/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Todays bargue.

shading and lighting is killing me bros...

How do i draw someone looking down? Like from the neck up (pic mine but unrelated.)

>Use this thread instead of making new threads
There's really nothing on this board that I'd miss if it were bumped, so why bother

what course/guide helped you guys draw hands and feet? like, what made it click for you? cuz hands right now are fucking me up

>>5110735
When you guys draw out the baisc shapes for your poses, do you do an egg-like shape with a bottom triangle cut for the ribcage and butterfly wings/hearts for the hip?
Trying to figure out a better way to do it w/o going autismo and drawing a full ribcage and pelvis when im barely starting a drawing

>>5110784
vilppu help a little. trying to simplify them, that also helped me.

I wanna get better at shading the skin, I feel like I got most of the skeleton right, but I still need help with plane changes of the muscles. I could bring the left leg forward to give her a better balance, but that would throw off my torso angle.

Do I need to stick to this book if I get the basic method and havent done everything in it. The method finally clicked but I want to move onto figure drawing.

>>5110768
did you try references?

how long until I make it?

>>5110772
you are more likely to get answer this way

I'm drawing a Hobo wizard. Any tips for shading beards/hair? I'm afraid of learning how to shade

What are some good videos to watch for someone with drawing skills of a kindergartner?

>>5110862
damn that's great. blog?

>>5110875
be serious I'm looking for a time frame

>>5110881
Let's see. Bad perspective, bad anatomy, zero confident in lines. Yeah you've been drawing for a week at most. It all depends on your own skill so I'd say 5 years? I can't judge you with this little info.

>>5110883
no thats pretty much correct. 5 years huh?

does anything look off?

>>5110862
A while

>>5110892
The left leg looks kinda janky

>>5110814
i'm also /beg/ so sorry for the crappy redline but since it's less detailed might be good practice redoing the lower half of the body from scratch to better account for the entire weight of the pose. As for shading skin, since skin has a lot of soft shadows I'd recommend getting acquainted with both hard and soft brushes and try making the darks a bit darker instead of having all of the shading on the skin be a pretty close value of grey.

>>5110904
where abouts?
What do i do to fix it?

>>5110881
All depends on how much effort you put in along with more fuzzy stuff like your own disposition, what you like to draw, and what your definition of "making it" is

>>5110912
>All depends on how much effort you put in along with more fuzzy stuff
obviously I know that I'm looking for a guess
>and what your definition of "making it" is
the left picture

>>5110750
half of bargue is rendering so you should render properly instead of hatching

>>5110868
proko's video on shading hair
but i don't think you should worry about rendering yet. you need to get the shape right first, the hair looks very unnatural. and you should fix the features first before drawing the hair. use a reference because you don't know what they look like

>>5110923
nta but to copy that drawing, probably around a year. to draw it without direct reference tack on another year or something idk i'm not there yet

>>5110908
Huge ribcage => Short abdomen
You don't know how to draw female crotch/pussy area.

I'm clearly fucking missing something here, because I constantly read about long continuous lines with the shoulder, but then when I actually watch artists I see a lot of strokes composing one organic line.

>>5110923
If you laser focused on just learning what you need to know to draw that kind of anime-style pinup, maybe 2 or 3 years? You'd be left dead in the water if you ever had to draw anything else without reference. I don't really think it's a great idea to worry a lot about how long it will take you because it leads to burnout in my experience

>>5110929
rendering is gay.
But the other half of bargue is being incredibly precise and he's not doing that either.

>>5110929
Will work on shape bro. I should probably get better references, for this picture I picked a random guy with a fake beard/hair. As you said. I will work on improving figures and worry about rendering once I get better. Thanks

>building blocks/sketch looks really nice
>line art looks like toddler with infant onset Alzheimer's drew it

>>5110936
it depends on the length of the line

>>5110735

Threw up the bg just to give some sense to the pose, pls c + c and don’t hold back! Looking to improve, and would love advice!

(Also I swear it looks a tad bit better irl but my camera is on a phone)

>>5110949
Well im trying to learn, Its not gonna come along instantly

>>5110949
Well im trying to learn, Its not gonna come along instantly
Also the only thing I messed up was Agrippa, everything else overlays nearly 1:1 with ref

>>5110934
thanks crab

>>5111008
The ref doesn't have multiple shaky lines trying to fudge it for one thing. But your lengths and angles are not remotely 1:1, even just starting at the top of the first plate, the 5 profiles, all the brows are off.
You're supposed to keep at the same one until it's flawless, not shit out dozens of them in a single day that are only in the rough ballpark if you don't look too closely. That defeats the whole purpose of training your eye and hand accuracy and your patience, especially if you were doing digishit like overlaying.

>>5110984
3/10 cuz you made me feel like a retard cuz i had to turn my head to view the pic

>>5111074
Whats the point of copying something so its a flawless 1-1 copy? I might as well take a picture at that point.
Also I have nerve damage in my hands and feet, I physically cannot make straight line no matter the smoothing or whatever.

>>5111074
>digishit
and THERE it is...

Keys to drawing plus half baked loomis
practice practice and about to draw for fun

>>5111139
forgot reference

Read that value handout thing from Chris Legaspi and did a quick study. The light makes the cylinder and pyramid look lighter but I used the same pressure on all the shading strokes.

>>5110784
I just looked at hands and drew them?

>>5106927
>>5106931
Had some time free so I gave him a once over with while trying to keep the comments of >>5107272 , in mind.

It's not perfect and I could spend more time fixing up the aspects I still have issues with but I think it's time to move on to a new sketch.

>>5110814
Check out Atom_Cyber

You might enjoy his stuff.

help, reference for medium sized breast this angle?

>>5111219
Meant to post this here but whatever

>>5110750
high test

>>5111026
t. NGMI

how much bigger does an object become when you do perspective? Am i doing it right for the forearm?

>>5110750
>>5110984
>>5111139
>>5111173
>>5111195
I've marked you as GMI.

>>5111237

How strong the foreshortening is depends on how close you are to the object. There's alotta examples on how that works if you look at closeup shots on things.

Try grabbing like a roll of paper towels or a bottle and shoving it close to your eye vs holding it further away.

>>5111202
fucking sick, thnx
>>5110814
do agree on adding more shadow to skin. will go ahead and rework the bottom half, wasn't committed to the legs.

Outsider here, plumber by trade.

Finally have some free time and I want to get good. I have zero art experience, and would like a good place to start. If I had more time I would consider taking up a art class, but lord knows that wont happen.
Would love some good recommendations for getting better, mainly a book.
Thank you.

>>5111284
Ohhh, that looks useful, resource? and good drawing anon

>>5110908
where would you recommend using hard brushes? I used fine soft brush for the line work and large soft for the skin values and texture. I tried added some hard brush lines in places and it looks off.

>>5111294
Thx breh, I'm using this as the resource

Just finished Proko's figure course, this is what I did to try and pull together everything I had learnt. I can see a few places that jump out as wonky to me, like the left knee and feet, and I'm not satisfied with my control while shading, though it always comes out much worse in photograph than person. Any other advice for me?

>>5111395
you put the cast shadow that should be on her temple, directly in the middle of her forehead - implying that the eye on the right is on the side of her face and her nose lies on her jaw
the ear is high up as well.
You did a good job on the torso, though. The leg proportions are goofy as fuck.

>>5110908
redid the legs, also added some dark to the background behind her and some shadow to the torso so she doesn't blend

>>5111285
video course thread, try check the archives if theres a live link or check /t/

>>5111429
My suggestion.

>>5110871
Anyone?

I've been studying Vilppu and doing some quick and rough gesture/figure sketches (not sure if these terms are correct for these drawings). Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on where I can improve from here?
It feels like I fall apart when I choose to draw a standing model. It's probably a multitude of issues thrown together, but I know my awful legs are a big factor. I'm also afraid that I'm drawing too small too, though I don't if that'd be an issue. I don't really zoom in when I'm drawing.

>>5111540
the drawings show a very good understanding of feeling the form already.The poses are dynamic and look nice. honestly just keep doing what you are doing it seems you are def going in the right direction

>>5111552
That means a lot. Thanks, anon. I was going to open with something along the lines of "I'm starting to feel the form but..." though I didn't want to be too presumptuous. :)
I'm glad my Vilppu studies are paying off and I'll continue with them. Fingers crossed that I can take my figure drawing to the next level this month.

>>5111227
I'm not a great teacher, but don't make chicken scratch-y lines like the one you used for the hand and some of the shapes. Keep them more confident like the ones in the other shapes you drew especially on the right side.
While I can't vouch for the later courses, I will admit that the Draw a Box lessons for beginners helped get me on my feet when it comes to drawing cleaner lines and better, simpler shapes. It's a bit of a grind, and I have my own issues with the course, but it might help if you need direction.
After that Keys to Drawing and Perspective Made Easy are nice places to go. You don't need to finish the books either. Just try to absorb some of the information there. Take your time studying the reference before making a mark, things get smaller as they go into the distance, blah blah blah, lots of basic useful info in these books.
I assume you want to move onto human figures after this so I guess you can try out Loomis. You can find his material everywhere here or online for free. I prefer Vilppu but I think the Loomis books are still free and easily accessible, so he's the go-to vanilla answer in these situations.

...It's a lot to take in, I apologize. Though I still hope it helps.

>>5110871
I think that if you have low skill, any video should help you.

>>5111285
Fun with a pencil

please critique, what do i fix up?

>>5111127
>somebody told me to bike to get into shape and i've been riding this motorcycle around and it hasn't been doing anything

Bought a tablet, first thing I coloured with it
How'd I do?
Not my lineart btw

I almost never drew. How long will it take until I can make minimum wage drawing?

>>5111789
This is worse then /v/s food analogies

Is it better to do lots of short, small studies or a few big pieces? This is what I'm trying to copy today; WIP but I'll do the coloring and values tomorrow.

>>5111247
Thanks calf

Trying to draw for the first time in 3 years via Loomis. It's bad but I'm starting to see where I'm messing up with each exercise.

Did this piece of turd for practicing gesture from imagination and for drawing quickier, and I've understood two things:
1) My visual library for posing is shit
2) My faces are pretty bad as well
I can understand how to fix the first but for the second I don't know how I should proceed, any suggestion? Also the head in this one used to be bend a lot more backward but I changed it to make it more easy to draw and it seem to have killed the composition

>>5111934
you usually have to do a lot of small studies to do big pieces

>>5112107
if your faces are bad, just draw more faces. and no, not from imagination, that doesn't teach you how to draw faces.

>>5112090
face too long, move eyes down and move jaw up

>>5112107
read loomis and draw a bunch of faces from reference

>>5112150
Already started learning from Bridgman today.

>>5110750

Not accurate enough. Training your accuracy is the whole point of these. Do them again. Bargue plates are also best done traditionally so you can actually manually do measurement and angle checking.

>>5111173

Look at the angles of your cube and rectangles. Check the ellipse of the cylinder too. You are being sloppy with them, take a good look at your ref again and try again, this time with measuring.

>>5112107
Same anon here, I can use the loomis method on floating heads Just fine and they look decent enough but when I try to simplify them for a whole quick figure in an oval shape they suddenly look like shit. Why Is It that?

>>5112090

Damn, this looks so much like the work of someone I know. Scary.

>>5112187
>they look decent enough
Anon, I...
Actually the left one isn’t too bad, although it’s giving me strong “How To Draw Manga” vibes. The one on the right however needs work.

hows my spheres lads

Studying faces are we?
Im running through japanese manga book and they are informative.

>>5112358
They look like spheres so good job.

>>5112295
Alright, what would you actually recommend to study proper head construction methods more and then study and deconstruct the heads of artists I like?

I'm reading loomis, Fun With a Pencil, for the first time and I'm confused as how I'm supposed to practice while reading it. Should I take a pause between each section and just try to copy what he's doing? I'm now at the part where he shows the head as a 3D ball, should I make like a hundred of these balls in diffrent angles before I move on?

>>5112368
thanks lad

>>5112379
something i realized about art is theres no teacher telling you exactly what to do, everything is up to some sort of discussion and personal interpretation, do what you feel will benefit you, the most important thing is to just draw unless of course youre following a very regimented programmed like drawabox which is a reason i like it if you feel lost and floating in your art journey, and its called a journey for a reason

>>5112379
The whole book is about 3d balls so yes you should be drawing them, and practicing how you draw ellipses that represent the surface of the ball, paying attention to make sure it sits well on the surface. You can also do a cross-section drawing by cutting a ball in half and capping it off. The cap will, in most cases, be an ellipse. Cross-section drawings are good in general because it's another mental method for you to pay attention to volume of things.

Play around with it. You're supposed to have fun with a pencil, not grind 100s of spheres.

Well I improved I believe. Not enough accuracy I think. Any tips or thoughts?

Heheheheh, I did something

>>5112443
Only cared about the legs mind you
>>5112439
You are, what are you using right now? Keys to Drawing

>>5112451
well your stuff is certainly getting better schizo, what has caused the increase in skill?

>>5112451
>You are, what are you using right now? Keys to Drawing
Ive been doing bargue, i posted my bad attempts at the start of the thread

Hello /ic/,
I am a tradfag artist learning digital painting. I have some technical questions maybe yall can explain:
1) How do you blend colors in photoshop? is it just a matter of low opacity and lots of gradual layering? Pic related shows my first attempt in digital
2) How do you get 'finishing' lines? like what are the brush settings/technique? pic rel shows my round 2pt 90% opacity brush sketch. Looking at >>5110868 and >>5111540 's darker lines. Is it just a matter of a heavy dark brush and trying over and over (ctrl-z) until you get the perfect line? using wacom tablet & I do have access to the pressure control stuff.

I know practice will inevitably answer my questions, but since I'm new to digital I want to make sure I'm not pursuing answers in the wrong veins. Thanks for any help.

>>5112456
That's from reference, I wouldn't say it's a dramatic increase, just trying to deconstruct things, no more dogma, no more self imposed rules, I draw whatever I want to draw, whenever, copy this copy that, I'm having fun
>>5112467
Oh, that was you, nice work anon, don't know enough to rate accuracy but looks fine to me, easier on digital or doable on paper?

>>5112494
well nah its not some drastic shift but that bag you drew the other day was also good, i just noticed some improvements in your work and your form and wondered if it was a specific book or something

>I'm having fun

good, keep it up

>>5112496
bag?

>>5112497
yeah you posted a bag the other day? or was it a shoe, yeah it was a shoe actually

I'm allright at sketching from life, cus it's what I learned from a book, but I'm quite bad at drawing stylized.

As soon as I try to draw a face from symbols it looks like shit.

>>5111807
I mean the colors are really good but also God why in terms of the subject matter.

My advice is that you could get away with going a lot more intense on using other colors to shade. If you shade too lightly then it looks more flat

ive been practising nothing shadows today

>>5112532

>>5112533

>>5112532
>>5112533
>>5112535
hello satan

Are these good faces done from imagination? I'm at the point where I don't have to lay in any loomis heads or look at photoreference, to get at pic-related quality. The one at the left is kinda borked though.

Yesterday's doodle. It's so frustrating sometimes. I'm so slow and it take me forever to draw anything. I spend several hours studying every day and an hour or two drawing from imagination, yet I feel like I am getting nowhere. There is so much I don't know but it feels like I'll never learn it all.

>>5112533
Hey I made one of those just the other day

>>5112555
dont really like the hatching but the proportions are looking great for the most part

tried asking in the last thread not long before it died. how do you get the curve in the middle? all i see is to yolo it for practice, but what if you have a deliberate design in mind?

>>5112481
>2) How do you get 'finishing' lines?
I'm not fully happy with my lines right now but I have been working on it so hopefully I can give some answers. I'm this guy >>5111540

>like what are the brush settings/technique?
I started off with a simple hard round brush and started fiddling intensively with the pressure size and pressure density settings until I found a sweet spot that I liked. I have it so I can easily draw in a light colour for the gesture/construction, then with average pressure I can get a somewhat darker line, and then with intentional much harder pressure I can get black lines. I don't really overuse ctrl-z for my drawings unless I was actually finishing a piece and not a study. I also suggest making a copy of your current preferred brush and playing around with the settings until you find ones you like. When it comes to your main primary brush I feel like it's much more reliable and comfortable to make one yourself.
As for technique I follow the advice in this video https://youtu.be/22XYoenU-0c?t=1780 and pic related to some extent. Don't be too analytical about it though. Study their advice but experiment with what looks good to you, and especially see how other artists do their lines.

So yeah, lots of practice, but experimentation is also key too.

Laugh at me
3 fucking months i've been drawing and this is the best I can do

>>5112641
>3 months
how much have you practiced, really? be honest.

Messed up badly on this one, done with shapes like in KTD.
Same issues as always, I can't really measure or relate the shapes, initial marks then get blown out of proportion.
Look at her eye or the red section of her sweater, then you'll know that her abdomen is all messed up, jeans? Not bothering with that and the top section of her sweater is too compact.
This is all because of the shapes being somewhat close in shape but nowhere near their actual size and relationship, any help?

>>5112672
Yikes, how did I manage to ignore THAT error?
>>5112498
Thanks

what's a good book for perspective, i went through perspective made easy but it doesn't teach you everything.

>>5112648
ouch and savagepilled

>>5112641
You just did the construction wrong, in terms of angle and proportions instead draw tons on little heads till you get the one that's right.

Do it right now faggot draw 10 and post it

>>5112684
unlesss you wanna be an architect learning 2,3 vp's are enough, 4,5 are overkill but not hard just tedious what else do you need

>>5112555
This is good. There are some problems, particularly, eyes appear too big to me and the far eye in three quarter view looks funky on both faces,. Also, your ears and ear position. But there are also some things done well, particularly, the way you show 3d shapes and emotion, and you obviously know face anatomy. I also like clean linework, although hatching looks slightly overdone in places.

>>5112641
How many skulls have you drawn in 3 month? Be honest

>>5112692
if you sit down to study faces for an hour each day for 3 months and end with that, then something is terribly wrong

>>5112648
~1hr/day sometimes more sometimes less
>>5112694
k
>>5112712
Not sure

Another one I've drawn just for context

>>5112715
>Not sure
Is it more than zero?

>>5112704
i missed out on stuff like centre of vision in that book until somebody pointed it out, and i still don't know how to do it. I don't know what else I'm missing.

>>5112713
didnt mean to say 3 months 1hr/day of just faces, other stuff too like perspective and some anatomy
>>5112720
Sadly

>>5112707
The far eye in 3/4 is so fucking difficult, I still have to work on that. Big eyes are another bad habit that I've tried to get rid of.

>>5110768

>>5112574
get used to those feelings fren. you'll have them for the rest of your life

Guys is this image real or fake

>>5112107
Ok so, I actually tried to draw a pose following a reference due to a friend's request, how is it looking like? Did all of this in 50 minutes

>>5112762
The reference

>>5112735
The reason to draw the skull is so that you can then apply it's anatomy to the actual face. The face has a number of bony landmarks that create key angles and shapes that we are trained to recognize: scalp, eye sockets, cheek bones, nose bridge, and jawline. You need to learn all of these features, learn them by heart. Meaning, clearly know their shape, position relative to each other, and proportions. Then you need to know how to find them on an actual face. Find a good video course that clearly shows you how anatomy of the skull is mapped to the face and actually memorize that shit (for example, Vilppu). Do not rush. Memorize it. You can still draw you fanart, or your projects, or whatever you want to draw on the side. You don't need to only do studies. But when you do studies, you need to actually study, not just follow a checklist as fast as possible. Otherwise, what's the point?

>>5112756
B-but /ic/ told me Japanese do not study or draw actual human faces...

>>5112640
excellent, very helpful, thanks man!

>>5112762
Why is her left hand not connected to her left arm? Also, she holds a shotgun like a handgun and her head just rests on nothing.

>>5112796
Is the Marco Bucci course decent or good at teaching this or should I use something else?

>>5112641
I've been at it for 8 and I'm worse than you, stop caring so much about stuff.
It's not like we're actually in art school, getting tens of thousands in debt every year to get to that level, and depending on our ability to read Loomis three times a month to land a job later, or at least enough furry porn commissions to pay rent. That would just be sad.

>>5112822
Is that a real screenshot?

i'm so shit

How do you guys decide on what to draw? I started drawing on a piece of paper a couple of days ago, but now I don't know what to continue with.

>>5112955
Just measure bro.

>>5112970
If I'm stuck I just go to a stock photo website and find shit to do studies of.

>>5112955
least you manage to capture a look of a hag

>>5112796
is learning asaro head enough

>>5112876

>>5111885
>>5111885
>>5111885
>>5111885

Haven't posted in a few weeks.

>>5112876
?

>>5112999
What are you showing me?

>>5112999
What are you showing me? I don't understand...

Can I get a redline or something please? I feel like this shit just isn't clicking. It doesn't look right and I don't know how to make it look right.

>>5113100
were you studying any book while doing that?

>>5113130
Yes. I was looking at the heads in Hampton's book and trying to replicate it.

>>5113135
post it

>>5113140
for the left one specifically

>>5113141
this is by him right

>>5113145
I'm unsure. If it's from the same book I'm not at that point yet.

>>5112672
its close enough to the point where i think you can just draw more and you will get the hang of it

>>5112715
measure before you draw

>>5113100
you need to measure more, and your perspective is not quite right on the wrapping lines either so review that

>>5113145
yeah thats hampton

>>5113153
>Your perspective on wrapping lines isn't quite right

That's something I've struggled with. How do you apply perspective to contour lines? I've basically just been drawing an elipse through the sphere to bisect it.

>>5113161
that's the correct approach but you're not drawing ellipses so it looks weird. if you have a 3d model or actual ball with lines it i would look at it and observe how it changes as you change its position relative to eye level

>>5113165
I don't understand, how am I not drawing elpises?

Is it natural to draw faster as you do it more? Some books recommend I draw slowly. Should I try to consciously slow down?

>>5113166
one on the right is kinda pointy

i guess they are ellipses, what I meant to say is that they dont really sit on the sphere right.

>>5113175
take ur time and work slowly when u are a beginner

>>5113179
The one on the right is supposed to be like the flat plane of the face coming off of the sphere, if that makes sense. Like this, but a 3/4 view not a side view.

>>5113183
yeah i know i was showing the ellipse of the circle. specifically the forehead area is still part of the sphere and not the face plane and its wrong in the drawing

>try to draw inquisitive gesture
>always turn out smug, even with ref
God dammit
Also anyone have tips for drawing lips in 3/4th view?

>>5113186
Alright, thank you. I'll be more careful making elipises there.

>>5112991
No. Asaro head teaches you construction and not much more. It's a tool that helps you learn actual anatomy.

>>5112864
Honestly, idk. Never tried his course.

>>5110735
Demon girl running

>>5112999
Talk like a human retard.

>>5113235
Pee Pee Poo Poo you a Doopy Doo

>>5113261
What a fag. You tried to help the other anon. Why stopped half-way?

someone told me to learn face anatomy, so i started with asaro head. should i learn muscles and shit next or what.

nearly 200 lads

>>5113281
Help? LMAO

>>5113286
Should've started with a skull. Learn skull next. Learning face muscles is a waste of time until you start seriously getting into expressions.

What so you guys think of this sketch I did in 20 mins using lumis.
I couldn't get the nose to look not flat and idk what to change

>>5112641
>3 fucking months
you liar, no way that took 3 months to draw, at most it was 30 minutes.

>>5112955
it looks like a titan from snk kek

>>5113336
just draw from ref or should i learn the name of the fucking bones too

>>5112876
I have no idea what >>5112999 is trying to do here. The legs aren't even a problem in this piece. Pic related

1) Angle of the rib cage is wrong. I hope it's clear from the illustration, but when you bend that way, your whole body including your spine also bends. This creates a very distinct C-shape with some folds on the side. Your piece has a completely straight pelvis and spine and angled rib cage, feels like her spine is broken.
2) Even if you drew the pose correctly, this is not the pose you make when you're trying to grab something. The bend on the rib cage is too extreme.
3) Hips are not cylindrical, they are flat on the side. This is a huge pet peeve of mine, stop drawing hips as if they are balloons
4) neck is too long, I brought it down
5) boobs are too high
6) Left hand index finger aligns perfectly with the line of the arm, major compositional mistake, make sure to avoid that
7) Hands are way too big, I left that in as it seems like a stylistic choice.

Learn gesture drawing and perspective, if you want to avoid these errors in the future.

>>5113403
>should i learn the name of the fucking bones too
Nah, fuck that. Just draw from the ref. But make sure you can draw it from all the different angles and that you know all the proportions. Draw it from memory with no reference too. Don't waste your time learning individual bones and shit.

>>5113403
proportions a bit fucked so i fixed it a little

>>5113409
alright ig i'll try front and side profile if i can find ref for it

I dunno how to get a nice even black background with graphite.

The veil was really hard, I think it's because my paper is small?

>>5113410
Good. try to draw a face over it to understand how it all fits together. There are quite a few bones that are visible under the skin (like eye sockets, for example).

>>5113353
features look symbol drawn. headshape looks ok but for the features look at ref draw what you see and construct them with 3d forms. also maybe dno't shade for now and focus on lines.

Could someone please help me with the foot? I just cannot get it to look right. She's supposed to be wearing socks.

>>5112970
when I don't know what to draw I just draw a random character with a random expression/pose/outfit.

sometimes I chose a character from the waifu draw thread on /a/, but most of the time I just choose from one of shows that I watched. For the expression/pose/outfit I choose from my reference folder.

>>5113434
Well, I tried

>Draw from ref/still life/study
>Look alright
>Do imagination drawings
>Theyre shit, but I like these more then my other stuff that looks more accurate or better
Its weird. I should draw simplified stuff more. Its fun.
Whats a good ratio of studies/still-life/ref drawings to imagination drawings I should?

>>5113466
The correct ratio is whatever leads you to draw as much as you can. You should do each, but there's no right relationship.

It looks shit, but if you like it, you're likely to keep going and improve it, so keep at it.

>>5113446
Still looks a bit off but I appreciate the attempt. Feet are hard. Thanks for trying.

i was suddenly compelled to draw this

When I'm practicing by copying other people's stuff how do I know if the anatomy is right if I don't know anatomy perfectly?
Find it hard to believe everyone perfectly studies anatomy before copying

Working on this one, still struggling to get the perspective and proportions working

Can I get some criticism? Complete /beg/, just want to improve.

>>5113558
/beg/ myself but I think the chest/pecs are too big. Also, I feel like the drawing lacks depth? Try to draw in other angles as well.

>>5113407
Any better?

I'm going to draw BIG TITTY shortstacks tomorrow and no one will stop me. They will be shit but I don't care. I want to MAKE titty

>>5113517
This is comfy. Truly.

>>5112555
These are ridiculously good from imagination. You stand out.

>>5111195
A second character

Trying to be more mindful of the advice I got last thread.

>>5111247
I hope so GMI Calf.

Still trying goblin faces. Noses are too big here.

>>5113572
Yeah, that's better. Quite a bit, actually, good job. But you need to move that index finger on her left hand. It can't overlap edge of the arm like that, it looks really bad and confusing.

What's looking wrong with this?
Is it the head position?
Is the head just too detailed for the body?

>>5113603
Will do. Thanks for the tips.

>>5113654
feet feel flat. give them some overlapping and form and it will be pretty alright. calves are too thick, calves are as thick as the thighs in the picture which isn't even close to basic proportion. no hour glass figure (looks like anime trying to be turbo realistic which is a no-go.). Either head is too big or arms and hands are too small. I (personally) am leaning on the head being too big (unless its a loli.and if its a loli you need increase the frailty of the body.) Hips not wider then shoulder, common trait in females because child birthing. Stomach screams chubby but the body say skinny. I'm sorry to say this anon but it looks like a rendered turd. stop focusing on rendering and focus on learning the basic proportions for now. NOW ANON GO STUDY SOME PROPORTIONS OF WANT TYPE OF FIGURE YOU WANT TO DRAW, BE IT KIDS OR PETITE BABES! GO DRAW, AND PRATICE!

I feel im stuck, not making progress.

>>5113676
Thanks, I'll study some proportions.
Only thing I want to say is
>Hips not wider then shoulder, common trait in females because child birthing. Stomach screams chubby but the body say skinny.
Both of those are intentional, trying to go for the semi realistic loli body type of ponsuke etc.

I haven't drawn in more than a few weeks but I actually have no idea how people rotate faces in their head.

>>5113685
Another batsy

>>5113734
work on your line quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjkPMsbvTs

>>5113654
This actually looks surprisingly decent when you shrink them like that

>>5110881
2 years if you bust your ass

>>5113558
>>5113567
here's another, trying to get a bit more dynamism in the pose (to fight the lack of depth), how's this look?

>>5113754
thanks
i love david finch, im trying to learn from him, but in this case i was going for a marc silvestri type of style, which is messier

harder to pull off than it looks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rnms7EnXvs

>>5113796
This is decent, but his back looks bloated as if he's harboring an alien egg. You have potential, might make it if you actually take this seriously and commit. You should start by learning proportions.

>>5113807
I’ve been trying to get proportions down a bit better, using heads per pic related, it’s much harder in non-easily scaled poses though (that was the reason I drew the last one hunched over, though it just looks like a dramatic shit). My biggest issue is a tendency to make torsos too long, and I symbol the hell out of pecs and clavicles (not to mentions boobs)

>>5113685
>>5113734
Try drawing him in another flavor, total /beg/, but I bet you’re in a rut because you’re symboling the form of his cowl and mouth

>>5113812
In order to improve anatomy, David Finch recommends drawing every drawing in Bridgman's book, twice. I'm considering doing it myself, but it's going to take a shitload of time because there's over 1000 drawings in that book.

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

>>5113812
yeah now practice figure drawing to learn gesture and how proportion changes in various poses

does anybody have a good simplified shape for the pelvis? there are widely accepted and used shapes for the upper body but it seems like there are dozens upon dozens of ways artists simplify the pelvis, its never the same, and almost never as practical as the upper body. im having a really hard time drawing the lower body in different angles because i don't have a shape for it

>>5113558
>>5113796
fundies, dude. gesture, construction, etc.

>>5113829
read hampton/vilppu/loomis

>>5113829
>>5113849
Going to second hampton.

New to drawing and I'm not really understanding what gesture is. The explanations I've read describe it as like the "flow" or "motion" of the pose but those words seem sort of meaningless to me. I don't really see how it's different from the shape, so I just make the lines swoopier. Any advice? Hopefully I'm not off track learning gesture right away.

Tried reading the sticky and downloading loomis but it looks like it teaches that style used in boomer cartoons, not the realistic stuff I'm interested in. Was "fun with a pencil" not the one people recommend for beginners?

>>5113876
Just keep reading anon, it's the building blocks and eventually does get to bodies. Personally not a huge fan of loomis though, as his method of teaching wasn't really right for me. Don't feel like you HAVE to read a certain book or learn a certain way, there's a million different paths.

>>5113876

You should try reading the books. Fun with a pencil is just introductory, he soon drops the blooks or whatever they are called and all his other books teach the 'realism' you want

>>5113879
>>5113894
would there be any real harm in just skipping to something like "figure drawing for all it's worth"? fun with a pencil honestly reads like a children's drawing book. my drawings would probably be shitty but wouldn't it be a better use of time to struggle through the serious stuff then to follow a step-by-step guide for drawing cartoons?

>>5113903

Yes, because fun with a pencil teaches you how to construct with very basic forms, that's the whole point of the blooks. If you are a /beg/, jumping into figure drawing right away is like doing algebra before you can add and substract. The outcome won't be any good and it will likely only serve to discourage you. But whatever, you do you.

>>5113916
I think I will just do me.

>>5113921

Don't come here to whine about how you're not improving

>>5112510
Its called shortstack, dont kinkshame me bro

Anons... I can't draw.

>>5113955
Start drawing than, faggot

Today's doodle

havent done traditional in forever. quick sketch of a wolf

>>5113999

Get reference, keep at it.

had some trouble with the elbows

>>5114002
i was using a ref but i was really just rushing through. should have worked on getting the values right a bit more

>>5113414
lmfao i fucking tried. meme hair and anatomy

>>5114010

No, values aren't really of concern for this right now, focus on getting the wolf's proportions right, and construct its head and body a little more. Post the ref and I can try to help you along later tonight.

took an old drawing and gave it clothes, does anything look really off? I rotated it a bunch but nothing really stood out, but then again i'm sub room temp iq.

>>5114023
oh so its complete shit? i wasnt using an one reference i just searched for "wolf sitting front view" and "wolf face" and sort skimmed through them. i literally only spent like 20 min on it

>>5114039
Fix the shoulder. It should be half a head on each side

>>5114009
the left elbow should be facing us, the viewer. not the right. other than that most critique would be nitpicks. nice and solid drawing anon, KEEP DRAWING SOME MORE!!!!

feet
i'm still having trouble with construction

>>5114072
like this?
I'm not sure how show it pointing towards the viewer. Do i show nothing like if it were a cone?

>>5114045

I'm trying to help. I'm not sure what you want me to say.

>>5114085
Much better

I think I fucked up and took on a challenge too advanced for me. How do I draw the lines for the face and the crown of thorns around his head?

And then there are the times things turn out so poorly you just want to snap your iPad in half.

I know I'm chicken scratching

>>5114238
I know this look line absolutely shit but I’ll coom to it nonetheless.

>>5113822
This is actually a good advice. I did that. I only drawn the whole book once, but I can confirm that it was beneficial and I saw big improvement. I honestly consider drawing it a second time at this point.

>>5113829
Pelvis has a ridiculously stupid shape in real life, and it's also not really visible under your skin outside of two bony bumps on the bottom of your stomach if you're skinny enough. I think, treating those bumps as corners of the box is the best simplified shape for pelvis you can come up with.

Just starting out, is it alright to jump into digital art without spending a chunk of time on paper? I've started reading "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" but I'm concerned about following the exercises that are aimed at physical drawing with my tablet.

>>5114285
you can start with digital, it is just that trad is better because you can transitions to digital easier than vice versa.

>>5114234

Then try to improve on it. I think you would benefit from sticking to traditional, for now.

>>5114153

Visualize the whole thing as a cone. Practice drawing ellipses.

>>5114263
thanks i guess? why exactly does it look like absolute shit though?

>>5113867
When you look at a piece of art, your eye doesn't capture every single detail at once. Instead the eye travels through the picture and looks at one part of it, then the next one, then the next one, etc. The way your eye travels is pre-planned by the artist and it's called "composition". Composition is the most important thing in art, because it determines how fun your image to look at and how much sense it makes.
Artists use lines, shapes and contrast to direct viewers eye to focal points, which are just the points artist wants you to focus on. It is achieved by giving focal points more detail and contrast, by enclosing them with shapes, and by drawing many lines that go toward focal points in specific patterns, called rhythms. Google gesture rhythm. So, when you're drawing a gesture, you need to create a composition, that leads viewer eye in a specific way, and this is usually the direction in which motion is performed by the figure. This direction is called a line of action.
For example. in pic related, initial focal point is on her tight, this is the first thing you notice. When you look at her thigh, you immediately realize that her body is twisted slightly, and then you follow her stomach to her chest (secondary focus point) and see the twits. This is basically you following the line of action with your eyes. Line of action reveals what the model is doing in a controlled, gradual fashion, which creates the illusion of motion (well, not really, but it makes you think about motion), and this is the goal of gesture drawing.
If you want to improve your gesture drawing and you don't intuitively understand the motion thing, learn about line rhythm, and composition.

>>5114305
Forgot a pic

>>5114014
You're doing goo. On the left eye, you went inside the skull a little with your face, that's a no-no. Other than that, if you memorize this shit, it will improve your portraits. Try drawing the same thing from many different angles and from imagination, then you can try something like taking a reference photo and trying to draw a fitting skull over top of it. It will teach you to recognize bony landmarks on the face in real life.

let alone know correct leg anatomy,
i cannot fucking comprehend what the underlying cylinder looks like in perspective

>>5114093
my bad i was looking for validation. the fact you werent directly criticizing made me think i actually got something right lol. thanks for the tips btw

Going through KeysTD, got good at copying the body, but I'm having a lot of trouble drawing faces. I know there's a section about it in the book, but do you guys have any more advice on how to get better at drawing them?

>>5114234
draw with your shoulder

>>5114339
Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>5114317
Honestly, you got it. Your legs seem completely fine to me. It's the upper body that is the problem, shoulders in particular.

give me the secret to draw hands and feet

>>5114388
Study.

One day. I will be able to draw poses and people from imagination
But today is not that day

What do you think?

>>5114412

>>5114388
draw a lot of hands and feet (not from imagination)
there's the secret to drawing everything

>>5110768
kind of hard to do when you character eyes are literally black holes...

>>5114456
based retard

Can I get a resource on how to draw boobs

>>5110797
just draw sticks

>>5114504
me too please

>>5113100
I'm this anon. I tried again with the heads. Left is completely imagination, middle is construction over Hampton's head from his book, and right is me freehanding it after doing the construct over. Is there any major thing I'm missing from the rightmost one? It looks a lot better to me.

i tried to draw a minotaur from imagination and he turned into a kids action figure

>>5112555
They look very nice. The only thing i can say is that the mouth of bottom-right seems narrow, and so do the front teeth. Bottom-left's left is a bit fucked too. But they look nice anon, congrats

>>5114656
*Bottom-left's left eye

Practicing female anatomy

>>5114662
stop chicken scratching

>>5114668
its not line art, just a sketch

not this shit again

>>5111540
very nice. keep it up

>decide to grind out some 30 sec gestures on quick poses
>these are the first 2 images that pop up
it's like the spirit of coom is calling to me

>>5114670
it's not about being clean, but line confidence you are making all these tiny strokes(chicken scratching) rather than one long stroke, most beg can draw a box with 4 lines but you are doing these tiny lines just to form one

ie youa re doing left when you should and could bee doing middle or right, you can trace multiple lines to find the right one thats okay but not doing tiny ones to form one

ugh.....

>>5110849
You don't need to finish drawing books. They're resources to help aid you not necessarily a story you need to read from start to finish. So good on you if you learned what you needed to from it! :)

>>5114676
Thanks a bunch!

>>5114670
I agree with the other, anon. Line confidence is a good habit to form and it'll make jumping into line drawing a bit easier and quicker. It's certainly something that helps with gesture too.

>>5114733
another shitty trad study. havent used gouache in forever

>>5110929
You stole it from pyro then slightly edited this, what a tard

>>5114749
i am pyro lol, i've posted plenty of my work to /beg/ . the other version i took out the figure and put this to make it sfw

>>5114713
>>5114737
Oh, ok. I guess I didn't really think of it like that. Line confidence is definitely something I struggle with so I guess I was just disguising my insecurities with smaller, flatter lines. I'll definitely practice line confidence as well as practice gesture like the second anon said. Thanks for the advice!

>>5114757
No worries, anon. I think most of us have been there. It's tricky at first but gets really satisfying once you can whip up some confident sketches that are passible as showable pieces because the lines are dynamic and clear.

is there anything wrong with this?

>>5114777
maybe if it wasn't a doodle it will be easier to know, so far that skirt or open thing that starts from her belly is too stiff, her torso is sliding into her pelvis and the big face

>>5114788
the skirt portion is supposed to be part of her armor so it being stiff is intentional (atleast the base of it not the end parts)

This is the body without the armor, does it still seem like the torso is sliding into the pelvis? (if so could you redline it)

>>5114799
yeha but its still the skirt part of the armor, go look at sabers armour for example, a skirt doesnts tart at the belly button lol and it doesnt end so high you can see panties

>>5114180
I like it

Trying to apply what I'm learning

>>5114799
The size of the head is gigantic even by anime standards. As a general rule of thumb, if your head is wider than your shoulders, you went too far.

>>5114876
yeah you're right, I made it smaller and changed the proportions a bit

>>5114799
uhh so this was the reason her ribcage is bigger than her lower body, the pelvis is at least above half the size of the ribcage and wider in the hips, also the legs are formless no wonder it looked so stiff no to mention they attach too high in her pelvis the quad at least, both arms are too large and their proportions are uhhh... wrong, iirc the wrist should at the crotch level and the elbows at the bottom of the ribcage or bellybutton level, she stills looks like shes missing her waist, also i assume the angle of the ribcage and pelvis are a bit tilted clockwise right?

how the fuck do you colour

ARGH
I fucking hate the face. Ive redrawn it twice.
Any tips? Anything anatomically/proportionally wrong I dont notice?
Pose is imagination but clothing is ref from historical stuff. Im probably gonna redraw the whole face again. I dont want super realistic but I dont want an anime face, but im not good enough to simply shit

>>5114966
hrb + ref

People say to use construction and not just mindlessly copy the ref, but how do I actually do that?
When I try to use construction it looks off, so I imagine plumb lines/look at neg shapes/etc, but that isn't really construction anymore.

How the FUCK do you draw hair and make-up hairstyles?

>>5114692
awooga i'm coomingggg

~15min for me. i need to work on line confidence though.

>>5115075
shit forgot the pick

>>5115023
The answer is, you draw planes. And I'm not talking about every single minor bump, I'm talking about big, major planes that span through the whole limb, face, or even through the whole body. Also, construction does not prohibit you from making accurate observation about your model, using negative shapes, and whatever else you want to. This is a misconception. In fact, if you get stuff very accurate, it will help you understand how it's oriented in space better, which in turn will make your construction better.

>>5114980
dumb booba drawer, is upposed to be cartoonish?

>>5114980

>>5115023
are you having fun with your pencil anon

>>5115105
I dont know how to describe it. Western styled art? Not anime, but not realism? I dont know.
I got some crit from a friend and Im cleaning it up now
>>5115114
Based

guys can i please get some criticism its been weeks without a single you

>>5115136
It looks good. He has a lazy eye a bit, right eye is in a different spot then the left. but you should post something different. If you post the same style study everyday people will stop responding

>>5113446
I went back and tried to adjust what you did. I would appreciate anyone else's help with the foot. This seems to sadly be the best I can do as of now.

>>5115142
Alternatively, I could just crop it I guess?

>>5115141
>If you post the same style study everyday people will stop responding

mhmm yeha very true, i think most people here do and critique bodies as well, the only other portrait anon is 4 months schizo and hes doing other stuff now as well

>>5115136
Overall, it's decent. I'm assuming this is from imagination. If this is from reference, then post the reference so that we can see what you were aiming for. As for problems, the main ones that I caught:

1) weird right brow
2) one pupil is lower than the other, didn't bother correcting that, otherwise eyes are fine
3) nose is just a straight tube: big no-no. Shape of the nose is actually quite complex and varied, in some people you see the nose bone more prominently, while in the others you don't see it at all. But it is never just a tube. At least make a bridge thinner.
4) Nose is just too short (mouth too high). It's generally better to draw a longer nose than a shorter one.
5) shape of the skull is weird. In fact, it looks like you didn't draw the skull at all. I feel like, there's not enough space under the hair and the back of the head is cut off. Looks like he's balding.
7) be more careful with your shading, there are no defined left side of the face, which looks sloppy in this case.

>>5115172
Forgot to say that the bottom of the ear generally lines up with the bottom of the nose (in fact, the ear in general just lines up with the nose, including bridge, and basically has the same length). Make what you will of that information.

>>5115142

>>5115172
this is the reference,

thank you so much for all the critique, i didnt draw the skull no and ive never drawn a skull before so i think i need to practice that

>>5115178
Wow, thank you so much anon. I really appreciate your help. What resource did you use to do feet?

>>5115122
?????

>>5115184
I hope, this shit is clear. Basically, you lost the angle of the face. This is why you need to draw the skull. Angle of the skull, angle of the jaw and position of the ears (how they line up with the eyes in particular) informs us on the angle of the face. Because you didn't draw the skull, it looks we're looking at the dude straight and his ear is just misplaced, when in reality, we look at him slightly up. Also, notice the nose bone (or whatever it's actually called).

>>5115205
this is it laid over

the back of the head did need to be cut in yeah, i think in general i just needed to define better

Total beginner, I've got this rough sketch I started a couple hours ago and I can't tell if it'll come out decent if I work on it a little longer or if there's just something I'm fundamentally lacking. Gone through the sticky several times and this is basically my attempt at putting it into practice.

>>5115228
Lower jaw's not pictured because I was trying to draw a curbstomping for a story I'm working on.

>>5115228
/beg/ myself but I think there is a lot of symbol drawing? Also, what's the reference?

new thread
>>5115258
>>5115258
>>5115258
>>5115258
>>5115258

>>5115244
I used a lot of different ones but I think this was the most prominent

>>5115261
Try the book, Keys to Drawing, first so you can draw more accurately.

>>5115266
I will, thanks

>>5113796
>>5113807
>>5113822
>>5113831
Back for more criticism, can someone beat up this attempt? Started Bridgman as another anon suggested

>>5114960
Thanks,for the advice i didn't notice how off the arms were, and i see what you mean with the rib cage and pelvis

>>5115205

It's called the glabella, or keystone