/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>spends 30 seconds on backgrounds and overall details/ doesn't use reference
>goes to /ic.
>"Something 'bout this just doesn't look right. It's... kinda boring looking? Also I think "needs more loomis" is the term some would use... help me out anons, what's wrong with this?"

are you the red shirt noodle guy?

>>5164673
Your panels are the same boxes. Make them different sizes and shapes.

>>5164673
Also, clearly show where the characters are. I have no clue where the cowboy is in relation to the scruffy dude.

>>5164673
I love it. Some obvious things that come to mind:

1.) Use photo references for characters, environment, weapons, etc.

2.) Add shadows and highlights.

3.) Varied line weight.

4.) Look at how Batman (or other comics) do their onomatopoeias (or whatever it's called) like bang and thump. It needs an illustrative quality.

5.) Textures, especially in the environment.

>>5164673
this panel makes me laugh so fucking hard.

Anon, you have talent. The narrative was super clear and well composed. Not a lot of people can do that, believe me.

Just go learn to draw, and you'll be fine. I recommend Loomis, don't listen to anyone who calls him a meme.

>>5164676
>spends 30 seconds
just that page took me an entire day on it's own
>>5164678
who?
>>5164679
noted
>>5164684
OP is page two since, attached is page one. does that help?
>>5164687
>1.)
noted
>2.)
Believe me I'd love to, but like I said, what you see by itself already took my an entire day. I feel like I'm doing something wrong for it to take so long and look so bare bones.
>3.)
Are you saying I should get rid of the varied line weight, or increase it? There's already varied line weight, but I'll admit it's subtle
>4.), 5.)
Noted

>>5164706
kek, glad it brought you entertainment
>>5164707
Thanks, my guy! I'll check him out

Reaction image gold keep it comin OP

>>5164715
a day for 1 page of a comic as a /beg/ isn't a lot at all....lol

>>5164724
alright here's page 3, but that's all you get cause I haven't made more yet
>>5164726
still, I'd like to be working at least a bit faster

>>5164673
SOUL

>>5164735
IM
GONNA
COOOOOOOOM

>>5164673
>>5164715
>>5164735
it's really good
the worst you can say is that it's "simple"
here's what you should do:
*finish* the entire comic. retain this style so that it will aid in *finishing*. it hasn't gotten in the way yet, so don't let it. just keep pushing through. by god, do not stop. you *must* finish.
once you have the entire thing finished, rest for a few weeks. what do you cringe at? fix it. rest another week. anymore cringe? no? start thinking about how to progress with your illustrations. how to make things look more interesting, varied, more subtlety, references to other work, more detail, better composition, but most importantly, keep the spirit going. don't second guess yourself.
i believe in you!

>>5164715
>>5164673
Too many actions. Learn to condense and infer.

>>5164769
>>5164774
Thanks, anons. Noted.

>>5164673

it is kinda boring looking, but i still like it.

sorry i can't contribute much, but it actually has soul to it

>>5164868
Thanks, all feedback is welcome.

>>5164673
Try using this layout, it works well with westerns

For me it is just simple, but if it was mine I would change some things: Using more straight and dynamic lines(with thickness variation) , different camera angles and frames formats and a simple shading. It's just my opinion and the lack of those things doesn't make it ugly, but simple as I said in the beginning,

>>5164673
you really call that crap a comic page?

Passion like this is such a rare find in this hellhole. The polar opposite of "OMG I'M SO BAD, FUCK MY PARENTS FOR NOT GIVING ME ASIAN JEANS, ALSO ALL OF YOUR WORK SUCKS TOO".
There is a lot of room for improvement for sure, just start with what other non-crab anons said and see where it goes.

A comic with bad art and bad paneling is bad.

A comic with bad art, great paneling, and good writing **can** be great (See One Punch Man/Mob Psycho).

A comic with great art and bad paneling can be boring to read, and sometimes bad paneling actively detracts from the experience (See like, every single webtoon style comic)

https://www.pinterest.com/tsukiyono/interesting-manga-paneling-and-techniques/

https://www.clipstudio.net/how-to-draw/archives/160963

https://www.manga-audition.com/japanesemanga101_003/

http://webcomicalliance.com/featured-news/composition-101-laying-out-your-comic-page/

Before drawing a page, thumbnail it like this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXzl5UNW4AA9-ph.jpg

>>5164673
technical chops aside, i really like what you're going for here.

>>5164673
>my names not shane kid

>>5164673
SOVL

I can’t tell if the praise itt is some hugbox shit, ironic shitposting, or the comic autists are so deep into the theory of sequential art that they see this good for some underlying mechanic while being unable to recognize it looks like shit to someone whose only interest in comics is reading them

Reminds me of web One Punch Man. Extremely soulful.

>>5164715
all shit talk aside I do like the bottom middle panel where the dudes trying to frantically reload, that was a nice detail.

Refreshing thread, nice break from the constant shit.

>>5165576
>>5164997
>>5164769
All solid advice.

Additions (books):

Loomis - Fun with a pencil. The realistic style (when he gets to it) should be really helpful.

Framed ink / Framed Perspective

Read a lot of comic westerns.

And have fun along the way, keep trucking brother!

>>5165576
Is that image ironic, because the layout makes me want to kms? Sorry, I have autism.

>>5164855
Checked. Great stuff OP keep up the good work!

>>5164742
kek

>>5164910
>>5164917
>>5164997
>>5165576
>>5165582
>>5165831
>>5165842
>>5165843
>>5165965
Thanks for the feedback, anons!
>>5165848
>Read a lot of comic westerns.
Do you have any specific recommendations?

>>5165836
>the comic autists are so deep into the theory of sequential art that they see this good for some underlying mechanic
i think this is closest to the truth, but they don't have to be insulted with "comic autists"

>>5166014
Blueberry by Moebius

>>5166348
>autist is an insult
where do you think you are?

>>5165836
Imagine being pleb filtered by an mspaint cowboy comic

>>5166392
it's a fair point, i admit

>>5165836
it aint "good" and everybody right down to the OP knows it, but it's also not Hopeless. obviously the art itself could use improvement in basically every regard but the small story of "cowboy gets horse shot then tricks shooter with a rock and kills him" is cool and it seems like OP's not a retard (insulting people giving him advice etc) so overall I think we're mostly willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to this.

>>5165836
It's hugboxing yeah

>>5166348
I am a bit of an elitist when it comes to technique, but I tend to give comics a pass because sometimes narrative and pacing do a lot for keeping someone interested. I think you're pretty decent at choosing the planes to narrate, you could polish this by reading more comics, but watching animation and movies helps as much.
https://www.moviestillsdb.com/movies
https://film-grab.com/
Aiming for realism is obvious and you have to learn it, but you seem to have sort of an idea of how to present your drawings, don't lose it on the way just for the sake of looking "realistic", probably lots of animation you know or like don't follow look that amazing on the surface, just to keep in mind.

>>5165836
SOUL
O
U
L

>>5165830
dud, i was thinking the same shit hahahaha

>>5164673
>>5164715
>>5164735

I feel like this is the most glaring problem >>5164684
I'm still not sure if the shooter was in a cave or not... and the Elon Musk cowboy was in front of another cave? or the same one?

>>5168712
Been worried about that for awhile. At this point I don't think I'll have time to fix it before my deadline, so I'll just have to keep it in mind for the future.

>>5165836
Same anon here, going back to these now, I admit the comic is good enough for me to read it.
The art is garbage, and I can’t decide if the slow ass movie pacing is good because it’s atmospheric or bad because it takes 3 pages to depict 5 seconds of plot, but the shot in third page are very nice, and if you can actually figure out how to use the simple visual elements to paint a coherent scene (imo nothing with the brown background makes sense, it looks like the rider is passing in front of a cave or something when the horse is shot by a guy inside the cave, then the guy takes cover behind a rock just in front of the cave entrance, with the cave mouth taking up the whole shot, then on third page the cave is tiny and the dude is like a 100 meters away from the gunman), get some decent plot and some tits in corsets, I’d read it

>>5169216
Good feedback. Thanks, anon!

>>5169349
Just keep it up, you’ll get there.
Try to use the simple panels with big color fields effectively and use pleasing and vibrant color schemes, if you look at the first page, if you add up the horse and the cave, literally half the page is brown, and the other half is pale yellow and grey

>>5169380
I don't think colors have ever really been my strength, especially for backgrounds. If you have any good tips for that, I'd appreciate them.

Also, page 4 is done. I think it does look a bit better with the lineweight. Also tried using the loomis sphere which has given fair results.

you've got style, creativity, just keep going
just spend a little more time on the backgrounds, save fill in for color as a dedicated artistic choice
the op picture is just too strong in that fashion, it's hard to tell what's going on, >>5164715 this one is a much more fluid storyboard style comic
the dilation of the eye is nice and evocative of aeon flux
your paneling is fine, desu it is much more like an 80s style comic, like frank miller. don't be afraid to break the 'barrier' like pic related
I can tell you've got the spirit

>>5164673
Why does this literally have the same style as Town With No Name

>>5169472
Thanks, anon. I don't know how much work on the backgrounds I'll be able to do since I've got a tight deadline, but I'll probably be able to fix that in the next issue.

>>5169426
ok so:
-draw different angles
-dont be afraid to draw abstract backgrounds/draw out of the panel. it's a visual medium not a movie
-unironically practice drawing squarish squiggles so you too can draw cool canyons
hope this helps

>>5169510
ikea didn't exist in the 1800s, anon

jk, thanks for the advice!

>>5169510
>>5169515
I must say, though, I think the way you edited that last panel makes it look like's having a vietnam flashback lmao

>>5164715
>just that page took me an entire day on it's own
I feel better about my drawings now.

>>5169525
I'm glad

are there even good mangaka with good stories that don't use generic tropes?
all the manga that I've read that were actually good had dedicated writers
I just don't believe that some artist can somehow make a story at the same level of someone who literally dedicates their entire life to telling stories
idk, i could be wrong, but when I've read mangaka's solo work, it's also tropey garbage which is why I ignore any manga that doesn't have a dedicated writer

>>5169534
wrong thread for this, but what about JJBA?

>>5169545
outlier

>>5169546
FMA?

>>5164910
Sauce? image search is giving me moeshit.

>>5169534
naoki urasawa and kengo hanazawa

>>5169534
togashi.

>>5169547
Fuck My Ass?

>>5171286
Fullmetal Alchemist

>>5169534
Isayama

>>5171471
Tropey

>>5171585
How are tropes bad? Everything has tropes

>>5169516
lmao yeah, very dramatic :V

>>5171657
He's the retard who drew this tropey western crap in the op, ignore him lmao

>>5171657
didn't say that. I'm literally doing a spaghetti western inspired comic rn. but >>5169534 asked for stuff without tropes, so AOT isn't a good example.

>>5164673
soul

>>5171664
>>5171688
My bad anon, keep up the work on your comic :)

>>5164673
I like this a lot. Although the style is a little crude (at least right now) it has a certain charm to it. Ignore the anon who said to add shading by the way, the flat colours look nice.

Nice work. Keep practicing.

>>5171735
>>5172051
>>5172257
Thanks, anons!

>>5166589
For god's sake Anon, at least learn to draw a fucking horse. The ones on your comic exists in like 2 angles, side and front and walks like two guys in a rubber suit.

>>5164997
>"OMG I'M SO BAD, FUCK MY PARENTS FOR NOT GIVING ME ASIAN JEANS, ALSO ALL OF YOUR WORK SUCKS TOO".
Only half asian here, asian genes are a meme because my art is /beg/trash.

>>5172564
I am legitimately having so much fun reading your comic, its so full of soul and I hope you keep making more. you should upload this somewhere

>>5172916
that gives me warm fuzzies. I wasn't originally gonna upload it here, but here's page 5, just for you anon. I'll probably put this on webtoons or something when it's done.

There's plainly effort going in. The simple genre subject matter is a good choice and your naive art pairs with the naive writing. It's the fun kind of amateur.

My advice is that you will learn WAY more if you focus on finishing this comic and share it online somewhere, then do a post mortem afterwards. Don't let it go on too long and it will be worth the effort you spending completing it.

>>5173054
Thanks. Uh, I gotta ask though... what's a post-mortem? Like a retrospective analysis?

>>5172977
>I’ll give you anything-
>female leg on staircase
>oh boy this gonna be g-
>it’s an old hag
>I’m nathaniel
dropped

>>5172977
Godspeed anon, Ive saved all the pages because theyre very charming, let us know when you upload them because I want to see the progress. Best of luck

>>5173065
Shoot, I didn't realize how weird that setup was

>>5173061
Yeah. Given a little space from the act of creating the work, you'll see all kinds of flaws you'll want to improve. Pick 1 or 2 to focus on and get on with making the next thing.

As you improve old work becomes kind of embarrassing. Then much later, when you've advanced much further, it changes again and becomes kind of nostalgic. You start to see your younger enthusiasm and qualities that may have dulled over time. tl;dr, your work is good enough so keep on working.

>>5172977
Be honest anon, you're drawing the mc with a cloak to skimp on having to draw a body aren't you?

>>5173133
No, but I'm really glad it turned out that way. Saves a lot of time.

>>5172977
Rename the Caleb looking guy to "Not Shane" instead of Nathaniel

>>5173150
fun tidbit his name was originally Samoga Tust but I ditched that cause he's american and "Samoga" sounded too Spanish

>OP's reference images

>>5164673

This is literally the first thing that popped into my head when seeing rhis. Also this looks like "The Town With No Name"

>>5164706
>>5173368


GIVE ME A DRINK BARTENDER

>>5169571
Tex, a long running Italian comic. It more or less kickstarted the Italian comic industry

>>5173368
>I am the danger. I AM THE ONE WHO DRAWS COCKS

>>5172977
Gibs webtoon link!!!!

>>5174156
Well, it's not up yet, anon. I'll see about setting one up tomorrow and then I'll post the link here.

>>5174184
Please do Anon, I for one am looking forward to seeing where your comic goes :)

>>5174184
>>5176402
Thanks! I didn't manage to set it up today (time got away from me) but I at least got another page done, which you will hopefully enjoy.

i hereby crown you king of ic

>>5169426
>I don't think colors have ever really been my strength,
You have no strengths.

Honestly a comic page in a day is pretty decent. You could do more, but if you can finish 2 pages a week at least you can have a 96 page book within a year. Definitely work on light weight, backgrounds, and paneling though. Mostly line weight is the most important, but don't go back and edit your previous pages or anything. i encourage you to just improve your art as you make more. Making comics right now is a really good habit if this is what you want to do, don't fall into the "I'm not good enough yet!" like I'm in

>>5176616
>...
>a cowboy
my mans got autism

>>5176616
Dr Pavel, I’m a cowboy

>>5176616
>who are you?
>I drive
Based

>>5176616
>ISHYGDDT

Just posting to say that if you keep working at it you’ll be a monster

>>5164673
think more like a director and use the medium's format to your advantage

>>5164673
>Something 'bout this just doesn't look right. It's... kinda b
Are you trying to make a normie western 4 panel comic or one with a story? If it's one with a story, i'd say your lines doesn't have weight in them, the colors are too saturated and that it's hard to look at, kinda tiring to the eyes. it'll definitely help to know which part should be saturated and which not.

>>5177232
so I'm still right

>>5177217
>>5177235
>>5177358
>>5177638
>>5177657
Thanks for the advice!

read 'understanding comics' by scott mccloud

This is really good. I'm jelly desu.

OP I'm sure that if you keep making these for a year your progress will be incredible.

>>5165836
>I can’t tell if the praise itt is some hugbox shit, ironic shitposting, or the comic autists are so deep into the theory of sequential art that they see this good for some underlying mechanic while being unable to recognize it looks like shit to someone whose only interest in comics is reading them

These are the same anons who will shit on any legitimate professional who get's posted here. It's part of 4chan's contrarian culture. Literal garbage is propped up for being "different", "soullful" etc., anything that's actually good and generally well received by most is considered trash and "soulless".

Op, I don't even know where to begin. Don't listen to the retards in this thread they'll just stunt your growth. Words of encouragement are fine, but telling a literal beg he's good is actually detrimental and arguably malicious. You clearly have zero grasp of form, anatomy, perspective, depth, color, lighting, shading, line weight, etc. It's obvious you aren't referencing. You basically aren't putting in any real effort whatsoever and wondering why it "feels off".

The story is about what I'd expect from a beg writer as well, ultra generic western hero fighting ultra generic western bandits. This is the kind of shit a 12 year old would come up with unironically.

You want advice, just throw this into the trash altogether, learn the fucking basics of art, of writing, of making comics, before you even begin to try something on this scale.

Guys you've reached the level of contrarianism where you are unironically sounding like modern art critics who attempt to ascribe meaning and value to literal splotches of paint on a canvas.

>>5177945
kek based common sense poster what the fuck is going on itt

>>5177973
>kek based common sense poster what the fuck is going on itt

This is what crabs will sometimes do. They heap on false praise to a beg seeking to improve to try and ensure they never get better so they stay in the bucket with the rest of them.

>>5177945
Maybe you're young. Maybe you're a faggot. Either way, you just don't get it. You don't have your finger on the pulse of the zeitgeist. You can't understand how a classic tale about a simple cowboy made by an autist in MS paint would have more appeal than an expectation-subverting, highly-rendered corporate product.

"All bad poetry is sincere"

>>5177945
>Words of encouragement are fine, but telling a literal beg he's good is actually detrimental and arguably malicious.
Most of the replies have been telling anon how to get better, though.

>You want advice, just throw this into the trash altogether, learn the fucking basics of art, of writing, of making comics, before you even begin to try something on this scale.
He needs to be hitting the books AND practicing on the side.

Technically it's quite shit obviously, but for some reason I really like the layout and pace.

>>5177992
>Maybe you're young. Maybe you're a faggot. Either way, you just don't get it. You don't have your finger on the pulse of the zeitgeist. You can't understand how a classic tale about a simple cowboy made by an autist in MS paint would have more appeal than an expectation-subverting, highly-rendered corporate product.
>"All bad poetry is sincere"

See


>>5177960

You've reached the level of contrarianism where you are unironically sounding like modern art critics who attempt to ascribe meaning and value to literal splotches of paint on a canvas.

I would rather read OP's comic than something that looks like this.

>>5178010
>I would rather read OP's comic than something that looks like this.


AGAIN

>>5177960

>You've reached the level of contrarianism where you are unironically sounding like modern art critics who attempt to ascribe meaning and value to literal splotches of paint on a canvas.

>>5178019
Stop quoting yourself, faggot.

Why does it make you seethe so much that people like the comic? Maybe instead of seething that your own stuff isn't as well received, you should take notes from OP.

>>5177638
This is really good

>>5178008
>>5178019
>>5177977
>>5177973
>>5177960
>>5177945
Aww what's wrong little beglet? are you having a fit because your anime booba tweet didn't get 6 million likes?

I'll explain to you why OP's work is appealing: he doesn't know how to draw, he doesn't know how to write a story either, he doesn't know the ins and outs of his art program of choice, he probably barely knows how to turn on his computer, but he's LEARNING and he's having FUN, something YOU have probably never experienced because you don't enjoy drawing and probably forced yourself to learn it so you had something to do and distract yourself from the voices inside your head

OP is quite literally pouring his SOUL into his works, he doesn't know anything but he's getting around this limitation by simply drawing and learning as he goes, and that's more than you'll ever achieve: give him a year; no, give him a MONTH, and in that littlw time frame he'll have improved more than you in your entire art career
why?
because he was having fun

"A passionate dumbass is worth a million times more than a lazy genius"

>>5178032
yeah that was pretty dope

OP should finish this completely and then go back and put it through that kind of refinement. keep what works, throw out what doesn't, and so on

then do a third pass, a fourth, fifth, however many it takes

third pass could be improving the mood with colors

fourth could be using references to improve the silhouettes and textures of things

fifth is cleaning up the line work and preparing it for final coloring

and so on.

something similar, and not necessarily exact

>>5177945
Literally nobody in this thread has said that anything about my comic is good beyond that it has heart. I don't think anyone here, including myself, would deny that in pretty much every technical aspect my comic is utter poo, which is why I'm here in the first place.

>>5178035
>he doesn't know how to draw, he doesn't know how to write a story either, he doesn't know the ins and outs of his art program of choice, he probably barely knows how to turn on his computer, but he's LEARNING and he's having FUN

I appreciate that anon :)

>>5178035
>"A passionate dumbass is worth a million times more than a lazy genius"
>a hundred houses that don’t stay up are worth more than a single well built house
>hurr durr btw

>>5164673
I couldn't tell if it was the first cowboy reaching for his gun in the second to last panel. And the cowboy throws the rock left which fucks with perception since it reads left to right.

>>5177638
This makes sense

>>5165830
I came here just to post that lmfao

>>5176616
Your drawing is unironically getting better with each page. Be proud of yourself anon, this is gold

>>5178160
>tfw this is the Judge's backstory

>>5178104
>we'll begin by blocking things out in 3D software
>we've run out of money
>publish what we have

>>5178035
Based.

>>5178160
Beautiful

>>5164679
>Your panels are the same boxes. Make them different sizes and shapes.
thats not what is wrong here

>>5177945
>learn the fucking basics of art, of writing, of making comics, before you even begin to try something on this scale.
This is how you end up in the trap of never doing your own projects fucking ever because you're just waiting on this magical point where you're "good enough" without actually having a measurable goal of what or when that is.

I need to escape this trap too

>>5164679
No, that's not a bad thing if the page calls for it. Watchmen is the exact same 9 panels per page throughout most of its entirety. Any exceptions to this are intentionally used to display a different rate of time-passing.

>>5178856
This is actually what happened to me for ages. Whenever I would try to write all I could think was "this is crap. Who's gonna wanna even read past the first page?" It wasn't until recently when I thought "fuck it, I'm just gonna do something for fun" that I've actually started being productive, and although I have a long way to go, people are even enjoying what I'm making as shown in this very thread.

>>5177945
Agreed except don't stop making projects like this. Go away and learn the fundies, but also don't make learning fundies the only thing you ever do, otherwise you'll get burnt out to a crisp.

>>5178035
Holy based

>>5178035
pyw

>>5178922
Okay good so you already have the right mindset then. Keep it up

>>5177638
1+. good critique

>>5177638
SOUL vs SOULLESS

>>5178922
Most wholesome post I've read all week. And this is legitimately the way to do it. The fastest I've ever seen people learn is when they hit that sweet spot of being aware that they need to improve, but not self-conscious over their flaws to the point that it stops them from having fun.

Godspeed, bro.

>>5169510
Those 3 middle panels can be condensed into one.
>>5169515
Read Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics, and Making Comics - books, your stuff is interesting, it just needs that little insider knowledge for what works and what doesn't

>>5173945
Hahahahah
>"You see a guy taking a 4000 dollar credit for a furry commission and you think that of me? No, Skyler. I am not the one in debt. I am the artist. I am the one who draws the cocks!"

>>5178922
Very inspiring stuff Anon. No matter how much people trash your art, if you put your heart into it then you'll always have fans.

>western without any wide angle scenes
u dun fucked up pardner

>>5177638

only addendum i would add is that you could switch the bottom left two panels to show some anticipation in the cowboy's action.

Honestly though liking the comic itself, would just say to get facial placement a bit more consistent and then just keep on naturally improving.

OP is gmi

>>5164673
grind your fundies and try to observe western comics's paneling

keep going cowboy, i love this guys face

>>5179247
Will do
>>5179262
Yeah it's like if Hank Hill and Clint Eastwood had a baby lol

There's something about this comic that makes it captivating to read, looking forward to more OP.

>>5178035
The problem is that he had fun with a graphics tablet, while he should be having fun with a pencil

>>5178035
Holy cope

Cant wait to read more OP!

Did you give the cowboy lad a cloak so you don't need to draw legs?

you have the ideas, the rhythm, and storytelling down. those are actually the hardest parts. all you need is technical drawing skill and polish to make it work. i recommend focusing on learning anatomy, drapery, and to study deserts to help with your backgrounds. i imagine the story will lead to other settings, so you’ll essentially need to study western settings. deserts, towns, mountains, things like that. look at how other artists simplify those settings, too. you’re gmi, just keep at it.

>>5164673
Hey op I really like this. I like the simplicity.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone! Here's page 7. (I haven't setup a webtoons because evidently you need to post an issue to make a series, and I haven't finished an issue yet. Anyways, in case this thread doesn't make it, I'll be sure to post the final thing in this board when it's done.)

>>5180919
ok, constructive critique

why is her ear in the first panel just a lump of flesh
what is this hand abomination
what the fuck is up with her left arm, it starts somewhere behind her back

Allthe noses: Why do they S N I F F all the time, besides on the upper right and the middle left panel

midle right panel, what the fuck is up with his legs
how are they supposed to be

wheel construction is nice, you sem go be okay with drawing 3d objects

generally: Your figures are utter dogshit if I'm being generous. What the fuck is up with the main chars eyes.

You do symbol drawing in the worst of possible ways. middle left panel, what is with her arms? is she a cripple now?

If you would learn construction - even just embrace the loomis meme - the drawings would improve so much. the cart and even the horses look ok, i hope you didn't trace this over some 3D model. You can think 3D, but you don't take the time to learn the figures in 3D. Do it and your art will improve so much. It infiurates me to see that you just throw that away.

>>5181063
not only construction/loomis, you also need to copy references as studies to get a feeling for how humans look. your humans look like humans an alien drew after someone described them to them.

>>5180919
I like the
>I love you too!
bleeding over into the next page
you clearly internalized the advice given here >>5177638

I'm not going to rag on you for the simplistic art, but the first page is hard to follow. No context on the environment or any way to establish these characters in space. They could be on different planets for all I can tell. If it wasn't a cliche scene, I'd really have no way to know that the black hat cowboy is trying to sneak up on the bad guy.

Even one establishing shot showing the two characters together would do wonders for that first page.

Someone's probably already suggested it, but pick up Understanding Comics and read it.

>>5164735
Lettering is cramped, you should really use the text tool in your drawing program.

>>5180919
Be wary of your pacing. IMO the middle row of panels could all be condensed into one. You don't need to cut back and forth to closeups like a TV show, and stretching dialogue out over several panels usually feels slow unless there's some gravity behind it.

Keep going if you're having fun. Refining your drawing is important, but storytelling is a whole other skill.

>>5181063
>the cart and even the horses look ok, i hope you didn't trace this over some 3D model
you said it yourself, he doesn't have any construction abilities
the cart was 100% traced, there's no way it wasn't
but it doesn't matter right now
he can come back to that when he finishes
you ARE going to take your best ideas and revamp this, OP?
right? RIGHT?!
:)

and the
>hyah!
seems to have come from here >>5164687 on #4

most people on /ic/ post their work, get defensive, and ragequit. kudos for keeping this going

>>5164715
Drop the “i missed him” bubble. His surprise gets conveyed well enough through his eye. Good job on that!

>>5181063
>why is her ear in the first panel just a lump of flesh
I just didn't bother to draw it for some reason, I've fixed it now though.
>what is this hand abomination
>what the fuck is up with her left arm, it starts somewhere behind her back
fair

>Allthenoses:
So awhile back I decided "I want to try and aim for realism with my art" and this manifested in me trying to draw nostrils since you can always see them in real life. What you witness before you is my failed attempt at realism.

>what the fuck is up with his legs
It's an awkward angle with the cape but it actually kind of does make sense if you were to see an x-ray view

>What the fuck is up with the main chars eyes.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I mean I know it's bad, but I'm not sure what specifically you're referring to.

>i hope you didn't trace this over some 3D model.
The horses are indeed drawn by me, but I must come clean: I made the wagon in Blender. Even the lines were generated by Blender.

Good feedback. I'll try to get better at construction.

>>5181088
Good feedback, thanks.

>>5181091
I'm gonna refine my schedule after the first issue so I can do form/anatomy studies and work on the comic in tandem. As of right now though, I'm just trying to get through the first issue as fast as possible so I can beat my deadline.

>>5181151
how long have you been drawing ic mode?

>>5181151
For what it's worth, I highly commend you for using 3D software to see your vision come to life. There is NO shame in referencing, tracing, photobashing, etc. Only crabs will tell you otherwise.

At some point, HOWEVER, you need to actually imbue the work with your own style. That's not to say you haven't already done this. I just mean in the general sense, one should strive for their own style/character/vibe, to advance art as a serious endeavor and not be purely derivative.

>>5181168
"ic mode"?
>>5181177
Thanks. I'm a bit confused though on that last bit:
>you need to actually imbue the work with your own style. That's not to say you haven't already done this.
So I have or I haven't?

>>5181183
yeah like a serious dedicated effort, how long im curious

>>5164673
I love to think that the authot of this is an actual cowboy.

>>5177638
you made it less iconic.

>>5180919

Why won't you just use references at least, anon? Are you averse to it?

>>5164673
It reminds me of Nick Drnaso. It's cool, but I want it to become something strange and creepy (and artsy).

>>5181183
>So I have or I haven't?
Well, I left it ambiguous. It's hard to say at this point, and it wouldn't affect my opinion. I think you've done great so far. Currently, it's probably too plain to warrant a response like "oh that's definitely westernOPanon"

>>5181186
Most of my life, but that's been mainly focused on stylization. Only somewhat recently have I been trying to do more realistic stuff and there's been some growing pains.

>>5181196
I do use some references.

>>5181212
Ah, okay. Thanks!

>>5180919
good! notably better than when you started, if you merge all in the middle to the same dialog and only 1 panel with the dude going up the wheeled thingy and the parents looking at him it would be perfect.
the artstyle is a different story, but dont think its bad, there just go wherever you think you should go

>>5181353
Thanks.

Page 8 done.

>>5181369
Uhh, can we expect some hot doga whoops or at least a bit of booba when they get to Mentville? I think your numbers mean it's time.

>>5181373
shoo the fuck off you literal serpent, don't corrupt this poor soul

>>5181454
It's almost like you've never read any comics except capeshit.

>>5164715
The eye speech bubble got me.

>>5181369

anon if you're going to compose the panels in a way that puts such focus on the background, you should actually put some fucking effort into them. Anything you frame in a way as to draw attention to it should not only have the most detail but should look the most visually appealing. You've done the most painfully low-effort backgrounds and drew the viewers attention to them as if to show off some grand, amazing scenery when said lack of detail and effort only puts emphasis on this problem.

>>5181257
>I do use some references.

>some references

Either that's a lie or you're using them so badly as to make it pointless altogether. It's one thing, anon, to be a beg and use that as an excuse for incompetent execution, but it's a whole 'nother case to just not be putting any actual effort into your art. You could beyond any doubt do better than this, anon, you're not trying though. You're rushing these out without even attempting to make sure they're solid on a technical level. It's as if EVERYTHING you draw is from your imagination, but you've done virtually zero actual life studies and thus have no visual library, so you resort to drawing things as you think they should look rather than how they ACTUALLY should look.

There's no excuse for this, man. I get you don't want studies to stop you from drawing what you want right now but you need to understand where your current skill and knowledge level is and use the crutches you so obviously need for your art.

>>5181558
Yeah fair point
>>5181567
>You're rushing these out without even attempting to make sure they're solid on a technical level.
Kind of. I have been rushing it, but I'll also hold that I have been putting at least some effort into this. I actually storyboarded this entire issue before I had even started this thread. If I really didn't care at all, I could've stopped there. Like I said, though:
>>5181151
>I'm gonna refine my schedule after the first issue so I can do form/anatomy studies and work on the comic in tandem. As of right now though, I'm just trying to get through the first issue as fast as possible so I can beat my deadline.

>>5179068
true. original anons panels have emotion
the other one has disney levels of uniformity and mundanity.

>>5164673
You are doing more than 70% of the people on this board. Keep going. Gmi

>>5177638
This is bad

>>5182221
Translation:
>you are doing more than me but i’ll just project my unproductivity
on the board with a random statistic

>>5181369
since you seem open to critiques:

it feels like they're going in circles (maybe they are on the next page?)

the terrain should change so it's obvious time has changed, distance has been traveled, and so on

have it change from like desert to rocks to maybe a cliff with some small bushes, maybe even a stream appears, or hell, they walk right to a tree line

>>5178922
>This is actually what happened to me for ages.
You obviously didn't have the brains to actually learn anatomy, perspective and coloring if you where "stuck" in that stage for "ages".

>>5181369
>patch 0.8
>introduced Shadows (experimental feature, expect bugs)

>>5183278
Failing that, the shadows and sky conditions changing could also illustrate time passage. Growing Long in the evening, tiny wispy desert clouds being in one panel and not the next, color of the sky changes a bit from morning/noon/night. The shadows on the terrain are so fuckin all over the place, and the sky so deathly consistent, that there's no way of getting any kind of information from it as it stands.

>5183690
I am neither going to give you a (you), nor ask you to post your work. I am just going to ask you to go outside, because you seek conflict and spread your poison for no reason. This is not feedback, neither is it useful; it's just poison. You're supposed to internalize it and default it, not spread it.

>>5181369
I'd say, keep the shadows in line with everything else, i.e. solid colors. This airbrush thing sucks the soul out of your thing. Look at page 3 - it's clear the bandit was in the shadows without the use of it

>>5183749
Hmm... you have a point. Noted.

>>5183791
Glad I could help. Don't ignore other's feedback though, like:
>if you're putting emphasis on the background, make it interesting/varied
and
>passage of time
Godspeed, my dude. Don't get discouraged, don't get burnt out. Maybe start another comic in the meantime, not cowboy, something entirely different, and so when you feel burnt by I'm Cowboy, you can have fun in the sideproject. I also recommend a "ctrl+paint" youtube channel; very concise tips

>>5183803
Don't worry, I'm taking note of those as well. I watched a few ctrl+paint videos recently, good stuff.

>>5183836
What software are you using to draw?

>>5183844
Krita. I've heard medibang paint is better, though. I'll wrap up this issue and then do some experimentation.

>>5183936
Give Paint tool sai a try too

>>5183936
Photoshop is also pretty good, and the torrent is always easy to find

>>5183936
CSP when it’s on sale is worth it for the resources if you’re looking to make comics

>>5164715
anon i think you should add shading to the comic. It would add a lot of depth and richness to the drawings

>>5164673
>frantically check /ic/
>face when there's no page 9
WHERE'S PAGE 9 OP?

>>5164673
WHERE IS IT I WANNA KNOW

>>5165836
What's the point of repeating that it's bad? We know it's bad. OP asked how to improve it, and anons are talking about how to improve it
Take stick out of arse por favor

>>5178052
>architecture analogy

>>5178922
Blessed. Inspirational, even.

OP before you go leave a link or promise you'll be back.
I need to know if the kid makes it and what happens to the cowboy

>>5180919
That wagon looks geometrically perfect. Did you trace it? Don't trace. Use references, but don't trace 1 for 1. Did you use line tool?

>>5187432
Oh you MADE the wagon
Holy fucking renaissance man

>>5181369
I am dying over here
this is hilarious

>>5187344
>No humanity

>>5187288
Here you go anon

>>5187651
and here's page 10

>>5172977
The face in the first panel is pure soul.

>>5176616
Cowboy looks like bird guy from superjail.

>>5177638
Soul Stripper 2000tm

>>5180919
Last 3 panels are preem.

>>5187936
alright I got the memo

>>5165576
Good points but One's shit is not great LOL
Kaiji is a way better example

This is the best manga I've read in years

>>5187652
oh shit, how is he going to fight a 3v1?

>>5187652
oh wait is our protagonist a deserter? Are those coats union troops?

>>5164673
reminds me of this

>>5177638
Holy fuck how can l learn what you know?

>>5164673
You broke the 180 rule

>>5179262
Stop tracing

>>5190120
Fuck I thought about blood meridian too reading ops comic. There’s like an unsettling /beg/ ness to it that fits that atmosphere

>>5190351
This is probably the second time I've heard of that book, I should check it out sometime.

>>5169510
I think your art is pretty bland and needs something to stando out but the storytelling isn't bad. There's also something about these comics that inspires me to make mine.
Just the fact that you started your cominc puts you in a better position than most people. I think what you need to work on is something that gives your art more appeal, it's too simple, it works but it's just enough to tell the story. If you just want to tell the story it will be enough but I think you should find something to add to make it more expressive. This would probably work better if it was hand drawn and inked so it would look more "grungy" and less clean

>>5164673
>>5164715
>>5164735
>>5169426
>>5172977
>>5177638
>>5180919
>>5181369
>>5187651
>>5187652


I do dislike how OP hasn't taken any of the criticism and advice and applied it to his art. Generally speaking when you post a thread asking for advice and you actually PYW we like to see you take that advice visibly in your future posts. It just kinda feels like your hearing us, but you aren't actually listening. You're still symbol drawing, for example, and your characters look traced from 3d models. There's no gesture to your forms. You're still incapable of drawing a person. If you're referencing like you say (tracing doesn't count as referencing) than you aren't showing it very well.

Looks like you really care about this idea though so I don't wanna discourage you from keeping going but if you just keep doing what your doing well then you can post 500 more pages and I guarantee they'll look exactly the same. Sit down, actually LISTEN to the advice you're being given here and try and apply it to your work. If you don't actually want improve fine.

I have to ask, are you drawing because you actually are passionate about making art, or are you only drawing because you want to illustrate your story? I ask because maybe art just isn't your thing and you should try just writing and hiring an artist to draw your story for you.

>>5191142
He had the drawings done before he posted you braindead moron.
>>5188163
Lol it was a great post anon, don't take soul posts seriously.

>>5192252
based

>>5192252
this was all a ruse to get this reaction pic, wasn't it?

>>5192252
I consider this canon

>>5187651
based bitchy kid, extremely authentic whiny little bitch

Is OP George Lucas with this writing? Because i'm loving this.

>>5187652
page 11

>>5192788
Fuck yeah

>>5177638
This is a great critique, awesome job

I love this thread so much

>>5187652
good guy expression in panel 6 is quite good. He's a little bit of a generic lump head in most of your drawings. I like the closeup in the eyes on panel 2, that's some nice creative storytelling.

>>5192788
I get what you're going for, but panel 1 and 2 should maybe be combined into one viewpoint. This isn't a film. It could be a big, dynamic single panel with the big spinning wagon wheel in the foreground and the good guy above that in the driver's seat.

Glad you're sticking with it. Anons will give you shit about the simple line art but remember that Dilbert was a huge media property based on glorified stick figures.

Consider watching some John Ford films to steal some ideas for backgrounds and iconography. What consistently bugs me about your panels is these blank beige landscapes--the wild west is a big, open wilderness with deserts, mesas, mountains, forests, rivers--a lot of what you're drawing makes it look like the good guy cowboy is riding in circles in a gravel pit.

>>5192788
oh shiet, things going crazy here
>>5193060
but what if he made it into a movie in the style of El Mariachi (1992) ?

>>5164715
You broke the 180 degree rule. That breaks the smoothness

Glad to see this thread still alive

>>5164673
There's no texture with the dirt or the gun. Get pictures of deserts in real life to see how you can create a sense of vast desert and add texture. Color is flat. You want at least 3 shading laters. It's ok to be flat sometimes if it is obviously a artistic choice. Like all black shading to establish mood. You need highlight, mid color, shading. The anatomy is off with your human in the black hat. Bald guy has great dynamic angle on the bottom left but his body type isn't consistent and goes from thin shoulders in the first panel, to wider shoulders.

I'm also working on a comic and I highly recommend downloading a app called 3d tool pro. It will let you arrange a posable figure into the body language and pose you imagine in your head. You still have to change the face to match your guys facial features but it gives you a guide to stay in the range of a anatomically correct face. It has different body types too so every body wont look the same and you'll have to make the figure shorter or taller with photo shop when using it as a refrence so every man isn't the same height. Take a screenshot of the pose, angle and lighting you like, put it as a layer in what ever drawing program you use, then draw line work over top with confident strokes that look natutal not traced.

Use the landscape in the program to to establish where the horizon is in your drawing to keep it consistent with the angle of your figure. So for example they don't look like they are floating or tilted the wrong angle.

>>5192788
that wagon bothers me....

>>5164673
check out wally wood's shattuck series

>>5191233
no, he didn’t, he said as much, retard

>>5192788
Have you made that webtoon yet? Or other socials?

>>5194746
That’s kinda retarded lol

>>5195181
Sounds like you are

>>5195181
>t. quickshot

There's a lot to improve but I think the most important things would be composition and paneling. The wonky art is fine especially if the story is good but wonky composition and paneling can make the act of reading a pain.

Still waiting on that webtoons link, anon

>>5195149
>>5195310
see >>5180919

also, nice artwork

>>5195285
>The wonky art is fine

No.

I enojyed the omic
>>5164673
I enojyed the comic , the horses look hilarious i expect u to name ths masterpiece "IS THERE PAY ? "

>>5164673
Enjoyed your comic . The horses look hilarious and i expect you to call it " IS THERE PAY ."

>>5196352
Ops forgot the ?

>>5164673
where's page 12 op. IS THERE PAY?

>>5199054
I'm workin on it

>>5164673
Stop making shit up and learn from a book or a teacher you're too retarded to figure this out on your own.

>>5199054
Okay here's 12

>>5191233
>He had the drawings done before he posted you braindead moron.

Wrong, he's said he's making them as the thread goes before, even now:

>>5199054
>where's page 12 op. IS THERE PAY?

>>5199963
>I'm workin on it


>>5201561

Honestly, this is getting worse. You're really rushing these out and still aren't referencing, yet continue to trace 3d models. People have given you loads of advice and 12 pages in there's still no sign of any of it being taken. I'm starting to get the impression you came here to show off your comic and not actually get advice. At least that furry alien comic anon from some weeks ago actually listened to people criticizing his deviantart-tier work and showed evidence he was taking advice and attempting correct. Improvement takes time, I get it, but there are immediate things you could do to improve your comic already. You've been asked repeatedly why you don't use references and you just keep handwaving this. Your work comes accross as something made without any real care or effort was put into it. As it stands, I can't imagine seeing this improve even 1000 pages down the line because you aren't making any actual effort to improve and anyone who gives you advice you just ignore or go "yeah yeah, you're right" and then do nothing with said advice.

>>5201789
But anon his style has good reaction faces. You can't just selfishly take them away from us.

>>5201789
>I'm starting to get the impression you came here to show off your comic and not actually get advice.

Anon the reason I keep posting these is because you guys keep asking me for them, I wasn't originally planning to

>>5202111
were you planning to ignore every single issue in the art you came here to get advice about, retard?

>>5202115
see >>5181619
I'm taking note of everything you guys are saying, I'm just not implementing all of it yet due to time constraints.

>>5201789
>bang bang I'm bouta smoke some niggas.

>>5202146
what constraints, retard
you’re making a shitty comic no one will read on your own time
you are literally wasting time you could use to actually improve

>>5164673
Fuck the haters , awesome comic. We want moar !

>>5181369
use hard shadows on the mountains if you don't want them to be made out of marshmallow

>>5202589 Just cause it's on my own time doesn't mean I can't have a deadline

>>5202787
Thanks anon

>>5202790
Noted

>>5203118
that’s what I’m saying, retard
you gain nothing by making this halfassedly and without thought or effort, the only thing you’re accomplishing is wasting your own time by shitting this out instead of trying to improve with every page
you’re a fucking retard

>>5203122
what I gain is that I'm having fun, anon

>>5203194
>knows his art is shit
>makes thread asking what makes his art shit
>does nothing to make his art not shit
>n-no it’s fun, I am having fun tracing and posting shitty art so losers on the internet can feel better about their art by ironically reading my shitty comic and making shitty reactions images to laugh at
ok, retard
have fun being the flavour of the week board idiot until the next one comes along and everyone moves on

inb4 OP applies all the advice he's been given for page 13 and whips out a masterpiece

>>5203230
I really can't imagine what's so massively offensive about a goofy cowboy comic to you spergs, but you could be improving right now if you weren't wasting all of this energy.

>>5203230
As I said, I intend to apply the advice being given, just not quite yet.

>>5203257
>"I intend to apply the advice being given, just not quite yet."

If you ignore the screeching autists and stick to doing this, you'll be golden. You should certainly make as much of an effort as you can in the current comic, but retooling everything mid-project is almost never a good idea. So long as you treat this as a learning experience and take the support and critiques both to heart on your next one, that's a great way to learn.

I hope you'll keep it up, man. A lot of people are rooting for you. You've got the drive, and if you study up and practice to get the skills to go along with it you could be a proper webcomics chad in a year.

Godspeed and don't forget to give us a blog or something to follow when this is all done, amigo.

>>5203268
>retooling everything mid-project is almost never a good idea.

A moment of silence for the thief and the cobbler.

Thanks, though, I appreciate the kind words!

>>5164673
>>5164715
>>5164735
>>5169426
>>5169510
>>5172977 checkd
>>5176616
>>5187651
>>5187652
>>5192252
>>5201561
>>5201789
good shit op
keep studying the Fundementals
i definitely got a Blood Meridian vibe from this
>>5177638
great advice

heres an unfinished comic im working on

>>5203366

>>5203366
Thanks, anon. I like your comic! Way better than mine, lol

>>5176616

>A COWBOY

keep going OP i fucking love this

>>5202111
>Anon the reason I keep posting these is because you guys keep asking me for them, I wasn't originally planning to

No crabs who love your art because it's so bad that they don't feel threatened by it are encouraging you to keep working on it and ignore criticism because they want you to forever remain a beg so they feel better about themselves. Personally I'd be far more interested in seeing you post studies than this comic, and I'm sure others would too. Then we could (hopefully) see you start to improve.

>>5179068
Unironically true
>>5177638
If you tried it might have been a bit better desu

>>5203257
>As I said, I intend to apply the advice being given, just not quite yet.

Why not? You said you have a deadline, for what? Is someone paying you for this? Surely not. So why the rush? Why not start studying right now? It's because you don't want to actually improve. You have the attitude of a forever-/beg/, anon. There's no excuse for not starting right now. If you don't want to improve than why are you even on a board for ARTWORK CRITIQUE?

>>5203268
>You should certainly make as much of an effort as you can in the current comic, but retooling everything mid-project is almost never a good idea

What the fuck are you talking about? Loads of comic artists have started their comic off with terrible art then gradually improved over the course of the series and only GAINED popularity as their art got better. His art is grade-school level right now, even if he was getting paid for it (he's not), suggesting he just stay at his current (bad) skill level just for the sake of fucking consistency is absurd. Fuck off, you fucking crab.

>I intend to implement your advice
>I just can’t do it because of time constraints
???
Literally just apply the advice as you draw a page, what kind of a retarded excuse is that? I f you don’t, all of this will be a waste of effort for everyone who took the time to try and help you. There is 0 (zero) chance of you successfully implementing all that at some random point in the future, work on it right now or forget about it.

>>5203622

This, I suggested start using references, but apparently because "'""""time constraints"""""" he can't google some photo refs that would help improve his forms and poses and would rather just draw from his imagination despite demonstrably having zero visual library to draw from.

Op, why don't you post some studies your working on instead of this comic? If you know you haven't actually improved yet why not start showing studies your working on in the meantime? Some evidence you're actually listening to us and working to get better.

>>5203637
he doesn’t have to drop the comic and study, just do the bare minimum and actually use his brain while drawing the comic, there’s a shitload of room for improvement, it doesn’t even take dedicated study to capitalize on it

>>5203603
Literally nobody has said that the art is unironically good. Any praise this work gets is on the merits of it's story-telling or so-bad-it's-good quality, but nobody has said "No, anon, it's world class the way it is! No need to worry!"

>>5203610
Because my birthday is coming up and I wanna finish the first issue before I turn x years old

>>5203637
okay fine here's A study

>>5203716
>merits of it's story-telling

What story? I have no idea where this is supposed to be going. All you have right now is a generic western setting, but "Western" isn't a story. It's a setting, you can tell so many different types of stories set in the wild west. It could be an action plot, or it could be a drama, or a murder-mystery, or about a zombie outbreak, etc. There's so much you can actually DO with this setting but it seems that your entire imagintation for it began and ended at "western".

>>5203617
>"suggesting he just stay at his current (bad) skill level"
>>5203268
"You should certainly make as much of an effort as you can in the current comic..."

Calm down and read, friend. I don't know why you're so personally offended by the cowboy, but he's got the spirit to make it. This is a 12-page western cartoon made in the span of 2 weeks. He can finish it soon and make chapter two -or whatever else he does next- better. I've seen far more people get good by finishing projects, learning from them, then moving on and implementing what they learn in the next one, than endlessly stalling out on polishing and editing.

Momentum matters. Finishing drawings keeps you rolling and motivated for the next one. That's way more valuable than getting it right first try. Would it kill him to put more effort into page 13? Of course not, and I'd encourage it. But everyone here, including OP, knows he has a daunting amount of learning ahead of him. He's not going to accomplish it all in a day, and maybe that's exactly why he wants to get this one done and out of the way? Keeping going will get him there faster than dropping what he's doing to do portrait studies for a month.

>"Fuck off, you fucking crab."
Positivity is legitimately the key to escaping the bucket, lad. I'm doing just fine. I hope everyone else here is too.

>>5203752
I think I heard a quote recently. I forget exactly how it went, but it was something along the lines of "life feels like a series of random events while it's happening, but when you look back you realize each one was necessary and played an important role in getting you where you are now."

You're a little over half-way through the first issue of a multi-issue series. Just bear with me. You might not know where the story is going, or what the point of all this is but I do.

>>5203366
holy shit I fucking love it!!!

>>5203366
dude I fucking love your artwork, I can tell you have military experience from the 3rd panel. Just the way the guy holds the ak. I love your style, keep that shit up!

>>5203425
>>5204403
>>5205411

I (NOT OP) MADE A NEW COMIC THREAD

>>5205584
>>5205584
>>5205584

>>5205614
in the event that this thread kicks it I'll post my pages in this anon's thread instead

>>5205714

we're page 10 with the bump limit reached mate, do it to it

>>5164673
>>5164706
>>5173371
AMATERASU!