/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Sauce?

>>5167779
Anime is jist an art style. Using right to left as a westerner is just weeb bullshit

>>5167779
>BD
What the fuck is that stupid acronym? I guess you're an Amerilard who just has got to drop letter combinations in the hope that someone is either impressed or even better, like me, fails so bad that they don't know what it means. Yep - I said it! I'm worse than you!

>>5167780
Dungeon Meshi, it's one of the best cooking Manga around. Highly recommend it!

>>5167779
yes, citing this example made by a Japanese migrant living in France or Italy remembered he wanted to make a manga at some point of his life and got his story published. Manga style reminiscent of the popular manga style of 1970s but the dialog balloons and panel arrangement are definitely Western Right to Left style.

>>5167779
You don't have to write right-to-left, that's just a Japanese thing because of how their culture has developed. It's purely based on how their eyes naturally travel through the page.
In the west, we're accustomed to left-to-right, it's really not an important factor.

I have no idea what BD means, Google tells me it's something to do with Belgium but please elaborate OP.

You'll have to forget about the whole selling part for now.. if you're hoping to replicate the success of manga artists but in the western world.. the industry needs time to develop. If manga continues to grow in popularity in the west, we might see an industry appear but it's not going to happen for several decades atleast.

Good on you for hating capeshit, it's decrepit. There's nothing actually wrong with superheroes.. but everything surrounding capeshit is arguably shit. The writing, the format, the meta of how a capeshit series should go, it ought to be dumped completely

>>5167779
>Can I..
Yes.
>adopting a right-to-left format when you're not in japan feels fucking stupid
Some French 'manga' starting doing that because it's what their intended audience is used to.

If you want to make comics with influence from manga, it is important to recognize what is worth keeping and what is worth ignoring

For example, it would be a sttrange idea to make a western comic with character names like Mazuki Ishita or something, that's a Japanese name.
The same applies for things like, showing Japanese envrionments like Shrines, their schools, their urban streets... it's not that is bad.. but just it won't be a comic, instead will just be a manga made by a westerner

Instead you should see what's better about manga vs western comics from a more fundametal point of view, devoid of all the surface details

Hirohiko Araki describes the difference in western comics and manga something like..
>in western comics, panels are laid out with the focus on composition and showing characters actions
>in manga, panels are laid out with the focus on characters internal thoughts and emotions

>>5167779
You can do whatever the fuck you want. If you have to ask you're probably ngmi tho.

Another thing is that.. the problem with capeshit isn't that superheroes are bad, but that the writers, artists, producers, etc behind it are absolutely terrified for trying anything new for fear that it won't sell.

Capeshit has remained virtually unchanged since its inception. Shows like One Punch Man and My Hero Acadamia are superhero but they are not capeshit

Manga industry does not work like this, they see the value in new and interesting ideas. There are no rules in how you can write your story (beyond the obvious real world publishing laws)

I believe that the art styles seen in manga are objectively better than art styles seen in western comics, and for that reason I support you wanting to draw in a manga style.

But you have to recognize the difference in approach, the manga artists are not tryign to draw pretty pictures, they are trying to tell a story/convey emotion/etc.

If you don't have that focus, it will still look like garbage capeshit

I don't expect you to agree with all I have said here but I hope I have given you some food for thought

I think a western made comic with the proper influence from manga will indeed sell to normies.. because if they like manga, they will like manga no matter where it's made, so long as it retains that which makes manga good.

But the problem is the physical selling part
Western publishers are so far up their own asses, you could offer them the works of every top manga that has ever been created and they will not publish a single one of them.
You have to seek out lesser known publishers who are not so stuffy.... but normies have never heard of these publishers.
You could try web comics but again.. normies have not heard of these.

If you can't get your story out there, it doesn't matter how good it is, nobody will have read it and it won't make any money

There is a lot of dedication in the niche audience of people seeking out interesting new comics in the west.. but these people are few in numbers

You need to attract the attention of children in schools, that is where manga thrives, that is where comics used to thrive.
If you have hundreds of thousands of kids obsessing over a new fad whether it's beyblades, pokemon, a new videogame, a cartoon, a movie series, or a manga.. it will spread like wildfire and be immensely successful.

If you find a way to get children interested in reading comics... and somehow buy those comics, compete with the entertainment value of countless movies, tv shows, videogames.. you will have a comics industry rivalling that of Japan's manga industry

>>5167863
*specifically teenagers aged 13-18
Those are the people supporting all the biggest manga, all the biggest videogames, cartoons, movies, etc

The webcomic devilscandy is definitely Manga style for English speaking audience uploaded in their own website. The artist was also a winner for the old Tokyopop Original English Language manga in the early 2000s.

OP go for your dream

So why not just make it a webcomic so you can make patreonbucks?

Do euros actually call comics BDs?
I grew up on Goscinny/Uderzo, Pratt etc, never read american comics until my 20s and I have no idea what a “BD format” is supposed to be. It’s only recently that I started noticing people using “BD” as if it’s something other than a comic. Like what is the difference between a BD format and a comic?

>>5167868
but what if you don't have asian genes like the Devil's Candy author?

>>5168001
BD is eurocomic.
I’m French and we call comics BD in general. American comics “comics” and anything Japanese “mangas”.
Now, there are tons of French “BD” using “anime/manga” style of drawing, we still call them BD as long as it’s not too similar to Japanese mangas (especially the format).

>>5167787
Bande dessinée, (strip comics). As usual the french get to name everything.

>>5167830
/thread
problem solving is the only skill you need in life, and it doesn't look like you have it, OP

>>5168142
Yes, but that’s because it’s what you call comics, you don’t see brits or romanians saying “bd”, they just use their own words for “comic”, that’s my point, there’s no “bd format” in contrast to a “comic”

>>5167835
>Capeshit
Also, Americans have no real life experience so they're only mimicking what they've seen in movies, games and comics. Shit gets stale after the fourth or fifth generation

>>5168006
You steal them

>>5167811
there is also this cute cake who is working a lot with french publishers

>>5168433
Based.

>>5168917
I’m so lonely and horny!

>>5168142
Ok whats the difference between american comic /Japanese manga and these BD things? Just calling it strip comic doesn't tell me shit

>>5167779
Tony Valente did something like that, go for it.

>>5168006
He's not asian, btw.

>>5168929
American = capeshit made by 4/5 peoples or more

Euro = more diversity (no capeshit) made by 3 peoples or less (lots of time by 1)

Japan = unlimited deversity made by 1 or 2 peoples (rarely 3)

>>5168929
Bigger size than a floppy and the colors usually don't look like shit.

>>5168935
yeah, calling bs on that.
No white person can draw manga like this.

>>5168982
>made by 1 or 2 peoples (rarely 3)
lmao manga has the biggest teams of the three

>>5168988
Most of my memories of euro comics include colors really looking like shit

>>5169226
Yeah the old ones. Not the new ones.
>>5168929
Comics in France are basically American comics published in magazines on a weekly/monthly basis, kinda like the Japanese counterpart. It’s mostly capeshit but not always, it includes comics like the Waking Dead.

Manga is usually anything Japanese, no matter what the format is, but sometimes it also includes French or other Western weebs. In that case, for a French work to be considered as a manga, the general rule is that it has to be black and white, in a typical tankobon fashion. Kinda like some imitation.

Then there is manhua for chinks, manhwa for gooks, but again, with weird guidelines, like it has to be translated from these languages and they have to come from these countries, so apparently a Chinese making a comic in France doesn’t count as a manhua weirdly enough.

And finally, “BD”, is our generic “comic” term so it’s everything else.

as a noneuro, i really have no way of publishing other than webcomics, right?

>>5169312
nigger, one of the biggest names in euro comics is south american
the only people who even pretend “BDs” are in any way anything but normal comics are retarded mutts and frog niggers desperately trying to pretend they still have an industry worth shit when the thing is kept alive by 2 fossils and a bunch of foreigners

>>5169312
i've bought a few euro comics from amazon. most of em are self publishing indie artists i think

>>5169226
I occasionally do cleanup for iznogood and other ancient euro rereleases and I'm pleasantly surprised that they still enjoy colors like this. It might seem excessive by american standards, but I prefer it over the shit they usually do to classics like the killing joke.

>>5167811
Aesthetic.

>>5169334
Speaking of americans in BDs, I'm surprised at how big Beetle bailey was over there. They even released a special when he died. Meanwhile you ask your random american and most have never heard of him.

>>5169221
>he doesn't know...

>>5167779
Op here, thanks everyone for the support and for encouragement. but now there is also the actual drawing and design/appeal skill other than the format and style question itself. I am still a /beg/ but I am looking to improve, recently the cable of my tablet died and waiting for the new one I've decided to draw more on a A4 sketchbook. This is something I did using a whole A4, but sadly I have the bad habit on drawing on very small scales and it shows.

>>5170059
Another one, used watercolors in a limited way to not fuck up the overall piece due to my skills

>>5170060
Drawing on very small scales is actually not recommended indeed, did this on slighty more than 1/4 of the paper and it ended up pretty weak. I know I should study perspective more, but showing bad art alongside the best pieces is the best way to not stagnate and get criticism

>>5170063
Here's how my digital works look like, thinking about getting rid of the black shading entirely since it kinda makes my art flatter. I honestly prefer digital to traditional for comfort reasons but drawing traditional for a while made me think more about evolving my art style

>>5170065
The first concept of the mecha tank on the right in the first pic

>>5170059
Here's also a more refined design of the RR-2, drawing mecha is harder than drawing humans and I made this one too long that intended, but shapes are slighty getting more right

>>5170067
My attempt at a more standard rendering style, used custom brushes I've downloaded from the CSP store.

>>5170070
Unfinished character sheets, I don't know how to make a better silhouette without making the character more over the top than intended

>>5170073
And this is from one month ago, I cringe pretty hard looking at this and it's pretty much the reason why I started drawing everyday, but my poses and shapes are not good enough for my standards yet.

So, do I have at least the necessary skill to start with a small webcomic? I should need to practice perspective and environment more

>>5170077
Are you the guy who wants to make a vidya game?

>>5170077
For a webcomic, it’s more than enough.
To get published in Europe, maybe not. Despite the shit pay and everything, the bar is quite high for yurocomics.

Pic related is the stupid shit you seen on webtoons’ front page. The bar is set extremely low.

>>5170130
Yes but what if I want to have better quality, fundies and subject matters than that thing? Practicing is important

>>5170112
Yes, but now I am learning how to use RPG and Game maker to make a smaller project where I could implement what I want in my future rpg that will be on a much larger scale. I'll take that as practice

>>5170141
Then keep drawing, study on the side, in your “free time”. I made a 200+ pages comic, I haven’t published it anywhere. It took me exactly one year, and if you compare the first page with the last one, it has changed quite a lot.

>>5170141
Enter the yuro comics industry from a different angle. I do flats, cleanups, coloring and whatever scraps I get. Its beneath my skill, but it doesn't require an education and its enough to earn a living (not quite the big bucks, but it brings in better dough than minimum wage). Thus far, I've made some connections and I've learned about the business end of the industry which would hopefully give me an advantage when it becomes my turn to get my comics on stalls.

>>5167779
dorohedoro

>>5167779
BD is better than most manga

>>5169334
>south american
Panini? As a huehueg i can't think of anything else, do they even make stuff that isn't monica/mauricio related anymore?

>>5170901
I was thinking of Gimenez.
He got just a flu’d btw, he ded

>>5170910
I thought you were talking about publishers and not people, my bad