/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5182556
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS
>posts a 4k image
You're a great role model, OP.

Does it looks fine? What to improve?

>>5182570
>What to improve?
Proportions, pose, perspective
Also, I doubt anyone would actually hold the rifle like that while walking

>>5182595
I took a ref, but it was a 3D model, so the pose might be believable. About the perspective, if you mean the right leg, I agree so.

Welp, wish me luck fellas.

>>5182608
legs are super long compared to torso too

I think I'll just start throwing dice to decide what to practice each day instead of drawing random things and deciding what looks worse in them.

>>5182570
the way she's carrying that dragunov looks wrong.
also usually the scopes aren't really attached to the gun out of comfort. they're usually removed and placed somewhere else, etc like a container.

>>5182784
I think the shadow is too much to the left instead of behind the ball

Can anyone point out how i'm shading this figure wrong? Every time I practice, I feel like i'm getting something off on the form, but can't pinpoint what it is exactly.

>>5182888
You're placing shadows randomly without putting enough thought into the underlying forms of the figure you're drawing. Here the light generally seems like it's coming from above and to the left, but (all directions below are our pov not the figure's):

- right "ear", the crease has shadow as if light coming from bottom left
- right arm has shadow as if light is coming from right
- tits have shadow as if light is coming from above (right boob should be in more shadow than left boob)
- left leg has shadow as if knee is indented into the leg, when in reality it should be catching light
- left calf is shaded as if light is coming from below front instead of having the right side shaded and left side in light

Do some more exercises with primitive shapes, cubes, cylinders, spheres. Then move on to more complex shapes: two joined cylinders, a sphere connecting two boxes. These are the underlying forms of the figure (leg is two cylinders connected with a sphere).

You're not far off. You just need to think harder about where you're placing what because mistakes in shading make it seem like the figure is inconsistent/wrong.

>>5182888
>>5182900
The method I found best to get a better feel of where shadows lie is to do the opposite of what "common practice" tells you. Instead of drawing shadows, cover the entire figure in shadow and then slowly erase away where you think the light should fall. It'll help you avoid making mistakes like instinctively shading that crease "because that's what creases look like, right?"

Do this a few times (after doing that primitive forms thing I mentioned) and you'll start getting much better at it.

>>5182685
Based

Starting using bridgman method, the poses got better but I am still beg. Any critique on this? Those below are copy from Bengus art using the loomis method. The copied body is from slugbox

>>5182685
That sounds like one of those things martial artists say to their students to fuck with them when they ask dumb questions.

>Loomis-sensei, how do I draw faster ?
>Go stand in traffic, and draw the cars in one point perspective, and leave when you're done
>How do I not get hit by cars, sensei
>draw faster

i wanted to have a go at drawing latex but im not sure how convincing it is.

I like how learning non figure drawing stuff feels so easy in comparison. You have to put in so many hours to get to the point that you can draw a figure that doesn’t look like complete trash but then if you want to draw a turtle or something you can just do that almost effortlessly with reference. Learning to draw a turtle is so different from the human figure but it feels so much easier to get a satisfying result, it’s almost like a freebie

>>5182954
after the most heterosexual google images search ever, I think you're supposed to add some shiny wrinkles around the joints

>>5182950
>run down to the shop and pick up a glass hammer for me

>>5182900
Wouldn't the far right of the right ear have some shadow on it, or a crease catch lighting? I know some lighting would fall on the right arm, but with the ears and leg I played it by ear based off what i've seen before.

Shade tubes, boxes, and pyramids in perspective before conjoining them?

>>5182904
ear crease isn't supposed to be shaded?

How do I paint leather? I see people often use primary colors mottled on leather, but I can't seem to make that work. I'm having a hard time with texture in general.

>>5182913
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO why the 6 asses

>>5183057
cannot unsee now LOL XD

>>5183057
Triple poopa

>>5182556
What should I draw out the window and sun roof?

60-second poses for 40 minutes. Am I gesturing properly? I'm hoping a lot of this I'll pick up with continued practice but it feels like for at least half the poses I'm flailing my arms around trying to figure out the line of action and convey the "flow", it feels like whenever I do decently it's on accident despite my efforts.

>>5183116
you FUCKER how the fuck dare you to do this

i been here for 5 MONTHS trying to make this happen i dont see ANY progress and you think you will TRY to come here and FUCK me up like this???

NOBODY CAN MAKE IT
everyone will eventually perish anyways so even those who fucking do make it will be gone within the blink of times eye

FUCK you and FUCK this

>>5183204
Time to log off lads he’s here

>>5183204
*pees in your face*
poopee!!!

>>5183204
for fucks sake not another sneed thread

>>5183099
same thing we draw in every thread, pinkie.
booba.

>>5181225

Gave it another shot, he stays a long nosed boy. Planes of the head next

>>5183230
i dont hate it. i just wish youd learn how to focus your camera.

>>5183204
What the fuck you're not me?
>>5183208
hE'S NOT ME

>>5183230

drew some sacks

>>5183230
>>5183244

I know that i should probably give up for now and grind fundies/learn the planes, but i feel that I need to keep doing this until it somewhat resembles the reference or I go insane

>>5183291
Forgot new pic

>>5183244
>polygonal faces
>lighting not applied evenly within each one
we've been had

Any Critters will be appreciated.

give only input on shading/tone and not on head construction/proportions pls

>>5183434
Why the PlayStation one screen cap file name
>>5183296
Little better, needs more forehead

>>5183441
It got named by the Photoshop express app.

Where can I post my bad art online?

I just want something where a random person can accidentally open my drawing and go "Huh?" for half a second and then click off. That'd be perfect, that's what I'm looking for.

>>5183434
beg here, I can't tell if it is inside the hole or just in front of it. I think it is because they don't cast shadow on each other.

>>5183204
I don't get it.

>>5183441
Yeah, the nose was too long in the old versions. But now I see that the forehead was also too short in the older ones, instead of moving the lower nose part up, I should have moved the eyes down.

>>5183450
I don't have a good suggestion for you anon , but I do think that your art looks really cool

>>5183460
Thanks anon. This effect was kinda intended but I do think it would look better if the subject cased a shadow on the wall .

Any feedback on this design?

>>5183477
The box behind it's head seems unbalanced.

>>5183476
thanks anon, I love your drawing as well <3
Morbid stuff is truly wonderful

>>5183477
Looks way too similar to gundam Zaku. Change the silhouette.

>>5183437
You need to not be scratchy with your tones. Place them solidly, get a general 4 values down. Blend and detail afterwards. You are too bogged down in detail and it is making you suffer. Simplify first, then detail after. It will look and feel much better.

>>5183477
>>5183486
It looks more like the lovechild of a Votom, Zaku and Sumo.

>>5183488
>>5183437

See: >>5183201
This is what I mean by simplifying into a few solid tones first, before worrying about detail.

>>5182784
>>5182811
Left shadow must be larger if light is from the Sun or spot light. Also highlight might be lower but it's to hard to compute for my RTX. Just google the ref. My current laboratory hasn't equipment enough for experiment.

>>5183488
>>5183516
ty anon

Should I use beg or pixel gen if I'm a beginner doing pixelshit?

Hey this is just me practicing but can I get a critique of how I'm doing please?

>>5183204
Thanks i think?

>>5183568
Ignore him, he's mad he got banned from r*ddit due to milking the learnart community for puty party attention instead of taking legitimate advice that would help him. He does the same here. When you recognize his art or commenting style, ignore him completely. Children should not be rewarded for throwing tantrums.

>>5183583
But that's not me, my gestures are better now I think
>>5183568
That's not me anon, are you using Proko?

>>5183622
I am using Proko.

Here's a sketch I've been working on. I'll finish it and do the linework after I get some sleep. But before that I want to make sure nothing is too broken with it. I already have some ideas about what I can improve but I'd like a second opinion. Any critiques?

>>5183583
Also, I have a very distinct speaking pattern, that guy is not me, he's some copycat with no personality.
If you ignore me I'll fuck you like an animal
>>5183625
Yeah, that's very evident, keep up the practice anon. Try to imply volume by using contours, some of your gestures are lacking communication there and btw, how are you going to solve the "awkard" poses problem?

>>5183631
ngmi

>>5183630
I don't think they're stable, the guy at the back is leaning too far given where the supporting leg is.

That would work on a moving scooter though

Figure drawing practice, how is it going? How can I improve?

>>5183655
I know theyre unfinished I just dont know what to do next other than the eviston thing, inner details, locate and trap shadows and then shading, as you know, im having issues with shading

I mean, am I doing it right? I feel I am, these ones >>5183622
dirty lines, messed up process, i feel like im getting the hang of the procedure

anyone have any other methods of constructing the torso masses? im doing steve huston's course and so far the torso is the hardest thing for me
so far ive tried:
* gesture line + bean
* bean
* rib cage + bucket shapes
* 2 lines + center line
* robo bean
each one took around 2-3 minutes
so far ive seen the most success using just the proko bean

>>5183649
Yeah my idea was that they're in the middle of a power slide. I might have to give the rear character long hair to better convey the fact that they're in motion.

>>5183664
Huston, huh? Is it /beg/ friendly? Required reading before attempting?

>>5183655
>>5183661
focus on proportions

>>5183661
mmmmmmmm ahhhhhhhhh BOOTA HOT DOGA WHOOPS

>>5183678
Thanks but hm how do you do that? Find the midpoint first? I can't do that I mean, how? do you like get the idea

>>5183676
im doing his video course "art anatomy for beginner" its great and ive learned a lot so far, but the torso is really giving me a hard time

>>5182712
Your writing is illegible

>>5183706
i think it says
"20 on the hot one!"
"which one is the... wait, we should stop this!"
"you afraid of loving leid?"
"looks like i'm loving sonething (sic) today, all night."

back to boring humans for 228

>>5183622
You're actually practicing? Hell yeah glad to see it. Yes, you are improving. Keep it up man, you're on the right track.

>>5183556
Depends on what your issue is. /beg/ for fundies, pixel for specifically pixel techniques you have trouble with. You could always post in one and link to the post in another.

>>5183664
The lines paired with the bean or shapes is the way to go.

Would appreciate if someone could redline this.

>>5182888
This isn't related to your shading question but I can see your lines are a little jagged. Next time just put down the color without actually paying mind to the shape, and instead of drawing out the shape try carving it out with your eraser. If you have one line try to get it in one stroke

Is there a good way to find the new vanishing points for something when it is at a different angle not lined up with the horizon? Pic related kinda captures what I'm talking about but I pulled the new vanishing points out of my ass.

How is my Loomis

>>5183828
Finish your looigi and post it, fren.

Hello. Do you have any tips on drawing cubes and cylinders?

>>5183833
DRAW
OUT
THOSE
VANISHING POINTS!

How should I start learning shading? Ive done regular still lives of geometric shapes, basic light studies, and thats really it.

>>5183845

aye, lad. will do and thanks

5 Minute figures.
How am I doing?

>>5183801
you would shift the vanishing points for their respective sides up and down accordingly. hopefully pic related explains what I'm trying to say. also, the box once rotated would be in 3 point perspective but I forget how to locate the 3rd vanishing point.

>>5183684
Measure the height of her head and then compare it to things. At 2 heads down this thing lines up or her shoulders are x heads wide, etc. Proportions are just measuring the body using something like a head or an eye as your measuring stick.

Go look at any figure drawing book, loomis, hampton, huston, they usually will speak about proportions.

>>5183801
>but I pulled the new vanishing points out of my ass.

this is what you do, you just pick 1/2/3 points and the shape must adhere to it, think about in real life when you move a dice around in your hand, when you look at it, the vanishing point is just chaotically rotating in a 3dspace every second

>>5183801
I took notes on this from marshalls perspective lecture!
I really recommend giving it a listen, the one from 1994

>>5183801
Yeah you draw a straight line vertically that lines up with your flat vanishing points, and draw the tilted horizon line according to where you want those to be. After that you know what to do. Draw a box in perspective.

>>5183099
Inked it

>>5183874
they still look pretty stiff, anon, exagerate the pose, the curve and the forms
keep it up, they look better tho

Any artists here want to collaborate on a short comic (and if we work well together continue it)?

I'm a writer and I'd love to work on a fun comic with someone. I would actually prefer an artist who's art is very amateurish, like One Punch Man's webcomic art (pic related).

I have about a half dozen strong ideas to pitch. If interested message me and we can chat about it on discord or something.

>>5183995
Sent ;)

>>5183995
Anon you just reworded "does anyone want to work for free for me while I write things"
Pitch me your plot idea.

>>5184010
Sure, happy to do so in private.

I took like a month hiatus from drawing after getting frustrated at trying a difficult perspective from imagination. Back at it as of yesterday and trying out some highlighting and a more finished sketch.

Anyone here a Lenore simp?

>>5184025
Give discord

>>5184049
jh6#4766

>>5183244
Where do I get this?

>>5183437
The head construction and proportions are terrible, anon.

>>5183116
Think of each drawing as an interpretive design, think of the the melodic quality of lines in relationship, interpret the reality into a rhythme of line, think like that and you will make progress.

>>5184084
Sent you a request on the account I use for JOI
>>5184088
That's just an asaro/loomis head app. I bought a year license of it for like 8 bucks for convenience.

>pain

>>5183661
An attempt was made.

Alright, /beg/. Random guy here. Whenever I have free time I sometimes come here and answer questions and provide critique, so go ahead and hit me with any question related to art or drawing you'd really like answered.

You got something you need an answer to, I've got them for you.

>>5184215
Cool can you post some of your artwork

>>5184221
No, we're not playing that meme game. You either have real questions and care about answers, or you're shitposting. There is no in-between.

Now ask a real question.

I think I'm missing a part of my brain
I can't grasp perspective
I dont undertsand
why

>>5184225
So you're a larping bitch then

>>5184234
You're trying to start with a shape and then add in a vanishing point grid after, which is fruitless. You're allowed to put a vanishing point template down and work on top of that, you know.

>>5184237
Yes, you got it. You uncovered my secret. Now go tell all your friends.

>>5184225
could you please post your work

>>5184250
Extra special, just for you. Here's a belt buckle. You are now required to grovel at my feet.

Seriously though, you people are actually retarded.

>>5184258
Why are you crying for attention in the /beg/ thread, go to /b/ or something

>>5184264
You could have been a professional artist by now, but instead you're shitposting. Is this how your parents wanted your life to turn out?

>>5184267
stop projecting

>>5184243
how does that help
i'm perspectively challenged
i don't understand how that helps

Absolute beginner here. I am copying references from sight (and upside down) but I seem pretty shit at judging length of lines. Stuff like hair will end up way longer than intended and once the shapes in a face fall into place things often end up pretty mismatched. This is normal, I assume? Anything specific to consider to fix this other than copying from sight more?

>>5184287
You need to post your work and reference anon

>>5184284
I have no idea what the actual fuck you are attempting to accomplish. It's not a complicated subject. Are you making this in MSPaint?

Every plane lines up with the vanishing point. That's the entire rule. You're "challenged" because you're not doing anything, you're just making random lines.

>>5184287
I mean, the simple question is; Are you actually making any effort to try and measure or keep your lines consistent? Or are you just moving you pretending to look at the reference and then just doing whatever after? You're allowed to actually spend time observing the relationships between details of your reference, where things start and end, how close or far they are away, etc. You're allowed to take actual measurements. You're allowed to look as many times as you need before making a mark. You're allowed to use a grid to help measure things. So if you have many tools available, why use none of them?

>>5182556
Am I doomed to be forever /beg/?

>>5184234
you start with a scene in 1-3pt, then add vps as needed

I failed again, can someone give me something to draw?

>>5184297
You're stuck in symbol drawing mode, not actually drawing what you're looking at. Stop, rewind, go back to the fundamentals because you've skipped past all the basics of form, perspective, pen control, and basic observation, which means that if you continue without these you're only going to ingrain bad habits.

>>5184306

>>5184306
taylor swift

How do I get over the feeling that I'm not learning anything?

>>5184332
Take a look back on your work from a few months ago and compare to to your recent artwork, if you truly don’t see a different then take a break and keep practicing tomorrow

>>5184307
i was working from reference and I was trying to 'feel the form' so to speak. anything you can recommend?

>>5184338
>>5184325
>>5184314
don't feed the schizo

>>5184339
literally run cross-contours over everything you do. Just making a habit out of that will get you drawing more dimensionally in no time. The cross-contours will disappear once you ink the sketch, but in the sketch you should do it as much as possible.

>>5184343
sounds good to me, and definitely good practice to straighten up my lines. Thanks!

posting my shit here so i can get attention (people making fun of me is still attention)

i was learning loomis before but i started to forget because it's been so long... i need fundamentals but art books are so damn dry

guess that stuff was starting to click so i should go back to it. i have so much trouble seeing things in 3d

>>5184107
oh thats lovely anon
only now ive noticed some major fuckups in mine oh wellll
>>5184341
the third one is not me
heres a song for you chile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWtfOHBF1_w

>>5184350
refs

>>5184352
Is that a half-white on the right?

>>5184356
That is called a tranny, probably a jannie.

>>5184365
Wrongo.

>>5184368
I see a peepee on the thumbnail, nice try.

Someone told me to just draw, so I did

>>5184350
You should work more on perspective and measurement before you tackle construction. Those boxes won't help you if they're out of proportion.

Computer illiterate here. Is there a huge difference when it comes to monitor colors.
Like, will there be a huge difference if I just set my monitor to its factory settings and painted under the assumption that my colors are going to be fairly accurate when I send it into the internet tube for other people to see? Or do I need to buy a specialized monitor for that kind of shit?

>>5184339
>anything you can recommend?
Yes, I recommend actually spending time observing the reference and then trying to put exactly what you see onto the page. Start actually trying to represent real forms and actually caring about the marks you make. Right now you're not paying attention and you don't care, you're just hoping that if you race through it, it's another "practice" done and you can move on.

You're not making any effort to overcome the symbol-drawing hurdle. You're letting your brain take over and replace what's really there with a snapshot of what you think you're seeing. Start actually trying to recreate each line, use contours and define the forms. And do it again and again until you either get so fed up of failing that you do it correctly out of spite, or you give up.

How is mine? Started to seriously practice just recently and this is the best one I have made so far.

>>5184390
oh god yes i'm cumming ahhhhhhhhh

>>5184090
better than anything you'll ever draw in your life.

>>5184098

>>5184385
good advice, anon. i didn't think that i was racing through to finish, but that's why i came here; to get a fresh perspective

>>5184403
Bro, look at what you did for the neck vertebrae and tell me you weren't racing through and gave up.

>>5184405
i gave up on the neck vertebrae, you're right. my main focus was the ribs

>>5184390
oh god yes i'm coomming ahhhhhhhhh

>>5184390
What is your goal? Because if it's just to make wonky cartoon people, then I guess you're on the road there. But if you're actually trying to draw real human beings, I think you need to study construction and anatomy and stop symbol drawing.

>>5184407
Here's something you probably won't hear because I only ever learned this when I took my first life drawing class in college; Your picture is "done" when it's actually done. Lose the whole mindset of "I'm just drawing this one part, the rest doesn't matter." If you're drawing a live model or a still-life, or whatever else, you draw the model and what's around it. Because even if you say "Well I only like/want to/need to draw this part, not that part", then you're going to end up as some asshole who can't ever finish a picture.

Real learning starts when you're done with the fun stuff and you have to work on the shit you don't like. The backgrounds, the small details, the stuff your brain tries to shut out. Working on that, and forcing yourself to grind through it and actually finish, is how you learn.

So that's the point. You're not done until you're actually done. So either finish, or don't start.

How do I draw contours from a real life reference?

>>5184234
1. Use a ruler
2. Whats the fucking point of the red lines going to the vanishong point if you arent going to follow them, you ding dong.

Try drawing railroad tracks in 1 point perspective.

>>5184416
You feel the form

>>5184415
alright! thanks for the advice man. I will continue to plow through even if I don't like it. I want to be better.

>>5184416
The same way you draw the lines. Those don't exist on your reference, yet you manage to draw them because your brain can pick out edges. So you need to make an effort to understand planes too.

Literally just draw a curve. If it doesn't look right, then do it over. Your brain already has this info naturally, you just need to represent it.

are you guys able to hold images in your head for longer than a second?
most of the things I imagine are made up of single-color lines and rarely materialize as something with a lot of texture and color in my head
is this a form of aphantasia

>>5184441
imagination/visualizing is a skill, unless you have complete and total aphantasia as in a total inability to imagine anything, you can train your ability to visualize/imagine things just by taking lots of time practicing it

>>5184441
I can hold them in my head for a while, I just can't focus on any of the details without the picture vanishing. Like, I can imagine a person, what clothes they're wearing, and the color of their shirt and pants. But if I try to focus on something like their eye color or what their shoes look like, the picture vanishes.

>>5184441
No because I'm still learning human anatomy and gesture still

>>5184441
I wouldnt know. I can't imagine anything.

Be glad you have any amount of imagination and use it to your advantage. If you have some you can probably work on strengthening it

>>5184415
Based and gmi pilled advice. This guy knows the secrets.

>>5184441
If I stop to think about it, it's rare I ever actually visualize a whole drawing at all, but usually I'll just get an idea for some interesting pieces initially, sometimes specific and sometimes abstract. But what I initially imagine and what ends up on the paper are rarely close because honestly the actual image in my head is irrelevant. What is important is that I can break it down into actual information and then use that information to inform my pen as I try and convey it on paper.

But more often than not I'm doing any "conceptualizing" as I work. I may have a vague direction to go in, but most of the time I'm just making marks and shapes in a certain direction and letting myself find interesting ideas to pull out of those and flesh out. You don't need to picture a drawing "with color and texture" because you have the ability to work that stuff out later.

>>5184448
That's actually just how human brains work. There was a meme going around 4chan a while back about "lol who can't picture an apple in their head lol", but the actual fact is your brain just isn't meant to materialize detail like that. Our brain is wired for concepts and general ideas that we can easily model, but stuff like fine detail and specifics are not actually things we're built to be able to pull up like a photograph in our heads. Generally, the only time your brain can actually build granular detail is when it's prompted by some sort of stimuli (usually visual) so it can just take that and slot it in.

>>5184425
do you draw the lines first or the contours?

>>5184460
>black canvas
Why.

>>5184460
ah fuck, that's some pussy

>>5184460
The lines. Contours are a tool for understanding form.

Also, what is your fucking hurry, my guy? It's not a race, you can slow down and actually put a little but of effort into your lines. You're not accomplishing or learning anything by just drawing random squiggles and scribbles and hoping that it looks kinda sorta like a contour. You're not attempting to convey any information or recreate an image, in fact if someone showed me this I'd say that they're more interested in pretending to learn to draw than to actually do it.

>>5184465
better?

>>5184469
>clip studio paint
Come on, dude. You're better than this.

>>5184467
i was trying to draw discs to feel the form, i didn't get that they were meant to be drawn along the outside of the shapes, i get it now. but i don't see how that helps to feel the form

>>5184469
I'm asking you why, not rating you

>>5184475
it's just easier on my eyes. i should probably use grey, if anything

>>5184474
>i didn't get that they were meant to be drawn along the outside of the shapes
...the fuck did you think a contour line was?

>>5184480
enough talk, faggot. PYW

>>5184460
>>5184469
>>5184484
I was going to say this was a shitposter, I guess I was right.

>>5184487
I was not the asshole who asked you to post your work. I may seem bad enough to be a troll but I'm not a dickhead.

Looking at beg a few times a day for the past few weeks, how come so many people are extremely touchy?

>>5184480
Bro you fucking killed him

>>5184484
>waah my incompetence was called out my feewings are hurt! P-pyw, faggot!
Why are crabs like this
Go draw

>>5184492
i think it's the little voice inside them that knows they're ngmi.

I'm so hungry

>>5184492
Begs get frustrated and shit up the thread by taking it out on others.

I don't understand why they can't just fuck off in another thread or board if theyre going to be toxic. Even wild animals don't shit where they eat and sleep

They never learn

>>5184492
I enjoy helping actual beginners who really, earnestly want to learn but the problem is most people on /ic/ are shitposters and they want to mask the fact that they can't grow or improve by wasting other people's time. For a lot of people on the board, it's probably a combination of being sad they aren't out there making money or getting popular and every time they post something it gets crapped on, so they turn into bitter narcissists.

>>5184499
I think they do typically fuck off if they're very crabby when receiving a little criticism or passive aggressive comment

>>5184499
I am the beg. I don't get why people get so defensive either. Insecurity I guess? I just want to get better and I am kind of incomprehensibly bad because I have no natural talent or experience.

>>5184500
Understandable

>>5184497
I'm still hungry

>>5184375
This looks good man. The gestures are very expressive.

Try and do more action poses and facial expressions.

>>5184504
Keep working at it. It's ok to be turbo-beg, some people will think you're fucking with them, just take useful advice and work hard my brother

>>5183296
Slowly...

>>5184295
>Every plane lines up with the vanishing point.
Every parallel line has the same vanishing point*
The problem that anon is having that he is trying to force non parallel lines in to the same vanishing point. His pyramid is tilted, yet it is pointing it's base to same VP as the basic ground plane lines. If the lines are not parallel, but still at the same vertical angle, they have different vanishing points on the same horizon line. If the lines are pointing at different vertical angles (aka tilted) their vanishing point is below the horizon line (downward tilt) or above it (upwards tilt). If the object is tilted in both horizontal axis and vertical axis, it's VP moves respectively both in vertical axis and horizontal axis.
The 1-point or 2-point perspective system can be misleading because the true number of VPs is dependant on the number or differently angled objects that you need to have in perspective.

Practicing more figure drawing since it seems to improve a lot of my skill categories at once.

Also made a process image for any super early /beg/ viewers to show how rough a drawing can start.

>>5184841
It looks like than your block art relying on gesture proportions when gesture's goal is to show action first, not proportions. Am I wrong?

>>5184855
My impression is that there's a lot of ways people interpret gesture. I suppose my true first step towards gesture was the stick man within. Fair point.

>>5184838
Proportions are noticeably off. His right arm and left leg are too short.

do you develop a sense of how to copy the space relationships between things as you improve as an artist or is it something you're born with?

on the version i actually drew it's like i stretched it all out in my head apparently, it doesn't feel that weird as i'm drawing but when i'm done she's super wide and stretchy. does it get better over time or am i fucked?

I have a stand to prop my paper up on my desk. I've been practicing sighting angles on boxes I set up, but it just doesn't work for me. I don't fully extend my arm, since the drawing surface is too close to me.
What can I do differently? Any resources that helped you?

>>5184870
slow down and plan your lines more

Also one trick I learned from /ic/ is rather than judging in terms of rectangles, use triangles instead. For example rather than saying her head is half the height of her torso, visualize the triangle between her elbows and nose as an equilateral triangle. Something about using triangles instead is easier.

>>5184879
hmm, interesting! thank you for the advice, friend.

Hello. Something feels off about my line art, like it stands on it's own but coupled with colors it just doesn't match. Any advice? Thanks in advance.

>>5184892
yeah drawing inside the lines is a tough one

>>5184892
i feel like the lineart is nice, and the painterly style is nice, but the third version is the worst of both worlds. the lines just serve as a distracting outline around the pretty painterly stuff

sho bob open cloth now

>>5183564
that arm chest connection(his left) don't look right to me. also his deltoid is too big

Is it stiff?

>>5185017
Soft as a raw sausage, the tits are way too small

>>5184356
looks full white to me

>>5184375
now go improve your weak points!

>>5184379
another computer illiterate here. I think unless you are printing, it doesn't matter that much, because people will just see your art on their shit monitors anyway.

>>5184390
the face is weird, the boobies are fine tho

I want to make my OC look better but people say my anatomy still sucks. How do I cope? I started studying Bridgeman yeasterday

>>5185068
This is how they looked like before

>>5185034
That makes a fuckton of sense. Worse case, I can always deflect and say it looks great on my monitor.

>>5185072
hi gabe

>>5185068
>How do I cope?
If you can't construct anatomy from imagination just yet, take the tracing pill

>>5185068
her iliac crest is inflated

I can't get photoshop with like smoothing, what's the best digital alternative?

Practicing hands, I think I'll just do a dozen of them to find out why they always look off later

>>5184514
Thanks anon! I'm working on incorporating more "actiony" poses into my drawings but that task becomes tough with my limited ability to draw good folds. But I'm working on it!

>>5185031
I'm on it chief

>>5184841
This isn't bad, there's actual effort here which is laudable, and you've got lines and forms working well. However, I think a lot of what you're doing is on a shaky foundation, so your final product is being carried by the detail and not the strength of the anatomy under it.

Your "gesture" isn't really accurate and isn't capturing the weight and movement super well, and I think you could probably push your angles a little bit more. Really dig in and try and focus on the flexing, stretching, and extending. A gesture is supposed to capture the essential information about a pose, and this particular pose is 100% about that big, dramatic stretch of the torso/shoulder, so let that shine.

As far as your anatomy goes, I think you're missing the ribcage when trying to block in your sketch, which is why your torso ends up way too thick and not feeling flexed enough. It's ok if you have to exaggerate a little in order to sell your figure drawing.

Overall, you're fine with the end product, so just spend more time focusing on the underlying construction and your drawings will be really solid.

>>5184892
Pick one or the other. Either you care about the lineart, in which case you need to actually think about things like line weight, balance, and form, or you care about the color and value selling that stuff, in which care your lineart is secondary and just placing a thin 1px black line over a painting isn't going to do anything but get in the way.

>>5185017
Yes, but mostly you have a poor grasp of both anatomy and form. Stop, reverse course, and go back to basics. You need to start understanding forms in 3D before you can try and work with complex shapes like layered armor. That's why pretty much everything in your drawing is completely flat, as if it were 2D facing the camera, it has no form or perspective to it, because you don't understand how to do that yet.

So start from the beginning and work on your fundamentals. Learn how to understand objects in 3D, learn how to draw figures and anatomy, and then come back after all that.

>>5185068
It would help if you spent any time actually learning anatomy instead of just not doing it at all and then complaining that people told you it sucked. You're skipping past all of the basic fundamentals. Go back, work on your basics of perspective, form, and then anatomy and construction. You need to actually learn something, not just pretend.

>>5183905
Thanks anon
>>5183664
Tried this using my gesture method based on Nico and the bean + eviston, doing ok?
>>5184325
>>5184314
Will finish soon

>>5184903
I'd like to see you do better.
>Being distracted by a line
Please don't give me advice anymore.
>>5185201
>Line weight
>Mattering in non-anime style
Yeah I knew I shouldn't have asked this den of idiots for advice.

>>5185068
>OC
Holy shit is that anime glasses girl #40504324?!!?? Totally frickin' sweet!

>>5185072
Nobody asked

>>5185068
Don't use the phrase "OC" here please, thanks.

>>5185072
>Big paladin knight guy
>Shy and meek magic girl
>Edgy faced rogue girl with a troubled past
>Slim gunslinger man, likely has a nihilistic WICKED sense of humor
>Token gnome sized girl
These aren't OC

>>5185251
>>5185247
>>5185246
>>5185242
Reasons /ic/ is worse than /b/

What is the purpose of this >>5185239

Why even do this?

>>5185239
>>Mattering in non-anime style
yikes

>>5184098
this is going to my "pyw" folder.

>>5185258
I asked for advice, not people to shit talk my work. Some of us want to create our own characters rather than draw fanart all day long, and a lot of people here are triggered by that. Sorry to anyone I offended with my ideas, I'll post more 2B coom.

>>5185145
Krita has had lime smoothing since a few versions but I don't think people actually use it that much

Could someone hint me on why this looks odd, I've been trying to learn hands but they come off weird, especially the thumb. Thanks.

>>5185312
thumb is too long

>>5185307
Here's a (You). Now stop shitposting, your parents are embarrassed and ashamed.

>>5185307
Holy fuck you'd never survive in the art world if you can't take constructive feedback. No one was shit talking anything ya dumb fuck.

>>5184838
>>5184841
A lot of inaccuracies that added up together. Mainly caused by your subpar construction/block in phase.

His pelvis is small
His left foot is tiny
His right arm is short
His left shoulder is small
Failed foreshortening on right leg.

Block in the big shapes while only paying attention to size and angle. Use plumblines for vertical and horizontal comparisons if needed.

Good job regardless.

>>5184867
Thank you for your help.
>>5185195
Holy shit thank you so much for the thorough reply and for not just shitting on me. I'm glad /ic/ still has a few people like you. So if I understand correctly, I need to exaggerate the lines of action to get a more dynamic pinch/pull at the midsection. And also be more intentional about the ribcage placement at block in to help my proportions and pose?

>>5185328
>>5185323
Cry more while I continue working.

>>5185332
Thank you for your eyes. A lot of this I hadn't even noticed! I'll try to be more precise in the future. With respect to the failed forshortening, is the problem that the angle of the line at the top of the thigh is not dropping steeply enough? And is the pelvis too small lengthwise or widthwise? It almost seems too large widthwise, which in turn makes it appear too small lengthwise. Thank you again.

I can't focus I can't focus on drawing and the ones I did ended up as a failure, how can I focus?

>yet another/beg/ going nuclear
Such is the case

>>5185372
I've had to get rid of any ego I have toward art if I want to improve. Otherwise it's just too painful to keep failing. Shit drawings are the key to making it. That helps me focus a little.

>>5185380
No it's not about failure right now, it's about energy and the fact that I can't focus, one minute im drawing and the next im speeding on my room and im somewhere else so i sit back and do some lines and now im on another place, i cant focus right now

>>5185383
Oh. I can't say I've ever had that issue. Could you have ADHD?

I fucked up the lighthouse and t swift drawings, will try them again
>>5185388
I prefer to draw at night or late because this happen less but that's no way to study
fuck, I can even feel my teeth it's like vibrations all over anon

>>5185398
turbo time

>>5185398
>I prefer to draw at night or late because this happen less but that's no way to study
I have the same problem. Too many distractions during the day, I can only do creative shit at night. But then that ends up causing problems in my daily life because I'm up until 3AM drawing and writing but still have to be at work at 9AM.

some days i draw good other days i really cant draw for shit...

>>5185409
Looks like today is a good one!

>>5183204
I kneel

Where to get references for figure drawing?

>>5185371
Quick fix with PS.

Pelvis is small length wise, torso is a bit wide.
As for the foreshortening, the problem is mainly with the knee/quad and lower leg, they were not properly in perspective and didn't have proper volume.

The differences are tiny but when working on more difficult poses these differences matter.

>>5185354
>So if I understand correctly, I need to exaggerate the lines of action to get a more dynamic pinch/pull at the midsection. And also be more intentional about the ribcage placement at block in to help my proportions and pose?
The torso is the building block of anatomy and pose, everything centers on it. It's where the most dynamic and active muscles of the body are, and so getting it right is going to help you in the long run.

You're looking at the whole figure, but you're not breaking it down into it's component parts which means you're losing a lot of the underlying anatomy and it's causing your forms to drift. Try and keep things tighter, and really feel where the push, pull, and stretch is in your figure. Don't be afraid to exaggerate with your forms, if the figure has a big stretch to it, push it even farther and really let yourself understand the mechanics behind it.

On this figure you can clearly see where the ribcage pushes out against the serratus muscles and there's a lot of pull and stretch in that side. Focus on the big shapes and angles, and you can spend all the time you want polishing and detailing after.

Remember that a sketch may look quick and rough, but that doesn't mean it should be lazy and you can fix all your mistakes in rendering. Get it right first, so your rendering can just be relaxed.

I'm having trouble articulating myself properly to get an answer out of google, but is there a way to make it so that the eraser in photoshop is as thick as the reticule makes it out to be?
I don't mind the whole pressure sensitive bit with the brush tool, but all I want from the eraser is to wipe out chunks on a flick of the wrist.

>>5185460
You could just...use a brush with no pressure settings.

>>5185460
Are you looking for flow or opacity?

>>5185467
They're both set to 100%
>>5185465
How do I do that? I'm just using the default brush because I'm still in my loomis stage.

>>5185465
>>5185467
Nevermind, I got it. I went to the brush window and just turned off every setting. It now erases as much as a mouse flick does.

>>5185477
what are you working on? :D

>>5185481
Mannekin drills, I can't say I'm as dilligent as I should be, but I try to put 30 mins a day into drawing.

How do you freehand ovals?

>>5185644
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hCYfBvmeos

>>5185438
Ah, I see! The changes do make a substantial difference, especially when viewing them near each other. Thank you for taking the time to make an edit. It's one thing for me to know what's wrong, but a completely other thing for me to exactly how to fix it!
>>5185453
I think I had severely underestimated the importance of the torso. From what your diagram shows and some other material I've seen since the drawing, it seems that a lot of the dynamism in a pose comes directly from this spot. I'm gonna try to push the torso gesture further from now on and really pay attention to the underlying forms. Your reply was very helpful; thank you agan!

>>5185434
stock photos, quickposes.com, or straight up porn.
stuff like bangbros, Nacho Vidal, or suspension fetish videos to grind weird poses, expressions and unusual camera angles not covered by most reference sources.

You don't even have to pay for the stuff, the teasers those guys put on pornhub have all you need.

>>5185239
I said your stuff looked nice and tried to help you figure out what wasn't working and you shit on me for it? Goodness, friend, who hurt you?

>>5185704
the problem with porn is that the girl is never alone and the guy is in the way not to mention the bad lighting


google images: nude models, hot nude girls/teens posing and shit like that usually pull ups good shit like pic

>>5185785
coom

>>5185753
>who hurt u??!
Fucking kill yourself, Twittercuck

>>5185312
Hiyo, I think an issue here is that you are trying to draw a symbol of a hand, break down the hand into simplier shapes and try deisgining other shapes to fit your hands. Hands can be really just 3 triangles, show expressivness and form with your hands. Details come next, watch prokos and sinix videos on hands and just a draw a ton. You don't need to be a galeek or pencil wizard b4 you draw simple hands. Shaveesh and good luck my friend, may the hands ever be in your fortune.

>>5185788
>abs
HOT DOGA

Left or right

>>5185950
Right I guess? I don't see any difference aside from some marks on the balls.

>>5185965
Slightly different colors, most noticeable with the clothing . Maybe I'll go left

>>5185950
Color-wise? I prefer the left one.

>>5185950
Left with the hair color of right.

So is /ic/ meant more for professional artists instead of just drawfags? I swear most of the stuff I see in this thread looks far beyond what I would consider "beginner" level.

>>5185950
Right
im gonna coom

>>5186076
nice

>>5186052
we're all not gonna make it
good luck
>>5186076
can you draw a girl frog?

>>5186080

>>5185788
damn she got some nice wide hips

>>5186113
>>5186080

>>5186052
What? People have different standards of what a beginner is, yours must be low

What differentiates beg from int?

So... How'd I do with this ball?

>>5186180
FUCK! I forgot to resize it...

>>5186180
Ball looks ok. Shadow on the ground is completely fucked.

>>5186179
/beg/ = takes criticism badly, says something off in their art is their style often
Int = handles critique well, assess the most helpful information given and takes action to improve their art based on feedback

>>5186052
Everything looks pretty beginner to me. What doesn't?

Is this the correct way to blend with the smudge tool? Lay down the shadow, pull the shadow into the light area, and then up and down to blur ut

>>5186203
It feels like mixing mud when I try to blend. Is that normal?

>>5186180
why no highlight

>>5186268
It's matte

>>5186183
Understood

>>5186297
are you sure or are you just making that up?

>>5186303
I swear that's what I was going for. I've done metal (big fail), cloth (same result - fucked shadow), and regular (pass).

>>5186203
No you should blur not smudge

>>5186173
>>5186198

I thought these look pretty good:
>>5182913
>>5182570 (front views at least)
>>5183047
>>5183434
>>5183477
>>5183918
>>5184297
>>5184338
>>5184838
>>5184892
>>5185008
>>5185072
>>5185950
>>5184048

Perhaps it's because I'm still stuck on trying to get out of symbol drawing, but all the pics I linked are like 100 times better than anything I can do.

>>5186352
Those are all different flavors of beg

>>5186113
>>5186151
just saw it, cool
boobs kind of on the small side though
:(

>>5183944
This background is disgusting. I just don't have any ideas for what to put there. And it bothers me how short I made her torso.

>>5183116
>7000x7000

Damn anon
(Btw looks decent enough for me for a 60 sec bass gesture drawing)

>>5186338
How do you do that?

How bad is it?

I made some polish on the lineart, followed the advice to draw thicker lines where shadows or lines intersect, and varied a bit the width as well,
How is it going?

>>5186424
Previous post

>>5186352
Some of those are real turds, but this might be a bit more impressive of a thread than what's typical.

>>5186424
Vastly improved. Great work, anon.

What should I draw? Practice bodies or finish that swift thing, I had a comic about her being hypercapitalistic by refusing to give people refunds to a concert but I dont know
I messed up a lot of things and I was trying to draw like someone else so I dont think it counts
>>5184314

>>5186501
I like some rocks but the building is off, yeah I fucked up that perspective by not using it

>>5186501
>>5186503
Have I failed again?
>Not like I'm COUNTING THE (MONTHS)
>BUT IT'S BEEN FIVE
YOURE OUT THERE KILLIN THE GAME
BUT DAMN, I MISS YOU TONIGHT

>>5186501
Ya did good.

I get a little LONELY
GET A LITTLE MORE CLOSE TO ME
YOURE THE ONLY WHO KNOWS ME BABE
SO HOT YOURE HURTING MY FEELINGS
CANT DEAL
>>5186512
bUT I could do better
No
I should
anon give me something to draw please and a time limit, im not used to independent thought right now

>>5186522

fIGURE dRAWIng iT is Then
>>5186524
aPOLOGies Ill decline that one, too complex

>>5186529
it's simple

>>5184352
Tried this one using Eviston's method for figure drawing
HELP

>>5186573
Messed up the ass there's a twist on it and I drew it straight, proko bean could have helped, oh well
FUCKING MORON
I forgot that Im the one tilting their head not her, messed up that (I keep forgetting my body when I draw)
Ahhhh SO THATS why things are leaning,
FAILURE
complete failure

Time for another episode of "I spent the last two weeks staring at a blank canvas and this is all I could draw".

On the plus side, visualizing 3D shapes is becoming easier. Gotta do some more tutorials.

are you supposed to use a big or small brush for painting?

What are the recommended beginner books? I read the sticky but I'm too shit for loomis yet

tried to draw pose from a slightly different angle than the ref
aside from the shit rendering, am I feeling the forms?
imagining and constructing things in 3d is still really hard for me, the underdrawing alone took like an hour.

>>5186645
wowwie you just completely gave up on her foot huh

>>5186620
You want to think big. Work out the large, important shapes you want to block in first and then get smaller when you're ready to work on the details.

Help me out bros. I'm trying to be as autistic as possible and measure everything properly to get my proportions right but something doesn't quite add up.
What's going on with the third set? I scaled everything based on the head, and so far it seems to be alright down to the nipple, navel, crotch and knees but the feet seem fucked up. Which diagram do I follow?

>>5186685
Not everyone has exactly the same proportions. IIRC 8 or more heads is idealized, most people have fewer. Loomis actually goes Into this in Figure Drawing for All it's Worth, the book you took the left image frome.

>>5186424
maybe it's just me but thsr looks like it could've come out of a published comic.
gj

>>5186685
>using some retarded old fart's book from 70 years ago for proportion reference
Lol

>>5186645
great job

>>5185068
>How do I cope?

just keep improving eventually you will get good

>>5185434
www.posespace.com/posetool/default.aspx

>>5185950
for me the differences are barely noticeable

>>5186179
the amount of mistakes

>>5186417
very bad

>>5186609
>I spent the last two weeks staring at a blank canvas and this is all I could draw
lack of creativity or fear of failure?

>>5186652
cute boy

Bought tablet on impulse, fiddled in ms paint. Best I can do. You think It has any potential?

new thread

>>5186954
>>5186954
>>5186954

>>5186721
drawing doesn't get out of date lol