/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5213774
Are you asking this to try and cope

>>5213774
perhaps, due to the fallibility of self assessment in the learning feedback loop when it comes to art. if your algorithm is wrong you will just get the wrong result. if you wrote spaghetti code then it's objectively hard to change. if your cooking is bad then it will taste bad. when you create art there's a phenomenon where you're practically blind to your own mistakes, so without a skilled and critical pair of fresh eyes to identify your problems you may never improve, all the while reinforcing the mistakes and ingraining them into your intuition.

>>5213784
That's probably the answer, along with the fact that you don't need to build up shit like a sense of proportions or muscle memory when cooking (in general) or programming

>>5213791
i don't know about cooking but for programming you actually do need to learn underlying principles to be anything beyond a code monkey. knowing when to apply certainly algorithms, design patterns, architectural styles needs to become intuitive which only happens after broad exposure and repeated application of principles. it's not so different from art in that regard.

>>5213784
Cooking and programming are also much more useful skills than drawing. Drawing is pretty much useless.

>>5213802
to add to this, it took me a year from struggling through the medium to blowing through the hard questions on leetcode. By the end my thoughts were way more organized and I was able to recognize abstract structures in the questions being asked. What would have taken hours before would take 10 minutes after. I think this is also the way with chess and perhaps mastery towards any subject. You need to build an intuition that allows you to quickly recognize familiar patterns

>>5213804
i don't know about that, people are complex and have diverse needs. programming for money and mental stimulation, cooking for healthy sustenance, and art for catharsis. I wouldn't discount any.

>>5213802
>>5213812
Guess I was wrong then

Just cook.

>>5213774
Yes. There's a reason there's a billion bugmen code monkeys out there but only a handful of high level artists in the world. Even double digit IQ poojeets can casually pick up coding over a few weekends and replace guys that have been doing it their whole lives.

The issue in this question is what is a “good programmer” or a “good cook”, or a “good artist”
There is definitely far, far more top tier programmers pushing the envelope than the equivalent artists and chefs combined, but is it because the quality/usefulness assessment of the end product is less abstract or because it’s a far younger field that pays shitloads of money?
If we’re looking at a skill level of “can do job without it being complete shit”, we run into the abstract quality again, what is good food or good art? When you think of code, you’re probably defining it as working without bugs, you press a button and the thing you want to happen happens without crashing or whatever, but literally any drawing “does the job” as in conveying its idea, 4 year old kids will draw a house and a dog and you will know they draw a house and a dog. Any retard can fry some eggs and have them be edible and nutritious, so so how do you define equivalent achievement?
Even with 0.01% of artistic work, you frequently have people calling it shit, people will be disgusted by a meal because they hate peas or something, but if you push a button and it does its job, mission accomplished, you need to be another coding autist and look inside to nitpick it, unlike the other two

>>5213774
Yes.

>>5213774
>hiding hands on the 2nd one
Is the artist the same or new?

>>5213774
Learning fundies, no.

Learning to fundies and putting it to use, drawing long enough to discover your true style and becoming a sage. Yes.

anyone can learn to draw a cube in 3d, but it takes more than just some practice to turn the cube into something original.

>>5213774
No, just do loomis retard

>>5213774
Improving art is 100x more difficult than improving Technical Analysis and give 100x less return per effort.

Lmfao what the heck 4chan?
You described my life, I went to study programming, failed at it, chef's school, failed at it too, drawing and failed at it.
Yeah I'm a retarded failure.
But thing is everything has its complexities.
I would say that high gastronomy is the closest to art, since it requires technique and patience, just like trad or digi art.

>>5213815
wow based. i wish i could write like that

>>5213774
god i have to get hunie pop 2 i cant wait to cum to jessie again

>>5214095
Drawing is not for you

>programming
>cooking
>skills
Oh no no no the codemonkey has arrived bros, what do?

>>5213774
If by "art" you mean drawing, then yes. Artistic skills aren't universally difficult, but drawing is far harder to learn than most skills.

>>5213774
>Is improving in art more difficult than improving in other skills like programming and cooking?
sorta but not for the reasons you think

>>5213774
NO TIFFANY NO BUY

>>5213774
This image actually pisses me off by how awful that anatomy is.

>>5213774
Only if you don't enjoy drawing (like me)

>>5214823
So what are the reasons