/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Okay I'm off to bed now, I hope this thread take ssteam

>>5169719
>posting pages form the book Action! Mystery! Thrills! Comic Book Covers of the Golden Age
Great book to post from, anon. Love those pulpy comic book covers. Also love these threads, I'll dig in my inspiration later this weekend to see what I can add.

>>5170019
Great, let's keep this up

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THESE HAVE SO MUCH SOUL HOLY SHIT!

>>5169719
I've really been digging these Schomburg covers lately.

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>>5170815
There is a lot going on here

Do you think Marvel or Dc would benefit from printing black and white comics

hope you have all watched heavy metal at least once in your lives

>>5171429
The one with the sexy lady and the plane in space

>>5171392
Just give the colorists more time to work and coloring in american comics will be fixed

>>5171392
Yes, it would save money and prevent colorists from ruining great b&w lineart. Just look at manga, they're doing great like that. Burger comics care too much about shit that doesn't matter like glossy paper and coloring.

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>>5172079
Why is older comic art usually so much more appealing than modern comic art? We need to bring the factor of APPEAL back in comics bros

>>5170907
>There is a lot going on here
That's part of the fun, in an age of minimalism it's cool to see work that's maximalist.

>>5171392
>Do you think Marvel or Dc ...
I couldn't care less about what Marvel or DC does.
What needs to happen is for another publisher (maybe a new one) to innovate both in content and format, and to get books in places where non-nerds congregate, like Circle Ks and head shops.
Think how EC Comics shook up the industry with their lurid subject matter and art/writing that was better than the rest of the industry. Not to mention stories you could read in one sitting without knowing 30+ years of continuity.
But realistically I think the future of American comics is more likely online than on paper.

>>5172138
That has been done before and failed, crossgen comics being the most notable example, I've reached to point to say that the problem is that americans don't read.

I love this cover

>>5171392
DC is working on their Batman Black and White series which has decent success.
But it's not something that can carry over to all of their publications. Children in particular are drawn to color, so children's comics need to be colored to sell well. B/W is usually for comics aimed at teens and older. Plus, superhero comics have always been colored so it's a long-standing tradition at this point.

>>5171429
Skip the middleman and go straight to the actual magazine, tons of great artists worked on comics for it.

>>5172081
god thats his best stuff imo

>>5173403
>superhero comics have always been colored so it's a long-standing tradition at this point.
true but its been sodomized to death by computers.

getting into wally wood but all ive checked out is canon which seems very much to been or have inspired al williamson who is my fav (along with Raymond and toth) where else should I look for good Wood work?

Is there anything else like the Conan comics? Looking for comics with great art and illustrations of early man

>>5173510
I'm a HUGE Wood fan (Wally Wood, that is). There are a few essentials I couldn't live without. I'm partial to the dead wood versions of these books, but some can be found online if you look around (cough, readcomiconline, ahem).
First there's the two volumes of The Life and Legend of Wallace Wood by Fantagraphics. Both have biographical details, interviews with Wood's peers, in depth articles about his work, and of course great reproductions of his work. There's also ...

>>5173567
... Woodwork by IDW. While the text and design is better in Life and Legend, Woodwork has the most extensive compilation of Wood's work including a few complete stories. Many prefer Woodwork, but I consider all of the above essentials.

>>5173580
But maybe you just want to read Wood's best work? Most would argue that the stories he illustrated for EC (usually written by Al Feldstein or Harvey Kurtzman) were his best work, often described as his "beautiful clutter" period.
Fantagraphics currently has 3 volumes of his EC work: Spawn of Mars, Atom Bomb, and Came the Dawn. They're in B&W, which is fine, because Wood's work works best in beautiful B&W.

Favorite old school artist, for me its Jhon Romita

>>5173612
There are a bunch of others. Galaxy Art and Beyond, which collects Wood's pulp art. Cons De Fee, which collects his erotic work.
Then there's the IDW Artist's Edition, which has some of his best EC stories printed from the original artwork at full size (15 x 22). It has to be seen to be believed. I gained a whole new respect for his work when seeing it in this format.
Unfortunately it's out of print and goes for wild prices online. It's sad because I think every aspiring artist and fan should see Wood's work 'in the flesh.'
There is a smaller Artisan Edition (8x12) which is probably worth getting, despite the size being a big reason the Artist's Edition is so appealing. Hopefully one day IDW will do a reprint or sequel.

>>5173504
The ideal should be 1 or 2 colors, nowadys colorist add 3 or more colors in an attempt to look realistic which ruins the artist work

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Thank you very much!

>>5173628
You should check Leonard Starr, Mary perkins on stage. Leonard was an influence on Romita.

>>5173643
Yeah the prices I've seen are nuts, but they are incredible. I got the Williamson starwars one god its huge and beautiful.

>>5173612
Based Wally Wood cucking Frazetta for that job. What a Chad

>>5173676
That is really good

>>5173580
I picked up woodwork I have the buscema version they put out it's great. I'll get the others after taxes.

>>5173681
Yeah, I'm also a Williamson fan and wanted that one too. But last year I got a little crazy and bought the Wood AE (I got it before it reached 'down payment on a car' prices), Jack Davis AE, and Mad AE. Maybe later this year I'll splurge again.

>>5173676
Stan Drake is great as well. He was in the car that Alex Raymond died in, and apparently was was an influence on Raymond in his use of reference photography for realistic expressions.

>>5175746
yep, I didn't forget him though, his style is not as like Romita as Starr. Drake was a massive influence on Neal Adams though, Adams had a medical comic strip (cant remember the name atm) which he sells on his website which is rather nice. Other Raymond style artist (Rip Kirby era) which is a list I know I'll miss some, is John Cullen Murphy (big ben bolt), Steve Rude (nexus), Warren Tufts (casey Ruggles) Dan Barry (60-70s flash gordon) Angelo Torres, John Prentice (rip kirby raymonds replacement after his death), Paul Gillion, Russ Manning, Jose Luis Salinas, David Wright, various Modest Blaise artists, Ken Bald to name a few. Many have their own variation on the raymond style.

>>5176539
Gillon's work is fantastic. Les Mécanoïdes Associés and Les Naufrages du Temps are incredible.

Alex Ross, is he based or cringe

>>5178272
Good technique but his art gets samey with time

>>5178272
he is good, but he suffers being held in regards as a painter only. I saw some of his work where he was going to do pencils and inks in a neal adams like style that got rejected by DC. Considering the state of the industry it would be a good time for him to do his own stuff through crowdfunding.

>>5175746
god Drake's brushwork was impeccable (or penwork? I've read Drake used a Gillott 291 pen nib, but some of the strokes here definitely look like a brush). That whole illustrative school of comics was great.

At what size do you guys prefer to draw and read your comics?
Pic related has american to the left and european to the right

Ive been a lifelong fan of Adam Hughes.
>>5175746
I can remember reading an interview with Drake, because I liked his art so much. He descibed his work day, getting up, making breakfast for him and his wife, then he walked down to a little studio he had not far from his house when his wife went to work, he worked till noon, broke for lunch, then back to the studio till 6, had a martini, then dinner with his wife. Sounded like such a comfy lifestyle and a good way to keep your artwork output constant.

>>5171429
Its a weird nostalgic experience, that movie. Its not my favorite animated movie ever, but I love the tone of it, the music and the nudity, its such a oddball thing. And Tarrna is like a post-apocolyptic Red Sonja or Xena. Tarnna has the same erotic fascination to me as Serpieri's Drunna.

Here is the original pencil concept art for Tarrna by Chris Achelios, they had to simplify her costume big time for the sake of making the animation faster. Heritage Auction's site has a bunch of Heavy Metal cel art and production art from the movie, very cool stuff.

there is a watchmen panel with a similar composition to this.

off to bed soon, keep it alive

>>5173567
these are so expensive now

>>5180488
>At what size do you guys prefer to draw and read your comics?
draw: 11x17
read: 15x22 (HUGE ASS ARTIST EDITION)

>>5180353
Since we're on the topic of Stan Drake, I dug up some Heart of Juliet Jones art from my inspiration.
Some great facial expressions of that cutie Eve Jones, who came to overshadow her sister Juliet despite her name being in the title.

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I've been getting into Harvey Kurtzman, a change of pace from the illustrative stuff I've been looking at.
I'm finding that Kurtzman is one of the great designer/layout artists. Even if an comic artist doesn't draw in his style, a lot can be learned by looking at his layouts and concept art.

>>5185088
Kurtzman's layouts for Superduperman, which Wally Wood eventually drew. Kurtzman's layouts are deceptively simple, he gets across a lot of the action with very simple shapes.

>>5185089
Kurtzman's layouts for Little Annie Fanny, which Will Elder drew over. At this time Kurtzman's layouts became more sophisticated, including shades of grey and a color guide.

>>5185096
From one of Kurtzman's classic EC war stories. Unlike most of the other EC artists, Kurtzman's work was less illustration and more design.

>>5185098
A Kurtzman cartoon spread

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quality posting

>>5169719
God it all looks so ugly

You guys like modern artists?
I like Clayton Crain stuff

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>gwenom
Muh dickkkk

>>5186429
I do but if you post anything too modern people will get pissy

>>5186429
Something about most digital painting turns me off. It's a visceral reaction, it's too polished and artificial to me. But no doubt that guy has chops.
I do like some modern artists: James Harren, Ed Piskor, Paul Pope, Bruce Timm, Shane Glines, Daniel Warren Johnson, Tom Vigil, Travis Charest. Also alt comics like Chris Ware, Daniel Clowes, Jim Woodring.

>>5186070
God, I can't imagine anyone not loving the American comic art of the golden and silver age. The craft, the unpretentiousness, the pulp, the soul.
But hey, to each their own. More fun for me.

>>5186540
I choose him because he does the whole thing unlike other comic artist who suffer from having shitty colorist

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its well done but personally I dont like the look of digital there is something about it that just turns me off. Though not all digital is bad some can be good but for the most part give me the analog stuff.

>>5171392
Absolutely; DC has already published B&W versions of their comics (mostly Batman) and I've thoroughly enjoyed them.

Bump

>>5171392
unironically yes, hell, even make a special edition that is just the pencils with some contrast tweaks for readability, i love how those look

>>5191670
keep posting these, anon, these are great. also, this is one of the best threads on this god forsaken website.

>>5191680
I just wish it was a tiny bit more active

As I rediscover the traditional brush and pen, I comb through masters like Raymond. I find his Rip Kirby work striking, like those zen-like brush strokes found in clothing and other elements.

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Probably one of the most iconic panels from Rip Kirby.

>>5191764
A lot of interesting stylistic choices in Rip Kirby, like the hatching on the face in the bottom center panel here.

>>5191768
His earlier Flash Gordon work was tighter, less strikingly modernist, but no less elegant.

>>5191769
A close up on Raymond's brushwork in the above panel.

>>5191771
how's brushwork like this even done?

>>5192027
Kolinsky sable + india ink + patience + steady hand

>>5186429
Esad Ribic is my current favorite.

Alex Toth character drawing probably for the Super Friends cartoon, I remember Toth did concept art for theSpace Ghost cartoon too, I believe Toth even designed SG.

>>5191771
Thank you for posting these. They're beautiful.

>>5192368
Yeah, he designed Space Ghost and a bunch of other characters: Birdman, Thundarr the Barbarian, Sealab, The Herculoids, etc.
Whenever I'm looking for character design inspiration I just search for Alex Toth. A lot of his best designs didn't even make it to the cartoons.

>>5186429
I think early 2000s Ramos is underrated
These are some of the most dynamic comics I've ever seen, the designs look more fresh than anything that came out in the last 10 years, the colors are just epic it looks like some high budget animated movie
If you compare these issues with the stuff Ramos has made in the last decade they were way better

Look at this

Mike Zeck

more Mike Zeck

We need the 1 or 2 coloring back

I've never heard anything by Will Eisner nor do I know much about him but the few pictures I saved made by him look better than everything else where should I start reading?

>>5192664
Any collections of The Spirit, his most famous work. You can also find the individual issues as they originally appeared newspapers decades ago on Comicbookplus, but most of them are yellowed from age.
A lot of people consider the Contract With God trilogy as his best work. They are correct, also read it.
He has instruction books out on comic theory, structure and expressive anatomy. Check those out.
Heritage Auctions and Comicartfans have originals of his work if you want to do studies of him. Sometimes, entire issues of originals get uploaded too.

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10 out of 10. Everything was there.

>>5192686
thanks a lot I forgot that Comics & Sequential Art

>>5192664
>Will Eisner
BTW he studied with brigdman and reilly.

>>5192664
Did someone say Will Eisner? Good, I'm looking for any excuse to dig up my Eisner inspo.

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This one needs to be credited to Wally Wood, who drew a Spirit story in outer space (no one did outer space like Wood) under Eisner's direction. Wish they did more work together.

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>>5192745
why is a quarter of the image obstructed by this obnoxious text? There are more details there

>>5194048
this is so good. saved!

>>5192664
An artist whose style is reminiscent of Eisner is Mike Ploog (which makes sense, since he was Eisner's apprentice).
Ploog is such an underrated artist, I love his stuff.

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From Werewolf by Night #14. Ploog often breaks the grid, making for some fluid layouts.

>>5196050
No one captured the mystical quite like Ploog.

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Another fun, fluid layout.

>>5196053
Everyone knows Conan, but can't forget Kull.

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Ploog also worked with Ralph Bakshi on some designs for Wizards.

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Ploog did the first Ghost Rider (co-creator). He also did the best Ghost Rider.

>>5196065
Finally, can't forget Ploog's Giant-Size Man-Thing.

>>5192642
>We need the 1 or 2 coloring back
What is that?

>>5194014
epic
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>>5196113
By looking at the picture you see the characters has like 1 color and the robot has only 2, nowadays colorist use 3 or more to make it look “realistic” which ruins the art

>>5196590
Jack Cole was so good. I came across some of his earlier cartoon stuff like this (even though his Plastic Man stuff was cartoony as well).
Ah, when cartoonists weren't afraid to be cartoony (and embraced the term cartoonist).

Recently read Weapon X by Barry Windsor-Smith, who is also the original artist for Conan #1 but was replaced by Buscema

>>5199373
I like the blue for the snow here. Makes me think of Calvin and Hobbes

>>5199373
Excellent figurework, there’s real mass to Wolverine here. One of the best things Marvel ever published in my opinion

>>5199373
Cartoonist Kayfabe recently did a video on his early Conan work. Amazing how much he evolved, from a Kirby-Ditko styled journeyman to his later strong, distinctive style.

>>5199376
Wow, that's crazy. Looks like a Wolverine/C&H crossover, just needs Hobbes on a sled in the background.

>>5199438
So many of those great photographic illustrators started out aping Kirby. Walt Simonson and John Byrne come to mind

>>5199438
Love those guys’ videos. Just watched the most recent one on the last 1963 issue, they turned me on to a lot of good stuff when I got back into reading comics

Time to unload some Bernie Wrightson

>>5201236
I've posted Wrightson's Frankenstein on enough threads—most have seen it—so let me post here a page from his earlier work that was totally not Frankenstein ... The Muck Monster.

>>5201248
Vampirella, hot doga

>>5201253
I always find it interesting to see artists work in genres they're not known for. Here's a sci-fi pieced by a master of horror.

>>5201253
I always find it interesting to see artists work in genres they're not known for. Here's a sci-fi piece by a master of horror.

>>5201261
... but then there's all that horror ...

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>>5201269
Despite the darkness there is always that element of unabashed cartooniness—I find as much Jack Davis as Frazetta in much of his work.

>>5201277
He was also good at a striking composition.

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>>5199380
>One of the best things Marvel ever published in my opinion
Agreed, one of my favorite comics of all time. Should have been adapted 1:1 for a movie, but Hollywood is run by retards

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What kind of paint do you suppose was used for the colors?

>>5180488
That artist is kind of terrible. Like some stylistic spawn of Bruno Premiani that somehow came out uncanny.

>>5202119
>What kind of paint do you suppose was used for the colors?
I would guess gouache.

>>5186429
I really like Sheldon Vella. Too bad he has to spend all his time behind the scenes on tv shows these days because i really like his creator own stuff. The last comic he did was actually some cape stuff.

>>5202405
Very manga influenced, but I like it.
One of my current faves is James Harren, who is also influenced by manga and I also see a big Kirby influence there.
Despite being a big classic American comics fan, I'm not averse to the big manga influence on current western creators. It's obviously where the energy is, but I find it best when infused with western influences, otherwise it descends into trite weebery.

Are internet illustrators allowed here or is this thread just for comics with the occasional modern capeshit artist? One I presonally enjoy regarding sci-fi designs is Arne

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>>5202429
>Very manga influenced, but I like it.
Well that story was a take on the Japanese television version of Spider-man. Aside from Jamie Hewlett i can't really nail down Vella's influences. I know he's pals with James Stokoe and i can see some similarities between there work.

>>5202461
*their
I am retard

What are some books like Marvelocity: the comic art of ALex ross? Basically comic artists art books?

>>5202461
oh yeah! Stokoe!

>>5202444
>Are internet illustrators allowed here
not the originator, but I was on the original thread—the proposal was pretty expansive and included illustration, comics, and animation, as long as the creators are western.

I've got some anime influence, but would my art still be considered Western style if you saw it out of context?

>>5202869
judging from this pic I would definitely say western. something about it reminds me of 70s underground work (maybe it's the hatching). looks cool btw.

>>5202444
The OP clearly says:
>Post western from any era that you like or that inspires you; be from magazine, newspaper or book illustrations, comics and cartoons or any other source
Arne is good, I been following him from a while but his projects make no sense, concept art for stuff that'll never be made

>>5186429
>You guys like modern artists?
oh yeah, Eric Powell. I picked this up and it blew me away, best comic I read in a while.
He's heavily influenced by the classics (a lot of Eisner and EC in his work) but what he's doing is innovative enough not to be just 'retro.'

>>5171392
Reading Savage Dragon Archives, a lot of comics live and die by their colouring.

What does /ic/ think of Alex Ross's art?

What about Jack Kirby art?

>>5204728
I LOVE KIRBY! The weirder and more abstract his work became the more I love it.
And he was very good at color. Whenever looking for color inspo I seek out the work he colored himself (pretty sure he used color inks, like in the attached pic).

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here's the piece he's coloring above.

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cosmic football

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2001: A Space Odyssey, Kirby style

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Kirby's collages are also great, a lesson to never stop experimenting as an artist.

Awesome thread. Thanks bros.

I have an odd problem
I want to use this old color chart but the colors are not a single solid shape that I can eyedrop, on each square there are many different pixels of different color dithering to make the color that I want
How can I approximate the colors here?

>>5206162
Other colors charts I have have the same issue, seems they were all digitized by a person who didn't know what they were doing and they have been rolling online for a while

>>5206164
Have more just because it's relevant to the thread

>>5206166
I do not want to copy the cmyk formulas of these charts, I wanted to eyedrop some colors from old yellowed sources so I could end up with classic muted colors like comics printed in newsprint

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Here's a link to ColorLab for Procreate, if you want to emulate a retro comic style with benday dots and all then this'll be exciting.
The pic to the right is the color chart for it.

https://mega.nz/folder/PshhBSoS#FceqRSy9BA8s0-bRwWdlFg/folder/X4phwAAb

>>5206193
I don't use procreate but this shit looks dope

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These are absolutely fantastic! Thanks for posting the kings amazing art!

>>5204696
that isn't Alex Ross, but Ross' work was part of what got me back into art and comics

>>5204728
probably my favorite comic artist. His Fantastic Four is my favorite run of American comics ever, and I love New Gods and Captain Victory as well

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>>5206892
>that isn't Alex Ross
Really? Sorry then, thanks for your reply anyway.

>>5206162
Here's some other color charts for help?
There's some jpeg compression that's annoying but there's no stupid gif dithering.
This one is kind of Silver Age.

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And here. Later than the first one, I think.

>>5206162
And a more vivid but still slightly yellowed version of chart 2.

I've used one of these palettes recently for a Tales from the Crypt cover styled request, it was the first time after years that I had actually fun drawing something

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These will have to do but I have to look experiment more with the ones I have and these ones
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Show me the request

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Show us.

>>5169719
all time best is conan