/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5237235

What's the trick to getting rendering like this? Everything looks so crisp and sharp

How do I learn perspective and composition? How do I make my art appealing? How do I get out of beg and stop being ashamed of my shitty art? How do I learn how to color? Sorry If I repost It again but today I didn't have time to draw anything

>>5237274
>trick
edge control, fundamental property of painting. different artists get this result with soft brushes, or soft smudge brushes, or lightly textured chalky brushes, and for hard edges either lasso or just good old fashioned painting. if you zoom in on the sleeve you can see the blending taking place, and if you look at the collar you can see the hard round re-stating that edge. no trick to it, just learn to paint

>>5237274
Source?

>>5237283
Not sure but I think it's Pilyeon's work

>>5237274
fundies

>>5237281
Trick was the wrong word to use but thank for you answering my question seriously. I honestly forgot the lasso tool was even a thing since I tend to just use brushes and nothing else, but that's good to know!

>>5237283
It's by Pilyeon

>>5237276
literally not beg

>>5237276
>How do I learn perspective?
Marshall Vandruff

Repost an from old thread. How do you ink large spots with a pencil to look more uniform?

>>5237276
>perspective and color
the way I am doing is this first I draw stuff that needs perspective then I go to courses, books and videos to learn how to fix the problem that I encountered, because if I just learn without the immediate need to use I end up forgetting it. not sure how it will play out tho
>composition and appeal
same thing as above but I find that analyzing art that I like is better than books
>How do I get out of beg
do the above i guess?
>stop being ashamed of my shitty art
gaining skill will certainly help, but I think that at the end of the day you need to stopping giving a fuck and be okay with making a fool of yourself.

>>5237360
>t. uber beg, uberg if you will

>>5237373
>How do you ink large spots with a pencil to look more uniform?
I hear that same direction strokes helps, never tried tho.

>>5237385
I did on other drawings but the problem is with maintaining the same pressure all over it. I usually do 2-3 layers because I just can't get the same shade on a bigger spot.

I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA HOW TO COLOUR A LINEART. HOW THE FUCK CAN ANYBODY PUT COLOUR IN DIGITAL ART? THAT SHIT IS IMPOSSIBLE. THAT VTUBER INA DOES IT IN 30 MINUTES. HOW???

Bros I'm kinda lost. I got several of the books mentioned in the OP sticky and I read the first chapter of most of them, and did some exercises, but I don't know which one to fully commit to.

I started with Fun with a Pencil and did some blooks. That was pretty fun but I don't know if it'll help me trying to draw faces and bodies right now. I also started Keys to Drawing (did the hand exercise, pretty fun) and Vilppu's Drawing Manual. The last one seemed really interesting and approachable from the beginning but it sounds and looks more advanced?

For reference, last time I drew something """seriously""" was 15 years ago in high school. Knowing that, which one should I pick?

>>5237420
fun with a pencil is just a intro into what drawing is, the whole enchilada is way harder than that, decide what do you want to draw and focus your studies on that

>>5237420
Just go with whichever seems the most interesting to you.

>>5237420
I have like 30 books but I've only read 3 or 4 back to back. Hampton's figure drawing, one about perspective and one about expressions.

The others are about stuff I need less often and I study a dozen pages every now and then or keep open while I'm drawing, or very general books I stopped reading past chapter 3 because I already had some other book explaining the next chapters in more detail.

>>5237393

>>5237420
>but I don't know which one to fully commit to.
this video helped me this this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKp1QaZDBuo

>>5237393
wtf?! this is so interesting, it gets better every time I look it. so much going on is a such simple image.

>>5237393
Apparently, she's using CSP and it's paint bucket is way less shit than Krita's, that's one of their main selling points along with the 3D models and them being weebs.


I've considered buying it but I figured I was too /beg/ for it to matter, by the time I make it Krita will probably come pre-installed in your robo-waifu and she'll draw stuff for you.

I have a hard time not overshading. Does that get better with time or is it something that requires active pursuit?

reference

>>5237515
study

>>5237453
This amazingly useless tool simply just fills whole layer.

>>5237393
>vt
give up drawing

>>5237517
Every time you use the dump tool take 2 seconds with a pencil tool close all the gaps with the same color your dying that area with then. That way it will only dump the area you intend to fill and there wont be any artifacts.

What's a good book/vid/lesson plan on drawing clothes? I have stuff for anatomy, construction, perspective, etc, but nothing on clothing.

>>5237517
here, there should be similar options in whatever other program you have

not even a week into drawing i know im bad. which line is better though?

>>5237537
Ok, and what will this do? In all honesty, my only experience with anything digital is bloody microsoft paint.

>>5237544
picking "All layers" selects the pixels according to the global image instead of only the current layer. If you have a lineart layer and a color layer and use the bucket on the empty color one, "Current layer" fills the whole layer because there's nothing in it and "All Layers takes into account the final image with all layers on it and behaves like you'd want it to.

the checkbox fills an entire selection regardless of content, or the entire layer if you didn't select anything.
"Grow Selection" is used to make the color go slightly further than the lineart. Since you're typically under it, putting 1 or 2 pixels of it makes it less likely to end up with a few white pixels you'll need to manually correct.

>>5237539
Hypno and its not even close

>>5237539
Sketch lines can be very precise, but unless you're going for a stylistic approach (think Hotel Dusk), they aren't for final drafting. You'll want hard outlines for that.
Hypno has the better lines here.

>>5237539
could be worse. Start with reading a few books from the sticky, or with easier characters like Kirby

asuka draw, trying to use only flat colors

>>5237598
very cool, nose looks a bit overlong

>>5237274
H
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>>5237598
Good shit.
Nose is a bit long and the feet are pretty big.
That said, though, good shit. A lot of emotion being conveyed and I like to see you pushing yourself with that pose.

>>5237598
Now do her without pants.

>>5237598
i want to slap that ass so good

>>5237557
I see. And this way I will able to fill the lineart with that infamous brown and clip it for flat colours and layers with shades and whatnot? Somebody was also talking something about magic wand. Would you know what they meant? It went like select-invert-fill. Would know something about that?

>>5237274
Working large. Most of you /beg anons work too small.

>>5237620
i was gonna mention the feet too but i imagined her in some oversized sneakers or some shit and thought that would look kino so left it to stylization

Warm up bug

>>5237644
Nice bug

>>5237373
By learning to do it. You're just scribbling here. One of the beginning projects in the drawing 101 class I took in college (I thought I didn't need it, but you have to take it, and I learned a lot) was to draw 10 1" square boxes in a row on a page, and then fill each box with every weight of pencil in increments from 10% to 100% - and most importantly, to do it without showing pencil strokes. It's a lot harder to do than most think, and it's a good tool to learn values, and what pencil weights and how much pressure is needed for specific values.

So take the pencil you're using for the darkest value in your drawing, and draw a couple 1" squares and try to fill them evenly, where you can't see strokes, as practice.

Hint: if the graphite is shiny, you're pressing too hard/using too much.

Spoiler; you will not get a true black with pencils, you'll need a colored pencil or charcoal for that.

>>5237393
Easily the simplest anime tutorial i've seen on the matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1rQcXMT-mI

>>5237420
You don't need to commit to any of them.

Art is a lot of problem solving. How do I draw a face? How do I use perspective? How do i crosshatch? You identify the problem, and then explore for the solution. A good art teacher will point the way for you. If you're going to use books, then you'll need multiple books for multiple problems, there's no one book that will cover it all.

Start drawing. When you hit a problem, see if any of the books you have address it. It's like having a library of manuals when working on your car - you can do basic things, but when you hit a problem like rebuilding a carb, you have to find a manual for it.

>>5237629
the magic wand and the paint bucket are basically the same thing. It's called a flood fill algorithm : you pick one pixel, it checks neighboring ones for pixels with a color close enough to that one (that's what the threshold is for by the way, that defines what's considered "close" to the source color), and if they're close, it puts them in a stack and checks their neighbors, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_fill

more advanced programs like photoshop and CSP have another layer of math to estimate what you really want, compensate for aliasing or for when you fuck up lineart and forgot to close a shape, but both select an area with similar color or lack thereof, the bucket just fills it directly afterwards.

>>5237516
Draw BIGGER. It's almost impossible to control anything when the pencil strokes are that large, and a slight shift can throw the whole thing off.

>>5237515
>Does that get better with time or is it something that requires active pursuit?
Nothing is going to just get better over time from pure repetition other than I guess stamina.

If you're not actively trying to improve and correct your mistakes over that time, you'll continue to have the same problems.

>>5237533
You're requiring too much hand holding. You have a whole world around you, of people wearing clothing, and a whole internet of images of people wearing clothing.
Do what artists have been doing since the early days - get a piece of plain with cloth. Drape it over something, and draw it. Study how cloth hangs, how it bunches, how it folds. When you have a good feel for that, move onto clothing, and how clothes hand, compress and balloon off the body, depending on the fabric/garment. Then get into textures. It's a process, like everything else in art.

Yes, it will take time.

>>5237598
How long have you been drawing?

>>5237666
Alright then, Satan, I'll seek out models.

How bad is this?

>>5237696
pretty bad but could be worse

>>5237598
I think that the left lower leg a little shorter. can't say for sure tho.

hello, i failed to draw a tree today
good day

protip: touch yourself while you shower!

>>5237644
nice, why so bubbly? nothing wrong with that tho.

>>5237533
Clothes as in "drapery" or as in "fashion design" ?
I've been grabbing reference from online stores and my own wardrobe but all my characters look like hipsters and homeless crackheads, I'm kinda looking for some introduction to fashion to come up with original designs.

Otherwise just read Hogarth's book and remember to draw about half as much wrinkles as he does, fabric hasn't folded like that since we invented fabric softener and synthetic fibers.

>>5237696
I think it is kind of nice, but you should learn to apply balance in your poses. The left and middle characters appear to be falling.
Also, you could cut some empty space from the right to centralize them more (unless you plan to add some background or whatever).

So, I'm stuck in this project with the machine drawing in it, don't remember the accurate numbering, think it was 1 - F or something.

For some reason, I got this glaring problem at any of my copies from objects, that whenever I draw the larger shape that will define the object in question, the lines don't connect at all, I'm restating and squinting, but the area around the reflections makes the squinting kind of useless since I have a distinct glare due to light sensitivity and it blurs the lines.

I think my problem is that I'm trying to make a continuous line instead of drawing in parallel lines, making it easier to gauge distance, I'll also try to employ focus on areas with weaker reflections.

I'm going to try again after tomorrow (can't do it tomorrow because of work), planning to spend 8 hours into the book and get the project done.

>>5237740
no reason, just having fun

>>5237717
Why did you stop, anon?

>>5237743
look at runway fashion, there's a shit ton of photos from lots of different sources for lots of designers, several seasons every single year. there's a lot to consider design wise, you can discard the really postmodernist shit and still have an insane amount of reference left

>>5237533
There's ron lemen's anatomy of clothing, though I'm still at week one so I can't say too much about how good it is.

>>5237696

>>5237765
>>5237751
Well, what do you do if you if reference something like someone dancing or semi in the air?
https://sport360.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Jesse-Lingard-Dance.jpg

>>5236709
>>5236653
kys Imagine being this pathetic

>>5237598
The right leg is structurally messed up but nice to see you trying hard

>>5237761
To be honest I continued for a bit but got tired (this was the 3rd attempt, the previous ones were completely off in proportions)
I know this still quite off, but so it goes. I'll do another one tomorrow (and try to get further).

>>5237598
That doesn't really look like Asuka, it looks like a different person with her clothes and hair, but overall you did a decent job.

Im /beg/ af. Second day of digital drawing.
What should be next step.

>>5237769
exaggeration and context

>>5237785
coom

>>5237785
Take a step back and larn your fundies

>>5237785
>some of the most amazing art ive ever seen that i could never do in ten years of practice
>people on here saying this guy needs to learn his fundies
jesus fucking christ

>>5237803
what?

>>5237803
it might be this guy
>>5235860

>>5237785
Expression on the face looks ambiguous, don't know which feeling that face is representing right now.

>>5237803
based baitposter trying to revive the thread

>>5237807
>>5237805
im not bait i just sincerely believe most of the stuff in this thread isn't even /beg/

>>5237785
looks like you have bad line control, if that is the case works on your lines

>>5237791
Quarantine makes me horny :(

First finished painted piece that I'm proud of.

>>5237813
how do i learn that? is there a way to make smooth lines? i draw in SAI

>>5237819
Yes. I posted it to and redownloaded it from iFunny.

>>5237820
just make a new layer over your sketch anon

>>5237820
in my experience, learn the basics, something like dab, then just apply it in your drawings, it will take some time but your lines should improve. people recommend stabilizers, most drawing software have it I think, I personally don't like, but you should try it.

>>>/co/121223065

>>5237820
draw lines in quick, continuous strokes. get ready to use ctrl+Z a lot

>>5237845
Stabilizing is a good way of fucking up your hand in the long term. LEARN LINE CONTROL AND DON'T TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT

>>5237848
dear fucking god poor /co/

>>5237848
What's his problem? Is he that bad or just delusional?

>>5237520
He seems to says at first people just don't work on one piece for not long enough.
Then he speaks about the total time practiced.

I don't understand his point.

>>5237859
He is actually not *that bad*, he is simply mentally-ill

>>5237821
Well it's not very funny, but it's not bad. It gets the point across. That guy's undeniably pissed off.

>>5237845
>>5237856
I took the easy way, tomorow i will start learning it the real way.

But now it looks so stale :(

>>5237866
Not that bad? He sucks.

>>5237901

>>5237903
he sucks but he half skimread some courses and drew for a few months max. nothing outside expected progress for that kind of effort. his issue is he's actually, unironically braindamaged and delusional

>>5237901
>>5237904
Anon please, tell me where I can find a collection of your cute doodles :(

>>5237907
Stop lying, I've told him to quit before, he should and you know it.

>>5237921
He should but not because of a perceived "lack of talent"
He should because he needs to fix his brain first

>>5237891
No it doesn't. It actually does look better.

>>5237921
kek

I'm just waiting for 2022 to see schizo anon still asking if he's talentless and spamming the same shitty pics again.

It's over for him

>>5237891
one step at a time anon. just dont stabilize

3 DAYS
WASTED
TELL ME I SHOULD QUIT
I DREW FIVE THINGS
JUST SMACK MY ASS AND TELL ME I SHOULD GIVE UP
SOMETHING SOMETHING SONG LYRICS

>>5237891
do your lines in quick, continuous movements

manage your layers well to keep parts isolated from one another, so you can overshoot the endpoint of the line and then erase the excess

>>5237856
>Stabilizing is a good way of fucking up your hand in the long term.
why?

>>5237947
Because you will "learn" to draw complete wobbly garbage instead of proper lines.
Line control is really not complicated, all it takes is a bit of practice.

>>5237957
There a good line control tutorial? Something to get you started?

>>5237862
What he is saying is that people in the learning process are rushing their work to finish it fast and rarely seeing polished and properly finished work.
Then he goes about practice, time and getting better overtime.
But on his last tweet he says you only become faster by practicing a lot while taking it slow and going step by step on building your drawing and after a year you'll hopefully naturally shave off 1 hour of your average time to finish a piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8UqexKK_3A

>>5237809
If the people here are anything like me, they're posting work that they're comfortable with. More often than not these aren't strictly firsts.

>>5237959
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/2

>>5237957
I see, with fuck up you mean being shit? I thought you meant tendinitis. I just couldn't make the connection.

>>5237959
2 points, link them
2 points, link them with S curves
2 points, link them with C curve
repeat them on top of those lines and try to match them
do that as warm up
and use ghost lines, drawing without touching the tip of the pen

>>5237981
Just a fucking glance at this page immediately clued me into the mindset. I'll look deeper into this site. Thanks friend.

>>5237985
I just mean being shit, I assume wrist movements are worse for your tendons but it shouldn't matter much, for me my non-drawing hand is the one that gets fucked pushing ctrl+z so much.

>>5237235
>been studying morpho semi hard.
>last time could not draw arms and now semi get it and hands are getting easy.
>now studying legs also

i made the legs to long. I don't know why it looks shorter in the picture. How am i doing guy?

Just a break from studying.

Did a pencil study of Yusuke Murata. Please Critique.

I'm not going to prove that I know what I am talking about (because I've since deleted all of my research) but I still want to get this out there if anyone feels discouraged in their drawing process.

I've personally found that after 150 drawings of the same thing, or drawing that thing for 25 full hours, you become COMFORTABLE drawing that one thing. After 250 drawings or 50 full hours, you become PROFICIENT.

I've tested this when I was in my copy-grinding stage. While I didn't retain any of that ability after quitting for a year, I did learn this little truth.

Here's the process that you go through:
>25 Drawings = No idea what I'm doing...
>50 Drawings = Am I wasting my time?
>75 Drawings = Intense Frustration!!! Do NOT Quit here!!!
>100 Drawings = I kind of get it now.
>125 Drawings = This is actually kind of easy.
>150 Drawings = I think I want to experiment now.

I've tried this with hands, faces, feet, ect.
Every single body part I went through the same process and it doesn't matter how many hours I put in, I ALWAYS went through the intense frustration stage.
All you need to do is push past it though.
Acknowledge it but push past it. Don't let your feelings stop you from trying to draw something.

Personally, I would recommend first learning form and perspective before trying to copy something like this because you don't want to fall into the trap that I did where all I did was copy lines. (I did retain a very, very small ability to draw hands decently because of it but it is negligible compared to if I were to do the same thing with the knowledge I have now.)

But if you're into Anime, you could make it a goal to draw 150 anime heads. Maybe make it simpler on yourself and exclude the hair and facial features and stick just to the head shape or do it all at once.
Then you can draw 150 eyes and 150 hairstyles and at that point, you'll be pretty good at anime heads.

So that's just my little speech. I can't prove it but hopefully you'll test it out.

>>5238249
I'll add that the only reason I'm saying this is because there are people that keep saying that you have to draw something 10,000 times in order to maybe be good at it which is just not true.
They get this idea from the 10,000 hour rule which isn't even accurate either.

150 Drawings is more doable and approachable than 10,000 Drawings is.
That is what I personally found through my own research and is what I recommend for anyone that wants to draw something that isn't too complex.
(You definitely should not expect to be able to draw the ENTIRE human body only after 150 Drawings.)

Again, I can't say I have proof of it or that it works so you'll just have to take my word for it or ignore it.

>>5238227
take what you learn from this drawing, apply it to an original piece, then post it here so you'll get a worthwhile critique

There is a studio near me that hosts live model events for the public.
Is $25 worth it for 2 hours?
What would I get from a live model that I can't from photos on my monitor?

>>5238249
>>5238257
Bitch, If you methods were so good then why did you quit after a year of doing it

hello this is my first time posting in ic i tried to draw op
i started with the neck and then took a break and got high and started the face but i think its way worse could you tell me?

feet from imagination

https://twitter.com/fandabidoziii1
i kinda just want to shill my twitter

>>5238321
You'll get to stare at some real tits, go for it

>>5238347
Practice perspective

>>5238340
Not a beg anymore, go have fun outside Anon

>>5238321
>What would I get from a live model that I can't from photos on my monitor?
Natural lighting, and more pressure to do it quickly.

Both can be worthwhile reasons, but your image shows you could use more work on form too. You can study form from your PC fine for the most part, but real 3D could still make that easier too.

>>5238337
You're not where OP is, obviously, but this is a really good start, assuming you've started drawing recently. I'd like to see you finish this.

>>5238311
>take what you learn from this drawing, apply it to an original piece, then post it here so you'll get a worthwhile critique
Thank you, will do.

>>5238321
Yes, there's more information in real life than in a picture, simply due to the fact that you can change your position and understand better the three dimensionality of things.

>>5238321
>Is $25 worth it for 2 hours?
USD?! that's a little steep, but not terrible I guess. The most I've paid for a life drawing session is $15 CAD, and the session was 3 hours long (with two 5 minute and one 15 minute break)

I like Copic markers but goddamn they stink up the room

>>5238382
Let me clarify, 2.5 hours including breaks. Yes, USD.

Something I've probably spent way too much on. It was good brush practice, at least

>>5238416
And what did you learn by drawing that?

>>5238416
Something's wonky with the perspective but I can't put my finger on it. Maybe the fact that we see the top of the car, makes us look like we're really high up.

did a study of key999s art and a towergirl at the same time. What are somethings I can improve on?

>>5238321
I went to one of these 6 years ago and the model audibly farted. Everyone had a chuckle and she apologized.

>>5237649
This is some amazing advice. Thank you anon.

When you guys say you're doing a 'study' of another artist, does this mean copying one of their pictures to get a feel for it or just doing a picture in their 'style' from your imagination?

>>5238449
Generally it means copying their work to get a feel for it. Then, after doing many copies, drawing a picture from imagination helps the studies stick.

>>5238444
The head/neck does not seem to fit with the way the hood is drawn. Probably due to its size and the way it's shaded.

>>5238449
rote copy of the image itself

>>5238383
>smells rich in here

>>5238449
both are valid ways of studying an artist style but I feel the later is better since its purely technique based rather how well you can recreate another image.
>>5238454
noted, thanks

I don’t even know anymore

how far do people generally go into keys to drawing?

>Got a brand new PC with a really good graphics card and processor in December
>Played the fuck out of vidya for a month
>January decide to try digital art as I drew a lot traditionally back in high school
>Been staying up late as fuck, losing sleep, drawing every single day
>Haven't played vidya in 35 days
On the one hand I feel less like I'm wasting my time. On the other, if I don't end up making a profit with art then I've just transferred my time wasting. At any rate it feels good right now. No decent vidya on the horizon either so it should remain this way for now. Any other beginners experience this?

>>5238519
don't ever stop having fun with the art

>>5237276
leave beg

>>5237235
Hello fellow begs , is there an excercise or course you recommend to practice values , i'm going to give a shot to Scott R How to render but idk if it may be too much for a beg

>>5238619
not /beg/

>>5238621
legs for days

>>5237235
Just letting people know I steal art from this board and tell people irl I drew it. They never even consider looking into it and I get a fuckload of credit. When people ask me to draw stuff I just tell them my commission workload is too high.

nft art is a scam right?

>>5238646
Why would you steal crappy drawings?

>>5237785

>>5238619
great talent

>>5238416
dirty redline, good talent!

>>5238347
redraw her body out of boxes, then draw it again.

>>5237891
if you give me your discord id ill scream at you for an hour or two

>>5237598
leave beg you retard long-foot semi pro

havent drawn a figure in forever. no ref beside checking proportions and such on 3d model. how is it?

Unfinished, but at this point it feels like I'm just doing hatching practice, so I'm calling it done.

coom

>>5238721
worked on it a little more and added a face

>>5238921
You forgot to also add dick

>>5238665
Not only, but also money laundering. It's just modern abstract art transferred into the crypto. So basically if you don't have a name it's futile. There's no big buck, it's a closed club.
Swallow this redpill anon, if you don't the feelings of disappointment will be crushing.

I don't know how to learn fundamentals :c

>>5238416
>>5238430
Yeah it's the top of the car.

>>5238162
I like it

What's a good website to post progress pics? Twitter too big(not that someone's going to see it but it's still kinda intimidating) and idk about instagram

>>5237539
pokeomn are very good things to learn t draw, check out the dynamic bible. you have to learn to draw spheres and cylinders and stuff.

>>5237598
head over to int friend. you are too good for this thread. int was made for you.

An operator from a FPS game
I realized most of my mistakes too late, so I just sailed with it.

>>5239048
The construction lines

To anybody who isn't strictly beginner who've moved from trad art to digital art:
How hard is it to transition from paper to a non-display tablet?
I'm a poorfag who's using traditional to start with while saving up for a tablet, and it's always made me wonder whether or not I should save up even more for a display tablet or if I'll quickly get used to drawing while looking at my monitor.

>>5239055
i dunno just make sure you get at least a medium sized though because small tablets are like drawing on a napkin

>>5239059
Yeah, I was planning on going at least medium.
The actual plan was to get a large since I draw at home all the time, then just go out with my sketchpad until I get a medium size later on.

>>5239024
Nm I didn't know you can make twitter accounts private lmao

>>5239061
oh and its not really as... 'jarring'? as youd think. the real thing that needs to be overcome is learning your program of choice

>>5239085
Could be my ignorance talking but I think I've already made that choice. I've been using photoshop for editing and memeshit for years. Still, I'll keep it in mind.

Any critiques? i'm doing kind of a value study. I didn't pay attention to proportions. Tried to limit my self to 4 values only.

>>5239059
This is beg cope. Some of the best concept art of the digital age was made on a 6 inch intuous

>>5239127
I don't think anybody's saying small tablets can't make good art. Just that there's no point in the hassle of using it.

>>5239121
It's hard to tell what's going on in your study, I don't know what exactly your goal was for this one but I'd try playing around with the four values you have to at least seperate the figures from the bg.

>>5239127
That doesn't mean the tablet is good. I got a big one recently and it makes a huge ergonomic difference, I'd say size is the #1 priority when picking a tablet and anything else is just gimmickry.

>>5239127
that's great but buy a larger one anyway op
>>5239121
this is very far off, you can see it in the thumbnail. group your values more and pay closer attention to how dark the darks should be

>>5237516
Bruh that's not a fucking study it looks about 3cm tall lmao. If you're making art for ants it's no wonder you are struggling.

>>5239136
Goes for sketchpads, too. Thing with bigger tablets or sketchpads is you don't have to use the whole space, but it's good to know that space is there for when or if you need it.
It's an advantage that small tablets don't have.

>>5239127
>6inch tablet
You mean the carpel tunnel express

Been going back to learning fundies and today i wanted to study composition. Is there a good exercise i could do other than actually making quick compositions and see where its good and where its bad and trying to correct it and analyzing other works? Becouse that's all i really thought of.
heres my work before pyw

>>5238506
the face of the ratman is pretty nice

>>5238514
I downloaded it

>>5238621
photo studies? it is the only one I can think of

>>5239024
4chan.org/ic/ it is the only place I can think of where people would want to see it

>>5238621
Dorian iten light and form course for rendering, also includes a few excercises for each week. If you feel overwhelmed by the first weeks you can paint a few cubes and spheres from reference photos.

Ive been posting my art on twitter and i've got shadowbanned from searches, and it seems to be massively impacting how well my stuff performs. Does anyone know how to get rid of it? I haven't done anything unusual, just coom posting

>>5239175
>i wanted to study composition
not to be rude, but you're probably better off focusing on proportions, perspective and basic anatomy
you can still be mindful of composition when doing studies tho

>>5239206
its ok!
then i guess ill do anatomy today :p

>>5239048
>>5239050
your forms are pretty bad, can you do the organic forms exercises?

>>5239204
>just coom posting
That’s just it I think

>>5239207
If this wasn’t traced, not beg

>>5239224
range muata refs

>>5239215
The shading on the nose is weird but I don’t know why exactly

>>5239198
My drawings are below /beg/ standards

>>5239220
damn really? When I search for the big adult artists it at least suggests them for me. Thanks though, I didnt realise twitter did that.

>>5239234
yes?!

>>5239234
pyw

>>5239244
I only have like 10 sketches and this is the most decent of them

>>5239207
Very cute

>>5239234
>>5239253
I think your impression of /beg/ is way too high.

>>5239253
you can keep posting here

>>5239265
>>5239271
I mean these dudes are already coloring and shit but thanks anons

>>5237516
You probably spent more time posting it here than actually drawing it. No wonder you're having problems.

As for advice
>Draw bigger
>Draw more
>Shadows are probably the last thing you should worry about , you should be focusing on the overall figure and proportions more rn.
>Follow a figure drawing course .
my reccomendation is the villppu studio courses. You'll easily find it on the video course thread that gets posted occasionally.

>>5239265
True but even though some of their drawings might suck(not that I'm one to talk) these dudes are already doing full body, colors, no reference(some probably), etc. while I'm still doing self portraits(not even loomis heads baka)
>>5239271
Thanks anon

JUST SAY NO TO SOFT SHADING NIGGA

>>5239265
True
>>5239271
Thanks anon

drew the Mario model i mysteriously found on the sidewalk

>>5239240
Hey what’s your Twitter anon :)

>>5237891

Trying out new stuff, decided to paint with the watercolor brush over the sketch. Any feedback?

>>5239340
Hot

Is the overhand grip absolutely mandatory? It's really fucking hard.

>>5239345
Loomis

>>5239352
No.
How you use your arm is more important than how you hold the pencil.

/co/ was useless in helping me improve or telling me why am I talentless? What do guys?

>>5239360
That grip is really useful to stop using only my wrists for lines, but I still find it hard to use my shoulder. I find that I mostly move my elbow now.

>>5239365
try /adv/

>>5239370
Even more useless than reddit
Reddit, I deleted my reddit account because the art critique over there is atrocious
Tell me anon, why am I talentless?

>>5239370
Do not reply to the resident schizo.

>>5239377
Anon, nothing that I've tried works
Why can't I improve in art?
Talent and fate are both real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6lihZAcy4s

>>5239375
You were banned from learnart there though

>>5239379
you were born wrong, sorry pal

>>5239380
I got a 14 day ban yes, for telling them about my AVIAN PERSONA, I got myself banned forever because no one can treat me like that
>>5239381
Explain, be specific

>>5239370
That guy's some kind of weirdo. I think he gets off on the attention.
You can be a specific as you want and he won't give a shit.

>>5239384
when your dad ejaculated into your mom, 8 months later you were born. you were born the way that you are and do not have the ability to draw.

I tried many resources, I did my grinding, why can't I improve?
>>5239388
I want to improve anon
I wanted to draw like my heroes but I don't have the talent, it's all talent
After 6 months of failure I can say that not everybody can learn to draw, no MY love is vengeance for lying to me
>>5239389
Be specific as to the why I lack talent

>>5239384
I read it and they kicked you out for not taking advice, abusing people who tried to help you, and spamming.

>>5237598
anon please do you have an insta or twitter? i love this...

>>5239394
>why can't I improve
>I don't have the talent

Madman is starting to give himself the answer in his own posts

WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC TRAITS THAT MAKE MY ART TALENTLESS?
WHAT IS IT?
YOURE AN ART CRITIQUE BOARD
IT SHOULD BE EASY
>>5239402
I ALWAYS KNEW I KNOW IM TALENTLESS
you always to try to hide the pain
>>5239395
The GREAT avian being loves me

>>5239375
>why am I talentless?
The very premise of talent means that there is no "why". If there is some intrinsic quality that makes other people good at art, then your lack of that quality is also intrinsic. A part of you that is missing and cannot be replaced. If there was something you could do to gain talent, it'd just be skill.

>>5239405
im going to punch you in your dumb little head you gay baby

>>5239365

>>5239405
I love you so much anon. You might be ngmi but you've already made it to my heart

>>5239365
x

>>5239415
>>5239412
Youre taunting me with your talent, youre taunting me
laughing at me
You wont be forgiven
>>5239410
Drawing is not a skill
its talent
speak to me in mathematics, 6 months 4 hours minimum 5 6 average hours practice grinding
I SHOULD BE better if drawing was a skill but its not its talent
WHY?
>>5239411
In extreme DISTRESS
THE AVIAN BEING WILL TAKE OVER
>>5239413
ONLY I GET CALLED NGMI
WHY?
TELL ME WHY YOU FELT NO POTENTIAL IN PAST ME AND THEIR ARTWORK

Who is the "Avian being" ?
Sounds ominous

>>5239418
i wouldnt have redlined you if i had realized you were the thread griefer

>>5239422
WHICH one was yours? tell me

>>5239418
>Drawing is not a skill
>its talent
So why are you still here? Do you think you HAVE talent? Or do you think that if you just keep trying, you're magically going to gain talent? That's not how talent works.

>>5239426
both, i think you're lacking in intellect if this is a question. the transformation was the same on both.

Now i've joined the mocking-you-crew

>>5239365

>>5239428
You will not be forgiven, any abuse any insult against me, the avian being, the great entity from beyond always made us feel safe, we are safe with them, they will consume

>>5239418
You are right anon. Drawing is all about talent and you wasted all those 6 months for nothing. The only choices you have is to continue even though you're going to be shit-below decent for eternity or give up and try to find your talent(if it exists)

>>5239432
>>5239429
>>5239428
>>5239436
Loomis lied to me, he was guilty of sin
He's now forever dead, maggot food for all of eternity, do you wish to anger the great entity from beyond? She will deal with you once you pass.

>>5239436
>>5239432
>>5239429
You want me to leave, yet your sins have already been forwarded
Laugh all you want, we are only getting started, the I that speaks wont leave
You hate them? then hate them forevermore

>>5239405
look at the reddit fags, bam and they don't have to deal with the schizo.
/ic/ instead has no jannies.

>>5239434
>>5239441
What are you going to do? Hex me? You can't even draw a straight line, let alone a magic circle.

>>5239445
>look at the reddit fags, bam and they don't have to deal with the schizo.
Oh, they will, they will, the plans run on the background.
We will never forgive them
You lie but I dont let define you
>>5239448
Hey, youre not my problem
Talk with her if youre bothered
Again, its all her

>>5239369
That's a matter of attitude, not grip. I draw with my shoulder and standard writing grip

>>5239450
Tell your bird god she can't draw worth shit.

>>5239444
No wtf I don't want you to leave. You give me the motivation to actually finish my courses cause I don't wanna end up like you

>>5239457
Based

>>5239457
Your art will be tainted by my actions, hope you're not so willy-nilly about it
>>5239455
When you meet her you will know, you will
Shes not me and Im not her, but she loved me dearly

>>5239457
Also that drawing looks really cool

>>5239457
kek

>>5239463
Man you don't even have to taint my art I'm already ngmi unless you wanna give me a boost

>>5239448
>What are you going to do? Hex me? You can't even draw a straight line, let alone a magic circle.

drew a mantis today, fucked up the angle of the head
good day

>>5239483
try shading it a little, looks good tho

>>5239471
No, don't pussy out, aren't you a grown up? GO on, take it like a woman, take it like a woman take it like a woman take it like a woman take it like a woman take it like a woman
AREN'T YOU A GROWN UP? GO ON
TAKE IT LIKE A WOMAN
LIKE A WOMAN
LIKE A WOMAN
AREN'T YOU GROWN UP? GO ON

>>5239505
What the hell is happening in here

>>5239505
wHAT A MESS YOUVE MADE
JUST SIML;E
AND TAKE IT
WHAT A MESS YOUVE MADE
JUST SMILE AND TAKE IT

>>5239532
Autism.

>he's back to larping
give up faggot, nobody will miss you and nobody will care. mcdonalds is hiring

>>5239534
>>5239532
>>5239542
>>5239544
im not the one writing this
IM EVERY SINGLE LETTER THAT APPEARS AND CONTORTS
WATCH ME APPEAR AND MULTIPLY
AAAAAAA AND MORE ME AAAAAAA
IM THE LETTER
A AND THE LETTER B
IM ALL THE LETTERS THAT APPEAR
THIS IS NEW TO ME
THIS IS MY FEELING

>>5239505
No man fuck you I'm not even a grown up im still leeching off my parents fuck sociiety

how to improve at art they say?
do I type this or am I am the typing?
more letters appear and there are more of me
stop messing with my head

Im appearing on my screen, Im the typing this is my thought process this is my brain
this is my box
this is my boz this is mine
this is me
im not the typer im the typing
im creating more of me im appearing all over the place im full of myself

>>5237244
I like it, but that hand is really killing it

What is happening in this thread

>>5239571
Why can't I improve? Why did I fail?

This is why nobody likes you, anon.

>>5239598
we are not even the same species, I only want to draw anon
I wanted to get better
I was denied entry into this club
All of art spit me out
Viral infection, cancer
overgrown failure, tumor
I've been denied all help and hope

>>5239601
become hitler

>>5239340
im on a lewd Towergirl rampage

>>5239055
My work imporved a lot after switching from ipad to a huion non-display. I found it pretty easy to use

>>5237235
Whats a good setup for taking selfies for reference pics? I want to model myself with certain minds of clothes, positions, etc but i only have a phone camera.
Any ideas?

>>5239481

>>5237516
if you got the arm's shape right, it would improve it 100%, I suggest you to at least do some arms and hands studies.

>>5239677

>>5237717
you should add the cross contour lines, it is a good practice and make it look better imo.

hows my nats?

>>5237757
did you try punting the drawing right next to the object, in a fixed position, I find that the least my eyes have to travel the better my measurements get.

>>5239488
Thanks. I tried shading it, but it was too complicated, I need to do some exercises with more basic shapes.

>>5238444
beg here, not sure where the left corner of her face is(the one closer to us), I find that drawing both corners, in the sketch, helps a bit.

>>5238721
>>5238921
why didn't you use references. if you do, you learn so much just be comparing the images

>>5239571
retards wasting up space

>>5239121
I would suggest you to try with something simpler like an egg, because it is hard to compare like this

>>5239331
he looks like he going to murder you in your sleep.

>>5239419
kek

Why cant I improve? why me?

you were dropped on your head as a baby sorry man oh and youre gay laso

also

new thread
>>5239796
>>5239796
>>5239796

drew my cat

help

>>5237235
how do i get this artstyle

>>5239886
really cute i like how you allocated your details to the face and tail

>>5239886
cute as hell

>>5239713
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>>5239713
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>>5239713
>>5239713
>>52thejunglewavescometome39713
>>5239713
>>5239713
>>52397mamasaymamasamacusa13
>>5239713
>>5239mamasaymamasamacusa713
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>>5239713
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>>5239713
>>5239713
>>5239mamasaymamasamacusa713
>>5239713
>>523mamasayma9713
>>5239713
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>>5239713
>>5239713
>>523REPLY REPLY REPLY REPLY REPLY REPLY REPLY9713
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>>5239713
CRITIQUE MY FUCKING ARTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>>5239713
ACTIVITY LOW?
I CAN SEE WHY.

>>5239713
looks awful. there's your critique

>>5240709
Duh redline please.
Duh why is it bad please.
Duh durr.

>>5240553
Well colors are bouncing off each other a lot

I did a couple of Loomis heads from photo reference (and a couple of extra shitty constructionless heads on the right for shits n' giggles)

I assume all I can really do is practice more (and maybe study drawing specific body parts that are giving me trouble, like noses).

First painting I'm actually proud of. There are bits and pieces here and there that I could fix but I rather jump into the next painting and hopefully get a little better

>>5241032
Keys to Drawing to get rid of symbol drawing, you need to learn to draw any arbitrary thing rather than "learning to draw X".

>>5240694
>>5240697
>>5240701
>>5240705

Another schizo added to the board

Does blind contour drawing actually help?

>>5237235
Thoughts on this ghoul please

>>5242997
stupld camera

Why continue trying?.. If I can't get any better.