/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Is the op pic edited?

>>5176766
are you supposed to read this properly, or backwards?

>>5176766

she needs more loomis

how long

I'm starting to hate drawing as a whole. Like really hate drawing. I can't will myself to make anything more than light doodles clustered in a sketchbook page once a month and every time I try to practice the fundies to get better, I get irritable and every fiber of my body is telling me to stop whether it's the pain in my back, numbness in my legs, or pins and needles in my fingers. It makes me want to tear up what I'm working on and smash a window in frustration. I can't show any of my big ol' art "buddies" because what am I supposed to show them? I got nothing. I try to post my studies in an art forum but it gets fucking buried with no response. I;m so mediocre, I can't even spark a negative reaction. Despite all this, I don't ever want to stop. I'm never going to stop. I don't care if all I will ever be is an ant pushing a brick to the other side of the planet. I'm going to keep drawing even if it kills me. It's not like I got anything else going on.

>>5176894
you don't make sense.

>>5176894
i think you gotta unfix yourself from your ambitions and fall in love with the process again, man.

i feel you pain. same shit happens to me when i surround myself with people ahead of me.

>>5176989
why do people troll a thread about venting?

>>5176998
:( i didn't mean to come across as a dick. I was just trying to be playful. I need to get some sleep

>>5176894
don't worry about results when drawing. Just draw a lot and focus on quantity. All of us could all do better, so we all suck in some way.

Two of my friend want to do one of those switcheroo art thingies but they're way better at art than I am and I've spent 3 hours on a simple sketch FUCK it shouldn't take this long it's just supposed to be a sketch

feel like the only enjoyable part of the drawing process is the praise I get once I'm done

>>5176998
why do you make blog posts about how hard your life is because you can't draw big booba coomies?

>>5176766
Why the fuck are you complaining about hand drawn animation being dead when its still done by thousands to millions still

>artist goes to patreon
>barely ever see his art anymore since he doesn't do enough free stuff to get promoted on twitter anymore
>randomly remember him after a few years
>go check it out
>anatomy went to shit, sameface and same positions over and over again, shading and lighting didn't improve, produces less than half of what used to produce
Why is this so common? Does Patreon has a curse that makes every artist plateau and then degrade? What the fuck is even this?

>>5177331
Anon, the answer is simple: they were working extra hard because they needed to build a following in order to start making money.
Now that they have what they wanted, a steady stream of income, all they need to do is maintain that.

>>5177345
Dude I know some of these artist since BEFORE patreon was a thing. I remember when hardblush and other individual sites were a thing. I remember when rule34 wasn't a site, just a rule.

>>5177094
Isn't that a common thing for normies?

>>5177351
I'm not seeing what that has to do with either post.

Anyway, I'll elaborate. The monthly payout option on patreon rewards the artist for maintaining an audience, not for putting out work. It's only natural that someone simply puts out less work when there's no reward for putting out more.

>>5177364
>I'm not seeing what that has to do with either post
They couldn't have been working hard to build a steadily income when at the time there WAS NO OPTION OF A STEADILY INCOME.

>>5176894
post your work, I'll react.

>>5176766
>10 minutes twice a week
'Why am I not improving?'
Lmao

>>5177370
Are you trying to say that there was no reason for anyone to want to build a following before patronage services?
I can't speak for whoever you're talking about but is what I'm saying not a logical conclusion to draw?

>>5177331
Coomers don't mind anatomical problems.

>>5177375
MAYBE for commissions, but back then coomer art didn't had much money to be made unless you were on the top 1%, so no people didn't really pump out art to get money.

>>5177386
Maybe they just got bored then, man. Why don't you ask them?

>>5177331
I think that what happen when you don't try to challenge yourself. You try to please everyone, so you do more of the same and as it is not so much interesting to do, you start either cutting corner or trying to do it faster, which lead to cutting corner. in the end you don't really enjoy what your doing and it have become just a job for you.
you can see the same shit from you tuber that start strong and then make endless video about "rekindling the passion" or taking a new start with the hobby.
I think it's avoidable as long as you keep an artist point of view on things, keep challenging yourself an try to say something with your art. If all you have to sell is sex, don't be surprise if you end up as a washed up whore.

>>5176766
I have been drawing fan art of the same cartoon for more than two years and the only thing I want to draw is that, and I know that I'm improving slowly thanks to that.

>>5177389
I once commented in an artist work "man I really don't like how this character reminds me of myself" and the fucker had a 10 tweet mental breakdown about negative comments, mine was the ONLY non positive comment he ever received, yeah I checked. The second best thing I can do that won't screw me over is ask artists, without tying the question to my "persona". In other words, ask here.

>>5177391
I kind of agree with you, I saw porn artists improve constantly and challenge themselves for years before the patreon thing started. Putting business into it really killed the mood it seems. Maybe when they were forced to do comms they were forced out of their confort zones, but now, since they have a steady income AND they associate their art with their job instead of a passion project, it becomes stale and quite literally formulaic. It's sad really.

>>5177391
>I think that what happen when you don't try to challenge yourself.
He's probably talking about someone who draws porn, you don't draw porn to challenge yourself to begin with.

>>5177412
>you don't draw porn to challenge yourself to begin with
Pffff, you have no idea. To put it simply, yes they do.

>>5177420
Becoming increasingly degenerate is not an uphill path.

>>5177429
Spoken like a true ngmi

>>5177429
Maybe not, but capturing the perfect most alluring pose, composition, palette and expressions is. Furthermore, it IS harder to draw very niche fetishes.

>>5177087
>better artist than me says "just have fun anon" "just do something quick it doesn't have to be perfect" "come in just loosen up and doodle something!"
>their doodles are of a quality that takes me hours to reach
>"o-okay"
>post my shitty doodles and they immediately lose interest in me, seeing my true skill level
I dont do well under pressure

>>5176766
how do you find a time to hone your skills when you have to go wagie and can't be alone at home?

>>5177496
Wow so this is so deep

Lurker here. I have realised that original/controversial art barely thrives on the internet, if i would put my finger on it always has to do with some kind of conformity or mob mentality. What i truly long for is an underground art scene like the underground comix from the 60's and 70's.

>>5177674
that pretty short sighted. it never been easier to live of originality, by setting a Patreon, you only need a few thousand fan to make a living. It is pretty hard to find those fans, I would agree, but that nothing impossible.

>>5177682
>It is pretty hard to find those fans, I would agree, but that nothing impossible.
Not sure if possible doing "underground" things in the algorithm era.
>>5177674
Neocities is probably the closest thing that's left of it.

I put a lot of work on improving on art on top of my wagecuck. Problem is due to emergencies at work I'm getting less sleep and even less time to do art. My progress is already shit, compared to the progress threads I'm easily the worst. its becoming worse and worse and on top of everything now my health is deteriorating due to the lack of sleep. Everyday truly feels like I'm NGMI despite trying hard. I really see no way out of my current situation. Not everyone who tries with all their soul wins in the end.

I fucking hate Twitter, I keep comparing myself to other artists that I am friends that have higher follower counts and are quite well-known. The whole /ic/ rhetoric of "You're just not good enough git gud grind loomis faggot" doesn't help either, especially since the art community on Twitter kind of holds that same belief, except they blanket it with fake kindness and positivity. Yet I want to feel like I am just on the same level of those big artists I look up to. None of my posts blow up on Twitter I fucking hate that shit site why do I try to be relevant

>>5176766
>hand-drawn animation is dead
most of the animation in anime is hand drawn

So it's impossible to use twitter without providing a phone number now? I got locked out of my account and it asks to provide a phone, support replied to me with an automated message and then stopped replying.
Actually giving them my phone is out of the question.
So how do I promote my coom art without twitter?

>>5177706
although algorithms always suggest generic trash because assuming you like mainstream content is a safe bet, they are also extremely good at finding and forming small communities. in a sense it's part of the so called "long tail". think about porn for example, even if most of it is roughly the same, you still find content for people that like woman walking on water balloon or man being reverse gang raped by women disguised as dinosaur. similarly, you can find a sub reddit on about any subject.

that said, I don't think the notion of underground still hold that much as for me it implied a power dynamics with mainstream industry that just not really here anymore: amazon will sell classic author or yeti smut the same way as long as the money come.

>>5177746
>similarly, you can find a sub reddit on about any subject.
it's a bit ironic that the first practical example of this you could find was fetish porn

>>5176894
Hey man, I could have written this post word for word. I know where you’re coming from.
The thing that has helped me the most is ditching the “fundies practice” and just trying to draw the things I actually want to draw, right now, without waiting until I’m “good enough”. My brain’s reward center doesn’t get triggered from doing endless studies and practice exercises, it only gets triggered if I’m taking actual concrete steps towards realizing a goal that I actually value. Just come up with an idea for something that you’ve always wanted to draw once you were “good enough” and start working on it now. Go as slow as you need to, be a total tryhard and think as hard as you can about how to make the best drawing you can. Learn things along the way.
>inb4 pyw
No. I’m still awful, but at least with this method I can draw for more than 10 minutes at a time without getting completely frustrated. It’s better than nothing.

>I’m not the most talented
>...or the most passionate
>...or the most tenacious
>...and I don’t have the strongest motive
I don’t really have anything

>>5177775
if you compare yourself to others, you will always find a way to fall short. It's not a race to be the best in the world, enjoy your own progress and reaching your own goals.

>Want to draw
>Don't feel like it
>Decide to continue on older drawings I never finished
>Make improvements to what I otherwise realize looked like crap before
>That's good, now to clean up the drawing
>Looks at Twitter
>Ok that's enough distractions, back to work
>Continue
>Looks at Youtube
>Ok but seriously, back to work
>Continue
>Looks at 4chan
>FFS focus, I need to finish this
>Continue once more
>Close application
Why is it so hard for do anything anymore? I can't stay focused. I almost don't want to draw because I know this shit keeps happening.

I don't know how I'm still alive with self-esteem this low. I need a miracle to get out of this mindset and I know it won't happen.

>>5177718
I had pretty numbers on Twitter, but I just felt like a monkey pushing buttons, no one really "cared" about me, so I blocked everyone following and made my account private kek.
Mentally it's been a lot better for me because I'm not worrying about numbers so much. I work on art not "art for others." It has been funny getting messages on my other socials asking me if I'm dead or what happened, especially people who never cared before. I just ignore em and go back to my art

>>5177851
There's a reason why some big animation studios (disney especially) cut off an entire building internet during crunch time

>>5177409
that artist was a bitch but why did you have to leave a negative comment that added nothing and is meaningless to anybody but yourself?

I too love leaving negative comments on artists' artworks to expose their mental illnesses

>>5178085
the irony is thick

>>5176766
no shit, op

>>5177965
This is pure cope. I did this and all it did was make me complacent. I need eyes on me because I see to kill competition. That’s just who I am.

>>5178120
This is pure cope. I did this and all it did was make me complacent. I need eyes on me because I seek to kill any competition. That’s just who I am.

>>5177965
This is pure cope. I did this and all it did was make me complacent. I need eyes on me because I seek to kill any competition. That’s just who I am.

>>5177965
This is pure cope. I did this and all it did was make me complacent. I need eyes on me because I seek to kill any competition. That’s just who I am.

>>5178125
Of course it's cope, but Twitter's a different beast. It's a microblogging platform, so I felt like I had to keep engaging, replying to others, RT, etc which made me lose focus on making actual content. On IG, I do much better all around (followers, engagement, etc) plus since the focus is only on pictures, I don't have to feel pressured to post other bullshit.

>>5178085
Man that's pathetic.

>>5178085
People like you will hang.

>>5178085
Delightfully devilish anon

>>5176867
...has this been going on?

i need a art frend but im too autistic to add ramdon people........................................ how do i make frends online here, i don't use any kind of social media.

>>5178337
You hang yourself outside of Minecraft.

>>5176766
January was ok but I'm at my limit here.
My brain is filled up that go from "dark toughts about my art/future" to "man should I reaveal my love to this girl?Do I have any chance with her",not to mention that feeling of loneliness that grows more and more...

I was supposed to learn digital painting this month,but I have doubts now.
I just don't know what to do.

>>5176766
it's been my job for the past 5 or so years so no it's not.
Companies are getting very stingey about the quality, but that's true of every industry over time

>>5178337
I'm in a similar situation. I want to join DAD discord and find a friend there, how's that plan?

>>5178434
Go ask in their thread.

>>5176766
sometimes I wish I had something like a pen pal/accountability partner/art friend, but I need to fix my autism first

>was cleaning my room and sorting my trad art stash
>mom barges in to talk about something
>didn't really mind her
>noticed she picked up a sheet of paper from the floor
>it was some gay pokémon furry porn I drew
>took the drawing out of her hands so fast I tore it apart
>"I never get to look at your art anon, it makes me sad."

I'm never doing trad ever again. My family are seven-day adventists too, imagine that shit.

>>5178406
>Companies are getting very stingey about the quality
what's that mean? they want more for less time and pay? or they don't care if they produce shit?

>>5178715
>seven-day adventists
holy fuck run, get a minimum wage job and a shitty apartment if you need to, but RUN

>>5178724

>>5178728

This, tbqh. Them and Jehova's Witnesses are batshit. No meme.

>>5178876
Topkek

All of my groceries got stolen. I wouldnt be so stressed if it were just for me, but those were family members too. And if you're curious., I live in the middle-class part of town.

>>5178902
Feel bad for you. I live in a ghetto commieblock with alcos and junkies, yet never happened to me. Guess I'm good at evading them and only going out at odd hourse when they're already sleeping

>>5178902
How?

>>5178937
Hamburglars

>finally spent my off days drawing
>couldn't make anything that I actually liked despite spending hrs drawing
>made some shitty anime girls and bad coom art that I'm going to delete, there by completely making everything I did a waste of time
>have to go back to work tomorrow for another 12 hr shift
If a asteroid hit us take me out, that would be great.

>have to go back to work tomorrow for another 12 hr shift
If a asteroid hit us taking me out along with it the rest of the planet, that would be great.

my sister is suicidal

In approx. 1 week I start phase 2 of my plan.
>>5179406
Don't let her go alone.

>>5179406
use your sister as reference for drawing anon.
I FUCKING NEVER HAD A SISTER ITS SO UNFAIR WAGGGHHHHHHHH

>>5177331
Cycles are on the order of years not months. Decades evan.

Ide try to sit in front of the page more but I'm too addicted to hockin loogie

ANOTHER FUCKING FAILURE
i feel like im going insane
kill beat up destroy kill destroy eat

WHY CAN'T I JUST SIT DOWN AND FOCUS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>5179404
Just take all the money out of your bank, buy a car and disappear.

A friend of mine actually did this and I accidentally met him again a couple of years later. Apparently he's now living the van life while living off from his patreon with 300+ patrons. He seems a lot more happier and no longer suicidal; previously I really thought that he went somewhere to hanged himself

>That one mutual that most certainly has you muted and only interacts with you when one of your posts is very popular and a noticable third party retweets it

Christ, fuck off.

>>5178933
Thank you, anon. I think its the pandemic thats pushing the crime rate up. Before this, even the poorer areas didnt have as much outright theft as what I'v been seeing lately. Its spookin me pretty bad.
I wish you well.

>>5178937
I think they either never actually came to my house and drove away, or got near my block, marked it as "delivered" and sped away.

I pled my case to the store in the hours since I originally posted, and theyve agreed to refund most of my money. But itll take a least a week to get it back to me, so I'm going to be digging through emergency food for a little bit.

Stay safe, anons!

>>5179181
Fuck, I had a good laugh at this. Thank you.

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH I WANT TO FINISH SOMETHING WAGGGHHH I CANT FINISH ANYTHING FUCK STUDY HELL FUCK SKETCH HELL AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>5179406

If she tries to go through with it, unironically do not call the cops. They'll arrest her for 3 days and then forcibly commit her in a nearby hospital.

Consider a suicide hotline. I hear theyre good.
Assuming shes not memeing, that is.

>>5177851
Download your references and shut off the internet/ block your devices from it while you draw.

>>5179569
She is almost certainly memeing. I’m sure like 99% of people that say it are full of shit. Like if you were gonna kill yourself you’d just do it. What have you got to gain by telling someone? Having your plan stopped. That’s literally it

>>5179569
Sometimes that's what people need.

And they don't arrest people for 3 days. They show up and take the suicidal person to the hospital to treat injuries and talk to someone. From there someone at the hospital decides if they are a threat to themselves or others. If not they are sent home. If yes, they are committed to a mental hospital until they cool off and improve.

Suicide hotlines aren't always good. Sometimes they just yell at you or hang up on you. If they hear whats going on and think the person youre talking about is a threat to themselves, they will urge you to call the emergency number and get authorities involved anyways.

>>5179406
Older or younger? Asking for no reason.

>>5177775
Ehhhh just relax and take it easy desu
I decided to pretty much coast through college after getting in and seeing all the big boys cause I realized I'm not one of the one in a million people to make the next big advancement or discovery. I won't be able to make a mech but if I did it would take me throwing away probably my entire life for it and at that point I wouldn't even be able to pilot it
Being good enough is perfectly fine in a world full of mediocre people

>>5179406
try revisiting something she enjoyed together as a start

>Not motivated for Drawing
>Decide do other thing instead
>also have to grind for that
>masturbate

How do I stop getting pissed and wanting to quit whenever I suck at something?

>>5179883
First of all curb your ego. You are not special, you do not have a „hidden talent” that will propel you upwards like an anime underdog protagonist when the time comes. Once you’re done with that, consider your own enjoyment - do I enjoy drawing in the slightest? Do I feel like if I get better I will have even more fun doing it? If the answer is yes, then just grit your teeth and grind through the beginning phases for the sake of that future enjoyment, just like you would when just starting out at a gym. If the answer is no, then consider a different hobby.

Hate to admit it, but when it comes down to making art, I only care about pretty girls, and everything else is secondary. Tried fighting it for years, tried looking for other things to focus on. Didn't work out.

Has anyone else on Pixiv gotten these? I received these two comments on my art in chinese and I think they're spam for a movie forum, but this link seems too suspicious to be clicked on. Is it just an autist telling me about parental control or a spam campaign? It also mentions shotas and "exclusive photos" so that's concerning.

>"finally, a day off of work!"
>somehow end up sleeping for 16 hours

>>5179935
How’s your sleep schedule normally? Do you sleep 8 hours a day when you’re working?

>>5179902
Not that guy.
>You are not special, you do not have a hidden talent
I've realized already that I have no talent whatsoever after years
>Once you’re done with that, consider your own enjoyment - do I enjoy drawing in the slightest?
No
>Why don't you quit
Because its what I really want to do, to the point I make a daily habit of doing it despite having a well paid career already and I have this dumb idea that if I try very hard everyday for a long time I might come to enjoy my art, be able to make things that I like and follow my dreams. I'm the worst kind of fool, one with hope.

>>5179929
>"When in doubt, ATTACK!" - George S. Patton

Anyway I never got those comments. I also never touched anything written in chinese, they are spam central

>>5179959
Yep, I searched a bit and it's a cp site. definitely thankful for tor

>>5179916
>I only care about pretty girls, and everything else is secondary
Shirow masamune literally made an entire career with that mindset

>>5179943
Yes.

>>5179970
FOR ANTS GOD DAMN IT

>>5177386
People don't only commission artist for porn you goofy motherfucker. You and everyone else who has the same notion really need to get it out your head that porn is the only way to make money on art.

>>5179948
Well, at least it seems like you have your life in order, which you should be proud of desu - and it gives you the stability and security to make attempts at drawing without financial or time pressure, too. In my opinion, if after years you’re still not enjoying it even in the slightest, you should try switching things up - try different mediums, different styles, different subject matter... Maybe something will click - and even if it’s not the thing you wanted to do originally, it would at least give you room to improve and go back later to your designated styles/subjects with more confidence and less anxiety.
>>5179977
That’s rough then - if that’s the case I don’t really have any good advice aside from trying to live a healthy lifestyle in general.

>>5178144
>>5178091
>>5178166
Seething mentally ill artist.

>>5179970
Thank you. I'll try to enjoy what I've got — and practice my vehicle design.

>>5180007
I hope you die.

>>5179557
lmao, I don't understand why people play this social cat and mouse game; confront the person in dms or just unfollow them. There's no reason to keep leeches, especially as an artist around.

I really hate drawing digitally but I feel like nobody is going to commission me unless it's digital. I hate having to fuck around with settings all the time and shit and constantly having to reset all settings because I fucked it up in some way I don't understand. None of the default brushes in clip studio feel right to me and even when I download brushes they still feel wrong

>>5180014
>Unironically having a mental break down over a handful of negative comments on the internet despite the majority of people supporting you and a handful of people wanting to give money for your work
>Unironically wishing death on people because they're not stroking your ego 24/7
You legitimately need therapy. As fun as it is watching artist have a shit fit over benign comments, I urge you to figure out why shitposting sets you off like that.

I wish I wasn't this much of a pussy and just finally got into story time animation. It just feels like it's really hard to get a style down that won't get you compared to the other animators out there

>>5180034
Well you have to start with something - even if your style is not original in the beginning, it’s bound to evolve and branch out as you gain mileage.

>>5180037
you're right anon. I can whine all I want but if I want to get somewhere I actually gotta do something first.

I hate you. I never want to see your faec again.

especially in the next life

And the life after the next life.

>>5179465
have less than 600$ in my bank account, and I already own a shitty car.
Why do kids with no real world experience always feel obligated to give life advice.

>>5180136
maybe stop buying Big Macs and you’ll have more than $600 in your bank account.

I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you

>>5180138
ok boomer

>>5178085
based sociopath

>>5180026
Can't talk for other 'mentally ill artists', but trolling comments set me off because I had an abusive childhood. It doesn't always happen, but on 'bad' days after seeing them I can have flashbacks about being 5 year old and my mother yelling and beating me, telling me that I'll always be worthless and she wants me to die. These can lead to a panic attack that incapacitates me for hours.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but everyone here seems to be a bit on edge these days. Do you know why? Are you concerned that something terrible might happen? If so, what do you fear most?

>>5180180
sounds like a (You) problem anon. I was called stupid or autistic my entire life and was responsible for being the only responsible person in a household of 4 other adults at the age of 13. But I don't get triggered whenever someone calls me dumb over the internet. Again go get some therapy you fucking baby.

>>5180180
The only thing that upsets me is when people tell me anything hopeful or encouraging. Like when someone says I'm going to make it. No I'm not going to make it, stop telling me this bullshit.

9/10 times when someone says something is “pretentious”, that just means it’s actually good. i’ve rarely seen something bad called pretentious by mouth breathers. it’s like a fatass making fun of a skinny person for being “anorexic”. deep down you know that if they had something actually damning to say they would say it, instead they let their insecurity about not understanding something take over and expose their own shit taste.

>>5180224
Wow, that hair looks like hair.

>>5180216
>get some therapy you fucking baby
I'm poor and live in a country where therapy is a meme, so I'll most likely get some uneducated cunt scamming me for money or telling me to go to church. But thanks for your concern. I hope cursing me and showing everyone here how much better than me you are helps you go through your day :3

>>5176989
>>5177496
>>5179702
please be my girlfriend
>>5180224
things that are bad aren't meant to be meaningful so they can't be pretentious. :D

>think of nice usernames
>google it
>fucker already had it inactive
Fuck these people

>>5177496
this image is a big mood

>>5180224
Maybe you just don't know the meaning of the word. Something pretentious can be needlessly complicated, like when a movie talks its way around a plot that really isn't that complicated just to seem "complex." Hilariously, a lot of anime do this, so I'm not surprised you think pretentious stuff is actually good.

I don't know where to go. I have to leave this board absolutely but I don't know where else to go.

>>5180769
Try dying.

>>5180769
Back to the lab again, yo

>>5176766
>get hired for a commission
>client sends a pose sketch alongside
>it's a completely stiff, incorrect pose
>try to follow it but move it just a bit to be more dynamic and correct
>client sees it and says "no I want it just like the pose sketch I made"
getting commissioned by other artists is hell

>get depressed
>only manage to put any effort into drawing if its porn of my weird fetish
Good god I hate being mentally ill

>>5178076
>leave a negative comment that added nothing
I alo said "it's such a rare bodytype, I have no idea how you manage to come up with it". It wasn't negative.

>>5180921
not that anon but projecting your body insecurity on a drawing is autistic as hell, and it's even more when saying it to the artist. I too had a woman once comment how a curvy lady in a drawing of mine made her insecure. The fuck do you want someone to reply to that?

>>5177965
Why do you assume they didn’t care about you?

>>5180798
This is the plan after I have no anchors left. I have been desperately trying to find some hope but it looks like everything is completely fucked within myself, my immediate close people, my town, my country, the world, the few things that kept me here have become hopelessly corrupted and I cannot do anything about it.

I miss actual art communities. We have art hubs on social media, but that’s not what I want. I miss forums and sites that were by artists, for artists. The closest I have right now is /ic/ and ToyHouse, the latter having an average age of like 14 so I’d be more like a parent than a friend to the average person there. I want the Internet back.

>>5180981
There are many people who feel like this but they just vent it anonymously and keep trudging along on social media and places like this one.

>>5180981
This is common, thanks to social media. When the forums died, everyone thought "well, people are getting jobs and families, so of course they have less time"
Now it turns out, they do have the time to scroooll on instabookchanddit. I also want the old internet back.

>>5181015
>I also want the old internet back.
The old internet was a community effort. People actually cared about each other. People now want the old internet to be passive consumers on it. These two things are in direct antithesis, the old internet felt good because the people in it were human beings and they looked at each other as human beings, now you look at each other like content to consume so it will never feel the same, and all attempt to recreate the old internet will fail because of this. The old internet wasn't even that different from what we have now in the sense that most of its content was low effort and derivative, what mattered is that people had in mind that there were human beings behind the site/screen. And now this is completely gone because of the fucking normalfags and their fucking phones.

>>5181000
Checked, also that is so true. I should look into making a 2007 dA clone.

>during the drawing session get constantly hit by some weird deja vu
>finish and post it
>only now, looking at my gallery, notice I drew the exact same character in the exact same pose less than two months ago
>at least it looks better, so nobody pointed it out

>>5181046
>I should look into making a 2007 dA clone.
the issue is people, not websites

>>5180946
Jeez, mate, don't let the crabs win. If you kill yourself, they win. Live just to spite them. Try to feel good, so they see you not give a fuck about their bs and get mad.
It doesn't only apply to /ic/ crabs, by the way.

>>5181040
I don't want it to consooom, I want it to partake like I did when it still existed. Have a personal thread per user where I can comment and gibe tips, have an own thread where I get tips. Share cool tutorials I find. Have strong moderation that just bans people who draw only lolicoom or just shitpost.

Also destroy phones and social media

>>5181040
>>5181078

there was the german digitalartforum. The people just left, it was getting slower and slower. 5 years ago we still had artbattles with participants and then suddenly everything changed.

>>5181078
Based don’t let retards ruin the internet for you. Remember you can hide what you want and pay attention to what you want. Make that personal thread, post shit in it. Take in useful stuff and ignore the useless. What value is the opinion of someone who doesn’t see you as human? You WILL get shitposters but honestly every person I’ve seen consistently post in their own threads actually ends up being supported. It’s just a shame that they all end up being schizos because I guess it takes a schizo to blow off all the shit that will get thrown at you. Take the schizoposter pill anon

>>5181062
>Live just to spite them.
You have no idea how tiring it is to live in resentment. This is how people go insane and become murderers or something, it's a constant pain and anger every day. I don't want to live just to be consumed by the resentment I feel toward the world. I just want some peace. I cannot single-handedly change everyone else just to get what I want. I have too many personal issues that I haven't managed to sort out in years of effort, and I cannot seriously think I can lead anyone else anywhere and change anything even assuming I magically acquire all the qualities I would need to lead them.
And change what, in what way? How can I think that what I want is objectively a change for the best? The majority seems fine with what is there. Honestly every now and then I think this is maybe the best way things can be, and the price for is it that incompatible people just drop off the picture. I'm tired of hearing this shit that all lives are precious as if every single person mattered. I don't want to work for a company making products I don't care about that make the world worse in my eyes, I cannot make art so there is nothing for me to do. And every day I unnecessarily spend here is a day I'm helping make things worse according to what I think is worse. I should cancel my chronic illness therapy and let myself die off.

>>5181096
Another thing: As much as I like my memories of pre-2010 4chan, I do not want my stuff to be associated with a page that is mostly known for Q, stormfags on pol or tons of coomshit. I love the missing political correctness, the shitposting, the name-calling, the "forbidden thoughts", but I surely don't want my stuff to become associated with this hellhole. I'm drawing comics etc. but I would never post them here, because of the above mentioned reasons.

>>5181078
It's like you cannot make a Discord server or a PHPBB forum or anything you want. The issue is that other people won't participate.

>>5177965
>people didnt spend their every walking moment sucking your cock and asking about your day
>they just enjoyed your art and you had the numbers to show it
>nuke everything anyways
here is my vent, artists who nuke their shit when they "cant handle social media :((" or some bullshit like that are faggots, literally just walk away from the screen or block the website but dont fuck over the people who actually want to see your work

>>5181137
>dont fuck over the people who actually want to see your work
if the people aren't paying you they have no right to anything desu.

I want to jerk off but know that if I do there's no way in hell I'll draw today

>>5181137
If they dont save the art they like its their own fault if they dont see it again after the artist nukes their account.

>>5177965
Fuck you itsu

>>5181153
... it only takes 2 minutes

>>5181278
Well with your hand, yeah. But using an onahole requires maintenance afterwards. Not him but I really don’t fap with my hand anymore.

>>5178724
>>5178876
How aren't these people feeding their pet daily, what the fuck?

>>5181287
>[instead of parents]

>>5180946
>>5181098
You sound like a mentally ill anti-coomlord. This is your punishment for shitting up this website and thinking that you belonged here just because you were also an outcast from other places. Nowhere exists for people like you, because each and every one of you are too stupid and inferior to start your own forum. Wallow in your anger and die.

AHAHAHAHAHA AAAAAAAAAAH AHAHHAHAHA
hahah AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

you FOOOOL HAHAHAHAHAHAH

I have returned home from my first day of wage slaving in 9 months.
My feet hurt.
My skin is dry.
I have already completed my daily chores and am drawing rn. I'd wait until the dead of night to make a five minute scribble and say I hit my quota for the day literally a week before this.
My brain is not developed enough to handle freedom.
I will be a slave for life.

>>5181322
pursue greatness, even under the threat of death.

>>5181301
>You sound like a mentally ill anti-coomlord.
Being clean in the land of addicts makes you abnormal, but I didn't mention porn once. That's just you being obsessed. If my issue was just porn I would have been happy on another site. I actually made attempts to start a community and they didn't work until I resigned that this reality is completely centralized outside of temporary novelties. But I know you're just one of the underage faggots here and you'll start to talk shit, and I'm tired and I know how this plays out in the next posts, so spare me this little game of (you)s and fuck off right away tyvm.

>>5181465
Oh yeah well your mom.

>>5181465
If your crusade is just some kind of vague hippie anti-consumerist shit than that's even more embrassing. People like you are always jabbering about how you would be happier as a caveman, but you still partake in all the things you claim to hate.
>p-pls fuck off
How about you stop crying here and leave like you claim to want to? Aren't you a divine stoicist who resists all temptations?

>>5181153
I can't draw unless I jerk off, problem is I need to do it like 3 times and it can be quite time consuming.

Does erasing to get good shapes is a good approach to painting digitally?
I feel like I shouldn't do it because it seems to be impossible to do in traditionnal (correct me if I'm wrong).

>>5181054
>the issue is people, not websites
Absolutely this. people don't get that with the introduction of smart phones and the cheap internet plans that come with them, the amount of underage and retarded people on the internet has skyrocketed. We're never going back to those times where we had small communities with most people being generally respectful.

How do you make art friends on discord?
I'm boring as fuck and have no conversation topics so everyone sees me as the awkward dude whose there.
Meanwhile people are swapping cute gift art of each other's ocs, excluding mine.

why do women kill discord servers?
It never fails.
every single time

>>5181679
Women promoted to positions of power always, without fail, ruins everything.

>>5177496
... you get that they took time and dedication to get to that point, right? Sitting around and WISHING you were as good and shit-posting on social media all day gets you a big bowl of disappointment.
Here's a pro-tip, artists equate quality with time/effort not skill. If you talk big art talk and then can't back it up with skill, you look like a fake. If you put in a sincere effort (aka 'this 'sketch' took me three days ... i suck but i want to get better') and you actually put the effort into improving over the next 6 months, they'll appreciate it and you'll be cool.

>>5181794
>If you put in a sincere effort (aka 'this 'sketch' took me three days ... i suck but i want to get better') and you actually put the effort into improving over the next 6 months, they'll appreciate it and you'll be cool.
This is false in my experience. If you are unskilled even if you have managed to attain progress over time they simply don't care. Can't blame them however since the art is still bad and I don't think I would bother either in their situation.

>>5181679
Don't use Discord.

I wasted 120 hours on the Vilppu Drawing Manual. I literally logged my hours. 32 hours for gesture, 32 hours for spherical forms, box forms, combining box and spheres, etc. I wanted to tear down my fundamentals from the ground up and "go back to zero" to get a good foundation (as a new years resolution), but FUCK I could've spent my time better.

I wish I hadn't done it. But now I realize why the Vilppu Drawing Manual is going out of print. The biggest weakness with the book, and other courses like it, is that it has EXERCISES.

When a course is filled with exercises, and you respect a teacher so much that you're willing to cross heaven and earth for them, you pour yourself into the exercises. But when you pour yourself into the exercises, it makes you feel like you're wasting your time if you do aynthing else, that any other kind of drawing is less efficient for your learning. Then you want to just grind.

The best drawing books have no exercises, rather they tell you how to improve with any kind of drawing. "Here is the theory, and here's how you should think about drawing". Not... "draw a sphere and a box inside of a sock a thousand times, over and over." or "keep drawing boxes until you're the master of the box". When you consider this, you realize that fun with a pencil is actually a better book, and Michael Hampton is better to learn from, even though he doesn't teach observational drawing or rendering.

FUCK ALL THAT. I COULD'VE BEEN DRAWING MANGA. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK THE VILPPU DRAWING MANUAL ONLY HIS LECTURES ARE GOOD. STICK WITH HIS LECTURES DON'T DO HIS BOOK. GODDDDD FUCKING DAMN

Pyw

>>5181679
They ruin everything, not just discord servers. You should just gatekeep them and show them their place as soon as they join your circle

>>5182062
>is that it has EXERCISES.
But that's good, I like when there are exercises involved instead of here is the thing now fuck you. Guess it depends on the type of person.

>>5182077
When do you know when the exercises are done??? What is preventing me from grinding them into eternity? I have finished work and ideas I want to realize, but I loved Vilppu so much (for his lectures) that I wanted to see the genius inside his drawing manual as well. Fuck, I wish his drawing manual just had the same material as with his lectures, instead of those basic form exercises. You learn basic forms from drawing from life anyways.

I'm sorry for spazzing out about vilppu. I just realized I wasted a month of my life. That's all.

His lectures are really good. they go over simple concepts like rhythm, ellipses, overlaps, corners, cross-contours, basic procedures, rendering, etc that you can improve with any kind of drawing. Yeah, the assignments were with figures, but the point is that you can take those concepts into any drawing. However, his book is filled with exercises like "draw two spheres connected with each other" or "draw boxes" without offering any of the same theory that his lectures have. Kinda ticks me off but whatever, I guess Vilppu has a lot of material he wants to monetize.

>decide to paint the moon
>”its just a big white circle. It won’t be that hard”
>paint it
>looks like shit
>mfw I have to look up tutorials on how to paint the fucking moon

I want to get drawing better in a particular subject matter and I genuinely enjoy it at its core. That being said, I had a nasty falling out with my friend last month and we both enjoyed this subject matter. As much as I KNOW I'm gaining experience and grinding for this subject, the creeping idea that I'm doing it out of spite to "seem better at it" disturbs me. I don't like being vindictive, and I have a lot of distaste for the idea of doing something out of spite. I want to do this because I like it, not because I need to show off to someone I don't work well with anymore in the off chance they'll see it and seethe.

>>5182102
dont cry, the subtle values those craters make are hard!

>>5181933
There’s usually a good reason. Unskilled artists (not you necessarily but in general) tend to mope, beg for help but not put in any of the effort, think they’ll somehow get good by osmosis of being around good artists I guess, beg for free art, or are just actually not into art and want to socialize with no art stuff. It’s a liability to make friends with them. You do not know what you’ll get.

>>5176766
i love tadokoro-san
makes me want to draw yuri
i love girls hugging and kissing and loving each other
makes my heart happy
like junk food for the soul

>>5182127

>>5182131
it's so nice though...

i just wish i was good enough to draw it

>>5182135

>>5182142
good thing i'm gay

>>5182150

This...
But nobody really cares though, do they?
You either make it or you don't, and that's that.

>>5176766
japanese have their own crab bucket mentality, but rather than crabs they think of themselves as 'eternal monkeys'

so whatever they do it will basically amount to an ape hitting rocks together pretending to be a human

>>5176766
people say hard work is more important than talent.
I believe them, but how tf do i become a hard worker? I have barely managed to keep my resolution of drawing for a single shitty hour per day. Every fucking oppurtunity i find myself sleeping or wasting time on the internet.

(im not the artist of this pic, he probably is a hard worker)

>>5182255
you have to realize you're not helpless against it. Working hard just takes pure guts and to constantly remind yourself what is really important.

>>5182127
This, i'm unironically learning to draw to make yuri fanart

>>5182255
Hard worker here, make drawing an habit part of your daily routine. Its more important to be constant than to try to do 100000 hours crunch in a day just to fall apart later. Starting is the hardest part, so if you manage to stick to the schedule the first month it becomes second nature after that and expand after that.

Also I would say talent is MUCH more important than hard work, people don't like coming up to terms with this because talented people wouldn't like to admit talent is that important and hard workers like to think they have a real chance at competing, however if you are absolutely untalented as me hard work is the ONLY path available.

Also when you have met people who are both super talented and super hard workers you realize you really have no chance to compete at all and you truly wouldn't be able to catch up to them in 10 lifetimes, its sad but I really want to do art so I keep on putting the work.

>>5182304
Maybe I should have said I operate under the assumption that hard work pays off, since its the only variable i can (hope to) change. Whether talent is real or not doesn't change that i need to practice if i want to even have a chance at getting better.

That said, I think that hard work is enough to get to at least a COMPETENT level. I mean, maybe to be ilya repin or KJG you need talent (and hard work), but i should at least be able to become as competent as one the other millions of merely 'OK' artists. I don't think that EVERY SINGLE motherfucker who draws for a living is talented.

Idk. Maybe that is that is the case, and I am just particularly bad. I still think giving up is a bitch move and I would be more dissapointed in myself for giving up than I am disappointed in myself for being incompetent.

>>5182328
Yes, you can become a competent artist with hard work. You can also become a good artist through a lot of hard work, but it takes a lot of time.

>>5181482
>People like you are always jabbering about how you would be happier as a caveman, but you still partake in all the things you claim to hate.
I have always made constructive posts on this board that people appreciated, outside of this thread there are a bunch of them. I believed I could improve or change things for the best but I was wrong given the state of this place. This was the reason why I'm so let down. I thought that good efforts mattered in the end but they only make the entropy slower and more painful. But I'm not allowed to vent in a vent thread, what do you want from me?
>How about you stop crying here and leave like you claim to want to?
Yeah. I'll go on Reddit. Such a shame though.

>promise one or two drawings
>finish both in under 2-3 hours
>promise 3 or more drawings
>it's already been a full day and all I've got are a bunch of raw sketches

All fucking day today Ive been thinking "Im gonna draw in a bit", now its already nighttime and I havent done anything
I hate my ADHD

Where do i farm purpose?

I have come to realize why I'm still /beg/ at drawing after all these years. But it's not just drawing, it's everything I picked up that requires a long amount of practice. I look back at playing WoW in my young teen years on my shitty DSL connection with 1GB of RAM spending long hours trying to get good at the ga---oh wait no I don't think I ever did try to get good at WoW.

See, I would reach end game and then not put in the effort afterwards to do raids or arena or join Guilds that were for the cool, serious boys only. Instead I would just gank lowbies all day. That was enough for me, but why? Because it made me smile. Something I don't do often IRL. Nothing makes me smile IRL. As long as I could smile it was good enough. But the fun ends up getting ruined when the person I'm ganking brings their fully decked, seasonal geared main and spawn camps me until I log out.

Wouldn't it be fun to kill lowbies, not be killed by guards, AND kill the same guy who brings his main for revenge? Never came across my mind. Or maybe it did, but just LMAO'ing at ganking people was enough.

It's the same for /ic/. Wouldn't it be fun to shit on /begs/ and shit on /high ints/ when I get challenged to PYW? It would, but that would require effort. Lots of effort. Instead I'd rather enjoy the laughs I get from shitposting while I continue to "try and learn to draw". Am I really trying though? No, not really. I wasn't even scratching the surface. I have professional drawing equipment only to make myself feel like a pro. Yes I have been drawing things since I was, like, 12, but somewhere along the line the internet provided me an outlet to have lots of laughs; something I couldn't get anymore IRL. No matter what community I joined and no matter the outlet. But now...

the internet isn't what it once was. I still get my cheap laughs here and gaming but it's not as much. I finally at my age want something more. I want to go pro so I can laugh again and shit on /begs/ and pros without fear.

>>5182634
And I want to put my funny thoughts into the form of drawing the way I imagine it. Without being afraid to do a technique that I can't execute because I still didn't learn it yet. Yes I truly understand now.

My nearly 15 years of internet use was made up largely of just trolling others. And I want to stop it until I'm the one who is truly good and untouchable.

>>5176766
I thought this was about the discontinuing of the colored Mitsubishi pencils

i really enjoy the rendering process but goddamn i fuck up so many times before i can actually draw shit accurately enough to be worth finishing
how the fuck do i draw what i see
something isn't clicking

>>5182634
And even yet, probably a lot of the people you trolled went ahead and achieved great things and fulfillment. And here you are, you will never achieve fulfillment, you realized your big mistake too late and your life will be empty, and it was all your own doing.

>>5182686

>too late
>only 27
I'd rather notice this now than be 37 with erectile dysfunction. If autism has taught me anything it's I can turn it around and use it to my advantage. And I'm NEET again, probably until the summer comes, so I'm going to get out of /beg/. I need to.

To destroy those who did achieve that fulfillment that I was left out of and those who continue to seek the very fulfilment I desire. And especially those who wronged me, both past and present, and want nothing more than to not let me reach fulfillment because they themselves cannot. Yes, this is my revenge arc.

>>5182634
>>5182634
God. It actually genuinely sucks to be you. I don’t even draw I was just board hopping and god damn are you pathetic. Is this post serious? Are lots of people here like this? Of course the 4chan drawing board would be like the r9k of art forums kek

>>5182634
I utterly despise zoomers.

Lost my tablet pen when a heater pipe in my room burst and flooded my house.

Why are you Asians so judgemental?

>>5182838
they know the truth

>>5182849
it seems my artworks is always getting torn apart by the asians in discord.

>>5182863
torn apart regarding what?

>>5182873
the same old crab talking points

>>5182875
This doesn't explain much but I guess you don't want to expose yourself.

>>5176766
I love drawing and have nothing to vent about so I feel disconnected from the depressed shit that it is this board.

Also, my IP is blocked for no reason so I can't post anything.

Anyone just not have any friends?
Even when I did, I was always the "lowest priority"- the guy you only remember to invite because another person couldn't show up...
No one's ever looked forward to seeing me. I always had to initiate if I wanted to see someone, and even then they all umm'd and err'd their way out.

It's not like I'm asocial or anything, at least I don't think so. Just seems no matter what I do I'm always, at best, a low-priority friend and at worst a scapegoat.

>>5182910
What kind of art do you make?

>>5182910
Who needs friends.

>>5182879
if I told you who i was, then id have to kill you

>>5182934
WHERE DID YOU HIDE THE DIAMONDS

>>5182934
try me frog

>>5182934
You’re that guy who did that Genshin fanart of Mona, huh?

>>5182934
looks like we got ourselves a Mexican standoff

>>5182910
I used to, for most of my highschool years, but then I started to work out. It's not just about the body shape, there is a big confidence boost that comes along with it which imo much more important. Talking with people is now a breeze since the fear of fucking up a conversation is significantly reduced, which somehow makes people approach you a lot more

>>5182944
I genuinely think there’s some sort of pheromones or shit that people release. Even wearing baggy clothes I still talk to people easier and have more social success since lifting. I feel like I act exactly the same but results are just better.

>>5182944
>>5182949
What if you just hate people?

how do i kill myself

>>5181134
exactly that's the problem. The old internet is dead, not because the technology or infrastructure is missing, but because society has changed somehow. We have these soul eaters like facebook and twitter now, which are utterly horrible to humans.

Every day I spend hours drawing and it still looks like shit. I've practiced tutorials and read books and still my art is cringey dogshit despite drawing for 7 years. I look at these young people ages 18-22 and they're drawing better things with less effort than I can and I'm 8 years older than them. I feel like a waste of life, have chronic pains in my body and my health is deteriorating every year. My soulless low paying job is wearing me down to the nub, I'm a friendless virgin, my mother that I still live with is getting old and sick, house older than me is falling apart.

Every day I understand more how those monks can light themselves on fire in public spaces to send a message.

>>5183006
Pretty much and what makes it funnier is that people who claim they're different won't even try to be part of a community anymore because they probably never had this instinct and just went with what other people did. Basically all the internal mechanics that created kinship and communities were so insanely fragile that as long as the internet open up a consoom only heaven they went extinct overnight. Amazing. I love people so much. It's wonderful when you realize that everyone's a literal fucking NPC and you are the one person in maybe thousands of miles who still has the fortitude to try except it's completely useless because the framework is gone.

>>5183000
We're all already dead

>>5183051
I honestly do not miss the “Jack Ross and 69 other peopled liked this post” feature on forums. I fondly remember that pissing me off. I’m also pretty sure like/dislike buttons started showing up as a self moderation to downvote bad forum posts when like buttons became the new norm.

There were good things but lets not pretend the past was all that glamorous. It’s just too many of the wrong people have access to the internet is the problem.

>>5183000
Wait for my instructions first.

>>5182941
no, im not asian.

>>5182953
Lift to make your life easier. Live longer doing what you want avoiding people. Stay agile for longer. Feel more comfortable. Being weak is uncomfortable

>>5183051
>you are the one person in maybe thousands of miles who still has the fortitude to try except it's completely useless because the framework is gone.
This.
Why bother reaching out if all you gonna get is either ignored or getting seen as the weirdo for having the audacity to actually express yourself with more than one sentence, initiate conversations or commiting the crime of actually discussing something?
I still lurk a forum... and fuck me it's filled with retards just trying to get likes and attention.
All they talk is consume.
>"Oh, have you consumed this? I like consuming that! OMG we consume the same thing!"
Normies ruin everything.

>>5183000
Knowing how I could do it actually made it easier to keep going. Cutting down on social media and going outside also helps sometimes. It doesn't cure anything but it can direct your attention elsewhere
And talk to someone without feeling ashamed of your feelings

>>5183151
>Helium bags
>painless
>he doesn't know
Whether that works or not, is really up in the air.

>>5183151
Helium tanks have oxygen in them retard

It's all so tiring

>>5183165
not him but they started adding oxygen because it worked a bit too well

>12 year old draws better than me
Let me join you >>5183000

>>5183165
Why did you have to rat me out like that

>I still remember the combination lock of a gate code in elementary school.
But I looked on google maps 3D thingy and it looks like the gate no longer exists. They replaced it with a tall wooden fence so there is no back entrance anymore. Dumb random thought.

>>5182910
Maybe you’re unconsciously doing things to push people away or make them feel awkward?

>>5183346
Is this common? I do this all the time. I constantly self-sabotage and it's almost out of my control.

Anyone else finish pieces but never post them?
I get a decent number of positive responses but 99% of the time I'm just unhappy with them.

>There's something I wanted, but it's not this
Yet I can't seem to figure out what that 'something' is.
I feel stuck. I'm getting technically better and faster, yet it feels I haven't budged an inch all these years

>>5183392
Same. I have crippling self-esteem issues and I think it's a way to protect myself. When I submit something to public scrutiny I start feeling physically sick until I take it down.

>>5182728
You will never make it. You want to be better than everyone else. Not only there is always someone better, in art there is a fucking shitload of them and they all have a lifetime of advantage already and most of them do it because they enjoy it. You will burn yourself through your own poison, several times before you even get anywhere.

>>5180937
>saying something doesn't appeal to you is body insecurity
Oh my fucking god, now I'm starting to wonder if EVERY artist is a fucking bitch, holy shit. Saying you don't like something isn't even a negative comment, it's just a matter of opinion therefore, subjective and neutral, had I said the perspective was shit or the body type itself was shit it would be a different matter. What I'm gathering is that artists are insecure oversensitive little bitches that take EVERYTHING that isn't a strictly positive comment as a personal insult. No wonder twitter is full of shallow forced positivity, no wonder so many artists plateau, this is, and I never use that term, a self created toxic culture where people end up walking on eggshells because they can't be honest about the oh poor poor artists feelings.

I wonder what Picasso would think nowadays since his works were MEANT to instigate negative emotions on people, he'd probably be both dumbfounded and pissed that people would end up trying to say positive things about his works.

>>5183492
I only have to be better than 99% of /ic/. That’s obtainable.

>>5183499
Maybe you have spent way too much time on the /beg/ thread but /ic/ actually manages to produce a lot of good artists, even if you don't count all the ones that stop posting altogether after they make it and graduate from the crab bucket

>spend a bunch of time making elaborate edgy-kinda pieces, it's hard but I have fun doing it
>no one cares
>shit out a cute cartoony doodle i deem "easy" within an hour, don't have any fun making it
>everyone loves it

I hate my cartoons so much I don't even like being associated with them. They don't teach me anything new, there's nowhere to push myself with them. But nobody likes the stuff I'm actually passionate about. I see other successful artists with similar styles and I don't know what I'm missing. My cuter stuff got me up to 10k instagram followers and it's rapidly dropping now that I'm making stuff that makes me happy. Why even bother sharing.

>>5183505
I’m aware of those people and keep tabs on them. I’ll beat them, too. I’m more motivated than I have ever been in my life.

>>5183507
You won't beat me.

>>5183510
Are you the top 1%?

I DESERVE A CUTE GF NOW NOW NOW
I WILL NOT LOWER MY STANDARDS
I WILL NOT MAKE ANY EFFORT TO IMPROVE MYSELF
I DESERVE A 10/10 GODDESS GF BECAUSE I AM THE PROTAGONIST OF THE UNIVERSE!!!

>>5181794
>... you get that they took time and dedication to get to that point, right?
of course. and I never implied otherwise. I know the type you speak of though and ironically I've had experiences with those types that are more like anchors than art buddies.
I've also never "talked big" and was always completely honest with how long it takes me to do things and how much I needed to improve. And I never begged them for help either.
They meant well but I just choked under the pressure; and I don't think they expected just how steep the dip in quality would be either.
Speed is important to the particular community I was in so it makes sense they'd lose interest too (we still chat sometimes since we share other interests but they've found a group of faster, more skilled people to draw with now).
I'll keep improving 100% but I can only do it at my own pace since that's all the time I really have these days.

>>5183506
this post is similar to many others on this board and the answer is always the same:

things like instagram are geared towards this sort of audience. think about it like showing your work to a group of preschoolers or something. they want to see cute stuff, paw patrol, they want garbage. they aren't going to respond to skeleton jelly or whatever you're drawing. if you are playing the social media views game, you need to play to their tastes.

your options are:
1. become comfortable with not being popular drawing your art for art's sake, because the system is rigged against you
2. draw a bunch of the cute stuff until you get a decent following and then bait and switch them with the stuff you actually want to draw until only the people who want to see that stuff are left
3. find some other outlet for your art. social media is corrupt and the incentives to get your stuff seen are to be marketable and cute.

>>5183719
it's funny that we exist in a world where 10k people who like our work following us is disappointing and sad. I'd be happy for even 5-10 people who wanted to see my stuff regularly. 150+ passionate fans are enough to make a living on patreon

>>5183724
You people get likes?

>>5183384
Self-sabotage is very common, just about everyone does it or has done it to some degree. Don’t beat yourself up about it, but maybe be a bit more mindful in your interactions with people going forward?

>>5183733
the FUCK you mean, "you people," cracker?!

Does anyone else get really nervous when dealing with commissioners? For no particular reason

>>5183719
Yeah but there's plenty of artists with a non-cute portfolio and they do well. Babezord, massiveface, heavy.hand, caestrad, ohnonatalie, and crap_panther are a few people I follow and they get a lot of attention. Insta definitely promotes the easily digestible stuff more, but there's a niche for dark stuff I just can't hit.

>>5183724
That's the thing. They follow me for work I'm not proud of and don't enjoy creating. On one hand I of course tremendously appreciate the support, but the huge encouragement for the stuff I hate paired with little support for the stuff I'm proud of doesn't feel great.

But in the same breath I gotta say, Instagrammers are normies who typically are shocked at how much commissions cost. These aren't the kinds of people I can make migrate to a Patreon. In terms of income, Twitter is the move. It's filled with more people who, in my experience, have a greater appreciation for art and are happy to pay market prices for it.

>>5176998
>i think you gotta unfix yourself from your ambitions and fall in love with the process again, man.
What do you do if you never loved the process in the first place? Seriously I just wish there was a way to Ctrl-C the pics in my head and Ctrl-V them onto my computer.

>>5184300
Are you the rat udders guy?

>tfw I want to draw, but I hate drawing.

I feel like I'm permanently stuck in symbol drawing mode. I takes a shitload of focus to try and imagine the individual lines and shapes I need to be drawing, and I feel like my brain is screaming at me to stop doing it that way.

I hate the lack of precision when it comes to drawing pictures; perfect symmetry and exact measurements feel "correct," but it always produces some uncanny feeling when doing it with natural objects. I've used AutoCAD before and had great success with drawing various tools and floor plans, but trying to draw something a simple person feels impossible.

I hate how learning art doesn't seem to work the same way as all the other skills I've learned. With stuff like coding, I can examine other people's programs and experiment with them in order to figure out how they work and how to incorporate the things they've done into my own work. If I run into a problem, I usually have some idea what the problem is and can either experiment to work it out myself or easily look up solutions online. With art, looking at other people's drawings hasn't helped me much. I don't understand what other artists are doing, I can't take apart their pictures and figure out how they work. Often times, when my pictures don't look right, I'm not even sure what I've done wrong. I don't know what kind of help to look for, or what I should be doing differently. Usually the only help I get is to keep grinding, keep drawing even though I don't know what I'm doing. That sounds insane to me, like if I told someone that writing 100 print statements every day for a few years will make them a better programmer.

I just want to take the pictures inside my head, and get them out of my head. Since we don't have any kind of brain linking tools yet, drawing seems like my best bet. But it frustrates me to no end. I hate drawing with a passion.

>>5184336
then i'd suggest re-assessing whether it's worth it to pursue booba

>drawing
>sudden influx of intense suicidal thoughts
>slam head against desk until they go away
>continue drawing
Heh, can't get the best of me.

>>5183492
>There is always someone better
That cant just continue on forever. Someone has got to be at the top of that ladder. And I'm sorry but its gonna be me

>>5184102
I'm a worthless fuck, maybe I self-sabotage because I know I was a mistake in nature's great plan.

>>5184439

>>5182931
Comics mostly, but a lot more random illustrations lately
>>5182944
>>5182949
I was pretty fit at some point
Didn't change anything, in fact going to the gym just tired me out and made me produce less work.
My issue isn't confidence, I'm fine on that end. It's something else but I can't figure out what
>>5183346
That's such a general statement I don't know what it encompasses.

>>5184590
Do you have a profile somewhere?

>>5184444
Not only the top is a lonely place, its an extremely unstable position that can be lost in an instant at every second.

Your mentality isn't enough to go beyond being a bottom feeder however. I know your type very well and you will crash and burn hard the very first moment there is any hardship. You don't have to prove me right or wrong, its pretty much set in stone so the moment it inevitably happens you will remember this post.

>>5184547
Don't feel sad anon, I've been dealing with this since I was 8.

>>5184444
better at what? most of the technically excellent art of today is trash

>>5184693
You are entitled to an opinion even if it’s shit, anon.

>>5184630

The feeling is something you’ll never understand unless you were an ex-no lifer who did actions for hours on end with no reward other than making yourself laugh while those who considered themselves “lifers” called you things like “stupid kid, go get a life” or “do you have anything better to do than to ruin my game after I get off my 9 to 5”?

The power to be at the top for someone like me, to have that immense power, that is something I have yet to experience in my life. I must obtain it and when I do I nobody can fuck with me. I’d even make videos like that one youtuber who “corrects” other artists artwork but take that times 100 with no censor because I want them to be mad at me.

>>5184743
>and when I do I nobody can fuck with me
lmao bitch people will ALWAYS fuck with you. when you're "at the top" you will essentially have a huge target painted on your chest that will increase the fuckery coming at you by x1000 - and with your attitude, you will ALWAYS be mad about it.

>>5184760
>you will essentially have a huge target painted on your chest that will increase the fuckery coming at you by x1000
Good. That's what I want. Let them come.

>>5183000
I actually really like this style of painting. Literally just learn line art fucker

>>5184743
I know who you are. Your work is not nearly as creative or weird as you think it is and you should cut down your ego quite a lot. You talk like the rival character in a shonen anime.

>>5184900

You don't know me, anonymous.

>>5184766
You will literally always be a beta chud. Do not strive for success, I mean that in the kindest possible way. You are a loser and will always be a loser, because of your mindset. You can’t change what you truly believe any more than someone who believes in god can pretend they dont. Until you change you will always be a beta chud

>>5184900
>You talk like the rival character in a shonen anime.
that’s clearly where they learned it lmao super wack

>>5184911

I will make you and every d/ic/k I came across grovel at my boots, 6 feet apart because I don’t want your various NGMI-19 diseases infecting my true potential. Now if excuse me that’s enough vent thread for the morning. I got some drawing to attend to.

>draw for 3 hours every day for a month
>steady progression, can see improvement already
>suddenly everything i draw looks shitty
fucking WHY bros
it happened right when i started doing construction. i just need to grind more but fuck me it's disheartening to go from "hey this looks pretty good" to "what the fuck am i doing"

My friend's jealousy issues are beginning to have a huge impact on my mental health. I'm not super popular (I get an average of 200-700 likes on twitter) but my friend is still seething every time they sees this. And now, every time I post something new and the numbers start rising, I know I'll have to deal with this friend's insecurities and all I feel is dread. I'm talking weekly suicidal breakdowns I have to console them through. I have depression myself, so I know how hard it is, but this is ruining my drive to upload art.
I have three finished pieces of semi-popular characters and I can't bring myself to post any of it because I dread how they'll react

>>5184938
It's highly unlikely you have actually regressed - it's more like due to advancing to a new level, you have begun noticing flaws in your drawings you didn't even think to look for before. This actually happens all the time, so get used to it and just carry on, your skills will catch up soon enough.

>>5185018
I'm sorry to hear that Anon.

>do studies from observation for several hours a day since the start of the new year
>feel like im progressing a lot
>try today to do some drawing from imagination
>zero improvement
They really are two separate skill sets. Fuck.

>>5185018
He's not your friend retard, also fuck you for getting 200-700 likes, hope u fail

I’m hungry

>>5185302
I draw very niche stuff and cab only grow my following by drawing gay porn, don't envy me, anon

I AM A WORKING ARTIST AND I AM POOR AS FUCK AND I AM HURTING THE PEOPLE AROUND ME BY BEING POOR AND I HATE MYSELF AND I NEED TO CHANGE BUT ITS ALL SO OVERWHELMING I DON'T KNOW HOW TO START I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO OR WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME

>like a funny tweet
>check their profile
>proud black trans woman
>unlike their tweet

>>5177373
based retard

>>5185375
open only fans and start playing with your ass

>>5184590
>That's such a general statement I don't know what it encompasses.

I’m not saying it’s all your fault that you have no friends, but if what you’re saying is true, don’t you think maybe you’re doing something to give people odd vibes and that’s why they don’t really want to hang out with you? Maybe you come on too strong or something.

>>5183493
Youre not wrong in theory but you sound like an absolute faggot in the process.
>I dont like this because it reminds me of myself
Cool I guess yeah. That artist you were talking about was a total pussy but you sound like a literal cunt by making it about you. At least if you were talking shit about the perspective or the overall technique I would agree with you more.

>>5185334
I draw very niche stuff as well and I only get around 20. Problem is I'm bad