/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Week 1 of month 6 and nothing, I SHOULD be way better

>>5187903
Bro don't do this again

I'm not breaking any rules this time, if you delete the thread...

/beg/ told me to rotate the left one in my mind and draw it but i cant, ive got the angle and the gesture but I cant draw it, even did some loomis mannequins but nope, I failed, it didnt even happen

I should be better yet Im just wasting my time
No artist who began as shit can ever become good

It's impossible, why can't I improve? I'm the worst artist on /beg/ and /ic/ I can't improve

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>>5187909
remember to sage and not respond to Xmonth fail fag. Don't feed the troll.

>>5187913
Seething
TELL ME HOW TO IMPROVE OR WHY I CANT

Failure after failure
No improvement
TALENTLESS

Should I quit and why?

5 FUCKING MONTHS WASTED

the red FIGure in question

You have schizophrenia. If you took some anti psychotics owned got a lobotomy, all would be well

>>5187903
Do you want to know what makes you unable to improve? Do you really really want to know?

This. This thread. THIS is what makes you unable to improve. Drawing is a mental activity. It depends heavily upon your state of mind. You cannot keep mercilessly bashing yourself and expect it to not take a toll on you. Your drawing and your progress WILL be impaired by this.

I know it's hard anon, but you have to stop. I will not even tell you that you have improved, because I know you will not listen. You simply HAVE to stop. Your struggle is not against the material, but against your own mind. Stopping this vicious cycle is more important for you right now than watching 10000 hours of Vilppu.

>>5187974
NO TELL ME THIS PERSON IN /BEG/
IS BETTER THAN ME ONE MONTH IN
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>>5187903
This is really really good. Stop beating yourself up, dont listen to the guy above me, he knows nothing about you and is trying to crab you

>>5187979
Stop anon. Turn off your computer and breathe. Think deeply into yourself. Who are you really? Why do you care so much? What do you really want?

>>5187979
They're very good while you have the wrong genes, sorry! You just can't draw!

>>5187990
Please don't troll this guy, this is serious. If you don't want to help just hide this thread and go on.

>>5187991
It's not serious because it's only genes! I've given him the run down on his disabilities!!

>>5187982
Its not
its a 3 months drawing done in 5 months time
PATHETIC

>>5187990
Fucking based. I'm sick of this faggot and his retarded threads. If he hates himself and his art so much he should just fucking quit.

>>5187991
MAYBE HES RIGHT IVE BEEN TRYING SO HARD AND PEOPLE
/BEG/ TOLD ME TO QUIT
WEEKS AGO
NO RESOURCES ARE WORKING
ILL GO BACK TO CODING

>>5187999
Anon this is NOT about drawing anymore. This is about your mental health. You're spiraling, please turn off your computer and calm down. Think very hard about exactly WHY you care so much. What happened in your life that makes you want to improve so badly?

copying ]\\

>>5188013
I WANT TO DRAW AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHZAHA\H I WANT TO DRAW LIKE MY HEROES I NEED TO DRAW MY CHARACTERS MY COMIC AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAH

>>5188012
I am right! Now listen to me anon and say you have the wrong genes! 6 months!!

>>5188018
This. Hes right

SOMEONE HELP ME
AHAHAH I NEED TO IMPROVE ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY

>>5188067
Your genes are all wrong to be good anon I'm sorry!

>>5188070
anon, he hates it when people treat us like that please stop he wants to eat you and everyone else like you, he hates vilppu for lying to us

>>5188073
I don't care, I've seen him suffer here for 6 months! I'm here to help!

>>5188017
But why does it have to be so urgent? Do you have any sort of time pressure on your head? Why can't your comic wait until you're comfortable with your skills?

>>5188083
YES I NEED TO IMPROVE NOW BECAUSE THERES A TIME LIMIT ON MY "MISSION" IF WE ARE UNABLE TO REACH THAT MISSION BY A CERTAIN DATE THEN ITS OVER FOR ME NOT FOR US BUT FOR ME, ILL BE A FAILURE THAT TOOK AWAY VALUABLE ENERGY AND TIME

>>5188086
What kind of time limit it is? Is it something real (like you will have to get a job or something), or something that you set for yourself?

>>5187913
Wait, but what if this Xmonth fail fag actually keeps drawing while ranting. He may actually be good one day.

>>5187903
why so many retards think they can get good at drawing in just a few months? Maybe drawing seems like something easy from the outside, unlike music or sports?

>>5188096
Lies because Im not improving
>>5188092
TELL ME HOW TO IMPROVE I NEED RESOURCES ANON I CANTR DRAW FROM IMAGINATION

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>>5188105
That doesn't answer my question. You need to answer my question. What kind of time limit is it? And why does it scare you so much?

>>5188104
See this
>>5187979
hes better than me one month in
explain that

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>>5187957
Pyw

>>5188096
You know as well as I do you can't get better without drawing. And schizo anon doesn't draw, he just flailes around screaming all day.

>>5188112
All the drawings I posted on this thread, well MOST are from either yesterday or today
>>5188109
pLEASE i CANT EXPLAIN but I need it and i need to improve, time is time
are you going to tell me how
Ive been given many resources some were /beg/ traps and others dont work on me but this is
NOTHING IS WORKING

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>>5188117
You're not improving because of your bad genes!!

>>5188117
Time is time indeed - everyone is scared of wasting it to some extent. But you are not just scared, you are for some reason absolutely utterly terrified to the point of incapacitation. This is not normal. You need to work on it. Be more brave - strive to act in the face of this fear.

Stop asking for resources. Your mind is fixated on resources, but they will NOT help you. This is not about drawing anymore. This is about your mental health. Your mental problems will destroy not only your drawing progress but your entire life if left unchecked. I recommend breathing meditation and introspection (when you're feeling a bit better) for starters. This is more important than any "resources" you may ask for.

I'm going to sleep now. I wish you all the best anon.

>>5188144
No don't explain it to him anymore! His genes wont allow him go understand! This is his 15th thread this week!

>>5188144
I cant meditate anon
my internal dialogue is not my own, its beena hijacked, its someone else so thats why i use my own channel, thinking in sounds
Please anon I BEG YOU i dont want to fail i want to make my comic and there is artstyle, a template made of my heroes, if mixed right, i know people could love it
but i cant help me anon
im still rational if this keeps up then i already know, ill suddenly wake up to an entire day gone and many posts like this that are not even me please help me

>>5187903
KILL YOURSELF TO INSTANTLY IMPROVE RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT UR MOM DID DRUGS WHILE IMPREGNATED THATS WHY

>>5188150
Your genes will only produce failure! Listen to me well!

>>5188150
Meds

>>5188150
you have schizophrenia, no doubt. take meds for it and get off 4chan forever, this place is hell for people with schizophrenia

Hello printer-chan, time to go back to basics like drawing cubes and cylinders. Enough copying tits on paper, do some actual learning exercises.

>>5188159
Not schizophrenia as far as I know.
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>>5188160
That image? You were the ones they were crying about on /beg/? They think you're being honest with your experience, I don't believe you myself but I feel obliged to ask, what seems to be their problem? I've been trying to get them to quit drawing, I believe it's a waste.

>>5188160
Im back anonb please tell me is there hope I need to know I dont want to be printer chan I want to make a cool comic a game, I need to draw LIKE MY HEROES i want to be a PRO
HOW CAN I?

>>5188326
Re-roll your genes anon! You have the wrong genes to make good artwork!

>>5188359
maybe youre right...
>>5188184
I dont want to quit, I dont want us to quit and I know Im taking our time, Im wasting our time by failing but not even I have faith in myself, why would you? Youre me

schizophrenia, unironically
go see a doctor

>>5188414
how to improve? why cant i? should i pump myself full of LSD until my mind breaks and I get to go home again?

>>5188416
yeah, definitely.

This is all theoretical because we all improve at different rates but it's the best I could come up with that will actually work.

>Month 1
Focus on lines and shapes (Peter Han)
Learn to draw good circles and ellipses as well as different kinds of lines

>Month 2
Study Perspective (Marshall Vandruff)
Draw thousands of boxes and spheres and cylinders and shit

>Month 3
Study Gesture and Figure drawing (Vilppu)
Learn to get the essence of a pose down in just a few lines then learn to draw those box people that Vilppu does

By this point, you should be able to figure shit out yourself.
Watch a bunch of videos on drawing tips and take notes and shit during this entire time while also finding an artist that you like and copying their shit.

And that's my theoretical course. It's better than the bullshit that /ic/ fed me before that only made me hate drawing. At least I enjoy it now that I listen to my own judgement and question every little thing people say on here.

>>5188427
Lies, you just want me to waste time, check this thread and this thread >>>/vg/323614985
They told me I cant draw and should quit so theyre right
Im purging drawing from my braina

>>5187903
Lack of talent and/or asian genes

>>5188514
Statistics say you'll never make it, how do you cope?

Stop giving attention to this narcissist.

>>5187903
Sup janitor. How ya doin?

I should be better but I wasted 6 months because I dont have talent
>>5188621
I'm not a narcissist
>>5188635
wHAT?

>>5187979
looks like shit

>>5188638
Your genes are just really awful!!! You need to realize this! You will never be good!

>>5188012
what are you coding?

>>5188639
But compare that to my figure drawings
/beg/ asked me to rotate a drawing in my mind and I couldnt do it
>>5188640
HAHAHAH they called your art shit
>>5188643
why do you care huh? want to brag about your code huh? want to call me a talentless coder huh? fuck you buddy

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>>5187979
>Been drawing digital for a month.
Sounds like they've been drawing before then. You're overreacting, compare yourself to your old work. You're too obsessed with your unrealistic expectation progress you're probably not internalizing anything you're working on, making it take even longer. Apply yourself and focus.

The funny thing is, this guy is around my skill level and I've been drawing seriously(with intent on improving) for about 2 years now.
That would mean he is "more talented" than me. But I haven't given up yet.
This shit isn't going to happen over night or even in a year and its not supposed to.
Stop focusing on others and DRAW you fucking freak.
Heres some foot practice from earlier today when I realized that I am infact a filthy footfag.

>>5188728
not a diss at him since he's been going for less time but you are definitely better than him, keep at it

>>5188017
Think first principles anon. Why do you need to draw the comics? Drawing comics is much more than just knowing how to draw. Paneling, composition, pacing, writing etc. There's a reason why manu comics are made in teams and most of the best ones are. Look at one punch man, a very succesful webcomic and he draws about the same level as you do and MANY people argue that Murata's version is inferior even if the drawings are better. The webcomic has great pacing, comedic timing, worldbuilding and writing all the while the art itself is horrendous.

If it's a comic you want to create, then make comics. If you want brilliant art for it, get someone to draw it for you. If your script is good, you will be able to do that in some form.

If you keep making obstacles for yourself from just one aspect of the creation process you are doomed.

>>5188728
I recommend you look at Bridgman. He's amazing for basically any body part you're studying. You could use a few straight lines and planal knowledge of the foot

>>5188017
Think first principles anon. Why do you need to draw the comics? Drawing comics is much more than just knowing how to draw. Paneling, composition, pacing, writing etc. There's a reason why manu comics are made in teams and most of the best ones are. Look at one punch man, a very succesful webcomic and he draws about the same level as you do and MANY people argue that Murata's version is inferior even if the drawings are better. The webcomic has great pacing, comedic timing, worldbuilding and writing all the while the art itself is horrendous.

If it's a comic you want to create, then make comics. If you want brilliant art for it, get someone to draw it for you. If your script is good, you will be able to do that in some form.

If you keep making obstacles for yourself from just one aspect of the creation process you are doomed.

Sweetie, I recommend you do the following:
1. Make yourself a hot meal
2. Watch a few episodes of a good anime
3. Go to bed / take a nap

>Ahem-ahem.

This faggot is *possibly* a mod of this shithole. Very fragile though, handle with care. This faggot bans everyone who tries to deliver him the truth. Plus he gets away with immense amounts of screeching.

stop responding to this guy, he does this in the /beg/ thread too and used to tripfag
if you argue with him he just says he can't do it and if you give him advice he ignores it

https://boards.4chan.org/ic/thread/5175127#top
Everyone here is better than me in less time, talent is real baby and Ive got none
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>>5188768
Dont you think Inotice and suffer? Im the worst artist on /ic/ because I just SINT improve
>>5188770
EAT SHIT
>>5188784
Im traumatized, failure is a reminder of trauma
I just cant draw ill never be good at it
>>5188734
Ahh so this is what you think of me, yes hes better
EVERYONE IS, thats kind of the point

I want to draw but I cant I just cant be good at it
This is painful, unfair
>>5188772
And whats the truth? That im talentless I already know

>>5188791
Sorry man, I'm just worst than you in a longer period of time, you just cannot compete.

>>5188796
Lies, I'm pathetic, all ny life never was able to overcome something or so it goes, if im not good at it then I suck
Maybe we bith are parasites forcing ourseleves into art, maybe we should give up and do something else
https://boards.4chan.org/ic/thread/5175127#top
EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THAT THREAD IS BETTER THAN ME
EXPLAIN THAT EXFUCKINGPLAIN IT

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>>5187925
Yes you should quit, because you're an npc that doesn't have a mind's eye. You're soulless, anon, and so you should continue with you life without doing art for professional reasons, if it makes you feel good though, just continue, but to me it seems like your mind is being tortured by the way art reminds you of the absense of a soul in you.

>>5188804
Literally everyone on that thread has more time than you, also fun fact, I posted there and I'm among the very worse on the thread to boot.

>>5188806
If theres such a thing as an "NPC" its you baby
The right term is hylic
Im just non human in mind

>>5188150
You're a posessed empty vessel that is driven by fear. BEGONE, DEMON! BEGONE FROM THIS BOARD!

>>5188810
Why are you lying to me
WHY ARE YOU LYING TO ME?
people with less time are WAAAAAAYYYYY BEYTER
why?because talent is real

>>5188813
Exactly, you're subhuman. You can't think for yourself, you can't improve on your own, you can't even improve with others help and external resources and tutorials, completely hopeless. Not to speak of creativity and being able to portray higher levels of consciousness.
Don't project back to me or to others, that's pathetic and base.

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>>5188824
He's lying to you out of sympathy, but you seem to have a mind disease, maybe psychopathy?

>>5188830
Its trauma from child abuse I cant help it anon i cant help it
I wasnt programmed or made to be independent
Independent thought is a
New thing to me

>>5188834
I know he is
Hes llying
Talent is real, I wanted this but i cant do it
I just dont have the talenr

>>5188806
>>5188830
This anon is right, is he not, /ic/?
Give me the cold hard truth doc

>>5188824
I'm not lying, talent IS real and I have none of it. The thing is I have drawn a lot of pages, a shitload and even so I'm still extremely bad compared to everyone else on the progress thread. You are also miles ahead of my 5 months and I don't think you have even done 1000 pages on those 5 months so you are clearly much more talented than me. You have all the tools to make it yet you have a something that invalidates all those advantages and its your mental illness, if you could overcome that you would be very good, its quite clear you won't however because you enjoy being miserable and receiving cheap kicks out of (You)s

>>5188885
Fuck off, Ive used what areound _000 pagea already, I practiced a lot of fundies
And im still shit
I dont need your pity
I want people to know the truth, that talent is real and I have none of it

>>5188895
You got that wrong, I'm not having one bit of pity for you. I'm absolutely indifferent about your progress but I think you are incredibly annoying and I'm bored of you shitting up the board, go to /r9k/ or something.

Ultimately if you prevail or not makes no difference to me in the end so this is your last (You). Don't @ at me ever again.

>>5188885
Not evryone can learn to draw
Its not a skill ots talent.you either have it or not.90% talent.10% skill

>>5188883
The „cold hard truth” is that you’re clearly traumatized and mentally ill and you just don’t want to accept that fact and get help. I don’t know your life situation but there must be SOMEone you can reach out to irl to get help. And unironically get off 4chan - this site is extremely toxic for people with mental illness, please find some other artist community.

>>5188901
Keepwasting your time you piece of shit human.
How does it feel that the lowest of the low was better than you at something? Oh wait you were fucking lying, I'll keep spreading the truth about talent.
2 years and nothing to show for it, yeah, failures like you are the reason I should gi e up, save myself the trouble.

>>5188904
The cold hard truth is that he's right
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>>5188806
It's literally impossible for me to draw, to be an artist, that's what matters.
I got myself banned for life from r/learnart, asked for it, FUCKING ASKED FOR IT.

>>5188909
That’s rough being banned from learnart, but you NEED to get off 4chan regardless. Take your resources from the sticky and the MEGAdrives and leave forever, there’s not much more this forum can give you as an artist. And I guarantee it is making your mental illness 100x worse, I mean all these anonymous posts giving you help and telling you to kill yourself at the same time is such a cacophony that you could spiral into full-blown schizophrenia from this. You do NOT want full-blown schizophrenia. Please think about this and consider leaving 4chan when you’re feeling a bit better.

>>5188918
Fuck you
Two things asshole
>you eant to get rid of me, no, I dont care about draeing anymore, I mist spread the truth about talwnt, people will hear about this
>Im not going to waste my time drawing, no, in 6 months Ive done nothing, I wasted my time
And check this
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>>5188830
Hes right, I cant
Some anons were kindenough to give me lots of resources but i cant draw, nothing worked
One told me today on beg
Im a printer without souk at best, I tried the draeing from imagination and automatic thing, I failed.
I cant draw
I give up but im still going to spread the truth

>>5188918
Why cant I improve? Why am I talentless?
Ebry single anon that syarted at eitherthe same time kr EARLIER on the progress thread is WAAAAAY BETTER THAN me so explain thag

>>5188932
>Why cant I improve? Why am I talentless?
Because you have a mental illness and you're not taking meds

>>5188918
schizophrenia is hereditary, you dont contract it in the same way you do PTSD

>>5188954
It’s clearly not mental illness though, they literally wish they were that interesting. It’s clearly just some attention seeking underage faggot or just a socially reclusive retard. I absolutely assure they would be mortified if someone they knew irl found out this was them. Sooner or later they’re gonna slip up and get doxxed and it’s gonna be fucking hilarious

>>5187903
STOP OPENING THREADS WE ALREADY HAVE /VENT/ AND /BEG/ FUCK YOU RETARDED FAGGOT

Holy shit you're still here
You're not even doing that bad for 6 months but holy shit are you annoying

>>5189178
Dont lie to him

>>5189004
SHUT UP
WHY CANT I IMPROVE
>>5188954
LIES ITS BECAUSE IM TALENTLESS
>>5189178
>>5188804
EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE IS BETTER THAN ME

>>5189411
hahahahaha

nonono not every person. you know where you are, right?

>>5189560
Fuck you Im the only anon not improving despite my hard work

>>5188553
Hatred.

bump

>>5190359
What do you want, op? Do you want people to dunk on you or something?

>>5190389
CHECK THIS
>>5190368
THIS IS SOMEONE 7 MONTHS IN
REPEAT AFTER ME
IT'S OVER
>IT'S OVER
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

>>5187974
Based

>>5190391
I mean yeah, someone makes progress faster than you. That’s just how it is.
Don’t compare yourself to how someone is today. Compare yourself to how you were yesterday.
Just accept you’re a slow bloomer and keep working on it.

>>5190407
READ THIS brutal post, if youre not good at 5 months youll never be good
thats how it works
Talent is real and I just dont have it as such its useless ill never improve

>>5190407
>yeah keep wasting precious limited time being talentless
Failure is exponential, which means that since I ""progress"" (I dont) slower than someone 7 months in at 6 months in or slower than people 4 months in or 5 months in
Itd take me a decade to do what someone can do in 3 years
FAILURE AND TALENT (YOU EITHER HAVE IT OR NOT) ARE EXPONENTIAL

>>5190411
what can we do for you anon? What do you want from us? How can I ease your pain and suffering?

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>>5190418
It's over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6I4yWykD8