/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKCCSgf5ehs

I love Ina!

>>5173421
Rotation table is this. You can find another or bigger in some guides or google. (But it's not super effective, it's better to use art you like as ref).
>>5173750
[mega] (方天戟) How to Draw - Sexy Girls

>>5174530
How is Ina so good, bros?

photo study painting warmup

>>5174705
The same answer as always, unironically Asian genes.

>>5174734
Does asian genes only apply to mainly Japan, China and Korea or all of Asia including countries like Kazakstan and Yemen?

>>5174677
Thanks friend. I'll check it out.

I was using the pin2d method, but I feel it's pretty vague in general. Then he did another video about drawing heads from different angles and it's even more intution based. I looked at mangamaterials who does the features first, and I think I've just confused myself completely. Time to return to basics.

>>5174734
How do you know shes Asian?

>>5174737
>Kazakstan
Yes
>Yemen
No
>>5174764
All of these girls have been leaked e-simp

>>5174530
>30 minutes to go from rough sketch to fully colored artwork
>Makes money playing vidya as well

god it really makes me feel worthless, I know I should not compared myself with her but...jesus

>>5174719

>>5174719
painting over is so easy compared to doing on my own

>>5175240
you say it's easy but the left eye is still sliding away from the face

>>5175248
paint over it so I can learn from you then

>>5175240
The way you did the nose and mouth makes it appear that the face is a bit to the right, but since you kept the left eye it place it seems out-of-place in relation to everything else

>>5175251
hey I was just trying to be constructive, don't say "ez" when the issues are quite glaring and visible, you need to be more critical of your stuff otherwise it's hard to improve

you are good at painting but you aren't good at observing, try to put your painting on top of the original and you'll see that the left eye is way off position, just move it a bit and it's perfect

>>5174530
Was Ina already popular on soc med? what was her blog before she became a vtuber?

>>5175256
so you weren't trying to mock me with an ironic comment with a stupid pic attached to it? thanks bro
And I said it was easy compared to doing it on my own, learn to read

>>5175321
well fuck you too then

I won't even say pyw, I'm in the wrong here by wasting my time in the crab bucket

ladies you're both beautiful

これ海外からやれる?
Any other jp-bros here? was wondering if anyone is planning on doing this here

>>5175321
chill bro chill

>>5175420
context

Any tips for drawing thing like handholding?

>>5175420
>>5175439
Kyoto University of Art and Design partnered with pixiv on a full online illustration course. I'm not a Japanese but here are some info that I get from the poster:

>No need to attend the school (full online)
>Possible to transfer (into the university department?) in the 3rd year? I could be wrong, maybe it's saying that 3rd year student in the Uni could transfer to this course.
>Annual fee is 323k yen / 3k USD
>Gets a 4-year university graduation qualification?

Now the part I'm not sure is, whether the course is 4-years, or it is just one year but you get a graduation qualification that is equal to people who attend uni for 4 years.

Any artbooks that teach how to draw shoujo style manga? Or are there mangas I can copy from? I don't read manga so I don't know which ones to look for but I want to draw the style.

Why are eyes do difficult to put in the correct place?

>>5175541
guideline

>>5175457
draw them alot until you get how it works
alternatively have a fetish for handholding to motivate your grind

>>5175439
>>5175503
https://tenohira.kyoto-art.ac.jp/illustration/
According to here it takes at least 2 years to complete the curriculum and graduate
Also supposedly you don't have to do the entire curriculum but can pick and choose courses, but not sure how tuition works for that and how much it costs

>>5175170
Asian genes. Sorry you lost the genetic lottery

fact: only ngmis unironically believe in asian jeenz

>drop Loomis so I can look after asian's secrets
>end up buying FDFAIW and DTHAH

>>5174705
She's a pro artist

>>5175862
This. It literally makes no sense. How does formulating lines on a paper have anything to do with genes if literally anyone with an arm is capable of drawing. Link a study proving me otherwise faggots.

>>5175240
>painting over is so easy compared to doing on my own
yeah, you have to break through the early and painful stages of a painting. they were the hardest part to get through for a long time because the painting looks like shit during most of it and only comes together in the last 10-20%. i did that as a 10-15 minute warmup to keep practicing first passes that set me up for the refinement stages. spending an infinite amount of time on details is easy. my goal for this was using less brush strokes to get an impressionistic painting of the original. the more i can solve early on and with few brush strokes, the easier it is later when i come back to refine edges and fix smaller problems with fresh eyes. i hate how inking feels digitally compared to traditional so i'm focusing more on figuring out my painting process.

painting over is much easier, i'd say focus more on the stages you dread. you have to be able to get yourself into and out of trouble by problem solving during the earlier stages. you seem alright with the refinement, you should probably focus on going from a blank canvas to a first or second pass to figure out what works for you.

>>5176030
I have the opposite problem, for me the fun part of painting is coming up with the design pretty much so once the basic shapes and colors are in i lose all interest in spending 200 hours adding details.

Maybe not the best place to ask, but any tips with dealing with perfectionism? I always catch myself wanting to redo small details, even with short practice sketches.

>>5176072
>but any tips with dealing with perfectionism?
zoom out and don't be a perfectionist because it doesn't matter.

>>5174734
>>5174737
>Outspeeds the other 2 Asians during the group draw.
Bros how do I raise my luck stat in the Q&A videos? I want answers to her art books but there's way too many non-art questions in those.

>>5174526
>gesture drawing with octopus
>she sometimes says this pose was bad
>my attempt looks like a 2 years old infants doodle compared to her bad attempt

HOW MANY YEARS UNTIL I CATCH UP I WANNA GET GOOD AND DRAW VTUBERS HENTAI

>Takodachis migrate to /asg/ after /jp/ got hollowed out by the debut of /vt/.

>>5175862
I still don't understand how people deny asian genes. I guess all the different cases of this we see every single day its just a massive coincidence

>>5176180
Does it really matter whether it's real or not? You should focus more on practicing than lamenting over genes, Snake.

>>5176295
It does matter a lot actually. Accepting its real would in turn allow people to understand the how and why. Denial keeps people in the dark chasing shadows and wondering why they achieve results several orders of magnitude less with thrice the effort

>>5176110
Stop watching vtubers and you'll improve

>>5176180
>There are no asian artits that are bad.

>>5176322
>>There are no asian artits that are bad.
So what? Not all black people can be good basketball players but black people overwhelmingly dominate the basketball scene.

stop replying to clear trolls and racebaiters. report them and ignore.

>>5176305
>with thrice the effort
Are we really putting in thrice the effort, though?

>>5176337
Yes actually. I have come to terms I cannot change my genes so hard work is the only path available to me but I dont like people denying reality. The reality is that asians are mysteriously overrepresented in actual good art (aka not bananas taped to a wall) this is a fact and also found in asian countries which are poor and have bad infrastructure/quality of life, such as most of SEA

>>5176347
Because first world places like europe and america have no work ethic drilled into them for artistic endevaours. There is an advantage growing up exposed to anime constantly from a young age as it does refine your aesthetics towards that more, and the culture emphasizes hard work, but there is no genetic component. If Asians had the genes to be physically competitive you'd see them dominate sports as well, it's just a different culture that drives them more.

>>5176412
None of what you said applies to the Philipinnes yet they do produce good artists as well.

>>5176328
Sounds like a culture and upbringing thing rather than a genes thing.

Am I anime enough?
Sorry for poor shading, I didn't study it deep yet.

>>5176328
>culture = genes
Get a load of this hombre

>>5176110
>>my attempt looks like a 2 years old infants doodle compared to her bad attempt
bargue plates

>>5175554
actually it's not the hand but I can't get the arms right, at least one of them always looks wrong.

>>5176180
>I still don't understand how people deny asian genes.
because the rest of us are learning and drawing fine, it's literally only (You) that's having a problem because you're making excuses for personal failures and a lack of understanding

nobody who can actually draw believes in asian jeenz

therefore, only ngmis believe in asian jeenz

>>5176552
>because the rest of us are learning and drawing fine
Bold claim, can you pyw to back it up?

>>5175321
>posts picture on an art critique board
>gets mad when criticized
why is /ic/ like this?

>>5175420
Wow id like to enroll in the one, I'm not really doing anything in the pandemic.
But my japanese sucks though, I'm barely n5.

Where do I learn how to colour

r8 my anime?

>>5176782
Raul, is that you?

>>5176041
i'm the same way. i have the ability to render but find it tedious beyond a minimal amount. my finished drawings are more like sketches and i'd like to try more finished work. my friends who spend 10-20+ hours on each painting wish they could consider a sketch "finished" like i can, i'd like to see how i could bring my drawings to a further stage of refinement. so i'm trying to take advantage of my weaknesses and use that to help me. like the 80/20 rule or pareto principle, i'm figuring out the least amount of work i need to do for the parts i hate the most.

the mindset i recognized was that i hate my options being limited. a sketch is great because there's so much you haven't committed yourself to. the further in the painting or drawing process, the less options you have and more effort it takes to change things. avoiding the effort is a form of procrastination for me that i just have to work through if i want to finish anything so i'm trying to set myself up for success.

>>5176777
Post your current work

>>5176796
WIP or finished work?

>>5176786
Hi babe. It's me, Raul.

I've been struggling so hard to become a great illustrator. I went through Proko, Sycra, Ethan Becker, all the Youtube stuff. Then I tackled Villpu, Hogarth, Bridgman.

I practice 16 hours a day, hoping that soon I'll have the talent to impress you. I'm gonna tackle this whole goddamned career. This whole damn planet just to convince you to show me that cunny... booba... foota... poopa haha i'm coming hot doga whoops!

>>5176809
Pic looks good. I'm glad you came back.

how did he do skirts patterns like this?

>>5176801
both sure, whatever you think is representative of your work to gauge what you know

>>5176786
No, this is Patrick. >: (

>>5176835
don't expect much I am pretty much /beg/

>>5176858
You learn to color by coloring from life. Stop drawing anime.

>>5176668
Is there really even a point to this? Even when people post the work of western professionals in this thread people lambast them for "not looking asian enough" despite having absolutely no way of actually dissecting the art in question to add substance to that claim.

You people are absolutely inconvincible. For whatever reason it's as if you people are determined to wallow in deterministic foolishness instead of actually learning to draw.

>>5176858
silly

>>5176860
life is not as saturated as anime though

>>5176864
Go stare at the sun.

>>5176860
Not him but this stop drawing anime business isnt the best of advice
How about stop learning from anime alone. Observe how lighting affects things IRL and apply it to your anime drawings.

>>5176868
how long

>>5176862
>because the rest of us are learning and drawing fine without asian genes
>nice can you show us?
>NO! HOW DARE YOU!
What's the matter? suddenly asian genes became way too real when asked to post work?

>>5176872
Until you die. You never stop learning. Study both anime and real life.

>>5176868
I reference real life stuff too, but how do I render them on the canvas

>>5176875
Anon, there are people in threads all around this one that are doing fine. Look around.

>>5176858
and what are your goals? the drawing is more of a problem than the colors.

>>5176860

fucking bullshit

>>5176882
Funny you mention it, the only ones doing well just happen to be Asian as well.

>>5176897
Yes, because I'm sure you've gone through /mmg/ and /alt/ asking if every poster with good art is asian. Sure. Okay.

>>5176007

Anybody can draw, but those closer to the main east asian countries; japan, china, korea just draw ANIME better. Those further from those asian countries just draw dogshit anime art, westerners. Even the ones from the west are still half asian more often than not.
Not fking van gogh or jogh singer sargeant painting shit, but anime art. They asians just do it better.

this thread...

>>5176826
A mix of texture pack and the transform/warp tool

>>5176901

not fucking good art, not just any art, ANIME ART. Lots of fking artist out there doing different types of art but asians just do anime art better. You wanna be good at anime art specifically you learn from the best; asian people with asian genes from asian countries.
Now its a damn shame neither of us here on this english speaking website understand any freaking japanese, korean, or chinese. Cause thats why were so fking bad at anime art
Now im not saying you should just fking give up cause you dont speak asian, cause you might as well die in a fking ditch right now but the sooner you realize this the better.
Asians just draw anime better, there are exceptions like any other things but they just do it better. Be it cause of cultural upbringing, language barriered resource, or whatever it doesnt stray the fact that they do anime art better. AsIAn gEneS is a big meme as any other but it holds some truth.

This guy I follow that did pic related is from latam and draws cute anime girls with a unique artstyle.

Is asian jeans the new argument of the month
I thought you fags would never move on to >loomis roastings

>>5176884
when did I say my drawing is already perfect

>>5176943
You know it's a meme but still go on and on about genes instead of saying culture.

>>5176943
>Now its a damn shame neither of us here on this english speaking website understand any freaking japanese, korean, or chinese. Cause thats why were so fking bad at anime art

Wait, so it's not the genes anymore? All these years, I could have just downloaded fucking Duolingo?

>>5176949
>pinoys have japanese culture

>>5176952

Yeah take 10 years to learn a new language and only then actually learn to do the art itself.
Might as well give up now right?

>>5176955
technically even s e asians including thai and singaporeans have better grasp on anime style than any other westerners because they grew up with anime shows during their childhood

>>5176955
>pinoys have have the same magic genes as japanese that lets them draw anime, no matter how genetically mutt they are.

How do people in this thread explain Tony Valente, LeSean Thomas, and the shitton of south americans that do in-betweening / sakugya freelancing

>>5176967
this is asg we're talking about

>>5176967

Animation aint the same thing

>>5176972
True. I guess I just want these people to relax and realize that none of this actually matters. They'd get much farther.

>>5176975
>Animation aint the same thing
>/asg/
>LeSean Thomas is also an illustrator
>Tony Valente is a manga artist anyway

Why are you so quick to launch into denial? Do you even know who these people are?

>>5176961
ahhhhh! this is like the perfect style I wanna draw like.

>>5176982

Any anime artist in there? Any anime illustrator in there? Any pixiv type shit that everybody on this board wants to achieve but they keep looking at artstation or some shit for some reason in there?.
I dont deny theyre great artist, in fact I can respect their craft even if I dont know who they are. But they do not do the twitter anime shit that everybody wants to do on this board. Quit looking at baseball when you wanna play football.

>>5177000
this is why foids will never be good at art.

>>5177005
whats a foid

>>5177010
a female human organism AKA a roastie

>>5177004
Why do you keep moving the goalposts? Also, just google these people, it still feels like you haven't even looked at their work if you have to ask this question.

Anyway, Tim Lochner does this. He draws for gatcha, so you might have even seen his work and didn't realize it was by a westerner.

>>5177011
but >>5176961 is a girl are u ok

>>5177016
This thread is a lost cause anon. Just forget about it.

>>5177016
and so are you. QED

oh asg you never fail to make me laff

>>5176967
So let me get this straight, you can barely bring 2 or 3 examples of non asians spanning 4 continents? I can go to Twitter or Pixiv and pull off 100 great asian artists without even trying at a glance. That really should tell you something.

>>5177020
wtf is a qed even. Damn you're making zero sense

>>5177022
Yeah, it tells me that most westerners are either not interested in drawing or are not interested in drawing in an anime style. How you translate that to "genes" is beyond me.

>>5177017
I like to humor the /beg/s here since they're so passionate about their >asian jeans excuse.

>>5177021
Does the rest of the board just show up to laugh at this one

>>5177027
yes

>>5177023
big surprise. the fangirl of B^U level garbage is also totally culturally ignorant.

>>5177032
careful anon, she might be asian

she might smite you with her superior drawing ability

>>5177024
>Yeah, it tells me that most westerners can't draw in an anime style.
ftfy. You gotta be delusional to think westerners are not interested in anime style at all

>>5177041
Stop hanging out on 4chan and go out and talk to your average westerner and you'll realize rather quickly that most people don't care about anime very much.

Where the fuck are your anime studies? Stop arguing you beg fucks.

>>5177048
People in this thread aren't interested in drawing. They're interested in malding.

>>5177013

What do you mean moving goalposts, ive been talking about anime art and anime artists all this time, you nutcases keep bringing in animators or some shit.
Isnt Tim Lochner from germany? Only thing I can find is on artstation.
Plus it doesnt matter, there are always exceptions, anybody from anywhere can draw in a certain way, but the majority of anime shit does come from japan and neighboring asian countries, thats a fact. Thats the whole fking point with this asian genes shit, im not telling anyone to give up cause youre not fking asian.
Just start learning like a god damn asian even if you aint, have a straight clear fking goal to what you want.
Sorry ive ranted a bit regarding this whole board,

>>5176982
shindol is literally a guy from the bronx lol

>>5177050
>Isnt Tim Lochner from germany?
ah yes, the famous east-asian country of Germany

>Plus it doesnt matter, there are always exceptions
yeah it's almost as if genes don't fucking matter and you need to nut up if you really want to learn how to draw

>anybody from anywhere can draw in a certain way
stop propagating this stupid asian genes shit then

>>5177048

>>5177055
And totally not born from Japanese parents, people in the bronx have spoken Japanese and are considered ethnic Japanese since the founding fathers, also every single person from the bronx achieves Japanese citizenship naturally. Its funny that every single counterexample you retards manage to cherrypick gets btfo by facts.

Fun fact, there is 2 good /asg/ artists, and they both happen to be Asian, one is Japanese.

>>5177055
probably half asian, speaks japanese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SD9-4pUPH0&feature=emb_title
cant confirm tho, anybody can catch what he said at 1:32

>>5177050
>you nutcases keep bringing in animators or some shit.
I literally told you that Thomas is also an illustrator and Valente is primarily a manga artist. You're so in denial that you literally have yet to actually bother looking up the kinds of work these people actually even do.

What do you gain from this? What's even the point? I honestly do not understand.

if you spent more time drawing and learning instead of arguing over not having 'asian genes' you'd be as good as a japanese person

btw there's tons of shitty japanese artists. stop glorifying asians.

>>5177073
but anon, then the people in /asg/ would actually have to draw

you know we can't have that

>>5177073
This lmao

>>5177068
absolute fucking gem anon

looking forward to my japanese naturalization

>>5177071

dude i dont care bout Thomas or Valente, i have no interest in them. I only have interest pixiv/twitter anime artist that draw hot anime girls with huge anime tits.

I got nothing to gain from this, just speaking my mind. Its the internet after all.

>>5177071
>Why you don't reject reality like I do and think that my 2 singular cherrypicked examples is the standard of the world
Gee I don't know
>>5177073
>btw there's tons of shitty japanese artists
Actually its quite skewed, they have comparatively substantially less number of shitty artists vs good artists compared to the rest of the world where the numbers of shitty vs good artists are stratospherical

asians always have, and always will be inept at visual art.

So how come you guys are having this tired argument about Asian jeans anyway. All it is influence during upbringing and discipline. People who say muh wrong genes are just lazy looking for excuses

>>5177101
>accusing me of rejecting reality
>Actually its quite skewed, they have comparatively substantially less number of shitty artists vs good artists compared to the rest of the world where the numbers of shitty vs good artists are stratospherical
You have literally no evidence for this. There is no statistical analysis available. If there was, you would have posted it already. You got this impression from browsing pixiv and twitter and seeing lots of stuff you liked.

"Asian genes" will not help you get better at art. Hard work and dedication--two things that asians are *heavily encouraged to have,* will help you get better at art.

I wish I could help you. I really, really do. But I'm starting to realize that I can't. I'm sorry.

>>5177107
>All it is influence during upbringing and discipline
This is among the most harmful conclusions on the asian jeans debate, this implies that no one outside asians can have a decent upbringing and discipline, things that can be changed unlike genes.

>>5177114
As someone who doesn't believe in asian jeans in the slightest, I do think that it's true that if you're instilled in an environment that encourages hard work from an early age, you're likely going to get a head-start in terms of diligence.

I do agree that anyone can work hard and diligently though, and that people should A.) realize that this is possible and B.) realize that this is what art takes, so that they can get back to work and start making proper progress. Just because you did not grow up in an environment that encouraged you to work hard at your art does not mean that you cannot create that environment for yourself, right now, any time you want to.

"Asian genes" stems from a cope-focused mindset. They see no gains despite working to whatever degree they *feel* they should or can, and thus conclude that there is something intrinsically wrong with them that releases them from responsibility. In reality, they should be working harder, smarter, or more diligently than they are. The "asian genes" cope mindset prevents the holder from pushing beyond their current tolerance for work and study or from reassessing their studying methods, preventing them from progressing at the rate at which they are truly capable.

>>5177109
>"Asian genes" will not help you get better at art
Factually incorrect.
>Hard work and dedication will help you get better at art.
Correct.

If you really wanna help people stop spewing half truths just so people get horribly dissapointed down the road after putting a lot of effort when results don't match their Asian peers, instead make them aware of the point so expectations can be managed properly. Your shitty appeal to emotion just undermines your point even further.

>>5177114
Uh no it does not imply that. What it does imply is that anyone around the world who grew up with similar parameters can have just as good results

>>5177123
>Factually incorrect.
post stats

>>5177107
>So how come you guys are having this tired argument about Asian jeans anyway
it's the same idiots who make every thread on /ic/ shit because they don't draw and shitpost all day

>>5177126
So how come we see barely any on a global scale. Like if I ask you to name 5 German passable anime artists you can probably come up with 2 or 3 tops, this exercise can be repeated to any country which doesn't have an important Asian demographic. On the other hand if I ask you instead to name 10 good Canadian anime artists you can easily come up with several but to no one is surprise they will probably be Asian, since Canada has an important Asian demographic. Your implication apparently is that no country with plenty of Asians in the world is capable of decent upbringing.

>>5177198
>how come we see barely any in a global scale
Because art is incredibly saturated with carefree hugboxers. Duh. Surround yourself with good artists and stop bitching, bitch. You probably don't even like anime

>>5177207
>Surround yourself with good artists
I did, and turns out in the end they were all Asian. Imagine my shock!

>>5177215
Go get your reassignment surgery then since you'll never be good as an african american

>>5177221
Interesting projection, yet not an argument.

>>5177222
I don't argue with wasted sperm cells, also look into what projecting means

Anyone here sketches with a stabilizer? Having no stabilizer really feels to light to accurately draw and drawing with S-1 on SAI feels like drawing with a heavy fountain pen.

>>5177233
I do use stabilizer on csp but I have it on low setting (10-20). It helps me draw more stable when zoomed out.

>>5177230
OBSESSED

>>5175669
this sounds interesting but then again I'm a poorfag from 3rd world shitter so I can't afford it now. Does it say there is age limit? Maybe one day when I have a stable income I could try to enroll.

>>5177246
Do you know Japanese fellow third worlder?

>>5177198
correlation =/= causation
Anime in the west was a relatively niche thing until not too long ago, kids wanting to learn anime wouldn't have the same possibilities or resources to do so as nipponese kids and anime being less widespread as in the east means less people will get to try at it. I'm mexican and here I've barely seen anyone do anime right but I've seen shitton of people nail just right the artstyle of DBZ by drawing Goku or whatelse, why? Because DBZ became so popular every single kid for the last 30 years has been a fan of it. There's no anime genes, there's simply cultures that generally are more acceptive or used to the anime artstyle and those that aren't,

>>5177248
yes... I think I could understand basic everyday conversation, not in the level of academia though. But then again the website says the course is aimed for people who have high school degree education so it shouldn't be too hard for me to follow along. The problem is money...

>>5177252
>correlation =/= causation
You know this works both ways right? I could apply this same logic to your argument

>>5177266
Go ahead, won't make your argument not flawed.

>>5177266
anime sucks. why the fuck would a superior german want to debase themselves by pursuing such a shallow and artless craft?

>>5177271
I don't know about that, facts speak for themselves in this case. And you are still free to try that simple exercise.

>>5177278
Facts can be misinterpreted. like 30 years ago westeners could do kickboxing great but they could barely do well in muay thai, does that mean they didn't have the genes for it or was it due to the lack of exposure and familiarity to it? Nowadays there's a shitton of westeners that practice it or implement it's elements just fine, did they develop a muay thai gene?

>>5177301
Westerners in general have better genetics suited for building mass as well as a myriad of other genetic traits suited for fighting.

However there is an important point I would like to raise. In my experience both Mexican and LATAM artists usually tend to achieve very good quality when it comes to Anime, granted most of the people I met where from second or third generation Asian from countries with an important Asian immigration in their histories like Peru, Brazil and Mexico. However I have seen plenty of good LATAM artists which at first glance appear to be endemic so I believe somehow LATAM artists are also well suited for Anime and seem to have some sort of pseudo Asian gene, in their case however they are crippled by terrible quality of life, few opportunities and a terrible society, yet I'm puzzled as why this isn't a factor at all on SEA artists.

From my experience, Asians, Italians, French, Mexican and LATAM artists seem to be able to make it.

>>5176943
I don't think speaking Chinese has made me better at anime lmao that's delusional

post more work faggots

>>5177256
Any tips for learning Japanese? I have been consdiering it but I'm already struggling with art by itself.

>people here genuinely believe your genetic code determines how 'authentic' your anime drawing is.
Literal cope.

>>5177366
>People think genetics has no influence whatsoever in the spefic number of factors required for a highly complex endeavor spanning multiple years such as learning art
>All of this without taking into account the cultural factor
But yeah, everyone is equal and everyone is a winner

If you faggots aren't gonna talk about your immature Jap comic books. At the very fucking least don't whine about your genetics.

You're literally sad because you don't feel genetically attuned to drawing doll faces on a cylindrical body? Kill yourself.

>>5177387
This.

You retards could be drawing what you love and improving, but instead, you just excuse your lack of skill and will with shitty made up genes crap.

What's the point of shitting up this thread or even /ic/ if you're not willing to draw because of some meme someone made up? How are you guys low iq enough to even believe that shit?

Just. Fucking. Draw. Have fun drawing your anime shit, stop bothering about that made up /ic/ crap, and stop it from keeping you from pursuing and getting better at something you love.

>>5177361
unironically read visual novels
I found the combination of text and replayable voice clips really helpful

>>5177440
So what do you do when you honestly try on a daily basis and draw a lot but can't improve whatsoever? There is a lot of people on this boat

>>5177482
Just check your work and see what can be improved, how it is so hard?

>>5177482

Honestly, I was in the same situation for 3 years, with my art stagnating so much there wasn't any improvement. I got serious gains last year by keeping a few goals in mind. I began posting every day, with high expectations on what I do, and forced myself out of my comfort zones.

I have a few dozen word documents filled with analysis of other anime artist's works, from facial feature placement to use of colors. When I finish studying a piece, I try to make one of my own keeping in mind what I learned.

I also stopped drawing digitally for a year, only focusing on paper with a mechanical pencil and a random pen as my tools. I just drew countless things over and over, whatever was in my mind. Faces, hair, anatomy parts, or things in front of me, even photos in magazines.

I focused on learning as much new things as I could, and it came to dissecting every art I saw that I liked, even non-anime stuff. How did they do it? How can I replicate that? It seemed too out of my field at first, but now it's reachable.

So, study various things, force yourself out of comfort zones, and don't look at things on the surface level.

>>5177482
Unironically try other methods other than doing anime. Try anything until something works or clicks for you. Look what other pros are doing to practice their fundamentals. Study anatomy while analyzing how artists stylize their forms. Literally copying an anime screenshot won't get you anywhere. Also I can relate with what this anon went through >>5177531

doodling a random scene

>>5177531
I started traditionally for a couple of years and moved to digital, I'm forced constantly out of my comfort zone due to comms. I have problems posting daily despite doing art daily because I'm very slow and its made worse by drawing out of my comfort zone and having to decipher things on top of having little time to allocate to daily practice outside of weekends. I do a lot of things outside of anime as well (last thing I was doing was portraits). My improvement from last year was absolutely neglible despite all of this.

>>5177574
do you mind posting your work then? maybe critiques could give you pointers.

>>5177122
this desu
the moment you believed in asian jeans you already lost mindset wise

>>5177361
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
This have all of basic resources from grammar guide, anki cards, to free manga and light novels to read. I also suggest you to watch youtube channel as Nihongo no Mori
https://www.youtube.com/user/freejapaneselessons3

Once you understand basic grammar, it's all about remembering vocabulary and kanji.

If you want to get better at reading textbook, you gotta read more manga, light novel/novel, visual novel, newspaper or article.
If you want to get better at listening, I recommend you watching movie, japanese variety show or comedy show like Gaki no Tsukai. Anime accent is mostly exaggerated so it might be not so helpful if you want to understand basic conversation.

>Anime originates and is most popular in the east
>better and earlier pipeline for learning anime art in the east than in the west
>Thus more anime artists in the east than in the west
>thus more good anime artists in the east than in the west
What the fuuuuucckk dudes I don't get it I'm going inssaaaanneeeeeee I'm never buying a pair of jeans ever again.

>>5176786
>>5176814
Sorry pal, I'm not Raul. Thanks for the compliment though.

>>5177005
pyw

>>5177319
>the anime gene existed before anime was even made and asian people brought it to mexico and that's why pablo martinez can draw good anime and I can't

LIQUID cope

>>5177068
>Fun fact, there is 2 good /asg/ artists, and they both happen to be Asian, one is Japanese.

who?

>>5177377
Okay anon, I give up, you win. You're too low-IQ to draw and will forever be bad. I guess that's what you want to hear.

Enjoy your cope party.

The human genome has been not fully mapped, but we today have great understanding of it thanks to the human genome project that has concluded in 2003.
In biology, favored genes are genes that lead to the next generation, that includes survival and fertility.
As you may have imagined, we are not hard coded to be able to represent 3d structure on paper in a manner that is fun to look at. It is a skill we learn, it is not genetics.

What is a lot more impactful, something that can create a lot deeper of an impact on somebody, is cultural.
>What is the correlation between african americans and making music?
>what is the correlation between being Japanese and being an animator?
>what is the correlation between being a country girl and liking horses?
The answer is culture. Culture sets people on certain paths and pushes them forward.

The funny thing is, eastern art for its entire history, even when it started becoming renown, was really flat and lacking fundamentals. People like Hokusai were revolutionary, enough to be famous in their lifetime, and very far from the standard. Thinking like his as well as western influence pushed the japanese art away to being what it is today.
Take a minute to compare and contrast ukiyo-e to kuchi-e, you will notice how serious of a difference those influences made, and how .
Either way, since when have you become a person who lets fate be written for him, anon? Are you really gonna sit and cry if nature told you you can't do something? is that all your fighting spirit amounts to, 'niki?

UH ASIAN JEAN BROS?

Behold! A how to draw manga book by our dear friend Kensuke Okabayashi, a Jap raised in New Jersey. Surely with his asian genes he can lead us to great anime art.

Oh my.

>>5178401
>total devastation

>>5178401
But in all seriousness, this guy has some decent western styled art. I'm sick of this genes/culture rant. Spend that time to do something more efficient.

>>5178234
doesnt really count when they're targeting a western audience
also that person can clearly draw
they just have awful taste

>>5178554
>d-doesn't count
Lmao

>>5178658
now pyw lol
face it, theyre better than 99% of this general thanks to their asian heritage

>>5178703
now pyw lol
face it, they're better than 100% of you alone thanks to them drawing

>>5178234
>>5178412
Don't you see anon? Genes are responsible for creating the most powerful artists possible. Asians are coded to have thinner hands and lack body mass compared to other nationalities. They are, by God's design, better suited at precision drawing. They were born to speak faster than most do in their native tongue. They learn faster, they draw faster, they stand for efficiency by nature of their genes. So long as they aren't tainted by the western influence of Disney's works, Asian genes are destined to be aesthetically stronger than other countries. Need I remind you of Japan's cities compared to those drab hellholes Americans find themselves living in? The states are so reliant on conventions to make themselves interesting, an occasion which gathers up Asian made intellectual properties and Asian artists for their alleys. Just as African genes lend themselves to making rap lyrics, Asian genes lend themselves to shut ins, shut ins who funnel their time into drawing to be the artists we see today. That blasted work culture Asia defines itself with went a step further in creating waves of artists who outmatch the rest of the world as well. Gone is the choice to complain about the hand that's dealt, the one job that had an open slot, and in its place is rising up to meet the standards of outsourced animation.

>>5178733
Don't care, just draw you /v/tard

>>5176007
People are bad because of two reasons. First, they don't really that art as a real form of study, and second because they don't receive learning in the correct way, mainly because they do it themselves. This is linked to the first reason, since they think that it is not a serious subject of study, they don't think about acquiring specialized education on the subject, which is what anyone In another area of knowledge would do, for example, if you study real music, you don't learn by yourself, you just hire a music teacher or you attend an establishment to learn music theory.

Where's my 3dbro at

>>5176940
is there a guide to doing this?

>>5179033
You can do the exact same thing with a normal human face

>>5178733
>Asian genes lend themselves to shut ins, shut ins who funnel their time into drawing to be the artists we see today
where can i cash out, i don't want to be a quarantining shut in any longer

thoughts before i lineart and color this?

>>5179562
FIVE

>>5179562
So many problem I don't know where to start

>>5179567
>>5179571
>Someone post abouts asian genes
>OH NO PLS STOP THIS I HATE IT!
>Someone post their work and ask for critique
>Crab
This is why you guys can't have nice things

>>5178733
>Raised in strict families that ingrain a studious mindset.
>Even if they're genetically average they'll end up with above average skills from the effort.
I would be more interested in seeing what would happen if you placed a Black, White or Hispanic kid in a traditional Asian family that pushes them to draw.

And koreans draw their manwha with girls like this because of both anime influence and their korean pop stars

>>5179655
sauce?

>>5179190
Not that i know of

>>5179676
No I won't tell you plus there's ntr like every other manwha

>>5179033
Side mouth is a representation.
It was done in the past because cels can't add transparency to cels below them, meaning you would have to redraw the cel otherwise. It stuck because it has a charming look and can be faster than drawing the whole thing yet it reads just as well.

Just a heads up, You would have a case if you report geneposting under drama, trolling or low quality. The mods will likely be sympathetic since all those posts do is disrupt discussion and try to convince others to give up.

>>5179747
Interesting how this k on shot has been cherry picked for several years

>>5179776
I only seen it talked about in a thread on /a/ sometime either late 2019 or very early 2020.
I drew this edit because we were talking about a similar thing. The frame on the right is actually my edit as well, I lost the original. I thought it was charming as well
Found this as I was writing this. Yeah. the original is charming and perfectly fine for a frame. It is out there, which makes it easy to pick on, but it works perfectly fine for the situation.
>The first instance of this image is from reddit where some loser complains about it being bad
I should have known.

>TL;DR
>Side mouth is fine, but you should understand that it is a representation, and not an implication that the mouth is on one side of the face

>>5179571

i don't get it i added gesture and flow, i tried not showing generic angles, i tried to get anatomy and proportions right. What did i do so wrong?

>>5179859
it's not the angle that matters, but dynamism.

you can make the hair float more to signify movement
What's exactly is she doing? why is she sitting like that? are you trying to show her head looking down because the top of her head very visible? why is she naked?

t.also /beg/

>>5179863
>dynamism
Isn't it dynamic already?
How can I make it more dynamic?

>you can make the hair float more to signify movement
Okay I'll try that

>What's exactly is she doing? why is she sitting like that?
I was trying to make a jumping pose, she's in the air

>are you trying to show her head looking down because the top of her head very visible?
Yeah that was what i was trying to do. Did I do it wrong?

How to shade?

>>5179792

>>5176450
Because in the Philippines we have a bunch of Ateliers. Manila alone has more than 20.
And fineart classes are mainly focus more on impression realism alla prima art than modern pozzed crap.

>>5180068
I'm beg but I normally just make it a slighlty cooler and darker color if it's away from the main lightsource and if it gets near a near source i adjust accordingly

>>5180143
What tool do you use?

>>5180177
csp

>>5180197
What brush

>>5180203
I mainly use the g pen for hard shadows, airbrush for soft shadows and i use the opaque watercolor brush and blend tools to make it pop.

There used to be a tutorial on shading skin posted around this board. It was imitating that typical "softer" shading from nip artists, with airbrush and such, but in English and made by some guy with a Patreon I don't remember the name of. Could someone post it? I lost a lot of my stuff after some computer problems.

So I've been drawing for a while but my progress is very slow (if there is any at all)
I tried Keys to drawing, Hitokaku, Huston and Loomis in the past but I am having a hard time applying them to studying other artists, and I still couldn't get out of the symbol drawing stage.
Should I just put figure drawing books aside and focus getting better at doing accurate 1 to 1 copies/studies?
Also how to study other art and figures the "right" way if I am still symbol drawing?
Should I focus on the underlying form and construction or the lines and shapes first?

>>5180217
is it this one from krenz or are you talking about the one a fellow anon made

>>5180320
No, it wasn't this one. It had like an orange and/or white background, and it used the full body of a girl to show how to shade her skin. I think one of the first steps, if not the first, was using a darker color to shade around all the "borders" of the body before actually going for the shadows, and I remember the Patreon logo (maybe a watermark?) in some part. I got it from here some months ago, maybe around summer.

>>5179562
Seek help

>>5180348
I don't have it on hand, but that one was made by Erotibot

>>5180068
Try cel shading the whole piece first, then smooth out what needs smoothing with a softer brush.
If your cel shade is solid you always know which stage was fine and you don't have to go from the start.

>>5179725
motherfucker tell me the fucking sauce right now

>>5177274
>Muh ayran
>Fuck off back to >>>/pol/ faggot. You're almost as bad as the "Muh Asian Jeans" tards.

>>5180501
That's the one! Thanks a lot, anon.
Posting it in case it helps someone else, too.

>>5179562
qrdw on these muscles.stop drawing like that you make the animechads loook bad.

>>5181370
Not that guy but what can I do if I want to be an anime chad but fail at making progress at every turn.

>>5181376
1st Bargue Plate+Perspective
2nd Figure Drawing
End

>>5181403
What's bargue plate?

>>5181376
grind these and don't @ me again

>>5181413
I already do

>>5181376
Do you learn from Japanese guides (those thick heavy books with a lot of cubes and anatomy)? Can you show what you can now?

>>5181439
Which ones are you talking about?

>>5181426
then you should be able to shit like this, then you just need to study your favorite japanesse GOD artist and absorb some of his gains

>>5181406
charles bargue drawing course

>>5181523
front facing, pidgeon toed, static anime portrait with no emotion or expression whatsoever. just what the world needed more of.

>>5181768
Who teaches that kind of construction?

>>5181834
no one place teaches construction like that, you have to make your own. try looking at resources that aren't weebshit, look at scott eaton, huston, hampton and a bunch of others.

>>5181523
Nice amber anon

>>5181523
that ribcage, the legs are too short, the right hand is too big and the arm kinda short the possitioning of the glases is off compared to her chest that is almost in front view.

overall big yikes desu

>>5181942
isn't that left arm leaning toward the back

>>5181370
I'm sorry i don't understand what i did wrong, i know about the iliotibial tract, Gluteus medius, vastus lateralis and other muscles in that area, but she's not muscular and is skinny, i tried putting those muscles before but people said that it looked weird.

>>5182238
use reference image next time

>>5178234
mariko tamaki is an amerimutt hapa

>>5182303
i did that too, I don't know what i'm doing wrong. I'm trying everything i can.
>Reference
>gesture
>3d shape construction
>adding anatomy but not too much

none of it is working

How do I get appealing shapes while studying anatomy at the same time? I switched to the bridgman's box method for drawing the base of the body but now my proportions look boring and don't have much appeal. Also any tips for improving on organic forms?

why do you hate 5 head it's meant to be cute

>>5179562
Don't listen to the anon's trying to bring you down. It is stiff, but it is in the right direction. Try and think about why it is still and fix those areas that make it so. To me the arms are the thing that seems the most off. good luck.
>>5182515
You should stick to the method that works best for you.
>>5182579
5heads are cute

>>5182600
could you tell me how to make it less stiff?
I tried adding contrapposto and gesture. What would you do?

>>5182494

In Steve Ahn's drawing workshop, he mentions that a lot beginners tend to draw construction/guidelines wrongfully or just end up not using them in the way they're intended to.

I think this may be what your problem is, you got good enough fundies but you struggle at applying them to stylized drawings.

Do you mind showing some of your studies or gesture sketches?

>>5179562

A lot of people shat on this, but honestly it is clearly a step over your previous stuff, even if there are some minor issues here and there (ex: length of the left leg, positioning of the neck)

>>5180068

Use darker and more saturated shadows on the blue. Mignon just roughs his shading out with a pen brush and then blurs for soft edges- I personally use the smooth watercolor and paint and apply brushed in CSP for the blur. You can also use the lasso tool technique.

>>5182515
>>5182605

Honestly, gesture and figure drawing. Have you studied artists you like? When it comes to appeal, grinding bridgman won't really help. There's a lot of issues here. The colors are a deal breaker.

>>5182605
You get less stiff with time. You slowly get better at recognizing what looks off and tackling it. All of these are subtle, from the looks of it, especially the face, you are going the right way. keep it up
Forgive me for the lack of digits on the fix, I am going to be animating for the next few days, I refuse to get carpel tunnel from drawing fingers with a mouse.
The stiffest individual parts for her would be her right arm, our left, and her feet. technically, they are not wrong, but they do not fit the body they were drawn on the way they were drawn. I think the feet are slightly too big, girls especially have smaller feet. they also don't really git with the body, her torso is moving around in a very flowey way but her feet don't match that at all.
If you look on the right most diagram you can start seeing the biggest anatomy issues right away
There are problems with some of the connections on portions of the body and the legs not being matching sizes
>I erased some unnecessary lines from the neck and jaw
>I tweaked where her left arm connects to the body to fit with the torso
>you drew her labia connected to her spine, I moved it up to match the torso
>changed her right arm to match the pose
>made her feet paddle to match the pose
>shortened the back leg
Keep it up, ganbare
>>5182806
Nice work
a few notes: You should consider at this extreme of a lighting putting lighting details on the nose, otherwise it looks like her face is flat.
you should also examine her left arm and leg (our right), some of the shadows and highlights are done in a way that flattens or gives weird shapes to the form.
Your biggest mistakes is multiplying shadows. the gold and drapery cast another shadow on all the objects instead of receding into the painted shadows, which opposes the way it would in nature.
If you put two books infront of a flash light it won't make the resulting shadow darker.
The squish on the breast and tummy are really nice.

>>5174526
>Some 20yo vr anime youtuber shit bitch is better at drawing than me after I spent most of my fucking 30 years on it
I sincerely want to fucking kill myself

>>5182515
I really like it, saved

>>5182929
Rage quitting is a permeant solution to a temporary problem.
You have plenty more time. Keep fighting on, working hard, and giving it your all, friend!

>>5182948
For what, reaching late and with effort the point someone else with talent was just a small stepping stone?
What's the fucking point

>>5182955
there is always someone better. if you stop doing something just because someone else can do it better than you, you'll never do anything.

>>5182968
There's truth in your post, but I still feel bitter

so much bitterness itt

>>5182929
I completely understand that feeling! when i see an artist younger than me or at my age doing art 10 times better then me it feels like getting salt rubbed in the wound, i hated myself for not trying to draw when i was younger but i use this feeling to motivate myself, if they can do it so can I! and very much this >>5182968

>>5182955
I'm gonna dissect it bit by bit.
>suicide
The gift of life is an infinitesimally small chance and you won it, You have the grand chance to consciously experience the world around you. Do yourself a favor and take the idea of throwing your life off the table.
>quitting art
Are you really gonna be happy leaving the thing you truly wanted to do by the wayside just because you felt inadequate in your late 30s? Probably not. If this is the one thing that is important in your life simply keep fighting for it. Maybe you should change your approach, maybe you just need to put more time into it maybe you need a teacher, that is for you to decide.
If you are a healthy human doing healthy things and you don't climb electricity poles for fun you may have several decades to look forward to and to keep becoming good.
>talent
Talent doesn't work the way most think it does.
Talent amounts to "how easy X step would be in X skill"
Talent comes for individual skills, not art as a whole, and it can come in different ways.
For example:
>artist 1 may just have an eye for picking nice colors right off the bat, but getting those amazing colors or certain complicated lighting colors will take them decades
>and artist two may take decades to get in colors to where artist 1 was in year 1, but after he overcame that the latter part of figuring out the subtlety and difficult colors may come to him at light speed.
Simply because our brains are wired differently we learn different portions of different skills in a different pace, this is the true face of talent, and the most you keep going the more likely you will to eventually blast through. Having an early skill for something is just one form of talent
Masamune is a good example of an artist who has a slow creep, but he never hits a ceiling. you may say that doesn't sound like talent but as he is one of the most skilled artists in the world right now and seeing how a lot of people hit a very hard ceiling that is very lucrative.

>>5182955
P2
>Ina'nis
For you , she is just a brat who showed up, has millions of viewers, and has great art.
It is very unlikely that she has gotten it on a silver spoon.
It is very possible that she, now in her probably mis to late 20s, has been drawing since single digit age. She is asian which generally means a good environment for learning art, so it is possible that she not only had time to grind early, and a lot of it, but also a good environment to grow.

>but what if she didn't
the chances are slim, but I could see someone like her get this good in only a few years, instead of being intimidated by her existence you should use it as a proof that you can push even further.

>time spent
time spend isn't what's important, it is seconds doing something right. How much time are you pencil to paper? how much time are you thinking through the problem, how high are you aiming, you should always keep that in mind when pushing forward, those are the real things that count.

ganbare, knock em dead, consider not anhero, friend

>>5182962
nice work, comrade.

>>5176782
where can I see more characters?

>>5182923
thanks for the feedback appreciate it

How should it look if it were more anime?

>>5182962
Good stuff, who is the one in the middle?

>>5183068
make it a girl and add booba.

Anybody has that pic of anime face proportions that shows why they use european faces and not asian ones? it uses yui from k on

>>5183433
Don't fall for the euro vs asian meme. Just understand the actual substance it and use it to draw whatever you want.

>>5183468
No, I just need the pic

>>5183005
>It is very unlikely that she has gotten it on a silver spoon.
There is no reason for this to be unlikely at all. All the things you listed indicate she just happened to got handed perfect conditions in life
>>5182929
You thought Asian genes were a meme? You can reject reality for so long before it hits you in the face.

>>5182579
I like 5 heads chibis. But it starts look little strange outside of chibi style. Also never seen any haters here.

>>5182515
You can try Hamm instead of Bridgman. But remember - "There are no rules, just tools". If tool isn't suitable for you drop it without regrets and forget my advice.

>>5176782
>>5176782
Nice.

>>5183305
my own

>>5182929
to be fair, the actual artist behind the vtuber has been making GMI stuff for over 10 years

>>5183559
Redline pls.

>>5182923
Thank you so much, I'll keep trying.

>>5182736
These are what my figure drawings look like, they're timed so i skipped some construction in order to finish them so some of the proportions are off

Does anyone know how/where to make anime art friends outside of 4chan? Talking to people with a mental illness is starting to get tiresome.

>>5182736
>Use darker and more saturated shadows on the blue.
to be honest I was just straight stealing the color from main reference.

>>5183559
stop making them fat for starter

>>5175942
>limiting your influence out of some belief of superiority of teachings.
>not applying the idea of mixed philosophies to your craft like cooking chads do.

Cursed

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>>5185165
>>5185165

>>5177440
I assume this is the troubling mindset of why some Euros and Spaniards delude themselves into rebranding themselves as Asian so people think better of their art.

>>5180577
>>5180320
These are great thank you!

>>5174526
Post Amelia