/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5162720
I thought the mods warned you multiple times about posting duplicate threads before the old one hits page 10

Do wacoms really register the lighter pressure levels better?

>>5162772
Compared to what

I thought this might be helpful to someone
https://www.reviewgeek.com/68796/attention-students-the-wacom-one-tablet-is-now-compatible-with-chromebooks/

>>5162772
short answer is yes, Wacom is an industrial tool manufacturer, they have tolerance standards in manufacturing and design, unlike other current tablet makers that don't use with industrial tolerance benchmarks.

>>5162786
Huions and XP-pens

>>5162798
have you tried both?

>>5162814
of course, even though I'm sure there are some people who've gotten units that work fine I haven't had the same experience. I've had issues where the tablets won't work so I return them (thank Amazon), issues where something will stop working because of a firmware update. Even when everthing seems work like it should, there is manufacturing tolerance and design. Nibs being a little loose or being a little longer than it should be are frustrating for an artist.

I'm in the market for a 27" IPS monitor, any recommendations are welcome.

>>5162835
I'll go for a wacom next then, my Huion is nice, but the lighter pressure levels really don't work that well. I can't get a smooth dark to light range just by controlling my pen pressure

>>5162845
Have you tried adjusting the pressure curve?

Will display lag from a monitor affect the performance of a non display tablet like it does with games?

>>5162843
benq ew3270u
if your have to have ips for undiscloseable reasons, get a dell ultrasharp. used or new

>>5162862
display lag is a non issue on all modern monitors. Dont look to the manufacturer for their ms, its a made up number. average latency is around 20ms and good enough for competitive gaming.

yes you can notice any delay thats not imperceptible...but 20or40ms wont matter as long as it doesnt go any higher.

no monitor has 1 or 5ms btw. made up number for changing a grey pixel to a grey pixel.

>>5162814
Huion, no, Xp-Pen, yes. People bitch about the activation pressure but it's just a setting you can mess with in the drivers.

I don't know what the fuck huion's problem is, but they keep making shitty styluses with wiggly nibs. I had a huion and it would make a click noise every time i pushed the nib in. Weird shit, do not recommend. XP has been solid though. The only thing I really miss from wacom is barrel rotation detection, but most people dont use that.

>>5162843
I have a BenQ EW2770QZ, 27" 2k. it's nice with a good response time, but the thin bezels give me some light bleed around the edges. Any thin bezel or bezel-less IPS display will inevitably have this problem, so that's something to understand about them. As long as you're not trying to draw on the edge of the monitor on a black canvas it's pretty good. I'm pretty sure my exact model is discontinued, but they should have some similar newer models around. Make sure it has good color gamut and 1000:1 contrast ratio.

If I could find a 2k or 4k ips display with thick bezels to reduce light bleed I would recommend that to you, but everyone is going for thin or no bezels lately.

draw on e-ink they said. Its gonna replace paper they said, the future is here they said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJVW1_itnk

>>5162926
lol IPS lol light bleeding. Get VA or commit to an OLED

>>5162911
new newest huion pen has no real wiggle and no real travel in it, its FAR better then the prior gen pen, of which I have both.

>>5162933
Thank god they fixed it then because it was trash. Which tablets have the new pen?

>>5162720
>Check out the webm to understand how bad they are

>>5162930
>VA
No thanks.
>OLED
Yeah I don't really want to pay more just to deal with a dimmer screen and the image burn in issues. I'll stick with my IPS and negligible light bleed until there is an actually good option to replace it.

>pic related
dtk-2200 [Cintiq 22HD] for 550 money.
yes/no
i buy tomorrow

On the topic of lag and latency. Which software wont lag a1k gaming compiter when using wet brushes¿

>>5162950
Hi thanks for the reblog. IPS forever and ever
>t. 2010 bribed tech blogger recommending monitors

>>5162941
As far as I know the new Kamvas 13, 16 (2021 models) and the Inspiroy Keydial KD200. Look out for "PenTech 3.0" on the feature list.

>>5162955
Do you even draw?

>>5162971
Do you even understand how a monitor is benchmarked? Have you ever used anything but TN or IPS?
You just repeat what you hear what someone repeated. Your shameless, zero thought, self centered attention seeking are why after 2010 the internet has become almost unuseable.

>>5162950
>some oleds can become as bright as the clouded sky in hdr colour space with imeasurable contrast ratios since black emits zero light bleed
its probably dim like a gameboy advanced. I just know it!!!

>>5162953
if this was a full price cintiq, yea, 550 isn't bad as long as there is no damage and it works.

If this is one of wacoms 'lets compete with china price' monitors, don't do it, those things are crap.

>>5162999
oleds are bright, lets put it this way, till VERY recently, about 300-400 cdm2 was normal, oleds are typically around 700-800 and are among the best for hdr due to true blacks makeing up for lack of brightness

other displays will hit 1000-2000cdm2 but ill be 100% honest, I have a 600cdm2 and fuck me is this thing almost blinding, right next to it I have a 300cdm2 monitor, and I honestly am not missing out any of the extra brightness.

sure if I was mastering video to a hdr standard, I would want brighter or higher hdr certified, but right now... I don't really care.

at least thats my 2 cents, personally I would go va or oled, as these are going to be most tv's and most phones display tech, where your shit is most likely going to be viewed,

>>5162953
It has some issues with parallax, the screen resolution is low for a big tablet these days, and the thing is fucking heavy and bulky, but if it's in great condition $550 is a steal.

>>5163033
Does your screen suffer from burn-in due to your drawing program being up on it for hours on end? I'm talking 8+ hours per day

>>5162985
Imagine getting this upset over someone having a different opinion or preference

>>5163046
I was talking just about brightness of the display, mine is a va and my dimmer one is ips.

as for burnin... they mitigate that to a good deal now, as long as you dont 100% the brightness. but im talking about this display more as an entertainment/looking at the result monitor, I use to have a good professional ips a number of years ago from a liquidation sale that I had off to the side (It was low res, but stupidly accurate) I would put my art on it to do any judgements on color.

If you want the monitor to be on for a long period of time with static images, I would go va, if you are going to use it for more background video/watching shit and putting art on it to check it, go oled,

I personally went 55 inch 4k tv for my va, the few downsides it has, specific to the way this monitor handles contrast and viewing angles, are more then made up for in other aspects, like 4x 1080 monitors of screen space to work with, or that the colors are so accurate on it I can discern a gradient shift of 2 places without a prompt (the difference between 128,128,128 and 130,128,128) not to mention I get to sit back and watch shit when I want to with a nice large display.

as for oleds I have... my phone would be the the one I use the most with the most static shit on it, and... kind of. its 4 years old and yes it has some burn in, but you only see it when you look for it, to put it in perspective, the buttons and side shit on the screen would likely burn in if its permanently there, but the art, where you draw, wouldn't. but you could mitigate that by going fullscreen with drawing and using a mid tone for the base of a piece of art.

>>5162953
> 1k
did you spend $800 on rgb fans? No one except you knows your specs, the canvas size you’re going to use, and number of layers. Go with an i7 and 16gb of ram.

>>5163115
>Go with an i7 and 16gb of ram.
No, 32. 16GB today is insufficient. Having Edge with approximately 20 tabs open, Firefox with 5, and some chat programs in the background my system is currently using 12GB. That leaves only 4GB for whatever drawing software before it starts using swap.

>>5163148
I often have over 200 tabs open in firefox 56 along with several other programs open and I rarely go over 70% RAM usage and I only have 8gb

>>5163148
Is your processor shit? Jesus dude. RAM cant solve all your problems.

>>5163298
>Is your processor shit?
I got a Ryzen 5 3600.

>>5163341
You have the equivalent of an i5 and it has bad single core processing power, this is why you lag.

what's you guise's experience drawing on a mobile phone?

>>5163377
I have a note 10, it honestly sucks to draw on just because the stylus is so thin and small, plus the screen is mega slippery. I'd probably like it more if I had a regular sized pressure sensitive stylus for it.

how is the huion h1060p? everything i've read about it makes it seem like a really good deal especially since it's $67 cad with an amazon coupon at the moment.
are there any other tablets around it's price range that are better? i know a little bit about the huion options but not much about others like xp-pen

>>5163377
Waste of time might as well just draw on paper

>>5163417
Xp-pen is much better. Huion hs611 is alright, it isnt without its issues but its a pretty solid tablet.

>>5163445
What are the issues with the hs611? I see the deco pro gets recommended but I also saw someone say they dropped it because of the surface texture.

>>5163445
the hs611 is better than the h1060p? i guess that makes sense considering it's twice as expensive. also how is xp-pen better? do you have a specific model in mind that would be competitive in this price range?

>>5163485
The hs611 is 56 usd on aliexpress right now. Looks like it has been that low on amazon too.

>>5163494
i mentioned the h1060p price in canadian dollars since i'm canadian and shipping from usd + conversion would make that a significant amount more

>>5163454
I've gotten 2 different defective ones before finally getting a 3rd one which worked the way its supposed to. Huion support was not helpful in the slightest, some stupid woman kept saying I must have broken my tablet before even opening the packaging. "We don't send broken tablets". Refused to help me so I used amazon returns for this bullshit.

The 1st one, the stylus came out of the box brand new with a nib jammed into it so hard I couldnt get it out and it was always registering as drawing at full pressure even during hovering. Its like it was either glued in or hamfisted so hard it might as well have been glued.

The 2nd one, don't even know what the fuck was wrong with it, I plugged it in to 4 different computers and it never fucking worked. Would not power on or get detected by my computer, just 100% DOA.

3rd one works well enough, I guess. Pressure output could be smoother and the media touch buttons could stand to be less sensitive. Stylus should be heavier, it's light and I've heard it is easy to break if dropped, never ever drop it. 2 out of 3 is not a good ratio of duds to working tablets, QA is probably awful over there, so if you do buy it, dont do it from huion, they will not help you. The tilt works fine. Android works fine as well, though for some reason instead of mapping to the tablet in portrait mode, it restricts you to half of the tablet area, which is BS. I had some issue with the shortcut buttons, but I can't remember what it was, some weird command just did not want to be input in the exact order I wanted, and sometimes the simple ones wouldnt execute properly - this execution issue was only in Photoshop. I don't know if the driver problem I was having or the inability to turn off touch buttons was fixed or not, I ended up getting an xp tablet later and keep the hs611 as my backup should the xp get busted or die on me. Build quality of the tablet itself is actually pretty good, the pen is delicate and the drivers can be weird.

>>5163527
Apple iPad Pro 12.9 with AppleCare doesn't have this problem.

>>5163494
>>5163505
i just double checked and if there are no duties when shipping from china then it's pretty much the same price with conversion and even paypal's markup so nevermind my previous post
if xp-pen is better though, do you know what's best to get instead, especially if there are any nice deals like the one you pointed out?

>>5163053
Imagine abstract thinking, reasoning skills and extracting what isn't written from a 3 paragraph post. Or even fathom the grasp you could have if you were activly monitoring society or aspects of it evolve. Or is it just static in your mind?

>>5163454
Weird, they're probably just butterfingers. If the texture is too smooth just put a screen protector over it, though a textured protector will eat nibs faster, xp pen nib replacements are extremely cheap.

>>5163485
Hs611 is their newer model and they made some improvements, hence why its more expensive. It just came out last year I think.

>how is xp-pen better?
Drivers are solid, build quality in both stylus and tablet are good, I haven't gotten a single dud from them so QA seems to be better. Support was helpful the one time I had an issue with my screen tablet, and we got it working (windows 10 had just changed how tablet pc worked and refused to install my driver completely). They also don't blame customers for their fuck up. If you get android capable xp pen, it maps to the whole tablet in portrait mode rather than half tablet bullshit, which I appreicate. The pressure sensitivity is more smooth than huion, but not quite as buttery smooth as wacom.

>do you have a specific model in mind
Look at Star or Deco/Deco Pro line. Deco 01v2 is good, idk if thats in your range or not though. Some of the xp are wireless capable if you're into that.

>>5163532
I have an ipad but I only use it to sketch.

>>5163538
I only know what gets shilled, which is the deco 01 v2 and the deco pro. But no deals on those right now. And the deco pro is more like 80/100 usd even on sale for the small/medium.
The h1060p does look solid in terms of drawing performance, so maybe buying that locally wouldn't be so bad?
Would suck to deal with something like >>5163527 while buying from China.

Are there any drawing programms as performant as Pencil2D or just something very performant with a full scope of nessecary features and brushes?
I just want no latency, my pc isnt the issue when I can play 3 games simulataniously

>>5163364
>>5163115
Look. A drawing programm should run on a used 10$ graphics card (f.e. gtx 460) in conjunction with any cpu that isnt made to be slow on purpose, like a 10 year old Core i5-2500K which has about 2/3 the single core performance of todays best model the 10600k.


>>5163070
Praise be with you, maybe the catboys swarm you in bed and cuddle you into blissfull dreams while your knowledge massages the eyes of the willing

>>5163575
Consider a Wacom Bambo used for 5$ , the market is saturated with them, and upgrade directly to a screen tablet when you feel like this is getting you in the right direction

>can't even escape the VA-shills on /ic/
At least it's not like on /g/ where their primary shtick is talking about burn-in..
I hope people here aren't retarded enough to fall for it.

>>5163589
You must be OP.

>>5163564
thank you so much

>Look at Star or Deco/Deco Pro line. Deco 01v2 is good
are there any i should specifically avoid? it seems like they have a lot of different star models and v1 versions of some tablets which i assume are older versions and i should avoid those

>>5163575
thanks for the recommendations as well. it would definitely suck having to deal with that through china and i also feel less comfortable with aliexpress vs amazon for that kind of stuff even if aliexpress is 90 days vs amazon's 30 to return
i didn't know huion's qa and customer support was this bad so i'll wait and look out for any deals on the xp pen products that i can afford. originally i only got interested in that huion because someone near me was selling a used one for 40$ and i found that even new they were really cheap and all the reviews and stuff i could find said that it was relatively really good

>>5163589
You must be OP.
Retarded isn't the right word when you are activly looking to learn something and someone just make a word salad convolution information between OLEDs and VA and mentioning a consumer hardware hellhole or making the presumption that something big and organised is going on to make seeking information not viable, forcing them to rely on information already gathered when channels were still save.
OP is a faggot

>>5163591
Because I don't desperately shill a specific brand/technology? Oh wait... Actually I think (You) might be OP.

>>5163593
Avoid any that are so old they have a rechargable stylus. You want batteryless. And don't get any OSU! or post it note size ones they will murder your hand. I have one of the small ones specifically for OSU, I tried drawing on it for shits and giggles and it was just pain.

>>5163586
Wacom bamboo is trash but I'd say it's worth the $5.

>>5163598
Should be recommended more often.

Etrash is enlightment my friend
Speakers, old Monitors, Mechanical keyboards, Bikes, Cars, Midi Controller, Amplifiers, Friends,cameras and especially androshit devices

>>5163596
yeah of course, i already have a wacom intuos small so i'm not exactly in a rush since this is more than usable already.
i just really want to get the best upgrade i can since the market has gotten so much better and a medium sized tablet because having to zoom in more seems detrimental to my learning

>>5163591
>>5163594
>deleting your own posts
>shilling garbage consumer tech
>rambling like a madman
Can't make this shit up. If VA was actually usable everyone would be using it. Why wouldn't you take 3x the contrast for the same price? VA monitors aren't a new thing, but it's only in the past few years that they've been shilled to consumers because they managed to turn up the refresh rate so they can appeal to gaymurrs. Literally no one cared before that, even though benq has had VA monitors out for a long time.
On a sidenote, Sony already gave up pushing OLED to the industry for, wait for it, dual layer IPS.

12" screen is ok to draw? Wrist user here

>>5163622
You mean if it will be too big 4u?

>>5163625
The opposite

>>5163611
>Sony already gave up pushing OLED to the industry for, wait for it, dual layer IPS.
Kek. It's basically the quality of OLED without the screen burn. Way to get BTFO about the future of OLED. Chad IPS is forever.

>>5163628
Well, for what it's worth it's the same size or slightly larger than most screen-less tablets that get recommended.
Lots of people are happy with the ipad pro and samsung tablets.

>>5163622
It should be fine on your wrist. My issue with screens under 15" is that there's a lot of room taken up by the UI of your art program. Unless you're going to use something like autodesk sketchbook, it's going to be kind of a pain in the ass dealing with limited drawing space. Won't kill your wrist though.

Wrist killing size is 4"x3" to, idk, a few inches below 9"x11" tablets. In the reasonable range of a piece of 8.5"x11" is the smallest you should go. Or just learn to do carpal tunnel prevention stretches every 40 minutes.

Hey hey people, Corel Painter 2020 is $30 on humble bundle (usually $400+)

>>5163640
Nice

>>5163640
is corel the best there is when it comes to painting?

>>5163645
I bought and tried it, it's really good but it being the best is up to your preference

>>5163645
It's the best at emulating traditional painting for sure. For digital painting in general? Depends on what you're doing and the kinds of tools you like to have.

I can't seem to get a comfortable stabilizer setting with Krita. Dynamic brush isn't working out. Using an old intuos here. Feel like I'm always fighting the tool. Could anyone here share their settings for weighted and stabilizer modes?

I want to try what other people have for their settings, things might work out, who knows?

>>5163716
Have you tried Realistic Paint Studio yet?

>>5163773
I just use basic

>>5163782
No but it looks interesting, gonna check that one out. Thanks!

>>5163364
I don't lag, my system runs smooth asf.

>>5163611
VA starts at 350$ new and are generally 32"
IPS starts at 70$ new and are generally normalfag size

>>5163622
It is okay if you are going for portable over all else.
But. A bigger, proper screen will instantly make drawing more intuitive and cleaner. If you can draw with your whole repertour of movements and your characters dont have to be built part by part because resolution is an issue or whatever then again, your drawings will just be more fun and of higher quality on the first stroke.
>t. used 22cintiq HD ethusiast
We are talking about Display Tablets? If you go screenless then there is a middlepoint. thats somewhere in your range.

>>5164262
>VA
>Good contrast
>Bad color accuracy
Thats gonna be a no from me
IPS is cheap and better

Where is the ipad pro 5th gen announcement

>>5164407
That webm hurts me on a deep level.

>Where is the ipad pro 5th gen announcement
They're waiting for Steve Jobs to make it first, then they will announce it

>>5164466
Steve jobs died of ligma

>>5164359
>citation needed

>>5164554
Will you ever learn?

>>5164472
What's Steve?

>>5164359
Hello friend again. The VA I recommended (EW 3270u) Has a calibrated Delta E of 0.5 and covers 94.5% of the wide gamut DCI-P3 colour space. Thanks to Contrast, 10bit and High Brightness it qualifys as a HDR Monitor.
There are no IPS HDR Monitors.

>>5164570
Link me a professional VA panel, and I will upgrade right now, no matter the cost.
Here is one of the best HDR monitors on the market. It is IPS:
https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/broadcastpromonitors/bvm-hx310

>>5164580
>pic related on amazon
>Dont use the HDR Button, it is HDR without pushing any gimmick button
>Follow guides on calibration, use the software DisplayCal
>Only use with displayport cable

b-b-but i heard 5 years ago that IPS is the only solution if you need colour accuracy. I need colour accuracy!! Im an artist help
Happy help friend ching chong IPS FOREVER DOUBLE IPS MORE LAYERS
I want blacks to be grey I want white to be greyish I want purplish fog to be grey I can crank up saturation in post no issue IPS FOREVER IPS FOREVER

Also dont forget to activate 10 bit color depth in AMD or NVIDIA Panel

And if Budget really is no issue go straight for OLED. Only use it with moving content, never have static sidebars or anything on it for its entire lifetime. If you do that you can enjoy it for a long time
1500$
OLED has burn in issues, but only if you use it for browsing on high brightness like an absolute moron

>>5164580
Hi, that IPS Moitor uses active backlight zoning. Aka turning off parts off the backlight. It looks really shit and is a poor solution, especially for things like pictures of the galaxy.. Its shit lol

>>5163773
I used krita for about a bit and it always felt weird or inconsistent, i ended just going back to paint.net until i caught csp on sale.

>>5164588
>>5164595
>>5164604
>>5164610
I asked for a pro display, not some garbage that is no better than a mid-range TV (also garbage). Sony already had a proper RGB OLED, but they dropped it for their new dual layer IPS, but you still want me to use a WRGB OLED as a monitor? Fucking why? I already said money was not an issue, yet you can't give me a nice VA option?
>It looks really shit and is a poor solution
No it doesn't and no it isn't, you absolute mongoloid. The backlight is essentially controlled by a 1080p display.

I demand better customer service! You little insignificant internet prompt! My elaborate sheme worked again I am clever. That will show them to respect IPS GREY IPS GREY BLACK WHITE ALL THE SAME forever ever IPS FOREVER ONLY IPS forever THE EMPEROR disrespected if you upgrade technology to VA or OLED emperor heresy IPS FOREVER OR HERESY
>pic related

Is Krita really my only option if I want wet paint?
It has terrible performance and I dont want to deal with lag ever again even if that means sacrifising brushes and techniques

>>5164615
Hello, EW3270u is the top end for monitors in the current time. If you want a better monitor you unironically have to spend 1500$ on an OLED or decide to spend insane amounts for 144hz and or curve / ultra slim
Thanks friend please leave another review

>actual 1000000:1 contrast IPS without retarded gimmicks and 1000 nits full field HDR
>nooo, it's so grey, I would rather live with my shitty viewing angles, no real HDR, schizophrenia, and 3000:1 contrast

>>5164640
What does actual 1000000:1 contrast mean and why is it relevant to drawing?

>>5164650
It just means that it isn't a total marketing scam like it usually is. That monitor (bvm-hx310) essentially has 2 million dimming zones (for 8 million pixels).
It doesn't mean much for drawing. Things will just look a bit nicer. What you don't want is a VA-panel because they have all sorts of issues with color/gamma/whatever shift.
Anyone without schizophrenia should be able to recognize that the fact that not a single VA-monitor is marketed for graphics/color work is probably a sign that they're not good for that.

>>5162928
is actually the future but now is in a very embryonic phase, i saw some chinese guys i think making a e-ink screen with actual colors but they can only reproduce a very few amount of colors, some screens can even reproduce videos with very low quality.
Since the artists market is very niche compared to the general tablet market, that technology is likely to take a long time to evolve.
The example of that tablet is good, but the brush lacks a lot of features that we now have in the cheaper models of some companies, in addition to the software.
I gave it about 10 years so that there is at least one model that really is an alternative in relation to its price.
The ReMarkable is incredibly expensive for what you can get for the same price with other brands, in terms of drawing. For that price you could just buy an Wacom One, or any regular size Kamvas Pro.

>>5164615
>I already said money was not an issue, yet you can't give me a nice VA option?
Yeah because there arent any. All the money in the world couldn't get you a good VA display. It doesnt exist. Maybe if money is not a problem and you are so obsessed, you should start a business and develop your own VA display

>>5164960
No fucking shit, Sherlock.

How do ya'll feel about the Macbook Pro + an intuous for drawing?

Previously used the Surface Pro, but just had my second one die within the same year, so I'm hoping to just get store credit and swap for something that doesn't like to die.

>>5163576
If you are being serious, I will state this, above EVERYTHING else, and this is assuming you have a standard 250-400cdm2 and its an 8 bit display, contrast is king. for humans, we notice contrast first and foremost in a display, brightness is one part of contrast, a really bright spot will make dark look even darker, its why even with 1:1000 or 1:3000 displays look as good or better than oled in a store, its only when they bring up something like a star field do you really see how good an oled contrast is.

most of us will use a tablet in a room with some light bulbs in it, maybe some natural sun, and the monitor just needs to be good enough to overpower that, its not like we are on phones outside where a bright sun will kill our ability to see the screen.

>>5163611
im going to be very VERY blund about this.

display manufactures give pc users abject fucking garbage compared to what they put in tv's, let me elaborate a bit.

the computer market is largely laptops or prebuilds that have shit displays but are good enough for a spreadsheet

the pro market has pro monitors that are highly calibratable these never go under 1500-2000$ unless they are obsolete or liquidated.

so now we have the gamer market, which just sees fps and thats it.

so we pay out the ass or we settle for shit.
meanwhile tv's are more or less all 10 bit (or 8bit+frc) now passed a 600$ price point, are hdr capable due to brightness, have full array backlighting, and if you are in the 1000~ range, are 120hz displays, pc monitors are more or less a race to the bottom, while tv's still offer margins. if you want a good display, you get something pro+calibratable, or you get a tv with low input lag.

the problem with monitor va panels is, especially the old ones, they had fuckloads of smearing, new ones not only give you upwards 1:7000 contrast (norm being 1:3000) they give you better contrast then your ta or ips counterparts, but they also offer color as good as ips, or at least ips you would get in a non pro monitor, while completely mitigating issues you have with tn, on top of not having the same issue that ips has with shit you just deal with.

>>5164792
Whats a VA-panel and why would I need a panel?

>>5165459
Sounds fine. Not sure if you plan to do any 3d, since you said macbook i’ll assume not. If that’s the case you might be able to save a little more money with a macbook air and put it towards a display adapter and a decent sized monitor.

>>5165459
Wacom Companions are on the used market for under 300$
If you desire a Laptop I'd strongly suggest the gigabyte aero 15. I spent weeks researching the laptop market and if you can get this for 1400$ youll have something that really is worth its high price tag. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigabyte-Aero-15-XB-laptop-review-Taking-the-lead-with-OLED.464829.0.html

Warning triggerwords include
>OP
>OLED

>>5165459
Warning triggerwords include
>OP
>OLED

Wacom Cintiq Companions are on the used market for under 300$. You MIGHT need to change their battery, if you know how scredrivers and screws function youll be able to do it without damage.
If you desire a Laptop with a seperate no-screen tablet I'd strongly suggest the gigabyte aero 15 after weeks researching the laptop market. If you can get this for 1400$ youll have something that really is worth its high price tag. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigabyte-Aero-15-XB-laptop-review-Taking-the-lead-with-OLED.464829.0.html

Europes Laptop market is a bit different and more expensive

The alternative would be a https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Omen-15-Gaming-laptop-with-good-battery-life.494680.0.html
HP Omen 15" laptop. Use the Laptop Configurator on HPs website to make yourself a good deal. Ask if you dont understand exactly what you need and dont need.

is there any significant difference between artist 15.6 pro and artist 15.6?
Is the artist 22 pro good?

>>5163622
>Wrist user here
New word for incel coined

>>5163782
Cheers for the suggestion! Now this is the kind of gem that makes trudging through the shitbarrel of /ic/ worth it.

>>5164614
I've used Photoshop for 25 years, switched to CSP three years ago. I love the impasto capability in Krita, so twice a month I take Krita out, SINCERELY AND FULL OF HOPE AND LOVE attempt to create even one brush that performs the way I like, and then after about an hour I quietly close Krita again and go make something beautiful in CSP.

There is a reason why 99.95% of pros don't use Krita, and most of the remaining 0.05% do so purely as a social gimmick.

For me, the reason is that the fucking flow control is linked to the colour mix amount in the smudge brush engine. Way to go gimping and hamstringing the entire thing.

Look at the thick oil paint brush in CSP. Will never happen in Krita as long as it's developed by non-artists.

>>5164625
>Is Krita really my only option if I want wet paint?
I do wet paint in CSP and never managed to make a satisfying brush in Krita as I complained above.

>>5164640
>1000000:1
Not even physically possible on a screen.

>>5164908
I'd kind of be happy with a monochrome paperlike sketch screen for lineart if it didn't cost more than a few hundred. Then transfer the image to a colour screen for colouring.

And if they can fit in a handful of colours on a paper screen, then I could have blue sketch layers when drawing clean lineart. I'd like that.

>If Krita lags or photoshop destroys your soul
>Software recommendation

>>5165746
>Color EInk displays.
possible with current state of tech. Would just require tight tolerances. It would rely on different pigment sizes I imagine.
In the meantime check out prices for used remarkables in your country (200-250$) or if its just for disposable sketching like a chalkboard buy a few of these https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4000409686436.html
>>5165743
NooooooOOOO IPS FOREVER IPS FOREER EVER GREY GRE nooooooo

>>5165743
Oled has infinite contrast since 0 0 0 emits no light. But IPS can have 1million:1 contrast, backlight just has to be a fusion core

>>5165494
lol
I was mostly with you until the last paragraph where you went full retard. VA is not just a superior IPS-panel. How can anyone be this retarded?
HDR on a "regular" LCD panel is a complete fucking joke as well. Think about it for two seconds. Even huge and ridiculously expensive TVs have less than 500 dimming zones. It will improve this year, but not to a level where you will get something usable in a small monitor.
>>5165743
How is it not physically possible? You may not be able to perceive such a difference, but it's there.
>>5165771
>>5165774
Nice schizoid posts bro. This magic monitor already exists though. There's even a hisense tv with the same technology, although I'm not sure if that's IPS or VA.

>>5162720
so what's the best drawing app for android?

>>5165800
with hdr, you arent getting great hdr, but even entry level you are getting a 10 bit video, which
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74SZXCQb44s what it does is easily visible difference, especially in the reds, brightness helps and many local dimming areas help too, but the base benefits of it are visible.

as for being a superior ips... no, va is worse then good ips, but are you paying the few thousand for good ips? va is better then tn in color, and as good as consumer levels of ips, even the more expensive consumer levels, and it give you higher contrast ratios. then you have the manufacture issues that come with ips being nearly gone/completely mitigated by va, is there some glow... yes, but a 1:3000 contrast ratio makes it almost not visible even in scenes where it should be in your face. light bleed from side light? most va has full array, even cheaper shit, now if it has local dimming or not is another thing altogether.

I also don't suggest people use small monitors, get a 48-55 inch monitor and treat it like its 4 1080p screens with no bezel.
you get shit monitors all around because you are not a market segment any company really wants to deal with, you get jacked up prices compared to just a plain tv because fps (which lets be real, is a blurry mess because it takes upwards 100ms for a pixel on even good displays to fully shift over outside of oled) is all gamers care about, they market crap to them, the best fps displays are tn and oled, but oled burns in and tn unless calibrated is crap but who the fuck is going to calibrate a tn?

>>5165771
Ill add, if you get one of those lcd drawing things, get a 2mm lead holder and sand a good toothpick down so it works with it, feels great to use with a normal writing utensils.

>>5165709
>>5165709
>>5165709
>>5165709

>>5165923
You still don't get it though, and I doubt you ever will. VA just isn't worth the trade-offs, especially for artists. You don't need to pay thousands for an IPS monitor, what is this nonsense? Yes, a pro monitor will offer you better calibration options, but a reasonably priced IPS monitor will still give you consistent colors and gamma, unlike any VA panel.
I will repeat myself: a VA panel can measure nicely, but so can TN panels. There's a TN monitor that does 95% of DCI P3. Would it suck ass for color work? Absolutely. Just like VA.

>>5165590
Cintiq companion is dogshit why would you ever recommend it

>>5165959
have both decent ips and va, side by side. my va, as a method to make darks darker handles pixels in a weird way so manga gradients/stippling can look green or magenta, I also have a va I dont use as a monitor that doesn't do this at all.

the two side by side, its night and day, I prefer the va to the ips. I also have access to a decent ips, though its not mine, and it suffers from much of the same shit I fucked off from tn for.

now, you said color work, if I was doing work professionally and color was important, it doesn't matter what I have, i'm not using the consumer shit regardless of display type. i'm sure as fuck not using a tn due to even good ones having an issue with yellowing, va on the other hand doesn't have this issue, and now we are down to what to choose, a consumer grade ips with its qc issues and shit you just have to deal with, or a va where in an art context, any legitimate issue is a non issue.

and that's when it comes down to contrast, where va kicks the shit out of ips.

>>5165980
probably because for 300$ and if you use the right program, its the best you are going to be able to get.

>>5165981
Right, so if you ignore the problems with VA and pretend that IPS has glaring issues that everyone who has done any professional work in the past 10 years have somehow managed to overcome anyway, then VA is totally the superior option.
Now remind me again why VA panels aren't used professionally for color work (this includes any kind of photography, art, graphics, movies, tv, etc.)?

>>5162720
>for Android
Shows an iPad in the picture.

>>5165771
Thank you for the great advice!

>>5165995
Why has VA a better contrast color and all that again. Sorry you ramble so much I forget

>>5165980
Suggest a Tablet for 200$ optimally or 300$ if it is at least on par with the cintiq companion. This is not a challenge to your authority, but I dont know of any since the laptop and tablet market has been fucked for years now.

On that note, I will gladly look at used hardware

>>5166150
Try again in English. No one understands your schizophrenic ramblings.

>>5162720
i was thinking of upgrading from my intous pro m to a wacom cintiq 16? any opinions on the cintiq 16's specs? or what would be better for a hobbyist in need of a pen-display tablet?

>>5166161
Does that work for you?

bought a paperlike for my iPad and now I'm feeling retarded since everyone using it seems to be a shill

pressure sensitivity on the kamvas 13 is shit, if you're going with huion then get the pro 13

Just dug this out of storage.
8.3-by-7.0 inches (including the bezel at the top)
Is it worth trying to do some sketching on this or will it promote wrist drawing? Should I continue practicing on paper and pencil?

>>5167131
Dunnolol. You could assign the active area to the portion of the screen you actually drawn on and rely on your mouse and keyboard for navigation.

>>5166286
> opinion

I can give it to you but you won't listen. Just like everyone, including myself, you're chasing a dragon thinking a technology will supplement time and experience. And it won't sink in until after you've bought the best screen tablet you can find that only slightly puts you in debt that it doesn't make you any better.

The total number of artists in the world and all of history who attribute their professional success to a screen tablet is zero.

But don't listen to me, listen to a working director at Disney who got a beautiful, large cintiq on loan due to covid, and booted it for his trusty intuos.

>>5167233
>emmy award winner
>art director at Disney
>doesn't even have a proper desk
oof

Is the Galaxy Tab S6 Lite actually usable? I work with CSP vectors

>>5167233
>buying a big ass tablet but not having space due to small desk
Why?

>>5167314
THIS, also the guys using a fucking laptop?

>>5165995
>professionally for color work

because of color shift and potential black crush

remind me again how much a 1500 hdr reference monitor costs... last I checked it was 30,000 dollars
last I check on pro monitors, and not the shit dell sells at a high cost but actual pro monitors, they are starting in the 2000$ range

if you options are in the 500~$ range, go va because you are getting a shit ips with all the shortcomings of ips, you are getting something individually qa'ed and calibrated or can even be well calibrated (yea, some companies ship 'calibrated' displays, when tested, they aren't calibrated)

>>5167359
he is retarded, or he has a desktop replacement class laptop because he needs to take it on the go.
>>5167314
I have a 20~ year old desk that's a piece of shit particle board that my 22 inch is mounted to with an arm... even if you have no space, you can mount it to the back or side so it mounts near flush to the wall, and when its draw time you bring it down (or into a position like its an easel) the stand they come with does eat fucking space.

>>5167233
>>5166286
I would suggest a 22 inch at least, 32 if you can afford it, but thats me personally, I really want an a2 size workspace.

as for 'attribute the hardware to success' no... most people say 'in spite of my shit hardware'

penable displays allow you to be more confident with lines, you pull meaning you are ctrl-z ing far less then you otherwise would. in my case, I could never get use to looking at the monitor and working on a medium sized tablet, moving to a 13 display made all the difference in being able to draw digitally, and moving to a 22 inch made it so much more comfortable.

>>5167310
> thinking you need more than a laptop and a med tablet

The youtube era has created this inflated image of what a digital artist is to sell a product that almost no one uses in the industry. You'll be surprised how many cartoons/comics/manga/anime you've seen on shelves and TV have an old windows computer and a medium tablet as a major part of their workflow (almost all of them). The only one's I know that routinely upgrade are 3d animation studios, and they usually have to declare bankruptcy after the project (see LotR).

>>5166160
The cintiq companion is trash because of the computer hardware, not the screen, you dingbat. You could do better with a craptop and a chink screen tablet.

>>5162860
yeah

>>5167504
Yet the twitter post cried about not having space on his desk lmao

>>5167379
>because of color shift and black crush
Exactly. You should have stopped there instead of continuing with your schizoid bullshit.

>>5167504
laptops are underpowered and have shit screens compared to proper PC setups. And the keyboard is attached to to the screen so you can't put the keyboard to the side.

>>5167660
Welll well well. What are you gonna do on Android on a drawing tablet that needs a better CPU or whatever you think is preventing the full functionality of this drawing tablet.
The chink tablets, I own a Cube i7, have the unfortunate side effect of having bad periphials, you cant use any of them as a regular monitor connected to your regular desktop pc and the digitizer implementation/feel/ergonomity is never as perfect as an original wacom product. I used the Cube I7 for years, the cintiq 22hd is a completly different ballgame. Suddenly my drawings dont come out retarded even after the 6th stroke.

And comparing the hardware between android devices has to be the most pointless marketing induced trick there is. If you run anything with KitKat or Oreo and only have the one application open you are actually using it will always be smooth. Unless of course you wanna play shit games that are bad

>>5167310
And cant think outside box to get a new desk to support his ~1k$ device
Helpless

I bought a EW3270u and it is amazing, even uncalibrated the colors are accurate enough for paid work! This VA Panel looks amazing, especially in moody scenes with dark fogs and slight tints it just defeats IPS. I could go back but its just such a joy, much more important than resolution indeed.The flicker free part helps too
Secretly the best part is playing Overwatch or watching things like Kipo and the Wonderbeats, its insane how good these surreal anime and comic styled games look on VA. I need to get an OLED next and see what that does to my heart

Guys, this absolutely doing my head in. I keep on getting a lag on on clip studio paint Pro. When I try to draw with the mouse it's fine, it's only when I draw with my tablet pen that it lags. I'm using a wacom intuos.
I've tried going file> preferences and clicking "Use mouse mode in setting of tablet driver (Z), while on wintab. Unfortunately, it doesn't work. I clicked the tablet PC button and it's smooth like butter but the pencil/brush colour is too light and I'll feel if he's going to wear down my nibs. How do I get it to stop lagging, will keeping the right opacity? I can't even draw a pupil without in looking funky, because it pauses and then it shoots forward.

>>5168005
Do you see that annoying shit circle appear? Deactivate "use long press as right click" and fully kill off all gesture features windows provides.
Thank me

>>5168007
Only the circle that's the default cursor, that's the only one I see. However, I'm going to try your suggestion, where is the 'long press right click' located on the menu bar? Ta.

>>5168007
I tried it but I'm still having the same issue. But thanks anyway.

>>5168035
If you see this at all you havent done it
Deactivate gesture feature fully in windows.
>That WILL solve your issues.
Nothing else will.
learn to google or suffer
/out

>>5168005
You can't. Something is wrong betwewn wacom and CSP, this has been a regular complaint for a while, and wacom refuses to do jack shit about it. Don't know what the deal is on the CSP side of things or if there is even anything they can do.

>>5168004
At least OLED will be color accurate lmao

>>5168089
delta e 0.6 calibrated for HDR P3 extended color gamut. Did I measure my VA wrong, are you a screen expert?

>>5168056
Dude, as I said the only ring symbol is the normal cursor, I've saw an example of what you meant in a tutorial I searched from /Google/and it didn't match what i had in front of me.

>>5168077
Really? Well, thanks for the information, anon. Does that mean the only way to even use it properly is to use a non-wacom tablet?

>>5168102
He doesn't actually use wacom and csp bro, don't get too upset over it

>>5168102
make sure you have this off

>>5164407
How do people like this even get their driver's licence?

>>5168108
Then we'll give advice and then get angry when I can't use it?

>>5168194
Google this but I can't find anything. Is this for Windows specifically?

>>5168262
yeah it's for windows
what are you using?

>>5168094
Shame your eyes aren't perpendicular to all pixels at the same time. Would be a nice monitor if they were.

>>5168279
You don't know my true form

>>5168262
Refer to >>5168007
Just saying you did it because you can't google does not solve any problem

>>5168007
You can as a last resort try to deactivate your touchscreen (not the stylus capability) of your device, if it also features touch as it can interfere with your operation. You can do that by deactivatign the proper HID device under Device manager. This likely is not the issue though but shitty palm rejection can cause issues too

>>5167233
i mean i am a hobbyist who is interested in an upgrade. I've been using my intous pro m for over 6 years now. Before that I used the OG small wacom drawing tablet for 5 years prior. I draw on paper and scan at times too. What is the problem with inquiring fellow anons about their opinions with the hardware? isn't that what the thread is also about?
>>5167394
i see, I would really prefer the pen displays, to also have more control over my drawing, in a natural state of things similar to drawing traditionally. I like digital art because I'm not wasting paper on trivial things whereas I can ctrl+z them, and be able to have access to digital tools, that would traditionally be costly on my budget. I'll think about the Cintiq 22-32 range. Thank you.

>>5168265
Yeah, but I tried searching for clip studio paint Pro and I couldnt find anything. Therefore, I wondered whether it was accessable via my computer instead, like >>5168007.

>>5168291
You're clearly not following the thread because I already tried suggestion.

>>5168485
you didn't tell us what os you're using
anyways this would be so much easier if you took a minute to record what your issue looks like and post it

>>5168485
You think this is a tech support chat where you can just be stubborn and claim restarting your computer doesnt help and that you need me to come to your floor and do it for you?

So, what exactly is the differences between Tab S7 and S7+?
I am intending it to use it as a supporting tools since I already have Huion Kamvas 13 as a drawing tablet. However, while it have more drawing capacity than the tablet, it's extremely difficult to carry around for someone who need to commute a lot, so I would like something portable. I don't intend to just use it for drawing, but other work related stuff as well, so I have a good reason to get one.

The thing is, The 200$ difference is too steep for me, and I am not sure how much spec power do I actually need to use. Unless it's a worthy investment for the upgrade, I might as well go with the cheaper model. What do you guy think?

>one by wacom
>cheapest wacom tablet available in our market
all chink tablets are shit right?
so this is the go to entry level entry tablet?

does disabling windows ink on a surface pro do anything beneficial?

>>5168696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmzQdmLW4A

>>5168704
It won't make it work better. Probably will fuck your pen pressure.

>>5168696
Eeeh.. Wanna hear my honest opinion? All you desire is a screen that can show you videos or basic basic basic stuff.
Android is .. factory new e-trash by design. Buy something with a good digitizer used or if you still want a mobile os dont spend more than 300$, the hardware inside the tablet does not make a difference - at - all. It does not enable you to be better at anything in any way shape or form nor does it enable you to do more.

You are looking for an excuse to not do something now and daydream what you could do if you just had xy. A bus is too shaky for drawing MOST of the time.

If you want something strictly for consumption I can recommend the Dell Venue 7840 used for just over 100$ but its gonna fall on deaf ears.

Any tab s7 users here? Is it worth the upgrade from the s6?

>>5169440
The tablet you recommended doesnt even use pressure sensitive stylus... the ones that do, use AAAA batteries. At that point youre just as well drawing on a fucking kindle fire or a regular touch screen anything. Disgusting.

At least recommend a model with active stylus next time.

>>5162843
This one seems good. Slightly cheaper version at Best Buy with less adjustable stand iirc.
https://www.amazon.com/LG-27UL650-W-Monitor-DisplayHDR-White/dp/B07MKT2BNB

>>5163377
The only phone I ever drew on was an iPhone X. It was the last one with 3D touch, so I could use a dumb stylus I already had lying around, and had pressure sensitivity.

I only had the regular size, not the XL one. It was a little cramped but usable. The fat stylus got in the way a lot. The large round tip was more unpredictable compared to a pencil kinda nib and is what made it feel mildly cramped.
I used Procreate Pocket, but only ever did a few quick sketches on public transit on the way to work.
Honestly if I had the XL phone with a better stylus it might've been perfectly fine if you're okay with drawing on a smallish screen. I'm not sure what those phones are even going for now, but they're two gens old.

Unfortunately, this is the only not cringey scribble I have that's not publicly posted, that also shows pressure.

>>5162720
Xp pen artist 12 pro and Huion Kamvas 20 are on sale on Amazon right now, for any of you guys looking for cheapo screen tablets. Can't speak for the quality but thought some of you guys might like a heads up.

>>5168699
Just save up a bit more and buy an intuos pro so you don't have to waste money "working your way up"

>>5168699
Not all chink tablets are shit. Xp pen is actually good as long as you get a batteryless stylus.

Definitely agree with the other guy though, if you're going to get an intuos, get an intuos pro. Intuos is the equivalent of the old bamboo tablets.

is a intuos 5 medium PTK-650/K good for a beginner? I can get one preowned for 100 AUD

>>5168699
>this is the go to entry level entry tablet?

no but you apparently didn't read the sticky so go for it

>>5169819
Do you know how to draw? No tablet is good if you don't.

>>5169828
yes

>>5162720
Apple is about to change the game. Their arm chips are far more powerful than anything in till has and they allow for 20 hour battery life. They also require very little cooling. If you look at the iPad Pro you will notice that Apple has the best digitizer and screens in the business.I am almost certain that Apple is about to make a hybrid device that is part laptop and part iOS tablet. It will be the best device ever made and it will most likely be cheaper than the most expensive CIntiqs. I recently bought a 2018 iPad Pro and it is amazing for drawing and painting. It is far better than any Syntech I’ve ever had. If you don’t want to get a used iPad wait a year and you’ll see some of the most amazing our devices ever made. I’m hoping they will make touchscreen IMacs With 27 inch iPad pros on a stand. It’s pretty obvious that Big Sur is the first step in a touch Mac 0S. Don’t waste your money on a screen tablet because those damn devices are the past.

>>5169832
Lol apples text to speech is terrible compared to androids

>>5169824
The sticky of this thread used to be very different, this one is bad.

>>5169819
Yeah it's fine. Intuos pro is preferable but intuos is ok for now.

>>5168425
I like digital art with a penable display because it still feels like im working on something traditionally, but the cost of incidentals (nibs, ink, paper, paint) is not a factor, I can fuck around and not care about cost. even the most expensive cintiq is cheaper then the cost of irl mediums over the coarse of a few months much less the years it would be in service.

>>5167822
you understand that ips has much of the same issues just not as prevalent, right? you look at the monitor from an off angle and the backlight bleeds so much that that its a non starter, you look at from a higher or lower angle contrast more or less goes away making things fade into black.

if you are looking at the monitor straight on, the issues with va and ips, at least on the consumer side are non existent... I mean, if color shift was really an issue that caused people to worry, do you think va would be used in tv's opposed to ips at the high end? pro ips > pro oled > va =/= oled > ips > tn
and lets be real, you aren't paying for pro ips or pro oled, and oled and va are more or less a wash on the consumer side really only differentiating each other by what you want out of the display,

>>5169824
fuck the sticky. OP should be permanently banned from the site.

>>5167504
most artists are poor and not making money with their art, the ones that do typically buy something high end because its quality of life. lets be real, you have a 20,000 x 40,000 canvas and you are using a 1000 pixel brush for a wash, you suddenly can't do that on a laptop or a desktop with shit ram.

granted like most people 'if its not broke don't fix it' applies, but of the artists I know who make money with art, they were running i7 5000 (I forget the specific chip but it was a 8 core) with a titan if not a firepro or quadro

>>5168005
>>5168035
get krita and see if the problem persists to other programs.

>>5168077
wacom has quite a few issues that do absolutely nothing to resolve and force users to write their own drivers, this was one of my issues with wacom where if i'm buying something thats 2000$ and for professional use, I expect professional support.

wacom more or less exists because they were the best for a long time, and despite what the autist in this thread says, cheaper brands have caught up, to the point wacom acnologia's they caught up and puts out a fucking garbage sku to try and get people to buy that instead.

>>5168699
see, and this is a very key thing to keep in mind, wacom low end products are abject garbage. they are so shit that they have to change the branding every so often because of how bad a rep it gets.

low end wacom > shit chinese tablets > Good chinese tablets =/= REAL intuos tablets

and the good chinese tablets come in at around 1/5th the price of good intuos.

>>5169922
Wacom is giving up and focusing on e-ink. Theyre just hoping that people keep buying into that "industry standard" shit long enough to fund this crap

>>5169926
good chinese tablets are not equal to real intuos tablets? or they're about as good as?

>>5169937
depends on what you want them for
personally I want barel rotation but no chinese tablet has that yet, and till recently, no chinese tablet had full batteryless pens so there was always that issue.

in terms of just drawing and pressure, yea, chinese tablets caught up, out of the box, wacom feels better and you are setting up chinese tablets per program or per pen, I would call it a minor issue, but one I can deal with.

once chinese tablets are feature parody with wacom in all ways, I will call good chinese better then wacom, till then they are kind of equal but feature dependant.

The cheap XP pen shortcut remote works with any tablet/software, yes? Is it the go to option for shortcut controls? I don't need a big dick hyper device.

>>5169946
Thanks for elaborating. Looks like I'll be supporting the CCP next month.

>>5169954
> the goto
nah my friends and i just use our game controllers (ps, xbox, switch) and joy2key.

>>5169830
well go for it then. The price is ok. If you havent used a tablet before and are coming from psper/pencil, the coordination difference will probablt take a week or two. Faster if you’ve done some live model drawing before. Good luck.

>>5162720
Just bought a 4gen iPad Air, did I fuck up?

>>5169971
whatever you do, just make sure you buy from somewhere where you can return it if its faulty, you don't want to deal with warranties from wacom or chinese tablets, that shit is last resort.

>>5169954
Yeah it works on anything. It's pretty alright for what it is, though you could get the same usage out of a cheap programmable numberpad remote

>>5169937
It depends on the tablet. Xp deco pro and huion hs611 are probably the closes I've found to the intuos pro experience. Not 100% there but really close.

>>5170407
Have you used all three? What are the biggest differences?

>>5169832
I want windows.

>>5169937
Not really. I've tried gaoman, xp-pen, ugee, and huion. They look different on the surface but they're all have the same everywhere else. Up front, there's a risk of you getting a dud unit (buy from Amazon, they have a better return policy than if you buy direct and you don't have to wait for shipping from china). Even if you get a good unit, there's a chance that it'll die whenever you do a firmware update (and it'll be frequent because something always seems to break so you're waiting for the next update to see if it gets fixed and something else stops working instead).
All in all? The chinese brands just care about getting your sheckels, not building a reliable product or servicing a custom after the sale. All just dirty business and a waste of time.

https://store.huion.com/products/inspiroy-keydial-kd200

What do you think?

>>5169776
>400 bucks for the medium size tablet
They're not fucking around.
It's that good? It is durable, at least?

Anyone with a display tablet ever roll back to a slate tablet? I currently use a Wacom 22HD, and it's okay, but I feel like the benefits of posture, consistent color, and not needing to coax a bigass tablet across my desk may be worth it.
If you've made the switch, do you recommend? What do you like/dislike between the two? Which tablets did you use?

Just getting into digital art, can I get some recommendations for CSP brushes that are good for simple illustration?

>>5169902
>you understand that ips has much of the same issues just not as prevalent, right?
No. Most of the issues are completely different.
>you look at the monitor from an off angle and the backlight bleeds so
That's glow. Backlight bleed is not exclusive to IPS and can be avoided in any type of LCD panel. Glow can be fixed if you pay up.
>if you are looking at the monitor straight on, the issues with va and ips, at least on the consumer side are non existent
Wrong. IPS will have decent uniformity on everything but very dark colors, and for dark colors the problems will be at the edges of the screen. VA has problems with all colors. VA will crush near blacks in the center of the screen, which is obviously a great feature.
>I mean, if color shift was really an issue that caused people to worry, do you think va would be used in tv's opposed to ips at the high end?
It's called marketing. Samsung doesn't have an OLED factory. They do have a VA factory though. Guess what makes them more money, selling their own panels or selling someone else's panels? Oh, and they even put a filter in their most expensive TVs that improves viewing angles at the cost of contrast. Funny that.
Anyway, most consumers are dumb and blind. They'll buy whatever they're told.
>pro ips > pro oled > va =/= oled > ips > tn
I assume by pro IPS you mean dual layer. I don't know any pro OLEDs currently in production.
OLED is obviously superior to any VA for everything in a controlled environment. Some smaller production companies are actually using consumer OLEDs for HDR content. VAs only strength is higher brightness for fighting sunlight (not to be confused as a strength in terms of HDR). A regular pro IPS is obviously superior to any VA.
>oled and va are more or less a wash on the consumer side really only differentiating each other by what you want out of the display
Yeah, excellent picture quality vs something you can watch in direct sunlight.

>>5170944
It's good but I wouldn't call it durable. Expect it to break right after your warranty runs out.

>>5170945
I have an xp pen 15.6 on my desk and an ipad for sketching on. I know the big tablet pain. Have you thought about mounting it on an arm attached to your desk?

>>5171065
I should say big tablet pain is why im currently using the 15.6 pro on my desk. I can't afford a vesa mount for my big boi yet so it's just sitting in its box until then.

>>5163377
It's considerably annoying compared to a proper tablet. Pic related was drawn with the note 20. Lineart is a pain as well as accidentally doing something with the touch screen. I'd say phones are good for doodles, and finished art is doable. It's just not as convenient as a regular screenless/display built solely for being a drawing tablet.

>tfw just got my drawing tablet
>it takes the position of my mouse
do I train my left hand to use the mouse now?
or eliminate the mouse altogether?

>>5171065
I've got it mounted to an arm that I've been using for a dual monitor setup, and it's alright. The arm kinda sucks for a tablet that moves a lot though; the adjustment is really tough to nail down, so I often find the tablet moving when I don't want it to, or staying annoyingly stuff when I actually need to move it.
What I need is a better arm, but before I shell out $150+ on one, I might as well ask if it's worth just changing form factor entirely.

>>5171117
Remove mouse. Tablet is your mouse now :)

>>5163377
started with a Xperia M c 1904. Continuing to draw on a Redmi Note 8 pro. Its just a matter of autism.

Just bought the xp-pen deco 01 v2

Pretty good, was easy to set up and ran no problem with blender and clip studio. Pressure is pretty good, and I have had no bugs so far in my week and a half of use. I would recommend

>>5162720
>He draws on a non-screen tablet
Lmfao ngmi. There are no pros who use it, you are wasting your money. Just save up for a good screen tablet like the pros use.

>>5171393
pyw

>>5171388
If those are the results you get, I'll pass

>>5170944
Yeah, the wacom pro line is the best built of any current screenless tablet manufacturer. I'm not sure if they're more solid than their older stuff like the intuos3 but I haven't had any problems with my pro m since getting it 4 years ago.

>>5171411
Just look up Cutesexyrobutts on Twitter. I don't have time to post shit here all night, I have commissions $$$

>>5170944
>>5169776
>>5171419
>Paying $400 for a tablet with no screen
ISHYGDDT. Even a shitty $200 Gaomon screen tablet would be better.

>>5171411
It's just chang troll-posting, don't pay any mind. Just hide his posts like the rest of us do.

>>5171419
What's the difference between a $400 medium intuos and a cheap, ancient bamboo?

>>5171388
Ease off the pen pressure line width shenanigans, fampai..

>>5171463
They're two different lines. The bamboo is the old name of the non-pro line before it was relabeled 'intuos'. The pen is different between the two lines, you don't get an eraser and only one button on the body instead of two. Also, the current pro M has a new bluetooth module that is built-in instead of being an optional accessory. The pro line also has a softer texture than the non-pro line.

>>5171415
Idunno its treated me pretty well, obviously a better atist could showcase it better but for what im doing it gets the job done, and is pretty cheap

>>5171485
>You don't get an eraser
Nigga just press E lmao like tf?

>>5171563
Yeah I know I don't get it either. My first tablet was a hand-me-down intuos and I never used the eraser even day one. But some people swear they need it so there you go.

>>5170944
I have an intuos pro from like 2014, and it still works. One of the buttons broke but I don't even use those buttons anymore, I use the keyboard.

You could look for a used one maybe.

>>5171419
They are not more solid than the old intuos 3 and 4s. It sucks. Nicer features but not sturdy

How bad is the Surface Pro?

I want a device for Uni which can double as a laptop and an art station. I get the pen is wobbly without any in app stabilization, but is it that bad that there's absolutely no point in buying it?

>>5172192
I mean... if you want a portable computer then that's fine, tho tbqh I wouldn't even buy a surface to use as a laptop
just get a good laptop + ipad/tab s, you can even take notes with ipads

>>5162720
Is this grip bad

Are there any cons to exporting procreate files as PSD instead of it's base file type?I'm in the process of backing up my workfiles, but I wasn't sure which one, and I didn't want to make back ups of both sizes.

>>5169926
>and the good chinese tablets come in at around 1/5th the price of good intuos.
Okay, I'll bite
What are the "good chinese tablets"?

>>5172688
Xp Pen is king of cheap tablet.
Huion is ok on some models, others are trash.
Gaomon is trash tier cheap as hell.

>>5172716
>Deco pro medium is at 110 bucks on Amazon
CCP...I kneel...

>>5172192
>I want a device for Uni which can double as a laptop and an art station
galaxy book flex 2?

>>5162720
Hi, a guy is selling a 2013 wacom intuos pro large for 180 dollars which is a third of what I can buy a new one for. Should I go for it? It's in good condition with no cracks but does show signs of use.

>>5173392
Go meet him and test it out first. Make sure it works, and all the buttons work, usb cord wiggle doesnt take out connection, etc. Write down what driver version hes using.

is one by wacom small okay? just for hobby thing to use few times a year. i can't draw shit so don't need professional stuff. but if it's really bad i just rather use mouse for ms paint pictures

>>5173555
I use one. It's good enough for what you want to do.

>>5173576
really? was kinda joking about ms paint, but you know for casual stuff sometimes nothing crazy and never had drawing tablet.
just seems to be cheapest available where i live and couldn't really find much info about it. mostly people saying it's good for "osu" and few indian unboxing videos

>>5173596
You can get an actual drawing tablet for less if you go chink.

>>5173605
any suggestions? but i don't think chink stuff is viable. anything over 20 money will most likely be taxed and stuff if it's sent from china. plus have had bad luck with chinese stuff lately anyway

>>5173618
There are good ones out there but if you aren't going to use it much just get the small wacom

>>5173636
yea not looking to use one professionally or anything. just something better than mouse for occasional stuff. but thanks. i'll consider getting one. just have a bad feeling that it's like using laptop touchpad with a pen

>>5173618
>>5173683
I don't know where you are, but they ship from within Europe, the US, Russia etc.
If you don't care about the money and you're barely going to use it anyway, then sure get the wacom.
>just have a bad feeling that it's like using laptop touchpad with a pen
It's nothing like that, except I'm not sure what that's even supposed to mean.

>>5173686
okay. sorry stupid question, but what's a good cheap one that ships from within europe?

>>5173694
They basically all do. Either from amazon or aliexpress. You will probably have better luck with amazon (if it's even an option for you) for warranty issues, but prices are usually higher.
I have no personal experience with any of these, but the Deco Pro, Deco 01 V2, Huion HS611 are the newest and most memed ones. Older ones like the HS610, H1060P are probably fine too. If you won't use it much it probably won't really matter what you get, so maybe just get whatever is cheap?
Or maybe consider the wacom CTL-672-N? It's larger and only €60 on amazon. Don't know anything about it though.

>>5173772
thanks. i'll check those out but at fast glance seem more expensive ones (and probably better overall)

>>5173555
>>5173555
replaced my mouse with it
didn't really help me draw better

>>5173900
pyw

>>5163148
Focus drawing. Using up all your resources on background distracting shit that can be accessed on your phone.

Want to get my first tablet. Will I go wrong with the Intuos S? It's the most shilled on Amzn.

>>5174644
Fuck off.

>>5174676
ok

>>5174644
yes that's a terrible tablet and you can get so much better for the same price
especially since wacom "revamped" their low-end line and made all the entry level products even worse than their older ones

>>5173683
>just have a bad feeling that it's like using laptop touchpad with a pen
Yeah its slightly better than that. If you can find something the size of a medium intuos it will feel better to draw with

how are chinese graphics tablets?

>>5175401
Depends on the brand and model usually. What kind of tablet are you looking at or looking for?

>>5175415
What’s Huions and XP’s best

Should I get an ipad just to draw on it? I want something portable that I can use on the bus or something

>>5171208
>What I need is a better arm,
Just do deadlifts bro and build some muscle. I've got my cintiq 22' mounted to my left arm and draw with my right

>>5175676
just get a stylus to use own your phone if you're only interested in drawing digitally on a bus
your other option is getting a samsung s6 tab lite or just a used basic ipad
if you plan to use it more often go for a higher end ipad or s7 tab

>>5175726
>I've got my cintiq 22' mounted to my left arm and draw with my right
Post pics or you're a liar

>>5172192
>How bad is the Surface Pro?
>I want a device for Uni which can double as a laptop and an art station. I get the pen is wobbly without any in app stabilization, but is it that bad that there's absolutely no point in buying it?

I have the 2017 model and back then it made lots of sense (since there was no S7+). But I won't buy another one unless they dump the N-Trig technology. You'll never have natural hand-eye coordination for detail work and it's infuriating. Stabilisation doesn't fix the issue for detail work, so you'll only ever be able to make fairly fast, long, sweeping strokes if you want accuracy. Forget about drawing a neat small turn or corner in one stroke, it will always be mangled unless you draw it with two fast strokes. Forget small circles, they'll be random gibberish. Short lines will always head in somewhat random directions before the stabilisation can do anything.

What's worse is that you never know if it's going to work the same way tomorrow. One update bricked thousands of surfaces and made them unusable for art because Microsoft decided that the pen should "scroll" in every program, which in photoshop meant that it would only pan and not draw. The update could not be rolled back and was only fixed a year later. Another recent update reintroduced an old parallax error from years ago, so now any tilt-recognising pen will have additional, completely unpredictable and constantly changing jitter in the tilt plane on the scale of tens of pixels. Plus the wobbliness seems to always change with updates. They already had it fixed for the most part and then just brought it back with a vengeance. Rolling back and resetting drivers didn't work.

>>5175766
>Continued...

I'm looking at a S7+ for my next art device. I'm managing with the surface, but I know how nicely I can draw detail with a good tablet like an Intuos and I want to get back to that. (And as far as I know, plugging an Intuos into the surface for detail work, which I've considered often, requires changing all the tablet drivers every single time and disables the surface's pen).

>>5162720
So i got my intuos pro
Can i install pirated software as long as it stays without internet?

>>5175785
what?

>>5172716
Huion in some ways is more advanced than XP-Pen. Take the Artist 15.6 Pro versus the Kamvas Pro 16. XP-Pen's model has an anti-glare textured film applied over the glass that can be removed while the Huion has etched glass, meaning that it's built into the screen.

>>5175904
oh im not interested in getting a screen tablet

>>5162720
Hi guys,

I have an XP pen. Sorry, i bought before I found /ic/.

I'm trying to set it up to do dual screen on my gaming PC, but the issue is that the PC has only one HDMI port. How do I get dual screen set up?

>>5175913
Hook your monitor up to one of the other ports. Buy a new gpu. Whatever.

>>5175913
Your GPU probably has multiple DisplayPort outputs, buy an HDMI to DisplayPort adapter and use that for the tablet. That's how I've got my Kamvas Pro 16

I caved in for a XP deco pro.
I'll make sure to complain here later so you guys can tell me you warned me.

>>5175955
you should've bought a Deco 01
the meme dial isn't that useful

>>5175925
Hi there, same guy here you replied to, but using my phone cause camera. Here is the back of the gpu. Are these the display ports? Will a DP to HDMI cable work as you suggested on this?

>>5175975
>deleted within minutes
Kek, it's a fight that can't be won.

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>>5175972
Yes. DisplayPorts look like more square HDMIs.
>Will a DP to HDMI cable work as you suggested on this
Yes. Specifically, ask for a female HDMI to male DisplayPort adapter. You plug your tablet's HDMI to the adapter and the adapter's DisplayPort to one of those ports.

>>5175961
The dial is integral to my workflow. Dial is life.

>>5176049
Are you using CSP or PS?

>>5176049
lol why, do you do spin your canvas? it seems useful for maybe resizing brushes if you're a beg and realize that it's inaccurate.

>>5176186
you mentioned every single common use except the most useful one