/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5138209
There is literally nothing difficult about painting or drawing from reference.
If you are not able to produce photo accurate Xerox copies of shit than you are a completely lost cause. When you draw from reference with the explicit purpose to perfectly copy everything it's the most brainlet thing ever

>>5138209
yeah, it's sad to see manchildren who never grow out of their superhero phase

>>5138209
He found a camera when he became 23?

>>5138213
Cope /beg/let

my goals to get my rendering to that level

Do you have 7 years into drawing, OP? I know its hard doing half an hour a month for you.

>>5138209
Not trying to shit on the art because it is nice, but why does rendering impress people so much? Is it really that challenging?

>>5138209
>7 years of experience leads to improvement
woah...

>>5138209
Who fucking cares?
Focus in your art
Just give up anon
Art is not for you

>>5138213
Pyw

>>5138213
Based. This is what happens when you only work with references. Not saying using references is bad but people shouldn't make it a habit if they want to make it.

>>5138209
Black genes. Sorry white boys.

>>5138209
Why are you guys always shocked that people who practice get better?

>>5138209
Nah don't be jealous of this guy
He is one of thousands of photorealist artists all doing the exact same shit - doing nothing but using grids to mindlessly copy photographs of pop culture characters/celebs with a prismacolor pencil/marker rendering process that takes dozens of hours
Google [insert capeshit character] + prismacolor and you'll see what I mean. Also notice in how most of the timelapse videos on Youtube of these kind of copies being made, they almost never show you how they made the under drawing. A lot of them just trace the photo.
Picrel. is an example of one of these retards who clearly just copied a photograph of an action figure and expected no one to notice

>>5138213
Yep, 100% true

>>5138209
Lol 800k likes and still at 2k followers because no one really gives a fuck if all you can do is copy a photo of Batman

Now draw a tiger dancing on its hind legs with zero references

>>5138569
You know what really sucks is after doing this for years you've probably at least gotten pretty decent at rendering. They just don't even learn about anatomy or gesture or perspective or composition or anything. They've already mastered the one aspect of drawing, but they won't ever actually do anything with it except pull in Instagram likes

>>5138209
Wow, another xerox...

>>5138719
>still at 2k followers
You misread

Gosh why is /ic/ so full of jealousy, men are such social gossiping creatures.

Another drawing he did when he was 16

>>5138350
yall keep saying that like u can do better than the proko kangaroo let alone do what proko does with references

>>5138848
>one of the few boards with almost as many women posting as men
>omg why do men act so much like women???
Not very bright, are you?

>>5138350
good lord...

>>5138834
This baffles me a lot. Xerox artist always, ALWAYS take the most obvious and well known references available; ilya even xerox'd an image that was used for bluray covers. I know they're lazy but jeez they really took laziness to the next level...

>>5138849
Oh god he was already a tracer even then

>>5138345
last study I did, pyw or are you one of the guys that doesn't actually do shit
I am not saying that being a xerox machine is bad or wrong, I am just saying that there is nothing impressive about it imho

>>5138916
>""""""women""""""

>>5138213
this is actually true. drawing from imagination is how you make a career

>>5138213
If you are a good artist to begin with, then what you are saying is completely true, yes.
You are reaching with your brainlet assertions tho.
Why can't you crabs ever keep it real? Why do you always have to go into extremes and make a fool of yourselves?

>>5139029
Stodies are pretty much the same shit. Instead of a photo, you take an existing pic and you try to recreate what the artist did.
Again, why are you crabs always so fucking insufferable?

>>5139183
>how you make a career
Well, pardon me for splitting hairs, but not necessarily. A lot of golden age illustrators, even old master artists, would often trace from photos or camera obscura respectively to maximise their productivity and minimise error. They're businessmen first and foremost, after all.
A quality artists can draw from imagination, sure, but quality/expertise and financial success don't always align. Just look at the amount of attention the guy in the OP gets, people like that can make bank off easily impressed normies via patreon/youtue/print sales/etc.

>>5138213
Cool, now draw this cannon
Can't wait to see your work!

>>5139029
Annnnd,>>5139029
not surprisingly, you're shit.
Every time, kek

>>5138914
>yall
go back

>>5139204
Not him but he is too good to be a crab, although nothing special with his work. You are the one being full of shit here.

>>5139220
You can be too good to be a lot of things.
You're never too good to be a crab.

>>5138942
>impyling they are afraid of being called out for being a human xerox
wake up kiddo

>>5138916
Women flock to sakimi threads, this one and the other are obvious /ic/els

>>5139204
He isn’t even shit lmao

>>5138209
Now tell him to come up with something from imagination

>>5138843
well there goes the black people cant do art meme

>>5138209
NO WAAAYYY

>>5139029
"photo accurate Xerox" your picture doesn't look like that? You said it was really easy with references.

>>5139188
Nope. There are tons of artists who can copy a reference but can't do anything without it. Basically an illusion of being a good artist for normies.
You can easily do it within 1 year, if you aren't bored to tears by the process.

Instead of caring about parlor tricks you should learn fundies and aim for rational goals with your work. An accurate copy of a photo just means you spent a lot of time on copying a photo, nothing more.

>>5139193
here you go anon

>>5138283
brainlet people who can't into art are easily impressed.

>Daddy I drew it just like the picture

Big fucking deal. Imagine being a bug who just wants to be a fucking Xerox machine

>>5141042
Did you even read what I wrote lol?
Stuff like this is "easy brainlett stuff" only if you are already good at drawing.
If you are a crappy beginner artist, then it's not "easy brainlet stuff".
I can't believe an actual artist that draws would say something so uneducated.

>>5141581
this
>>5138283
most normies dont understand or have any appreciation of art style or subject matter. Their process for critiquing art is how much it looks like a photo

>>5138350
the problem is not using reference, but rather how you use them.

>>5139193
give it 5 more years and AI style transfer will be indistinguishable from rendermonkeys

>>5142166
>give it 5 more years and AI style transfer will be indistinguishable from rendermonkeys
Everyone on /ic/ said this 5 years ago.

>>5142117
My post is explaining why you're wrong - Do you just consume memes when you're on the internet or something? School doesn't teach you rational thinking, it gets in the way of being useful.

Drawing from reference is laborious, and hard and boring. But I think it's part of the learning process. Not that you should faxcopy for 7 years like the nigger in OP, but by doing copies or "studies" you train: >proportion, line form and weight, general observation skills, rendering skills ( a lot).
However, your only creative input comes from the choice of rendering the subject. The less mundane (i.e. not photorealistic bur vector style) the more it becomes your personal input. And some artists stop here. I don't think it's a bad place to stop. You can do lots of stuff by drawing from reference identically and still feel creative.

>>5142216
There is a huge difference between using reference as a tutorial essentially to construct your painting from scratch and using reference just as a thing to copy from using a grid and shape patterns.

>>5142117
Retard copying isn't drawing at all. Simple question, when you are in life painting classes what do you do
>A) construct figure from scratch but basing it on the figure you see and measuring it with your eye/mind, similarly figure out the light source without just trying to match the colors
Or
>B) Make a grid to connect dots and try to essentially "color pick" what you see instead of understanding it
If you are doing B you are literally not practicing anything other than brush work and pencil itself. Do you understand that literally any single person can paint a painting of Vermeer if he will use grids and color shapes without gaining any insight on how to construct the same thing independently?

>>5138213
speaking of which, do you guys have that pic of some french artist saying something along the lines of "why habe a perfect copy when you can have the real thing?"

>>5138209
>it's still batman
into the trash

>>5138209
At least I wasn't drawing that ridiculous Batman v superman shit movie. Jeez

>>5142260
this. it's essentially paint-by-numbers but to the pixel level.

>>5142270
that was Hitchcock