/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

of course it works unless you are stupid in which case you really might do need loomis
this is how most artists learned. you can supplement it with looking up things you are having trouble with like anatomy as they arise but that isnt the same as studying an artistic anatomy book front to back and grinding them. you draw some things enough until you notice patterns and it is a much more effective way of memorizing. the only problem is we have so much shit art today that artists copy shit artists, but that is their fault for having shit taste.

>>5105584
That’s how artists learned in the renaissance too. It’s called studying the masters

>>5105599
can you recommend any good artist?

>>5105584
It works, it's just harder and takes longer because you're reinventing the wheel.

>>5105683
Nothing wrong in reinventing the wheel.
The wheel of a car is different from an airplane wheel.

>>5105691
Retard.

>>5105697
Nice argument, now you can return to dilation.

>>5105699
Your English is too poor and you are too stupid to be able to comprehend any elaboration on why you are retarded.
Calling you 'retard' saves time and energy.

>>5105704
> Your England is bad
Good, English is the worst language ever created by humanity.
> Calling you 'retard' saves time and energy.
But you are willing to waste your energy to write this.

>>5105710
Dumb ESL.

>>5105711
> ESL
I know 3 languages :p
Still, I'm waiting for any good argument.

>>5105712
Your English is too poor and you are too stupid to be able to comprehend any elaboration on why you are retarded.

>>5105717
What are my mistakes in English?

>>5105717
post art

>>5105718
>Nothing wrong in reinventing the wheel.
Should be "Nothing wrong with reinventing the wheel."
You also demonstrated that you don't understand the English phrase "reinvent the wheel".

>>5105726
To me, reinventing the wheel means doing something that was already done.
Google definition:
> waste a great deal of time or effort in creating something that already exists.

>>5105732
Which is inconsistent with your analogy of different types of wheels, bringing us to the "you are too stupid" part of my post.

>>5105739
> Which is inconsistent with your analogy of different types of wheels
How so?

>>5105749
Reinventing the wheel means to invent the basic concept of a wheel again.
It does NOT mean to create a variation on the design of a wheel.

>>5105726
Dude you're an asshole lol.

>>5105762
Cry about it.

>>5105697
>>5105704
>>5105711
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>>5105756
You are mentally ill.

devolved thread

>>5105767
Retard.

>>5105765
Retard.

>>5105584
>Anybody read this?
Yes. It's OK, but the movie is far better.
>Does their technique of copying page after page, work for getting better?
Yes, that's traditionally how manga artists learn.
>Did they really not learn fundies and just copy and observe to get their level?
Yes. Fundies, for the most part, are methods designed to achieve a traditional realistic western style, mostly used for painting.
If you wanna achieve a traditional manga style then your best bet is to copy mostly manga artwork while occasionally drawing from life.

>>5105778
Good one.

>>5105779
>this is what /asg/fags actually believe

>>5105681
most of the known renaissance masters, particularly with the drawings. the lines let you see the process almost as if it is taking place right before your eyes. if you were to draw from completely smooth, modeled drawings, it might be better to just draw from life and compare your drawing to a work you like.

but it depends on your goals. you can get something out of studying any master, but someone who is more similar in their goal to the master will get much more from it.

>>5105683
a lot of information on art or how to draw are ultimately bad advice for what one eventually specializes in. either because most advice are for beginners who have vague goals or indeed part of a routine for a specialized field that has nothing to do with what one aspires towards (although marketed as fundamentals). fundamentals are not as universal as ic make them out to be.

>>5105787
>fundamentals are not as universal as ic make them out to be.
That's completely wrong.

you can for sure pick up fundies by copying and observing, but you'd save literal years just learning them properly and then applying them to work you like via copies/studies

its also a matter of what you want to draw, if you dont care about samey poses and faces due to operating purely on muscle memory then copying without fundies is fine, i don't recommend it for comics though and especially animation

>>5105791
the way that it is conceptualized, taught, and the things that are important are constantly changing according to the various ends.

>>5105835
You have no idea what you are talking about and you can barely string together a coherent thought.

>>5105791
also im trans, nsitm

>>5105784
What video is this from

>>5105848
i'm way past you, which would explain why my words are incoherent to you.

>>5105876
Dunning Kruger dumbfuck.

>>5105849
That would explain why you think artists don't need strong fundamentals to improve.

>>5105784
Loomis-sensei

>>5105584
It's literally /asg/ in manga form if they weren't terminally retarded and working with a learning disability.

>>5105779
>>5105784
Anyone doing this method of learning? I'd give it a shot but I'm too busy to be consistent.

>>5105779
>Yes, that's traditionally how manga artists learn.
No, they learn loomis fundies first.
>Did they really not learn fundies and just copy and observe to get their level?
>Yes. Fundies, for the most part, are methods designed to achieve a traditional realistic western style, mostly used for painting.
No, this is even contradicted in the manga itself. Mashiro spends a lot of time copying to learn paneling and G-pen techniques, not art style. He finds that while it helps him get a little better on some things, it mostly just makes his art look like a copycat of things like dragonball. At one point he also stresses that while Tagaki's stories are getting really good, his fundamentals have been seriously lacking (his editor comments on this as well) and he practices for hours on end to improve them.

Were you even paying attention at all?

>>5105765
ok
*waaa waaaa waaa*
*i piss myself*

>>5106362
*i come in and take a sip*

>>5105784
>this kills the /asg/

>>5105784
Loomis Chads we just keep on winning

i did do some loomis and vilppu, but i found the most gains from copying art that i like and comparing the differences. a lot of advice from youtubers just slowed me down. if i had to start over i would just learn the basics of perspective and draw from life and art. proportions vary somewhat depending on the teacher, but once you have enough mileage, it all just flows together. anatomy can be learned from drawing ecorche, medical anatomy, etc.

every once in a while some revolutionary method of constructing or looking at art or art education comes along and artists swear by them. loomis was just one of them.

>>5105784
>loomis sensai
I kneel

>>5105584
Learning by copying other artists is an age old tradition. But the best study fundies and their favorite artists.
Here are some pages from Steve Rude's sketchbook where he draws from both Loomis and Jack Kirby.

>>5105784
why is asg so allergic to loomis

>>5110141
Because they are in denial about their japanese senpais using loomis