/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Please help me
Why is no one helping me?
PEOPLE gave me resources that dont work
they are fake a scam
I wanted to draw
Ignore my personality, whats wrong with my 6 months of drawingg?

>>5239796
Whats a good setup for taking selfies for reference pics? I want to model myself with certain kinds of clothes, positions, etc but i only have a phone camera.
Any ideas?

To the bro using Keys to Drawing, did you start from zero with that book or read something before it?

>>5239854
I did some drawabox and had experience in other visual fields like video editing but nothing in the book has prerequisites, in fact you have to unlearn a lot of habits at first because it's easy to get caught up in what you're used to do instead of the more fundamental and direct practices the book asks of you, absolute beginners should have an easier time with it than people already used to drawing cartoon faces.

>>5239811
https://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help

>>5239820
tripod + timer

>>5239865
I was already into that whole shebang
meds dont help me
they just up your dosage
youre just a zombie going around

There are some issues I'm gonna fix when adding values (dat left heel tho) but please tell me there's hope.

I'm gonna work on a different body part each week for like a month I think.

>>5239890

>>5239890
Forgot to say this is the pre-study pic. Haven't drawn for approx 8 years.

>>5239890
I'm a footfag and something about this makes me very uncomfortable

>>5239884
Yeah but at least you don't bother every living being around you 24/7

>>5239811
didnt i just redline you?

>>5239811
what have you improved in six months?
what have you learned?

i didnt get any crit in old thread.

>>5239811
in the off chance that you are not just trolling, I will give you my last advice/(you), finish dynamic sketching, even if you didn't get everything right just watch the lessons do your exercises and move on. even if you can see improvements, learn to draw is not a linear process, everyone know this.

>>5239906
Same, and I drew it!

To be fair as an exercise to get myself into drawing again it has spurred me on to take anatomy more serious than I did at College (UK - I don't have an art degree don't worry)

Maybe it was the heel - I find I notice glaring mistakes only after posting because I'm less focused and lost in it.

>>5239936
Fuck thought that was the resized one.

>>5239928
But this is what happened last time I tried
>>5239915
Yeah? What was I supposed to get out of it, please help me
Ill suppress that aspect of me if you can help me

>>5239926
lack of effort

drew my cat

>>5239906
I can post it with the values so far if you really want to feel sick - I overworked the toes. Going to keep at it though as this is one turd which needs to be poolished.

I'm finally trying to stop being shit at rendering with Robertson's book.
I'll probably figure this out in a few hundred hours

Cutting your comfortable time range in half for figure drawing is damn demoralizing.

>>5239796
is this beg? I really like it.

>>5239926
i mean... you know how to draw her body. the proportions are good. i dont understand why her ankles are so narrow. and yu put no effort into feet or hands, a face, and there is no shading. what advice do you want?

autoportrait

Does this pose feel stiff? I'm having troubles planning out

>>5239995
you look good anon

>>5239926
It's not what I'm into, but I guess it's okay.

here's what I got.

>>5240001
Thanks im bulking

>>5240005
what did you learn from this, anon?

What books/guides should you speed run based on the flaws here?
Say if you just copied everything significant from reference aside from the wojak and the arms

If this if your skill level how good can you get at digital painting in 2 months focused practicing 2 hours a day on average?

What books/guides should you speed run based on the flaws here?
Say if you just copied everything significant from reference aside from the wojak and the arms

If this if your skill level how good can you get at digital painting in 2 months focused practicing 2 hours a day on average?

>>5239981
drawing fat whales in figure drawing because thats all they have in the site is more demoralizing

>>5240041
Are there any other sites/recommendations? I normally just use pictures I save and then time my drawing on my own, but I figured I'd rely on a site this time.

>Copying other people’s work on Twitter, pixiv, or famous artworks
Thoughts? Will I get better this way or is this a bad way to learn? I would keep all of it to myself of course and never take credit

>>5239981
thicc

>>5240000
It does feel stiff but the way you did the torso is really good. Bending her elbows a little will probably work.

>>5240021
I copied from ref, changed and added a few things, i plan to finish as quick as i can. colors are my weak points.

>>5240062
post the ref, I'd say colors are so bad that they might hide other important weaknesses

>>5240041
line-of-action has plenty of disgusting whales but it has nice features like filtering subjects and setting slideshow time intervals, subjects are diverse which is important to avoid comfort zones

>>5239890
>I’m gonna fix when adding values
NO.
If the drawing doesn’t look good before color and shading then it still won’t look good when you add them.
Fix the drawing.

>>5240056
>I would keep all of it to myself of course and never take credit
Don't be a pussy. Steal that shit. And use a pirate copy of Photoshop to do it.

>>5240056
The only way to improve at least if you're going down any stylized route imo. There's just no reason to "figure out" all the design tricks and tips on your own when there's so much appealing art at your fingertips nowadays.
A process that helped me is to do a figure drawing, then focus on a spot where I think I did poorly and want to improve on (say, a leg), and then see how other artists draw legs and how I can incorporate that into my own work.

>>5240070
Yeah, it's one of the reasons why I decided to use a site this time too.

>>5240038
loomis

@5239811
Something's gotta be done about this guy. It's way past getting out of hand.

>>5239990
Not him, but the thin ankles make sense to me. That's an appendage made to look like a person.

Any tips for getting to /int/ and actually start doing comms online? How long will It take?

express ideas, tell stories.

Is there a good way to learn anatomy? I'm trying to draw some muscles on stick figures to have an idea of the shape and it's going okay, but I feel like it could be better.

>>5240068
here's the ref

How many people on here legit worked through fun with a pencil? If I do one more shitty caricature of a geriatric I think I'll shoot myself.

>>5240038
>If this if your skill level how good can you get at digital painting in 2 months focused practicing 2 hours a day on average?
about 3

really tho it is impossible to tell. just do it and you will see. don't quit your job tho

>>5240103
Work on leg anatomy.
Erase your scratchy lines or learn hatching (either one)
Don't skip drawing fingers because they're hard.

>>5240056
mikey mega mega said that he started this way. so I guess that it at least doesnt hurt

>>5240105
>Is there a good way to learn anatomy?
courses and books

Sorry for repeating the same question, but last time, I don’t think I gave a good example. This drawing is old/before I discovered Loomis and also purely from imagination, but still. So, whenever I draw eyes they look shapey/stylized.

>>5240106
Try copying from the reference next time.
You changed too much without actually understanding (see how her shoulders are positioned in the ref vs yours).
I'd also recommend doing easier poses / subjects.

>>5240143
I'm not an authority on asian eyes but they look a bit flat, maybe curve the eyelids a bit more.

>>5240120
you know you don't need to draw them old, right? anyway I think the main purpose of those cartoon is to give the reader something fun to draw while they get mileage, because you will need some dexterity on the later parts of the book, and that only comes with practice.

>>5240038
>speedrun
>measuring learning in terms of time rather than subjects and definite goals
>completely unanswerable "how good" question stemming from comparative anxiety rather than genuine goal-oriented understanding
You shouldn't ever rush anything, take as long as you need to understand something, truly understand it with focused self-critique, don't just grind for the sake of grinding either because you aren't learning anything if you can't point out specific flaws.
I didn't go through it but ctrl+paint has lots of courses on digital painting focused on intermediate-level realism.

>>5239878
thanks

>>5239964
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>>5240159
You really think they look Native American enough? Would it help to add shading on the eye whites you think?

>>5239805
the gifs work better https://moatdd.tumblr.com/post/89998719774/deluxe-draughtsmanship-exercise-cheetsheet-tm

>>5239811
Can you at least post some different work?

i knew my skill level wasn't high enough for this portrait but did it anyway. gouache paint. shit on me

>>5239964
very nice

>>5240181
The colors are pretty, but I don't know what the fuck is going on with her shoulders and neck.

>>5240192
yeah i totally fucked that up. i accidentally painted over the actual shoulder with the dark part of the hair and then it just kept reactivating the layers underneath and it was a mess. still haven't gotten used to the fact that gouache reactivates as it's an entirely new medium for me

>>5240070
https://pose-trainer.com/en/
https://www.rkgk.org/
theyre 3d modeling usually the japs use them
>>5240052
I dont feel compelled to draw a fat fucking pig I seethe at there pretentious smug face. I get real fucking autistic which doesn't help. I can't help but scream no eggs at my computer screen. People say that you shouldn't be using 3d modeling sites when I was really new so I listened to them. Should I rethink that advice now? it's been nearly a year for me
started having fun with keys to drawing recently and it doesnt make me want to kill myself
>wait retard did you only do figuring drawing and only figuring drawing up until now?
Yes, just realized that I was tackling the hardest subject

>>5240205
I don't recommend 3D for organic things because you will lose a lot of nuance on how they deform and such, I would only use it purely for setting up specific poses.

>>5240176
Why? I don't want to waste more time drawing if I'm not going to get better as such I do doodles at most
>>5239918
I don't know, you tell me
I failed at shading

>>5240168
either shading them differently or sinking the sides bit, it looks like the eyes follow the same curve as the face instead of being their own spheres.

Then again I've seen like 2 natives in my life and all google image returns for "native american woman" is pictures from centuries ago and white dudes in war paint from Hollywood movies. Maybe they just look like that.

Hello. Does anyone have an interactable 3D model for figures constructed out of geometric shapes? Preferably something with only cubes and cylinders. If you do, then please share it

My wife.

It has now been one (1) year since I started drawing seriously.

I like Copic markers but goddamn they stink up the room

>>5240250
no, but you can spin one up in blender relatively fast

I think there's something odd with the face but I've reached my limit for today

>>5240211
>I don't recommend 3D for organic things because you will lose a lot of nuance on how they deform
I see, i'll just ask keep that in mind while doing 3D then thanks anon

>>5240255
Neck is a little weird, but the rest is fantastic. Really good, especially considering you've only been drawing for a year

>>5240248
Oh shes not supposed to be full. Its like one of those things people did in the 2000s. Dont worry. Only the intentional incest ones look like that. Sinking the sides do you mean like the fat person thing or make the canthal tilt higher? Sorry for asking so much.

>>5240264
The colors are a bit muddy anon, unless that's what you were going for. Face is also somewhat derpy.

>>5239918
Trust me on this, you're talking to a brick wall. All he wants to do all day is post the same six month old images and whine over and over and over. It's insane.

>>5240261
I'm too noob to do that, but thank you for the good idea

>>5240338
yep I agree ty for the feedback!

>>5240338
How do you fix muddy colors? What causes it?

I know it's not good. But I still like how the pose turned out.

what kind of tools do i need to create art?

>>5240419
you're trying to draw stuff that it's way too complicated
try easier subjects, use reference

>>5240422
a stick

>>5240422
finger and sand

20 minute live drawing

How would you go about drawing vegetation (grass and leaves in particular) with a hard round brush?

>>5240422
A pencil for starters. If you're learning fundies, get a pencil, a pen (ball-point is perfectly fine, easily and legally stolen from any hotel desk or bank) a sketchpad specifically for learning fundies if you're going formal, and a sketchpad just to fill the fuck up with whatever you feel like drawing whether you're shit at it or not, as the best way to learn from mistakes is to make them in the first place.
That's it.
Pencil for drawing.
Paper for drawing on.
Pen to make it last.
Zero worries about your art looking like shit.

>>5240386
Muddy colors usually happen when your colors are desaturated and you mix your palette's colors so much that there is no discernable contrast between each color. When starting out, I think it's best to have a more limited color palette to reduce this problem, then when you learn color theory more in depth you can add on to your knowledge and create more vivid pieces.

>>5240467
Thank you. That's what I've been wondering for weeks and this makes it clear!

>>5240422
for me? it is mechanical pencil and print paper

>>5240426
what would you consider, easier subjects?

Is there a way to emulate a compass in Clip Studio? I'm trying to learn all this cone of vision shit but I haven't got an actual compass on hand.

>>5240502
reposting

>>5240541
When you transform a line, you can change the degree. It's how I followed along with some perspective lectures.

You can set up the cov/lvp/rvp/etc perfectly just by setting the angle in the transformation menu.

>>5240575
How did you pull that menu up? I'm not seeing an option for transformation settings in my line tool

Can someone explain me why should I use techniques like sight-size or blocking in? They feel like crutches that you can't apply while drawing from imagination.

>>5240264 leave beg

>>5240608
when you have the transform tool selected (ctrl + t), click on the tool property next to sub tool

>>5240608
CTRL + T, the menu is below the brushes, I have the standard CSP UI layout.

more feet prtactices from imagination

>>5240646
>>5240644
thanks lads

Anyone got any references on shading asses? Where could I look for ass references?

>>5240663

>>5240663
just look at pictures of asses?
also you've got a severe case of pillow shading

>>5240663
ass

>>5240663
before anyone bans me, she's >18 just petite

>>5240663
>>5240663

>>5240663
bing.com > images
search for ass

>>5240639
wtf? it is not that bad

>>5240744
the op meant that the person who posted is higher than beg

What is a good way to imitate charcoal pencils in PS? I want to graduate from hard round and I don't like other default brushes.

>>5240760
chalk brushes seems similar to charcoal, dont talk my word for it try check it out

Anyone wanna see my bunger i started :V

>>5239725
good call, thanks man

>>5240264
How long have you been drawing?

Managed to find this, for the /beg/ that struggle with Loomis. Try it yourself.

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/loomis-head-d0b3f4aa633a44d8bda8cfe2f779f1f8

some poses from imagination

Boys am i going to make it?

>>5240156
This is cute, especially the one on the right.

>>5240966
can't tell unless you draw a naked woman

>>5240966
anon this looks terribly colored. what is the medium(s)? watercolor?

What's a good way to learn the most basic of the basics? Most of the art I've done until now has been simple stuff in MSPaint with a mouse. I have Clip Studio Paint now, and a touchscreen laptop with a pressure-sensitive pen, but I don't know where to begin with it. Like, I don't know the difference between all the different brushes and how to use the tools and whatnot. How do I learn what to use and when to use it?

>>5240255
Have you tried mirroring it?

>>5240650
Nice

6 months anon here
Is there any way for me to draw like my heroes? Help me please

Posting progress, any advice is appreciated
Nipples may not be final, but i would some feedback on them

>>5240793
expired bunger

>>5239796
First painting I'm actually proud of. There are bits and pieces here and there that I could fix but I rather jump into the next painting and hopefully get a little better

>>5241053
That sidemouth ruined the piece

>>5241154

>>5241160
I hate sidemouths but I think I hate this dumbass picture even more

Fuck you little nigger.

>>5241045
Do you have autism or something else? You keep repeating the same nonsensical phrase. You need to stop. Please stop. Drawing takes time. You must be patient. Keep practicing.

i don't know what happened, but something 'clicked' in my brain when it comes to perspective i guess. it's not perfect, i still need to improve, but it's like i can suddenly see it properly. it's very weird, it's like all the cubes and such i drew in the past were just shitty imitations of 3d, and now i can actually see how a shape starts to 'look 3d' on the canvas when i draw it?

it's like my drawing feels so much more physical suddenly

>>5240993
That's clearly cheap markers. I have the same kind at home, I'm not forking 50$ for a case of pro ones until I'm sure they won't be wasted on horrible art anyway.

Is there a way to enable pen pressure on the shape tools in CSP? Krita has this on by default but for some ungodly reason in CSP the only brush size option is to make it random for all the shape tools.

>>5241186
Happened to me after 4-5 weeks of dynamic sketching

>>5241191
>Pen pressure on the shape tools
What ? I thought they just applied the brush at max pressure no matter what.

>>5241196
I'm about a month into starting to draw regularly again, so I guess that checks out!

>>5241197
It does, but in Krita it doesn't. As you can see in pic related, the size of the line drawn with the line tool increases with pressure from the pen (which is what I want) but as far as I can tell this is unachievable in CSP unless anyone knows better than me

>>5241203
I'm about to start my 4th month of drawing , my first 2 months were pretty mutch qa waste of time jumping from course to course and books with marginal improvements , the only real benefit was that i make the habit of practicing at least an hour daily the 7 days of the week , then some anon here told me to try dynamic sketching and it has been an incredible leap , currently a'm practicing some anatomy to start posting my work on the board to start reciving ctiticism and keep improving

>>5241216
beg trap

>>5241211
>but as far as I can tell this is unachievable in CSP unless anyone knows better than me
you are wrong

>>5241225
then please enlighten me on how to get it done

How do I properly draw from life seriously tho? Should I still have to simplify it slighty if I want to learn the structure or I should become an human photocopier?

>>5241211
wtf of course that's possible in csp

>>5241251
So the reality is that to improve, you must go back and forth.

Like sawing a tree: a little construction/simplification to pull left, a little rote photocopying to pull right. You can pull in one direction but you can only go so far. You have to saw in both directions to go deeper.

>>5241176
Good, head looks cut off though.

How do you deal with information overload? There are so many things to study that I just get lost and can't focus on any one thing. Pic unrelated but it's what I did yesterday

>The OP used my art to make the /beg/ thread
I feel happy.
Thanks, OP.

>>5241274
it's called blocking out the major shapes then drilling down into smaller and smaller details.
In this example you could block out her body with a big rectangle, then her head, torso, and butt into smaller rectangles. And keep narrowing it down.

>>5241282
Sorry I was too vague. I meant like when you're /beg/ faced with all the fundies like proportions and form and perspective and values and colors and gesture and anatomy and all that. I have a hard time just spending months on only one thing so every day I wanna go and study something else, though that makes improvement slower on everything.

>>5241274
>information overload
don't try to study everything at once, then

a process i like to go through -
come up with an idea for a piece you'd like to make, and then break that down into smaller concepts you can study individually.
say you wanna draw a car. you can study a little bit of construction to figure out the forms you'll be working with, you could go study how to render the different materials you'll find on a car and how they'll reflect light, you can go study car design in general, etc

then once you're comfortable with all those concepts you put it all together and draw the thing you wanted to in the first place and you'll have learned a lot along the way

>>5241286
Values showed me I was a lot worse at thinking in forms than I thought.
There's pros and cons for every approach.

Why is hair so hard to draw??

>>5240650
Any tips for studying feet/books?

>>5241274
I just study other stuff every now and then. Typically I'll spend a week practing one thing, draw some random stuff for a drawthread somewhere, look at it for five minutes and work on the weakest part of it the next week.

That's maybe not the best way but at least the result looks homogenous, my hands are just as shit as my faces or my rendering

if you don't have the skill to reproduce a photo how can you reproduce what is in your head

>>5241287
That sounds like a good idea

>>5241180
What should I practice? Dynamic Sketching
I want to actually improve not waste time.
Do you honestly think I can improve? BE GOOD at drawing?

>>5241375
Just assume that you can and do it
And if you're not as good as you think you should be, just draw more

>>5241295
draw it as ribbons

>>5241377
But do you think that I can factually improve?
What should I use? Dynamic Sketching?

>>5241375
What is your endgoal product ?
emulate the same shit.

If you really CANT do it its because you suck. You can trace it but then you must know you'll suck forever and be forever tainted as an artist.
Repeat, do it for x amount of time. X being a factor of work, intelligence, and raw fucking autism you put into it.

This can apply to pretty much everything, one day you'll maybe be good enough to live off your art. Also I'd avoid this place if I was a begginner, because its full of elite technical artists without a soul that never made it and are extremely bitter, especially towards promising new blood.

>>5241392
>especially towards promising new blood
Then I'm in the clear.
Are you sure I should be doing studies? What about fundamentals?

Trying to feel the form

>>5241393
Depend. What do you want to do ? There are shittons of categories, and even more subcategories of art. All of them requires differents approaches and have a different meta. I can't give you a direction without knowing your endgoal.

help me /beg/
check this
>>5241396

>>5241399
Why do I feel like you're not being honest with me?
I'm meant to do Fundies first, no matter what
MASTERY of fundamentals and then I go into what I want, right?

>>5241186
I felt just the same, it was like an epiphany while I was doing some draughtsmanship exercises and suddenly I could draw "things" rather lines.

>>5241402
You can work on fundamentals for 10 years and still not getting anywhere.
Better know where you want to go, and plan your way up there by identifying the variables that makes the ones at the top successful.

Your fundamentals will be different if you want to get into animation, comics (what kind?), painting, realism, or just pure illustration, character design or concept art. If I just wanted perfect pictures I'd look for a photograph not an artist.

>>5240793
scary

Looking for feedback. Mine isn't as tilted as the reference, ended up more face on. Also wasn't happy with the nose ring but I think more colors actually would've made that easy.
I really struggled with his right eye though. I don't know how to show that since it looks kind of blurry in the reference.
Thought it was okay overall but the orcness was rough.

How do I stop being a slave to fundie grinding and actually draw something? I see plenty of people finishing work in this thread. How are you doing it? I never feel ready. There's always some god damn fundie I feel I have to grind before I'm ready, then another one, then another one.

>>5241442
You know the answer, stop thinking you need to be "ready" before drawing what you want to draw. Follow the 50% rule, at least 50% of your drawing time should be spent not practicing but simply drawing.

nice rule did you pull it out of your ass hole

>>5241442
What helped me is getting realistic with the quality I can expect of my drawings, so if something looks acceptable that's enough and it's time to move to something else.

>>5241452
I got it from drawabox, you absolutely need to get used to both doodling and tackling "big projects" if you really want to unlock your hand and mind, building confidence will help a lot with learning too.

>>5240255
lol i hear the jurassic park music

>>5240264
come over to int

>>5241442
>fundie grinding
you're supposed to be mindful of the fundamentals in everything you do
it's not something that you 'grind'

>>5241489
I don't even understand where this grind meme comes from, none of the beginner books I've read recommend that you keep doing the same thing over and over on autopilot, it's not how learning works.

>>5241438
using color at the start is too difficult, start by just using value
turn your ref into greyscale, then try to copy the shapes as you see them

>>5241295
>the hair
human figures in general are hard to draw, do something easier >>5240556
at the start focus on getting the proportions right, measure them if you're unsure

>>5239926
Hands are to small and the line work for them is messy.

>>5235654

Fucking lol

>>5241572
oh no no no

>>5241428
>animation
Yep or maybe
>comics (what kind?)
Manga and BD inspired, definitely
>painting
I'm interested but I don't know if I can do it, already struggling with drawing
>realism
I've got to learn it but I find it boring
>just pure illustration
Nope
>character design
No matter what I've got to learn it right? Interested
>concept art
No thanks

So basically you're telling me to do what I want to do but still study? The 50/50 thing from Drawabox?

>>5241572
same pose? crucify him

>>5241442
for me it is that "yep that is the best I can do with my current ability" moment, then I either drop it and move on or finish it for fun and to get used to finishing things.

Is it normal that I failed at shading those eggs and many others or am I inferior? I'm sorry guys.
I have a question, do you think skill wise I can get better and wouldn't it be cheating if I had to start over but I had to include those 6 months of failure
Like I feel I should be better and if someone were to ask me how long I've been drawing I have to include them but since I suck, it feels like I'd be drawing for way longer for lessened results, like if someone asks you how long have you been drawing? I worry that I'm inferior because I can't reset time, I can't start over and say oh I've been drawing for a month or so when I have to add those 6 months as honest

>>5241498
>autopilot
I think grind just means working hard on a repetitive task tho

>>5241597
>The 50/50 thing from Drawabox?
That's not a bad habit to go in for any creative endeavor. His point there was to stick to the lessons to the letter, while spending at least half of the time you do artistically by drawing what you want and when you want. This not only further helps you get used to drawing, but is meant to teach you focus and discipline and understand the difference between work and play.
It's up to you whether that free 50% includes studying the direction you want to go, and I'd suggest that.
Fundies are important, but it's only a part of it.
Me, I want to do old-fashioned pin-up eroticism, basically softcore Barbarella-tier porn. It's satisfying and makes me happy. I spend half the week learning fundies, spend about 25% studying how pin-up artists do things and another 25% (actually much more) drawing for fun. Just an example.

>>5241619
You will inherently not work hard on a repetitive task as you get used to doing the exact same thing over and over, even the most basic exercises like line control need to be quite varied.

>>5241621
tEACH ME how to THINK like that anon
THE artists INNER DIALOGUE
I lack IT we lack IT
COULD you please answer something ELSE for ME?
This ANON >>5241463 said FALSE HOPE
dOES THIS MEAN THAT I CANT BE GOOD?

I dont KNOW how to do STUDIES
RARELY DONE THEM
DONT REMEMBER THEM
Mood changing, switch, not that LUCID anymore

I GET IT I GET IT THEN
so thats what we should do
WHAT ELSE?

>>5241442
>fundie grinding
>he didn't read lesson 0

>>5241629
I wasn't writing that for you. Your problem is you refuse to listen and it's clear that you enjoy wallowing in your insecurity at this point
Until you get over that (and nobody can teach you this outside of saying "stop being a faggot") then there's no helping you.
My ONE advice to you: grow some fucking balls, stop being a pussy, and practice. That's it. Don't ask me or anyone else any more questions. Go to fucking drawabox and follow the lessons to the letter if you want handholding. Spend your off time looking at your own mistakes (since you obviously see them) and work to correct them. You're wanting other people to do your job for you. That's not how this shit works.

>>5241637
we have asked /X/ FOR THE FUTURE
THEY SAY I SHOULD GIVE UP IN ART
THE CARDS THEY SAY
I SHOLD GIVE UP
WOULDNT BE THE FIRST TIME
LUCID MOOD IS OVER, LOCKED
HELLO, WELCOME BACK TO ME
SAME AS THE TELEPATH WHO WOULD TELL ME IM TALENTLESS
FOR YEARS FOR FUCKING YEARS THIS MAN WOULD COMPLETELY LAUGH AT US
TELLING US THAT WE WILL NEVER EVER MAKE IT IN ANYTHING
AS HE SAID AND TO QUOTE
"HATE ME ALL YOU WANT, YOU'RE JUST INFERIOR, THAT'S HOW IT IS, THERES NO CHANGING THAT"
>>5241637
NO
YOU MUST TELL US
IF ITS WORTH IT TO GO ON ORT NOT

>>5241572
how long took you?
https://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=hands_on_own_knees+leaning_forward&pid=0

>>5241641
OK so to any new /beg/ posters, this is why nobody takes this guy seriously. Don't reply to him, don't give him advice, learn to recognize these sketches because he constantly posts them. He doesn't want help. He wants to piss and moan and tell you that your advice isn't good enough. Don't be like this guy even if you're a goddamned billionaire artist and have the right to be a snob. His arrogance and insecurity are the opposite of the mindset you need to do anything creatively. Unlike him, you MUST be open to learn and you MUST be willing to try to fly out of your nest on your own, even if you fall on your ass. Without accepting these two requirements, then and only then should you give up.
I don't know if this guy's a dedicated troll or just a mentally ill retard, but there is absolutely no getting through to him. Thankfully at least he can serve as a lesson to people who actually want to improve their work.

>>5241652
SPEAK ONLY OF THE ART OR FACE HER WRATH IN THE AFTERLIFE
TELL ME ANON
NOW YO UHAVE TO TELL ME
WE WERE DOING JUST FINE BUT /X/ HAD TO TELL US ABOUT FATE AND TALENT
WE WERE LISTENING
AND NOW IM BACK ON CONTROL
AHHH SO YOU REFUSE TO HELP ME?
I WANT TO KNOW IF I CAN
MAY I LINK THE POST?

>>5241652
Newfriend here but in one of his posts yesterday he mentioned that he doesn't take his meds so he's probably legit insane. Could very well be lying though.

>>5241668

>>5241680
Either way, he's ngmi and he only has himself to blame. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't think anybody should give up art if that's what they enjoy.
This mindset, though, whether it's insanity or just pity-partying, is something every burgeoning artist needs to get rid of, for the sake of his own peace of mind.

>>5241652
>>5241680
fATE
FATE AND DETERMINISM
IF I WAS MEANT TO BE AN ARTIST
I WOULD ALREADY BE ONE
PEOPLE WOULDNT HAVE TOLD ME TO QUIT
BUT THEY DID THEY DID
HAVE YOU LOST YOUT MIND? TELL ME WHERE YOU THINK WE CROSSED THE LINE

is he really ban evading?

>>5241691
i'M NOT

>>5241685
If he has crippling autism or whatever he won't be able to get rid of it unfortunately. Anyway, I don't pity crazy people, specially if they don't take their pills. Generally they are a pain in the ass to be around.

>>5241696
and pain youll get once we unite with the avian feeling and being
MAGNIFICIENT
the only persona who can take it and deal it
AVIAN REPTILIAN aggression and HUNGER
>>5241652
>>5241685
no
dont lie to me
YOU CALL ME NGMI NOT BECAUSE OF MY ATTITUDE BUT BECAUSE OF MY LACK OF TALENT
GO ON
SAY IT

>>5241696
That is the saddest part. When I said you need to lose that mindset, I mean that it's an absolute requirement to not only draw well, but enjoy drawing well.
If you refuse to change your mindset, then you're hurting yourself, since it'll only make you miserable and depressed.
If you literally can't then you really are better off not drawing at all. I hate to say that but that's how it is.
This guy will outright call you a liar if you don't tell him what he wants to hear, and if you do tell him what he wants to hear, then he'll still call you a liar and post his /beg/ sketches as "proof." As you said, a real pain in the ass to be around.

>>5241698

>>5241701
have I ever called myself TALENTED?
NO
THEN IM NOT LYING
GO ON ADMIT IY
YOU CALL ME NGMI NOT BECAUSE OF MY ATTITUDE
THATS IRRELEVANT
YOU CALL ME NGMI BECAUSE YOU KNOW I HAVE NO TALENT
IM JUST A BAD INVESTMENT A WRONG BET
GO ON ADMIT IT
SAY IT
FATE CONSPIRED AGAINST ME A BILLION YEARS BEFORE I WAS BORN, I WAS MEANT TO FAIL AT ART
ITS OUT OF MY CONTROL
FATE

I see the akechifag still hasn't taken any advice or meds since the past half year

>>5241597
Manga and BD alright.
It requires an extremely large toolkit. Good manga/comic artist are way more rare than good artists.

You need
>Story
Look up John Truby "Anatomy of the Scenario". You'll never watch a movie or read any piece of story the same way. It made me realise every detail has its significance and its own weight, like every line in drawing does. By story I include not only the kind of setting (fantasy, sci-fi...) but also your characters, vilain, etc.... Basically you have to become a writer. Good luck. Of course you can leave all that to someone else and just draw what he asks you to draw.

>Panelling, Rythm
Rythm is somewhat related to the Story, but it's in the panneling that it bring it to life. Even if you have the best drawing in the medium and the best story, if you have no rythm the average reader (your #1 Target and the one person you should always aim to please) wont give a shit.

>Art
Arguably the least important aspect. There are plenty of artist on /ic/ that are better at drawing than plently of famous bd-artist/mangaka.
But you need style.
A Style is a recognizable lineart that you can produce steadily, all while being (at least it should be) anatomically correct. These are your fundies. They say it takes about 10 years for an average artist to get a style that can allow him to work as a comic-artist/mangaka. This is why knowing your endgoal and your vision is important, so you go in the right direction because honestly we cant afford to lose time lol.

IMO this is by far the hardest path one can take, few can do it, especially if you want to do manga then you'll need raw fucking talent and confidence.

Whats really great about it is if you have what it takes you WILL get recognized. No matter what times something like Naruto, HxH, Death Note, Chainsawman, Slam Dunk, Vagabond, Fullmetal Alchemist would get published, no matter the meta it will be a success. This is why its so beautiful and worth pursuing.

>>5241623
>You will inherently not work hard on a repetitive task as you get used to doing the exact same thing over and over
only if it is too easy or too hard, in my experience at least. and not only for repetitive tasks

>>5241716
Btw, worst case scenario you can always be a metaslave and do a manga about highschool and superheroes, but even then the story and panneling will be more important than the drawing itself.

>>5241680
which mental condition make you shitpost? he can very well have some condition, but it is not that is making him behave like that. he is just a trolling us.

Tried some construction on some /s/ pics. Any thoughts?
>>>/s/20543441
>>>/s/20538301

>>5241741
overlay the reference on your construction, you'll see how off you are in your proportions
try drawing easier stuff >>5240556

>>5241707
Akechi-kun is still here. Never fail to give me a chuckle.

>>5241838
MY NAME IS CRUEL SUMMER
TELL ME AM I TALENTLESS? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>>5241713
AM I DOING BELOW AVERAGE FOR 6 MONTHS?
I SHOULD BE BETTER BUT IM TALENTLESS

>>5241716
>>5241719
WHAT ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTALS?
I DONT KNOW ANON
I THINK IM TALENTLESS

First charcoal, print paper

>>5241949
>>5241968
>>5242009

>>5241680
At some point, the difference becomes meaningless, doesn't it? Someone who spends hours every day pretending to be mentally handicapped for fun clearly isn't normal.

>>5242082
Ffs posted this for nothing, to show it to someone on another board but that thread got archived before posting the link
Critique welcome anyway

>>5241949
>>5241968
>>5242009
Thank you for adopting a tripcode.

>>5241738
Narcissism, probably.

>>5239981
MAN THE HARPOONS

I only had 5 minutes today (my 4th day). I know the right eye is fucked up.

>>5242354
While that right eye is quite a bit wider than the left here, I wouldn't beat myself up too much about eyes not being perfect mirror images of each other. Eyes aren't identical in real life, just very close. The question is how much difference is too much difference?

>>5242360
I appreciate the comment. Right now I am trying to draw them from different angles. I am following Proko's fundamentals, btw.

This is the shit I can do in 20 minutes without references and it shows how fucking shit I am.

Are just Hogarth and Bridgman good for studying anatomy as a whole? I dislike Loomis but that's mostly due to the people spamming him on this board

>>5242360
>>5242382
Here, I've tried to make the shape more appealing.

Tips on shading?

>>5242395
Loomis is legit, especially when it comes to construction, and you can tell just by googling his actual art. He'll use cartoons in his first book just because cartoons are simple and his plan was to teach most age groups. He's spammed here for a reason, no point in disliking him because of a high opinion.
As for figure drawing, my plan after drilling in enough fundamentals to know better is to take Brent Eviston's courses (including his own take on fundies because why the hell not).
There's a mega chockfull of lesson plans in the video thread. It'd be a good place to look around.

>>5242407
Already looking more alive than before. Softer angles tend to do that. There's a certain roundness to even angular people.

I've been working through Hampton' s figure drawing book for a few months now and I feel like I've not been making much progress.
Any advice on what I should be working on?

>>5242453
>feel like I
that's how it goes for most improvement in life, you don't really feel it. I suspect the lack of immediate visible gains after reading books or watching videos is what makes most people give up. At least in sports, you can make zero gains and hurt yourself but that's a result, at least.

>>5242453
Practice something else not just to clear your head but also to avoid falling into a grind-zone.

>>5242477
This. Life doesn't give you a big "Mission Complete" screen when you've made a breakthrough. You have to learn how to recognize it yourself. Keeping your old shitty work and comparing it with newer work helps this a lot.
I'm also a keyboardist, and even after years of practice and smoothly playing with both hands, I feel just as new at music as before I knew what a C key was.
Whether you're aware of it or not you are gaining skills and you are making more progress than you'd think.

>>5242382
>I am following Proko's fundamentals
What are those?

>>5242489
This one (Jack Sparrow's edition)
https://www.proko.com/portrait-drawing-fundamentals-course/

>>5241186
How much do you draw per day and how "loose" is your drawing? I experienced this too and I'm trying to make a theory about it but I don't really see people mentioning it as something that is just unlocked, I think it's related to how immersed you are in the canvas.

Trying to learn bicycles is so freaking hard

>>5242407
>>5242438
Another try.

am i polishing a turd here?

>>5242537
Pose looks stiff. I would say make the stance wider and emphasize the arch of the back more.

first time trying out this shading stuff, it's pretty interesting

>>5242492
Thanks friend.

>>5242551
fuck is it really that bad? its literally exactly what i wanted

>>5241314
tips in this case (deconstruction), would be see the mass and not the outline of the things you are studying , i use this approach to feel the forms and extract a simple 3D model of the subject, this is better if you have multiple refs of it, then try to construct it from zero, using landmarks is pretty useful too.

I got clip studio recently and I want to have a brush that is like medibang's mapping pen brush with multiple lines move over. Is there any multi-line brush similar to it or can I find a way to just move some medibang brushes to CS?

I'd also like to have a dotted line brush that I can't remember the name of right now if that's also possible, but any help with this would be appreciated

>>5240650
The foot I circled is fucking terrible. Rest are nice though.

>>5240650
>>5242603
Would you post a full work?

>>5242561
I mean I wouldn't say the pose or even the anatomy is unrealistic, but its certainly not a beautiful woman.

>>5242601
you should be able to import images and use them as brush tips. make four dots with the single pen on a transparent background, save the image as png and import it into the brush engine.

I tried it with some attempt at a portrait I did today, it just werks.

>>5242607
i don't do full polished works, 99% of my finished drawings are doodles this is the closest thing to a finished piece, please no bully.

>>5242537
yes

>>5242537
yeah for sure. start over and apply what you learned from this piece

>>5242632
it is good to finish stuff from time to time

>>5242632
>Int studies
>
jesus christ anon

>>5242610
yeah im still trying the no ref faces thing and with the pose/angle its too much im just glad the figure is passable. maybe ill just paint over the face
>>5242641
>>5242646
okay anything specific i need to work on? im interested in if the colors/values that i have so far are working

simple warm up turned into earnest form study with color, how well am I feeling them?

>>5242632
you're doing yourself a huge disservice in never finishing anything

>>5242722
Nice

this is fun

>>5242656
work on the fluidity of movement with your subject, another anon said it looks stiff and i agree. another thing is the brush strokes. i believe you started adding in the details too early, which makes it look incredibly scratchy as a painting. if you block in all of the values/colors first with big brushes, and then move on to smaller brushes for finer details, it will look more pleasing. lastly, i know you know this, but more facial anatomy studies are needed.

>>5239796
help

>>5242722
Looks good to me. I'm digging the circular shading. Gives it a rough scaly appearance without actually using scales.

>>5242840
accidental art style

>>5242840
>is this nigga serious

>>5242840
keep at it anon, looks good. If you want to improve your heads though you should look into doing some studies of skull structure and asaro heads

>>5242840
If you were going for stylistic, it's great work. Really expressive while maintaining a subtle facial expression.
If you were going for realistic, the nose is a bit too long and the eyes are too high. People have higher foreheads than you'd think. Study human skulls and how they're structured.

>>5242789
im just scrap it and redo it as something similar. i dont really work on figure a lot but ive done a few color studies lately so i wanted to see if it translated well.

Japanese officer girl. Criticism?

>>5242840
nose looks long even with the angle distortion

ears are way too high

What do you think are good small scale projects to practice designing stuff and make some finished pieces? Short VNs and RPGM games I guess?

>>5242881
ren'py

>>5242873
If I had my PC with me I'd rotate it. Sorry bros.

>>5242881
Games are never small scale.

>>5242881
>RPGM games
Not small scale, that shit is a timesink. A short VN probably isn't much shorter, but it's smaller scale than an RPGM game.

>>5242881
Make a oneshot, 12 page comic/manga.

>>5242881
worldbuilding is fun, if you've got an idea for a world just start drawing things you'd like to see in it, you don't have to think too hard about any sort of story, just the world around it

>>5242881
concept art illustration? it is the smallest thing you can create that convey a design idea other than just drawing the design

>>5242507
I draw on avg. 30 minutes to an hour and a half each day because I try my best to keep an active streak on DAD.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'loose'.

>>5242873
You gave up on her fingers. I also feel like there's a lot of symbol drawing here. The sword hilt is going THROUGH her hand instead of being held.

>>5242896
>>5242900
I'm not talking about something with gameplay or level design, more like spawn in a museum and look at the paintings type of thing.
>>5242901
I feel like comics has too many exclusive skills to use for someone not interested in being a comic artist but it's not out of question

>>5242949
A comic is literally just a series of sequential drawings portraying a story.

Almost all art involving humans involves storytelling of some kind. And laying out a comic helps you learn a lot about how to arrange things in a clear, understandable way, IMO.

Just a date

>>5242873
torso is too short, katana should placed next to her hips or lower, hands don't work like that, the spot close to her ear was left whitout hair on purpose?, eyes aren't looking at the viewer if that was the intent, hat tip is not aligned with her face, her ribcage is not rounded, theres more but these are the biggest fuck ups.... back to the loomis mines

>>5241186
I feel that sometimes, the most mysterious part for me is that that "click" can go away just as easily. Brain is weird.

>>5242968
Thanks! I need to start up some basic practice for sure. Only been drawing a couple of weeks now.

Goddamn, I fucking hate doing life studies.

>>5243037
Why? It gives me a bit more pressure to focus on my work than sitting at home jerking off and thinking about drawing

The shading looks any good?

>>5243068
I'm really bad at them and can hardly ever get anything right.

>>5243074
Do you want to be an artist, or not? Giving up and complaining on /ic won't get you to the goal of artist. If you can't hack life study, then I don't know what you think you'll get done.

>>5243078
I'm not giving up, it's just really not enjoyable to do at all.

>>5242881
Pick a book you like, pick a scene, illustrate it.
Pick a book you like, draw a cover for it.
Pick an album you like, draw a cover for it.
Pick a song you like, illustrate it.
Pick a poem you like, illustrate it.
Think of an expression, like "Don't cry over spilt milk", and illustrate it.
Think of an emotion, illustrate it.
Think of an action. Illustrate it.

These are all assignments from the illustration classes I took in college.

>>5242760
Keep going, refine your edges, refine the grey ramps (the smooth transitions of value).

>>5242722
It's fine overall, but you need to define the volume/depth of the lizard, the head is lost because it's the same values as the rest of the figure. The values are all over the map - you did fine with them on the back legs and tail, but the wheels fall off at the head.

>>5242603
You're on the way. The next step is to be able to draw just the contours, without the construction lines. You have a good feel for the form and volumes. Start think more in terms of flowing s-curves to define the contour, not broken lines. Start focusing on line weights, to make pleasing forms.

Onwards!

>>5243091
I've never seen an instructor recommending something like that. Any references for that?

>>5242537
Yes. No shame in starting over. You're obviously struggling with blending and shading, and anatomy. And, stop thinking of flesh as "beige and black". Use dark hues for shadows - you're working from a photo, so it will be harder to see the actual colors in the skin, so crank the saturation up on a copy of the reference, and look at the actual hues in the skin.
Look at this painting. I got to spend many hours studying it, when it was on display at the Met in NYC. That skin has very little black in it, it's all purples and violets and blues and greens and crimsons. It's fascinating. Look for color in skin, the body will reflect different colors across the body. Use darker hues for darker areas, not black. Black is rare in nature - but not in photography.

Mostly, this is above your skill grade, but with work you'll get there. Keep working on anatomy and color. Stop using black. We're artists, we GET to use any color we want, and black is just ugly and flat in a piece like this.

>>5243091
>s-curves
examples of that?

>>5242477
That's the thing about books, they can give you information, but the real work happens on the paper, with a pencil. (Or on the display)

>>5242727
I don't think there's a ton of merit to finishing pieces, you get a lot more mileage out of just many slightly cleaned up sketches (with some basic block-ins if you feel like) rather than one or two highly rendered ones. Or at least, that's how its been in my experience.

>>5242453
Everything. As a beginner, you won't master anything, you're working on everything, overall. If you only have a small amount of time to dedicate to art, then your progress will be slow - but if you feel like you're not progressing, switch to something else - go do some work on perspective, or portraits, or a still life.

Your example isn't bad in any way for a beginner, but you're a beginner. it's fine. Keep at it.

>>5242395
How is this shit? You need some line confidence, and could define your contours a little more aggressively, but over all, there's nothing really wrong here.

(Okay, the feet are a bit of a cop out, but it's not the end of the world. And you need to focus on hands)

>>5243103
You are in for a world of hurt some day for that decision.

>>5242407
You're getting there. You're stylizing, is that intentional? Because real eyelides, especially the lower, will be curves, not an angle like that. Also, don't outline the highlight - just don't draw there. Define a lash line, too - our brains look for them, and we get the "something is off here" if they're missing.
Center the pupil, too - our brains look for that.

>>5243095
All my art teachers? I went to school for art, instead of watching videos and reading books.

>>5243100
The world around you. Look for flowing lines, and imagine drawing them as an S curve. The idea is unbroken lines, that flow.

>>5243095
>>5243109
All of mine did too. They wean you off of it as a /beg/ and then they make you do it later after you understand what the fuck you are doing.

>>5243103
I can concede that you're gaining mileage and speed with a high volume of drawing, however I feel nothing will show you exactly were you stand what you've actually retained better than creating a serious peace and getting feedback on it. If something drawn bad in a grind section there not much stake to it because what's a foot in a sea of 40 feet? but broken wrist, or a backwards cock after poring hours into a something you were proud off, you'll learn exactly what your weakness are real quick.

>>5243089
thanks man, this is some great advice

>>5243110
the red ones are me trying to s curve not sure i got what you mean

studies of feet for today

>>5243154
why did you delet post bro

>>5243179
might be autism I know how he feels

Is there a way to fix this image?

>>5243267
by moving on

>>5243267
By burning it. Now go do some studies.

>>5243283
I just made a question, is there no way to fix that image, that's all I wanted to hear.

>>5242881
Draw threads on other boards.

>>5243103
>mileage
But what's it good for, if you don't finish any pieces? There's always going to be more to learn.

>>5243267
No.

>>5243267
going to /int/ or /salt/ and staying there

>>5242594
Thanks for the reply :)

>>5243021
D-dan Schneider?

>>5241572

I'm the OP of >>>5235654. I did the pose myself in front of the mirror and used myself as a reference, it's not an uncommon pose

>>5243267
Left leg.

>>5243096
i was still working on it hence the shit brushwork and blending thus far but i get what youre saying. skin is so weird to paint. completely different palates for different lighting situations. maybe ill just a master study of that since i literally haven't studies the masters in like 5 years.

/beg/ hands, /beg/ lines, /beg/ man

new thread
>>5243700
>>5243700
>>5243700

>>5243267
Only thing making this "uncomfortable" is the head shape and direction. The head just looks like sticker plasted on. Have her look straight ahead away from the camera instead. Otherwise it's alright