/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>when you finally make it then die in an accident

>>5142974
Life's a comedy and who or whatever the creator is has a wicked sense of humor.

>>5142965
>dog dude in the bottom left pic
YOU JUST KNOW

>>5142974
make sure you to do your yearly medical check up honey <3

>>5142988
So he an heroe'd? Difference between W*Men and Men is that Men get the fucking job done.

>>5142992
All men can get cancer hun.

>>5142996
Don't forget to stream it, maybe you'll get a like or two.

>>5142988
>stage 4 fibrosis sarcoma cancer
which kills you in weeks, maximal a few months.
>doctor says i have 1 and a half years left
k
>but i don't have to worry about things now
>and thanks for donating to my patreon exdee
jesus fucking christ
no shame at all

>>5143041
whores gonna whore what's new

>>5143041
You realize they're dead now right?

>>5143041
asian genes are better at art and not dying of cancer, deal with it whitey

>>5142965
>traced over backgrounds
wish every crab would die like this

>>5143098
KEK
I mean NICE

>>5143098
Yeah, just made some research.
Last activity apparently on February 2020
but why do they still have a
>youtube channel
>twitter
>ko-fi
>active patreon with 1k pledges
If you're in the whole
>"hurr durr u shouldnt say bad things about dead people"
Why is it ok for dead people to use their death for financial gain?
This feeds in the whole
>dead artist' art is more valuable
I'm also dead.
Where the fuck is my money?

>>5143102
the dude made some cool illustrations but yeah he gets a little too much praise for something that's a basic csp feature. that's what happens when artists are too stupid to learn the software they use. he could still draw but tons of it is clearly straight from photos and filters.

Life is eternal.

>>5143141
I didn't really know about them. I'm not upset about it. I mean I get where you're coming from, but seething about it won't change a thing about my own situation.

>>5143141
are you saying you wouldn't do these? lmao thanks god there are dumb GMI like you in this world so I can have less competition.

>>5143198
I'm just saying it for the sake of it.
I'm not """"seething""""
>>5143211
Nah man, lies are fucking boring.

HOW DO I DRAW LIKE THIS AAAAA

>>5143276
Lineart.. rendering..

>>5143276
lineart
paint on individual layers

can't draw hair
also really should have flipped this more while drawing it's so off looking

like this pic here >>5143276
do you guys draw whole background only to be covered by foreground or just draw the parts that are visible in the end?

>>5143287

>>5143299
that's like stamp brushes or a 3d scene/photo they trace over

>>5143299
it's digital so just turn off the layer with the character and draw the background like normal

>>5143281
>rendering
How do you draw this?

>>5142965
ever since i started drawing seriously myself i can't appreciate art like in OP. it just makes me seethe that they are tracing 3d objects and getting away with it, 3 years ago i would've looked at it and said "neat" and been none the wiser.

Any guide to drawing simple, kawaii stuff? Animals mostly?

>>5143314
pick a better example piece and i'll walk you through an element of your choice

>>5143362
Maybe "Famous Artist Cartoon Course"? Know about it from other thread and it has animals chapter, looks cute enough.

>>5143362
If you find something can you post it here? Also really interested.

>>5142772
>>5142772

Bump from last thread

>>5143410
you can just draw the shirt on top and erase where applicable + decrease transparency

>>5143418
That easy? Will try it tomorrow then.

Hit me up with the futa mating press references.

>>5143449
Seoul

unironically asking where to find high resolution finished works to study from? is pixiv/hentaifoundry the only places to look?

>>5143505
I use gelbooru.com but it's almost only porn and there is a lot of bad art aswell even if you might not see it instantly.

>>5143449
SOL

>tfw freestyle copying something, finishing and putting it ontop of the original and it looks almost like it was traced

>>5143531
>Being this proud for being a xerox machine
Just quit.

>>5142965
I'm so frustrated. I can't finish a single piece and i end up tearing all the pages out of my sketchbook cuz everything is complete dogshit. How do you guys keep going when you feel like shit?

>>5143430
yeah, pretty much?
i made a rough diagram to demonstrate if you'd like, but i switched shapes partway through so it looks a little weird lol
the shirt isn't really a shirt, but ah well

>>5143531
good for you, congrats! now apply it to something else

who's this?

What things in your opinion, make something look western vs anime? There were so many western cartoons in the early 2000's trying to copy the anime style, but they were missing that certain something, what is it?

>>5143287
it looks fine, only critique is that if you observe real hair it curves inwards toward the head.
It doesn't really curve out unless it's styled with products like that or messy.

>>5143505
Why do you need more ? Pixiv is really diverse

>>5143698
Cant remember but I think its from an archipel interview on youtube (pretty sure it wasnt manben)

>>5143698
Hisashi Eguchi

is her torso alright?

some anon from last thread got me inspired to grind lower torso's

>>5143722
No.

>>5143875
why

>>5143402
skin

>>5143905
what? this is literally just cel shading with some airbrushing and cel highlights. i'm not sure what you're confused about here?

>>5143141
based schizo

>>5143866
I’d love to grind as well but I’m unsure about how to break things down and am afraid to forge bad habits,
I studied from that youtube mangaka (akihito https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeySBnV71dyC-gwqapq9NwQ/videos)) but his methods for the waist/hips were way too simplistic in the end. He’s praised a lot but looking at his manga you realize he’s not a master at all.

Any idea on what/who to study for more construction inspiration please? I’d really appreciate it.

As an absolute brainlet beginner, what should be the very first thing that I try and focus on?
Whether it's a specific skill or some concept etc.

>>5143098
based

>>5142988
I have terminal NGMI. Imagine having to live with that.

>>5143531
#slap

is the area below the stomach too small?

>Hitokaku anon its on the fast lane to GMI
>Meanwhile I'm still on wagecuck hell
>Despite waking up early to draw before work and coming back home to draw I'm not making progress to become halfway decent within my lifetime
What a sad existence, worst of all is that I cannot afford to quit either. If you guys are reading this and have time to draw please use it.

>>5144149
>>Hitokaku anon its on the fast lane to GMI
who?

>>5143531
ufuffufu what a cute post

>>5144062
As a absolute beginner I recommend to focus on drawing clean lines. Peter Han Dynamic Sketching and the first lesson on Drawabox should do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>5144062
I should rephrase this.
I've taken a look through the OP, as well as the MEGA with the art books. There is a shitton of information in there, but I'm not sure how I should be applying it. I've been directly tracing over pictures for a bit but I feel like that's the wrong play, as I'm not really working on composition at all, though I don't even know if that's something I should be focusing on at the moment. I feel a bit lost with all of this information.
>>5144170
Thank you for the help! I'll go through these.

>>5144154
Some guy who hasn't posted in forever he meant I guess.
I'm also curious as to what he's doing now.

>>5144197
He's on twitter now!

>>5144201
Link please.

>>5144170
>>5144177
Once more I'd like to thank you for sharing this video. I feel like I finally have a starting point, it's a big morale booster.

>>5143569
go for a while doing fast studies with no finishing

>>5143722
looks fine

>>5143866
Swapping to men for alittle.

I need ref tips on how to draw breasts
Anyone got any on hand?

>>5144201
flan? know that i'll always be rooting for you

>>5144197
>patreon 2k a month
>twitter follower, 86k

>>5144344
there are thousands of artists on Patreon, I don't see how we're supposed to find the link that way.
i bet you guys are jerking off to his traced shits thinking it'll get you good and this is why you're unwilling to share lmao

>>5144277
Cool dude

>>5143585
Oh damn thanks a lot that's really helpful!

>>5144322
here take it

>>5144135
not at all, the stomach itself might be a bit too big but its not that bad. very cute stuff, anon.

>>5144448
>doxy
This is pretty interesting, the only work I've seen from him on boorus looked significantly western. The girls in the middle look like nice educated quality anime girls

>>5144510
this is a mixed picture, doxy seems to be only some parts of it. The rest seem to be japanese artists.
I also think he's extremely western. Don't really like his art at all.

>>5144528
I think you are right.
Yeah, he is not really for me. It looks like every once in a while he has something nice but it is generally not the kind of stuff I'd go out of my way to find.
https://twitter.com/doxyonta/status/1329611593433317377/photo/1

>>5144228
Okay I'll try this. Thank you!

>>5143276

90% of accomplished manga-ka have learned by sheer force of will slaving their early life away being assistants of another big dick manga-ka that would make them complete their shitty drafts with interpretrations mixed with an absurd amount of ass whopping

Toriyama was infamous for making his assistants draw up to 100 figures PER DAY, because there is no other way to get good than to keep fucking drawing until your fingers have callouses so big you will pop them for fun, don't bitch you can't draw until your doodles don't make you bleed, only then you can bitch.

drawing is cordination, it's discipline, it's spirit, acquire proficiency and never let up

>>5143905
>cel shading with some airbrushing and cel highlights
all of what you just said

>>5144583
incredibly cringe and crabbing image

>>5144698
>incredibly based and redpilled

thanks

>>5144695
did you mean to reply to me?
>>5143917

i can do it for you, but honestly i don't know how useful it would be, since most of it is just knowing where to put shadows in the first place and then simplifying that into larger chunks, and i think there are probably books or pros that can explain that way better + you get better with mileage. the rest is just shading with a generic pen tool and an airbrush.

>>5144416
np

>>5144819
so it's just using the airbrush

what's the source for the op thumbnail?

>>5144894
filename

>>5144329

>>5144978
Very cool anon

>>5144978
what a clunky and impractical looking staff, I doubt she can even hold its weight like that

Will I ever be good enough to draw thick anime girls that make my pp go up?

>>5145067
only if you practice

>>5145071
guess not.

>>5144848
it's just cel shading and using the airbrush/blur where necessary

here i made a diagram

>>5145138
Do you have like a blog or something? you're like the most useful and informative poster here.

>>5145417
>Do you have like a blog or something? you're like the most useful and informative poster here.

Test

>>5145488
you nailed it!

>>5145432

>>5144322
Proko Anatomy
Pecs & Breasts(10a—h)

>>5145488
icles

>>5145432
Getting some jealousy vibes from this one..

>>5145512
>Getting some jealousy vibes from this one..

>>5145512

>>5144277
He’s hot

Does the eye shine have to be in a specific place based on what direction the character's facing?

>>5145592
Isn't shine position on sphere is defined by light source direction?

>>5145592
>Does the eye shine have to be in a specific place based on what direction the character's facing?
This is what happens when you do nothing but copy without understanding what the fuck you're even trying to draw.

Are there resources on how they made anime in the 80s/90s? I mean from a technical point, what paper they used, pens, painting techniques for fore/background, how they were able to color characters so smoothly, etc.

I know the use of cels (some form of plastic?) for characters, then how did they smoothly color them? How does drawing on cels differ from paper?

I've heard that they used watercolor for backgrounds, so what kind of brushes and paint brands (or whatever) or canvas can you use to emulate that? And what about other techniques like gouache or whatever?

Even better if there are resources for dbz and related animes from the past.

>>5145670
How it’s not common sense baffles me. Some of the shit people ask online truly makes me believe I’m gmi

>>5143866
>>5144277
Cont.

>>5143141
do you think that your youtube is deleted when you die or something

>>5143866
>>5144277
>>5145869

Hit abit of a road block while drawing Males, Not sure how to keep the "Anime" aesthetic, especially regarding different face types and builds, Gonna do a deep-dive and find some references then approach this muscle man again.

>>5146078
Forgot image.

>>5145869
good stuff

A little down with my art lately so I decided to pick up grinding again. Ones filled with yellow are from imagination

Every time i post here i get depressed and want to give up drawing, people even make fun of me, i even got so depressed one time that i stopped drawing for half a year.
I feel like this general isn't a good idea.

>>5146282
Just b urself.

>>5144277
>>5145869
>>5146080
Fuggen sweet

>>5145138
not the og anon but thanks this is informative

anyone know artists with similar rendering style to this that publish their actual workflow/make speed arts?

>>5145728
>>5145670
Anime often prioritizes appeal over realism. It isn't so far fetched to assume there could be rules of appeal that have more to do with head direction than light direction. You guys are being boggarts.

>>5143170
>>5143102
You can trace over backgrounds in CSP? How do I do this?

Does anyone know some of the illustrators/animators behind Record of Lodoss War (OVA)? Wiki page isn't clear about the artists behind it.

>>5146282
Just don't post here if you can't handle the 4chan attitude dude. It's as easy as that.

>>5146282
Will that make you feel better knowing those people are actually sad crabs?

>>5144149
>>Hitokaku
where is that guy at? haven't checked /ic/ in months. he helped me back in the days I hope he is doing ok

>>5146331
he has a twitch stream

What's hitokaku

>>5146331
bro im pretty sure this artist streams on twitch

>>5142965
Why did you post art from someone faking their death?

How should I line this sketch to get that soft cutesy vibe? whenever i do lineart it feels too bold and stiff.

>>5147290
itz not lineart, itz ur shapez

>>5147306
could you be more specific?

>>5147290
It's already bold and stiff and attempting to correct that in the lineart stage is misplaced effort. You need a gesture that gets across a soft cutesy vibe in the first place. That isn't to say your sketch is bad, just isn't giving that vibe you're looking for.

>>5146325
np!

>>5145417
glad you like. my actual blog is inactive, so nah. if youre looking for more of the same, i dont really have that much reason to make extra walkthrough steps most days lol, i'm lazy. i post on /dad/ as f-, and i'm in the discs but also inactive.

aside from what's been posted in /asg/, i have half a rough muryou_tada study with a couple of steps, but that's about it.

>>5147290
what other anon said. soft cutesy things are generally more rounded; big eyes/chibi alone won't necessarily do it.
look at panty and stocking -- the style is cute, depending on taste, and generally pretty chibi/super-deformed, but not 'soft', because all the shapes are in hard-edged blocks and such.

I copied a manga panel, was pretty fun, it forces you to draw all bunch of things, what should I do for greys tho, I have an grey and black liner, should I get a marker set or somth? Also what can I do about hair I always end up drawing bananas, is there some trick or I should just draw more?

>>5147506
loomis

>>5146686
Look at the credits of the anime, draw the kanji of the names in Jisho, fins the kanji's and then search their names on google or on mal/anime news network and hope for the best, also ann has the biggest database on names maybe your just lucky there

wip
>>5145138
awesome

>>5144329
Th..thanks. That really means a lot to me.

Drew a load of heads using loomis, any glaring mistakes?

>>5148033
Yes, stop copying anime.

No NOOOOOOO!!! noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Fact: drawing hair is impossible

>>5148210
I made the impossible possible, where is my nobel prize

>>5148330
Nice try, that's clearly fake.

Drawing hair at usual anime way requires a tons of precise jeweler's work with lines. But I found a way that don't. It's cringy and looks not very anime-ish. Looks like nobody loves curls.

>>5142965
Artist for op's pic died 6 - 7 months ago, his mom and dad announced only recently.

>>5148845
>check the pixiv
goddamn

>>5148040
neck yourself nigger

>>5142992
Seethe more tranny. A woman that went through 4 heart surgeries and died of cancer still achieved more than you ever would.

>>5148033
Yeah anon, in a lot of those the features are misplaced, in some they're all over the place. And while I do think it's a nice exercise to practice construction like that, most japs just draw odd oval blobs as head shapes, then maybe a couple guidelines and then place the features like eyes and noses just based on intuition, which one can only develop with practice. I dunno, thsts just my take, feel free to read, or not

>>5149095
soul with 'tism

>>5148033
dont use default fate art like bottom left as a ref, you'll wind up with fucky faces but not in a good way

>>5147944
thanks mate, cool draw too

How is my anime?

practicing some faces
usually when it comes to anime styles I think of the typical round face with big eyes and minimal nose definition, but what is it about styles like the 1995 GITS movie or idk fighting game character art that maintain form definition in the face but still feels "eastern"? If you looked at a Berserk villain, does that still look "anime"?
I can't give up the meatiness for moeblobs but I wanna find a good balance
and I miss Motoko's nose

>>5149257
Bro same, as soon as I deviate from the "normal" male face it loses its "Animeness", good idea doing street fighter characters,

Keep up the hard work, bros

>>5149257
did a soft style for fun
>>5149275
I hope we can figure out the secret lol, but I kinda wonder why it is I even care about maintaining an "anime" feel. I wanna draw what looks good most of all and I wish I didn't care about it

Any tips for drawing side view heads?

>>5149322
Literally me right now.

my 'lil studies.

>>5149439
Sir I believe that is actually Dan Hibiki, not you

>>5149271

>>5149482
>5149271

whoops, forgot to call you a based rwby poster

>>5147944
That looks really good

>>5149271
Based RWBY poster

Can somebody help me.

She's mean to be twisting like the boxes on the top right and there's a skin fold from it but i feel like it did it wrong.
Also did i get her pelvis right? I feel like it's wrong.

How do you cope with this? This is a perma beginner on pixiv, and his stuff looks way more authentic than anything posted here.

>>5149658
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>5149713
Just tell me what's wrong, and I'll try to fix it

>>5149683
Pathetically weak bait. Go draw.

>>5149731
Thank you for admitting that your stuff will never look authentic

>>5149745
Go draw schizo, go draw.

>>5149713
>>5149722
i woke my family from laughing at this, never change /ic/

>>5148845
rip to that nigga

What's the actual difference of this thread, the manga general and the alt-style general?

>>5149823
It's all sub categories.

Alternative art = anything that isn't realism
Anime study = Anime styled alternative art
Manga making = Making comics out of anime styled alternative art

>>5149187
Anyone wanna say anything about it?

>>5149823
manga general is the most delusional, the same as any amateur who wants to do comic projects and thinks they have a story people want to read

>>5149840
Boring, stiff, cringe """"RETRO"""" post processing

I'll never make it

>>5149864
Is the right your reference? Why are you copying that specifically?

>>5149881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_05or04sGAo&t=231s&ab_channel=mikeymegamega

I'm new and searched a guide how to make faces.

>>5149860
Oh...okay

>>5149921
PFFFAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAGHQAHHAHGAHGHAHA

>>5149921
>mikeymegamega
lol ngmi

>>5150036
who's gonna help me make it bro

>>5150048
some hitokaku

>>5150048
no wait, loomis.

>>5150064
but I want to make anime not cartoons

>>5150072
Try ルーミス then.

>>5150072

>>5150033
>>5150036
Thanks for laughing I guess

>>5150072
there's a jap on pixiv mogging loomis in this department by stealing his method and adapting it to anime characters. i don't know the account but just search by popular all time and you'll find several.
whoever runs the accounts usually colors in with bright yellows, reds, blues and greens but otherwise just clean lineart so it's hard to miss.

>>5150121
if you're talking about manga materials, that stuff is pretty bad

>>5150173
Explain how it is bad.

>>5150173
wasn't sure but i looked it up and yeah that is probably the account.
there's a couple with similiar style so i'm not entirely confident though.

>>5150220
Explain how it is good.

>>5150275
>>5150173
Nice shitpost retard, opinion discarded.

>>5150220
it's like "educational" junk food or entertainment, the people who collect "how to draw" tutorial images or watch hours of art streams/tutorials thinking they're learning something. the illustrations are incredibly poorly drawn for indicating structure and learning from: a lot of soft, curvy lines that lack structure and have a lot of erasing/scratchiness to them. if you drew from an actual anatomy book in your language you'd learn a lot more and the names of muscles the anatomy so you know what to look up reference for.

Ok you win, I'll read the western guide and learn how to draw using western methods.

>>5149658
>>5149722
There's no compression in the torso so the folds do not help define it due to the other side of the torso not stretching. The head is too big for the figure you have it out of proportion to the hands, and the torso.

>>5150354
I forgot what thread this was, disregard the post.

>>5149860
how would you even make something like that less stiff?

>>5150349
here is the secret: from the neck down it's all the same shit

>>5150443
Then there is nothing wrong with me learning how to draw faces using anime guides?

>>5150444
>anime guides
A fucking guide line is a guide line why do you weebs insist on having to lump fundamentals with your animay bullshit? You're never going to learn.

>>5150444
you're suppose to use the guides, manga is symbol drawing unless you're doing a realistic approach like in Vagabond

>>5150451
uhh ok I'll learn the fundies of how to make bodies and then I'll try to fit in an anime face, got it.

any guides/references for tees' folds?

>>5150378
can someone answer this?

>>5150220
It's good only if you are already experienced and skilled and mostly as reference. By themselves it would be a terrible for unexperienced artists as it just throws the figures on you without mentioning all the important underlying knowledge neccesary for portraying these figures at different angles. For the author is just easy cash and a masturbatory showoff

>>5150511
>masturbatory
there it is again AHAHAH

Is csp really better than photoshop or is it just a meme for purple who won't pirate photoshop. I'm playing with the vector layers that everyone raves about but not blown away.

>>5149658
Not much of a cunny fan but I feel like your construction method isn't being used as it should. In your box example, you're twisting her in a completely different angle. Either that Or the guidelines you're putting down are just wrong.

Box construction requires actually being able to draw boxes, which admittedly doesn't seem to be your forte yet. Your doodle on the right, while having better and easier to use shapes, have a bit of proportion issues-- the torso is way to short.

For the sketch itself, the legs are fantastic looking, but the way she's twisting and the angles just don't make much sense. Her left arm looks like it disappeared, and there's no way she's using her hand as support when she looks more like she's slipping on it. The neck is way too long from where it should be (the middle of the shoulders) and makes everything look dislocated.

I redrew your faces a bit. I've seen a lot of your work in the past, and it seems you're still missing a bit of the 3D aspect anime faces have.

I also changed the pose a bit to make it a bit more dynamic, but kept the legs intact. It isn't much of a redline, but I hope you get my points better. I don't know if my handwriting is readable though.

sorry for bad quality photo and the messiness but is there anything i can do to make this design look more interesting? should i change the pose? i think i made her look too stiff but i’m not sure how to change it

>>5150526
that poster isn't wrong. the artist is a crazy bitch with histrionic disorder or something. she's had a few public meltdowns.

>>5150527
your lines are not very good so it doesn't really matter

i don't think you would be blown away by photoshop either, in terms of lineart, without lazy nezumi on rather high settings, if you are relying on vectors to create lines of this level

>>5150444
just use the anime guides or tuts, it doesn't matter, you don't need loomis's steps and head construction with cheekbones, etc., for anime faces because a lot of it is simplified.
exception could be if you're aiming to draw in a style with more nose or defined features; learning a detailed construction method that makes it easier to draw cheekbones and features will work better if you want to draw more detailed faces, naturally.
want mugi? moe anime construction works. want askeladd? probably try loomis.

>>5150554
don't get it twisted, western twitter is a blight.

mangamaterials is pretty sensitive, but she got shit on and death threats sent to her for just saying basic shit like (paraphrased) "your aimless chicken scratching is not a style and you should stop because it looks bad". sure, she could stand to grow thicker skin, but that's cancerous.

>>5150566
>western twitter is a blight
This is correct, but she is still a histrionic person nonetheless.

>>5150491
That depends do you own a t-shirt, and a mirror?

>>5150584

do you want hordes of crabs going at you for saying basic shit because "my art isn't bad, you're just wrong, you don't need to do this to be good, kill yourself, drink bleach"?

again, she's sensitive and needs thicker skin, and probably should've ignored a lot of the shit.

i still wouldn't label it 'overly' theatric for someone to get pissed off or upset at getting told by hordes of retards to kill themselves after trying to make (arguably) helpful tutorials.

>>5150606
forgot to add, but i bet they were mass-reporting to try and get her account suspended too. no matter how you feel about her content quality, that's a lot of work down the shitter to some pissy snowflakes drawing sparkledog fursonas.

>>5150606
I don't even follow her closely and even blacklisting westeners she still puts up theatrics after the well starts drying up. Last one I remember going fullblown ballistic because people were pirating her courses, something that happens to all good artists but you don't see Vilppu going full gestapo every 2 minutes because autists post megaupload links on the cantonese fishing forums.

>>5150651
oh, really? i remember that she got upset over piracy but not quite that upset. i also don't follow her closely, just saw the shit with western twitter crabs go down.

Reminder that your heroes studied Loomis and you are the laughing stocks of /ic/, right there with cumfarti, 4 months fag, and pixel schizo.

>>5150683
I already told you I gave up on learning how to draw anime by following anime guides, I'm reading your god loomis and downloading vilppu videos.

>>5146686
The director of Lodoss OVA Did one of my favorite japan animator expo shorts, comedy skit1989. He is quite amazing.
https://myanimelist.net/anime/206/Lodoss-tou_Senki__Eiyuu_Kishi_Den/characters#staff
I didn't know he did the designs for chaploo too. I'm glad you brought him up. apparently he has a new directorial for this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdSBdVCzz4o&feature=emb_title
The rock track sounds really cheesy, but I like how the princess looks like the cute assassin from 1989.

>>5150378
more imaginative camera angle, better composition. it's very flat because there's hardly any overlap, so no illusion of depth. all the detail is in the top half of the image, the rope work is practically all in one place. you could cut the image off at her pelvis and have practically the same image. the colors are really dead and the pattern is horrible at any "non-even" multiple of size because of the moireing effects. nitpicks are the facial expression is boring, the eyes and brows could be emoting more. the glasses look upside down. i was going to say it looks like a shitty deviantart tier anime image, but in fact, deviant art has better work https://www.deviantart.com/tag/shibari

it's a bad figure drawing in general, you/they spent too much time copying an aesthetic and post processing that doesn't matter instead of actually learning fundies. so it looks like those shitty latino artists that copy retro anime styles or dragonball instead of learning to draw.

>fell for the design doll meme
>now can't quit using it
>still can't into anatomy.

I feel like a hack

>>5142965
Anything before I start painting?

>>5150548
Thank you so much,
I think i drew the boxes wrong like you said and I didn't quite explain it to you well, I wanted her to be twisting a lot, see pic, her pelvis is leading away from the camera but the torso turns and it goes to the side.
Hopefully this is a better example than before and what I wanted to achieve. Basically the pelvis box is more oblique the torso box is more facing the camera with the top and bottom planes being invisible due to perspective. I didn't mean for them to be more inline like your fix, I wanted some twisting.
Is this a bad idea?
Can i still do this?

Also the shoulders are actually covered up by ponytail so that's why it looked weird, it would be more noticeable if i colored it. Also yeah i really could've done the arms better, to be honest i wasn't sure what to do with them

>>5151130
her left leg is way longer than her right leg. the two hair curls in front of her body look too repetitively patterned and unnatural in context of the hair behind her being seemingly affected by the wind

>>5151130
wrists on hips is a dumb pose
https://twitter.com/ClickAgain/status/1309019239920136192

>>5151233
If you're gonna draw top down construction to figure out perspective, I find it helps to draw 'perspective' lines from the viewing point to figure out the proportions of how much of each thing you see. Though looking at the quality of my work I would say you should just practice from looking at drawings that don't suck and don't listen to me.

>>5151130
You need some line weight variation here Anon. It’s hard to differentiate between aspects of the picture especially hair and clothing

>>5151234
Ok, I'm not too sure about the leg desu but I'll see to shorten it a bit
>>5151273
What makes it dumb? I know people irl who rest their hands like that.
Idk I like it, maybe I just drew it wrong
>>5151289
Ok

>>5151130
is louise your waifu?
you draw her a lot

>>5151134
Why did you break her legs and leave her in the corner to die?

>>5150690
Good for you, anon.
Good luck in your endeavors.

>>5149439
>>5146080
>>5145869
>>5144277
>>5143866
.

>>5151330
>waifu
No, I'm not into that
I just like drawing her desu and I don't have many characters I like to draw

>>5148033
Drawing construction lines but then not actually using them to maintain consistency is such a common mistep, I posted this a couple of threads ago but i think it could help here.

Use the construction lines as a quick and dirty illusion of form, use them to maintain believable perspective, then build the planes of the face apon them.


I think it'd be benificial to to use a smaller brush width aswell.

>>5151351
I like how you stylized the old man, anon

>>5149095
Is that Coraline? I love the book and movie.

How come there are people autistic enough to come to our thread just to be mad?

>>5151351
don't wanna be rude but maybe try some more angles?
These are pretty basic, try some more tilting and extreme angles
That said I like how you did the old men faces and showed some great form with the fighter dude on the left

>>5151134
the right feet seems to be in a different angle from her leg, her arm is a bit short and her right shoulder should be visible unless she was pushing her arm to support her then it should be visible too at leas her hand also the wall is so close to her that it looks like shes clipping her body into it

>>5151351
Pretty rad

>>5151015
tism

>>5149864

you fool, stop learning to draw anime from white people, learn from asians with asian genes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko3Zaw8zffk&feature=youtu.be

>>5151475
sorry, I spent the whole day reading loomis and trying to not fall asleep watching vilppu.

>>5151130
her right foot (and legs) seem awkwardly placed/rotated. Why not just let her right foot point straight or a bit to the right?

>>5151273
it makes my pp become big pp so it's not dumb.

how

>>5151532

how long

>>5150499
gesture

>>5150566
>>5150606
I'll never understand how people can read and know about this shit and then unironically argue that all nips become god-tier artists by 18 even if they've never drawn in their lives. They have just as many NGMI malders as anyone else.

>>5151549

>>5151564
Average asian can become good in 2 years by applying themselves slightly.
Average western never gets good unless they were drawing from childhood under great masters.
Asian genes meme is very real, even the only artists who have made it out of /asg/ were asian all along.

>>5151571
How asian do you have to be?
I was born in south asia, can I make it?

>>5151564
you mean the crabs i'm talking about?
they were largely from western twitter.

>>5151571
I can't believe you people really believe this stuff.

>>5151576
Just draw anon. Anyone can make it if they know how to learn and what they should be studying.

do you have any guides on drawing twinks or attractive guys?

>>5146686
Nobuteru Yuuki drew your pic. He worked on the show as a character designer and illustrator. He's the guy You Yoshinari WISHES he could draw like.

>>5151576
Yes, there is plenty of amazing SEA artists.
>>5151579
I can't believe people cannot believe it, we see examples of this every single day!

Well anon, you did master half of the heavy lifting that goes in anime right?
After all, we might just be the ones who got better books.

>>5151645
>Well anon, you did master half of the heavy lifting that goes in anime right?
And what is that?

>>5151015
how you have not improved at all is genuinely baffling to me

>>5151625
People don't believe it because they're seeing gains and drawing well without asian jeans and / or they know from experience or from testimony that the way people get good is through a proper work and / or study mindset, which is something that is drilled into a lot of asian youth (and minority / immigrant youth more widely) from a young age. These people aren't just drawing for an hour a week and goofing off and getting good that way. They're studying carefully and drawing as much as they can.

This kind of weird faux-scientific determinist mindset won't get you anywhere. You'll end up blaming your issues in art on some weird intrinsic inability to be good rather than a bad mindset, inept teaching / theory, lack of time invested, or any of the *other* things that *actually* cause you to be bad.

How do you expect to get good at art when you're blaming the reason why you're bad on something that doesn't even matter? It's like someone deciding that they'll never be good at singing because they walk with a limp. It's silly, irrelevant, and wastes your time. Go to /mmg/ and ask the people there to post their work. There's lots of great artists in that thread that don't have asian jeans helping them out.

>>5151688
I know this mindset is extremely harmful to me, but its what I see everywhere I go and is a fact I just can't deny. I'm bitter because despite putting a lot of time and work I'm still crap. I hate myself for not being able to do good artwork despite putting all my effort into it.

>>5151692
>I'm bitter because despite putting a lot of time and work I'm still crap. I hate myself for not being able to do good artwork despite putting all my effort into it.

This is your first problem. If you want to get out of this, consider taking a guilt-free approach to art. I've seen a lot of people get into drawing because they want to be "the best" or something similar, and they always, without fail, burn out and either quit drawing altogether or transition to a far healthier mindset before getting back into it. You can save yourself a lot of time by taking complete ownership of your work and time-utilization--both the good parts and the bad.

I was like this when I first started out, and the one thing that helped me more than anything else was owning my time and deciding that if I really didn't want to draw, then I wouldn't, and if I really did want to draw, then I would. If I felt like drawing when friends were going out, I'd stay in and draw. If I should have drawn but felt like playing videogames, I'd go "screw it" and play videogames. It turned art into something other than a chore or a "necessity," and though I wasn't going all-in all the time (which is another meme, you don't need to do this either), it helped me really "own" my ability to art and exercise it when I wanted to.

From there, you can change your mindset to focus on the act of drawing and make it into a pleasurable activity that you will *want* to do rather than feel like you *have* to do. Your initial art will be bad, and it will be bad for a long time.

It's also worth noting that people have different life circumstances. Comparing your progress to someone else only works if you two live in the same place, have the same access to instruction, and have the same amount of hours in the day to draw. For all you know, you're comparing yourself to someone with rich parents that pay for good teachers and give them all the time in the world to just draw and do nothing else.

>>5151692
>>5151702
All this is to say, focus on *your* art within the context of *your* life and *your* time. Who cares about someone else taking a year to get better while you take five? Do you want *their* art, or do you want art that *you* like and that *you* think looks good? Not everyone has to be a wunderkind, and the vast majority of people aren't going to care about how young you are or how long it took for you to get good. They're just going to care about whether or not your art resonates with them in some way.

Don't let popularity or time invested by others or even "skill" get in the way of the art you want to make. In the end, none of these things even matter. Good art can come from anyone. Good art can come from (You).

What is generally the work flow to drawing at a competent level.
What are the steps one should take from the first day of drawing?

>>5151702
I barely have time as it is (I'm not a neet). If I don't use my scarce free time to draw I'm not gonna achieve any progress whatsoever or even regress heavily, I take full ownership of this time utilization already.

I don't wanna be the very best or any of that, I just want to be able to draw what I want to draw in a half decent way instead of different configuration of several mistakes.

>>5151707
The time I can allocate to art is extremely limited and my progress is extremely small, my time is running out and with my current progress I'm gonna be dead before I can even manage to achieve art that I can like within my lifetime. I really don't care about numbers, popularity or money because none of those things will help my art get better in the end.

>>5151717
Then that's the hand you were dealt anon, it isn't anything to be ashamed of. The real question is if you know this is the case, why are you comparing yourself to people who are neets or in school and can dedicate half their day to drawing?

Your real start, if you want life circumstances more amenable to drawing, would be finding some ways to loosen up your schedule, if you're serious about making art. Find another job with better hours if you can, or one that lets you sit and draw on the job. Cut back on other activities. Whatever your life allows. Or, just make the most of the time you have.

>>5151727
>Cut back on other activities
Already did this, I just work and draw while posting during commute mostly.
>Finding some ways to loosen up your schedule, if you're serious about making art. Find another job with better hours if you can, or one that lets you sit and draw on the job.
None of these are choices or will be in the forseeable future.
>Just make the most of the time you have.
This is my only choice, and isn't making the cut

>>5151712
>>5151717
why are you so obsessed with "progress"? just draw shit you like and enjoy yourself. study the boring nonsense when you have a surplus of jolly good energy, ignore it the rest of the time.

So we all agree that copying is BAD, right?

>>5151741
I can't draw what I would like because I'm bad, from perspective to backgrounds to drapery without counting proportion and anatomy. If I'm not progressing either despite putting work it's a terrible prospect as well, it means I'm doing something terribly wrong or that I'm just absolutely incapable of art, first one can be fixed but if I'm already clueless solving these things will take a lot of time, experimenting, practice and being exposed to the right things so its back to square one while the second is always a lingering fear on the back of my mind. You really can't expect me to be happy for putting out shit art.

>>5142965
Is there a higher quality version of that imgur pic?

>>5146099
That looks pretty good man! I hope I can make it there someday. Keep at it!

I was having fun copying artwork that I really like so I could use it for my own, but I keep freaking out that I'm using shitty techniques so I never carry out my original plans, then drawing stops being fun and basically I want to kill myself right now. I have a lot of fun doing things the way I know how but I don't allow it. It's not allowed. No. Not allowed to have fun. No fun allowed.

>>5151709
This is a question that should be answered but never is. It's a fucking crime that it isn't, it steals years from people.

>>5142988
She’s always had health issues, afaik, 4 open heart surgeries or so. Three people in my family passed away from cancer and it has always been unexpected, though. That’s what pushed me to finally to something with my life, you don’t know how much time you have left so being satisfied with your current life and achievements is extremely important. Keep pushing.

>>5152325
you could start.
What did you do or what would you recommend others starting from square one to do to reach /int/?

>>5152339
I'm feeling actual suicidal urges from my drawing experiences lately so I'm probably not the person to ask

>>5151688
Extremely based

>>5151645
>better books.
give me the name of 5 good ones.

>>5142965
Where is the rendering general? I want to learn how to paint too

>>5146282
There is no social media platform where people don't have salty thoughts about people's good artwork. There are simply no consequences for vocalizing them here.

>>5152709

dead
go to >>5024522
or >>5034220 though

>>5151666
how

Who here has the guide for hands?

>>5153043
look down

>>5152581
not him but pirate or purchase books of sketches from your favorite artists. you'd be surprised how many of them compile sketches.
this is honestly what catapulted my own art.

>>5153109
well i fucked up the spoiler somehow so i will now flee the thread in shame.

>>5153114
>>5153109
SHAME!

>>5153114
/ic/ doesn't support spoilers

>>5153109
pyw

>>5151741

>>5153559
This is a poorly auto-translated version of some random person's opinion. Why are we supposed to care about this?

>>5153568
>random person's opinion
>he doesn't know

>>5153701
my mistake, random chink with little dick

>>5143704

why do you stop posting on ic? ihave seen lots of people that used to post really often here and then they disappeared....

>>5147506
For the greys try with whatever you feel like trying and if it gets the job done and you feel comfortable with it, then use it.
Don't be afraid to experiment, to try new things and to keep practicing just like with that manga panel.
Good luch Anon!

>>5153718
Because I might very well be one of the worst artists on /ic/ and I'm deeply ashamed of my lack of progress

>>5151400
No no it's from a new original series: Wonder Egg Priority!
She does looks like coraline now that you mentioned it tho...

>>5153701
they disagree with your asian jeans memery lmao, imagine getting owned by the guy you brought in for proof

>>5150825
>still can't into anatomy.
Eventually you will. Patience and keep practicing.
>I feel like a hack
If it gets the work done, and you are actually improving that doesn't even matter.

>>5153730
>Asian jeans admiting asian jeans are the difference
Does he teach anyone that isn't Japanese? checkmate!

>>5153730
A teacher would never admit some demographic is beyond teaching, since its bad for business.

>>5153729
>>5151400

>>5153734
>>5153740
Why are you guys so desperate to be hopeless?

>>5153765
>Acknowledging facts is considered being hopeless
What a terrible reality

>>5153718
Because they make it

>>5153765
thats because these people dont draw
they draw shit and come here and crab and diss the poor people with enough courage to post their works for critique. Honestly I dont get what you earn sitting here and crab all day.

>>5153786
The only thing you are right about is that I end up crabbing myself a lot, I'm my biggest crab

okay i fixed it up and colored it, how does it look?

Any critique?

>>5153778
>facts
What facts? This is pure delusion.

>>5153786
I don't get it either. This is good drawing time these people could be using.

Only a small amount today

>>5151351

>>5153838
>Most of the good artists are Asian
>Japan, Korea and China churn out great artists non stop
>Every single person with insane artistic progress turns out to be Asian
>Every good artist from western countries turns out to be Asian
>Peter Han, Feng Zhu, Kim Jung Gi and the entire Japanese industry to name a few
Guess its all just a coincidence, to be fair if people were willing to acknowledge this it would be much more productive as to find ways to overcome this instead of rejecting reality and telling people it doesn't matter at all.

>>5153109
So I got an artbook compiling some of my favorite artist Shigenori Soejima, what am I even supposed to do now?

>>5153953
analyze and copy the drawings or paintings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcZaSF4uGRo

Anybody? >>5153813

What should i do differently?
I really try to show forms and get anatomy right what else can i do?

I'm so depressed i've been drawing for 3 years now and im still beg. I wanna give up

artist?

>>5154030
Same here but I don't wanna give up even if it makes me depressed. I have this stupid faith that if I keep trying I'll get good eventually despite all signs pointing me to the contrary and getting reminded every single day I'm trash.

>>5153933
Whatever anon, keep digging that hole I guess. You'll never be good with this determinist attitude.

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>>5154124
>>5154124
>>5154124

>>5154038
MontblanC_9

>>5154205
thank you

>>5153968
Is that gesture drawing what he did at the beginning? damn I guess I should practice it?

>>5154746
you sound too /beg/ to be even be thinking about drawing anime. fundies first.