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wow he's literally me

>>5211175
Colored or W&B?

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>>5211175
So, how polished are we talking about and how back in history are we allowed to go?

>>5211715
I would become eunuch just to be able to draw like this. Fuck.
Anyone know artists that specifically draw like this?
Also, any courses?

Paul Felix is king

>>5211760
There are no courses. You just draw. Hiroaki Samura went to an art school, but he didn't finish it, because he started drawing manga full time.

>>5211777
>just draw
>manga
what's wrong with this board?

KJG in his old work

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Amazing, looks like a photo I can't even draw a stickman lol

>>5211833
op didnt ask for stickman so fuck off

>>5211783
pyw

pic related, pencil drawing by Hiroaki Samura

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>>5211808
I can't believe how real this is. Is this actually a drawing? I was sure that it's a photo.

>>5211908
Hiroaki Samura is also a serial liar

>>5211902
What the fuck

>>5211912
Value studies are very good when done right.

Some artists who study from photos (and not try to become professional photocopiers) learn how to vary their values to produce amazing results. It's believable. There's also a guy on youtube I forget his name who makes huge graphite powder drawings.

>>5211760
>I would become eunuch just to be able to draw like this.
you do know he draws a bunch of guro torture porn? right?

>>5211912
that's all lame ass realism shit
what I want is artist who does >>5211715
realism is boring as fuck but being able to create an entire fictional scene straight out of pencil is what is impressive to me
>>5211783
so you can tell me Loomis?
I've posted my work several times and since proven the fact that no matter how long you grind, you can't improve. Which is why I keep saying the "just draw" mentality is arrogance and ignorance combined as I've done exactly that and have not improved.
Not to mention that I started with copying manga and then moved onto real life and I'm still a shit beg.
Just Draw doesn't work and I am a testament to that. Posting my work would solve nothing, neither for me or for anyone else as people would just spam "Loomis" which is unhelpful and I tried it and it doesn't work and seeing some beg artwork cannot prove or disprove my claim.

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>>5211902
Photos or real life ?!?!? O__o
amazing!!
Ph

>>5211808
>only pencil
>blue eyes
seems legit

>>5211956
Yes. But this vaseline covered shit doesn't teach you anything. There's no structure, no anatomy, no clean definition of values. Works like thees turn you into referencelet who can perfectly render, but can't draw to save their life.

You want to learn to realistically render with the pencil? Step number one is to stop smudging and start learning anatomy and construction.

>>5211956
Clean shading and clean edges

>>5211956
And it actually looks real.

>>5212171
there is your underline structure, the more you refine the less you'll see it

>>5212185
I'm sorry, anon. That's not how it works.

Wow this look like photos :O

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>>5212185
fuck sarcastic posters these look fantastic. What do I need to do to get here?

>>5212295
loomis

>>5212295
1. Pencil, preferably of soft variety
2. Paper of some kind
3. Mirror
4, Approx. 10000 hours of practice

It's actually really simple.

>>5212296
I’m talking specifically in regards to rendering, recommended video courses preferable

>>5211715
can't get over the hooves

>>5212300
>Approx. 10000 hours of practice
You don't need any practice to copy something. I did it the first time I tried. I think I spent maybe 3 days to make something looking pretty similar to these.

>>5212308
Are you expecting a real fucking reply, you absolute fucking idiot?
Its fucking Loomis, Vilppu, or Retard.
That's all you fucking get on this shit board.
Take the fucking Loomis and expect nothing else, dumb fuck.

>>5212150
I don't think about it in terms of realism and style. To me what people would say is realistic, isn't because drawings communicate ideas. So a drawing that is more "stylistic" or more abstraction from real life is just being more specific about what they are saying. Just like the director of a film where they show you where to look with the camera and what is important through the lens. So a style that is more realistic isn't focused on what it is saying. It's saying everything and there is no hierarchy of what is important or what its point is. So when we communicate ideas in real life we make a point just stylistic drawings do, so in that sense, they are more real than a "realistic" drawing

>>5212453
can i see them?

>>5212308
It's a fucking pencil, what do you want people to say? You can't get more simplistic and easy to use tool than that. As I said, the only rule is to not smudge, do hatching instead. You press lighter to get lighter tone and harder to get dark tone. Work from light to dark, slowly ramping up contrast (because erasing to go lighter is a bitch). If you need to cover big area with tone, shade with the side of the tip (again, using hatching), you will get a thicker line. This is why many artists sharpen their pencils by hand like pic related, to get really long tips so that they can shade with the side. This is also how you can get smooth gradients, by shading with the side and going from light to dark. No smudging required.

Beyond that, there's no tool-specific tutorials. Just learn anatomy, perspective, and all your other fundies.

>>5212456
there is no reason to be rude. I noticed that when working in the industry, the loud guy yelling at everyone usually does it to hide the fact that they don't know what's going on. It's a way to appear like you know what you are talking about with confidence but really it comes from a place of insecurity.

>>5211175
Alan Lee.

>>5212053
That only makes him cooler.

>>5212501
It also keeps the tip longer sharpened like that. You can go down halfway before resharpening, while a mechanically sharpened pencil will go blunt faster.

>>5212507
pyw

>>5212507
>the industry
Which industry?

>>5211175
myself

>>5211760
>I would become eunuch just to be able to draw like this.
would you work for it tho?

>>5211822
Post it.

>>5212589
the rare valid pyw post!

>>5211175
my queen eleeza

>>5212589
he won't

>>5211760
The Blade of the Immortal guy is the only one that draws like this. He's a beast.

>>5212053
Surprisingly tasteful guro.

How do I edit my scans so that they look really nice? The lines are a lot lighter than how I see them on the paper.

>>5212160
You a fuckin' retard or what?

>>5212272
Is this reubens?s

>>5213619
Yeah how dumb to think you can't draw blue with a pencil. Kill yourself.

>>5212501
what about shading with the side of the pencil, an even wash of value that's not hatching, but you're not smudging the graphite afterwards either?

>@q_ha_superani
One of the superani guys does incredible graphite drawings. He also does ink and watercolor paintings for comics/graphic novels too. Incredibly underrated.

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Yup

>>5214022
Going back and forth usually looks messy, but can look good in the hands of a competent artist. Most masters don't do that, though. Look at this piece by Leonardo, you can clearly see he's only using hatching to shade.

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>>5214045
I see thanks. Gotta say haven't heard a lot about regular hatching as opposed to crosshatching, but this looks great

>>5212272
that is different colors of chalk, wash and watercolor
>>5214045
that is a metalpoint or a pen, literally the opposite of what op asked for
you’re looking at completely different mediums and expecting them to look like a medium that didn’t even exist at the time
the drawings don’t look like that because it’s better, they look like that because the mediums didn’t permit what pencils do
if you want to draw with a pen, draw with a pen

>>5212295
Research Russian and Chinese academic study approach. I don’t know if there is any resources on that in English besides Mogilevtsev books, it’s probably easier to learn russian and find original resources. There are bunch of videos on this subject on youtube, but it’s untranslated

>>5214076
New Masters Academy has a dude who trained at one of the Russian Repin Academies showing you exactly how he learned how to draw for dozens of hours
i dont think you can get much better than that

>>5211175
www.instagram.com/puduparty

>>5214187
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH OOOOOOOOOOGGGAAAA

>>5214187
Superb work my friend. Keep up the good work.

Have a pepe for your effort.

>>5211817
my problem with pencil drawings like these are they always look so pale and washed out with barely any tonal variation

>>5214187
followed

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>>5212180
Finally, some good fucking drawings. Thanks.

>>5211890
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I see a nipple

>>5214187
I don't know why this cracked me up but it did.

>>5214074
>that is different colors of chalk, wash and watercolor
Nope. This is actually ink + chalk. It's an example of an animal rendered extremely realistically with very rigidly defined structure. It wasn't intended as an example of pencil drawing technique.

>that is a metalpoint or a pen
Nope, this is actually charcoal. Charcoal 'pencil' like pic related, to be precise. Which is functionally identical to an actual modern soft pencil.

>>5212295
this isn't really drawing. Its photocopying

>>5215856
The horse is photocopying. The other two are from 1860s, you doofus.

>>5215887
oh I'm sorry. I forgot the 60s changes everything.

>>5212150
You know, the shit you fucking idiots make up on this board is actually starting to become funny instead of just depressing.
So "just draw" didn't work for you. That doesn't mean it didn't work for Samura, or any other mangaka, or even myself. You're just as bad as the people you complain about.
By the way, you dumb anecdote is not proof that one cannot improve by drawing a lot. All it proves (and I mean that in the loosest sense) is that it might not ALWAYS lead to improvement.

>>5215819
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_Oo-9-35
The other one I am confident is what I said based on his other work and mediums used, so unless you can prove ot, I’ll say you’re full of shit.
Regardless, the point is that you can’t achieve graphite shading with fucking chalk

>>5211715
Kino as fuck.

>>5215887
daguerreotype was made in 1840, and camera obscura even earlier. Photocopying already existed in the 1860s nigga.

>>5215819
charcoal, and especially the charcoal they had access to is literally nothing like graphite pencil of any grade, that’s why we have charcoal pencils

>>5211890
AHHHH I SEE A NIPPLE AHHHHGGGHHHH CUNNNNYY WAAGGGYHH

>>5212701
same. love her works

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What do you two even trying to say? That you cannot achieve clear realistic rendering and definition with a pencil only using hatching? Because that's clearly wrong. The fact that we are even having discussion on the medium in which it is drawn just shows how irrelevant it is. The technique is universal, and can be applied to a regular graphite pencil just as easily. It's literally the same fucking thing. Or are you trying to say that there are no universal techniques across different mediums? Because that is clearly ridiculous.

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