/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5175423
scan for us anon
I need that asian bones

>>5175436

Share with us boi

>>5175436

>>5175423
Is it good? I was thinking about getting it. Worth it or no?

>>5175423
does it ship outside of US & Canada?

did our anatomy change in the last 5 decades, should i update my books?

Anyone got a pdf of the en version?

>>5175495
as far as I know it does not exist, it needs to be scanned

>>5175473
yeah everybody's fucking fat as shit now and men have wide hips

>>5175423
unironically whats the point of publishing an anatomy book in 2021?

>>5175423
I bet this will be collecting dust on a shelf by the next week

Just buy Proko anatomy

>>5175436

>>5176008
that's hot oh i'm coming hot doga whoops!

>>5175467
I wanted to order it but they didn't ship to the world.

>>5175436

>>5175454
It's worth it. I've been reading through it today and it is all the anatomy you'd need to know for drawing as far as I can tell. While you could probably find the basic information scattered across multiple other books, this one has it all in one place and more. It's very information dense and has better presentation it better than other books on the subject that I've seen.
>>5175473
>>5176020
It's true that our anatomy has not changed in the past several decades, if not centuries. But just like two historians can look at the same batch of letters written centuries ago and come to different conclusions about the people that wrote them, two different artists can look at the human body and think of unique ways to present the information to their audience based off their individual experiences as artists. Inevitably, some ways of presentation will be better than others and some methods will be easier for the reader to understand.
Methods of teaching and understanding do improve over time even if the basic information is still the same. So while there is something to be said for digging into tried and true guides from the past, I feel like modern teachers have the edge because not only did they study the masters they also bring new information, perspectives, and methods to the table in addition to that background. Yes they stand on the shoulders of giants, but because of that they see farther. And I feel like this is a book that sees farther.
>>5176036
And it'll look damn good there too. I'm happy with this purchase.
>>5176059
Proko is great and another example of a modern teacher that builds off what the masters have done. But I think a book is more convenient for many reasons, especially for quick reference. Sure you can dig around a bunch of video files and folders when you're in a pinch, but isn't it more convenient just to grab a book, go to the table of contents, and flip to the right page?

>>5176008
>men have wide hips

>>5176339
Post some of your drawings

>>5176339
Stonehouse pls be less obvious

>>5176352
Considering I just got the book today, I think it'd make more sense for me to do a before and after after I've studied from the book for several months.
Seriously, my anatomy isn't that great... hence why I bought an anatomy book. So I plan to do an update.

>>5176339

Whats your favorite chapter in the book?

Does the book go over ways to practice outside the text or give you assignments to complete?

>>5176379
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>>5175423
Still in the fucking mail aaaaa

>>5175423
shill warning but
im really loving this book so far, it presents itself and metaphysical topics in a very down to earth way. It doesn't feel like a chore to read like a lot of art books i've read through

>>5176382
Probably the last chapter where he brings everything together. There's several great examples where he shows people posing and then shows the what the muscles look like underneath, and then a couple more where he shows the skeleton and then gradually adds muscles to it with each successive image.

>>5176382
>>5176708
>>5176660
Scan it and post the pdf otherwise this thread is a literal advertisement

>>5176339
Thank you for the response, I appreciate you sharing your opinion on it.

>>5176708

That sounds pretty cool. Thanks for your response.

OP can you post some cool pages photos, pages that you like. Also please take a couple of the muscles of the upper leg, i'm studying it now, want to see how author goes there.

>>5176020
It's not any different than a medical anatomy or artist's anatomy book in terms of content, but the way the author lays out a group of muscle by layers helps think about it in 3D rather than just saying "these muscles go together" he also gives a pretty easy to digest breakdown of how muscles, ligaments, and tendons work together on the skeleton, where they attach, how they attach, etc.

It's like a bridge between medical usage and artistic needs for gross anatomy.

Just got mine in the mail, and it's dense af, around 600 pages.

>>5178270
So it's the same as Uldis Zarins' Anatomy for Sculptors...

What is the absolute best anatomy book to purchase then?

>>5178270
anatomy books are my guilty pleasure. I might buy it, even though I have everything else already

FUCKING POST SCANS

>>5178293
If you're only going to get one I'd get Morpho. It's classic french-ecorche. Absolutely realistic anatomy in the round, flayed down to the bone. But, if you can afford it, Proko anatomy is probably better because it has 3d renders of bones and its laid out completely as a course. Marshall does some of the videos where you have to make the bones and joints into geometric cylinders and cubes, so thats nice too. Bammes is also really great, as is Bridgman

>>5175423
I mean koreans aren't really known for their anatomy since most industry artists use cg

idk how this book should be better than any other similar book

>>5178548
Because this one is NEW and UNSCANNED and it holds all the secrets the PROS don’t want YOU to know. So if you want to learn anatomy THIS is the way to go for 3 easy payments of 99.99!

>Terms and conditions apply. Once the book gets scanned disregard all information in it as false and check our website for a new revision

>>5178270
Scott Eaton does all that plus he's a chad so I see no need to buy this new book

I own the newest printing of Dynamic Bible and am awaiting the arrival of Space Drawing by Dong Ho Kim. I should have bought Stonehouse's anatomy book as well. Update us on your progress, OP!

>>5178573
Eaton is so fuckin based I like that it feels like your m8 explaining something to you. Not some dry old guy or someone that gets a boner trying to flex terminology

>>5178587
>that part in the facial anatomy course where he draws a russian dancer over the guy's nose

>>5175423
>Little did OP know, this was just another anatomy book like the 1000s before it

>>5178573
>Scott Eaton does all that plus he's a chad
Scott gives good material but he is a cuck unfortunately, not a chad. You can see his social activity to confirm

>>5178745
>inb4 i check and see hes said trans rights and is thus a non based and redpilled individual like us 4channelers

>>5175423
Is this the edition with the updated translation.

>>5178770
>he is thus a non based and redpilled individual like us 4channelers

>>5175423
oh wow, fresh take on unchanging anatomy #6,438,548.
next book to trend: How to breathe by Ching Cho

I didn't realize /ic/ would be this hostile to a new anatomy book

>>5178861
The way you keep shilling, no wonder people hate it.

>>5178857
b-but japanese bones are different

>>5178861
>>5178868
/ic/ is hostile to any form of learning, so books are a big no no

>>5178877
That book isnt japanese retard

>>5178861

Its angry 3rd worlders who are pissed that you wont post scans for free. You shoulda been here for the chimp-outs over the video threads. Real eye-openers, those.

>>5178901
japanese book, korean book, same shit
just replace the little girls with dragons and wrinkly old men and mike johnson from new jersey won't be able to tell the difference

>>5175454
no, it's full of garbage >>5148531

I will be scanning it when it arrives later this month.

>>5179060
Based and inevitable

>>5175423
Meeeee!!!! Best book ever

>>5175423
I'm getting mines tomorrow, hyped.

SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN SCAN

>>5175436

>>5175423
>know all the anatomy in the universe
>draw generic anime/conceptart

why are chinks like this

>>5179498
cause they made it and you're not going to

>>5179498
yes, keep looking for ways to feel good about yourself

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>>5178573
Just make the scan bro, oh God I need those SCANS OH GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY IM GOING TO IM IM GUNNA I CANT HOLD IT IM GUNNA SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

there's already a pdf scan of this book

>>5179573
Not in engrish

>>5179505
>unironically the most interesting thing in that painting is the sign
Ah yes, great anatomy in the tummy area!

>>5179527
hot scanna whoops

You have to take these things for what they're worth to you. It isn't the final answer on anatomy that it's occasionally being billed as, hardly. But it also has some nice, elucidating illustrations in it. I've already studied the Chinese upload quite a bit and learned useful information from it. But I'm also still looking at other anatomy books and photos of real people constantly. This is an intro or supplement to anatomy, but a solid one.

>>5176124
I'm glad to see you already doing work.

God i'm gonna coom
asian cuties make me so horny

Lol my copy just came in today. I was so impressed by it that I went back to the site and ordered the other two books as well. They shipped yesterday and should be here before the start of next week. I'm most curious about the Peter Han bible since it's distinct from the first one and no scans of it exist online. Should be cool.

I don't have a book scanner nor will I waste hours of my life taking shitty photos of a 600+ page anatomy tome to get nothing in return. I also own a dozen other Japanese animu drawing books people beg for scans of but you won't be getting them from me lol. Even if I could, I doubt my contribution would be appreciated given how catty you crabs are.

The people itt saying the book isn't worth it or is shit are sour grapes. It's just another fucking tool, not the magic secret to having perfect anatomy. Stop seething over a book and get back to drawing.

Does the official Superani US ship internationally? They say yes, but then proceed to say that they ship to US and Canada. Has anyone successfully ordered from them outside of North America?

>>5179804
pyw begshitter

Reminder that if you scan or download an use a scan of the book someone put a lot of time and work into making, you have no reason to bitch about people wanting you to give them art for free. You are literally nigger-tier.

>>5180170

Look at liberdistri.com, they ship to yurop

>>5179804
Understandable, but not very based

>>5175436

>>5179509
You can find it in e-hentai

>>5180201
A bloobloobloo baby is seething

>Please understand that there may be some misunderstandings or difficulties when reading some of the author’s personal thoughts and examples that he uses. We understand that this stems from a cultural difference between the author, who is Korean, and a wider variety of readers’ backgrounds. We promise that these parts will be reviewed and appropriately edited in the new edition, along with any translation errors.

What kind of publisher does this? It sounds so unprofessional

>>5180231
but not in english, anon-kun

>>5180201
YAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHH A POIRATES LOIFE FER ME LAD

>>5180201
>puts pirate on the cover
>”aw geez come on piratechads please don’t take my book AGAIN”

>>5175423
Does it explain the anatomy of young girls and boys? Might buy if so.

>>5180280
Cringe

>>5180201
4chan loves socialism anon-kun

>>5180266

>Ugh why do normies always want art for free? It takes years to hone my craft and hours or days to create and finish a piece. I deserve to be paid.
>Lemme just pirate this art book lol

>>5180280
I would like to know this but unironically

>>5180331
because it's either made on a piece of paper or digital, and professionals make highly skilled drawing seem easy to do.
I never saw normies thinking an sculpture is cheap

>>5180331
>I want them to keep making movies
>lemme get that stream link tho

Nigga they still make money. The people that pirate aren’t the people who would have bought the book anyway. If someone wants it they’ll still buy it

the amount of cope in this thread
stop the mental gymnastics and say that you don't really care like real pirates would

>>5180202
Hi, I saw that I was just wondering if I could order it from the official website. But ta anyway.

>>5180331
you can’t paywall anatomy, it’s immoral and untenable and artificially propped up by the state’s monopoly on corpses
DEATH TO ACADEMIA
FREEDOM FOR KNOWLEDGE

>>5180331
>drawing for money
>like some sort of prostitute
pathetic

>>5180513
this is a myth, I solicited dozens of prostitutes for drawings and they all walked away and started pointing at me while talking to various black dudes in pink and purple overcoats, wide brimmed hats and gold canes

>>5180513
or be like a broken whore doing it for free

>>5180524
simpin ain’t easy

>>5180273
Thats satire though, becasue people already stole the album from leaks before it came out so they decided to call it that. Saying that they actually want you to steal the album is like saying that they're pro war becasue of the song "war?" Or that they're pro religious extremism becasue of the song "suite-pee"

>>5181012
jeezus it must suck being autistic. That was clearly a joke comment you sperg

>>5180181
Post yours first poorfag.

Reporting in ;^)

>>5175423
its trash, I deleted it
not even worth looking at like 99% of art books

I seriously hope nobody ever scans this just so I could see these spics malding in salt

>>5184069
alarming,astonishing,awe-inspiring,awful,beautiful,breathtaking,dreadful,fearsome,formidable,frightening,horrible,horrifying,imposing,impressive,intimidating,magnificent,overwhelming,shocking,stunning,terrible,terrifying,wonderful,wondrous,daunting,exalted,fearful,frantic,grand,hairy,majestic,mean,mind-blowing,moving,nervous,real gone,something else,striking,stupefying

I hope someone scans it to make richfags seethe

>>5184277
it's already scanned, it's a really shit book hence people stopped talking about

>>5184282
Could you tell me where it is? I'd like to check it out for myself

With this kind of thread replies, apparently you can paywall anatomy fucking communist seething lmao

>>5184361
That retard is talking about the jap version, the english version hasn't been scanned yet.

>tfw i already had and translated the book from Korean a year ago.

>>5184545
Based. I translated a couple of pages when it was first uploaded as well. Didn't finish it as a lot of it was similar to other books, just with more humor added.

>>5184364
Keep posting, mr.Shill. Maybe then your funny book will sell.

>>5185567
take your meds

God is her book plastic surgery face disgusting

>>5175423
not me, am poor

>>5180528
hey you are not black, stop pimpin'

So i flipped through it.
Tons of useless padding, competent illustration, pacing designed for babies.

I guess if you're an animetard who needs to have a giggle every few pages, this is great. It's absolutely mediocre anatomy book in the sea of competent anatomy books.

>>5175436

>>5186603
I'll judge it when I see it

>>5186603
that's what i said in >>5178997, everyone stopped talking about it after the original was uploaded. but we get the poor people on here telling us we should be thankful the gods have bestowed their secret art knowledge and we're just crabs.

>stonehouse is filled with fluff that's never going to be useful to you. it's cool to have some of these drawings but i find them rather useless and crowded by extraneous drawings, especially when so much of it is internal structure you're never going to draw.
>we already have amazing books in english you could be learning from. i'm not against learning from any culture's books but don't buy into the hype they get on this board from fetishization. these authors likely learned from the western masters and are regurgitating what they learned to their audience. check out bridgman, bammes, morpho, richer, peck's atlas of anatomy, anatomy for sculptors, goldfinger anatomy, etc. and you'll no doubt see the influence. a lot of people praise shit on here because they're not good and think a resource they don't have will be a shortcut to "making it".

This is the only anatomy book you will ever need.

>>5186639
>bridgman, bammes, morpho, richer, peck's atlas of anatomy, anatomy for sculptors, goldfinger anatomy
I've extensively read all except Richer and Peck. Bammes is okay but way too up his own ass in theory. It may be the English translation but it's complete fucking obscurantist gobbledygook. He relies a lot of student and classical/master drawings for some reason and his "architectural" approach while useful in some cases, isn't in others. I like his knee conceptions.
Bridgman is good but he's doing an entirely different thing, his drawings are also rough and not always easy to interpret. Morpho's book on fat is great, don't care so much for his scribbly anatomy sketches though. Goldfinger is good for basics as well as origins and insertions but he's also very wordy and more suited to the dry facts of art anatomy.

Each of these resources have pros and cons, each has something to offer. Why is it always so extreme with this board? Either a resource is divinely sent from the art gods or it's complete trash not even suitable for wiping one's ass.
The book does have a lot of padding though. I'm not sure that you need to be able to read it beyond knowing the muscle names, which you can just google.

>>5186711
lmao literally any anatomy book but packaged for coomers with the ecorches in dainty poses
holy shit goddamn it I fucking hate you all

>>5186759
Name them then, because none of the examples you gave do this. Maybe I've been sleeping on Peck or Richer? Be useful or is that expecting too much of you

>>5186603
>useless padding
And andrew loomis books has TONS of that yet every person here shills it. Seriously >>5186659 now this is a proper book

>>5186763
>Be useful
I'm not spoonfeeding a bunch of cumbrains.

>>5186711
my point was that we already have great resources people can learn from now that people keep putting off. i don't really read the words in books, i copy the pictures, so i don't know or care what bammes has to say. i learned the names and mechanics of anatomy from scott eaton, i learned to draw things from books and copies. people on here shouldn't treat one anatomy book as the truth, they should build their own feel based on what they like from all the sources available. you might not like how someone does something but you can still learn from it or move on to something else. if none of them stick then the problem is more with that person and their way of studying. i'm also sick of the asian jeans meme that's been forced here lately, especially when you can directly trace back anatomy to some of the books mentioned and other anatomy books.

i'm not the other post.

>>5186767
Anatomy for Sculptors is not a book for learning how to draw or paint anatomy. It's a reference for 3D artists or 2D artists that already know their anatomy.

I agree on all that. Resource hoarding and hunting, trying to find the perfect learning materials rather than just learning is a big problem here. Almost anything not terrible will do for a start. Stonehouse is just another resource that should neither be over or undervalued.

>>5186785
for
>>5186772

>>5186603
t. poor spicfag

Honestly I just want a physical anatomy book even though I already have digital copies of other ebooks hence why I'll be getting the stonehouse

>>5175423
Is it in English?

>>5178585
> Dynamic Bible
> 84 pages of fish drawings and monkeys
> £35
I am laffin

>>5184006
Did yours come from the november preorder?
Im considering it now since the next release is May.

>>5186827
>May
kek wtf is that the one from liberdistri? Last I checked they're supposed to release the second batch it on March I wonder why they keep moving it

>>5186819
It's still a fun thing to have. 35 dollars isn't a lot of money, poorfag.

>>5186860
With all the monkeys in the book, you'll be excellent at doing self portraits!
>>5186858
Yes it is. Supply issues maybe?

>>5186858

I waited for the revised and new edition of a book on painting last year for eight months. Ordered it in May, got it at the end of December, the release date kept being moved.

Henlo sirs please to be scannings thanking you

>>5187234
Ha, Goteeeeeeem

>>5180415
This literally isn't true. I've bought games I otherwise would have pirated because they took too long to get cracked. I've went to see movies that only had terrible quality Korean cam uploads full of ching chong runes and ads when I wouldn't have if there was a decent copy to pirate. There IS a class of pirate who will literally never buy, but there are also those like me who will buy if it's overwhelmingly more convenient. If a scan of this book isn't made, there do exist people who would buy it instead.

>/ic/ bitches about people stealing art or not wanting to pay for it
>also beg for people to upload scans of a book somebody put months of their life into
Lol

>>5180512
It's not just anatomy that is paywalled. It is this particular person's interpretation and methodology to understanding that anatomy. If it was 'hurr paywalling anatomy' alone then you could just open hundreds of free resources of anatomical figures online.

>>5187312
>steal everything you can and give nothing back, fuck 1 2
>leonardo da Vinci

>>5187272
post vagene

>>5187234
>>5186858
good thing I proxy bought the books from the superani site instead

>>5186767
If anything i would call Loomis very dry, and even then, nobody says Loomis is an anatomy bible.

>>5187312
based watch the cope happening

>>5187234
Yeah too bad it's not full of diagrams of clowns. Then I could draw you. Enjoy not getting things for free.

>>5187696
your a bit late he already schooled you and left

>>5187794
Apparently not, considering you just replied.

Well, anon? Will you do it? Will you be the first to steal fire from the gods and share it with the mortals?

>>5178293
Paul Richers Aristic Anatomy and Elliot Goldfingers book. Also Bammes purple book is really cool

I'm amused that even random facebook teens in art groups are telling others to go to 4chan and beg for this south korean anatomy book lmao

>>5175436
its 600 pages

I'll drop scans once I buy it
It won't be soon, though

>>5188461
It’s literally being scanned as we speak

>>5188325
Scans sent :^)

>>5175423
it it useful for learning the basics of anatomy
i didnt find hamptons book very helpful desu

>>5175423
>Quadriceps femoris m 497
>Gastrocnemius m. 500
Oh. So: an atlas of body parts ideal Asian women don’t have.

Right?

How useful.

>>5186775
Just say you're dumb and need spoon feeding

>>5175436
Uhm guise... yiu are aware that there is already a scan in the mega?

>>5179804
>>5179509
>>5179348
>>5178904
>>5175423
>>5175436
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>>5175495
It's here you idiots
https://mega.nz/folder/3IsEQA7Q#NMVYBUtPXJpRyrYuUz1NrA/folder/fAd1yAoQ

>>5189804
Of the English version?
And do you mean the mega that got shut down AGAIN or some different mega?

>>5179804
>I also own a dozen other Japanese animu drawing books people beg for scans of
out of curiosity what are the names of the books that are sought after?

omg da secret asian technique that'll make me a pro :O

>>5189815
>you idiots
Ha! Why was I such a fool and had not deducted such an obvious private key!?

>>5188325
:o i finally get the metaphor

>>5189869
whatever, it's in the mega.

>>5189895
sorry not korean :^)

>>5189898
well, too bad for you. The only thing worth it about anatomy books are the pictures in case you didn't know.

OP stop bumping this stupid ass thread
this book is literally the same as every other anatomy book that is in the Artbook threads
post your fucking work or fuck off

>>5189898
>not speaking every language
>in the year 2021
Throwback.

>>5189900
painted this for you bro
should be perfect at drawing women now only the pics matter right?

>>5189916
sick burn, bro

>>5189815
I made a screenshot of your precious collection. For posterity. (Only one folder.) Makes me wonder how you'd react if I sneaked into your house and smashed your hard drives, and somehow also magically deleted all cloud backups of your collection.

>>5190376
huh

>>5190410
Would you cry or would you laugh?

>>5190430
It would be very painful

>>5175423
Mr. Seok, please stop advertising the book

>>5191346
LOL. Good answer.

>>5191346
You're a big guy…

>>5191435
for you....

>>5190376
the fuck is your problem

Anyone find this book doesn't do anything for them?
It's not a bad book, and the author's clearly very knowledgeable, but something about the illustrations and style didn't convey the information as effectively as say, Michael Hampton's book.
Though perhaps it'll 'click' more when I'm at a higher level.

>>5191646
I should add Anatomy for Sculptors as well for conveying information better imo

>>5191646
We know its you, Micheal.

>shit fluff book that is more to promote the artist's drawing than to actually educate
the absolute state of /ic/ actually thinking that more than a select few books are worth looking at
i would say that these books are fine to copy but i don't get why these artists don't just make a book with their illustrations instead of pretending like they give a shit about teaching like 99% of youtube artists do
there's nothing that makes me seethe more than a "how to draw an eye tutorial"
this kind of shit made me hate artists

mega . nz/file/XdFUjT6b#qvgyP_Lq7lVlq5HkLscNRFXTQQpvNPjwhlu1z1gzs94

>>5192199
I only downloaded it to see the drawings of korean thots desu

>>5192205
Fake drawings of non-existing Korean thots looking like Western thots. Real Korean thots don't have quadriceps femoris and gastrocnemius. Pic related is best anatomy guide to drawing Korean thots.

Wait… what is "thots"?

>>5192257
That's a shame I love me a gastrocnemius.
Is the face of the chick in OP something natural at least or is that a plastic surgery look?

>>5192265
Korean women raised in America do look like this. These Korean women also have big gastrocnemii.

>>5192290
Send Korean woman made in USA please
don't forget the pirate outfit

>>5192257
You gotta get Korean women from the south of the country. I'm talking Busan, Daegu, Ulsan, etc.

They got muscular lower halves from walking up and down the mountains they live on.

Lots of great calves and thighs in that region.

>>5189815
cool but i bought mine because it's in english

>>5190376
But i would still have a copy on my hard drive. And

>>5175423
I got mine, it's pretty great so far.
>>5175454
>Is it good?
Yes
>>5178645
It's easier to read and clearer than all those ancient tomes that get shilled, or the ones written by engineer autists who have trouble communicating any single coherent expression of thought.
>>5186603
Cope

>>5193581
Would it help a beginner do simple full body poses anon?

>>5193754
yeah it's actually made so beginners can grasp it easier. i hate reading huge walls of texts so this guy's approach is very digestible and a godsend, or i'd be bored to death

>>5193765
Thanks a ton.
I have Loomis' and Hamptons figure drawing books but there a bit too complicated for me.

>>5193773
np, same exact boat i was in

>>5191646
illustration and style huh? seems like you are not ready yet.

>>5193581
How about learning hands. Will it help?

>>5193765
>>5193581
So anatomy for mongoloids, cool.
Hope you learn something.

>>5193520
I believe you. As long as they don't get brainwashed by K-pop and try to "fix" it. K-pop is the mind cancer.

I'm beginning to wonder though whether K-pop is really the disease or a symptom… I inspected the communist propaganda and I discovered many instances of glorification of female strength in Chinese art but none in North Korean art. Even though calf hypetrophy is anatomically more characteristic for Koreans than for the Chinese.

>>5193581
>Clavicle
>Sternum
>pointing to neck muscles
Wut?

>>5195431
Those drawings are holographic. You can't see it on flat picture. But if you look at the actual book page from the right angle, the lines align correctly.

>>5195449
oh dope.
>>5193581
Post a few more guy? Just wanna get an idea of if its worth it.

>>5195431
Isn't it referring to the attachments (round and flat) of the Sternocleidomastoid?

>>5194980
yeah it goes through everything in depth

>>5195114
t. Third worlder poorfag