/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I'd like to preface this by saying I don't think my work ever looked western, but I think this may be valuable to some.
The difference between the mindset of " I'm making something inspired by anime or trying to look sort of like anime" vs "I am making anime" could be the difference between making it and not.
When you tell yourself it only has to be inspired by this or that then you are more likely to give up before you are done. If you see yourself as somebody who draws anime, you are going to be more likely to work at it until it looks good and to your liking.

I'd also like to mention that anime is a set of values, fundamentals, and shared teachings and techniques, not a static style. I think it is more valuable to draw what you feel would look good and right. The anime teachings are home to styles ranging to yoh yoshinari's to tekeshi koike's, to masamune's to arawi keiichi, to masaaki yuasa, to rumiko and so on, don't let yourself be restricted by what you think anime should look like.

>>5185266
could you pyw?

>>5185270
most of my work is practicing animation and practice, I seldom have finished illustrations, let alone paintings. I hope this suffices, friend.

>>5185286
I like it its pretty soulful! is that a boy or a girl?

>>5185288
>even on a different website entirely people think shion might be a boy.
She is a girl and she lets people know by doing this. thank you for the kind words.

>>5185298
Kek i love it anon! made for being teased hope to see more of her

>>5185166
Ooyari draws super cute clothes.

>>5185165
this thread, as always, good comedy

Need help figuring out sketch/line brush settings, left is from @shisantian on twitter right is my study. How do they manage to create this line style? Do they use different brushes for different parts of the sketch? That sounds counter productive af, I don't understand how some lines are so light and some are thicker yet tapered...

>>5185327
your brushes need a density curve applied on. notice how some strokes are way lighter than others.

>>5185308
much appreciated friend
for the record, I am not a boy pants drop was done before me by akira shiden's "I am not a boy!" If you like this you may enjoy it
https://e-hentai.org/s/6d855b40bd/516784-2

>>5185327
he sketch, then add tone/shadow with maybe, the same brush but changing the size, thats all

>>5185327
It looks like he drew it first with lighter lines and then went over some of it with a normal darkness. wide strokes don't interact with the thin lines, meaning they are on a different layer.

>>5185338
Thanks for the recommendation pal! although i would had preferred a series about it instead of a one shot doujin

Not my picture and im not an expert but what's wrong with this? Short torso/misplaced butt?

>>5185387
Proportions are weird, head is too big, arms are too long and probably more.

>>5185387
it's the legs. they're way too small compared to the rest of the body. There's also some foreshortening issues, but it would need more than my ms paint edit to be fixed.

Thoughts on these heads? I'm only satisfied with the left one. The others feel kinda off and I don't know why.

>>5185418
n*se

>>5185387

Hi, this isn't really /ic/ but it relates to drawing manga. I'm curious what filters and steps he's applying to his bg to make it look like an illustration. I'm generally aware of the steps to do it for a monochrome image but I can't get it to look right in color.

Here's the vid and timestamp:
https://youtu.be/Yx5fNCYdJH8?t=180

>>5185366
Read Tomo chan.
https://mangakakalot.com/read-qu4wd158504821675

Just acknowledge the existence of asian genes and there will be an end to the horror.

>want to hire semi-realistic anime artist for a few commissions
>all the western artist's showcases are fucking garbage

Do I actually need to learn japanese and hire a japanese guy if I want decent results or what's going on here
Jesus christ step it up please

>>5185954
You thought Asian jeans were a meme?

>>5185954
What exactly are you looking for?
Realistic proportions? realistic shadows?

>>5185917
Asians aren't real.

I just want to draw and paint like the fata morgana artist
Surely that's not too much too ask, right?
Surely I've worked hard enough to deserve this

>>5186087
You can work even harder than them, even 10 times more. If you are not Asian however your chances are extremely limited even after taking into account the x10 effort.

Whats the no hoper genes in terms of drawing anime? Whats on the opposite spectrum?

>>5186278
>no hoper genes
No such thing, the amount of hopeless people across all human groups is quite uniform in modern society.

>>5186278
the only genes that matter are the ones that determine your discipline and dedication.

>>5185556
Yep that was what i was looking for
anyways heres my attempt at rendering an anime girl any critiques? also any rendering guides for a beg

>>5185954
>>5185956
I'm sure Jesus Goncalves-Alvarado is one of dem Japsouls. A Japanese born in a Latin-American's body so to speak.

Recommendations on drawing tablets?

Dear /asg/, can you recommend an artists who draw cute 5-heads chibis (not lolis)? There is a bunch of "how to draw chibi" manuals but all of them stops at 3.5 heads, needs for better refs.

dead general <.<

>>5185286
do you have tips on animating? I want to be animator too but not sure where to start.

which artists should i copy from

>>5188319
@tkmiz

>>5188319
Raita and Melon

>>5185165
Well anon, you're a better artist than a vtuber who isn't even known for art, right?

>>5188319
asanagi

>>5188428
of course not

>>5188319
oosawara sadao

>>5188428
That's what the average japanese draw like when they try for the first time without any previous experience. Yet another example among thousand when it comes to Asian genes.

>>5188476

>>5188486
That same kind of improvement would take 3 years for a non asian. Someone really should start making a compilation of asian jeans

>>5188486
It's not fair bros

>>5188486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmgLBCaV6Q
>not posting the actual video because he mentions how he was a professional illustrator for monster art for decades and only grinded character/anime art for 3 months, 10+ hours a day everyday

>>5188502
yes,and? if someone can do it, so can you.

>>5188502
So in other words, he's Asian.

>>5188503
No, he really can't.

>>5188502
>Its another episode of an instructor selling the false promise that everyone can learn for personal gain
Yeah random artist just take a couple of months to switch to absolute different style and achieve great proficiency! nothing to do with asian genes! I did it twice yesterday.

>>5185165
personally I think I should fix the armpit/shoulder area, fix and/or balance the flow of the fabrics (with a specific note on the imbalance of the perceived volume).

go ahead /ic/, rip it apart.
what flaws (of any type, be it anatomy or line economy, lack of gesture etc.) does this sketch have? please let me know.

>>5188539
boring pose and angle, good render will make it kino though

>>5188556
Can you post an example of a "good render"?
I exclusively do TV anime cel shading, although there are other "illustration rendering styles" that I find appealing it simply doesn't interest me.

But I'll take the feedback on the pose and angle, most of my drawings have absolutely no interesting angle or pose, or even composition for that matter, definitely my achilles heel.

>>5188504
>>5188509
>WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK HARD, THIS GUY DIDN'T WORK HARD DESPITE BEING A PROFESSIONAL ALREADY AND LITERALLY PUTTING 900 FUCKING HOURS INTO PRACTICING A SPECIFIC STYLE RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>5189057
No one is discussing that. Its a given that if you are not Asian you just need to work at the very least 100 times harder to achieve the same results.

>>5189086
>No one is discussing that
>he worked 900 hours off of a professional framework to develop a new style
>"So in other words, he's Asian."

If you can't learn a new style as a professional after spending 900 hours on it, it has nothing to do with not being asian.

>>5188319
shojuchi himewada

Is the asian jeans guy the same poster every time? I swear I didn't see a single post about the concept 2-ish months ago, ever.

>>5188490
You meant for american?

>>5188428
>drawing gesture with ina
>she says something about her eating slow and that eating fast makes you fat
>then she says "is it ringfit making fun that despite me eating slowly I'm..."

she is a landwhale isn't she...

>>5188556
the pose looks decent enough imo but i want to see the finished product before I can give my final verdict

>>5189604
It’s all the 6 months schizo

>>5185418
Looks good! I like your line work.
Left one is really great, middle top one might have a pb with the right eye.

>>5188319
the ones you like

black rock shooter

>>5188476
they're white retard

>>5189893
flat

>>5189845
that chest, uh oh

come on /asg/ draw big tiddy anime girls.

>>5190189
NO

>>5189604
Usually for a meme to spread it has to have some element of truth to it, things like Loomis or Hard Round brush are good examples of this.

Asian genes is the same, it might not be the end of all things but its quite obvious it grants tremendous advantage when it comes to art. If someone were to meme for instance black artists (they have tried) it goes nowhere because its lack of merit doesn't allow it to float.

>>5190189

Is there an option to draw line with short straight strokes as Akihito Yoshitomi do instead of long curved lines "from shoulder"? I like his style but don't want to be a wristpain thread patient. Also if I'm (or my tablet) has a bad pressure control is there an option to use 2-3 stable line width as in trad does when uses liner pens or rapidographs or it will look poorly? まるも uses liners and it's cool but he is a trad.

>>5188428
>than a vtuber who isn't even known for art, right?
Which one do you mean? Mori or Kiara?

I can't think in 3D so I took the anime pill, how's my 2D?

You can't draw anime because you have yet to purchase the latest Apple iPad Pro 12.9.
All Japanese artists are using the Apple iPad Pro 12.9.

>>5190667
hmmm not sure but willing to buy the crapple pad as I'm desperate anyway.

you are literally ngmi if you do not own at least one iPad Pro
Starting at $799

12.9-inch and 11-inch Liquid Retina display with ProMotion

A12Z Bionic chip

Compatible with Magic Keyboard and Smart Keyboard Folio

Compatible with Apple Pencil (2nd generation)

>>5190723
You're trying to force a meme, and it's not working.

>>5190767
i'm making fun of the one that's trying to force a meme, and yeah that meme is really not working

>>5188319
the ones you like

how'd i do?

>>5191033
from that angle buttfang should be more visible and fix those breasts

>>5191038
Should i lower the breast too, or just the shape is wrong?

>>5191038
>>5191042
did i fix it?

>>5191099

>>5191128
ah, i see.

>>5191033
Pudgy

>>5190189

>>5191454
Nice! i thought she was a wolf instead of a cat though

>>5191454
Are you Asian?

>>5191679
enough with the meme shit already

>>5191454
I keep seeing her around what series (or game? ) is this?

>>5191789
mushoku tensei... stupid faggot

Does anyone have the japanese to english translation of the layer modes in SAI? My eop head is trying to decipher whatever Shirabii's doing in his painterly pieces in his yt channel.

>>5189893
>>5191099
>>5191454
cute

>>5190093
always open to criticism

>>5191800
lel calm down non asian

>>5190647
Nice. Are you using construction for head and face?

>>5167884

Continued my studies. Top ones are straight up copies and bottom ones are from imagination/aided by reference.

>>5191454
Saved

>>5191931
Hey man nice work!!! hey I think I know you, don't take any offense, are you AcT?, I love your work!

>>5186416
Sorry for not answering sooner I was animating.
This doesn't look beg. It is unpolished but shows a clear understanding.
Have you tried to ink it and just fill it up by hand on a layer behind it? It could possibly look really nice. Maybe try just a slightly thicker brush too. Be careful not to be too clean though, if it takes more than 15 minutes to ink something this simple you are probably overthinking it.
Ganbare!

>>5191919
>always open to criticism
ribcage is totally shit idk what the fuck where you thinking or you just eyeballed the whole thing and hoped for the best,why is the part that connects the pecs to the arm so fucking long or why is her pecs so fucking low lmao, now you can argue that is her dress or whatever that is pushing her tits making not visible that part of the muscle but her tits are sagging freely all the way down lol, this is better shown on the lef redline

so..... ugh... you need to grind mor anatomy

>>5190348
>Usually for a meme to spread it has to have some element of truth to it
>Usually

this is one of the times when this is not the case

>If someone were to meme for instance black artists (they have tried) it goes nowhere because its lack of merit doesn't allow it to float.

must suck that black people are apparently honorary holders of asian jeans then

>>5192323
Not according to your picture, if thats what you are implying

>>5192337
time to pyw then

>>5192338
Sorry Im not Asian

>>5192344
another posturing malder slain

>>5191919
Very not asian

>>5192403
kinda scary but I get you

>>5192323
Here's another black artist (a girl) who draws manga. Because you guys are always posting LeSean Thomas and while he's good it's nice to have variety
https://twitter.com/Marufu_san/

>>5192502
unfair example anon, everyone knows all french people are asian

that's why they're good at art too

>>5191931
Eyes look unfocused, even the copies have it slightly.

>ultra giga beg drawing
>however.... it has more soul than every faggot in /ic/ combined

why are japanese so fucking good bros

>>5192557
Looks like any other normal beginner drawing to me, anon. I think you're just projecting insecurities.

However, if you really feel that it has more soul than anything that anyone else is putting out, I'd wager that it's likely because this person actually enjoys drawing and sees it as a fun activity, rather than a soul-crushing grind that only exists to "get good" at. A mentality change can do wonders for your art and your ability to learn.

>>5192557
The answer is plastered all over the thread

>>5192557
i try

>>5192502
You keep digging that hole deeper and reinforcing my point

>>5192046
Yeap, I go with AcT as my handle pretty much everywhere else.

Why can you always tell when a westerner tries to draw anime?
Even in their profesionnal published work, with right to left panelling and japanese sfx it looks "off"

>>5192803
Are you sure you're not biased by existing knowledge? It looks like any other manga to me, and definitely well-done regardless.

>>5192803
is pic related? I thought it was authentic manga as well

>>5192803
it lacks SOVL

>>5192803
You're seeing what you want to see. That looks pretty much indistinguishable from your typical romance manga in terms of art.

Why can you always tell when a westerner tries to draw anime?
Even in their profesionnal published work, with right to left panelling and japanese sfx it looks "off"

>>5192803
i don't know if it has to do with their upbringings, but japanese are way better at subtlety. from line weight to shape design. western art tends to pronounce certain details more, like faces. mainly noses and lips
i see no difference with your image tho.

>>5192557
here is the fundamental problem with non-japanese people trying to draw anime: even japanese beginners' basic shitty smybol drawings look identifiably like anime, and for them it's just a matter of building the fundamentals onto that visual library they already have built into their heads

>>5192957
People keep saying this, but there isn't even a "standard" for what anime "looks like."

I swear, if Horikoshi weren't famous and someone posted him in this thread people would omegalul over how he was an impotent westerner.

>>5192966
cope

>>5192968
How am I coping? Someone posted a page from an OEL complaining about how different it is from "normal manga," and then a ton of other posters tagged them saying they couldn't tell the difference. People are just projecting at this point; there literally is not a standard for what "anime" is supposed to look like; it's a variety of different styles, and differences in stylization is what led to the individual flavors of the genre that people like.

What is "authentic" anime? Gatcha illustrations? Bleach? Dragon Ball? Berserk? K-ON? Why is the response always "cope" rather than a real answer to this question?

>arguing yet again
Stay funny asg

It's like you fags get antsy if a thread is running well for too long, you have to find the smallest things to unleash your autism at.

>>5193113
>if a thread is running well
When did that happen exactly?

Should I try mastering a human face before trying to draw an anime head? Or can I get away with just the basics?
What i mean is, is it a waste of time trying to learn every facial muscle and how to render a near perfect looking nose, eyes, ears ect.
Or should I just focus on the basics such as proportions of the face and its construction, and the construction and contours of the facial features?

>>5192254
ill do my best not to betray your expectations

>>5193170
ndr posting once alone makes this thread better than 90% of /asg/ ones, eternal arguments aside

Guys, you really have to let go of this meme stuff. You're just hurting your own chances. I know that drawing can be really scary and frustrating, and that you can feel worthless when you've been grinding fundamentals for the longest time and coming up short on progress, but the fact of the matter is if you keep blaming that lack of progress on something that isn't really a factor, you're never actually going to get better because you're not going to be able to properly address your shortcomings.

I too have been in positions where I felt like I was just spinning my wheels and not learning anything. The thing is, though, I always found a way to reassess what I was doing or what I was trying to learn, and ended up making progress again. If you put your lack of progress on the shoulders of something unchangeable or intangible, then you're basically admitting defeat. Look at your habits, your workflow, and your time investment, not some magical state of attunement.

I doubt that anyone is actually going to read this or care, but hopefully at least some of you manage to shake yourself out of this weird mindset. It's only hampering you. Let go of all that and focus on the shortcomings of your technique or studying methods and you will see results, I promise.

>>5193190
You ain't mastering shit for decades

>>5193312
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>5193295
Sorry, who?

>>5193312
what meme stuff? what even are you talking about?

>>5193442
Asian genes

>>5190189
tits are disgusting, slender looking girls with small chests all the way.

>>5190454
why are her legs so thick, it looks kinda funny I actually laughed, sorry.
I'd get if she had large breasts but she kinda looks like she has dwarfism or a toddler body with tits

>>5193312
Take your meds schizo

Hello, do you guys know how to do hair like this?>>>/b/846926790, it seems like it's affected by gravity really well and looks life like, I know that there are better examples but can't find any right now

>draw slender female body that has small breasts
>replace head with a loli head.
>people call it pedophilia and complain

I don't get it. I'd get if the body looked like a children's body but it doesn't look anything like a child other than the head.

Are all normalfags like this?

>>5193638
Dont reply to them they are not worth your time adn yea they are like that

Thoughts on this mixed anime realistic art style?
Does it look bad to you? https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=aki99

>>5193643
uncanny

traced

How can I draw like Mel Kishida?

>>5193655
Kidnap him, cook and eat him and absorb his Asian genes

>>5189680
>"is it ringfit making fun that despite me eating slowly I'm..."
What does this mean?
>eating slow and that eating fast makes you fat
My mother says this as well, and she's in decent shape for her age. Might just be an asian belief.

Which hair Should I go with?

She’s preparing to shoot ice blades. First one is wind blown hair and the second is her power manifesting. I’m not sure which to go with?

Thoughts????

>>5193548
I drawn it quickly for line test and forgot to rebuild anatomy after mixing chibi and 5head styles (there is no good refs for 5heads). Also head is too big and cringy. Need more cubes.

>>5193548
>>5193824
I want to be like this (but not used this pic as ref that time).

>>5193655
Answer yourself this question
>Are you Asian?
If the answer is no, you can't. Want proof? Just check these threads

>>5193926
How about NSIO? Isn't he anime enough? Also Pixiv is full of cringe Japanese drawings, isn't it?

>>5193341
It isn't about "facts" anon; no one has presented any facts or evidence on either side of this ("all the artists I like are asian" is not evidence, it's circumstance). It's about trying something new, since if your current trajectory and way of thinking was helping you I doubt that you would be here on /ic/ posting in the manner that you are. Just try letting go of that way of thinking and focusing solely on faults in your studying methods; what do you have to lose?

It's up to you, ultimately; there's nothing that I can really do to change your approach. It just saddens me to see so many people here needlessly tying themselves down when they could draw perfectly well with some mindset and process changes.

>>5194080
>no one has presented any facts or evidence on either side of this

>>5194080
>no one has presented any facts or evidence on either side of this
I could keep going but I don't want to spam the thread

>>5194080
>It just saddens me to see so many people here needlessly tying themselves down when they could draw perfectly well with some mindset and process changes
I hate this kind of goodthink blanket statements, if this were actually the case things would be so much easy for everyone. Truth is its a lie, and a very harmful one.

>>5194087
>>5194090
Anon, they worked long and hard, got good advice from skilled people, had a good learning method, and were tireless in their pursuits. How is this so hard to accept? Not only are you demeaning their efforts by chalking it up to something nebulous, you're also demeaning your own efforts.

>>5194101
"You are hamstringing yourself and should stop and address the deficiencies you *actually* have rather than hanging on ones you don't" is not a "blanket goodthink statement." It isn't even remotely utopian. It's just advice, advice applicable to learning literally anything.

>>5194135
So what happens when you work long and hard and are tireless in the pursuit but got no one to ask advice for, which in turns ends up with no proper learning method and just misery?
>in b4 just find someone to get advice from
Fucking where? /ic/ is a fucking shithole and the rest of the internet is a hugbox while reality is locked down due to the pandemic

>>5194090
If you draw hardcore for 100 days and actually let yourself fail so you can learn from it you would improve too. Starting 500 sketches and never finishing them because 'I'm such a perfectionist' is holding you back. Stay mad, stay /beg/.

>>5194142
>in b4 just find someone to get advice from
I know that sometimes obvious answers can be frustrating, but this really is the solution, even if it is easier said than done.

>where
I think the first thing to keep in mind is that there is a difference between people liking your art and saying so and a "hugbox." I'm not saying that you in particular conflate these two things, but I've talked to a lot of people who have. The creation and presentation of art is not and should not be a 24/7 misery-fest. It is entirely possible for people at all skill-levels to create work that others end up enjoying for a variety of reasons. So, if you're inclined to leave an art community simply because people in it are friendly and compliment-giving, I would advise against it.

That aside, my advice would be to start asking around on Discord. There are public server lists that you can filter by subject. Join a few of the art-centric ones and ask around to see if there are any available who would be willing to critique your work, or have access to any learning-focused servers that they can invite you to. Learning-focused Discord art servers are plentiful and tend to be reasonably tight-knit, particularly if they are filled with skilled and helpful people, so there are a few important things to keep in mind in terms of behavior:

-- Don't vent all the time. Art can be annoying and skilled people know this very well. The odd bout of frustration is fine. Asking skilled people how they deal with frustration when trying to learn is fine. Constantly complaining about your skill or lack thereof will only annoy people and brand you as unteachable.

>>5194235
>>5194142
-- Be patient and focus on the mechanics of learning. If you're not progressing as quickly as you would like to, do not complain openly and constantly about it, especially if those you consider to be more skilled than you are seeing progress where you might not see it. Even progressing "quickly" requires patience, as you will rarely see tangible drawing-to-drawing progress at first.

-- Relax. If you're high-strung about "progress" and "making it" all the time, people are going to distance themselves from you because you're going to stress them out (which will in turn impact their own ability to learn on their own as well as instruct you and others). Freelancers and professionals are generally already stressed out from networking, workloads, personal projects, and other such things. If they think about "stress" when they think about talking to you, then you're going to alienate yourself rather quickly and make people less prone to give you any advice.

Really, it's all about mindset. Be willing, be open to learn, be patient, and ask good, detailed questions that show an attempt to try and deeply understand the subjects at hand. People appreciate earnestness and will. They stall out and distance themselves in the face of aggression and despair. They, like you, have felt those feelings before, and they will likely try to help you get over them. However, you have to *want* to get over them and make the effort yourself. If they believe that you're just going to sit and soak in those feelings forever, they're going to stop helping you because they won't believe it to be worth their time.

Good luck anon. I hope that you manage to find a community that suits you.

>>5192065
sorry for my beg question but, does inking mean lineart? and what do you mean by filling it up by hand on a layer behind it?

>>5194237
>Just go get yourself groomed by discord trannies
Now Im really wishing I had azn genes just to not deal with this shit

>>5194245
If you're going to dismiss entire communities without even knowing who is in them, what those people are like, or what they have to offer, then I don't know that you're ever going to learn to draw at all.

>>5194270
>If you're going to dismiss entire communities without even knowing who is in them, what those people are like, or what they have to offer
Fair point, still have no idea how to go about finding these

>>5192403

Do japanese think sanpaku eyes are the height of beauty or something?

I like to think greysketchtranoo is the one pushing this asian meme shit. He used to spam muh talent whenever someone post something good here

>>5194349
Who?

>>5194147
but he started off with skill and sould is I think he's trying to say, just look at it.

I think you can learn it but it just seems so hard compared to them.

But who knows maybe he drew his whole life kinda thing and now really started to get serious with it.

>>5193796
left, or maybe tone down the movement a whole lot and only make some more floaty stray hairies.
I'm tired sorry dude I can't put it into words

but left definitely.

right looks very forced with regards to the hair.

>>5191099
No, you made it much worse.
Maybe I gave bad advice sorry.

>>5191128
joke I think

>>5189845
the face, it just has that tad bit of western in it and it kinda kills it for me. the jawline isn't quite right and the nose thing just too prominent.

I hope my stuff doesn't look western I hate that look. It's in the details really; really annoying suckers those nitty gritties.

There's also that point when they have the 'Habbo Hotel' face, my disappointment at that point is then immense.

But yeah, fix that western details make her a true asian :)

>>5192759
I knew it, I love your work and your art of GIRL I like how you do their facial expressions, hey I don't wanna bombard you with questions so Im wanna ask you four questions (its okay if you dont wanna answer), How many hours do you draw a day ?, How did you make it an habit or how can you avoid proscranintg? Do you study anatomy and proportion first and then draw what you want? What do you recommend for anatomy proportion study first or what should i focus on? (Lets say if I want to draw AK12)

>>5192759
i'm sorry , I mean Girls frontline*

>>5194245
imagine being so pathetic that you can't help but to get groomed

>>5188267
Sorry I did not see this before.
I personally studied animation through trying to figure out documentaries, studying anime and production materials, and asking OLM and Trigger staff on twitch stuff that filled in the gap. While I don't have any 1 resource to give you I'd gladly tell you what I know if you have a specific question.

>How do I start?
Get a cheap intuos, grab a copy of flash cs3(it's free now). open it, press flash file action script 2 F5 extends the frame you are on, F6 creates a new identical frame, F7 creates a new frame, < and > to flip between frames, blue squares at the bottom of your timeline are onion skin options.F8 creates new symbol, you should animate inside symbols and then put them on the timeline, that will allow you to put them on the main timeline, resize them and put fx on them like controlling a clip on the timeline in premier or like how filming stations worked in the cel era. press y, look at the bottom of your toolbar, set it from straighten to ink, you can use those to draw uniform lines sort of similar to working with a pencil. press B, go to the second bottom option in your toolbar (a black circle), choose the third smallest size and set the smoothness to 50. Don't worry about being clean, add colors on a layer below. CTRL ENTER exports your animation into swf, use swivel by newgrounds to convert it into webms, mp4, or video. Don't worry about doing exercises, start off by just trying to animate what you want to animate and figure out how to do it, look into the teachings after you played around with it.
Get this version of flash so you can view the animation right away. https://archive.org/download/flashplayerarchive/pub/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp_32.0.0.371_archive.zip
Later down the line learn csp. csp allows to take scans to finished film and to draw natively, giving you the choice to go either way.

>>5194639
I am aware that it seems odd that I am recommending a discontinued format and software. No other method or program allows you to jump straight into animation or feels this natural to control. It is probably the most bare and direct contact with animating fbf with the fastest output and the least amount of steps.
I would recommend down the line trying out paper, because it is faster in the long run, easier to clean up and polish, and a lot quicker for detailed work. I actually use flash to composite and time all of my work, even though I work on paper.
everything science saru made is made on a flash X after effects type dynamics, and bahi JD also animates in flash if you need a benchmark of what can be done.

>>5194244
Stop calling yourself that.
Knowing one has lots to learn show a good head on his shoulders, but kicking yourself down is to your detriment.
It is an /ic/ invented term for people who still don't even grasp early fundamentals.
Inking is generally used to redo lines in a cleaner more defined way. Yeah, that would mean lineart. The words you use for colors don't matter, just make a layer, place it behind your clean lines or lineart and color, preferably so the paint doesn't go outside the lines unless that is a style you are aiming for.
Please don't talk yourself down or be afraid to ask, friend. Hanbare.

pic rel is a western artist

>>5194955
>Page Not Found
>Deactivated Account
RIP, I guess
What else did that artist draw?

>>5188428
Why not post the finished product instead?

>>5189680
the opposite actually.

>>5185165
How the fuck do you draw anime men? I can draw portraits of men and women just fine, I can draw waifus, but the only stuff I can find on stylizing into anime men is 10 year old boys or shoujo style men. And old farts. Anyone have a book suggestion or something?

>>5194974
This may sound mean, but if you understand how to draw anime girls practically, as in umderstand why you do what you do, and understand the man's face, yiu should be able to draw anime dudes.

>>5194404
>No, you made it much worse.
Maybe I gave bad advice sorry.
what's worse about it?

>>5194971
@ms_cloud on twitter. She used to be a sakimi clone so her older art is hard to look at, but I love her current style.

>>5194972
sovlless sovlless sovl sovl sovlless

>>5195017
begshit

>>5195024

>>5195024
crabnigger

>>5195056
That head is detached from the rest of the torso, either that or she is a giraffe. No amount of hair will hide the inability to place the neck on the torso.

>>5195059
forgot to add on the other begshit image, she is possessed and in need of an exorcist.

@nami_nyaa

>>5195002
You would think so, right? It's hard going from realism to anime, I keep wanting to stick to real proportions too much, and learning to basically symbol draw again is difficult. There's tons of shit about drawing moe and how their proportions change, its basically an alien baby, cool got it, I can do that. But on stylizing men, I just can't get it right. What features to emphasize, how to stylize them, and again as I said the only stuff I can find is for little boys, old men, and shoujo pretty boys.

I guess it's time to just do a bunch of studies myself.

>>5195059
>>5195061
The artist itself has a terminal case of lack of asian jeans

>>5195003
The butt fangs are waaaaay oversized.
She already had enough butt fangs, bad advice I guave there.

Lower the breasts a tad bit!

>>5195098
Anime is not symbol drawings, alien baby is nonsense as well. For tou to think this way means you don't understand fundamentally what you are doing in the slightest.

>replying to ta-kun when he can hardly draw a line

>>5195199
Bro tell me with a straight face that this shit isn't a baby alien skull
Have you seen how horrifying they are with facial muscles on top of it?

>>5195189
Okie doke. Thanks for the critique. Tho i'm probably gonna move on from this now. I'll keep it in mind for future stuff

>>5195227
She is reading
The book of holding hands

I have a question. What's with the people that complain about not being able to draw because they're not asian, but then when they get shown examples of people that can draw well that aren't asian, they just throw out the free "lol but that's actually shit though". I don't really understand the purpose of the argument. If they truly believed this, they would just not bother with trying to draw anime because they're not asian and therefore will never be able to draw something good in their eyes. Otherwise, they're just wasting time wallowing in their own self-pity. What's the fucking point?

>>5195207
Remarks like that will only help to anger you further.
If you really wish to get something off your chest saying it to the person directly.

>>5195260
Drama, mostly stirred by people who gave up themselves.
It derails the threads and they would never interact with a real point and dismiss everything else. It is best to ignore it and report it if you feel like going the extra step.

>>5195218
You posted an example of quite possibly the worst anime "style" to come out of the 2000s. It's like if someone was arguing that all anime is shit, and they post an image of some CLAMP monstrosity. You are being knowingly dumb to try and prove your point.

>>5195252
>>5195261
>>5195263
>>5195260
>>5195265
btw you can reply to more than one person per post (like i'm doing right now)

>>5195271
Ok? Thanks, I will keep that in mind when I want to reply to more than one person per post.

>>5195265
Friend, ignore bait.
>>5195271
Hey how did you do that? I want to respond to two people too!

>>5185298
this one looks somewhat western, to be honest. but it might be an overall quality issue, as opposed to a purely stylistic one.
I do think asian genes are generally nonsense though.

>>5195265
Try it with regular moe, it's still horrifying

>>5194974
for head
https://setteidreams.net/settei/kurokos-basketball/
https://setteidreams.net/settei/hellsing/
https://setteidreams.net/settei/catherine/
https://setteidreams.net/settei/devil-may-cry/
https://setteidreams.net/settei/baccano/
https://setteidreams.net/settei/banana-fish/
Just copy and
How to Draw Manga: Basics and Beyond!
and for body
download the proko anatomy course, he explains the difference between men and women(rib cage,pelvis,..)
>I can draw portraits of men and women just fine

you should have no problem then
pyw
maybe you have dunning kruger

just wondering if anyone here is interested in this book and wants to see it scanned.

>>5191099
not the other guy but i think what you tried to do was the top redline, but her neck would be too long and her torso doesn't show that tilt not to mention is very squary but if what you wanted was a shot from below it would more like the uuhh blackline on the right, also ear should be lower and the arm looks like is in perspective but the hand inst huh.

>>5195359
Thank you, those links are helpful at least as study material, I'm going to figure this shit out and break it down for myself

>>5195265
Not just the style but the quality of that show was infamous for how bad it was.

>>5195370
You made it worse.

>>5195401
You redline it. Show us how it's really done.

>>5195403
Not him, but he's right desu

>>5195420
>Not him
sure thing, ta-kun ;)

how many namefag/tripfag/thread personality schizos do we have now? Is grey sketch tranny still posting here?

>>5195424
Greysketch realised he's not improving despite all the crabbing so he offed himself

>>5193655

I'll never make it!

>>5195424
greysketch could be the asian genes memer faggot

>>5195370
Yeah i'm trying to do the bottom red, but this is my first time really trying perspective and it comes off really flat, since i'm so use to drawing in angels straight on. I was also look at a references that all were slight variations of the same pose/angel. But instead of just focusing on one reference i kinda winged it and merge all of them. Thank you for the redline.

>>5195401
I use a name and not a trip for semi anonimity, even if some of these posts can be traced to me, it's not like twitter where "everything under this name was said by this guy". Sine I use this thread a lot if you say mean things in my name you will make people uncomfortable to come here. I don't want to play the trip game or take pics of my works every post. Please use your time for more constructive things, being nice feels good.
>>5195370
I don't have much to say, you did a great job redlining and helping out a friend. I also quite like how you have sharpened the jaw a little., although, since it is from such a low angle, I wonder if you can get away with doing something that is between both of yours, but removing some of the lines and replacing it with shading. She is looking down, and it workd with how you did it, but it may be enough to merit it. I could be completely off the mark on this one.

>>5195364
I want that!

>>5195623
Didn't read.

How do i learn how skin stretching and compression works like on the butt here.
Are there any good guides?

>>5195260
>they're just wasting time wallowing in their own self-pity. What's the fucking point?
If I had to guess? Validation.

They're posting about it because they feel that their dreams are dashed and want other people to say that it was out of their hands from the beginning so that they are relieved of the responsibility for failure.

The problem is that this leads to a vicious spiral. Why? Because the only people who are going to validate this are people who feel the same way and thus have no skilled work to show. The people who are actually worth hearing from--those who are at least moderately practiced--are of course naturally going to disagree, because in order to get to their level and beyond, the very *first* thing they had to do was throw that and other, similar mindsets out. That way of thinking is so far behind them that the idea that people are hanging onto it becomes laughable or sad, since dealing with those sorts of thoughts is basically step one. You can't learn to draw if you think you're naturally destined to draw poorly.

Wippy wip

>>5195778
just read the skin's shape, studying drapery will teach you that

>>5195359
After doing some studies from those links you gave me, I'm testing what I've learned. Here's a quickie for you! I will keep studying and practicing, but getting to pick apart those character sheets has been really helpful so far!

I am still learning where I can place face wrinkles to show emotion without making them look too old. Hopefully I can understand it better with more practice

>>5195260
Questioning their intentions or reasoning don't make their point any less valid.

>>5185165
Hi there. People made me realize that my art mostly look like standard western weeaboo style and I want to fix that. My lineart style mostly comes from Moebius and Druillet but I don't reference any specific artist for faces (I did do 1 or 2 Quick Bengus studies using loomis going meh but that's).

Also of Anyone's a furfag in this thread too, what Kemono artists would you recommend? I only know of Sindoll and Aruurara and the former Is my favorite coomer artist

>>5196190
Other examples of my work

>>5196191

>>5196195

>>5196199
I can't even seem to see much difference between eastern and westerns character designs (clothing/armor/creatures and such, not the art style btw). Could this pass as a JRPG protagonist?

>>5196208
November art of my own OC.

And that's pretty much It now. What would you suggest to avoid the "fake mutt animu" look and upgrade my art style, other than practice ofc?

>>5196216
>What would you suggest to avoid the "fake mutt animu" look and upgrade my art style
Reroll into Asian jeans

>>5196224
Shut the fuck up.

>>5196216
>>5196208
>>5196199
>>5196195
>>5196191
>>5196190

Honestly at this point, you should study again and again artists you like and deconstruct everything they do. Trace over their faces/muzzles, observe their construction, and try to recreate it exactly.

What screams western to me here is the anatomy and stylistic choices that clashes with your goal of looking eastern. You characters are always pudgy, always have big feets, overly detailed faces/body parts. For example, this dude >>5196208 looks like he's wearing a mullet and his cartoonish symbol nose clashes with the rest of the design. Plus, the boots look very out of place and look like they belong in a kid's cartoon.

Overall, I'd suggest you try and focus on improving your fundamentals first and foremost, stop with the huge cartoon feet, study face construction from other artists and fix your hands/anatomy.

>>5196216
>What would you suggest to avoid the "fake mutt animu" look
Proportions proportions proportions
Pay very close attention to them, they will absolutely fuck you if you neglect them.

Also trace over shit to get a feel for how careful anime artists are with their line placement.

lmao

>>5196330
Punchable face

Shiro-sama the Goddess of mass [Redacted]

>>5193295
Like the other guy said, you can improve your picture a lot by cutting out most of her upper chest

>>5196330
this nigga only draws hags because muh loliban on patreon?

style practice

>>5196626
cute style! no freckles though?

>>5196628
damn, totally missed that, thanks anon

>>5196628
freckles would just turn it into shadman

>>5196551
Why do you type so ghetto

A lot of the studies here and the western art communities in general revolve around either pixiv and twitter japanese works or 80s anime.
Does anyone here study modern tv or movie anime, or tries to replicate the style of certain productions and designers or even mangakas?
I am also curious if there are people here who have tried to follow the traditional anime production workflow. I never manage to find anybody who does it besides actual industry.

>>5196759

Im tryin to make bootleg gatcha art not apply for a job with Kyoto Animation. Most of those sorts of things *are* pixiv artists.

>>5196771
I ain't knocking studying pixiv oe gacha. I am asking about those fields in particular because they are my fields of interest. I do think that it is a shame people avoid it, not sure if they feel like they can't do it, or don't think there is value in it...
I definitely seen on /a/ people who tried to delve into sigital ink and paint, it would be nice if I got to actually discuss with them

>>5196190
not a furfag but kuroblood is excellent
agree with the other anon on pudginess; some of the characters here look almost fat, but more accidentally thick than intentionally obese. >>5196195
here for example
your colours lack visual appeal. above one is too greyed out in an unpleasant way
>>5196216
unpleasantly saturated shadows

consider adding more eyelids, slimming down everything to avoid sausagey hands and limbs and pudgy faces, making things less obscenely thick. i mean, maybe it's your fetish or preference, but the problem is you've made the ankles and calves and fingers thick along with the thighs, so for pictures like >>5196191 the waist is somewhat slim but entirely countered by the lower half

>>5196759
>the traditional anime production workflow
do you mean shit like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NUflFY48y4 i considered it for some animations and might eventually when i have more time again, but in the meantime i'll just draw things out normally
if you mean just art style, i've tried matsus/melancholy of haruhi/some k-on and shit for kicks, i dont think it's that much work if you just want to draw in a semi-accurate/recognisable style copy

>>5196829
Semi recognizable is easy peasy, professionally passable is a nightmare, especially if it is not the type of style you usually do. Almost a 100% of the attempts you see around of people trying to replicate for styles like kyoani's work would have been tossed in the shredder by the animation director.
>the video you posted
Digitally is how most web gen do it, which is fine, but I am interested in the whole 9 yards. Although, I would not mind discussing these stuff with a digital animator, even if our workflows would be different.

>>5196877
desu i dont follow animation procedure because i'm lazy and just draw and colour, i'll try again when i have free time
>Semi recognizable is easy peasy, professionally passable is a nightmare
idk i rly dont think it'd be that hard to replicate on a lark, but drawing that way consistently seems rather annoying
i dont think 99.99% accuracy is necessary for the internet hobbyist either, so consider what the animation director would want seems like a useless thought exercise

>>5195241
That's completely okay with me.
Keep going anonbroooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

>>5195364
I do

Is it just me or does this guy have a weird accent though. He emphasizes words in a really weird manner I think.

But I don't know jack shit about Japanese.

>>5196894
I don't understand why you would apply yourself to a skill that takes a lifetime to develop without wanting to push above and beyond, however I am in no position to question the path others take.
Character recognizability is not what I am looking for. I strive to match and surpass the quality in the animation. Feel free to call it zealot.
I hope this doesn't come off as snobby, I am interested in peoole who try to do the same, I have found very few in the past.

>>5196954
Do you have any animation examples you can show? Drawing in that style seems incredibly difficult already, making it move sounds like a nightmare. What is your approach?

>>5195370
I'm "the other guy" and I think this too is what you wanted to achieve.
Beautiful redline anon.

>>5196954
>i strive to match and surpass quality
>drawings looks like >>5196759 >>5194658
ta-kun you are very opinionated for someone who can't draw! are you autistic by any chance?

>>5196963
I animated the chapter "procession" from helvetica standard last year.
https://files.catbox.moe/bjv99i.mp4
My traditional animation workflow is a patchjob, I still don't have a red blue line seperator so I draw thw shading on another layer, and I still don't have the lines and smoother perfectly figured out, still too messy, but my approach mostly mirrors the ink and paint process of anime studios.
I spent a bunch od time trying to figure oit how ti draw in arawi's style, which was really hard, I worked very hard to have the layouts as good as possible, and tried to look at every asset I made for the animation through the eyes of an animation director.

>>5196993
>t.beg

>>5195936
metal leg looks like those digitigrade mecha or animal legs, awkward together with a normal leg.

got distracted by genshin sorry
>>5196954
>I don't understand why you would apply yourself to a skill that takes a lifetime to develop without wanting to push above and beyond
well im just doing it for fun, really just amv-style. i'm not saying that i'm not trying because that would be absurd, but really, i don't aspire to animate professionally/as a career, or to mimic any particular show, so i don't think it matters that much.
https://files.catbox.moe/4xft4f.mp4 sketch
>Character recognizability is not what I am looking for. I strive to match and surpass the quality in the animation. Feel free to call it zealot.
>>5197014
i see. not to be rude but that isnt as close of a match as i was expecting. anyway idk i can see the appeal of getting close to the source and try occasionally but it's really too much bother

>>5197077

A bit yeah. I Ithink I kinda mashed a girl and an armored core into some kinda homunculus.

>>5195936
No offense but the perspective is very bad.

>>5197029
-____-

>>5197114
You are not rude, I am not there. Even after the project when I was handling the style a lot more confidently I wonder if I would get the OK even doing douga was I on the production like nichijou. This isn't a style I have done before and it is wild to hope to master and replicate works of master artists, and I enjoy what I made, but that just means there is so much more to learn and to develop.
Your work is nice, it is sort of in the style of these yt music videos for some japanese songs. I am aiming to become an animator, but I don't think there is fault innthe path you have chosen either. Ganbare.

>>5197141
desu i'm really tired, sorry for any jumbled wording. i think duplication is probably just practice and observation of traits. again, personally i dont find making approximate duplications overly hard (though if i try to go for extremely accurate it's tism), you just have to break it down. as for douga, after googling for examples i dont think so, at least partially bcause your linework could use a lot of work. the issue is just an overall quality/lacking mileage issue and not a style issue, if i had to guess
>the path you have chosen either
im just making one amv for fun lol that isnt really my chosen path or anything, thanks though. ganbatte dess

>>5197188
or rather a better way to phrase it would be 'it isn't solely a style issue'; obviously there are faults there that could be fixed with closer observation/breakdown but things like lines are overall

>>5197188
I am sorry, but we are not talking on the same frequency. Explaining my thoughts further is a rabit hole I don't want to go down. Sorry, this sounds rude but I felt it would be more rude to say nothing.

>>5197204
oh ok

>>5197129

Get back in your bucket.

does anyone have references for underwear at this angle? I can't find any real examples at this angle and I feel like I've been doing it wrong.

>>5197645
Bro... that's what the full length mirror is for...

>>5197645
The ass and how the legs attach look wrong

How do you get the hair to be transparent but also show the layer below while maintaining color?

Sorta how the pink is above the eyebrow on this photo

>>5197691
Clipping mask
Erase with 60% opacity eraser
Or put merged hair on top but only for eyebrow, then lower opacity

Critique?

What do you normally do in a day related to art?
How do you practice? What things do you do?

So far I do figure drawing everyday for 30 min, copy an artist for 30 min and then make a drawing for 2 hours.
I want to spend more time drawing and getting better but don't know what else to do.

>>5198019
>getting better but don't know what else to do.
pyw

Does anyone know what this pose is called? I see it all the time think it's really cute and want to look up more poses like it but I don't know the name for it or even what it means

>>5198765
it's a dance move from the song koi by hoshino gen

>>5198791
Thank you! Just what I was looking for

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