/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5065810
What is tarnation

If I want to mostly do architectural/landscape/environmental stuff, is it still advisable to just follow the guide to do anatomy drawing? is it something that just builds all the necessary steps to make an image no matter the style? or is there some kind of guide I should follow instead to get into archi/landscape with less wasted time?

>>5065865
perspective is probably the one thing you should focus on if you want to do landscape. As for books check out thomas wang pencil sketching you can find it at the libgen website.

I tried to draw in a more extreme perspective than im used to, are there any massively glaring mistakes?

>>5059508
I'm fine with this.

crit pls

>>5065955
OK anon, first of all you did all right there as far as perspective. However, though I know it's part of your design using the big balloon blob thing, BUT this drawing screams Rob Liefeld levels of hiding hands and feet. I'm not saying that's why you did it, nor would most casual observers notice it, but I'm old and grew up having to look at his horrible art in my favorite comics.

>>5065810
what the FUCK was he doing?

>>5065995
I'm assuming this is a value study. You've got it pretty good, but I'd push it all a little more, and the lips look flat.

Can looking at too many /beg/ posts make your art suffer?

>>5066046
no

>>5066005
I didn't know that V.Ps had to go to the H.L. I fixed it up later. >>5064824

>trying to change a ref thats 7 heads high to be 4.5 heads high AND making it anime
This is hell

are there any good guides on human foreshortening?

>>5066078
loomis

>>5066082
which book?

>>5066078
feel the forms will do

How do I make my lines not shit on a tablet?

>>5066000
Thanks! Thats a totally understandable takeaway to have. I've been trying to focus more on drawing my hands and feet, picrel is a smattering of my efforts. Not sure how well im doing but im working on it at least!

>>5066086
what does this mean?

>>5066078
figure one

how do i get this texture on a brush digitally?

>>5066078
The body is made up of forms, if you can foreshorten the forms, you can foreshorten the body.

>>5066085
Figure Drawing for all its Worth

>>5066099
texture layer on overlay mode + hard round brush

I had trouble with the hair. I want her to look EXTREMELY smug but I don't think I pushed the facial expression enough. Any advice?

>>5066198
You need loomis.

Your eyes aren't wrapping around the head.

I know the basic vanishing point and how to align it, but if I want a perfect square but its at an angle how do I make it so it's a square and not a rectangle that's skewed?

>try to imagination normal pose
>It looks stiff and boring
>try to imagination dynamic pose
>every bone looks broken or it looks retarded

>>5066246
Get a full body mirror. Voila, instant model for your poses.

>>5066223
the eyes sit on a flat plane

>>5066239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGAURGTV3v0

>>5066258
The eyes go around the head senpai.

>>5066276
not like this??

>>5066251
Rough sketch. I swear anime is harder then realism if you use a realism ref. You gotta stylized it and Im too much of a baby to make it work. Is this pose too stiff and/or disproporatate?

>>5066291
Negative, friend.

>>5066292
Post looks very stiff to me. I would do some more gesture drawings. I'm guessing she's supposed to be doing a seductive swaying walk towards the camera while doing some fire magic? Push the hips to the side more, really stretch the dynamism of the pose. In my experience you wanna overshoot the gesture a little before you rough in the forms, as the pose tends to stiffen up a little as you sketch it in, your results may vary.

>>5066276
the same plane as each other, not the rest of the face. it's still a front facing plane even if you rotate the head.

>>5066300
i posted the wrong one, i meant to post this one. have i been doing it wrong the whole time? i usually feel like the whole lines aren't in the right spot

>>5066302
closer look

>>5066302
You're just pasting the features onto the face without thinking of the underlying structure. Even in anime that structure exists. Here's a comparison of eyes that are just flat, then eyes that curve around the face, then eyes that sit in the socket with the curve. Even very simplified anime takes this into account when drawing heads at an angle, even if only subconsciously.

>>5066300
>I'm guessing she's supposed to be doing a seductive swaying walk towards the camera while doing some fire magic?
Yeah, exactly. At least Its readable, albeit poorly.
Ill try again at some point today.

I stopped drawing when i resumed work and I feel like i regressed but maybe practice helped.

Eyes are still a problem from me though. the farther eye is way clumsier looking

>>5066313
>>5066302
Hit send too early.

Addtionally, your eyes aren't even in perspective. You have the left eye bigger than the right, despite it being farther from the camera. I'd grab an anime you like, and try and find a scene where the character turns their head. Really look at how the features change. They grow in size, shrink, hide behind other features, etc.

>>5066314
I could only read it because of the leg. Even stylized you wanna look at reference just to see how the pose "should look". Remember, it's just an exaggeration of reality.

>>5066313
thank you i'll have to practice on the more facial features

i love seeing anons in this thread wasting time following the first construction tuts they come across on the internet and thinking that is enough

>>5066301
/beg/ you can try to counter argue all you want, but the critique in your picture is that the eyes are not correct in relation to the head. This is fact.

>>5066317
Got it. Next time I'll exaggerate more. I seem to be scared of that from what I notice in my other stuff.

>>5066324
Again, at least in my experience, I lose a lot of the dynamism of the pose as I block in the forms.

Don't ever be scared of experimenting when drawing. That's how you learn, right? I'd try that pose several times, just quick gestures, pushing it more each time, then block them in, you'll start to see when the pose it "too much" or "too stiff"

>>5066322
I'm not even that guy, I just thought your wording was confusing and wrong. you even recommended loomis, seems like the same plane to me. eyes have perspective that gets affected by foreshortening and overlapping forms, but the don't wrap around the head.

How do I improve my accuracy on a tablet, I can't fucking see where I'm drawing until I've drawn there

>>5066386
draw

>>5066387
I'm trying, Anon. My lines all turn out wobbly or I can't get them where I want them. How can I improve until my lines are good?

Unrelated to previous posts by other people, trying to practice drawing the face in 3D with those planes so that I can paint less flat portraits, but I feel like I'm constructing really unnatural heads

when I drew faces something always ends up too big or small or misplaced and I don't notice until it's too late
do I just keep practicising or is there something else I can do?

>>5066413
lowering the forehead to equalise the chin raising made it a bit better but it still feels off

>>5066263
just starting out so its kinda hard to visualize what he's doing over to my situation. so for this scene which vanishing points do I use? since its primarily a center vanishing point scene, then the door frame has to be aligned with the CVP. I just cant really figure out where the diagonal vanishing point should be.

I've been staring at this so long I've started to feel nauseous, anything obviously wrong with my study?

>>5066429
this reminds me of conceptart.org

>>5066393
file name

>>5066429
anon copy pasting the reference and getting rid of the bottom doesnt count

today feels like another "shit art day" for me bros, how do I overcome it?

>>5066389
Just do some basic exercises daily until you get the hang of it. Things like this >>5064948

I wanted to draw a low angle but I have no idea how I would convey it.

>>5066483
boxify

Proko was driving me mad so I started Loomis
gmi

>>5066483
Stop pillow shading.

>>5066477
Listen to music and draw something you enjoy or grind something. You’re gonna have a lot of bad art days as a beginner
https://youtu.be/sXeb4PZZL7g

>>5066507
Not him but post a colored work of yours, I’m curious.

>>5066198
Hand is too big, if it was in perspective I would understand, but it's literally in front of the head

>>5066353
not him but, but the eyes do look like graping the head at least the visible area, now the eyesballs are in fact parallel to each other, now in your pic and OR's the face is at the viewers eye level where you can't see the curvature however OR's pic is literally symbol drawing, he doesn't know how to convey the forms of the face as they turn around, to be clear the eyeballs in their sockets are parallel but the vissible area is not.

>>5066483
Ear too far from the head

>>5066423
the gap between the base of the nose and the mouth seems way too big

>>5066513
I don't have any, because it's not where I'm at yet, but why are these areas shaded darker when the light source is from the sun above?

>>5066509
i don't, want your damn. lettuce.

Is that her rib cage showing or is it the serratus anterior?
I thought women don't have prominent serratus anteriors

>>5066223
>>5066258
>>5066276
Saved
>>5066301
>>5066322
>>5066353
>>5066517
>>5066522
The beg gods look favorably upon me today. Thankyou for all the feedback. Here's my edit. I'm afraid I may be too beg to replicate your knowledge. I'll have to study more.

>>5066554
>its not where im at yet
You don't practice different things?

>>5066571
I'm as /beg/ as everyone else, but I'm more concerned for learning anatomy right now and getting line work better.
I don't like to try and do tons at once because it makes everything seem much more daunting or overwhelming.

>>5066560
yeah anon but you also forgot its a drawing

>>5066570
Looks better, I would make the palm smaller, or the fingers longer.

Not a /beg/, but this is a /beg/ question. How do you guys handle drawing big long animal ears, like the ones on this nigga for example, in perspective? Do you draw lines to act as a skeleton? Because everything I do seems to go wrong, and I wind up just redoing it until it looks right. Talking about drawing without reference, obviously.

>>5066697
boxify

>>5066697
Wow you paint animals well!

>>5066703
Thanks brah

>>5066698
Worked pretty good actually, I might try drawing the ears "through" the head and connecting, almost like a boomerang shape, obviously erasing what I need to after that.

Cyperpunk 2077 is ruining my drawing schedule

>>5066842
lol, gaming, ngmi

>>5066842
If that shit is taking away your time you must not draw at all when a good game comes along.

low-angle cunny without reference

>>5066698
im new what does "boxify" mean? construct the structure of it with box shapes?

>>5066866
that too, and to use it as reference for what direction the lines go for whatever you're drawing

I have a curved monitor, should I get a flat one for doing digital art?

>>5066842
>games
Oh dear

How to fix the left leg?

>>5066901
find ref

>>5066239
in 1 point perspective you can use a 45 degree measuring point cast from your station point to get perfect squares.
by drawing from the end of a line representing one edge of the square, towards the 45 degree measuring point you can get the depth of a perfect square, with edge lengths the size of your original line.
if you practice enough with the CONE (pic related) you can estimate the 45 degree measuring point when it's off the page and begin to estimate perfect squares much easier.
in two point performing this task gets even more wild

>>5066843
>>5066856
>>5066880
Literally haven't played a video game for more than an hour a day for over 6 years.
Friends pressure me to play cyberpunk, pumped in 6 hours without noticing
Fuck me

>>5066922
Have fun losing those gains anon

>>5066875
i have both a curved and a flat, if your viewing it straight on there should be no notable distortion from the curved screen. from what i can tell a given picture looks pretty much the same on either one, and it isnt awkward drawing with a tablet on the curved one either.

>>5066927
Still gonna try to fit in 2-6 hours a day of drawing still

>>5066938
No

>>5066239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRxEz3naJPQ&list=PLMXbAPr21di8DjTKCE3EoS4KFtNZ-FDnP

process is explained better in video than in text

am i still beg? any critique appreciated

Do these hands and feet look right?

>>5066957
Hands need to be a bit bigger, head slightly smaller, and you need to redraw the clavicles

>>5066326
4th attempt. Think its starting to get less stiff

>>5066974
The gesture is improving slightly. Did you use a reference? A quick youtube search pulls this up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcsBdKnNMHY

Notice how much hip sway there is in real life. If your poses keep coming out too stiff, go to the opposite end and just go really over the top with them, and scale back from there.

>>5066995
Neat, ill try that.
My ref was just a sexy walk pose on google images but these seems better

>>5066509
Put the katana down Sasuke.

>>5067000
Look at the values of your reference again. The back and side of the breast have shadow you're missing. Your feet need work as well. The shoulder area has wonky angles, and you seem to be placing your highlights on her body randomly.

>>5066956
mid /beg/

>>5066956
/beg/

I have no fundamentals at all, probably what I should practice, but I'm happy having finished something so...

>>5067019
stop tracing

>>5066967
better?

WHEN DO I GET TO DRAW CARTOONS?

>>5067028
Whenever you want. Art should be fun! Do your studies then draw for fun, anon!

What can I add to my daily routine and grind alongside the Dynamic Sketching exercises, should I just copy anime girls from reference?

I made a commitment to myself about 2 weeks go to do 1 hour of gesture drawing everyday. Looks like I still need more work. These "subtle" poses are tough
I think Ill end up trying again tomorrow so I can make a finished piece finally after a week of just straight studying and grinding
Also doodled a coom face from imagination because I havent communicated with female my age in over 4 months

>>5067028
Never

>>5067067
draws some beans or do timed gestures.

>>5067069
vilppu gesture drawing helped me a lot. try and watch some of his videos.

>>5067024
Okay so first I wish I were better so that I can help more with a redraw but I’m obviously beg too. Anyway my thoughts is that a lot of the drawing is broken due to misunderstanding. So what’s giving off the very uncanny head is cus you basically didn’t apply any perspective to the face you drew and just drew it how you see it in a a reference I think. You really should look into proportions of heads fo shoulders and how clavicles are positioned, I don’t think they would ever be angled down like that especially with that posture

TLDR of that is the head and body basically don’t match at all and the body is far too long mostly thanks for the legs. Drawing things like toes is very not important until you fully figure out constructing the rest of the body cus it’s a waste of time decorating something potentially bad. I think you’re on the right track for actually drawing and you should either try redrawing a lot of that maybe with this edit in mind or just start something new and keep perspective in mind while using ref

If anyone thinks my advice is bad on this, I’d be happy to see how you’d improve on the drawing

>>5067067
Do 30-60 second time gesture drawing for about 20-30 minutes a day or so. Pic related (im still /beg/)

>>5067067
Do 30-60 gesture drawing for half hour so.
Pic related (im really /beg/ though)
>>5067078
Is that the thing with the 5 step method he has? (Curves, containing, overlapping forms, boxes, beans?) I tried that before and it made my stuff look really messy. Its probably good for 5 minute gesture stuff perhaps?

>>5067079
Yeah I don't usually draw clavicles so I should look that up.

I don't really agree with the rest of the critique though w.r.t the head and the like but thanks.

>>5067077
>>5067086
So gestures usually come before construction or reference studies? Thanks

>>5066315
Welcome back!

>>5067097
Didn't notice new thread

>>5067106
I find sketching my hand to be alot more fun so far even though it's a crumpled up mess.

Drew anime girl without reading Loomis

Does anyone have that infograph on how to study art? It seperate the subjects by color from most important to least important.

>>5067138

>>5067140
Thank you anon.

>>5067067
do croquis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xu3XwEYClc&list=PLlZ4N2OWHomvpm4g9dExqjTf2xy1wWYYM&index=8

>>5067103
Chaotic good

>>5067137
Moe

>>5067101
I'd say do them all the same time. You shouldn't specialize into 1 fundie at a time, better an equal mix of all them as you go along.

Looking for pointers on the lighting

Help, I have no idea what the fuck I am doing.

>>5067155
>that face
Kek

>>5067155
I think there's enough pointy things there

>>5067161
im talentless
wasted 4 months
its over if youre not born with it

>>5067163
What do you think of my work shizo anon?
>>5067155

>>5067124

>>5067163
>im talentless
>wasted 4 months
>its over if youre not born with it

>>5067164
give me something easy to draw and ill give you your talent forecast

>>5067047
how long

>>5067163
Did you truly grind every day?

>>5067168
Draw a car in 3pp with the vanishing point closer than usual to create a dramatic effect.
The car can be any model or brand but maybe an earl 70s toyota might work also.

>>5067160
Was going for a very specific style. Something like Galaxy Express

>>5067171
yes
>>5067172
denied, fuck off

>>5067175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gBpf47phh0
dude theres a babies guide on doing a car

>>5067171
What is this purpose?

noses are hard

>>5067175
>>5067161
Hey anon you told me a week ago you were gonna show me up or something with a good new drawing two weeks from then. One week left, I look forward to the artwork!

>>5067186
>>5066099
Useless, I don't have talent so I won't try at all
It's over for me, in 4 months I had no progress despite grinding every day

>>5067188
HARD WORK OVER TALENT

>>5067193
TALENT OVER HARD WORK

>>5067195
>when /beg/s hear the word Talent

>>5067197
>>5067195

>>5067106
I'm talentless
IN 4 MONTHS I HAD NO PROGRESS
>>5067193
I worked, grinding fundies and many courses, that guy who has talent and doesnt deserve it is better than me, 30 minutes a day with talent > 4 hours a day if talentless
IT'S OVER

>>5067106
>>5067203
tfw hes better than me
HAHAHAHAHHA ITS OVER
I CANT GRASP THE FORM HAHAHHAHA

Hard round brush, hard round brush pressure size or hard round brush pressure opacity?

>>5067203
...Have you only painted faces? Have you tried environments, architecture, nature?
Griding fundies is all well and good but if you don't take time off to just doodle stuff you enjoy you're gonna lose your willpower pretty quickly.

>>5067215
I have no talent so its useless

>>5067203
use loomis

>>5067000
coom the forms

is this how tits work?

>>5067222
I cant

My hand doesn’t look like that

>>5067228
Holy shit, talent

>>5067229
If I’m your idea of talented why would you even want to be talented

Can I get some feedback on this sketch? Is there anything in particular that makes it unappealing?

>>5067204
I'm the anon who drew these.
>>5067106
>>5067166

I don't have "talent" either and all my friends and family can draw way better than me without references or worrying about fundamentals. Pic related is a drawing one of a drawing my friend did, even if it doesn't look good fundamentally he had alot of fun drawing it.

It's been two days since I've tried my second attempt at getting serious in art and I can feel myself improving each day so just keep at it and eventually you will gain your own Talent.

>>5067158
Get some help for your mental illness.

>>5067236
p.s
Maybe just take a small breather, relax and look back on some books or videos and try again.

I don't have Talent but I do have some hope left in me.

>>5067243
Forgot pic.

>>5067223
Not /beg/

>>5065810
pls r8

hows this for pen w no guidelines?

>>5067272
Hard to rate a rough sketch. Put your 100% into making it into a finished illustration. It'll help you improve and we'll be able to rip it apart.

>>5067235
i would say line weight and chickenscratch are holding it back from being otherwise very good

>>5067276
Yep beginner chicken scratch

>>5067276
>no guidelines
But why? Most top illustrators still sketch out first.

>>5067235
Dont use the brush to hatch the shadow like that. I suggest creating a shadow layer (multiply) and light layer (overlay) for shading.

>>5067285
i literally only have a single ballpoint pen thats been gettinng me thru this month ._.

>>5067276
wAY MORE talented than me
its over

>>5067287
I'm sorry for your loss. Try to get a pencil. Literally anything that isn't permenant.

>>5067280
What about the line weight exactly?

>>5067286
Good point. That would probably look better.
I'm used to hatching this way with traditional art where it seems to not look so bad.

>>5067298
mostly ur lines are all around a bit heavy. probably cuz of the chicken scratch cuz ur going over the same strokes a lot

Chicken scratch

>>5067299
Okay, thanks.
Will repost it later.

>>5067276
those... those are guidelines

Seriously why cant I improve? Should I quit?

>>5067307
What have you been doing? What was your daily regimen for the last 4 months?

>>5067305
i guess i meant i just went at it w no pencil cuz i don’t have anythi g eraseable

>>5067307
3D space, study it. Don't look at them as lines on paper. Look at them as 3 dimensional objects that need space to occupy. The wrist for example looks flat. Everything is flat. Back to the fundamentals so you can grow again.

>>5067308
I've said this before, bunch of courses I had to quit but still applied and did the exercises
4 hours a day, drawing and grinding fundies, be honest with me? This is below average improvement, it's lack of improvement, why?
>>5067312
Stupid piece of shit

>can't sleep, fuck it
>ctrlpaint 20 spoons exercise
>do okay on side profile, liquid shit on a shallower angle or front to back
The Travis Bickle of /beg/, everyone

>>5067316
It’s because you are mentally ill, I can only draw well when I’m happy, it has to be a meditative pleasurable experience or your brain just lacks the ability to reinforce your abilities when you do good things

SERIOUSLY WHY IS EVERYONE AVOIDING THE QUESTION
what was the reason of zero improvement on4 months? 4 MONTHS OF HARD WORK

>>5067320
Because it's only been four months. Come back after you've drawn for at least two years.

can I draw anime characters now

>>5067320
You didn't push yourself, studied wrong, are lying.

>>5067321
explain this
>>5067323
why would I lie, I had tons of pages full of exercises

>>5067322
No

>>5067316
>pic related
Those lines don't even circle around those objects properly. Don't just copy tutorials, actually try to understand them.

>>5067322
You can draw them any time you want, anon.

>>5067326
What is there to explain other than how he did a couple of studies.

>>5067333
talent
>>5067331
no matter how hard I try I cant grasp the form
i failed at vilppu so i can never try again see >>5067229
im talentless

>>5067326
are you schizo 4 months anon? Are these all your drawings? They don't even look that bad lmfao, you're fucked in the head if you are 4 months anon.

Why is it that every now and then some histrionic person comes along to cry about how art is impossible without talent or how they've been cursed to not improve? This does not happen in any other hobby community, but happens practically daily in every art community.

I have never seen someone saying that getting good at fighting games is impossible, that writing is impossible or that cooking is impossible. I've never heard people complaining about how weaving/sewing requires a magical ligament to do properly. I could go on, believe me.

But with drawing, it's pretty much a common thing for someone to talk about the ligameme, or talent, or simply about how art is impossible to them. What makes drawing different? Does drawing just attract highly neurotic people?

>>5067334
>i failed at vilppu so i can never try again
You are supposed to fail every day until your 10,001th attempt is good

>>5067336
taunting me again
of course thats not me
thats someone born and blessed with talent
>>5067339
lies, you know if its useless or not from the first one

>>5067338
explain this, this is my "progress" pic related is my first drawing and you already know the latest ones
That's 4 months
this other anon did 3 3 FUCKING MONTHS and look at his progress
Im done for >>5067326

>>5067338
Attention with low effort

>>5067203
>>5067204
I hate following people like you. I don't even give you the honor and respect of being called an artist. Give up and leave this board.

>>5067345
>>5067342
>>5067326
Explain this and Ill fuck off, show me its not talent (that you cant gain or improve, youre born with it) and ill fuck off and practice
YOU CANT
>>5067346
OH NOES THIS LITERALLY WHO THIS TEXT ON A SCREEN WONT GIVE ME RESPECT AND HONOR
get over yourself kiddo

>>5067340
>you know if its useless or not from the first one

>>5067347
You need to be 18+ to post here.

>>5067347
Don't reply to me you insect

>>5067350
So you cant, want me to shut up and fuck off, explain it
talent is the answer
>>5067351
eat shit you and your whore of a fucking mother, i do whatever i want when i want it, simple as

>>5067350
Anon he’s like 20 years old.

>>5067355
This, Im too old to ever be an artist
too talentless
the dream is over

>>5067354
Didn't read
Don't care
You are less than an insect because you are no-effort trash

You want me to fuck off from /beg/? Explain it logically and have the answer be something else other than talent, but you cant, I already tried, its all cope
I'm talentless, no resource would work on me, I tried lots and lots of thinfs

>>5067332
I will take you on your word anon, Ive been too autistic to move forward

Tick tock

>>5067356
If only you where an underage fag

>>5067365
its over, im too old i know

>>5067358
4 hours a day for 4 months is no effort at all? When someone with 30 minutes a day is way better than me? Cope

cursed w no pencil.. i am trapped, unable to erase. forced to commit to my mistakes. i am eternally tormented

almost 1500 pages full of grinding fundies, never improved at all
thats not hard work?

>>5067356
Gasp! Looke at this FELLow over here, utterly DEMORALized he is. Sounds like he needs to go on a 4 month trip to spiritually ASScend wuuwooww. There's NO WAY he could FAIL at that, you can improve at anything in 4 MONTHS TIME am I right? WUWOOOOOOWWW FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGGGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOTIEEEE FAGGY FAGLAWWWWDD. Schizo ANON is seeeeweeeeeeeeeething right now tehe.

>>5067371
>>5067326
this anon improved like crazy on 3 months
3 months
explain that

>>5067372
sorry dude I'm not here to actually help you. I just couldn't contain the urge to shitpost. Seeing that anon's improvements in 3 months does make me less hostile to the idea of talent but I have nothing to offer you. Keep going if you're really passionate BRO. Maybe try to get a personal tutor or something.

It's over.

i dont know what im doing but i watched a proko loomis head video

>>5067390
Second week? It's over.

>>5067391
S-Seriously? whats the normal progression

>>5067393
Digital + second week? You should be doing way better, lack of talent

>>5067393
Take every single thing you read on /ic/ with a grain of salt. Especially in /beg/.

>>5067395
Lying to him when people like >>5067326
Exist?

>>5067396
Improvement rates vary.

Why does my linework look unappealing compared to the sketch layers?

Ill get a tablet and trace instead
>>5067398
Talent = improvement rate = skill ceiling
If you cant get quick gains at the very start youre done for
Youll never be an artist

>>5067399
Your mind fills in the correct lines thats why anon, you'll get better over time

>>5067399
Tighten your original sketch as much as possible.
Learn which lines to go over.
Practice your lineweight.

think i spent like 5 hours on this in total
can't wait to get faster

Im posting /beg/ work on my twitter but this is something i did today

some people learn and improve faster than others. whether that's due to upbringing, genetics, etc, we don't know, so lets call it talent.

so what?

you literally can't do anything about it. so either give up and bitch about it for the rest of your life, or just keep grinding. there will ALWAYS be someone better than you for any skill in life, fucking deal with it

>>5067413
jesus christ that third one has some fucked up grapes lmao

>>5067390
still dont know what do but i had fun

Holy hell I think I'm finally free of college until January and that's the end of it.
Check out this doodle I did while procrastinating, I'm fond of this style I think it could work in a webcomic

sorry I'll get to do it something better

>>5067390
Watch a video about the planes of the head. Remember the eye socket and other bones of the face

>>5067459
It's more about my 4 wasted months than anything else, I wouldn't care if I had some decent improvement but no, I had negative improvement.
Got it?

>>5067478
weird early 2000s manga

>>5067478

>>5067478
Sovl
>>5067497
Souless

>>5067480
everyone deals with stagnation lol you're not special.

like I said there's nothing you can do about it so either put your head down and draw or quit.

Fixed some stuff and trying to get a feel for lighting and form.

Refined the shoe but now the foot looks too small and I shrunk the hand but I think it's still too wide.

Refined the shoe but now the foot looks too small and I shrunk the hand but I think it's still too wide.

>>5067508
How long have you been drawing?

>>5067479
thank you

>>5067509
I cry every time I realise I could have made twice the progress in half the time.

>>5067509
How long have you been asking this question?

>>5067514
Do I have any chance of improving? Akechi anon here or is it over
Nice progress btw
>>5067519
5 months

>>5067163
Lmao so much time

>>5067514
that's totally fine progress. Ya did good. Now make the next year better

>>5066239
Everyone is missing the point. Out of the about hundred thousand identical perspective lessons on the internet and in books, I've only ever seen one that teaches a method for placing the object at an angle other than "all faces perfectly aligned with the perspective lines". Unfortunately I can't remember where that was.

So if you wanted to draw a city where NOT every single building is made of rectangles aligned on the same major axes, and there are actually diagonal walls, or buildings with a different orientation from the rest (say, one that faces 15 degrees southeast instead of south)... then you're screwed. All of these perspective tutorials deal only with the situation where every single thing has the exact same orientation.

>>5067320
Draw a thousand pictures and you'll see plenty of improvement. Draw ten thousand and you'll be great. This only takes ten years if you draw three a day, three years if you draw ten a day.

Draw lively sketches, not precise lines. The only person I've known that couldn't make progress over several years of trying was one autistic perfectionist who would insist on drawing perfectly steady, pristine lineart without ever letting go of the control and just sketching loosely.

>>5067600
You're so retarded to miss lesson one of every single perspective book ever made

what gesture drawing method is the best between vilppu and proko? i like vilppu's method of "feeling" the form by touching the paper. proko's method has the nicest looking outcome, but when i try to do it i focus too much on contours. my gut feeling tells me to roll with what i understand best and apply that to the rest of proko's figure drawing course

UUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH
I'M GONNA MAKE IT

>>5067497
Great now you just made me want to turn this into a succesful Steam game with a breathtaking story that makes people not care about my drawings!
UUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

>Tags: Mystery, drama, comedy, no legs, hiding hands, only 2 characters because the author is a hack that can't be bothered making another design and he took 3 hours just for a recolor

Also I just finished the first case of Danganronpa 2 some days ago and I'm still tilted

>>5067320
Listen to this >>5064663
You are the "maniac" type.

>>5067508
>>5067514
Same artist?

>>5067342
why are you using the same drawing from the last month, you should have at least 60 more portraits done by now

>>5067659
>>5067478
BEHOLD! MY OWN VISUAL NOVEL! Now with stolen soundtrack
https://youtu.be/7L_T0CCdx0s?t=195

Stop replying to the 4 months fag. It's obvious bait.

Some quick no reference sketches. I don't think I have the confidence to draw faces or push past skelly mode. How do you get over lack of confidence?

>>5067666
That's a nice sketch satan, was it from a life drawing class? How long did it take?

>All of schizo anon's image posts have 4chan filenames

>>5067746
I DID PUSHUPS FOR 4 MONTHS WHY AM I NOT RIPPED YET
IM TALENTLESS WHATS THE POINT YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT JUST LIKE I DIDNT MAKE IT BY PUTTING IN SUPER BASIC EFFORT FOR AN ABSOLUTELY INCONSEQUENTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME

>>5067756
I want something to go with my post so I drew it. Took 30 mins I think? Picrel is something I drew a moth ago.
>>5067760
Did you listen to the file I gave you? Fucking Zoomer. Shut the fuck up and draw.

>>5067756
Forgot to ask. What method are you using?

I'm extremely happy with the anatomy and am alright with the face, but why does his hair look so shit? I can't put my finger on it.

>>5067794
Jesus died for our sins, but some sins cannot be forgiven.

>>5067785
>>5067790
Nice, was also wondering if you built the form using construction, or if you just went at it. It looks like it could be construction, but I can't really tell.

Not really following any particular technique, the hands, feet legs and arms is me just winging it. For the body, it's mostly the ribcage and pelvis squares/cylinders taught by Michael Hampton and Krenz.
Some more quick no ref sketches done in between writing this post.

I didn't get a (you) in the SQT so I'll ask here too.
Would I benefit from flipping reference images if I don't specifically study lines?

Why is subtle gesture harder then pronounced gesture?

>>5067909
Subtle gesture or rather, subtle muscle movements and flow of the body requires you to really have an eye for it and being able to see it at the first glance and be able to feel out the overall flow of the body, you also have to include things like balance as well.
Despite being harder than pronounced figures they’re much more fun to do than overly dramatic poses.

>>5067911
And is subtle gesture something I will just "get it" after enough gesture drawing sessions?

>>5067913
You will get it if you’re really paying attention while doing gesture drawing, a good practice is try to exaggerate the pose as much as possible without it looking too wonky and disfigured.
If you’re asking why I know this, it’s more from experience and observation with a bit of trying to come up with an answer.
I might probably watched a video like villpu or read through a book on the movements of the body or anatomy but I largely forgotten most of it (including the names of muscles :(((.) damn I really need to know the names of the muscles more.

>>5067920
Thanks

>>5067756
>>All of schizo anon's image posts have 4chan filenames
What's 4chan x? Shut up newfag

>>5067578
Fuck off talented fuck of course aomeone talented would have progress
I HAVE NO TALENT
>>5067574
Fuck off>>5067607
Lies, I drew a lot and no one ever told me GMI unlike the others
No resource will work on me
Its useless

>>5067705
I can't bring myself to draw anymore, it's useless since I have no talent.
>>5067666
>>5067785
>listen to this bro it will make you good at art
If it cant give me talent its useless, stop shilling that thibg

>>5067885
The dick is for the Schizoid. Sorry for the late reply, I usually draw a quick under sketch to get the proportion right. I also draw body parts on different layers for easy resize/warp.
>>5068006
I disappointed me.

>>5067885
The dick is for the Schizoid. Sorry for the late reply, I usually draw a quick under sketch to get the proportion right. I also draw body parts on different layers for easy resize/warp.
>>5068006
You disappointed me.

I agree you are talentless, now fuck off faggot.

>>5067103
Someone fuck my eyes out

>>5067600
I think you have completely misunderstood perspective and do not get it at all. Please review. If you don't want objects to align just don't line them up. Pic is from Perspective Made Easy

>>5067393
Don't listen to that guy, he's a crab trying to bring you down with him

>>5067280
>>5067286
Cleaned it up kinda.

>>5068019
See? People are calling me talentless because I AM
>>5068015
What? Im talentless

>>5068085
Would 2 layers for shadows and lights be better than one overlay layer or is that one only for photo editing?

Rough sketch. I cant figure out her left arm.
Should I also read a "how to draw manga" book just to figure out how anime eyes work? Feels like committing a cardinal sin, so Im hesitant. I understand the orientation and wrapping around the face part, its just how theyre stylized and such.

I feel kind of bad for people like 4 months anon, because the only reason they're like this is because they literally have never had a moment in their lives with ANYTHING where they overcame some obstacle that they thought they couldn't do, with enough hard work and effort. If they had, they could look at those past experiences to give them confidence to continue. But without it, they're forever stuck in the mindset that if you can't do something in x amount of time, it means you never will, which is just stupid.

>>5068189
As an example. My first real experience with this was back in college, when I thought I would fail Calc 2 a second time, and nearly fell into the spiral of just not being smart enough. Until I remembered Gurren Lagann and thought to myself "If they can fight against an enemy the size of the universe, I sure as shit can give it one final crazy attempt." And I locked myself in a room for basically a week doing absolutely nothing but grinding math. I passed that exam with a 98 and passed the class.

This came into play later, when I was playing Bloodborne. I was getting fucking salty on the DLC, but I thought back to that Math class and was just "I will throw myself at this fucking wall until I break through it." And stone faced did it.

It doesn't matter how dumb the confidence comes from. What matters is you have the experience of overcoming something you thought was impossible. This carried over into my career now as well, and now with drawing as I look back on all those times I thought I couldn't do it. Now my mindset for everything is "it doesn't matter if I'm shit, if I keep doing it, at some point it won't be shit."

4 months anon needs to have this breakthrough at some point in life.

new

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>>5067355
Man that's sad. I hope they leave ic soon because they are insufferable.

>>5068189
>>5068198
There's no overcoming, that's all talent speaking, I never overcame anything, I'm talentless

>>5068085
Better, but I think you forgot to add shadow to the hair and clothing.

am i gonna make it bros?

>>5069371
its unlikely.

How should I go about keeping things in proportion when it comes to starting out a gesture drawing? Thats one of my biggest issues is everything being too long, out of place, etc.