/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5088651
>"also"

>>5088651
Thicker lines for one thing, if they just decreased the brush size it'd go a long way. Also less detail than anime; look at the strap on his shoulder, it has no shading whatsoever. Plus some of the facial features are definitely more western, like it's rare for an anime character to have a lower lip or brow creases.

>he sees your art

>>5088723
>like it's rare for an anime character to have a lower lip or brow creases.
really?

>>5088651
I think you're just scrutinizing it because you know it's a western production. I'm willing to admit the western part is influencing the final look somewhat, but it's not as if you can't find characters that look exactly like this in generic anime. It's like when Tim Lochner etc is posted and someone inevitably claims they can "tell" he's a westerner, because they already know he is. Complete horseshit, his shit is indistinguishable from any native pixiv artist at this point. Anime covers a range of styles, it isn't one single look.

>>5088651
he cute

Do I have ADHD or is western anime the most visually dull and uninteresting animation artstyle?
It's not ugly or jarring, it's just normal, like, too normal. So normal it's boring.
You've got westerners abandoning their inheritance of exaggerated cartoons in favor of trying to do anime but of course they don't quite achieve that authentic japanese quality, so what you have is this middle ground where it's not quite cartoony and not quite anime and it's just rather ordinary looking.
I mean yeah sometimes that's all you need to tell a story, some consistency and clarity. But fuck man, when I watch these cartoons I feel like I'm watching a live action show, like how the fuck do you even manage to pull that off.

>>5088651
I dont know what are you talking about.

I didnt care about 2011 thundercats exactly because it was "too weaboo" for me.
Older anime style of 80s liked by boomers for their badass/cool look of that era.
10s anime has this "weeb" feel that my generations don't care about.

picrelated describes the problem better

>>5088758
>he cute
that's the main problem.
>make heroic technofantasy
>make main character look like a weeb-boy from moeshit anime

>>5088759
This is the closest to the truth I think. What happens is, anime is the norm to Japanese, so generally 1 of 2 things happens:

1. They know exactly what makes the style work, they understand moe because they're culturally steeped in it, they know how to heighten and exaggerate it and make slight variations to it while still remaining true to its core

2. They diverge a bit from it, make it personal. Meld it without outside influences to create something slightly fresh and new while, again, remaining true to the core. This is the territory of your Demizu Posukas, your Yoh Yoshinaris.

Since westerners are not as steeped in it, they tend to have to expend more effort to first understand it, never mind stylize it in a fresh way. Often they'll settle on this mediocre middle product, the equivalent of those country face averages. I think this is changing with younger generations but older guys like Chris Hart, and whoever created Kappa Mikey or Totally Spies, they just don't get it.

>>5088782
>JRPGs then
Not enough graphical fidelity in consoles or even game manuals to draw what they really wanted
>JRPGs now
Able to do exactly what they always wanted

>>5088651
>Thundercats reboot is done by a japanese studio
Japs have been handled outsourced American animation for decades (particularly the 80's-90's, see all the classic Disney shows like Duck Tales, Tiny Toons, etc), the blame is entirely on the American end.

>>5088792
You pretty much nailed it. The american artists who are storyboarding these shows seem hyperfixated on keeping everything on model and making things easy for the animators (animating isn't easy at all but you get my point).
The japanese are more confident in pulling off ambitious shots with dynamic movement.
This webm doesn't exactly show off anything mindblowing but it shows the little nuances they add in mundane scenes, such as the smear on the hand as it flicks down and the way the characters go off-model for the sake of visual slapstick.
Then again, this isn't just a matter of artstyle, it's also how the production of the show is handled. A lot of these upstanding japanese-made anime are animated inhouse while just about every american anime is shipped off to be handled by a korean studio.

>>5088782
truth, Persona fags should kill themselves

>>5088759
>inheritance of exaggerated cartoons
do you mean early disney and WB cartoons, or like Hanna barbara stuff?

>>5088786
no thats a positive, have you never read jojo baka

>>5088651
Looks like naruto to me.

its the western idealized superhero proportions
aesthetically it doesnt look like any western animation

>>5088651
Because it is a western style of cartoon. I do that for my characters too. In fact, i do different kind of style that i think is suitable for the character.

>>5088651
I don't see it, it looks very anime to me, from the eyes, to the hair, to the mouths, to way it's colored, everything looks anime to me.
Maybe why you think it doesn't look anime is because the color patterns in the face separate the features more than a typical anime character.

>be me
>want to design a furry character
>can fucking draw feets

>>5088754
i like this topic. anime that look off and western. if only ic can solve this problem one day.

as for tim loecner art, dont give me that "you cant distinguish it with japanese drawing" crap. if it were, we wouldnt be bitching about it here and praise him for making it. it is a fact that there traces of his western stylisation in his art. he is almost there but something is off

>>5088651
i read the wiki page and it said it's a combination of western production or something. and sure it share the production with a japanese studio. but looking at that studio background, it seems that it a studio that exclusively done work for the west, ova or the kind. nothing like a seasonal anime.

this reminds me of the studio that done the anime fight scene for gumball. even though they are also based in japan why cant they get that true anime feeling. why? is it correct to say they are an outsourcing studio based in japan instead?

>>5088809
>boobs, pelvis and butt all displayed at once
>elongated torso
Never knew classic JRPGs had an Escher Girl class until now

>>5090070
>ic not bitching
>ever

>it is a fact that there traces of his western stylisation in his art. he is almost there but something is off
Then point them out. Honestly tell me if you were none the wiser and saw this in a lineup of 30 other works of similar quality that your 6th weeb sense would be able to sniff out the western rat. Tell me that in complete good faith, and still be able to look at yourself in the morning.

>>5090070
Frankly the argument is fucking dumb anyway. You perceive "traces." Weebs have concocted a narrative of anime purity and opposition of styles that only exists in their heads. As if eastern and western aesthetics are oil and water. In reality the east and the west have mutually influenced each other over and over again. Studio Trigger has "traces" of western stylization too, but I'm guessing it's okay when the Japanese do it?

>>5090079
>this reminds me of the studio that done the anime fight scene for gumball. even though they are also based in japan why cant they get that true anime feeling. why?
That sounds more like a placebo effect on your ends since it's in an american property.
The quality of the animation seemed to be on par with any of the average seasonal anime you see today.

>>5088651
I think apart from being "western", it's just bland and uninteresting. The designs lack stylistic flair to set it apart.

>>5088651
>Are character designs also important when it comes to something done in an anime style looking "too western"?
is the sun hot?

>>5088864
Medarot is full of soul and great animation.

>>5090121
True there is a syncretic elements to both manga and western comics. Though a period of isolation allowed them Togo to different direction. >>5090123

>>5090105
look, look, lookie here. im not ic and i dont need to look at myself in the morning.

you bring a fine loaded question there or whatever. i cant answer it because i cannot entertain this "similar quality works" you said because i dont know how they supposed to look like compare to this. this is not the point of the argument. my position in this is im in favor of drawings that has "real anime" feeling in it like a dirty weeb am i.

i have respect for tim for being from here and making it however, like an anon from manga making general said, there is something of with his stylisation in certain drawings. he is almost there imo. you dont need to say something like oh if i show you this and you dont know it made by westerner you fag wouldnt be able to tell. we are literally repeating something in that thread.

this is something that happened and even the like of me can point it. some can tell. not a matter of being snob for anime, if westerners can actually draw it, then they are more than welcome and we would sing praise of them. and people would want to know how they did it. maybe i didnt point it clearly in my first reply, i cant point it because im also halfway in the barrel like the rest of beg here.

i dont want to blame you, i kinda do. but if one day, the like of you would work for netflix or something and create a show like their castlevania or op thundercat and called it anime, i would call you a giant fag.

>>5090105
>tim-lochner
This man must have stolen asian jeans and talent from someone.

>>5090121
hard for me to comment. im on team anime of course i would favor what east do. hurr durr it's okay for the japanese to do it. at least i can say that and not the opposite.