/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Not sure what’s going wrong but I feel like I’m not getting the reflectivity I’m looking for. I changed some of the detailing to help indicate form but I’m mainly struggling with getting a striped look instead of reflectivity...

>>5106773
For /beg/ that's honestly pretty good looking

>>5106774
Thank you; that really means a lot to me! It's my first time and took way too long

I just cleaned up this sketch, how does it look? Do I need to change anything before I colour it?

Any good guides for drawing knuckles/webbing inbetween fingers?

Can someone please help me understand why this looks like the dude from Metalocalypse instead of a woman?

Doodled out a Warhammer conversion that I'm working on.
Two hobbies with one stone I guess.

Well shit I accidentally drawn literal tranny instead of a proper female head anatomy sketch.

>tfw perspective finally starting to click
next lighting?

>>5106842
The heavy brow and big chin make it more masculine

Happy new year

Alright, total beginner who's probably worrying too much, but I want to ask this anyway.

I've tried to learn several times before but got frustrated and gave up. Then I read the /asg/ screencap (https://imgur.com/zNDsyF0)) and decided to try it again.

I downloaded the whole IC-TORRENT and have decided to start with the fundamentals, since the screencap says that those will help, but that it's mostly about copying anime. Should I bother with anything else besides what's in the Fundies folder? I don't give a shit about being able to draw anything but manga.

>>5106790
how long in /asg/ until i can draw like this

>>5106896
>I've tried to learn several times before but got frustrated and gave up
Because you're not having fun, thus drawing ends up feeling like work. If you want to draw manga, more power to you!

>>5106846

Can anyone tell me why my Inking is so soulless?

Anything I can do or tutorials you would recommend?

>>5106927
No shading

>>5106927
Even worse without the sketch layer.

>>5106930
So how do people like Edouard Guiton (pic related) get away with it?

Thinner lines, messier/cluttered designs?

>>5106933
that also looks soulless to me
start hatching

>>5106933
>>5106931
>>5106927
see

>>5106933
Bro this is worse than yours, it looks like there’s barely any weight to the lines

>>5106948
exactness and detail != soul
his drawing is extremely generic and has no value

>>5106948
It’s not amazing. I think you’re idolizing they guy too much and putting your own work down because of it

>>5106935
>that also looks soulless to me
How? The guys mastery and use of conveying form and the way he chooses to exaggerate are peak soul.

Now that I look at his work he picks out a lot of little details and hints at texture.

>>5106945
But the issue I see with mine is that it looks like it's from a kids colouring book. Is that just the fate of all thick lined B/W drawings?

>>5106939
Like pic related? I like hatching but not copious ammounts of it. Still it's something I need to learn and apply properly.

>>5106952
>>5106951
Maybe you guys have a point and I've got some kind of weird rose-tinted glasses on but I don't know the guys work just fuels my desire to git gud.

>>5106957
This is a cluttered mess with no focal point, it’s good that you have inspo and the drive to draw but with what you’ve posted of the guy you definitely haven’t sold me on him at all

Where are all the resources on learning how to paint?

>>5106961
Different strokes I guess.

>>5106842
Transwomen are women, bigot.

>>5106994
And man faces are man faces regardless of what pronouns they use

What do you think? Ignore the hands at the moment

>>5107032
It’s such a pet peeve of mine when I see people leaving those big ass triangles between the thighs at the top

>>5107032
Pigtails feel really stiff and that neck is way too fat.

I don't know how to improve.

>>5107084
Stop shading with black

dodson's key to drawing fucking sucks. literally fell asleep while reading. couldve spent that half hour drawing but instead i looked at a bunch of useless scribbles and bullshit about "omg just draw the thing you look at" as if thats not what im already doing

>>5107092
I believe you, but why?

>>5107111
because it becomes ugly and muddy otherwise

STOP DRAWING CARTOONS YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
GO FIND A REFERENCE PHOTO AND SKETCH IT NOW. On paper.

Yesterday's doodles

>>5107132
STOP ENJOYING DOING THINGS I DON'T

>Can spend literally the whole day watching educational content on drawing
>Brain shuts off the moment I actually plug in my tablet and open CSP

>>5107163
Try photoshop see if that works

Posted this on last thread and got ignored, please say something bros

>>5106768
I want to learn digital art but I can't understand how to colour images.

Do you just create a different layer for each separate colour and use the wand tool to select what needs colouring?

>>5107132
if I could draw anything except fucking Peppa Pig I wouldn't be on /beg/, faggot

>>5106927
Rather than the linework I think your biggest problem is in your design. I assume it's a "ranged" class. Why does a ranged character have spikes and pauldrons? (close-range combat) Why doesn't it have protection on it's pelvis? How the fuck do you fire a gun without a trigger or handle?

>>5107173
what it looks okay just be careful of the line weight and you'll be fine.

>>5107084
No joke, needs Loomis. Or Hampton, or ron lemen. Dynamic sketching via Peter Han, Drawabox or ModernDayJames. Mostly you just need practice.

>>5107185
that's funny, you got to learn proportions. If you just want to learn heads look up hudson head video on youtube.

>>5107202
The character is a loyal fanatic from grim sci-fi dystopia. The guy's more of a scrapper with a fancy gun than an marksman.

Based on this figure I made from random bits.

>How the fuck do you fire a gun without a trigger or handle

Valid crit. I'm honestly surprised that I was able to get the gun to look as decent as I did.

Some doodling

>implying Peppa Pig isn't good shit.

>>5107220
I'M GONNA WARHOOM

>>5107185
Getting a head/face to look right is really fucking hard. Our brains are ridiculously good at unconsciously picking out something wrong in a human face. Feng Zhu goes on about it in his lectures. In the beginning it might be better to draw stuff like rocks, trees, animals and bugs. >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XYoenU-0c Check it out.

Hi everyone!

>>5106927
You have basically 3 major problems:
1) you use line weight randomly
2) you don't use tools available to you to show the form properly (overlaps, going across the form)
3) just overall lack of detail

What I did here, is I just went over your sketch with a messy outline removing completely all line weight and replacing it just with lines showing thickness. This is obviously too quick and messy to use as an actual lineart, it's just to illustrate a point. I also tried to use lines to show form better by going across the form in several places, and trying to emphasize overlaps, particularly with folds. Folds on your image are just random, not good. Folds should generally wrap the form together with the fabric, not be straight.
About the line weight: you use it in this image to show thickness, but that is incorrect. Line weight is a composition tool and should be used as such to highlight focal point. Thick lines in your image do not create a coherent composition, this is why this shit doesn't work.
If you want to improve your inking, you should do what other anons are telling you and start to incorporate shading. This will help you understand how and where to put your line weight, also, will help you get a better grasp on form.

>>5107272
Hey man thanks for time and effort you put into your in-depth response and critic. I appreciate it.

I'll take what you have said on board and dive into some shading studies and redouble my efforts on cloth and form.

>>5106768
>How to draw what you see
is this like upgraded betty edwards?

>>5107243
Peppa pig is probably the final boss of gmi. I know a guy who has been drawing him since he was 2 years old and he still can't do it. These days he's some sort of illiterate wreck who eats crayons, cries all the time and occasionaly shits himself when he's not sleeping 13 hours a day.

>>5107110
NGMI

>>5107032
what's up with people who coom to armpits not knowing how to draw armpits? literally, every 99.9% of all armpit drawings are pure trash. look at lolichads who actually learn how to draw to realize their fetish and step up your game, armpitbros.

>>5107149
fingers are way too long, study hand proportions. but good effort.

Am I forming the feel? How are my texturing and values? Yes I know I could've made the sides of the dish smoother but I didn't feel like it

>>5107320
the sushi looks good but the plate could use some work

Someone posted a Japanese character drawing technique a few days ago which imaged the character as a sheet of paper; does anyone have the image? I've been trying to find it but I can't

How long until I am out of /beg/?

Any tips for how to do gestures in general? Someone suggested to me to use proper masses instead of stickmen but it's even harder

>>5107354
Depends on how much effort you put in. You'll get out of here faster if you don't bother coming here.

>>5107354
at the rate you're practicing, 5 years

>>5107396
I churn 1 full drawing in a week

>>5107397
post your work

>>5107366
Pages 6-7 of Hampton’s book

>>5107366
watch how vipplu does it on youtube

>>5107401
unfinished

>>5107405
you're decent. if you keep that going, you will be pretty good in a couple of years. but don't neglect your anatomy, it will help a lot.

drew this quickly last night before bed, how'd I do?

I wanted to do something with the other side of the linoleum strip so I made an anchovy. This print of the dagger has some pressure artifacts from little specs of the speedycarve material that got trapped under the paper though

Is the whole book of Keys to Drawing recommended or just the first part?

>>5107185
I didn't wanna crit you without giving it a shot.

More than anything you want to look for shapes and angles that help you get a resemblance. Also try to problem solve as you go, your first go will never be perfect.

Try to ask questions like "how big is x distance compared to y distance?" "is this wider than in the ref?" "how angly is this angle?"

>>5107423
These are dope anon. They also honestly may have plenty of sale value if you print them on shit and sell it on etsy or wherever, cause it's something people might went on a decoration or a garment

>>5107451
Thanks! I’m gonna keep working on my carving + drawing skills for the time being since I still have a lot to learn, but I may try selling prints at some point in the future.

What makes this so flat? I've spent half an hour on this while other people get better results in not even 5 minutes, and most of that half an hour is just trying to get the proportions I want on my character right

>>5107478
One reason it may look flat is that you’ve drawn an outline. To give the drawing dimensionality you need to render values

>>5107501
>you need to render values

>>5107478
>What makes this so flat
Does this look flat to you? When you're drawing through form and have decent anatomy and perspective, it doesn't look flat. You did it for these parts, do the same for the rest of the figure. Use a reference like a mirror or 3d model, if you can get the angle on the other leg and hands right.

>>5107524
>if you can get the angle on the other leg and hands right
can't, not can

Hi, 4 months anon here
Been trying to do things like in Keys to Drawing, help
fucked up here because of the size of many things, gross lines

>>5107540

>>5107339
somone please help i looked through every archive i still cant find it

I am now going to try to do a daily portrait to hopefully kill my symbol drawing habits

>>5107540
>>5107542
Anyone? Am I doing that badly?
>>5107572
Can I try drawing that?

>>5107548
So the technique about counting heads in perspective by folding the character ?

Because I think Loomis also did that one

>>5107585
yeah why not. your stuff looks good but Im too beg to crit

>>5107588
Wait, wrong image

>>5107572
Draw with your eyes, not your brain.

>>5107585
If your doing that "blindly copy shapes without any regard for the 3d structure" thing, do it from photographs, not from other drawings. This is a complete waste of your time.

Damn, that one anon that is on a crusade against symbol drawing really did a huge disservice to all the begs in this thread.

>>5107621
No shit

>>5107478
Alright, I've spent around 2 hours just for the base and for making it as good looking as I could, but overall I feel like I am slow as fuck when not even pro artists do poses like these in much lower time and with better methods too. Any tips for practicing correctly, and overall feedback on this drawing?

>>5106768
Is this worth a buy?

>>5107625
I fucked up, fuck, wait until you see the legolas one, massive fuck up

>>5107625

>>5107625
>Damn, that one anon that is on a crusade against symbol drawing really did a huge disservice to all the begs in this thread.
What?

>>5107625
I keep telling these fags to stop drawing incestuous anime shit and instead draw from life, but then I get shit on by /beg/s who don’t know any better.

From big shapes to small ones, maybe I took it too far, not only was this a pain in the ass, I wont even get near to finishing it
The reference was a bad idea I know
One side of her face no longer fits on the paper because I suck at sizes, tried so hard to correct this or just "focus on the hardest shape, features" but nope.

I NEED TO FUCKING IMPROVE ALREADY
Observation before Loomis, I fucking hate Loomis and I think I need Digital to do the Marco Bucci course because you can't translate the same exact measurements if the reference is on a screen while you're on FUCKING paper

>>5107672
>One side of her face no longer fits on the paper because I suck at size
It's not because you suck at sizes. It's because it's fucking impossible to fit this shit on paper correctly without construction

>>5107671
>People dont like drawing what they dont like
Who would have thunk it

>>5107671
I try to draw from life anon, but I can't render for shit, it would look flat because how the fuck am I meant to represent shadows and volumes in real life when I have no idea how to imply on the fucking paper.
>>5107679
Am I wasting my time? I don't want to waste another 4 fucking months not fucking IMPROVING

>>5107683
Believe it or not, 4 month is not that long in terms of art. This shit takes a ton of time, you sometimes may go for a year without visible improvement. Good news is, there are also periods of explosive growth, were you improve very rapidly. Obviously, it partly depends on how you practice, but only partly. Think of it as learning a hard video game. Sometimes you get stuck at a difficult part for a long ass time, but if you keep at it, you will get past it eventually.

>>5107687
I already know that, but can't you give me a gauge on my "progress" so far I'm still not seeing the spark.
Pic related is my goal yet this shit is hard, almost impossible, I feel like Sisyphus
I'm only using Keys To Drawing plus Fun with a pencil, this is almost a herculean task

>>5107666
>>5107687
See this, my construction as the basis fucked up the rest and then I literally don't know how to imply volume, texture or shadows.

>>5107678
>if I will do the x course I will git gud

>>5107548
The way you describe it probably the hitokaku book

>>5107671
Boohoo :(

>>5107697
Are you a complete fucking stupid bellend and a piece of shit not deserving of life? His course is often cited as a good way to understand and draw HUMAN heads, oh wow and I happen to think that DRAWING HUMAN HEADS is one of my interests in FUCKING DRAWING, how FUCKING CURIOUS!

>>5107697
>If I do a course from a professional l I will not improve, I will not learn, nothing will happen.

>>5107703
Kek, seethe more schizo. Better of you to have an insurance in case of mental breakdown.

>>5107711
Yes, literally this happens. Retards place their hand on everything they can, but end up with even more frustration and disappointment from their own labor.

>>5107715
Anyone stupid enough not to understand why the course is worth attempting is of no consequence, whatever you say to me has no worth no impact, you're not something that exists, you're a surplus existence.
Fucking idiot
>want to draw better heads?
>A course about that? No man, I don't see the why lol.

>>5107717
Youre projecting. There was a noticeable jump in the quality of my work pre Loomis/dynamic sketching and post loomis/dynamic sketch. Just because you are a "misunderstood genius" (I.e lazy fucking retard) in school doesnt mean everyone is.

>>5107722
Anon, tell me how to improve am I on the right path? I know it's too early to tell but tell me

>>5107720
Schizo grew confident in his abilities, I suppose. Well, proceed. But I will wait for you to crawl back to this God forsaken board and whine about how shit you are.

>>5107730
How about you draw instead? God you're pathetic

>>5107734
You first nigger. Im drawing in the garyc thread on /v/

>>5107634
The guy is sitting on the very edge of the box but overall it's not bad perspective wise. Proportions and anatomy of course not very good. As for speed the only thing that will help is practice. Another is to stop doing 3-5 lines where one will suffice. If you feel that your lines are too wobbly start your warm ups with line and curve drawing exercises - place 3-5 random dots and connect them with a smooth curve or straight lines, without lifting the pen from the screen/paper.

>>5107722
Oh yes, I am projecting, what now?
Genius? I don't even care what label is placed upon me, because it is pointless receiving any kind of status on this basket weaving forum.

>>5107692
3-5 years depending on how much time you spend per day. And that's assuming you purely concentrate on drawing manga characters.

>>5107734
>NOOOOOO YOU MUST DRAW
God, drawies are so pathetic. Go make money, because art won't make you any.
>MUH HOBBY
Enjoy being a hobo. Considering some shit as a hobby you try to make a nice stash of "money equivalent", aka social gratification and personal ego inflation points. So you basically crave money, but in it's social properties (fame, being a "valuable and respectable person', etc)
Go find a job, drawie.

Should I be erasing my construction lines or tracing my drawing into tracing paper

>>5107751
Bullshit, I have to learn to draw the traditional way, otherwise you're a copycat, Observation>construction>gesture>composition>etc until you develop style, so new timeline?
3-5 years? I guess that's what it would take for the talented
>>5107760
Money? I already got cash I don't give a fuck about a job, I want to do art, that simple.
Holy fucking projection lmao.

>>5107769
3-5 years is a staple for most complex skills.

>>5107787
>>5107769
Meant to say what it would take for the untalented, but sure, whatever you say.

>>5107769
Stop larping schizo. I can't even think that such mentally unstable, constantly whining person can get a job, yet alone be wealthy.
And yes, nice 'strategy' to call everything a projection. Stop being a 13yo kiddo.
>UR PROJOOCTING HURR DURR

>>5107792
There's a schizo and other retard who larps as one. And both of them think that they are talented.

>>5107805
Quite the contrary anon, I've never said I'm talented.
>>5107800
I'm 19, I'm like way too young to get a job you idiot.
My favorite insult and most people don't take it as one because they're heavily deluded is to call someone a twitter artist, go work on those commissions anon, god knows you need them.

>>5107813
you will never be an artist

>>5107813
Yes, you (never) said that. At least I have zero evidence of it.
>19yo
>too young to get a job
Well... You either lack any technical or social skills or you are just plainly neeting all around.
I didn't understand your ramblings about twatter, but whatever, I have no accounts there.

>>5106790
leave beg

>>5107766
If you want to. It shouldn't matter, unless you drew them really thick and prominent. Most pros draw them extremely light and then don't bother erasing them. They shouldn't be distracting and in a way they give more character and texture to the drawing.

>>5107766
I had the same problem but I started using a 4H pencil for construction and now the guidelines are so light I don't need to erase them

>>5107866
Your art is shit.

>>5107920
We all were bad once.

>>5107478
>>5107634
i really dig the thicc limb propotions you got going on. goodjob bro

Who's better, hampton or vilppu?

how would i go about mimicking this shading style? studing body planes? it's simple, but i feel like it would really make my quick sketches pop, yah know?

>>5107698
THANK YOU I FOUND IT <3

>>5107920
I don't know who you are and I don't care what you think.

>GIGA BOSS
>THE FINAL SNAKE CLONE
>RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WORLDWIDE NANOMACHINE INFESTATION IN 2019
>THE REAL ARCHITECT BEHIND "THE GREAT RESTART"
>TRAINED BY VENOM SNAKE AND OCELOT
>OC DO NTO STEAL

Any good exercises for training your eye to recognize proportions/relationships? I've been using obsessive measurement to overcome symbol drawing, but it's kind of a crutch, and a pretty shitty one because of human error creeping in. Atm I'm trying to eyeball proportions, mark them, and then measure to see how my guess compares, but progress is slow.

>>5107621
> anon doesnt think
ngmi

>>5107671
pyw

Is drawing an armature a valid way to do gesture? Like from this book?
http://files.catbox.moe/qcka97.pdf

Gonna start painting this and wanted to know what value to start with. Should I lay down mid-tone and then finish lights before moving on to shadow?

>>5108054
Usually your darkest dark would work as a good starting point. Especially here when it’s so blatantly dark.

I tried doing that thing where you draw a portrait upside down and I dont know If it looks better then when I draw normally

>>5108092
Well anon we can't know if we can't see what it'd look like normally

>>5108099
I drew >>5107572 earlier

>>5106768
Can someone critique?
Would go farther w/ shading and whatnot but I feel like I would be polishing a turd, not sure what exactly I should be fixing though outside of hair/cloth

>>5108104
It's a little better? Not by much tho

>>5108105
Everything above the breasts looks too small for the body. Also the arms are insterted incorrectly into the shoulder girdle.

>>5108108
Yeah Im convinced I'm retarded. I gonna go copy barque plates or something

>>5108105
not bad if you are day 1 beg, otherwise literally everything get a ref with a similar pose from any booru and you will see most of your mistakes immediately

>>5108112
Nah, don't fuss, heads are difficult and it can take years to do them convincingly. Keep at it and do it often.

Dodson helped me out quite a bit.

>>5108143
How long?

First digital drawing.
Harsh criticism appreciated.

>>5108145
How long what?

>>5107839
>>5106790
Those man hands are kinda fucked though and the bangs are shit

>>5108148
how long is your cock

>>5108146
why didn't you use a ref

>>5108157
microscopic

A bully here called my art bad and now when I try to draw I just feel like crying :(

>>5108173
Then give up, you don't have what it takes

>>5108173
Are you 12

>>5108175
I have what it takes to bribe a janny to give me your posting ip

>>5108177
no but I am a rape victim just trying to cope with my severe mental illness through art

>>5108185
This is not the board for you

>>5108178
do it, key's under the mat, I'll wear my best jockstrap

>>5108160
you mean a reference for the anatomy?

>>5108143
Thanks. Ill copy barque for a day or so and check that out

>>5108146
>>5108160
My bad, this is the correct one, I was testing hard shadow edges against faded shadowing.

>forgot how to draw

>>5108220
Honestly everything is off about this to the point where I can list every problem, better to just start over

>>5108239
grind till you remember

>>5107930
b-bros

>>5107930
>how would i go about mimicking this shading style
LMAO

>>5108273
oh fuck is that not shading? please don't bully the /beg/

>>5108249
That's the problem really, just don't even notice the problems, it just seems off yet I don't know why. Leaving the background aside I'm guessing the right eye and the cat ears which are really low quality for starters.

>>5108276
Just outline the shadow shapes and fill them differently according to darkness. I'm not either of the replies, but they're probably laughing because this technique is practially self-evident.

is this anything i can salvage or just do over? i have no clue on why it looks so off

>>5107687
What counts as "4 months" tho? Is that 8hrs of concentrated work a day? Or is that drawing at least everyday, when you can?

I've been doing this for longer than I care to account for or admit to myself. I can hold out if it's truly just about grinding, but I am similarly frustrated with a lack in progress/always having to relearn when life gets in the way.

>>5106922
You won’t draw like that using that shitty thread. Also it’s not even that good

>>5108305
lemme see the ref, cuz that looks like a broken neck

>>5108321

looking at the thumbnail, it is really obvious now. i guess stepping back isn't a meme after all

>>5107313
some day they will learn.

>>5106790
youre not fucking beg

>>5106768
What more could I do for my coloring?

I accidentally threw away my reference, an old Nat geo. How was I doing? Been a looooong time since I tried drawing from reference, trying to take drawing seriously now

Posting some sketches I did over the holly days. I've always had trouble with chicken scratches so I figured this pen I got will help me out with that.

I did this for the /vp/ drawthread

>>5107313
>>5108342

Saved. Thanks anons

Composition from imagination

>>5108352
This is really good

is this form

Tried doing a different body type on the left and practiced dome line weight on the right.

barque grind begins

>>5108367
>>5108371
>>5108374
these are not bad just focus on proportions and you'll be good.

>>5108370
not bad just some wrong proportions errors. Don't be afraid to draw them hands

>>5108344
Sure they are, wtf are you on

>>5108384
Thanks. I've always had a hard time with proportions for some reason. I do the eight head method and my legs always come up looking way too big.

I also don't really know the distance between the bottom of the ribcage and top of the pelvis as well as where the widest point on the ribcage is, sofar I'm just guessing

>>5108375
Looks pretty good anon. I would try to find a more natural charcoal-esque brush though to use for these though, you'll get more out of it I think

>>5108366
Figure I can move on to more fundamentals?

>>5106768
harsh anatomy critique appreciated

>>5108352
i dont think you should be on /beg/

>>5108220
Anon, I'm sorry to say, but shading or ears is not the problem here. Pic related. I color coded it so that it is more clear. Basically, there are certain angles between features that the human brain is trained to understand. In your picture angle of the head tells us that the head is looking straight, while angle of all the features (eyes, nose, lips, chin) tells us that the head is looking up. This is a major mistake and you should work on correcting it asap. I advise you to focus heavily on drawing instead of shading and coloring in the future. Remember that learning to shade and color is much easier and faster than learning how to draw. Do the hard thing first. Also, you would greatly benefit from learning fundamentals of art, such as perspective, proportions, anatomy, etc.

>>5108450
Yeah dude, you don’t belong on beg

One I did from source

I don’t feel like finishing this shit.

Finally finished this drawing I've been stalling on for like a week. I'm really happy with the results but I feel like I could have done the hair better.

>>5108522
this looks heavily referenced, the shadow under her neck is cutting throught her cheek, chicken mouth and weird ear, bottom jaw seens in a different angle from the rest of her face

>>5108456
long neck

Do you draw the side planes of the boxes for hips/torso if the person is facing towards you or should it just be the front plane?

>>5108475
Yeah, I think I'll start copying other drawings to analyze their anatomy first, leaving coloring aside. Thanks a bunch for the thorough answer, never thought about moving the references to the drawing like that, helps a lot.

>>5106790
Hands too big

>>5108560
just the front plane. quickposes has a bunch of terrible fashion-magazine poses, so I empathize.

>>5106964
That's still drawing. Get really really good at rendering and tonal work.

>>5108448
>I would try to find a more natural charcoal-esque brush though to use for these though, you'll get more out of it I think
Oh yeah, this feels way better. Thanks for the tip

>>5108613
Head is too short

>>5108624

>>5108625
sorry meant to see I'm a retard

>>5108631
No worries

Is this a good composition? Everybody look proportional and in perspective?

This might be too many figures for me to pull off but I'll make the attempt.

>>5106768
Do you cock suckers actually think loomis is a good way to start drawing
>need to be good enough lines/control to draw a very good circle
>need to be good enough to then draw good contour lines on it
This is just step 1, do you faggots honestly think most beginners can draw near perfect circles?

>>5108704
If they played Pokémon ranger, yeah

>>5107421
Tiniest head ever

>>5108704
If you think you need to draw perfect circles to use loomis method, you're retarded

>>5108704
Beginners think they can draw heads from imagination with Loomis method. Truth is they still need to draw a few hundred from reference first.

>>5107572
Keys to Drawing attempt, breaking things into big shapes first and then working your way down, bad attempt? I changed the eyes, sorry, same with ears
Am I getting it or not?

>>5108784

is it wrong that i take from everything around me in order to gain something valuable

A month and a half into drawing now, making progress and still grinding out basic stuff, but im getting tired of the disadvantages of pencil and paper already. Should I just move onto Digital and buy a decent tablet? thanks.

>>5108903
Pencil and paper has Zero disadvantages.

>>5108906
Ok then tell me how to zoom my eyes in super close to make small fine details and control+Z instead of erasing and making a mess over time without a tablet

>>5108908
Stop drawing on postage stamps and using shitty erasers.

>>5108784
no one? I'll keep practicing my shapes then

>>5108674
>Everybody look proportional and in perspective?

mfw every figure is in a different perspective. you can change the perspective if you are skilled enough ig.

Not sure if I'm doing a color study right I feel like I'm just eyedropping colors by value and randomly placing brush strokes LOL

i tried to make a suitcase but gave up made a second one by eye. i think im making good progress

>>5108903
it's just comfort, digital has the benefit of doing things faster that's about it.

>>5108784
his left ear is sticking out too far and i think the nose and mouth got shifted a bit off center otherwise not bad

>>5108921
i think you need some hard edges, everything is blurred right now

>>5108908
draw bigger. but if you have the money why not. xp pen is a good budget brand

>>5108977
Don't give a shit, still going to draw lol
>>5108971
Thanks, yep, I started using my pen on the eyes first so I messed up some scales, never got around ficing the nose and the ear, now that's just being unskilled, would you say I'm getting akeys to Drawing?

>>5106790
So are they beg or not?

Made a few changes to this, anyone have any comments about the colors or other feedback? I'm essentially colorblind and im paranoid that they're ass, doesn't help that my cintiq isn't very accurate.

I don’t know what I’m doing wrong but the values don’t look right. Is there anything obvious that I’m doing wrong in the values/colors? Also when I take away the line-art layer, it looks much worse.

How to I transition from realistic shading and proportions to anime/cartoon style? Whenever I try the results just look like shit and I feel like there must be some kind of trick that I'm missing...

Anyone have any good tutorials?

>>5109143
The reference uses a dark background, that probably changes your perception of the actual color

>>5109063
I don't know much at all about color theory, but what I do know is that the background color is a bit too similar to your female character's hair and skin tone. unless that was intentional, it prevents your character from standing out

>>5109164
Interesting... In that case I'll start matching the background for the studies. I guess color is sort of relative to surrounding colors? Thank you.

>>5107313
waagghhh im gonna cCCCCOOOOOOOMMMMMM

How do complex organic lines come about if it's all one quick continuous motion? I don't see how that could be 100% shoulder.

I only got two hour of sleep last night and I'm fucking dying I don't think I can do my reps today...

>>5109189
sleep is for the weak. Do crystal meth.

Yesterday's doodle

>>5109189
don't worry about missing reps, you're more likely to engage in the abstinence violation effect, colloquially known as the "fuck it" effect, causing you to completely stop after breaking your streak.

hello 4 chan, how's the day?
here is my art created yesterday, care to a share critique?
i draw random things, i use references very often.
most of my art is guessing if it would work.
i adore araki's art style so yeah... imitation.

for the opinions:
during Christmas i was given enough money for an upgrade,
i ask my trusted friend about upgrading a tablet,
he said if i would upgrade it's not the tablet , he said upgrade something else.
he is not wrong, i could say that it also points that i still need to improve my skills.

>>5109236

Still need to know if it's possible to practice drawing on a note 9 with very little skill.

I'm so basic with my drawings because I am an absolute beginner, what is next to learn? what needs the absolute most work here or just a next step for me in general please

>>5109270
Your lines aren't bad, proportions are a little off but nothing too hideous, I'd focus on shading next personally.

>>5109239
>YO JOJO

>>5109270
Way too much to put into one post so I'll just say the fundies in general, but your values are lacking most. Read Keys to Drawing or take a beginner video course.
If you wanna draw anime then start with copying and analyzing your favorite artists, And don't come to /beg/ since retards here hate anime. If you wanna draw people then look into figure drawing basics like gesture and anatomy.

>>5109265
>6,4 inch display
Sounds like torture. Just get a tablet computer or draw on printer paper instead.

>>5109273
here's a bust I did with shading, first and only shading / painting attempt I've made yet

does anything look off? Did i tilt her spine too much

Alright, did a sketch of Lucca this morning. Any critique on the lighting itself before I ink it?

>>5108915
How are they in different perspective? I don't see it. Everyone's eyes are lined up to the horizon line.

>>5109315
gun and hand lighting is wrong. If the light is from the top right.

coomers I need your help, drawing this from imagination, before I continue colouring and clean up the toes can you tell me if the anatomy looks correct?

>>5109359
horizon line matches the cameras eye line, not the models. your poses have inconsistent horizon lines.

>>5109465
who knows maybe i'm the one who's blind

4 month fag has gained confidence and making /ic/ seethe their pants off.
A very interesting development

>>5109504
>Just wait for him to start a coup against d/ic/ks
It is already in the execution

I'm starting to think people on deviantart have bots that automatically like everything. I've been posting absolute shit and bad studies on it to save space on my hard drive and there's always a dozen guys who mark them as favorite despite the low quality and my best efforts to hide the stuff.

Fucking zoomers and their endless need for attention.

>>5108674
You do know that your focal point in the low left corner, do you? Perspective is fine.

>>5109461
>can you tell me if the anatomy looks correct?
Looks anorexic, like there's no muscle under skin. Also, remove random lines from the soles, they are really wrong.

>>5109504
huh where is 4months posts?

Posted this in another veg thread but it died apparently. Please give critiques friends

>>5108784
>>5108791
Draw more and you might start to enjoy it.

>>5109461
L i n e w e i g h t

The anatomy looks passable but every line looking the same and that bad middle ground of not thin enough to convey the anime style but not thick enough to convey western cartoons will make a drawing look /beg/ every single time. It's boring and looks like you didn't put any thought into the outline other than "let me take this hard round brush and outline my sketch now with equal pressure."

https://youtu.be/ZzgrOMCd380 watch this video.

Hey /ic/. Utterly new at this; drawing a figure drawing a day to improve, been going at it for 3 weeks, learning to figure draw from life references. I feel something's "off" with my initial structure sketches. I feel like the structure is there as I can make bodies out of simple shapes but I can't feel the gesture in what I draw, so things come out a bit zombie-ish or frankensteinish. They're lacking the "beauty" I see in other figure drawings that later gets translated into a finished thing. I think I might not be curving the limbs enough. Any idea what I should be looking at to improve? Pic attached is what I drew today and the reference used.

>>5109697
This meme gets funnier every time it's posted.

>>5109700
One figure a day is far, far too little.

Read Vilppu's Drawing Manual, and start getting used to 30-60 second figures.

You're gonna need to be able to draw simple forms (cubes, spheres, cones, cylinders) well in order to make good figures, so get on that.

>>5109700
There's no gesture in your drawings because based on what you said, you've never done a gesture drawing before.

>>5109751
>Read Vilppu's Drawing Manual
Is that better than michael hampton's figure drawing: design and invention?

>>5109751
>>5109768

Thanks for the feedback. I'm doing simple shapes at the same time and haven't really gotten that down yet due to a lack of coordination so I'll focus on that for a while. I think once I can get precise and fluid shapes it'll start coming together.

For >>5109700

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>>5109751
>and start getting used to 30-60 second figures.

Disregard this retard. 30-60s drawings aren't for /beg/s. Go simpler, look at the pose, and fix your mistakes.

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Your drawing is fine for a beginner. Yes, it's off. Everything will be off when you first start. No, it's not about the limbs not curving enough, not yet anyway. Translation, ie. what drawing is, isn't the issue here yet. It's much simpler than that.

You need to begin by being able to check your proportions of things, regardless of anatomical knowledge, and fix it. I want you to take a measurement of some of his body part and compare it, vertically and horizontally, to other parts. I also want you to check where things are, horizontally and vertically, compared to other parts.

Example: the vertical line of the back of his head, extended all the way down, intersects with the back of his hand (knuckles), as well as the line of his back to the ribcage area where his elbow is, and extends all the way down to the leg that's carrying his weight. His leg carrying weight sits slightly lower in the photo compared to his other leg (due to perspective).

Do you see it? This is where you need to begin. Introduce gesture, sweeping curves and other translation devices on top of seeing these big proportional relationships. Later on you can exaggerate the pose for your own benefits (see the book Force by Mike Mattesi for this - but it's an advanced topic).

Double check your head, hands, shoes/feet at times, because they tend to be for most people either too small (almost always) or too large.

>>5109700
You're not gonna learn shit trying to draw figures in loose baggy clothing.

Super beginner here, just posting my first trial of a "full" body female anatomy. Haven't learned hands or feet yet so i just made them stupid

>>5109700
>>5109809
Attached a pic that shows what I'm talking about.

I would urge you to avoid explicitly drawing these lines out, and instead train your eyes to see these things. You can always double-check afterwards and make mental notes for yourself of what you did wrong, and try to account for them in a subsequent drawing you do.

Avoid most of the book recommendations here for the time being. Get your eyes used to observing proportions and angles first, the rest will follow.

>>5109829
Bro. Go read loomis. Go copy a pre drawn body of a female you like.

Starting with these random lines is just retarded, go. go.

>>5109829
well its a start, just make sure you draw from a reference in the beginning. It makes it easier to compare your drawing and finding mistakes.

>>5109829
It's fine to give it a shot if you're having fun with it I think, but it's gonna be a while before learning anatomy will do you any good. Go study fundies first, anatomy is the last step in line for figure drawing. It's like trying to do algebra when you don't know what numbers are yet.

I need help understanding gesture. I know I'm supposed to "feel it", but all I can muster up is a bunch of C waves that connect back and forth and I don't think I'm getting gesture right.

>>5109857
>gesture

>>5109809
>>5109832

Thanks anon this is super-helpful. Do you have any methods of measuring out where things should be on the page? At the moment I'm using a ruler or measuring with my thumb and pencil just as training wheels until I can get it baked into my intuition. Trying not to use the measurement tools in Photoshop because then I wouldn't be learning fundamental skills and want to be able to do it in real life as well as digital, so I'm just treating Photoshop as a "real" canvas.

Is it a good idea to just focus on copying all the anatomy drawings and nude photos I come by or am I just going to waste my time?
Is it a good idea to try to simply memorize how to draw these copies?
My thinking is if I for example copy enough drawing of legs and memorize all of them to the point where I can replicate them without having to look at the reference then I'll have a much easier time doing it completely from imagination as I will have similar positions memorized in my head. Maybe at some point all of this visual library will simply transform into a complete 3D understanding of the form?

>>5109935
That's the whole point of studying, you draw from as much references til you can draw them yourself.

>>5109949
I thought that the main focus should be on construction and reference is only there as a hint.
The sicky itself starts with the boxes and shit right after observation skills.

should i always start with the gesture before going onto construction? i want my art to be fluid

>>5109884
You use a large enough proportion that allows you to do it easily without sacrificing accuracy too much.

The renaissance/traditional method is to measure things in heads, both height wise and width wise. But this is too small of a unit early on when you just want to put something on the page. Usually I settle on a third or fourth of the total, like say using height from foot to knee, and in some cases this ends up being divisible into a head size as well so it works out anyway. One other tip is to look for squares or near-squares. These are mindfucks in perspective drawings.

It’s very good you’re actively engaging your eyes and your mind this way. You can, in earnest, learn just about every fundamental from real life drawing. I’m unsure if this is faster than book learning because this is how I approached it and, by the end, found bookish approaches too simplistic because they approach drawing from too analytical of point of view and neglect your presence in what you see in front of you. Vilppu is an exception, and a rare one, but his book needs a teacher to point out mistakes.

Anyway, you have enough from /beg/ to last you for some time. Draw everything that inspires you, loli, coom, Renaissance or sci fi. Once you feel comfortable doing contour drawings, go into shading with aim to be as accurate to the tones that you see.

>>5109978
>should i always start with the gesture before going onto construction? i want my art to be fluid
Gesture is supposed to be the first thing you do with a figure drawing.

>>5109982
ah gotcha

>>5109972
I'm assuming that you already know the fundamentals and are working on how to improve them.

>>5109935
You will memorize common silhouettes and shapes, but that won't help you understand the form. Think of yourself as a 3D scanner and sculptor, not a photocopier. Analyse the form, draw (don't copy), fix mistakes, draw again, rotate it, fix mistakes, etc.

Get the Vilppu courses.
>>>/t/925193

Why does the sticky adresses symbol drawing first? A lot of places I look into, always start with perspective and form.

What are the best resources for learning how to ink, especially digitally? I want to study that too, since I already started studying proper figure drawing and anatomy today (Bridgman for the basics and Hogarth for the proper muscles themselves), and I am slowly learning how to draw appealing faces applying head construction and copying from a good amount of mangakas and artists, having other stuff to do at the same time would benefit me.

What am I supposed to be doing when I'm doing body part studies?
Like, I read me some Hampton, some Huston, and all is good in the world. Then it's time to draw.
What should I be looking out for while doing body part studies? What should I be feeling? What should I be *doing*, how do I properly do body part studies?

I was unaware babies have weird bumpy skulls

>>5108908
A.) Draw bigger
B.) You shouldn't be erasing sketches that much.

Ctrl+Z is a crutch that will actually make you learn at a slower pace than if you just learn to accept your mistakes. Begs put too much weight on making finished drawings or trying to correct a single drawing too much. That's time wasted polishing a turd when you're still learning, and what beginners need most is mileage. That means not spending hours on a single drawing, but spending hours instead doing 100 gesture drawings in pencil and not erasing.

You may enjoy getting a red pencil for traditional on white paper, I found that it makes things pop more and looks nicer for sketching.

>>5109989
I don't know if I know the fundamentals. I can draw a cube I guess? Here's a sphere I did a while back
>>5110005
>You will memorize common silhouettes and shapes, but that won't help you understand the form.
How the fuck can it not help me understand the form?
>Analyse the form
I have to understand the form to analyse it.
i have to analyse it to understand.
>fix mistakes
How would I even see them without a teacher?
>Get the Vilppu courses.
Doesn't work. I have his anatomy course.

Sometimes I think all these advices from professionals aren't that valuable since they give them from the perspective of someone who understands WAY more than a beginner does and for him it just makes sense. They forgot how they actually got there so they just tell you to "feel the form" whatever the fuck that means. I fucking bet he copied a fuckton of stuff before he started "feeling the form".
Would explain why just getting a tutor or finding a studio is the best thing you can do and will give you much better result than anyone following these advices in the books can dream of.
Isn't that how all old masters learned to draw anyway? Just copying paintings?

>>5110172

>>5110172
nta but if you're that person that was drawing a ton of portraits on toned paper a while ago then your observational skills seem good enough from what I remember.
so i think that you won't get much more out of purely observational drawing. draw a ton from reference but try to use construction when doing so. "feel the form" is kinda a meme phrase but basically be thinking about the 3d structure as you draw from reference. you can also try things like rotating the reference in your head and drawing it from a different angle

Trying to learn how to use ink

>>5110219

>>5110194
Nah, not the guy with the portraits
My plan is to just straight up memorize as many different forms from as many positions as possible and then get to construction or drawing from reference while thinking about 3D structure like you suggesting so that I would at least know for sure when I'm wrong

>>5110142
could i see an example of your gesture drawings. i'm kinda lost on how mine are supposed to look

>>5110222
You probably should do a bit of both, construction helps a lot when copying forms.
After learning some anatomy, I'm copying stuff twice as fast since I'm not as concerned about getting every line right, I just have to get half of them and deduce the others from it.

Take some guy's arm. You can either draw fifty of them, or remember the muscles are some sort of bumpy triangle going over half the distance between shoulder and elbow, then a few ellipses, one of which goes over the elbow, then a hand which has similar proportion rules you can learn in a day, and get the same result drawing twenty afterwards while probably getting less bored.

Colour preference? Any other critique is welcome as well.

>>5110291
Fuck, image posted here.

>>5110292
desu I like the aesthetic of both of them side by side, reminds me of Warhol

Am i practicing alright

Is there such a thing as compound strokes using both shoulder and wrist pivots? I've been noticing a lot of line art that's a seamless mix of small straight lines and curves.

Does anyone have a lil drawing/art area set up in their place? I always mean to draw more but when I sit at my desk at home I end up doing work, I suppose just by habit.

>>5110425
I just went digital with a cheap XP-pen tablet that's constantly on my desk, I think it helps when you don't have to do anything like searching through drawers or turning something on to alternate between drawing and shitposting. Also I'm saving a ton on reference books and crayons

> https://www.deviantart.com/vagabondof

How do you avoid meeting the fate of this guy whos been drawing hours a day and has literally thousands of drawings and still can't draw from imagination to save his life?

>>5110500
who cares if it's from imagination or not? if it looks good, it's good. but to answer your question, you can draw something from ref, like a pose, then try drawing the thing in different angles from imagination.

>>5110500
Fuck, that made me uncomfortable. I scrolled down for a few secs, clicked on a random submission, and it was from fucking 25th of December, 2020. The fuck? Can this happen to me?

>>5110371
Wait, why did the angle changed in the render?

>>5110500
>int level studies/practice
>finished work looks high beg at best
can someone please tell me how this is fucking possible

>>5110540
The gesture and construction I did while looking at the whole reference where for the render I zoomed in close to try to get the details and shading right. In doing that I guess I ended up skewing it trying to pronounce the curves of her body more than they are in the construct

gesture practice

>>5110537
>>5110553
>>5110500
Applied study instead of just grinding. He draws a head and then instead of looking at what he's doing wrong, learning and attempting something more ambitious he just draws 40 heads the exact same way. He's developing a perfect visual library for simple pencil drawings of body parts. You don't learn the piano by playing heart and soul 500 times.

>>5110555
That's not good. You need to constantly zoom out and check yourself. If you're using Photoshop, hold H and click to quickly zoom out, release to zoom back in.

>>5110500
Stop worshiping reference, stop worshiping observation, learn proper construction. Your practice should be 30% reference drawing (less, if you can get away with it) and 70% imagination drawing. It's that simple.

>>5110603
says who

perspective chads, how do i understand midplanes? how is the 2D image at the top transferred to the purple rectangle?

>>5110605
People who know how to draw from imagination. For example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-8ED4DW6A0
Notice the following quote:
"In my classes that I teach, the fundamental basic is not about drawing what you see. You always filtering: How am I interpret that as a primitive form to fill my visual library. Not about drawing as it looks like, because you're not a camera."

>>5110260
Guess you are right. I can think of the structure of the arm while copying it. Is that what you are talking about?

>>5110605

find 5 reknowned artists who worked only from imagination.

Michelangelo used models. Rembrandt used models. Egon Schiele used models. Klimt used models. Freud used models.

>>5110624
that guy preaches about refs all the time in his streams tho

>>5110598
it's a terrible habit. I'm on clip studio but I just found the equivalent shortcut so ty

i always thought i was supposed to use as many refs that i can so i can memorize and eventually draw shit without using them. have i been doing it wrong this whole time

>>5110636
References are good if you're actively learning from them, be it perspective, anatomy, lighting etc. Not so much if you're just copying what's in front of you without much thought. that's why the books are important. They teach you what to look for and think about when you practice.

>>5110636
no, how else are you suppose to draw them from memory if you don't know what it looks like to begin with.

>>5110630
Nobody is saying to never use refs. The point is to not worship refs. Do not copy. Do not try to achieve perfect likeness if you don't need to. Do not focus your practice on copying thousands of refs to perfection. Obviously, that doesn't mean that you should never ever use them. Use them. Study them. Analyze and memorize, than discard.

>>5110591
At the same time he's doing this

>>5110629
>only from imagination
>only

Why the fuck you all suck so much at reading comprehension? Who said anything about using only imagination? I said:
>Your practice should be 30% reference drawing
If you practicing 6 hours a day, that's still 2 hours that you should draw from reference every single day.

>>5110643
How are you supposed to know what something looks like from another angle if you only drew it in 3/4 view?

>>5110720
draw it from a couple other angles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni4ts22XFsw
redpill video

What is this kind of pose called? Trying to find ref for it

>>5108510
>>5108374
>>5108371
>>5108367
Look nice anon

>>5110735
>>5110735
>>5110735

new thread

>>5110730
looks kind of like an iaido pose but idk if it has a particular name

>>5110755
thanks, thought of iaido earlier but couldnt find any lunging pictures like yours

>>5110787
i don't think in iaido you would ever lunge first and then draw with both hands so it's not exactly like the drawing. You could always look up some high quality videos and pause if you need a specific stance.

I have no idea what i'm doing

Faces are killing me, gainz grind is so small. I am feeling more confident in my lines and don't spend as much time autiscially correcting them though. Been taking drawing practice seriously for about 3 days now, I spent about 10 hours doing anime shit and then went, wait a goddamn minute what the fuck am I doing. So now I am on the path of muh realism.

>>5111219
Don't chicken scratch a freaking trapezoid of all things, practice confident movements.

>>5110008
Pls respond

If I want to draw like this for now on should I even bother coloring or should I designate myself as a black and white guy? I want to color but I don't really know how I'd do it