/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How come I tried many resources yet none worked
Talentless from birth to grave?

fuck off no talent schizo

(Please don't delete my typing, it's all I am, it's all I have left, is it? it's all I feel like)
No advice has worked on me, /co/ lied to me, I just wanted to improve, draw like my heroes but I don't share something with them, talent?
I'm too old for art at 20 years

I must have done something wrong, tried so hard to draw what I felt
Got no reward, no progress just to give up at the start
Why is it that I failed?
What is it that I got wrong?
What is it about me? The only ONEEEEE
that knew how to fail
every single
every single TIMEEEE

What is it that I should blame?
Why did I get wrong?
Don't delete as it goes
I deserved an answer to the query
The intrigue
What is it that made me fail?

Not all can learn to draw, to draw to draw not all can do ita

I tried so hard, I did my time, I tried day after day
Fooling myself into seeing progress where there was none

Lies can't last a lot
What did I do wrong? I tried and tried more
Months piling up, can't deal
Barely an inch on the road, fake promises of mastery, of skill, deluded idiot
I just keep failing and failing, why?

I see most mistakes, catch them early
yet couldn't fix them all
Why is this my fate? To fail
First 3 months, I could take it, I could enjoy it, I could delude myself into thinking that I was going somewhere

reddit
/ic/
/co/
I've been denied help and hope
Been denied sympathy, what have I done wrong? I've done nothing against you
I just kept failing and that's why you hate me and want me gone
I'm proof not all can do it, I'm proof some will never draw
Talentless
Months entire months gone
months entire months flushed
months entire months out of my control

When I ask if I should give up, I get told yes, no one else gets it
I'm irredeemable, affront towards art, I'm a capital sin, unforgivable and tained
Tainted since I was born
Why me? Why me?
There's only so much failure someone can take

Aspirations only hurt you more
You fail once and you fail to improve
You're done
Why me?
Aspirations killed me and I can't take it anymore
What's an aspiration anyways?

What's the fix
Aspirational lobotomy
Kill your dreams, drown them and destroy them
Kill your comics, kill your characters, kill your inspirations
Can't hurt me if they're dead

>>5239563
did you try just enjoying the process of making art? work with the skills you have right now and stop dreaming of white things you don't have.

If I give up as I have done before
I'll just try to return
I black out when I try to draw and grab a pen
I'm traumatized
>>5239626
I used to
I'm traumatized now, I can't take it
I have asked a million times by now, but tell me why did I fail? Why am I inferior?
Everyone agrees I should just give up

you have a very overinflated sense of self. you act like some sort of protagonist when you're a meaningless side character and the world wouldn't care in the slightest if you disappeared. nobody wants to see your art, nobody wants to listen to you cry, and the universe at large doesn't give a single shit about you vanishing from the face of the earth

>>5239634
and what about you? Does it care about you? You're text on a screen to me, I click another tab and you're gone
You're not even real to me, I'll write and post this because I need to know.

>>5239563
You seriously need help before your undiagnosed narcissism causes catostrophic ego death.

Ya done venting?
good, now fuck off and go draw something you like instead of seeking attention on 4chan

>>5239639
vanish

>>5239644
Why would I draw again? Why would I waste my time drawing?
/co/ and /ic/ told me quit, told me about what a failure I am, they called me talentless
never did I get called GMI
Is it over? It feels like it.

>>5239643
I'm not a narcissist, please tell me why did I fail? Why am I so talentless?
What's my problem in art?
I'll never ever ever be able to draw like my heroes?

>>5239652
>I
>I
>my
>I
>my

You are a narcissist.

>>5239652
It's not about skill retard
It's about goals
Start a project, something tangible rather than lose your time waiting for approbation by losers online
If you're not able to find a goal (make a comic, design stuff for a game, specialize in fan art or something I don't know...) no matter how many doodles and hours of practice you put in, you're in a dead end
you need to pivot HARD and change the way you see art

Different nigger
>>5239690
>>5239634
Kys niggers, narcissism is a meme and not real
>>5239648
If you improved at drawing traps you could make it easily

Now for ME, how do I make it? I suspect that I’m running in circles and have gone nowhere fast, here are some sketches and studies of things, not my best since I’ve been aggressively nihilistic of late

>>5239648
how could you be gmi if you have not finished any work?

>>5239703

>>5239703
>now for ME

Oh wow is this the narcissistic personality disorder general?

>>5239703
Stop laughing at me, what have I done to you?
>>5239695
It's about skill, /co/ and /beg/ /ic/ told me I'm trash
I'm too scared to even try, I black out, I break down crying if I think about drawing, if I don't I just won't do it, space out, I'm scared, I can't take more failure, I'm sorry Ilm so sorry

vanish

>>5239727
>>5239708
Fuck you, how come the schizo nigger has gotten many thought out and carefully constructed replies while I’m left to dry? You fucking crackers, I’ll kick the shit out of you if I get my hands on you, won’t need to since you’ll probably kys from shame after seeing my work when I finally make it

>>5239754
am i nigger or a cracker...

>>5239754
Both of you are severely mentally ill. The only well thought out construction you two need is a secure padded cell.

How can I ever hope to draw and improve, be an artists when people told me this
>>>/co/121223921
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5190774
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5191052
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5191231
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5191749
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5192069
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5193119 BRUTAL
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5193148
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5193152
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5193165
>>/ic/thread/5190763#p5193186
>>/ic/thread/5227167#p5227222
>>/ic/thread/5227167#p5227289
>>/ic/thread/5227167#p5227451
>>/ic/thread/5227167#p5227933

>>5239762
At least they are so obsessed with competing for attention they are isolating in this thread. lol

Why am I talentless? pLEASE just help me
tell me the exact why, the reason
I need to know what I need to blame
Is it my blood? My brain? My soul? Is it my mind? My genes? My mind? What is it?

>>5239788
It's your mind.
Ask someone to help you get help.
Then you can get good after.

>>5239800
But I did my practice
I did my practice
explain that

https://mental-health-matters.com/narcissism-faq-the-narcissist-and-negative-input/

>>5239802
Explain what?
I said you need need a therapist and possibly medication before you can get good.

>>5239806
https://immagic.com/eLibrary/ARCHIVES/GENERAL/JOURNALS/P110331D.pdf

>>5239771
>>5239762
Fuck you, I’m not mentally ill like the schizo nigger, I just want some specific tip to help reach the next level. I’m starting to think there might unironically be a hidden secret the pros keep from us

>>5239812
Ignore my personality
Whats wrong with my art? with my 6 months of drawing
this is my first drawing please help me
please please please help me
pic related was my first serious drawing 6 months ago plus 2.7 months of not drawing

>>5239814
https://www.understandingmind.com/why-do-narcissists-need-so-much-attention/

>>5239822
>>5239814
>>5239806
I dont do it for the attention
I want the answer as to why IM talentless
please tell me what makes me talentless
I wasnt born with talent
Im bored should I kill myself?
.50 to the brain

>>5239822
https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/6017/5254

>>5239832
>>5239831
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_supply

>>5239821
You have to practice more, but you wont, because you are mentally ill.
do you live with your parents?

>>5239704
im too scared, im only going to fail
I tell myself im going to draw my ideas but im too scared im only going to fail
should I end it?
>>5239643
>catostrophic ego death.
Doesnt sound that bad
sounds like I could use it
I like feeling spaced out, dissociated

>>5239838
>>5239835
Just got done crying
I feel so distant, so tired I love it
existing is painful
tell me about this ego death

>>5239832
>>5239835
Based
Instead of replying to him we should just post medical articles and wiki links
Only way to properly help that guy

>>5239835
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6970445/

feel it going, as it dies, as I die
How to achieve Ego death?
pic related is my life, i dont want it
i tried so hard to improve i want to go back to the void

>>5239850
>>5239844
I posted >>5239643
I’ve experienced ego death several times through psilocybin and sativa leaning strains of weed. I’m relatively mentally healthy but people with narcissistic traits, I advise against this type of mental exploration. I called it catastrophic for a reason, people who have falsely inflated egos are prone to suicide upon ego death, or at least a mental breakdown. Look at what happened to Conor Murphy.

>>5239850
https://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help

>>5239849
https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/14-signs-of-narcissism

>>5239867
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229095585_Narcissism_and_implicit_attention_seeking_Evidence_from_linguistic_analyses_of_social_networking_and_online_presentation

>>5239866
>giving him a way to off himself
You *know* he's gonna try it

>>5239874
https://encompass.eku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1030&context=psychology_fsresearch

>>5239880
https://www.iflowpsychology.com.au/post/narcissists-need-for-supply

>>5239866
Do you believe in an afterlife anon? I don't, it gives me comfort, true death, nothingness, peace.
I will be released of all my concerns, of all my issues and all of you, we will all die, true death, true peace.
I should attempt this, go back home.

>>5239885
https://www.mind-diagnostics.org/narcissism-test?utm_source=AdWords&utm_medium=Search_PPC_m&utm_term=narcissistic%20personality%20disorder%20test_e&utm_content=82034863886&network=g&placement=&target=&matchtype=e&utm_campaign=8046094455&ad_type=mind-diagnostics&adposition=&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvvKBBhCXARIsACTePW9sXb3wg-zJPsOtmCNghQaNrq2WEf2RtNhgNkFMYzlfh5_nr7u5YZIaAiRUEALw_wcB

>>5239866
Do you think he's right?
>>/ic/thread/S5227167#p5228034
Posts like those keep me up at night
If people say I can't do it, then I can't do it

>>5239875
If he kills himself it’s the mods’ fault for not banning him for his own safety like many people have been saying

>>5239903
That's true too, but let's not fuel it further

Attempted suicide by starving myself, basically chaining myself
>>5239893
>>5239866
Do you think I don't notice I'm talentless?
This disgusting attempt at watercolor was done following this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzwYEsnA7Kk
One single attempt and I never dared to try again, I'm talentless.
Constant asking and getting answers, being told I'm indeed talentless and will never be a good artist has left me broken, in shambles, traumatized, please tell me more of it, so I can suffer more, so I can one day be too traumatized to ever attempt, too traumatized to remember I even tried, please set me free
Please help me either kill my aspirations or myself

>>5239908
Lasted 2 days
Cutting failed, I was too scared about tendons
Could have tried hanging
Now, .50 to the brain seems a bit definitive, can't back out on from that one
Drowning, I always liked that one, tried it at the beach

>>5239908
https://hrcak.srce.hr/file/259953

>>5239893
>>5239914
Do you think he's right?
How can I destroy my ego, experience dissociation beyond what I already knowaaa

>>5239908
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5191918/

>>5239910
https://www.theguesthouseocala.com/narcissistic-personality-disorder-and-suicide-everything-you-need-to-know/

>>5239908
https://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help

i just wanted to draw
be like my heroes
I had fun drawing like yuasa here>>5239614
its shitty but i like it
went back and added the skin
didnt like that much
Im tired
I want to go back to the void
Im a parasite thinking cancer
Im so tired
and bored

This thread has been active for almost 3 hours that you could’ve been studying instead of whinging.

>>5239945
What would I even study? all the things I tried have failed, im too scared to try, i either cry or space out if i try to draw now, i just cant bring myself to do it
besides what resource
I WANT THE RESOURCE THAT WILL WORK FOR ME
reddit told me to draw from life
figure drawing from life but thats too scary, im agoraphobic, i cant do it, besides im not talented enough for real art education
I dont want to waste more time drawing without progress, only failing
Ill only draw if Ill actually improve but people tell me >>5239893
>>5239765
are they right?

>>5239951
https://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help/immediate-help

>>5239951
https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/personality-disorders/the-5-most-common-symptoms-of-borderline-personality-disorder/?utm_source=AdWords&utm_medium=Search_PPC_m&utm_term=_b&utm_content=118051369647&network=g&placement=&target=&matchtype=b&utm_campaign=11771068538&ad_type=text&adposition=&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvvKBBhCXARIsACTePW83omUnoU1ROwAoyFVZ5zZanp9AXX13KpsVSJjCot33Sp3dnKPFo4caAgSDEALw_wcB

just disappear

TELL ME HOW TO IMPROVE
WHAT RESOURCE IS A GUARANTEED RESOURCE
THAT WILL MAKE ME IMPROVE

>>5240166
QUIT AND LEAVE

>>5240174
Why?

>>5240166
https://www.wikihow.com/Treat-Schizophrenia

>>5240178
No, I want to be better at art because I want it
simple as that
tell me how
what resource?

>>5240180
Don't you want better mental health? It will help you draw better too.

>>5240180
https://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help

>>5240184
>>5240188
The faster you help me improve
the more useful and truthful your answers are
the faster I leave
It's going to be like that
So Im asking again, how to improve?

>>5240190
have you tried Loomis?

>>5240190
>how to improve?
Treat your mental illness, I'm not trying to insult you, I'm telling you the absolute truth: Get help. This will be the fastest and most effective path to improvement.

>>5240190
https://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help
>>5240197
This.

>>5240193
Yes, he's a scam
>>5240197
Again, the FASTER you HELP ME
the SOONER I LEAVE
I dont intend to waste more time drawing unless I IMPROVE I GET BETTER
ANSWER WHAT I ASK OR NOT

>>5240175
Because all you do is whine and will never improve.

>>5240210
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20354449

Resources, I need better resources to learn
>>5240215
What makes you say that? Why?
Why should I quit? Why will I never improve according to you?

>>5240210
No one can help you, just quit and leave.

>>5240221
Why? Make a good case, strong evidence and arguments, and I update my orders, I leave, but that's if you can do that

>>5240220
He who says he can and he who says he can’t are both right. No one with your attitude has ever done anything noteworthy.

>>5240210
I think you should try Loomis again

>>5240223
You’re ignoring everything everyone’s telling you. At least pick up a tripcode so we don’t have to read your garbage whinging

>>5240223
The world is big, anon. Drawing is not all there is to life, if you don't enjoy it, there's a lot of other things to try.
Just get off /ic/ and find something you like.

>>5240229
nOT A GOOD CASE
thats one attempt
ill give you two more
make a good case and I leave
>>5240227
Why? We failed at that
>>5240225
Why? Be specific

>>5240237
Loomis isn't a scam, the way you act makes me think you rushed through him and probably most of the resources you used without properly taking time to process the material. Try him again

>>5240236
That's two, one attempt more
You could make me leave, I'm a being of my word, I would leave if you made a good case
bUT YOU WANT ME HERE OR SO IT SEEMS

>>5240242
fINALLY, someone who can do more than the usual bullshit
Now tell me, how has Loomis helped you? Can you be precise
What do you think about my 6 months of drawing? Should I quit yes or no, in your opinion
How below average is my progress?

>>5240247
>6 months
>0 progress
Quit.

>>5240258
This.
Even a literal kid can see at least some improvement in half a year. It's pointless for him to continue and no amount of ressources will help him

>>5240247
>Now tell me, how has Loomis helped you? Can you be precise
Basic anatomical reference points, I can construct pretty much any pose from imagination, get pretty good likenesses from the ideal head
>What do you think about my 6 months of drawing? Should I quit yes or no, in your opinion
If this is actually how you feel about art and you aren’t venting or trolling, yes you should quit.
>How below average is my progress?
It looks like you didn’t put try at all to be honest.

>>5240262
>Basic anatomical reference points, I can construct pretty much any pose from imagination, get pretty good likenesses from the ideal head
Based
People shit on Loomis constantly but he's really helpful

>>5240258
>>5240259
Point out to me, where has there been zero progress
Let's compare
otherwise you're crabbing me

>>5240262
Have you checked this thread?
>>/ic/thread/5190763
Before we go on, have you checked this thread
>>5240262
>It looks like you didn’t put try at all to be honest.
How so? So I really had no progress then? So all those people telling me that it's part of the process that I was doing "ok" were lying to me?
I knew it

>>5240259
Why? SO I HAD ZERO PROGRESS IN 6 MONTHS

It could just be that you’ve hit the plateau of skill and it’s time to move on from grinding fundies into actually drawing expressive pieces of art. Not saying that you’re a skilled artist now, but at some point you need to put down Loomis and start sketching out ideas for original artwork. You can only shade so many spheres before you need to actually challenge yourself with creating something meaningful. In other words, once you learn the basics well enough you can learn more and improve quicker with on the job learning. I can sit at home and hammer nails into a board like a psychopath for hours or I can get some wood and try to build a box. You will definitely get better at hammering a nail by building the box. It’s the same concept.
Now go do some original art and make something honest and expressive. Even if it looks janky you’ll come out all the better prepared for next time.

>>5240287
No, your answer is perfectly valid but wait, holy shit
I had actual zero progress in 6 months
DO YOU AGREE WITH >>5240259
>>5240258
>>5240262
JUST TELL ME

just disappear

>>5240287
Don't bother
He's been posting this shit for months now. Just search any of his pics on the archive, it's crazy
https://boards.fireden.net/ic/search/image/kpChGfbArWt_blRSLwPFdQ/

>>5240259
>Even a literal kid can see at least some improvement in half a year.
He's getting worse in fact. Both in drawing and mental health. At least he used to accept he was mentally-ill before.
It's not that he didn't progress, it's that he's progressing in reverse.

>>5240294
NO, TELL ME
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION
HAS THERE BEEN LITERALLY ZERO PROGRESS IN 6 MONTHS? YES OR NO?
AND THE FUCKING
EVIDENCE
THE FUCKING WHY

I SWEAR ILL MURDER SUICIDE VILPPU AS REVENGE

>>5240299

>>5240294
NO, TELL ME
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION
HAS THERE BEEN LITERALLY ZERO PROGRESS IN 6 MONTHS? YES OR NO?
AND THE FUCKING
EVIDENCE
THE FUCKING WHY

>>5240294
Holy shit, he nearly did the right thing

>>5240306
ILL GET MY REVENGE
THE AVIAN BEING HAS CLAIMED THAT FUCKER FOR DEATH
TELL ME
ZERO IMPROVEMENT SEMESTER
REAL OR HYPERBOLE?
HIS FATE IS IN YOUR HANDS SO THINK YOUR ANSWER CAREFULLY

>>5240292
Can’t tell if you’ve been drawing 6 months or 6 days. Quit.

>>5240306
so close

>>5240311
WHY
ANSWERS LIKE THIS AND THAT FUCKER IS DEAD
IM NOT FUCKING AROUND

>>5240306
>self-loathing and anxiety spiraling into psychosis
OP is a clear case against the "punished artist" myth.

>>5240294
lmao he might have gotten somewhere if he used all these months to practice instead

>>5240306
Hopefully he does this soon, if only for his mental health. I recommend getting into MMA instead of drawing.

>>5240319
>>5240317
>>5240316
>>5240312
>>5240311
>>5240306

YOULL PAY
SO I CAN NEVER BE A GOOD ARTISTS
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
THAT FUCKER IS FUCKED
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAH

motherfuckers will draw the same fucking thing every damn day and ask themselves why they haven't improved

go finish Drawabox for fucks sake, stop falling for the meme of drawing humans if you don't even know the first thing about perspective

try something different for a change, draw mechas, study other artists (yes, go see why Kim Jung Gi and Evan Amundsen drawings look different if they're both putting lines/forms on a piece of paper), watch other people draw, suck some dick, whatever, just stop whining

>>5240315
gonna give it to you straight: you've made progress, but not as much as you could have had you spent the 6 months avidly practicing and absorbing the information in the resources you are burning through too quickly to absorb anything because you're looking for a get good quick resource that doesn't exist. these things take time and it's not an overnight or even 6 month long thing

>>5240326
don't get his hopes up

>>5240323
>>5240326
VILPPU IS FUCKED
DONT BACK OUT NOW
DONT BACK OUT NOW

Remember this is who you're trying to "help"
It was hopeless from the start

>>5240326
Stop lying to him

>>5240329
KEK

schizo anon did you check if you had the ligament? you checked right?

>>5240292
Better looking birds than I can draw. Go do something cool with it anon.
>>5240294
Eh fair enough. But if any anon out there needed to hear what I told OP take it as if I was telling you. What’s important is that you put to use the things you’ve all been practicing for the end purpose you wanted to learn it for. Spiraling in the maelstrom of practice is a trap and a time/energy sink. Don’t forget, anons, that making something personal and original is the end goal.

>>5240326
That’s cuz he spends most of his time making these shitshow threads

>>5240329
What the fuck is wrong with zoomers?

>>5240337
They were born with the internet and never socialized properly
Brace yourself, it's only gonna get worse

>>5240337
A generation raised on the internet and social media. The result is a constant need for affirmation and a total lack of self accountability.

>>5240328
RIP Vilppu, 85 years young

>>5240344
>>5240343
Based social anthropologists

>>5240326
STOP LYING TO ME
STOP LYING TO ME STOP LYIONG TO ME

I DONT DRAW YEAH I NEVER DREW
I HAVE TO FORGED I TRIED I HAVE TO FORGET I TRIED I CANT LOIVE WITH THIS FAILURE
NO ICANT I CANT DEAL WITH IT I HAVE TO GORETT I TRIE DOI TII HEAVCE TO FORGED IT AI HAVE TO FORGEFD
CRUEL SUMER SUMMER SUCMMER
FEVER DREAM HIGH IN THE UIER
YOURE RIGHT OH TYOURE RIGHT I WANT IT