to eat. I say is a bout 10 days of actual tourism in each country.

Ofc I'm just starting out, 3 years of freelance, almost one as nomad. So I hope I can earn more eventually. which of course makes it harder to go back to a job like yours.

I'm just saying all this because I've never heard anyone talk about this so I don't know if I'm retarded or a pioneer genius lol

>>5242554
You're delusional, if anything anime gets blasted on /ic/ more than everything else

>>5242567
This is true, you tell these weebs to stop copying anime and watch them retaliate with every form of excuse and mental gymnastics to try and persuade you otherwise. They deserve all the scorn they get.

>>5240950
>probably a troll, but just in case not: you have no humanity, and your lineage will not survive the trials this species faces.
reddit as fuck lol

>>5242565
> was making the point it doesn't upset me. because more important than numbers is the percentage of expenses.
if that was the case, why were you mad that i split my rent with my boyfriend and likening me to your level LOL. doesn't that just mean i saved on my own expenses? what if i just lived with a roommate? or maybe you're bitter because you don't have anyone to spend your money with or on?

>It's not like I'm a tourist 24/7. Most of the time I'm in the apartment working 5 days a week, 6-8h/day but with breaks all the time so basically all day inside except when I have to eat. I say is a bout 10 days of actual tourism in each country.

what's so different from your job than from mine? especially during the pandemic, everyone is working remotely from home? in fact my company even offers to let their workers come into the office optionally even after the pandemic. don't you have to constantly find your next gig to account for? the nice thing with working full time positions is that i can negotiate my pay and just keep climbing the ladder with my experience and seniority as well as getting a percentage of the company stock which seems to be the norm for full time employees these days. last time i cashed out stocks from my full time job, i got something like 38K CAD and used it to pay off my student loans and (oh you're gonna love it!) TRAVELED to celebrate.

you mentioned euros, so you're living in europe? that's the equivalent of someone taking a car ride to travel different states (or provinces in canada) and counting that as "traveling." with my pay, you can easily see that if you can afford to travel like you do, then so can i. companies DO offer vacation days, you know that right? except i don't waste my money like a retard and put it away as much as i can.

>>5240796
He should be lucky he’s making that much money for regurgitating polished turds of gollum/darth vader. There isn’t an ounce of creativity in any of his work, there are artists on /beg/ who are unironically more creative

>>5242562
>it's because this board is literally filled with kids and libcucks. they praise anything that looks like a shortcut to fame and money.

That's the problem with this board, nobody here is actually passionate about art. They're retarded weebs and coomers who saw people making big bucks drawing generic animu and porn and wanted to draw as a get rich quick scheme. Even deviantart has a better community

>>5242588
>why were you mad
I wasn't, I just said it changes things because it makes it cheaper. which is cool, congrats on the bf.
I like my privacy, even when I had a gf I didn't want to be roommates.
I'm not bitter either, really, I'm thankful for your replies, since from the outside I have no idea about the money side working for companies.

>what's so different from your job than from mine?
This is exactly what I wanted to figure out! and if I should even strive for a job like that. which is maybe why you assumed my comparisons came from a negative place.


>got something like 38K CAD
That's crazy good, can you take it out at any point? or even invest more?
I don't have any loans but that alone would probably make me accept the position lol how much in loans if you don't mind?

>living in europe
no. but I get paid in several currencies, mostly euros.
Long story short, I have an estonian company, from which I'm the only employee and since I don't work or live there, my company doesn't pay any company taxes.
And I don't pay any personal income taxes because I'm not in one country more than 6 months(among other things). which was the main reason why I started all this nomad shit.

I'm currently in southeast asia though, with south america as next destnation

I have another question, how much do you pay in taxes? I wouldn't be surpised if your actual income is like 100k before taxes
and how many vacation days? if I count all my tourism days, is about 3 months a year.

>>5242554
I see your point but those are just shit stirrers and they do that with everyone. I've seen anons ask "blog?" to very different type of drawanons here, especially the alternative generals

>>5241947
Pic you just posted reminds me of my favorite artwork.

>>5242639
That benis is completely covered in fur? What the fuck.

1.His current client list is basically just wotc.

2.That client base is like from 10 years ago when the standard for illustration and concept art was muuuch lower.

3.His portfolio didn't strengthen over time. You could argue that his art is worse now.

4. Dude has like a wife and 3 kids and health concerns. Shit was always going to be struggle in his scenario. Probably hard to level up your portfolio with so much responsibility.

5. If you're a mid tier artist like Daarkenn you have to do a looooot more than just depend on client work to make a good living. Have a good social media presence that you can spin into some sort of passive income like prints or a patreon. Fanart is one way and he doesn't seem into that.

6. If you want to make a killing doing just client work. You gotta be at the top of your field. I guarantee you from personal experience that not even top tier freelancers who have a stronger portfolio are making bank. Iiirc forrest imel was making 80-100k a year for example.

>>5242706
>Iiirc forrest imel was making 80-100k a year for example.

this forrest gump guy is funny

>>5242639
soul...

>>5240796
oh hey I've studied from this guy.
19 dollar daarken class
and yes Im giving it away
WhO wAnTs iT?

>>5242633
>this entire post’s tone shifting to a 180
ok... sounded like you were coping and seething for making more than you.

>38k thing
i said i cashed it out, so yes all of it was “taken out”. of course, wired to my bank and not in literal cash. i could have vested for longer if i stayed another year but i was leaving the company because my 2nd company offered more, and their (first company) stocks were at a good high at that time. my loans were maybe 25k left at the time, it was my first job so it was a miracle i could pay it off within 2 years out of graduating when most take 8 ~10 years to pay off their 48k loans if just paying the minimum rec amount. (with interest floating) i hustled a lot in my first couple years out of school to whittle it down to that amount and once took 3 freelance gigs on top of my full time. around tax season i got back my money and put that into my student loans too to pay it off.

all the numbers i gave you is post tax deduction, but if you mean filing my taxes, i contribute to my rrsp enough to offset the costs and last year paid out a little over 1k.

i don’t know where you got the 6k figure? unless you’re counting my company stock?

i have 4 weeks vacation, unlimited sick days, 3 personal days. are you sure about the 3 months? if so, it’s no wonder you’re not earning that much.

not sure what kind of gigs you get, but i took a step down from the effort/energy needed to produce the art in favor of more money and have more energy for my personal projects. basically i get paid to draw cute maplestory tier stuff at work which is ez mode compared to hyper realistic cinematic shots.

>>5242554
No shit, anon. Why else you think most of the retards that make it here are coom artist, lol.

>>5242730
6 figure, not 6k figure*

Speaking of crypto I want to invite you all to McDonalds Coins Art Exhibit featuring unique NFT’s @ Pete’s Art Gallery.

>>5242567
Anime does get shit on, but it has the highest amount of whiteknights defending it and literal threads shitting on it gets deleted by jannies.

>>5242574
/asg/ leaks out of containment way too often.

>>5242742
shoo cryptonigger

>>5242730
>tone shifting to a 180
nah you just misinterpreted me, read my posts again if you want.
>8 ~10 years to pay off their 48k loans
lol why would anyone still do that with all the current online resources is beyond me.

>post tax deduction
well obviously your cost for the company is not just your salary or where do you think the healthcare and all public goods comes from. So I guess you just don't know the number.
In my country, there are little taxes in the payroll paper and people really think it's the company paying for them.
That's why I said I wouldn't be surprised your actual gross salary is in the 6 figures.

>4 weeks vacation

yes its around 3 months, but not all at once of course. couple of days here, a night there, etc. longest I had was 8 days, island hopping in the Philippines.
sick days are included in that I suppose

I get the usual dnd commission, sometimes bigger gigs with companies(card art) and once or twice a year a big one that last a few months. don't really have any issue being "just a hand" drawing for others.
Although I do plan on developing some sort of IP, think Angelarium or steve lichman in the future to not have all my eggs in one basket.


>no wonder you’re not earning that much.
well that's the thing, live to work or work to live. I'm still figuring it out.

Thanks for the info roastie ;) I'll still be a nomad for a while.

>>5242807
Kek

>>5242639
how much did you pay for that?

>>5242856
$450

he sounds like he barely works
did get any condition that undermines his productivity?

>>5242639
Damn furries can replicate edward georgi

>>5242675
Only her balls are furry

>>5241766
You are kinda stupid, because if you can't pay that means that the hospital then has to pass on the cost to everyone else which means that else paying insurance has to pay more.

Also, that's just for hospitals. What about visiting a doctor regularly so you don't have to constantly go to the hospital when it's too fucking late?

How do I sell crypto art?

>>5240797
the fucking absolute state of /ic/ oh my godddddd

I haven't visited here in years, but I came tonight expecting the entire board to be freaking out about NFTs, and there isn't a single mention anywhere.

How are you guys not all in on this already? Holy fuck.

>>5243018
it's because people are skeptical as they should be

someone correct me, but i heard you need to pay a fee in order to have your art in circulation with these cryptoniggers. if so, then there's more risk than gain from participating if no one buys your shit. from what i can gather, it seems the people who are already established are the ones that get to cash out while the amateurs/nobodies drown.

>>5243026
>it seems the people who are already established are the ones that get to cash out while the amateurs/nobodies drown.
As it always is. As it should be.

>>5242246
Obamacare isn’t universal healthcare, Obama was a centrist at best trying to appeal to right wingers who wouldn’t want to compromise anyway.

>>5240869
>dude, if you don't spend $20,000 a year in insurance, you might have to pay $4000 once every 20 years

>>5241880
If your work is art then your lifestyle isn't going to be the generic work hard get good retirement. Entertainment industry is tough and everyone wants in. The work is about the passion not the retirement funds so go get a humble place to live if u want to live off your art. You get to have retirement shit when you get good or give up for construction or some shit.

>>5241379
Good point desu, there's better artists than him who went to live in cheap euro cities when freelancing.

>>5241379
Damn I really gotta think about moving out the country.
This isn't the first time I've been confronted with the reality of the US' high living expenses.

holy shit the sheer number of kids on their parents insurance trying to actually argue healthcare policy in this thread

>>5240796
Wtf doesn't coomer art make more than that?

Also I don't get what's the point of making that kind of stuff public, like "industry has to change or else I quit". Maybe it has to do with this kind of attitude

>>5243018
>>5243026
I'm not the first poster but
Ppl are "skeptical" cause they're too fucking dumb to understand how crypto works. I noticed lately that most people don't even know that you can just buy a fraction of a coin and leave it in the wallet so that in 10 years it's worth thousands. We all know here that most people don't own ANY crypto. Shit, even the drug dealers I know don't take crypto. If you understand how it works, it just makes no sense to not use.

>>5242376
All money is pretend, dummy. You can call these people ridiculous as much as you want, that shit is still worth something, like baseball cards or mtg cards or whatever else you may also call worthless, pieces of paper, etc

>>5243506
Basketball and MTG cards have value because they're physical luxury goods that people want
Digital artwork that you can copy in a fraction of a second has value because...?

>>5243530
Copy one in full res for us pls

>>5243454
Not necessarily, there are a ton of states with low costs of living. I'm moving out of New York as soon as I can get a stable 800 bux a month minimum for my work.

>>5243530
it doesn't. digital "goods" are intrinsically worthless by virtue of being infinitely replicable at little to no cost. adding a cryptographically unique string does nothing to change that, it's ridiculous. you could add DRM to prevent people from copying it, but then what's stopping someone from just hitting PrintScrn and saving a screenshot?

proponents of cryptocurrency are grifters and/or criminals. almost every single problem the blockchain "solves" is already handled by existing technology with greater efficiency and less energy use, and the only things the blockchain is actually good for is constantly used by russian criminals. it's useless as a currency due to it's volatility and built-in deflation dissuading owners from actually spending it and it's just a massive fucking waste of energy, primarily using coal power, contributing to climate change. cryptocurrency is a net loss for society and the planet. can't wait until this shit gets outlawed by world governments.

>>5242557
I.. I am.. I AM COOMING!

>>5243594
Can’t let the goyim have anything, right?

OMG I DONT WANNA BE A CRIMINAL!!

Guess I’ll just delete all the stolen brushes and books I got here too.

This board is just so full of transvestites, commies and kikes

>>5243530
>>5243594
Anyway, what you think is valuable or moral is totally irrelevant. If someone pays for shit, it has value. Also, you fucking faggots forgot most of us produce digital goods

>>5243602
cool are you actually retarded?

>>5243606
>Also, you fucking f*ggots forgot most of us produce digital goods
yeah but i dont try to sell it like a retard because i have an actual job

Why is Daarken's art so mediocre?

>>5243673

>>5240796
Jesus I might work a soul crushing wage-slave job, but at least I pull in $2400aud+ a month (not really much desu, but that's what I get for being a drop-out shit-kicker), and I've only just started wondering what money I could earn from my art on the side nowadays, I've got a spare 10 days a month where I'm not working...I don't pay for shit like insurance or private health cover though, but Australia's public Healthcare system isn't fucked like America's, and I can safely park my car on the street where I live without worrying about din-do's stealing it.

I really need to get a side hustle going with art...I'm gonna have to pull my finger outta my ass and figure out where to begin.

>>5243503
Why would a drug dealer accept crypto, which in most cases in only semi anonymous, has insane price fluctuations, where he'll need to wait for the transaction to complete. When he can just use paper money which is basically completely anonymous, stable and instant?

>>5243606
>Also, you fucking faggots forgot most of us produce digital goods
... We get paid for producing the goods which is an important distinction to make. The second we put the goods out on the net then it loses all its value because THEN anyone can access it, save it etc. Which is why I'm highly sceptical about that art crypto movement ever really picking up steam.

>/ic/ begs acting like he's bad
based retards

https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&artist=+[%22Daarken%22]

>>5243690
Because then he has to meet with the buyer, which limits his market to the area he can physically reach. Also, if other drug dealers can physically reach the same area, he might get shot by them.

>>5243594
>digital "goods" are intrinsically worthless
Digital goods cover several entire branches of industry, and probably hundreds of billions of dollars.

>>5243774
https://www.google.com/search?q=mike+daarken+lim&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS860US860&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjg5cySoJTvAhXqoFsKHRMqBvsQ_AUoAXoECAgQAw&biw=1600&bih=799

His stuff is mediocre at best. I don't know why you're so offended by that.

>>5240796
>environmental impact
You cannot be employed on the most superfluous of human activities, made possible solely by the sacrifice sweat and blood of men much larger than yourself only to be a faggot and try to preach about something you have no clue.

>>5242945
>that means that the hospital then has to pass on the cost to everyone else which means that else paying insurance has to pay more
The government will just print more money and throw it at the problem, like they do with any issue.

>>5243774
fuck is there a site where I can actually see magic artwork not for ants?

>>5242721
Actually his shit have helped me a lot over the last 5 months. His process is very comfy to work with.

>>5243807
This I agree with and can't stand people who preach about what we should be doing when they're able to draw for a living due to others destroying their bodies to make that possible.

"I'm able to live in a downtown LA apartment and type this from my iPhone because of industrialization and people dying in coal mines, but fuck them they're terrible people. I'm one of the good ones."

>>5243774
soulless

>>5240796
Jesus christ, this thread.

>>5244274

>>5244274
It veered off into talking about life planning and shit, but the point is if Daarken can't live comfortably doing this than what are the chances any of us can?

>>5244403
If you haven't managed to read the thread yet ill say what other anons already said. His wife got turbo cancer, he got 3 kids (at least one of them very young) demanding his attentions constantly, long history of mental illness and deep depression and meds fucking him up. He said in some post like 2 years ago i think that he manages to get about 4 hours of work in every day before other shit takes up his time. If you'd be as skilled as him and lived alone in your mothers basement I'm sure you'd be rolling in shekels.

>>5244420
>he got 3 kids (at least one of them very young)
and last one in the middle of the pandemic
no one to blame but himself desu

talk bout COOMERS

>>5244428
>no one to blame but himself desu
I don't disagree with you, just saying that he would have no problems with sustaining himself without the massive clusterfuck of things on his shoulders.

>>5240796
>get out of usa
>go to a civilized country
>problem solved

>>5244438
>IRS enters the thread

>>5242894
That's too low for such a quality.

>>5244433

Sketched me out when he said $1800 a month for healthcare. Easy to live paycheck to paycheck that way

>>5240799
yeah health insurance is retarded, i know that hospital bills are riduculous over there but how fucking often do you need to go to the hospital? I've never had to go once in my adult years.

>>5240797
>>5243026
>someone correct me
Its not as open as it should be yet. But you set up an account with say a metamask wallet. Buy some Eth, 1 is fine, from coinbase. Send the ETH to metamask and then find a site like Rariable to set up a NFT. You draw it and then I believe pay the Eth gas fee to list it. Rariable does take way too much still. Only 10% of sale price goes to the artist but you can see what some of its like right now.

https://app.rarible.com/

This stuff is pumping. I imagine once you establish yourself as a highly wanted artist you can start to sell more stuff at a higher listing price.

Someone sold some anti trump 9 second video on there too for $6 million recently for example.

The reason its desired is because its on the eth chain, every TX can be traced. So every artwork can be traced back to the original creator to verify its authenticity. Idk, just thought some anons here might want to check it out to make money.

>>5243594
>"solves" is already handled by existing technology with greater efficiency and less energy use
Nobody is using crypto for increased efficiency or energy use. Its decentralization and complete control over your money.

>>5244438
>you still owe taxes even if you move abroad
>it costs nearly $3k to renounce citizenship and a judge must approve it
>if you get approved to renounce citizenship you must submit a separate application to the IRS must also grant approval for you to stop paying taxes. if you make over a certain amount of money you must pay a release fee before they will grant approval