/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers that seem to have a decent readership and are tolerant of or specifically cater to Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Current Contests and Opportunities:

https://www.manga-audition.com/sma15-moments-of-crying-smiling-or-love-2021-january-silent-manga-audition/

SMA 15 (Deadline: 27th January, 2021)
THEME: “Moments of CRYING, SMILING or LOVE”
>NO DIALOGUE: tell your story through images alone.
>Manuscript: Reading order from the right to left, monochrome only.
>Number of pages: 5 – 17
>Page file size: Not to exceed 2mb
>Genre: Any genre.
>NO plagiarism; nudity; explicit violence, or material that is likely to cause offence.


How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

>>5132899
oh shit, I didn't know about these competitions. Ty for posting these. What a useful section to pin to the op actually, its great for motivation

I did a Reiji Miyajima study. I think the screentones came out so wonky because the canvas was only 72 dpi

>>5133193
Post your reference so that we have a point of comparison

>>5133296

>>5133193

The cheeks look a lot more bent compared to the reference. I also fall into this problem too when studying art that looks Miyajima's. Do you guys have any advice for better improving this?

Nice usage of screentones btw, anon. Where do you download your screentones?

>>5133686
I have no idea how screentones work lol, I just converted a solid color layer to screentones in the layer palette with csp. the one on the right was the original one. The gradient came out too harshly in the screentones and I'm still trying to get a grip on how this all works.

>>5133193
>>5133392
>spent years in shitty art communities telling me studies like this is stealing and bad.
>never tell me HOW to study just how not to study
>start frequenting /ic/
>everyone studies by trying to do what other artists do by copying first and applying to their own work later.
>my very short amount of time on this board has been tearing down the bullshit lessons I was taught by people who didn't know anything but pretended they did
>instantly start noticing a difference in my work after this.
sorry to blog on your post but this one made me realize what has been happening. good study

Can you name an INK that doesn't fade when it's erased?

>>5133803
>start frequenting /ic/
>everyone studies by trying to do what other artists do by copying first and applying to their own work later.

Personally I don't do this, but it's not stealing. I just analyze and then apply immediately. If you've trained your analytical eye well enough you don't need to copy nearly as much.

That said, anyone who tells you that master studies are "stealing" is silly.

do digital inking brushes for manga need to replicate brushes used irl or you can basically use any available brushes?

>>5133803
just remember that Vilppu credits his career to copying the old masteres for an hour a day, every day, before working on his own art.

There's no reason to be afraid of copying, in fact its probably the quickest way to improve. just also remember to draw from life and photo references as well.

>>5133825
the defaults are the defaults because they just werk
if you want to spice it up a bit, then you start messing with custom brushes.

what do you think of dorothy?

Traditional g-pen inking is so fucking hard especially when it comes to making long curves, how the fuck do mangaka do it?

>>5134857
How do chefs chop things so quickly and nicely?

>>5134857
shame they didn't tell us about this contest a few months ago...

>>5135208
Which contest?

>>5133392
>>5133193
If you’re gonna do an inking/toning study. Then trace the original image, and focus on the linework.

In other words, use a pencil and set the original to low opacity, and trace over it loosely (and I mean loosely, shouldn’t take you more than 1-2mins), then convert your lines to blue or red, set the original next to yours, and start inking, carefully referencing the linework each time you put down a line.

If you’re gonna do a stylization study. Don’t copy original art. For characters, find a reference study of a real human, and find the reference of the style you wanna imitate, and draw the study in the style you wanna make.

For an anatomy/construction study, don’t study off of someone else’s artwork, you won’t learn anything. Find poses specifically made for study, and draw 10-20 sketches while focusing in on your particular weak point. Start out by copying, and then rotate whatever it is you’re studying in 3D space.

If you can’t rotate things in your head yet, then you need to focus more on perspective.

At your current level, I suggest you do no.3 a lot more. It should be part of your daily drawing routine. Like, before you go do “fun stuff” do that first.

>>5136138
thank you, this is really good info.

>>5134857
by using multiple strokes for long curves

Someone in another thread posted Xavier Houssin's CSP brush set. Since that might be highly helpful for the illustrators in this thread, I'm spreading it here too. Be sure to give thanks to the original anon at >>5136900

mega nz/file/6w4k1Q6Q#WGDdx9l3GMZiXs5k1YdwiZ-xDQlBcDTCSNGBMWJHf9I

I finally finished my little one shot manga I didn’t get done in time for the Tezuka Manga Contest a while back. Feels good!!!!

>>5138298
That bunny girl on the top is hot.
I would have read your shit if she was the focus of your manga.

>>5138298
can you post a link for it?

bump

>>5138319
lmaooooo

>>5134232
I can't tell the gender.

>>5138298
That's really cool man! Keep at it

Manga is dead. Make a webtoon thread.

>>5138864
I only have it up on Gumroad right now but I’ll link it with the free code if you wanna get the PDF: https://gum.co/ducky
The code is “pibfriends”

>>5135263
ah sorry that emotions one that ends on Jan 27th or something

>>5133810
Kuretake black 60 iirc, mostly inks thta you use with dip pens

>>5141854
That one's been at the top of the thread for months anon, I have no idea how you didn't see it until now

>>5134857
Patience and practice. There's a bit of a learning curve but doing consistent strokes help.

>>5140976
Fuck off retard.

>>5136138
These are very good tips anon, thanks a lot. Do you recommend any particular exercises in the same fashion to study perspective?

are the people in this general as nice as the other anime practice thread?

>>5143215
if you mean /asg/, I don't know if I'd call the people in that thread "nice"

>>5140976
Found the low iq ,phoneposter.

you will never make a manga

>>5143232
Even if this is true, the fact that this thread has some of the more skilled / helpful artists on this board makes up for it.

>>5132895
Anyone know any additional resources for manga making outside of what's in the OP?

>>5132895
Where is a good place to publish/post your manga?

>>5143232
I literally have already.

>>5143232
I have too!

>>5143506
>>5143511
its not a manga by definition unless its been published in japan. you made a webcomic that apes japanese style

>>5143529
Reminder to not take this bait.

>>5141848
Bruh, why is it 1.9 gigs?

>>5143529
this is true

>>5132895
Hey anons. you may draw good but how is your writing skills?
any progress on making 'good dialogues'?

>>5143529
lol

>>5143529
>unless its been published in japan.
I literally have.

>>5143714
pyw then prove it

>>5143715
I literally live in Japan and was in talks with a Shounen Jump editor last month. He said to me, “we’ve had other foreigners come to Shueisha in the past but we’ve rejected them outright, but given your current Japanese skill, and the quality of your work I believe you’ve got a chance at debuting in Shounen Jump.” And he gave me his business card. Said “come back to me with your story polished and cut down to 45 pages,” which is what I’m currently working on.

That aside, I’ve worked on several manga, some of which I’ve posted in Japanese on Japanese sites for manga.

Me aside, there’s like 6 or so westerners who just won Tezuka and had their work printed in Jump. It’s really not that hard to get published in Japan, especially if you live here. The greater accomplishment is actually finishing a story and printing it, regardless of where you do it. Which is what most people are doing ITT.

Fuck off with your demoralization nonsense bro. If anyone should be posting work, it should be you with that attitude of yours. If you’re gonna crab, find a different thread to shit up.

>>5143628
>how is your writing skills?
Improving.

>>5143725
Based. Btfo.

>>5140976
>The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making and Manga-style illustration.
This thread doubles as that.

>>5143725
Could you give me a link to your manga?

I would like to see more of your work

>>5133803
>>5133803
>copying is stealing
>study
>stealing
what absolute autism is going on in those places? where were you spending your time???

>>5143232
>>5143529
>Shitpost on /ic/
>Get called out and look like a sperg
Holy shit baiting on /ic/ is literally the easiest board to mess with people and you ended up fucking it up and getting btfo’d
Holy shit this is fucking amazing kill yourself retard
>>5143725
absolutely based

>>5143529

>>5143928
>Holy shit baiting on /ic/ is literally the easiest board to mess with people and you ended up fucking it up and getting btfo’d

it's harder to bait in /mmg/ than most other parts of this board because the people here actually know how to draw LUL

Love how the shitposter just tucked his tail between his legs and ran off the moment he got btfo. Like a little bitch.

Something I made

>>5144901
ended up rushing it since I started drawing this at 11 PM and wanted it done before 12 AM

>>5134857
Get yourself some firm/hard G-pen nibs. When you get comfortable you can move on to regular nibs.

>>5144917
>rushing
ngmi

>>5145245
I spent an hour on it and followed a strict deadline to get it done, how am I not gonna make it?

pens for this kind of work?

>>5143231
>>5143169
Dead medium

>>5145693
Dunnolol. That looks loke a nice drill press tho.

>>5145298
if you rush it it's not going to look good, ever. nobody likes rushed things. an editor will think you are not taking your job seriously. the japanese get away with it because they have assistants. the main guy will draw like a head and his personal army will do the rest.

>>5145693
crow quills

>>5145703
>largest industry in the world for sequential art
>dead
Room temperature IQ post

>>5135208
What is the crow's beak holder?

And what is the the glass rod for?

>>5143923
the specific place I spent a lot of my time was the /co/ /hyw/ threads. I stopped frequenting there when i realized that their goal was to form a community of people who complain about not getting work done, instead of actually getting work done. I've gone through entire projects in the time it's taken some of them to finish their first chapter drafts. It's pathetic and i'm happy I'm starting to dismantle their awful advice.

>>5143725
based anon. you seem like quality jump material.

>Me aside, there’s like 6 or so westerners who just won Tezuka and had their work printed in Jump.
I regret not spending my summer making a tezuka one shot. I storyboarded it but never got past that stage because I didn't want to get caught up remaking my manga instead of staying on course.

>>5140613
she's just kinda like that.

>>5133803
leonardo da vinci spent his entire life copying from nature, he opened up people and risked dying from infections for the sole purpose of copying how muscles looked attached to bone

guess how many people called him a hack, a fraud, insane and thief ( hundreds)
guess how many fucks he gave ( neanche uno )

>>5146587
>he opened up people and risked dying from infections for the sole purpose of copying how muscles looked attached to bone
undeniably based

>>5146587
i toscani sono sempre stati fuori di testa
(tuscany italians have always been nuts)

>>5146142
>>5146142
>crow's beak holder
it says outlines. but i'd like to see the proper tool and how it is used.

>glass rod
it's a ruler that you can roll around more comfortably than a normal ruler. when you draw straight lines you have to take certain precautions with your inks, or any wet medium (picrel, for instance. with the rod you can rest the brush or the nib holder at an angle and go for it.). i guess it's helpful for speed lines.

and after you're done you can stick it up your ass.

>>5132895
Tried copying a manga page from NNB, this was pretty fun but I didn't know how to "ink" the greys since it has lots of them, should I get like some markers or somth?

>>5148406
you should train both your eye and your hands first

what do you place your manga paper on top of? Some people use a manga paper ramp!

>>5148649
Nice dinos.

>>5146135
Dead medium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bef9FrEej2o

>>5146135
Honestly this is probably Webtoons now but I agree with the sentiment.

>>5143725
Original baiter here. If you're not bullshitting (i still suspect you might be) that is very impressive. I kneel. Can you link any work you have online.

>>5149224
most webtoons are shit.... but most manga are shit too. too much emphasis on pleasing fujos and kimootas, not enough true artistic motivation

>>5143725
Based and impressive.

Anyone up to give thoughts on some storyboard drafts? the dialogue might be a bit nonsensical to anyone who hasn't read any previous chapters though. also read left to right

imgur.com/a/SpyR52U

>>5149241
Lmao he's not, he has posted before about how hes meetings with Shueshia's have been. Even talked to the current editor of Black Clover if i'm not mistaken.

>>5143725
By the way anon how is your japanese right now? I'm wondering if you have to have an n2 level or something like that to make them at least look your work.

>>5149781
>kimootas
Is this some kind of korean term?

has anyone from this general "made it" yet

>>5150897
No one on this entire board even knows what "making it" is supposed to mean.

>>5149781
>not enough true artistic motivation
true artistic motivation typically doesn't put food on the table, sadly. don't forget that for a lot of mangaka the success of their work is their only financial security.

not expecting this to go anwhere but.

>>5151431
good luck, anon

>>5151431
Keep us posted, anon, even if you hear nothing from them. I've been mildly interesting in submitting a pitch but unsure if it's worth stopping production on stuff I'm doing already to cook one up, so I want to know more about it.

>>5145693
That looks digital to me tho...

bump (I bump when its been 15 hrs since the last post, sry)

>>5152021
shit i didnt even think it might be digital thatd explain alot

>>5153770
Is this your work anon? I like the face.

>>5153794
No. I wish I drew that well

>>5143725
Good luck with your story! I hope you get in and I'm really looking forward to checking out your stuff when you make it into Jump, anon!

Just finished this illustration up. Had a really fun time working on it and I'm happy with the fact that my painting is finally starting to come along in some respect.

Sorry I'm new here.
I want to make a long page doujinshi that's porn.
How do i know what poses or paneling works best?
What's the best guides or books for this?

>>5154247
What do you mean by long page? Like webtoons format?

And for paneling read Scott Robertson books about comics. For poses, anything dynamic that looks hot to you. Study from artists you like

>>5154258
thank you, is that for manga style? I feel like it's for comics and not manga

>>5133803
Twitterfags are the fucking worst.
Go to any museum in Europe and you’ll see serious students studying old masters in situ.

>>5154270
It's the same shit. Style is the main difference, but the same fundamental principles apply to both.

>>5154292
ok thanks

>>5154287
>any museum in Europe
More like "any museum." Even in the US this is done literally all the time. Some art schools mandate that you do it.

Are there any manga artists, professional or well-renowned amateurs, who ink with multiliners or plastic nib pens rather than more conventional tools like pic related?

>>5155375
Damn, I can't even imagine how much of a faggot you'd have to be to make something like that.

>>5155566
...Toriyama made that

>>5155585
Kek. Was I supposed to know this faggot? Honestly surprised it wasn't some absolute hipster faggot. Shitty kiddy cartoons isn't much better tho.

>>5155375
What exactly is a french curve for

>>5155613
Nekkid french grills

>>5155613
smooth curves that need to be exact. example: effect lines

>>5155611
>Kek. Was I supposed to know this faggot?
dude, why are you even here?

>>5155702
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T HECKIN BROWSE MY PERSONAL SAFE SPACE IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY HECKIN CHILDHOOD ANIMAY

>>5155705
toriyama is objectively a respectable artist. I dont even like anime, you dont have to like something to recognise it. but go nuts, arguing on an anime website, on the art board, about an artist, that draws anime.

>>5155705
I never said that you can't browse a board without knowing anything about the topic, I'm just pointing out that doing so and then being loudly wrong makes you look like an idiot.

It's like going into a capeshit board and dunking on Jack Kirby without knowing who he is, or going into a cartooning board and accidentally dunking on Charles Schulz. No one can stop you from doing it, but you're only hurting yourself by immediately proving that you have no idea what the fuck is going on.

>>5155611
>doubles down
Ok tourist lurk moar

>>5155613
Cars in perspective!

>>5155705
>>5155611
Do you really have nothing better to do that whore for attention on a manga making thread? Really?

>>5154270
Paneling is paneling, it's just composition rules. However, scott mccloud does go over how manga is different from american comics in one of his books, (cant remember if that is in Making Comics or Understanding Comics) so you can learn general paneling rules and then study his section on manga so you know how to get the same feel.

Oh, another good book for comics is the Framed Ink series, by the way.

>>5155854
>then study his section on manga so you know how to get the same feel.
A better idea would be to study manga themselves. If you want it to feel authentic, you study the subject itself, you don't study the subject through the lens of an outside perspective (expert or not).

>>5155757
>>5155831
>being elitist about children's comics
lmoa, can't make this shit up

>>5155375
pretty much everyone uses multiliners these days, anon. the ones who use dip pens do so because "muh tradition". brushes give better values if you want that.

>>5155871
You sound like you should go back to /asg/

>>5156388
your bait diminishes in quality with each post lol

>>5143725
fuck im sorry for doubting this thread
I KNEEL

>>5156505
I've never visited /asg/. Is that something they say too, then?

bump

>>5143725
I haven't seen someone get BTFO this hard in a long time. Keep dabbing on those crabs familia

here 2015 manben in hd 1080p with subs, but the format is .ts can someone encoded it to mp4/mkv please? thanks

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1hEZuDr8-KTUS35QSbL9z1IQsdrZwCUPK?usp=sharing

does anyone have guides on drawing foliage/plants? using the premade brushes feels really cheap and is starting to look samey with how often I have to use them.

>>5159315
based kanamori poster

So I have been doing manga panels but I can seem to only work on grayscale instead of monochrome. On monochrome everything comes out wrong and in grayscale it doesn't look like a manga at all. Whats the deal?

>>5160374
https://tv.creativetalentnetwork.com/glenn-vilppu-environment-and-landscape-sketching

Vilppu's whole thing about drawing plants and foliage is to think of overlapping shapes. Like animation cels. Just one layer over the next. Each layer of shapes can be given a different value to differentiate them. Check out his sketching on location manual too, I think its in the art-book thread.

>>5160507
thank you kanamori senpai

>>5160507
mine seem a lot simplier than his, but I think the point he tries to make is keeping it as simple as possible while keeping it recognizable. I wish I was better at very quickly creating leaf shapes. alot of my leaves look like round blobs

>>5160701
yeah, landscapes are tedious. The lines have to be put down there somehow. The only way to make more interesting shapes is to draw more from reference, i guess.

>>5160711
I'll accept the tedium if it means I can make something that's mine rather than an image that could be bought in the CSP workshop. hell, it's simplier but I think it looks a lot better than what I made originally

>>5160637
Is ponytail girl sitting on a dildo?

Any criticism or advice on this panel?

>>5154165
nice, I like it

>>5160926
asking the important questions I see

>>5161547
which panel? the page in general? perspective looks wonky and your hatching style is too busy on the eyes. makes it look dirty and not in a good way. are you trying to get something like a taiyo matsumoto style?

>>5132895
Yes I know its messy as fuck and looks ugly I dont care I was more focused on the choreography read it like a western comic left to right.
>Black hair punches white hair ducks
>Black hair grabs white's head and knees him in the head

>>5161789
This page in general, but yes exactly actually taiyo is a huge inspiration. And what do you mean busy in the eyes ?

>>5161821
With busy in the eyes, I mean it's kind of a strain to watch every panel where you have the hatching on the background, because it doesn't feel that you want me to look at something in particular. It's a background/foreground kinda thing. You can have detailed stuff in your backgrounds, but you have to know how to get people to look at the stuff you want them to see. I don't know if you want me to look at the characters or at the walls.

Check Jiro Matsumoto, he has a "messy" style that manags to be quite beautiful on its own. The subject matters on his manga are fucking wild though.
>tfw nobody is going to translate all of the alice manga, never ever

Also, advice on the mid-right panels, the 4x4 section... You are making me read it from top to bottom but that doesn't register until you notice the dialogue feels wonky, and you were reading it wrong... I'd suggest you to grab a book about comic theory, like Will Eisner''s or Scott Mc Cloud's, and expand your comic reading to western stuff because not all manga has really good panel flow... Get more seinen and josei and some non superhero type graphic novels, probably stuff published by Fantagraphics. It might seem like hipster trash at first but I'm seeing you aren't really into shonen crap, which is good in my eyes.

Also kudos for mentioning Talk Talk.

>messing with storyboards and scripts over the last month for hours a day
>no actual progress toward completion cause rewrote 5 or 6 times so far
still learned a lot and it doesn't feel like a waste at all, but it's very slow going.

also pic related is a snippet of araki's storyboards. do most pros do really quick and rough boards like this? up till now i've been putting a lot of detail into mine, spent a whole day once for just 8 or 9 pages

>>5161964
Naoki Urasawa, in one of the manben episodes, had very well-drawn storyboards. He said he couldn't stand to draw any other way, or he'd be angry

>>5161547
I dont have the technical knowledge to really add anything other than I like your stuff.

>>5160926
of course

https://www.udemy.com/course/manga-art-school-anime-and-manga-style-character-drawing/?utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=udemyads&utm_campaign=CharacterDesign_v.PROF_la.EN_cc.ROW_ti.5002&utm_content=deal4584&utm_term=_._ag_85479011234_._ad_437497336779_._kw__._de_c_._dm__._pl__._ti_dsa-774930038569_._li_9069833_._pd__._&matchtype=b&gclid=Cj0KCQiAmL-ABhDFARIsAKywVacXIEiKXCNSuwB5V13HZMLfTMcJJI4ZkJFN7zLuKzoAHvDyhHGYjLYaApVqEALw_wcB
anyone got this cracked?
or any manga course really

>>5162079
absolutely based

>>5161801
That kind of paneling (the flat, held shot) works when the you're holding the same shot, and implies a consistent amount of time between panels. The goal of it is generally to contrast with more dynamic action paneling and create an almost clinical clarity to an action. Basically, you fucked it up by having the 2nd panel be a different close up of a character from a completely different angle, then going straight back to the held shot for the next two panels. If you change that 2nd panel to the same held shot as the other 3 then it'll probably work a lot better.

>>5161964
>do most pros do really quick and rough boards like this?
They work on their storyboards like they have literally 1 day to submit a complete chapter and that the whole chapter might be thrown out and they have to do it again, only they don't get an extension on their 1 week deadline for a finished manuscript so every time they have to do more work on their storyboard they have less time to ink it. Yes, they work as fast as they humanly can on their storyboards. They scribble that shit. Note that Naoki frames his statement here >>5162005 like it's unusual to draw detailed storyboards. Also note that Naoki inks incredibly quickly and with a simple art style, so has the time to burn on his storyboards.

>>5161858
oooh ok i see what your saying i greatly appreciate it. Freesia, Ping Pong, Blame are my biggest inspirations for art (just noticed Jiro Matsumoto and Taiyō Matsumoto are brothers) While story Himizu and Punpun i'm going for. Thank you for the advice dude. Im gonna study hard on panelling

>>5162491
>>5162491
I see that make's sense that was a filler panel because I made that one after I realized it was blank.

>>5162554
>just noticed Jiro Matsumoto and Taiyō Matsumoto are brothers
That actually true? Same family name (kanji and all) but I can't find any acknowledgment that they're siblings. Might just be a case of shared names.

>>5162600
i swear i just read it and now i cant find the article rip

>>5150472
I still need opinions on these storyboards. I'm still really unsure of them and I'm already starting on the scene I am set on.

I might find an excuse to change the context of the info dumps and swap scenes so the third scene happens in a more exciting place and the other info dump flows into the final scene a bit better.

>>5150472
>>5163042
I don't really get the story but the panels flow fine. I could understand it all totally okay. The dialogue and interactions are all also pretty believable, it reads like something I would get out of a popular webtoon. The only thing is, feel like you need to fix or cut your first scene. The hallmark of a good scene and turning point is:

1. Surprise
2. Curiosity
3. Insight
4. New Direction.

I suggest looking up robert mckee if you don't know what I'm talking about

The end of your first scene ended with two characters agreeing to meet at a night church somewhere and two girls verbally competing over a boy. But that doesn't really offer any drama. The other girl didn't really seem to phase our mc over Paton, so I'm not really sure what the storyline about the dance and paton is about. If its not significant enough, I wouldn't dedicate a whole scene to it. The other thing that happened in that scene is two characters agreeing to meet somewhere to divulge some information, but if that's the point of the scene, you could just cut it entirely and start at the night church. (then you would have to find some other way to show that boxers and bras were being stolen).

The night church scene read much better than the first. Still, you could add more to the scene, as always. (how much more and what to add would depend on you, I don't know your story)

If you just wanted a crit on your storyboards I think you did really good. But if you wanted a crit on your writing I think you could do well to rethink your scenes. Find a way to add more dramatic significance to each of them. Conflict doesn't mean: BATTLE. Conflict just means "INTERRUPTION". And in the first scene our protagonist barely had to face many significant interruptions to their action.

(take my crits with a grain of salt, I'm a hobbyist myself)

think i ruined it fuck i hate myself

Is it okay to draw some stuff digitally, print it, ad details with physical tools, scan it, and finish it digitally?

Didn't Inio Asano did this often?

>>5164542
>"also do you have a hair tie?"
Come on now nigga, nobody talks like this. Also, if you have the characters use some sort of accent or slang you should probably make them stick to it better imo, they're alternating between hoodrat and academia level grammar.

Do you guys think a lot of mangaka actually study things like anatomy and rendering once they get published, or do they mostly just continue to draw manga and approve solely from that mileage?

Also I work from reference very often when drawing 1-3 characters at a time, but when it’s time to draw my comic commissions I use very little reference and the drawings turn out noticeably wonkier. Is this the wrong thing to do? I feel like searching for more references when drawing comic pages makes it take far longer than it should, but I do want to improve

>>5164681
Of course they do, look at early berserk, claymore, AoT artwork compared to later on and realize that mangaka improve in ways that can only be brought about by continued studying. Especially anatomy because some of them didn't even know what that was in the beginning.

>>5164655
I say that all the time and i thought it sounded natural, but i see what ur saying, im not sure how to write dialogue as this is my first time. Any tips how to make it more natural?

>>5164652
ye

>>5164725
Fair even if I no longer like Berserk's art, I feel it took a step back while AoT has moved forward. The comics I have to do require color and I really want to do greyscales instead. Oh well, one day when I have the time to also draw pages on my own accord. My skill is just kinda low so they take a long time to do

>>5164730
For a very rough rule of thumb, try to say everything each character is saying out loud, maybe with someone else like a script but talking to yourself is also fine. Does it sound like something someone would actually say and flow like a conversation between panels?
For example, a hoodrat who says "yo where ya been at" would probably say "oh it's cool, don't worry about it" or "don't sweat it" instead of "no worries" in a conversation. Does that make sense?

>>5140976
Based

>>5150674
>the current editor of Black Clover
Why the hell is some fag on 4chan getting recognition from a big name company

>>5164796
Pretty sure hes like 29, a grown adult whos doing things with his life
Who cares, also this is one of the far better threads on /ic/

Why does every single western aims for Jump or other important magazines every time?
I would be happy with just my manga getting published in less popular magazines.

>>5164737
Yeah current Berserk leaves a little to be desired in the SOUL department, but at least the characters don't look like ayys anymore.
And if you are doing comic commissions I would say to use as much reference as you can, even if it takes longer. It's not so much for them as it is to lay your own foundations. The longer you spend time on stuff now, the less you'll need to later on. Any examples of work?

>>5164811
I don't really care I'm just a bit suprised

>>5164835
Jump and the important magazines are the ones who expanded their marketing into and have the most recognition in the west.
Small magazines are limited to Japan and are barely known.

>>5164845
You shouldn't. People who dont know 4chan much at all make such assumptions that everyone on this site is worthless. Its just a place to post anonymously relating to our interests
>>5164843
Sure I'll post two works. First will be a sketch I spent maye two hours on, second will be one I spent several, first only reference for the boobs on the left, second was pose referenced

>>5164843
Trying to get into backgrounds more

>>5138298
How on earth did you write 52 pages in only a month?

>>5164773
Perfect advice, I greatly appreciate it dude this is exactly what I needed. I will be better

>>5164861
>>5164863
Thanks for the pyw, not bad but at this stage I'd say fundamentals are the absolute priority, particularly anatomy, perspective and rendering because the second pic is ultra wack in that regard. And gesture will eliminate the need for poseref in the future, so pay attention to that too. Studying these on your own time will make drawing from imagination much better, and building on fundamentals makes using refs much faster. Good luck!
>>5164968
Keep at it dude, you will GMI

>>5165056
Yeah I thought so about the fundies. Anatomy I know will start to come better naturally but perspective I'm worried about, hopefully that improves over the years. Maybe I'm trying to rush what I'm able to do with art because I just reached my second year of drawing, but I really do want to "catch up" with the better artists. One day

thinking about learning the manga style, where should I go? like a book or anything could work

>>5148649
Nice dinos.
I used to have a drawing board the size of my table, but it was way too fucking big. Now I'm looking for alternatives. What do you use?

>>5164796
Multiple people in this thread are. It's called "being able to draw well and tell a half-decent story."

>>5132897
>https://www.saturday-am.com/
Why is there so much african characters starring in manga on this website?

i just wanna draw animal themed mechs. ive got this how to draw manga giant robots book from one of the share threads but are there any others someone can link me? ive just been compiling a folder of old MMPR zords for reference but an actual how to book would be nice since i am not very good at drawing.

>>5167607
because they're making manga and (You) are not.

>>5167607
Stop baiting and work on your comic, crab.

>>5164681
Studying isn't just something you do once you've 'made it'. Most skilled artists do their studies daily, often as warm up. Face it, if you want to be good you'll be doing figure drawings, still lives, and master studies forever unless you want to stagnate.

>>5164652
It's okay to straight up use photos as backgrounds. You don't even have to slap a filter over them if the style calls for it. Just make sure you took the picture yourself or that it's a royalty-free photo. Tools, not rules.

>>5167677
>Tools, not rules.
Nice, I was also thinking of creating my own assets on paper and then scanning them, things like all-black tree shapes and stuff that can be useful when composing backgrounds.

Any /3/ anons in here using their 3D knowledge for manga backgrounds?
I basically take google street view pictures of buildings and model them in blender, then I manually select the edges I want to appear as freestyle lines in the render, and use that render layer as lineart for background.
I can also merge all objects into one and export as .obj, import it straight into CSP, but I find it to be slower and clunky.

>>5167491
>Multiple people in this thread are
like who, other than this big shot

>>5164861
>People who don't know 4chan much at all make such assumptions that everyone on this site is worthless
Most people on this site are, lets not kid ourselves.
Nevertheless, it's pretty surprising

>>5133803
Based & animepilled

>>5134857
They use multiple tools & brushes. Not everything is drawn with the same pen

>>5132897
>https://www.saturday-am.com/
Cringe & bluepilled

The American culture is centered around niggers. They have holidays for niggers. They killed hundreds of thousands of white men to free niggers. They listen to nigger music. They elect a nigger as their president. They dress and act like niggers. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from niggers. They post sassy gifs about niggers. They watch sportsball in worship of niggers. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of niggers playing sports. They use nigger slang like "bruh" and "thot". When you say "Martin Luther" they're not thinking of the father of protestantism. They're thinking of the nigger. Their cities are completely overrun with niggers. They worship their ZOGbot police force disproportionately filled with niggers and their global police force of soldiers filled with niggers. Their men sit around watching nigger ball while their women sit around watching nigger talk shows. They worship niggers like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson and the late Mike Tyson while attacking the whites who actually built their country before niggers took over. Their movies are filled with niggers and their music charts are topped by niggers. They send niggers to the Olympics and celebrate when the niggers win because those niggers are true red blooded american niggers. They watch nigger porn to a point where "BBC" does not make them think of an international media company but about nigger penises instead. They will tell you how much they hate niggers and how the mutt's law meme is a stale joke and they are just pretending to love niggers but the evidence speaks for itself in that America has always been and will be a nation of nigger loving niggers.

>>5169265
Holy kek

>>5165435
I actually found an excellent Duraply clipboard for B4 that is very handy for drawing on. I should post my actual table but I'm sure it's not the best setup

>>5140976
Go back to /co/, tumblr dyke

>>5132897
>Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
>Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
Cringe & bluepilled

>>5167607
They are obsessed with BBC

I fucking lost my Gpen

>>5169265
(And that's a good thing)

>>5169242
coomerpilled too

>>5163493
new storyboards for the first scene. some of the second

https://imgur.com/a/Q7RVdPP

>>5169816
I think it’s much much better now. Good job.

>>5169265
nice copycope

where's your manga

>>5169009
Others in here have talked about speaking to publishers before or working in games etc, in some of the older threads.

>>5169816
looks like a good layout but wtf is that text? the grammar is shit and the placing is worse

does anyone have scanned screentone that inio asano usually have used?

Here's some short "comics" I've drawn

>>5170765
Eyes

>>5170770
Here's some stuff for my webnovel I'm trying to write. Its cropped bad I know sorry.
I think I'm good at expressions mainly negative ones.

Is this the right place to ask about drawing desks? I've been upgrading my digital artwork equipment which was kind of easy for me to do due to habit, but I know nothing about art desk brands, what to go and what not to go with.

>>5170832
I mean, if you're working digitally, a desk is a desk. Most digital equipment will come with its own stands or purchasable stands for you to use. If you're working traditionally in some respect, I'd imagine anything that fits in your space and allows you to adjust the incline and won't fall apart in 3 years would work just fine. It's not like buying specific kinds of pens or anything.

>>5170872
I do digital mainly, I haven't worked with traditional in nearly a decade now and want to get back into it, since there's quite a list of drawing tablets to sort through when getting a new one I was wondering if drawing desks had similar go to brands as well as ones to avoid.

>>5170878
A desk is a desk anon, if it's of reasonable quality it'll be fine. It's like buying a storage box; there's no real need to look into "brands."

>>5170885
thanks, I'll get to it then.

i'm sick and tired of medibangs monthly illustration contests. when the fuck are we gonna get some monthly manga contests?

>>5171063
Don't worry, anon. I've got an idea.

>>5170565
Sometimes I wont write a script and move it to CSP. but rather write in CSP and draw immediately after. It's an old habit I need to kick.

>>5161801
why even bother posting stuff like this ?
it's clearly so low effort and unfinished even for a preliminary sketch that there is no valuable feedback that can be given, even if it is meant to be a quick storyboard.
literally just actually try before posting and asking for an evaluation.

>>5171325
As someone who's always done his dialogue straight to CSP too, I don't see the benefit of writing a script if you're working alone.

>>5171541
well it would at least make spell/grammar checking easier

>>5170765
>>5170770
>>5170790
Fix your chicken scratching, christ.
And don't use hatching to shade under the eyelashes, it looks like complete ass.

>>5171547
Plenty of time to notice spelling/grammar mistakes while I'm drawing the page.

>>5171541
>I don't see the benefit of writing a script if you're working alone.

It's faster and easier to write "a car goes down the road" than it is to draw it, even if you're just doing a crappy storyboard.

So doing a script is much faster than doing a storyboard, which especially comes in handy if you decide to make revisions or other corrections.

>>5171599
this, plus it leaves you time to decide on the shot composition, as lets you just move onto "what happens next" right off the bat.

>>5171549
I like sketchy art styles so thats why my lines are that messy I'm working on making them less so but straight clean lines look ugly to me.

>>5171765
You know what the difference between your chicken scratch and JJK's stylish linework is? You're petting lines and lazily erasing them so you get gross floating remnants of lines you've erased worsening an already confused understanding of form, where as Akitani is quickly flicking the lines to convey energy, with a solid understanding of form and structure and line weight. The look of JJK is more advanced then you know and you'll fuck up your own development if you use it as an excuse to cling to dogshit line work as "muh style".
Fix your fucking chickenscratching.

>>5171776
Who shit in your cereal this morning?

>>5171765
Learn how to properly draw for like 2 months then come back to your drawings. You might not realize it now but it's for the best. If anything, you'll learn how to incorporate better camera angles.

>>5171851
It's called tough love. Did you want a kiss on your cheek and a handjob to go along with it?

>>5171877
Maybe I did is there an issue with that?

>>5171984
not him but he wasn't even that harsh. He's just being objective about your work. If you want praise you should work for it.

how do people manage to do good paneling i'm literally too retarded to do it despite reading a shitload of manga and trying to analyze

so are speed lines drawn by hand or is there a stencil/brush kit that mimics this?

where are you guys getting your screentones and stuff by the way? are you making your own or do you not bother and just use grey fills?

>>5172062
I think speed lines are done (traditionally anyway) by cutting out sticker templates and pasting them onto panels

How does one actually stop chicken scratching?

>>5172574
Uh, no. At least, not in most cases. If you pay attention you'll notice the speed lines aren't always perfect or sometimes rushed. They're just usually given to assistants to draw.
In digital we can use the templates or use the special ruler in CSP, but in a rush it can be free handed too. Don't stress too much about drawing perfect effect lines, they just need to convey the impact or motion.

>>5172594
Practice, silly. Get into the habit of drawing clean lines. Even if you like the sketchier look more, practicing clean lines builds confidence in your lines.

>>5172594
draw long, confident lines like a lot of mangaka used to do, or get better at shorter lines that look connected. don't just scratch over your sketch but scratch to create actual lines rather than a bunch of lines in a tight space.

I used to chicken scratch when I had a really small surface tablet, but now I have a larger one with a screen. now I'm drawing with physical space in mind so it's easier to draw those larger, more confident lines

>>5172062
they can be done traditionally, with brushes. I dunno if you have zipatone-like stuff to apply those.

>>5161602
Very late, but thanks anon!

>>5171765
Out of curiosity, when you say
>straight clean lines look ugly to me.
do you mean those of others, or your own? Can you post an example of what you find ugly?

It's been a year since I've been working on this manga of mine. I lost motivation for months. How do I get back into it bros. . . I really lost the drive. I have no idea how make it back. . .

>>5172844
Just take a break anon, grinding all the time is a meme. Better to take a break while you can or want to and come back to it later than burn out and never do anything again.

Professional mangaka take breaks / put projects on hiatus all the time. They get shit on by the fans for it, but it's important for keeping the engine turning over. Drawing every day with no breaks can be detrimental to some people and is a meme propagated nowhere else but on /ic/. Not even professionals do this and a simple swing around Art Twitter where even huge accounts announce that they're gonna just dip for long periods of time should make this clear.

>>5172859
Thanks, yeah I know that feel anon but I took a break for months got /fit/ and now I'm here trying to draw again.
I'm rereading everything and somehow it's working.

>>5172062
weren't there people using PIC RELATED and a ruler to make them?

>>5172594
pencil -> inks

>>5167607
>african characters
African American

>>5172859
>and is a meme propagated nowhere else but on /ic/
And the teachers that /ic/ deify, anon. Vilppu claims he started every day with a master study. It's not like the meme came from nowhere.

Personally I went hard for a about 18 months and burnt out. I improved a lot in those 18 months, but I didn't have much desire to draw after that. I took a "break" of about 4 years (I only came out of this break at the start of 2020) where I only drew when I felt like it. The work I produced in that time felt, at least to me, like it was a much higher quality than I was making before I took a break. It turns out if you only draw when you're switched on then you'll probably draw nicer stuff when you DO draw.
However, this comes at a cost. Now a year after coming out of my break period I realize that I stagnated a lot over that time. My art's hardly any better than it was back then. I improved explosively fast when I forced myself to draw as much as I could, and after stopping I also stopped improving. Even though I felt like I made better drawings, I was simply putting out the best stuff I could at the skill level I had when I stopped drawing daily, and I wasn't really getting any better than that. I plateaued, because I didn't want to work hard. Then Tezuka rolled around and I worked hard on that for months, back to the old way I used to do it of just drawing every day. And again, I felt like I improved quickly.

So long story short, if you want to get better then you have to work for it. Drawing when you feel like it is fine if you're happy with staying at the skill level you're at, but to get much better you need to push yourself. Athletes don't work out only when they feel like it, do they?

>>5172594
Draw with only a pen for a month or 2.

>>5167607
Because black people are unironically some of the biggest and most motivated weebs. They're the ones who are most likely to meticulously study manga and anime until they match Japanese pros, and dedicated enough to actually get their stuff published, even in Japan.
See Felipe Smith, D’ART Shtajio

>>5167607
It’s a manga site made by black Americans and the demographic are other black Americans. If you don’t make black-themed comics, don’t submit

>>5173789
>Vilppu claims he started every day with a master study.
He never said that (You) had to do it, though. That's the critical mistake that people make on /ic/, they figure that what works for one person has to work for everyone. They're wrong, and that's why 90% of the board doesn't know how to draw.

/ic/'s overall drawing ability is probably one of the worst possible examples for proving that anything that anyone believe works works.

>>5173789
>Athletes don't work out only when they feel like it, do they?
Also, bad example. Any athlete will quickly, easily, and rightfully tell you that rest days are just as important as work days, and that if you wake up feeling Absolutely Fucked, you probably should not work that day because you will injure yourself and become Absolutely Fucked x10. You have to pace and moderate yourself. Moderation and thoughtful pace-setting are not the same as being lazy; I have no idea where people get this impression.

>>5174075
The problem is if you take a break every time you're not feeling up to drawing then you're just going to be taking breaks all the damn time. Especially since, as that anon is complaining about, he has a lack of motivation. Anons are replying to him telling him to take breaks, but a break of a day or two won't actually help him, it's just going to build a habit of being unproductive whenever you feel a bit down. I should know, that's exactly the spiral that ended my comic in the first place, I slowly lost motivation and it was becoming harder and harder to finish chapters between "i don't feel like drawing" breaks until eventually I just gave up entirely and went on that 4 year break.
Comics are work, and work means working even if you don't feel like it. You're much better off getting used to being productive even when you lack motivation. It's easier when you have a deadline and aren't entirely self-motivated.

>Also, bad example. Any athlete will quickly, easily, and rightfully tell you that rest days are just as important as work days, and that if you wake up feeling Absolutely Fucked, you probably should not work that day because you will injure yourself and become Absolutely Fucked x10
It's a bad example because if you work out when you're fucked you risk physical injury that will require recovery and therapy. What we're talking about here is purely mental. Obviously there's a physical element in drawing with the risk of RSI or tendonitis, but that's a different matter entirely from what I'm referring to.
Basically, if you're physically able to do the work without risking injury, then don't like mental weakness stop you. Just fucking do it, if you stop you'll regret it.

>Moderation and thoughtful pace-setting are not the same as being lazy; I have no idea where people get this impression.
I have no idea where you got the impression I was calling him lazy. Please don't project other, unrelated arguments onto what I'm saying.

>>5174093
>Anons are replying to him telling him to take breaks, but a break of a day or two won't actually help him
To clarify, I mean that it will create a different problem for him. It will (probably) help the problem of feeling demotivated and tired, but it will introduce a new problem of the work taking forever to finish or being shitty, which can be distressing itself. If you want to make comics, then you need to pick two of three things:
- A decent pace of releases
- Solid quality of releases (not super rushed or unfinished)
- Not working when you don't feel like it
Want to put out decent work at a good pace? Sorry man, you have to work hard even when you don't want to.

>>5174093
Everything here depends on the person at hand. You're falling into the same "what works for me should work for everyone" trap that the rest of /ic/ falls into. This anon is clearly having a problem with break management, and they should take breaks without guilt until they can build up the mental fortitude needed to draw more regularly. "Ending up taking breaks all the time if you take a break whenever you feel like it" is not a universal phenomenon. Some people want to draw and can't, and the reason why they can't is because they should be resting more often.

>I have no idea where you got the impression I was calling him lazy. Please don't project other, unrelated arguments onto what I'm saying.
I'm not. I'm saying that this line of argumentation, regardless of intent, feeds into this perception.

>It's a bad example because if you work out when you're fucked you risk physical injury that will require recovery and therapy. What we're talking about here is purely mental.
This can happen mentally. You literally give an example as to how it messed you up in your own post.

>>5174129
>This can happen mentally. You literally give an example as to how it messed you up in your own post.
I gave an example of how taking breaks messed me up. My problem arose from NOT toughing through it.
And yeah, no shit I'm talking about my own experiences. I only know what I have experienced. I can only speculate as to what works for other people, and that doesn't help. Obviously the answer is anon should do whatever works for him, but by the sound of it he hasn't found what works for him, so I'm telling him what worked for me. I'm not unique, perhaps what worked for me might work for him.

>and the reason why they can't is because they should be resting more often.
Or alternatively, because they aren't used to working without external motivation.

Perhaps you should share what worked for you to provide a different perspective?

>>5174145
>Perhaps you should share what worked for you to provide a different perspective?
I just took total, guilt-free ownership of my time, personally. If I didn't want to draw, I didn't. If I did want to draw, I did, and cleared the rest of my schedule to make it happen. The result was me wanting to draw more often than not over time, because it stopped feeling like a chore and more like a voluntary, progression-based activity.

My solution was personally very simple because I found a way to stop caring which improved my mindset, and the lack of stress opened up a ton of mental processing power that allowed me to get more done.

>>5173815
LeSean Thomas too

>>5174153
I'm happy to hear that anon, but I hope you realize that you've essentially just told me that my perspective is wrong because it isn't what worked for you after giving me shit for assuming my own perspective is the only correct one. I'm sure you realize the hypocrisy in that.

>>5174164
That isn't at all what I did. Please point out where I said that.

>>5174171
You're saying here >>5172859, here >>5174075 and here >>5174129 that a people should take breaks to rest their mind.
You're saying here >>5174070 and here >>5174129 that everyone following the same advice is wrong and is the reason everyone on /ic/ never seem to make any progress (never mind that it could just as easily be that people here are just prone to crying about drawing instead of actually drawing). You reprimand me here >>5174129 specifically with the phrase "You're falling into the same "what works for me should work for everyone" trap that the rest of /ic/ falls into."

Then when asked what worked for you, you tell us it's that you took breaks to rest your mind. This means that your argument that what works for one doesn't work for all is then immediately contradicted by you recommended he do what worked for you. You know, exactly like how I recommended he do what worked for me?
You're basically saying "No! Don't do the thing that worked for him, do the thing that worked for me, for I am the one who is correct!" Why is your experience more valid than mine, exactly?

>>5174188
>You're saying here >>5172859 (You), here >>5174075 (You) and here >>5174129 (You) that a people should take breaks to rest their mind.
True.

>You're saying here >>5174070 (You) and here >>5174129 (You) that everyone following the same advice is wrong and is the reason everyone on /ic/ never seem to make any progress (never mind that it could just as easily be that people here are just prone to crying about drawing instead of actually drawing).
False. I state:
>He never said that (You) had to do it, though. That's the critical mistake that people make on /ic/, they figure that what works for one person has to work for everyone. They're wrong, and that's why 90% of the board doesn't know how to draw.
And:
>Everything here depends on the person at hand.
Unless you believe that everyone is identical, this is a factual and inarguable statement. At no point do I state that any one principle is universal other than the fact that *no* principle is universal. Different things work for different people.

>Then when asked what worked for you, you tell us it's that you took breaks to rest your mind. This means that your argument that what works for one doesn't work for all is then immediately contradicted by you recommended he do what worked for you. You know, exactly like how I recommended he do what worked for me?
You literally asked me to provide what worked for me. Please stop clogging up the thread with needless attempts at gotcha arguments if you are trying to help people. This is needless and moronic. At no point did I say that your approach was entirely noviable for everyone, forever, and that they should all use mine. In fact, I never advocated that my approach be used at all; it was irrelevant and unmentioned until *you specifically* asked for it.

>>5174188
>>5174194

My issue is and was always with this statement of yours (>>5174093) here, as it is essentialist:

>The problem is if you take a break every time you're not feeling up to drawing then you're just going to be taking breaks all the damn time.
This is, and was always, the only issue I actually took with your posts. Never did I say you were wrong for offering what worked for you, only that this sort of essentialism is a dangerous position to take. If that wasn't clear, then I apologize for my wording, but I don't appreciate the pointless attempts at argument.

Anyway, this is my last response. I'd rather keep the thread clear for other, more productive conversations.

>>5174194
>Unless you believe that everyone is identical, this is a factual and inarguable statement. At no point do I state that any one principle is universal other than the fact that *no* principle is universal. Different things work for different people.
Anon, this entire time my advice was framed as "this is what worked for me" (see: >>5173789), but you're framing it as "your personal experience is WRONG, everyone needs breaks!" But you contradict yourself but turning around and espousing "but no advice applies universally!"
So what the fuck is it? Does everyone need breaks or is advice not universal?

>>5174194
>You literally asked me to provide what worked for me. Please stop clogging up the thread with needless attempts at gotcha arguments if you are trying to help people. This is needless and moronic. At no point did I say that your approach was entirely noviable for everyone, forever, and that they should all use mine. In fact, I never advocated that my approach be used at all; it was irrelevant and unmentioned until *you specifically* asked for it.
Nigger a guy asked for advice, I gave him advice, you came in with the "akshully don't listen to him, his advice is wrong, here's what will REALLY work!" You're doing the "gotcha" shit just as much as I am.
You gave the advice of taking breaks. I asked what worked for you to confirm that yes, you're advising he take breaks BECAUSE IT WORKED FOR YOU.
How do you not see this?

>Never did I say you were wrong for offering what worked for you
You certainly implied it, right here >>5174129. If that's not what you meant, then you fucked up the wording bro. Dunno what else to tell you.

>>5174217
Anon, I was taking issue with your blatantly essentialist framing. If you want to divorce the rest of your advice from that framing, then fine, and with that in mind, I agree. But you really need to calm down and read people's posts if you're going to argue with them.

>You gave the advice of taking breaks. I asked what worked for you to confirm that yes, you're advising he take breaks BECAUSE IT WORKED FOR YOU.

I said:
>Drawing every day with no breaks can be detrimental to *some people* and is a meme propagated nowhere else but on /ic/.
The qualifiers were always there. Getting aggressive does not change what was in my posts. There is no edit feature.

>>5173815
Felipe Smith isn’t black.

>>5174230
>Felipe Smith (born 1978) is an American comic book writer and artist of Jamaican and Argentine descent.

He's probably at least partially black. Very much mixed, though.

Not like any of this really matters though.

>>5173823
Correction
>It’s a wannabe Jump ripoff made by a self-righteous talentless weeaboo nigger and the demographic is nonexistent so he opts to pander to idpol instead with a “#diversity” tag. If you don’t feel like wasting your time and talent, don’t bother.
Ftfy

>>5174234
He’s not black. He has absolutely zero African features.

>>5174248
He's half / part Jamaican. Very high probability, even if he doesn't look the part.

>>5174224
Alright, how about we take a step back and analyze the heart of the argument here:
This anon has the problem of lack of motivation to draw.

I also had the problem of lacking in motivation, I tried to solve it by taking breaks and working when I wanted to, and it kind of worked, but over time the problem arose that I wasn't happy with the rate that I finished work. I was falling behind my self-set deadlines every time, sometimes by several weeks. I realized I'd be at this forever if I continued at the rate I was at, but demotivated as I was, I decided to quit instead of knuckling down again. Fast forward a few years, I'm now back to knuckling down, only this time I feel no such demotivation. I can summarize from this experience that the problem was that I lacked motivation originally, but now that I'm older I understand that I need to work even when I don't want to, or I'll simply be creating more problems for myself in the long run.

You had a problem of lacking in motivation, you solved it by taking breaks and working when you wanted to. You say this lead to you working more, but I don't know much about for how long this has been going on or if it's lead to a level of productivity that you're satisfied with. Has it? Tell us more.

If it worked for you, then that's wonderful! But it merely tells us that, as you say, what worked for you didn't work for me, and might not work for him, just as my advice similarly might or might not work him.
All I can say ultimately is that the core of our problem was always discipline. I lacked discipline to draw when I didn't feel like it, and while the short term solution of a break helped my motivation, it lead to dissatisfaction with my productivity, a new problem. Later down the road, simply being more disciplined spares me the dissatisfaction with lack of productivity, if nothing else. Your solution avoids the problem of discipline by transforming it into something you want to do, so discipline is no longer a factor.

>>5174261
>I lacked motivation originally
*I lacked discipline originally

>>5174259
Not all Jamaicans are black. Most blacks there were actually imported from Africa, so if he was, he’d have African features rather than Latino.

>>5174259
>last name Smith and born in Ohio meaning his dad is white
>Jamaican/Argentine descent, with primary roots in Argentina given he moved back there at 5
>absolutely zero African features, and Jamaica is a Latino country with a high African population, not an African nation, meaning there’s a high chance he has zero African heritage.

At best you’re grasping at straws for him being a quarter or less “black” and even then, he’s clearly not just by looking at him.

Felipe is clearly a white-Latino mix, and his browner features clearly come from his Latino blood. You’re only labeling him as black cause you wish he was, but one clear look at him and his roots and it’s clear he’s not. Most accurately, you can say he’s Latino.

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>>5174376
I'm not the anon that originally made the claim, relax. It just seemed like a non-zero possibility to me. There are plenty of talented artists of any race anyway.

>>5174376
>Jamaica is a Latino country with a high African population, not an African nation, meaning there’s a high chance he has zero African heritage.

Not commenting on Felipe's race at all, but this bit is statistically / factually questionable to a high degree.

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>>5174376
time for a history lesson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-k8WKmXdBI

>>5173815
It's not just manga. Comics are extremely important for rappers, for instance.

>>5174404
I've noticed that there seems to have been a weird bleed between manga / martial-arts shit and rap for a long time. Always wondered what was up with that.

>>5174408
You'll understand when you get high as fuck and start rapping about DBZ with your bros.

>Wonder what happened to Studio Odin.
>His Instagram with 300k follows is gone.
>Last thing I remember is him keeping his word with the Patreon milestone and making a manga on webtoon.
>Now he's being published in his country.
Not bad.

>>5174408
it's just a meme that started with wu-tang.

has anyone here read manga outside of your comfort genre?

Here’s the comic I’m working on, more of a graphic novel idk, thoughts?

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>>5174244
You sound upset, have you been drawing today?

>>5174679
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>>5174683
The art is cool. I don't know if I can follow the story though. The third page is understandable but I don't really understand the second page.

>>5174545
I love all manga <3

I want to be a manga artist but I just realize I might not have any fans at all. . .
I have a hard time with social media. I have anxiety that people might think my art is cringe and pointless. . .
but also I don't want to deal with weird people.
Illustrations I do is described as pointless greyscale art things.
I don't people please and the things I draw aren't popular. . . so I know I won't have any fans. . .
but if you anons read it. It might be worth it.

>>5174971
You have to do it for you, anon.

>>5174971
>I want to be a manga artist
So do it.
No shit people don't care about random illustrations. If there's no pretty colors or no story then what's the point?

>>5174545
I've been trying to get into Clamps work since my local trades store has been getting a lot of their stuff. I'm not really into it but I'm reading anyway.

I'm afraid of posting my art here because it might be stolen ? desu I don't know where to post my art.

streaming work if anyone is interested

https://picarto.tv/LaundryMom

>>5174998
find a place to post your work then?????

>>5175005
where ? is insta a good idea ?

>>5174998
>>5175020
mangadex seems to get decent traffic on user submitted stuff, weirdly enough.

Im surprised how simple the colors and rendering a top hentai artist use. I dunno how to get smooth smudging on csp though.
Also whats with that pussy where is the virginia? I don't know how they work

Anyone have any good 16x9 webcomic formatting templates?

making a silly comic

trust me it does not go where you think it goes

>>5175470
>Im surprised how simple the colors and rendering a top hentai artist use
Clesta peaked years ago. Pretty sure he's well over giving a fuck. Plus the decensors were better on his holder works too. I forget who did them, Belldandy maybe.
>Also whats with that pussy where is the virginia? I don't know how they work
It's a decensoring. Meaning some over guy drew the genitals over the censor bar/mosaic. I highly suggest you study actual pussies rather going by someone's interpretation of what a pussy looks like. Pussies tend to vary a lot person-to-person too so studying real pussies will hopefully enable you to draw different kinds of pussies, which can be hot as fuck.

New thread.

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>>5167607
muh diversity. Don't bother with Saturday AM it's absolute trash "manga" for zoomers

>>5138298
Awesome, keep up the great work anon!