/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5152890
>Take your time, you can do it.
Are you sure about that? 5 months should have been enough.

>he's donned a trip
finally i can fucking filter him

>>5152890
Any general advice for drawing a woman’s face? It seems that I either make them look too masculine or not feminine at all. Sometimes it won’t even look like the reference

>>5152903
Something that's worse than this got praised but no one helps me at all, larping pros and all that. fuck them

>>5152907
You mentioned me in another thread as doing “right” what you tried to do so I’ll give some advice. Look at this advice from an anon that critiqued one of my pen and ink sketches. Your lines are all over the place and not going one direction and it makes the picture. Take the advice in the picture

>>5152907
I'm bipolar too and I act nothing like you and I've made a ton of progress in just a month and a half. You are your own worst enemy and the worst part is people like me that give you actual advice like this just fuel your attention seeking and you don't even actually listen

>>5152927
He meant parallel and not perpendicular in case that wasn’t obvious. Here’s my take. It isn’t perfect but notice how I tried keeping my lines clean as well as in one direction. This is super important for starting out and from there you can try darkening your values

How do I get better at eyeballing proportions?

Failed at this again
>>5152930
You seem to misunderstand something, I don't give a shit about you people beyond comparing our efforts, that's where you begin and that's where you end, to me you're not even alive so why would I want your attention. What the fuck do you think I am? Human?
>>5152927
>>5152931
I read that post, yeah, good attempt too although I don't get why that anon would praise yours and shit on mine

>>5152904
women have thinner skulls around the jaw, a different cheekbone shape and almost no brow ridge. Their noses are less pointy than ours and they usually hide their wrinkles with makeup, so their faces will appear smooth unless they're 40 or screaming.

>>5152939
>What the fuck do you think I am?
Hopeless and attention starved

>>5152939
Well Anon you were acting incredibly aggressive when nobody said anything. I just posted mine and got a “good job”. I’m working on another hand at the moment as well

>>5152940
Thank you! I’ll take this into consideration

t.newfag
> exercises
Was trying to twist the one 'soap bar' 180 degrees.
I liked my can top though

>>5152890
i think i'm getting the hang of inking.
it's actually fun

>>5152957
HOW

>>5152957
isnt there suppose to be pen pressure?

>>5152945
I don't need your pity.
>>5152944
>Well Anon you were acting incredibly aggressive when nobody said anything
I have my reason, the whole board tells me to quit, refuses to help me, constantly gives me things that don't work.
>>5152942
Save your tears

>>5152962
at least you're better than me

>>5152959
i'm just following this tutorial. it's just zooming in, then doing a brush stroke.
it's easy.
>>5152961
yes, but it only tapers at the very end of the strokes.

>>5152962
Well Anon you can’t get mad when that happens. Just keep posting and hoping for the best. I’ve had some pretty awful stuff said about my art and just take it like a champ and grow from it. People on here will be unhelpful and rude but you gotta keep trying

>>5152957
Nothing about the lines you're adding are cleaner or add more value than the underlying lines.

If you're going to "ink", you need to actually add something, which usually means line weight, hatching, and contour. Your lines are all a uniform weight and razor thin, and it looks like garbage.

>>5152979
>People on here will be unhelpful and rude but you gotta keep trying
Oh fuck off, this dude has been given pages of advice. He just keeps screaming "OMG IM A FAILURE WITH NO TALENT YOU ALL HATE ME" like a faggot.

Stop pitying him.

>>5152985
I meant in a more general sense people will be unhelpful/rude, not just with them

But yeah I know. I’ve seen them posting a lot and they’ve gotten good advice. Not sure what’s going on at this point

>>5152983
that's because the underlying lines is just a sketch with dirty lines. it's just that i cleaned it up to get the exact placement of the final lines.
it's easier to ink a clean sketch than a dirty one.

>>5152985
>Oh fuck off, this dude has been given pages of advice
Literal lies, nothing works.
https://youtu.be/2qAo9_LVT4k
>>5152990
>But yeah I know. I’ve seen them posting a lot and they’ve gotten good advice. Not sure what’s going on at this point
Nothing works, pure fucking scams.

how long

>>5152962
Grow a thicker skin. No one here owes you shit.

Also quit.

>>5152957

Your line weight is way too uniform. You could at least change the size of the brush if you aren't using pen pressure. Details inside the body should not have the same weight as outlines, and your intersections should start heavy and then taper off depending on the spatial relationship of the forms. Lines with equal weight at an intersection describe a flat shape. Something like the collar bone should be relatively subtle in contrast to something like the bottom of the tit hanging in front of the torso. The artist in your tutorial is doing this stuff but I think you aren't noticing it.

>>5152957
your lines are really flat and unappealing

>>5152994
And I'm telling you right now, you're wasting time and accomplishing nothing. Your underlying forms and anatomy aren't sound to begin with and you're not learning anything by caring about all this "clean sketch" stuff. Your lines are too thin to even matter, too uniform and flat to be interesting, and too monotonous and unsupporting to create the appearance of form, weight, and value.

Use your lines to define things, not just as a clean edge for your flat colors. And spend more time on learning anatomy and construction.

>>5152997
>Grow a thicker skin. No one here owes you shit.
Fuck off, human.
>quit
Why?

>>5152953
Twist a real sponge desu. I only vaguely know what that looks like and I think it's the same for most people. It looks kinda odd but I really couldn't tell you why

Last thread someone suggested if i use pen to use cross hatching to render this. but what if i want to use pencil? I'm not sure where to start..

i just wanted to be good at something /ic/

>>5153013
>And I'm telling you right now, you're wasting time and accomplishing nothing.
you're being too dramatic, my friend.
i'm just having fun doing a study.

>>5153023
>a study.
That word doesn't mean what you think it does

>>5153018

Use pencil if you want to. The only difference in the end as far as practice is concerned is whether you will be able to fix your mistakes easily.

>>5153025
well, it can mean whatever you want.
i'm just copying a coom drawing.

is it better than >>5143523 ?

>>5153033
>i'm just copying a coom drawing.
This is why giving advice and critique in a /beg/ thread will always be a waste of time. None of you people have any actual intention of learning anything.

It's like you're all just here because it's some big meme.

>>5153042
There is literally only one person with actual passion here...
but that doesn't count huh?

>>5153021
everyone is good at something

>>5153044
mental problems isn't passion

>>5152953
does this look better? you lose form in the middle so i tried putting a sphere (or maybe you could use a cylinder) where the twist was to help me visualize the form and have the twist wrap around the form.

>>5153055
/beg/ refuses to help me
Humans

>>5153035

In the sense that she has recovered from her unfortunate vehicular accident, yes. Hopefully all the scratches on her face go away too.

The jaw has gotten weirdly pointy, her shoulder is a wobbly line with no structure, the bangs are poorly designed, just too many random uniform spike shapes that don't really describe the form of the hair. The facial features are very two-dimensional, like stickers, which is maybe a stylistic choice, but probably not.

>>5153062
refusing to listen to vilpuu is already a sign you never made it

>>5153068
Vilppu is a hack, I'm going to masturbate to his death
I'll study Nico instead

>>5153068
Vilppu is a hack
I'll study Nico instead

>>5153060
ooh,
I like the idea of the sphere in there
ty

>>5153042
>"Your art looks like shit! Copy this style instead or quit right now!"
>"But I'm just having fun..."
>"WHY AREN'T YOU FOLLOWING MY ADVICE!?!?"
LOL

>>5153085
>In a thread specifically for beginners to post if they need help, critique, or direction
>"LOL I KNOW WHAT IM DOING ITS JUST FOR FUN LOL STOP TELLING ME HOW TO IMPROVE"

Why are you even here?

>>5153085
>get told youre studying incorrectly
>'but im having fun!'
you can have fun all you want but dont sit there and pretend youre learning anything useful with that terrible lineart

when do we get to draw

>>5153035
the week goes by quickly, eh?

>>5153066
well, I can't argue with that, thanks.

>>5153090
So telling people to give up and never try art again is advice now?
I don't think so.
>>5153094
Not the same guy, lol.

>>5153096
/beg/ is just for starting fights with what is clearly a schizo taking a break from doing meth and strangling the prostitutes in his basement, we don't really draw.

I've been reading some books for a few months while copying the pictures and I'm improving somewhat, I don't know if that counts.

>>5153106
>So telling people to give up and never try art again is advice now?
Quote me where I or anyone else said "give up and never try art". I want the post and the quoted text.

I'll wait.

>>5153111
very dynamic wrinkles and drapery, mein freund!

>>5153111
>I've been reading some books for a few months while copying the pictures and I'm improving somewhat, I don't know if that counts.
You need to stop copying and start understanding.

And so help me fucking god if you say "I'm just having fun".

>>5153111
I'm literally living rent free in your head lol

>>5153103
>the week goes by quickly, eh?
I don't get it, what it has to do with the tire marks on her face? is the joke that it healed in one week?

>>5153112

I was generalizing there, but: >>5152997
Most of the advice here is just 'copy this established style' without any explanation or examples.
Not really useful imo.

>>5153123
I agree with you but now they're going to call us one and the same

This general has gotten increasingly hostile in recent times
I don't know if it's an influx of bitter crabs or retards who can't follow instructions but I like it

>>5153116
No, I'm understanding how it works, I copy the images because I need to practice anyway.

>help me fucking god if you say "I'm just having fun".
Ahem...

"it's my style, crab, you just don't get it"

>>5153118
big pp boi

help me understand something since this might be important later on
what makes someone's lines "flat and unnapealing"? I wanna make sure I understand this concept

>>5153136
>what makes someone's lines "flat and unnapealing"?
Well, it simple.
If *****I***** don't like it then it's flat and unappealing.
If I liked it then it's good.

>>5153127
>This general has gotten increasingly hostile in recent times
>tfw the right module isn't even posting here
lol
I told you guys but you refused to help me

>>5153123
>Most of the advice here is just 'copy this established style' without any explanation or examples.
Jesus fucking christ, you people are like a living parody or something.

>>5153128
>No, I'm understanding how it works
I don't think so. The picture you posted shows me you can vaguely copy the outline of a picture and then fill in rough approximations of the shadows the original artist used, but it misses all sense of construction, proportion, and anatomy completely. You're not building anything, you're putting scratchy marks where they kinda-sorta appear on the reference photo. That's not practice, practice implies you're building and reinforcing good habits which you are not.

You'd learn infinitely more if you actually attempted to build the same proportions, forms, and values in the reference photo in a way that forces you to make conscious choices about every detail. Why are the proportions how they are? Why are the folds in the clothing this way? How does one shape cause the shape next to it?

Right now, I don't see any conscious, intentional decisions in your work, because I don't think you're making any. Which means you aren't practicing anything.

>>5153146
thats factually incorrect
what is wrong with you

>>5153136

Uniformity. It's part of why a lot of traced art looks terrible. Lines are descriptive and how you draw them tells the viewer how to interpret the space in the drawing. If your lines don't say anything relative to one another, they all say the same thing: flat.

Just find someone who does really dynamic lines and study the way they draw the lines and you'll understand.

Let's see you draw THIS!

Any better?

>>5153158

>>5153154
most of my practice and knowledge come from these videos so I wanna understand this concept a little more, got any pictured examples? might be of your own preference

>>5153151
>thats factually incorrect
Nope, still not going to argue in your favor with him/me, he hates it when people treat us like that

>>5153136
Linework is used to convey weight, depth, pressure, form, etc. There's a reason no one worth their salt just takes a .03 micron pen and traces over a drawing with a single, uniform line and then calls it good, because the line isn't conveying anything. It's not telling you anything about the forms it's defining, it's not adding anything to the picture.

Every line should tell you something about the picture, and the way you do that is line weight. Things need variation to be "interesting", that's what the term means in art. "Visual interest" means that there is different contrasting things, whether they be colors or values or textures or forms or shapes, for your eye to move between. When dealing with lineart, visual interest comes from levels of contrast. A single, straight line is not visually interesting. A line with different thickness across it's length is visually interesting.

That's what it means.

>>5153026
oh. ok, fuck it then. cool thanks anon. But how do you get that "painted" look with pencils? do you need blending tools or something?

>>5152962
That's not pity. I've been going on for several years, and I'm worse than you. I have worse lines. I can't render, can't do crosshatching. I think you should count your blessings. You just don't know what 'talentless' is.

>>5153158
wtf you didnt fix anything

>>5153163
I think I understand what you mean, looking at the hulk picture his shoulder lines take different sizes and several shapes, Spiderman's legs for example also have several lines composing them, can also easily tell depth and perspective from it
thanks anon I appreciate taking your time to explain this

>>5153175
FUCK you

>>5153161
See >>5153163

Notice how the thickness of the line tells you immediately about what it's defining. Soft, fine details get thin tapered lines that tell you how fragile or soft the form is. Thick, bold lines frame solid, strong forms. Imagine if this piece was just completely uniform thin, flat lines. Would it convey the same information? Would you be able to feel the forms in the same way?

Pedantic, excuse-making idiots get hung up on "style", and say like "Well I don't draw comic books so that's not my style", but they don't understand the underlying point. Lines are only useful if they're being made use of. If you're using flat, mono-thickness lines through your whole piece, then your lines aren't accomplishing anything and they might as well not be there at all because they add no substance. Even anime artists understand the principals of line weight and using it to define forms, even if they generally do it in much more subtle ways.

>>5153161
Pay attention to >>5153163
>>5153183 he's an industry insider, a real pro.

>>5153163
Those are the rules of traditional western comic linework.
Not every line has to have a 'meaning' or whatever you mean with that.

>>5153173
>tfw anon is lying

>>5153175
Yes I did.

>>5153163
Can you give just ONE visual example with your own work?

Mr. Actually a big name pro >>5153183
watcha doing man?
>>5153014
How to improve on this by actually using construction?

>>5153160
I don't understand...

>>5153197
Bro, he's an industry insider, he can't post his work

>>5153190
no I get what hes saying

>>5153148
>Right now, I don't see any conscious, intentional decisions in your work
for what it's worth I'm trying to use construction and don't just start right eyeballing the outline right away, I'm just shit at it too. but thanks

>>5153190
>Those are the rules of traditional western comic linework.
I just went on Pintrest right now and grabbed the first three random Japanese artists that showed up.

It's lineweight all the way down. This has nothing to do with "western traditional comics".

>get told r/learnart is better than this place
>same shit
Knew it, not making me leave /beg/ lol

>>5153190
>Not every line has to have a 'meaning' or whatever you mean with that.

It's just a book, not every word has to "mean" something

It's just a song, not every note has to be thought about.

It's just a movie, not every shot has to be intentional.


this is you.

>>5153197
>>5153198
>>5153208
Bro what the fuck is wrong with you people

>>5153230
So no examples then?

>>5153227
Yes. Not everything has to have a 'hidden meaning' or something.
Most things are perfectly fine being just functional.

>>5153237
>Most things are perfectly fine being just functional.
...what the fuck do you think "functional" means when it comes to artwork? Holy shit, is this whole thread just one long shitpost? Have I actually been baited this whole time? Is this board just a big meme that I'm not in on?

How can anyone be this retarded?

>>5153244
Post ONE example, literally one.

>>5153246
Of fucking WHAT

>>5152890
remaking some of my old art

anon dont fall for the bait, I got the definition and advice I needed and I appreciate it

>>5153250
>>5153247
obvious samefag

>>5153249
The shape language and color in the original is unironically better. This is actually a step backwards.

>>5153237
bro the whole point is that the meaning js NOT hidden. It's not a metaphor for philosophy. It's about intentionality. Being deliberate.

>>5153158

I didn't see your previous picture, but going off this, you are guessing at the anatomy too much. Abandon this and study one of the figure drawing books.

>asking yourself for advice
What the fuck is going on?

>>5153244
'Meaningful' and 'Functional' are two different things, retard.
'Meaningful' in art would be something that's perfectly optimized for it's purpose while something 'Functional' would just get the job done without much hassle.
Not everything has to be 100% perfectly optimized.

>>5153224
>Using Reddit for art crit
Disregarding how Reddit works and how any sub will end up full of crabs and attention whores, who'd use a website where you can only post one image per thread to ask for critique or tell the guy to post his work when he explains how much you suck ?

Or do they have some sort of extension that inlines Imgur links I'm not aware of ? That'd be cool.

>>5153259
>Not everything has to be 100% perfectly optimized.
Then you'll never create something great

>>5153260
Don't reply to me, you read insufferable.

>>5153261
Fine with me.
I just want to have fun with art.

>>5153260
>Or do they have some sort of extension that inlines Imgur links I'm not aware of ? That'd be cool.
>this is the industry insider
Pitiful.

>>5153266
Are you having fun

>>5153271
Yes.

>>5153260
https://youtu.be/P-B3OLLUoN4

I hate working 13 hours a day. This 5 minute sketch is the most continuous draeing I've done in three weeks.

>>5153278
>rightoid "art"
yawn

>>5153254

I see what you mean, but I think it's just a result of the old drawing being cleaner. I think if he cleans up this one and sharpens the shapes it'll be better. Take it easy on that harsh white too for the highlights, it should be closer to the skin colour.

>>5153158
This actually looks good. Not sure what people are talking about.

any obvious mistakes to fix before clean lineart

>>5153281
Sorry, can't draw big gay niggers and cocks at work.

>>5153288
damn didnt know parappa and street fighter had a crossover

I havent tried anything that original, have been mostly working on observing and copying as best as I can, as far as I can tell I failed at the right arm perspective, the Sword is not aligned, and the left eye is also not aligned
other than that anything else worth noting?

>>5153292
Is the motorcycle supposed to be the size of a tricycle?
>>5153304
Thigh too long but skirt helps hide it

>>5153309
shit i fucked up the proportions

>>5153309
>Tight too long but skirt helps hide it
huh youre right, how much shorter should it be tho?

>>5153278

Keep it up man, try to get a little drawing in every day if you can, even if it's just 10 or 15 minutes.

Is a study just trying to copy a piece of art or image as exactly as you can

>>5153309
does this look better. idk what to do with the legs now.

>>5153321
A study is just that, it's an attempt to learn something. There's no one thing that makes a "study", and how you approach it depends on what you hope to learn or practice. If you're working on anatomy, form, and construction, a study might be the process of taking reference photos and trying to break them down and understand them with shapes and planes. If you're trying to learn value, light, and shape, a study might be taking a single shape or set of forms and attempting to render them in different lighting conditions with different shadows. If you're trying to learn color, light, and value, a study might be taking a photo reference and attempting to reproduce it by picking your own colors by eye and trying to match the real thing.

The point is you have to be actually attempting to learn something.

>>5153321
I think its helpful, I also find it helpful to take pics of the process too

>>5153326
I see that you're making an attempt at looking like you're trying to apply perspective to the forms you're drawing, but I don't think you're actually understanding it at a base level. I don't get the sense that you understand the forms of either the figure or the bike, which means I as the viewer absolutely don't.

>>5153336
yeah should i take the robertson pill

Critiques more than welcome.

can i get some crit for my apples? i like the middle one the most

>>5153371
You're doing a lot of symbol-drawing, and not a lot of understanding the forms. You aren't making a distinction between line and value, meaning you're using lines as hard terminators on forms, but trying to use value elsewhere. There's no underlying construction, which means you're not recreating, you're just drawing what you think you see and making it up along the way. Also, you're not even close on your values in the areas where you made a an attempt.

Stop trying to draw what something is, and focus on drawing what you see. Those will always be two very different things. And if you're going to do faces, you absolutely need to get your construction right or it's always going to be a failure.

>>5153386
Not a bad effort. I can make out distinct planes delineated with value, and you didn't skip over the details like ambient bounce lighting in the shadows. I think you could bear to use a wider value range to capture more of the nuances in color, and I would pay more attention to the hard terminators in some of the shadows, some of them don't have the fullness of value they need but overall it's a good study.

>>5152890
Sorry for the quality. Head proportionality in relativity to the rest of the body is giving me a lot of trouble. Any tips on that and the drawing in general

>>5153336
unironically though which parts are unclear

>>5153395
i was going for something like this

>>5152995
really like the gesture, especially the legs and the neck, do you watch whats on the paper while you draw gesture?how long does it take you to draw a gesture on average?
the eagle is ok but I dont underestand the head messy but confident and the other part solid but not clean; maybe use refences and draw slower
also post more of those
>>5153018
pencil if you are going into unexplored territory (you can see what works and what not), pen is more fun, either way trace it somewhere else and try how does it look. LOVE the style

Im studying nicolaides, I dont know if my gestures are good or bad, the other ones are "blind drawings" almost

>>5153388

tyvm.

>Stop trying to draw what something is, and focus on drawing what you see

What does that mean?

Here's a thing I drew from imagination.

>>5153386
not a crit just to confirm that the middle one is fucking amazing

>>5153163
Line weight

60 second gestures, following hampton/villpu
feel like im starting to get the line flow down a bit better and prioritizing what to focus on, but still p choppy

>>5153432
Draw the head, rib cage, and pelvis as circles initially or something. Your lines are all over the place and isn’t following any form

https://youtu.be/sSzB3ESpfE0

Here’s a video Hampton himself made about gesture. I improved significantly after watching

>>5153411
>What does that mean?
Humans are wired to make simplified models of things in our brain, it's how we are able to process information. We very rarely ever remember things accurately and with detail, but rather we create very simple representations of them that convey the information efficiently. This is why you're able to recognize a face even if it's just two dots and a line. This is really good for storing lots of information and recalling it quickly.

When it comes to art, this is actually a huge detriment and a hurdle we have to overcome. We call the result "symbol drawing" because our brain naturally wants to take an image we can see and replace it with a fake model we have stored in our memory as a shortcut. So if you want to draw an eye, your brain already has a picture of an eye stored and it's going to conjure it up and push it out through your pen and you'll look at it and say "Yep, that's an eye." because you're just drawing what the thing IS. What you're not doing is drawing what you ACTUALLY SEE in front of you.

You need to short-circuit or get around that part of your brain, You need to not draw what the thing "is", but rather exactly what you see in front of you. You're not drawing an eye, you're drawing a series of shapes, lines and values, that when reproduced accurately will look like an eye. This is why we do exercises like turning a reference photo upside down and drawing it that way, because it's one method of short-circuiting that part of the brain that identifies objects, so we can instead just focus on exactly what we see in front of us and nothing else.

>>5153411
special eyes
just go to the sticky and get the book drawing on the right side

>>5153436
wtf i thought that nigga was long dead

>>5153436
I feel like you're putting rules on me.

>>5153451

>>5153453
Okay? I just said what I thought you should know for improvement

>>5153457
>Okay?
you type like a tumblr bitch. Don't speak to me nigga YOU NOT IMPOtant, I'm focused.

>>5153371
>filename

>>5153457
>Okay
okay what

>>5153457
it didn't help at all

>>5153457
for the record >>5153453 isnt me
im watching the lecture right now
i dont know what that anons problem is, probably the 4month schizo

>>5153465
The video is 40 minutes. You couldn’t even be halfway. Stop being a lazy fuck and go watch it

>>5153466
Oh okay I thought >>5153465 was you. I was wondering why you responded that way

>>5153467
i will miss those 40 minutes of not drawing

>>5153460
>>5153463
>>5153465

I’m guessing this is the same anon

>>5153336
so what do i need to work on to fix it? i've worked on it a little bit more since last time but not much.

>>5153438
I get it now. No abstractions, just forms. I tried to fix some of the proportions. I guess there's a reason why they say to get the base right, otherwise editing at the end of the drawing is a pain in the arse

b-bros? my pinky and ring finger feel numb and shit
does it have something to do with the grind?

rate c:

>>5153116
but I am just having fun

>>5153193
I'm not lying, I did >>5152642, and also pic related. Yeah, those are just 15-20 min practice sketches, but one would think that after several years I'd be better at those. I've seen better 10 min sketches even ITT. And when I finish a piece and try posting something somewhere outside of /beg/ peole mostly tell me to fuck off and kys.

>>5153511
The wrinkly skin on the middle of my middle finger is swollen and itches. I can't see any scratches or sores, also I'm rubbing alcohol antiseptic in like every hour or more often (Corona paranoia ftw), so unlikely it's infected. Perhaps frosbite. You Murricans have it easy with your 'winter'.

>>5153549
yeah maybe its just the cold. it feels like something in the bone though

I bought an e-book for "drawing on the right side of the brain", and all of the supplies outlined in it. What am I in for fellas.

completed my first fully successful seed bead loom bracelet today! Feel quite proud of myself after only working with a lil over a week or so now

the grind continues

Drew some ducks today!

>>5153643
sigh

>>5153640
Very nice. How did you get so good at hands?

Why does it look creepy?

>>5153648
you made me laugh sincerely, anon

also i like your ducks, i think they're neat

that line weight difference on the duck of bottom left makes it more appealing, u should keep training that

i'd suggest you used some sort of paper sheet under your hand to avoid smudging

>>5153665
read tsitsyksy stisyksye stioyky

>>5153665
photo source pls

>>5153667
Hey anon, thanks, a piece of paper is a good idea. My sketchbooks are full of smudges. I’m left hand and heave handed so it’s a problem

>>5153673
sorry but i dont have it anymore

>>5153676
fuck you then

>>5153665
It looks like the coomer face desu

Half of the people I talk to say line smoothing (stabilizers) are gimping you in the long run but the other half say it's not a problem. I want to use them to clean up my lines but I dont want to feel like I'm "cheating". Can I have you guys' opinions?

>>5153683
If you use lines you're a faggot beyond saving

Almost done with this, any advice thoughts?

>>5153689
fuck off to /fag/ faggot and kys

>>5153683
Draw on paper with a pencil

Tips for drawing realistic feathers?

>>5153665
Just fuck you.

>>5153035
Coon

>>5153643
>>5153648
Love these! Excellent gesture

>>5153656
I'm brute forcing this shit, 1min each hand. I wouldn't say I'm good, but I appreciate it.

What do you guys think of my first ever goku drawing?

>>5153737
Neck isn’t thick enough

>>5153697
Edge control of pencil/tool, shade at 9 degree angle, 15 degree, 45 degree and 90 degree.

See the type of linework you can create.
Find the most aesthetic linework you can create.
Use it to depict what you want.
Learn to experiment with your art.
You can do it.

i think this is the last revision before i sleep. did i lose soul when cleaning it up?

you're just jealous.

Started first drawing in SAI.
Still /beg/, but line stabilizer adds +50 confidence. I mean, I don't hate at least half of my lines now.

any critique?

>>5153804
Pedos get the rope :^)

>>5153774
make straw bigger

>>5153804
how do i into loli

>>5153410
Thanks, I'm really liking yours and yep those are definitely some nice contours without looking, Im actually not studying Nico just trying to reverse engineer his whole weight system and apply that to gesture, takes me like a minute and looking at the paper

>>5153683
Pros use stabilizers. They also trace 3d models. But that's not a story crabs on /ic/ would tell.

>>5153689
this is really good, i like it. Now gtfo from beg.

>>5152890
where do i need to go and focus on?
i’ve been trying to learn perspective hut it’s slow

I'm trying to pay more attention to my reference and I think this Deckard managed to do what I wanted it to do, yeah I know it's weal but I got rid of the symbol drawing I tend to do for the eyes and eyebrows, that's all Deckard. Now I'm not sure I'm using construction right
>>5153542
Look hunter might be cute but her face is fucking hard to draw
>>5153640
Oh that's incredible, what are you using, I want some of that

I want to draw bodies so how can I turn gesture into it, someone shared a course with me but I'm unsure.
This is gesture right? I want to do Nico but I don't have a live model so I can't and fuck Vilppu lol

>>5153386
Your values are too blown out (your lights are too light, darks are too dark), plus you are painting them with no background value so the values you are putting down for the apples will look different against the white background, even if they are the right values. ALWAYS slap down your background value first. Values are relative to each other.

You also kind of zeroed in on details too soon. Work on blocking in planes and shadow shapes very simply first, and then blending and working towards details afterwards.

For a beginner I would also recommend working with a black and white photo when you're doing a value study. If your reference picture isnt black and white, learn to change it in the program you're using.

>>5153871
pick a figure drawing book from sticky or proko

>>5153619
Very cool. You should check out doing beadwork on rawhide/leather. I've done some stuff back in high school using my tribal patterns. If I wanted to sell it I could've made a shit ton of money. Even if you aren't Indian you can probably larp as one on ebay by calling it "authentic." Won't be quite as good as doing it in person as an Indian but you could still probably get a good bit of extra money

is there an optimal ratio of just draw to studies.

How do I stop crabbing and hating myself?

>>5153691
Yikes
Pyw first

>>5153829
Thank you!
And damn, i thought it was still /beg/ tier

>>5153907
shut up and draw doohinkus over porn and figure out construction

>>5153907
By feeling the form. absolutely aggravating when it doesn't click

how do you make tedious shit like rotating boxes fun?

>>5153499
is that a cup with a straw? i know they have 44 oz. cups at gas stations and stuff, but...

1.) how did they transport the drink without spilling (if i could see a gas station or restaurant in the background, it would tell me the story). i've never driven a motorcycle but i didn't think they had cupholders.

2.) you wouldn't grasp it that way and I don't think the fingers would be long enough to wrap around

3.) even if it is a 44 oz. ounce, it still looks too large. it's almost the size of their head. i've got a 44 oz. styrofoam cup in the kitchen and it could be the height of a human head, but doesn't come near the width.

>>5153774
>>5153917

yeah i already tried shrinking it. i might add a background tomorrow it would probably make more sense.

>>5153915
can you come up with an idea that would fill a page with boxes? for example, imagine looking into a container full of LEGO pieces

you'd get practice drawing boxes and also get a finished piece of work out of it.

>>5153922
ah, didn't see that image in the thread. thought i was looking at your most recent.

So what fundies should I be focusing on? I forgot
>>5153884
Alright thanks

turd polishing

Anyone have anthing like a tutorial for digital shading? I'm just trying to do a lit sphere in CSP using a hard round brush, but I don't really know how to use these tools. I don't get how to make smudged edges in particular, or not cause the lines to get darker as they layer over with the brush.

Wish I can get to the point I can just draw to git gud

just started drawabox rotating boxes and my brain is fucking melted

there’s something off about the trees but i can’t place it. any advice?

Help me to fix the perspective of the foot, I know isn't right but perspective is one of weak points.

>>5153035
Coom

>>5153959
I don't have a tutorial, but I can try to explain. Pic related.

The workflow for a hard round brush is roughly the following:

Identify two colors you want to blend
Set your brush to half opacity
Pick one of the colors with the color picker
Make a stroke where the colors meet
You now have an average of the two colors (it creates two new colors)
Reduce the size of your brush
Pick the new colors you've created
Make a stroke where the old colors meet this new color, creating several new borders in the process
Repeat as often as necessary

Basically you're building a gradient with opacity rather than smudging

I made a picture for you. The first step is the two colors. The second is what happens with the 50% opacity brush. The third image is the 50% opacity brush that is 1/2 the size of the first brush. And the fourth image is the rest of the owl where I've done about a dozen iterations on it.

>>5153035
Work on line quality. The Chin is too sharp.
Switch on pen pressure for opacity.
switch on smoothing 5% to 20% test which is more suitable for you.
You can do it.

I've been /beg/ for three years and spend easily 4 hourd a day drawing, i give up. I'm never gonna be good at drawing. Goodbye

>>5154051
see you tomorrow anon

>>5154051
Pyw

>>5154063
i posted this before but it got deleted, i just wanna stop being beg but it's no use I can't. I'll stop posting.

>>5154069
Looks fine to me. Just need to add more details.

>>5152890
I guess this as good a place to ask as any.
I'm not exactly an artist, but I want to redraw pic related, or to be more specific every frame in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyzQiM3hXk for a different character.
All in all I think I can manage, I'm just going to trace the image in GIMP and it'll be fine, but here's my question:
How do I draw the legs? I want to make the dress shorter (somewhere above the knee) and have no idea how to do it. Should I just do noodle legs?

Forcing myself to do some timed (loosely at least) studies of male torsos since I've been slacking in that department and been focusing more on ladies. It's been pretty hard, but it helps when I remind myself not to copy contours and rely more on things I've learned from other artists.

>>5153988
This looks really good, anon. I don't think I'm good enough to suggest anything other than whatever I can regurgitate from what I've heard. Maybe the trees are too evenly shaped and spaced together? I kind of like that look though, makes it a bit creepy.

>>5153871
I haven't studied Nicolaides so I can't say how his method should look like, but I suppose the first step is making some sense of those gestures by adding some basic construction method on top or just going straight to adding anatomical meat on it. I find that once you start drawing anatomy on top you begin to lose the initial gesture over time, so it's good to learn how to let the gesture "pop through" once you add all the bones, skin, and muscles.
...Not that I can do that well of course, but it's something I've been trying to study.
>>5153946
>So what fundies should I be focusing on? I forgot
Whatever you find weak and want to improve on. That's how I pick and choose my studies for the day/week. Gesture, proportion, and appealing shapes seem super important for figure drawing I'd say. Anatomy too, of course. I think it's a mistake not to begin studying anatomy early so long as you don't go too overboard with it.

Already posted this in the last thread but that was still unfinished so I went ahead and tried to finish to the best of my abilities. So, here it is. Just wondering if it at least looks recognizable. It's on a ship that was strewn together from junk. Will probably just abandon this and move on to another drawing.

>>5154102
For the record, it's not supposed to be human sized. Pic related.

>>5154069
anon thats considered loli, put in the catbox like /lsg/ does

241 to go.
is it cheating to use arrows dots or lines to try and align my vanishing points?

>>5154146
If you're following the actual lesson, points are actually encouraged as far as I remember.
Also remember to take a pen/pencil of different color and extend your lines after you're done with a page, makes mistakes much more apparent.

where is this battleship firing at?

>>5153665
the pupils are to big and the lines you use for the wrinkles are too hard

>>5154167
Your /beg/ art.
Now go back to grinding

>>5154171
Lmao. Correct. Well, guess it's back to drawing. All my papers are slightly bent which is really annoying.

Carrot

>>5153814
Im a little bit speechless, I cant help you beyond pointing out the little bits you already see, looks beautiful the cross hatching the thing with the "dry marker"

>>5153518
05/10

>>5153900
the amount you can do without killing yourself dead

>>5153915
reward yourself every time you do it

https://woodgears.ca/eyeball/

Is this shit useful for training sighting and measuring?

Someone please give me a test commission, just describe what scene and character you want and if I succeed in making it I'll post it in the next thread

>>5154361
Draw me klee from genshin impact being happy like OP's picture. Bonus tips for drawing her in full body.

>>5154369
Ahh I don't really draw anime
See my last study for example

>>5154375
forgot file

>>5154375
you draw cars? if so try drawing the mazda 787b with your own creative twist.

>>5153689
this is not fag furrytard, go kys

Some bullshit while waiting on the oven

>>5154017
yeah my lines are pretty bad, I'm not used to the tablet yet. I will try it out, thanks

>>5153956
Don't do that to me

>>5154069
Yep, pedos are indeed mentally underdeveloped. Hope natural selection does its work, but not before you get a date with Bubba.

>>5153737
seeooooulllll

>>5154097
>>5154409
>>5154425
>>5154378
>>5153991
>>5153830

Not /beg/, go humble brag elsewhere

>>5154425
do what fren

>>5153830
>>5153956
>>5153991
>>5154097
>>5154378
>>5154409

Not /beg/, go humblebrag elsewhere, smurfs

>>5154438
thank you for the compliment i think fren

Do you guys give up when you realise the finished drawing will probably look like shit halfway through because you failed some basic stuff, or do you just go on to practice on what's left to do like shading and such ?

>>5154441
depends, i used to just give up and move on to the next but i do try to colour it now

>>5154441
i studied shading by working on someone's sketch, made me good at it but now my drawing lacks

HIDE SCHIZO THREADS
IGNORE SCHIZO POSTS
DO NOT REPLY TO SCHIZO POSTERS

>>5154449
duly noted, ignoring you

>>5154449
Make me, sperg

>>5154451
you already failed buttmunch

>>5154458
no u

Is this what happens when two schizos start having a conversation?

Just one suicidal nihilistic angel girl. Of corse, her wings, bow and dead kitten aren't drawed yet.

>>5154503
Crit me pls
Redline me pls
Ohhh yaa-

>>5154503
>>5154511
The legs seems long, the hands looks small, the breast don't look like that unless you are going for a fake look they are suppose to have a natural sag to them, the upper torso/shoulder area could be a little bigger compare to her waist.

>>5154503

Hands are completely fucked up. Make them shorter and with the bigger wrists.

>>5154262
You know that's not mine right
jesus fucking christ

>>5153887
Eh the rawhide and leather doesn’t make my lizard brain go hgnn like all the pretty glass beads do when I see em through the light so I’ll prob stick to that. I haven’t got much interest in selling em just a dinky hobby to gift friends and family while taking zoom classes cause I’m certainly not gonna take notes during em. Lemme see some of your bead work!!

I tried drawing from imagination for once.
Don't skip perspective day, kids

>>5154503
boobs are not round. Boobs are made of fats, they lay on top of the ribcage. Try touching your moobs or boobs to figure out how it works.

I drew a bell pepper

>>5153371
can you stay on /his/ and/or go back to your paradox games? thanks

>>5153705
thanks anon

here's some frogs

>>5154622
Brilliant, really lively poses. Are these drawn from life? Very impressive either way, I’m just curious because they’re so expressive and kinetic.

>>5154626
I wish I had access to frogs irl. I just googled "frog" and drew em haha, thanks anon

Someday imma make it and leave /beg/.

I'm a /beg/ coomer artist now

>>5154670
Overcompressed it lel

>>5154661
either the neck is too long or you should spin the torso a bit

>>5153371
Me reí con el filename. Sí que se parece.

That being said, since you don't know what symbols are, I recommend you read Keys to Drawing. Best book for beginners imo, helped me a lot.

>>5154511
>>5154516
>>5154524

>>5154189
blog?

Made a new thread.
>>5154740

>>5154438
>Not /beg/
Oh th-thanks

Can I get a crit on my rendering

>>5153263
Just draw

>>5154441
If I'm doing digitally, I can typically fix whatever the problem is.

>>5155516
not beg, fuck off retarded pig

>>5155586
>>5155516
Idk, feet and some of the perspective look pretty beg to me

did some gesture drawings following hampton instructions, since what proko says didnt really make sense to me, and just 30 seconds isnt enough time for me to understand a pose because brainlet, so I tried these in 2mins
is this okay? is there something that I should put more attention? is there something I'm doing wrong?