/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5053383
Is the Intuos 4 worth buying over the Intuos 3 if I can?

>>5053383
why not keep a google spreadsheet of good tablets by size and price?

>>5053395
the schizo is the only one making these threads so its not like it would ever get posted in the OP anyways.
would be interested in that but its hard to find people without a bias and experience with multiple tablets to compare. And if its made public to edit, the schizo will definitely destroy it

Best iPad? with both unlimited budget and mid budget.

Anybody have experience with the Cintiq 22? The newer, non "22HD" version.

Looking to use one in conjunction with a 13" Cintiq Pro and curious as to how appreciable the different screen manufacturing processes make the two.

>>5053383
Just bought a Wacom One.

What are some good tablets with working surface area larger than A5 paper? (preferably screenless)

When you are using a wacom screenless tablet, how far can you lift the stylus off the screen before losing tracking? Because when I lift it like a half an inch up I can't see my cursor move on the monitor. Is there a way to make it so when I have the stylus on the tablet at low pressure it doesn't draw a line so I can just move the stylus over the tablet to watch the cursor move and then apply pressure when I want a line to draw?

>>5054488
>how far can you lift the stylus off the screen before losing tracking?
about 1cm (0.4 inch)

>low pressure it doesn't draw a line
adjust the click threshold to your liking
Wacom Tablet Properties > Pen >
Customize...

>>5054500
is it common for someone to adjust the threshold for this purpose? do you do that? thanks for the info, i will try it.

>>5054508
Yes it's on by default so most people don't even notice it. I increased mine a bit more than the default value so I can get thin lines more easily, not really for hovering to see the cursor.
Since it's based on feeling everybody will want something different.

>>5054513
thank you very much

>>5053383
>budget
300-400 euros
>location
EU
>Type
preferably with display
>Size
medium sized (12 inches?)
>Previous equipment
a budget screenless wacom tablet

Anyone interested in splitting these two Procreate packs? They come to $27 total after their discount, so $13.50 each, or less if we get more people

https://cubebrush.co/tsvetka/products/aptjsa/ink-brushes-paper-textures

https://cubebrush.co/tsvetka/products/ab56a/procreate-watercolor-brushes-paper-textures

i got my xp-pen deco pro today and am looking at the driver and i am surprised to find that you can actually change the initial activation force inside of the pressure curve settings without having to open up the pen to access the potentiometer screw. also i never realized until now how smooth the surface of my kamvas pro 13 was until now. there is more of a papery resistance to this one.

>>5053383
>XP-Pen, Huion, Gaomon and every other Chinese brand - Poor build quality, lackluster pens, bad tilt, struggles to register light pressure, horrible customer support and the displays are not calibrated.
Is this bait? I thought XP-PEN ones were good.

>>5055929
No, they're trash.

This webm is the latest and most expensive XP Pen.

>>5055936
And what about the deco pro line?

>>5055953
Same pen technology, same trash.

First drawing tablet I bought, huion H610PRO, seems not bad, enjoying it

>>5054583
12 is considered small size for a display tablet, 15.6 is medium, it's enough to be comfortable but won't take up a ton of space.
The XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pro is on sale for 359 euros and they ship to the EU on their official site:
https://www.storexppen.eu/buy/15.html
If that's too large for you, you can get the 13.3 Pro too, although I highly recommend the 15.6. Avoid Huion and Artisul if you can, they have quality control issues.

>>5054583
Get a used 2nd gen iPad Pro 12.9". It's your best option by far.

Discard Chang here: >>5055965
He just wants to sell you unreliable chinese crap.

>>5055953
my deco pro medium arrived today and from the little i have used of it so far it works fine. none of the shit in the video is anything i've experienced. pressure is reasonably consistent, tilt is consistent and doesn't jitter around like that, cursor straying doesn't apply to regular graphics tablets, that's only a display tablet thing, i don't see any line wobble in my tests.

>>5055993
That's because you're a chinese shill.

>>5056001
oh fuck i've been found out! my cover is blown! xi is not gonna be a happy pappy

>>5053391
Yeah the pen technology barely changed from the Intuos 4 to the Intuos pro and the drivers are still supported unless you're using a mac.

Do i xppen artist 15.6 pro

>>5056132
Actually do i get Artist 12Pro Line Friends instead

Anyone have experience with directly buying from Huion's site? I just bought a Kamvas Pro 16 with prepaid customs tax because free expedited shipping.

>>5056148
I have, they sent via EMS it arrived in three days from china to not china.

>>5056160
That's good to hear, it will also ship to my country by EMS.

>>5056136
No. Why? Why would you go smaller with sponsorship bullshit all over the device?

Get the 15 if you can afford it. The Line edition is for Egirls.

I have a iPad Pro 2nd Gen 12.9, had it for a while now.

What's the best matte screen protector or nib or something to make drawing on it not so glassy/slidey? I really don't like how that feels. I'm aware of the loss of clarity/color that comes from using one or should I just man up and deal with it?

i have decided my budget is around £100/$130 and have a choice between XP pen Deco 3 or the XP Pen Pro Medium.
does anyone have a recommendation between one or the other? or an alternative?
it would be my first tablet, total beginner.

>>5056693
Pro Medium, its a newer cooler model with a slightly better pen.

>>5056705
thanks, i'm buying online without ever trying any of them, so i'll just bite the bullet on that one.

>>5053391
No, intuos 4 has bad build quality and drivers are abandonware.

>>5053803
If youre going over a 16" screen you need the better resolution.

>>5055929
Yes, it's bait. This guy took over the tablet threads and he just wants to fuck people over.

Xp pen is a solid brand, their new innovator 16 sucks because of the dim backlight but 15.6 pro and the new 2k 24" is great.

>>5056918
Just make another OP that isn't so fucked and refuse to bump the schizo's thread.

>>5056933
Mods dont read the threads, assume its a duplicate and just delete whichever one has fewer replies. The schizo samefag bumps his own threads to end them early so that he can post his new one, and if another non shit one gets posted he will bump his own repeatedly so that the mods dont purge it.

Actually, the funniest thing to do would be to abandon the thread at 280 replies. Its too many for the schizo to just leave it because it could bump to max in a few minutes, but its too few to artificially bump it with retard posts like pic related. He needs to stay up constantly while the thread nears its end so that he can get the next one off. This is because alongside schizophrenia, he is also autistic.

>>5057034
How funny, the schizo bumped his thread with an Artisul tablet pic.

>>5056918
>and the new 2k 24" is great.
See >>5055936

But alas, you're a braindead shill, moron.

>>5056918
The Innovator 16 is worse than the 15.6 pro?
Why does it even exist?

>>5057050

>>5057101
Their marketing pitch is portability, you can take it with your laptop.

>>5056915
>If youre going over a 16" screen you need the better resolution.

Thanks for making a weird ass assumption and ignoring my question, you ignorant pretentious dipshit!

>>5057101
No. It has two wheels and more premium screen.

>>5057101
Because its very thin and doesnt have huge bezels. I think they just fucked up on the screen backlight they chose for it. They either chose a low light for energy consumption reasons or portability, maybe even for cost. Screen tablets get dimmer over time so starting with something that dim means that after a while you cant see color or value accurately or draw in sunlight or bright lights.

Aside from the whole backlight thing I think its a good tablet.

>>5057130
Just putting that advice out there. Sorry you got triggered, maybe try taking your estrogen pills on time to control your mood

>>5057208
with a rod like that up your ass I don't think you should be attempting to shitpost that other people are trannies

i spilled something... how do i clean it?

>>5057351
very carefully

>>5057362
with what

>>5057363
Preferably something you normally clean with.

>>5056693
Pro is most recent so its the most refined.
>>5056918
I've got a 24pro and I'd say its good, not great. I love it but its a subjective love.
>>5057036
Cause Artisul uses old Wacoms for the shells of their tablets (or got very close design wise) so they found it was easier to just use Wacoms stock image. They Google about as hard as he did for it desu.

>>5057101
The brightness is offesively low compared to their other models and the screen resolution suffers because of it.
The 15.6 is the same just a bit thicker, brighter and cheaper.

>>5057617
tissue isnt working

anons drawing on a tab s6 / s7 / s6 lite
do you like it? is the size comfortable enough?

has anyone actually tried using weed whacker filament in an intuos pro pen as a nib replacement? i'm not gonna waste hundreds of dollars just to find out for myself but i am curious to hear from anyone who has done it.

I had a Veikk A30 graphic tablet last year, but after 9 months of using It, It just stopped working. I got It checked and apparently, the USB port gave up and just died.
I'm considering getting another A30 tablet since It'll give me a spare USB cable, nibs, and an extra stylus. I'm not sure if anyone here uses Veikk since It's obscure af,
but do any of you recommend using It? The Driver is underwhelming and the pen doesn't do much. I can't do much with the USB port since apparently none of the
repair shops in our area know any port model that can replace it.

I'm thinking of switching to XP Pen Deco tablets in general since It has a lot more support, bonus points for having a driver for Ubuntu. My budget is ~$100
Also for XP pen users here, how long did your model last?

>>5053383
So when are they gonna finally make an all-in-one animation tablet computer that uses color electronic ink

>>5058135
still depends on the user and the app used, but I'm mostly fine drawing with the s6 lite's size and weight. I just zoom in, out or move the drawing area in any direction when drawing the details. there is a screen zoom option under the Settings to make the texts and menu of the apps smaller. also, the working screen size is almost the same as that of my intuos 4 medium tablet.
tho of course an S7+ screen size would be generally better if budget permits.

>>5058135

I got a tab S7+ like a week an a half ago, and I'm absolutely loving it.

Since that's bigger than any option you mentioned, I'll also say that I've been drawing on my Note 8 (and Note 4 before that) for years and while it's a bit more cramped, was perfectly doable, and I'll continue to enjoy drawing on the Note whenever I'm anywhere that I wouldn't bring a tablet.

The S6/S7/S6 Lite should all be pretty comfy. The little bit of extra size on the S7+ is great and it feels like a damned near perfect size, but if I didn't have the money for more than the S6 Lite, I'm certain I'd still have a great time with it.

The only thing I'd worry about it feeling small for is if you wanted to us it as a pen display for desktop apps like Photoshop through SuperDisplay, since the tool panels take up space. SuperDisplay let's you toggle between different zoomed areas of screen though, so while not ideal, it's manageable. I used to use SuperDisplay with photoshop on my Note, and I had toggleable settings for zoomed in on the tool panel in portrait, and zoomed to the canvas in landscape, and it worked well enough. Might not even need to do that on the S6 Lite, since its bigger than the Note, but if you do need it, the option is there.

>>5053751
iPad pro for sure - 120hz refresh rate. mid budget says on the sticky, get a used iPad Pro 2nd gen, although you can go for a used 3rd gen if you want to use an apple pencil 2 since the 2nd gen is only compatible with the first apple pencil

There are rumors that a new iPad Pro will be released in March, so if you want to wait and you have the cash to splurge then go for it

>>5058192
>>5058386
much appreciated

>>5058160
Veikk is meh. There's nothing stand out about them and they're not endeavoring to compete with XP or Huion so I'm not sure what their hardware updates or driver updates are common enough that you won't run into random problems that might have been fixed in other brands.


That said,
>Also for XP pen users here, how long did your model last?
My first was a 10 from about 4 years ago, still works, just hated the glass screen.
My 2 main are a Deco02 going on 3 years still works great (its my backup) and an Artist24 thats about to be 5 months with me, running fine under daily use.
Previous screenless was a Wacom Bamboo that held out for 8 years of moderate use.

>>5053383
will it shorten my tablet's life if i leave it plugged to the usb i.e. turned on 24/7 the whole year

>>5059543
i don't see why it would. if it did die in less than a year just from being plugged in, it likely had a manufacturing defect which is the real cause of the problem.

>>5059567
it didnt die, i'm considering doing that because i want to replace the mouse with it

Hey guys im new here, hoping to here an answer
i got recently a huion Kamvas 16 pro and for this past week it's been working fine, but yesterday and today i started to get shocked when i touched the C type connector, the hdmi port and the back of the tablet
a friend of mine says it's static because there are a lot of cables around
for refecence i also touched an aux cable of my speakers and also got shocked and it never happened before even after i unplugged the hdmi and the Type C
does anyone else had something similar happening?
is it really static?
And if so, how do i fix it?

>>5059688
Look into grounding your laptop electrically

Do graphics tablets where you draw on the screen really make much difference over the more inexpensive ones that sit on your desk?

Seems like a disadvantage drawing straight onto the screen and having part of it obscuring by your hand desu.

>>5059795
>Do graphics tablets where you draw on the screen really make much difference over the more inexpensive ones that sit on your desk?
Some people adjust to the screenless ones just fine, some hate it. I don't know how prevalent this is.
>Seems like a disadvantage drawing straight onto the screen and having part of it obscuring by your hand desu.
Yeah, but you don't have to build the coordination required by regular graphics tablets. Plus, the bigger the screen, the less of an issue this is.

>>5059815
Ah cheers.

Might try one next year, although my current small wacom has served me fine.

Are XP Pen an acceptable brand? They look good.

>>5059916
>Are XP Pen an acceptable brand?
Can't say for certain as I haven't tried out any of their products (they don't ship to my country), but from what I see they are pretty much equal to Huion except for slight color calibration (a bit too much red) issues, and less complaints about defective units, meaning they've got better quality control.

I've seen this one be commended, but why is it so much more expensive on Amazon than on the XP store?
https://www.storexppen.com/buy/deco-pro.html
https://www.amazon.ca/XP-PEN-Deco-Graphics-Ultrathin-Function/dp/B07RQLFN8C?ref_=ast_sto_dp

>>5060109
XP-Pen is doing a Christmas sale, it seems to apply in their official site (and eBay), but not Amazon. Weird.

>>5059734
I see, so the main problem may be on my laptop?

>>5059795
as someone who started with regular tablets and didn't like them, and then got a display tablet and decided i couldn't have done without it, and have now moved back to a regular tablet, i gotta say as long as you can get used to the hand eye coordination thing of drawing one place and looking somewhere else, there is no difference really, and there are actually benefits to using a graphics tablet instead, mainly having to do with if you already own a good sized regular monitor.

>budget
$300 ($400 if there's nothing decent in the price range)
>location
USA
>type
Display
>size
Any
>other information
Beginner. Tried using friends non-display tablet and had a real hard time staying motivated and making it work. Haven't found any decent used IPads/Galaxy tablets in my area, and I'm concerned about them slowing down over time and having to purchase a pen on top of it. However, if portable tablets really are the way to go, I'm willing to be convinced.
>previous equipment
paper

>>5060158
I think so but of course I could be wrong

>>5055965
>$300
It's a good time to buy tablets due to Christmas sales. The XP-Pen Artist 15.6 Pro is on sale for $339 and has free shipping to USA:
https://www.storexppen.com/buy/artist-15_6pro.html

>>5060409
Meant for
>>5060358

My budget is 600 to 800 dollars.

I want a minimum of 9×12 or whatever equivalent I could find but preferably more if I could fit that into the budget. The biggest I can get while keeping my other features

A display on the tablet is a must

Don't care about it being portable

I want that shit where the screen is very thin so it doesn't look like your pen is floating on the screen from your actual connection point

A pen with around 8000 pressure levels.

I've been doing everything traditionally for a while, but I want to get into coloring and painting and I feel a tablet will be cheaper in the long run than buying paints and markers.

So what would be a good recommendation

>>5060522
You can choose between the cintiq 22 and huion Kamvas 22 Plus. If you want cheaper there's Artist 15.6 Pro that half of the thread are orgasmic about.

With Wacom you get the better pen and a really shitty screen.
With the chinks you get a much better screen.

>>5060525
What do you think matters more, better pen or screen. And what's supposedly good about the Artist 15.6. my main thing is I'd rather spend less money but not for a drastically inferior product.

I've heard some reviews saying Huion is not very durable or made well compared to Wacom stuff. Is that true.

Sorry for so many questions just really new to this and want to make sure I'm buying something worth while.

>>5060539
Not them. Don't post in these threads if you want an opinion because there's a samefagging /pol/tard in these threads that keeps trying to shove wacom and ipads at everyone. Stay away from these threads as it doesn't even draw.

>>5060544
Okay, where else would I go to get information.

And I refuse to buy apple and want something actually explicitly dedicated to drawing that's well made.

>>5060539
I would go with the screen. you get better colors and a smaller gap between the tip of the pen and the actual pixels you're drawing.
The Wajews reserve all the good stuff for their 3000$ Cintiq Pro while the """"cheap""" 800$ Cintiq Pleb gets a crappy display and the glass with an air gap. With Chinese tablets the glass is actually glued on like on a smartphone but on a cheap cintiq it's airgapped from the screen so there's going to be a visible disconnect between the pen and your drawing.

>what's supposedly good about the Artist 15.6.
It's an overall good deal. Everything is fine and the price tag is fine. There's also Kamvas 16 Pro that is supposed to be the same but the people just love Xp-Pen more, and there's Kamvas 16 premium with a better quantum dot screen.

There's also Kamvas 22 Plus, it's new and the people seem to love it. The pros are the price and a very good quantum dot screen. The cons is that i has no buttons, touch sliders, rings or any controls at all, just a minimalistic black rectangle.

>I've heard some reviews saying Huion is not very durable
I don't have a huge control group for the statistics, both of my tablets are fine but a guy in the thread had a problem with his pen. The pens are 20$ or so though.

>>5060561
Would you recommend the Artist 15.6 as a good first tablet? Does it have the issue with the large screen gab or is it similar to the Kamvas where that issue is resolved.

>>5060539
>>5060549
Buy Wacom or an ipad otherwise you a are gook loving simp who loves BBC. Hitler would buy from Wacom and would make asking paintings on it if he had one, because hitler is the best. I hate Jews and I make art about hating jews on my Wacom Cintiq pro 16 and ipad, it's the white man's choice 1488.

>>5060549
Well as you know there's 3 different types of drawing devices: screenless drawing tablets, screen drawing tablets and EMR tablets/EMR laptops. First port of call is to check out what devices your favourite artists are doing. Second port of call is figuring out that screen tablets dying is very normal (just go onto r/wacom and r/xppen and r/huion and the archives and you'll see all the shit that can possibly go wrong). Third port of call is to realise that there's pretty much only like wacoms or huions or xppen or samsung tablets to choose from, so if you're on a budget you're probably going to be buying an xp pen or samsung s6 lite and if you have money probably wacom.

Pen pressure level and thinness of the screen is not important. Most important feature is the size of the tablet. If you need wrist surgery because you gave yourself carpal tunnel syndrome from buying a tiny tablet, that's a big issue. Tilt and rotation are also bells and whistles that tend to be missing if you go with the sort of tablet you imagine when you think "tablet" like potentially a samsung or ipad. It can be unimportant for a lot of applications but for others it might make or break your brushes. Screen mirroring is also important, as in the case of dummies who bought an ipad and found out they couldn't use it with their computer like they could have if they had bought anything else. Applications are also important because if you buy a android device or an ipad you have access to different apps (and the only really good apps tend to be eternal subscriptions on your device with no cracks so you'll be paying for it forever whereas with a computer you can just pay for a perpetual license and own it forever or get it cracked.) Ergonomically screen tablets also tend to be worse for your posture. And finally, pay attention to the warranty. And also pay attention to whether or not there are any service places for it in your country or you'll be mailing your cintiq when things go wrong

>>5060567
>screen gab
gap?
Artist 15.6 has a glued-on glass.

>>5060539
>I've heard some reviews saying Huion is not very durable or made well compared to Wacom stuff. Is that true.
Yes. The vast majority of people sad enough to buy Huions on /ic/ always complain of something, whether it's screen flickering, pen not working, dead pixels or something else. Huion and XP-Pens are just cheaply made.

>xp pen christmas sale is worse than the black friday sale
thank fuck. my purchase feels vindicated now

>>5053383
I have a question. I'm pretty new to this digital art stuff but I have some fun on Illustrator. I'm about to get a Huion h640p and I'm looking forward, but the problem is that I read that the tablet may lag the computer. I'm not sure if the problem is with the computer or the tablet, and I want your opinion.
I have 8gb RAM.

>>5060187
Thanks.

>>5060747
usually chink sites have the biggest deals on 11.11

>>5060567
Always get the Pro versions, for the small premium you're getting a scroll wheel (XP-Pen) or touch bar (Huion) that can be used for zoom, scroll, or changing brush size.

>>5060753
It will not lag your computer. Drawing tablets are essentially just a very fancy mouse.

>>5061134
Thanks.

XP pen 15.6 pro working on Surface pro 3?

>Budget
60-80 dollars
>Location
Brazil
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
screnless
>Size (in inches)
something bigger than 6.0 x 3.7
>Other information
i used a 16" cintiq and didn't liked, so im looking for a cheap tablet bigger than mine.
after a small search i found XP-Pen deco 01 v2/Star G960 and the deco 01v2 is more appealing, but i don't know which is better.
>Previous equipment
Small Wacom CTL-490 Intuos Comic

>>5061726
i'm also thinking of huion h610 pro v2, actually i'm almost buying it

>>5061741
you should get it.

>>5060753
8 GB of RAM is what generally causes ramhogging adobe products to be slow, depending on how big you're working

I'm a career graphic designer, but have been stuck knee-deep in the digital motion/social media graphic world for years now to the point where my last tablet was an old-school Bamboo probably a decade ago.

I want to get back into digital art with a proper tablet but also don't want to throw around $1000-$2000 on something that I feel I'm only just now getting back into and will be rusty as all hell with.

Is it the right call to go with a more accurate budget option right now even if it means not having a display? The displays are extremely tempting since they practically weren't an option back when I last did this, but I don't want to spend more money on an unquestionably worse tablet just because it has a display to work with.

>>5062385
if you're a career graphic designer then i assume that means you got proficient with your old bamboo. you won't know if a display tablet is worth it unless you try it, but if you're trying to do stuff on a budget, i say if it's not broke don't fix it. plenty of skilled pros use displayless graphics tablets. the only downside to a graphics tablet is dealing with getting used to the hand eye coordination. my first couple of tablets were graphics tablets and i could never get used to it. i finally got a display tablet when those became affordable and i loved it because i didn't have to deal with that. i have now moved back to a graphics tablet for various reasons and i found that i had no problem with the hand eye coordination aspect of it. i think if i had just stuck with it back in the old days of my first graphics tablets, i would have gotten used to it after some time, but i settled for the easy option of a display tablet and i think in retrospect that it was a waste of money.

another thing to consider is what you already have. do you have a decent sized monitor already? because i can tell you that bigger is pretty much always better, however from your budget constraints, it's not realistic to get a large display tablet if you're a working professional. if you're going with a budget option, you can get a 22 inch display tablet for around $400, but it's going to be 1080p and it's going to look like ass because of how close the viewing distance is paired with the low pixel density. some people have tablets like this and say they're fine, but i doubt if they had the same tablet with 1440p or 4k next to the original one, they'd prefer the 1080p. it's not ideal, it's just a compromise people make and then live with.

so you have to consider what you already have. do you have a decent sized monitor already, something in the size range of 26 inches or larger, maybe as much as 30 inches or even bigger that you can use with a graphics tablet?

>>5062385
cause i can say from my own experience that between a 13 inch display tablet, and a nice big monitor paired with a graphics tablet, the second option is vastly superior. people draw at different scales, and i didn't realize it at the time, but the small display tablet was actually fucking me up because i would always hear people say to stop zooming in, try drawing completely zoomed out so that you can see the entire drawing at the same time and this will help you to be better at drawing. the problem with this was that it would shrink the whole thing down so small that i couldn't draw in a way that felt natural because i was being forced to draw so much smaller than what feels natural to me. in order to do that, i would have to zoom in close, but that crops the rest of the image, since the screen is so small. with the bigger regular monitor and graphics tablet, i have no such problem anymore.

however another thing to consider is that, even if you get a display tablet and you decide you would work better with a graphics tablet, you can still use it as a graphics tablet, just set the active area to one of your regular displays instead of the tablet display, and the tablet will also have the added benefit of acting as an additional monitor. you can get a 13 inch display tablet for anywhere from $230-$300, and since it's the holidays if you wait a bit they'll likely go on sale. the texture of the screen is only slightly textured and will feel very smooth compared to what you can get from a graphics tablet, which can feel more papery. you can get an xp-pen deco pro medium for only $130 with a very close active area size to a 13.3 inch display tablet. you can get larger graphics tablets, but in my opinion, 11x6 active area is a good size.

>>5062385
oh, also one last thing a lot of people seem to dislike about display tablets is that your hand is in the way which obstructs your view of what you're drawing. personally i was never bothered by it but i suspect i'm in the minority on that.

>>5061932
>>5061741
Get a Deco 01v2 or HS611.

H610 is a Frankenstein monster composed out of new components and an ancient fucking eclosure. The enclosure is low quality, mini usb is loose and disconnects spontaneously.

Whattever you buy it ABSOLUTELY MUST have usb-C. The ones with C are actually new.

>>5062385
one last last thing i remembered just now. if you are not sure what size tablet to get, here is a video explaining an easy method to figure that out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FVT4BzY5UY

he cut out pieces of paper at different sizes, but in my opinion, think it works better and makes more sense to get a big piece of sketchpad paper and draw a couple of drawings on the paper, and then simply measure the dimensions of the drawings and buy a display tablet with a screen about 1 inch larger vertically and 1-2 inches larger horizontally than what you measured as the average drawing size. the reason for the extra size is because if you're using it on a desktop, the canvas can't take up the entire screen unless you are drawing in full screen which i doubt most people do. some part of the screen is going to be program UI stuff, so the canvas is not going to be the size of the entire screen and you have to account for the canvas area shrinkage.

if you're using a graphics tablet then this matters a lot less. still worth taking into account, but simply more important and consequential when using a display tablet.

>>5062535
>>5062586
>>5062618
>>5062657
Appreciate all of the feedback here. For clarification, my current home display is a 32", so that certainly helps things. I felt like I did get at least somewhat comfortable with my Bamboo, but never to the degree that I felt with regular pen and paper, and it's been so long that I don't know how much of that I've even retained.

I'm a beginner to tablets and thinking about getting the deco 01 v2. Does anyone know how long the cables are they provide with it?

>>5063096
1.5 meters or so, the regular lenght

>>5063106
Thanks, I was fretting about how I would organize my desk if it were on the shorter side.

Looking for a tablet that would be an elementary schooler's first tablet. I use a Wacom CTL4100 myself, is that same model okay or too much? Here I want to buy a new one, not giving away the one I already have,.

>>5063459
Huion HS611 or XP-Pen Deco 01 V2, you can't go wrong with any of those. Wacoms are bad deals unless you're a professional who can afford shelling out top dollar for the very best.

>>5059543
Not really. The only thing that might suffer a little is the battery, since lithium batteries really like being between 70-85% full. Not that it matters for your usecase.

I can get the discontinued Cintiq 13HD or a Cintiq 16 at roughly the same price, good as new. Which is the better option for my money?

Is the Gaomon pd1161 on Aliexpress any good? I'm too poor for anything else with a screen, everything in my third world country (Chile) is just too expensive.

>>5064438
the screen on that is goddamn tiny, and the usable canvas area will be even smaller after desktop program UI elements are factored in. are you dead set on getting a display tablet or are you open to graphics tablets? you can get a good graphics tablet for less than half the cost of that thing, with a larger overall active drawing area, and will probably be a hundred times less frustrating to use due to the only screen size constraints being with what your regular monitor(s) are, which i'm gonna guess are a lot bigger than 11.6 inches diag. look at the XP-Pen Deco 01 V2 and see if it looks like it could suit your needs.

if you're using it with a phone rather than a desktop or laptop then the screen size thing doesn't matter as much. i don't have any experience with gaomon so i can't say one way or the other what the quality is gonna be like.

>>5063618
>chinese crap
No thanks.

>>5064475
>are you dead set on getting a display tablet
Yes, I've been using graphic tablets since around 2017 and wanted something different for a change. Thanks for the rec anyway but I don't think I'll buy another gt because I'm happy with the one I've right now.

I've made several threads and posts complaining about my Huion Kamvas 20 and how it kept fucking up my pen and having it randomly disconnect.

I found the problem. It was my mac's problem. I had a bloated battery. It was leaking acid all over my circuitry and components and could've caught fire any time, burning my house down. So now that I've been using my Kamvas with another computer this past week, I haven't had a single screwup. It's functioning perfectly. Woo

>>5064509
I'm glad you caught it anon

>>5064509

>>5064509
apple products are built like shit. look up some louis rossman videos if you want to find out more about that.

>>5064495
Ipad then. All tablets are made in china.

Anybody have a Cintiq 16 (non-HD)? Is it a trash investment for a hobbyist at that price?

>>5064582
based

I'm in a part of the world where getting a reliable monitor arm + mounting bracket for a Cintiq Pro 24 costs roughly the same as getting Wacom's all-in-one flex arm thing, due to the bracket and arm being two separate items that'd need to be shipped internationally (for a fucking retarded amount of $) and possibly even redirected while I can just buy the Wacom thing locally.
Since I'm already going to be paying out the ass for whichever setup I go with, is there any reason *not* to get the flex arm outside of cost?

>>5053383
>Intuos Pro M - The best non-display tablet.
It'd be fine if I grab the Large right? Anyways how are the drivers for those guys

>>5065081
Just updated photoshop and my intuos pro drivers have already died two times in one drawing session. Don't buy large you'll end up moving your hand all the way across the surface giving yourself carpal tunnel syndrome (both small + large = carpal tunnel syndrome). Also be aware that the surface eats nibs like crazy so you'll need to either buy a smoothing sheet or have something over the surface or grind the surface down.

>>5065081
(cont)
Also look after the pen and don't drop it or you might have to buy a replacement. Keep it away from the edge of the desk

>>5065102
>>5065104
alright thanks for your opinion anon
>my intuos pro drivers have already died two times in one drawing session
How old is your tablet?

>>5065160
About two years. Also the intuos pro ones drivers don't need to be restarted often, it's my old bamboo that needs that shit at least once every drawing session so hopefully the next PS update or driver update will fix it
https://pastebin.com/GpjHG5gT
Just run a .bat script like mine to avoid giving yourself carpal tunnel having to go into services every time. Since restarting the drivers doesn't work the first time, my .bat restarts all of them twice.

Wacom is never updating their 24 pro, are they? I really fucking need something bigger than 16 inches.

I just got my first tablet (intuos basic pen M), and i was wondering wich software should i use it with.
Photoshop feels pretty bad so i'm using manga studio but maybe there are better options out there.

>>5065193
Paintstorm
Corel Painter
Medibang

>>5065206
Thanks, i'll check them up

>>5065081
>>5065102
As long as you have the desk space for it. Some people find it too big but you can always limit the size in the wacom settings.

>>5065102
>Don't buy large you'll end up moving your hand
Move your fucking shoulder nigga.
Hand drawing isn't seriour, you need to put your shoulder into your strokes if you hope to ever get rid of the chicken scratches.

>>5065414
>Move your fucking shoulder nigga.
Drawing on a non-display tablet isn't the same as drawing on paper or a canvas, idiot.

>>5065417
How else are you supposed do draw a staright line across the entire screen, retard?

The tablet is your working area, you cant possibly cover it by twitching your fingertips like a shitscrub, just because it's a tablet doesn't nean you don't need to learn to draw.

I fucking swear you must be one of the people who claims that drawing lineart without a screen is impossible.

>>5065414
Are you the retarded schizo OP who doesn't draw? Do you know how a hand crosses the tablet in the first place? No one uses their shoulder and all the retarded videos on holding pens in weird ways are all made by ngmi youtubers who also don't draw and want clicks. Your hand has to physically cross the tablet and if you draw 8+ hours per day like I do you will be in surgery by the end of the month thanks to large tablets with high friction surfaces. Large tablets will also make it significantly harder to draw curves and maintain straight lines by hand with any kind of accuracy. Why do you think people zoom out? Large is wasted realestate while needing more desk room and requiring you to crane your neck. Some people like large but for most people it's a bad size.

I haven't chickenscratched in more than half a decade.

>>5065544
I hold the pen like a normal pen, use shoulder for large strokes and the crabs accuse my lines of being vectors or shit.

t. Deco pro chad who posted the pressure strokes and shit. How do you think I did those long pressure strokes or diagonal lines? Do you think i have a huge fucking wrist?
Deco Pro Medium is only 1 inch smaller than Intuos Large.

>>5065429
Missing the point, idiot.
Drawing on a non-display is not the same as drawing on paper or a display, moron.

>>5065662
>shit
>shit
>fucking
Still the same swearwords, Zhang. Still waiting for puberty to hit?

>>5066596

>>5064234
wtf, it doesnt have a battery

>>5066771
I was assuming iPad kind of tablets, since drawing tablets taking damage for being plugged in makes no sence.

>>5067009
>since drawing tablets taking damage for being plugged in makes no sence
You've obviously never owned a Wacom.
Most tablets have ports that need to be plugged in for power aren't always placed in a great spot. Back when everything was just Mini and Micro USBs, which already had awful durability with average use, fucked up cords was common. That's why wacoms replacement parts cost as much as they do. You'll hear stories about discontinued cables leaving old Wacom users high and dry.

>>5059543
It really shouldn't. Depending on what you have it left on it might burn an image into the screen at the worst.

>>5067072
>fucked up cords was common
How about don't be a retard.
t. Still using my first Bamboo

>>5067082
My bamboo cord died like a month in. Admit it retard, you just didn't even use the tablet.

>>5067082
I had a Bamboo for 8 years, the cord was janked for 7 of them. It's okay to be wrong, maybe you'll learn something correct and be right next time.

>>5064842
Apologies for bumping this, but I think I'm about to pull the trigger on the Cintiq 16 for Christmas unless you guys have had negative experiences with them or think it's wasted money

>>5066593
wait do you not draw from your shoulder on a digitizer tablet? post your work, i'm genuinely interested in seeing how that looks

>>5067807
waste of money. the cintiq 16 is wacom's budget version, get an xp pen innovator 16 instead. wacom's big cintiqs make sense for the discerned professional, for everyone else just use xp pen

>>5067807
Don't buy a Cintiq and give up on art a week into the hobby. I'd buy a cheap chinese medium screenless tablet UNLESS YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DRAWING DAILY FOR LONGER THAN (1) 1! MONTH!

Because buying a cintiq won't improve your art at all from /beg/ scribbles. Every artist I've ever met on /beg/ who tried to get good gave up or have deleted all their socials and by the time the average artist gets good, I mean it in the sincerest way, that Cintiq will have died.

Only buy a Cintiq if you are gunning for /pro/. And even then a lot of pros use screenless.

Any xp pen shills here?
I met a problem with the 3-in-1 cable.
It keeps giving me usb device not recognized error, and causes me unable to use the touch screen.
Buying another one is expensive as hell.
Did you met the same issue?
What can i do to diagnose/solve it?

Has anyone used the S7+ with CSP? I'm wondering if you have the issue of not so great palm rejection while drawing as well and how to go about dealing with it. Using a glove doesn't seem to help either

>>5067865
don't own one but have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling drivers?

Is the Wacom One good? I want to try drawing on display and it looks like it's the most affordable display tablet outside chink stuff.

by the time the average artist gets good, I mean it in the sincerest way, that Cintiq will have died.

What kind of time frame are you talking about? I got a Cintiq 13HD like 5 years ago, and it works fine.

Granted, I hate being glued to my desk, so the majority of my drawing while I've owned it has still been in a sketch book, untill I got a Galaxy Tab to use on the go. So my Cintiq has been only semi-regular, but you're acting like it's more of a waste if someone won't use it every day because it'll just die over time anyway, and I've never heard of that.

I'd still go for something cheaper if I were just starting. I didn't get a Cintiq until I finished my art degree.

>>5067861
>>by the time the average artist gets good, I mean it in the sincerest way, that Cintiq will have died.

What kind of time frame are you talking about? I got a Cintiq 13HD like 5 years ago, and it works fine.

Granted, I hate being glued to my desk, so the majority of my drawing while I've owned it has still been in a sketch book, untill I got a Galaxy Tab to use on the go. So my Cintiq has been only semi-regular, but you're acting like it's more of a waste if someone won't use it every day because it'll just die over time anyway, and I've never heard of that.

I'd still go for something cheaper if I were just starting. I didn't get a Cintiq until I finished my art degree.

>>5068270

Untick that box, and it will stop accepting single point touch gestures.
Two figure gestures to move the canvas and stuff will still work.

Should make palm rejection a non-issue.

I was about to ask about large tablet recommendations but this thread just seem to be filled with shitposting and race-baiting idiots.

Real question, where do you go for ACTUAL hardware reviews from people that ACTUALLY draw?

>>5056013
FAILURE

>>5068453
Drawing since I could pick up a pencil at six years old, only started taking art seriously three years ago, bought my first tablet ten years ago.

Granted, if you already have a cintiq for as long as you have and have been using it then it seems to me like it's a good investment regardless of anything if you're a hobbyist? So long as you're getting good mileage out of the tablets they're good.

>>5068471
robotpencil and fengzhu use the good old screenless tablet, that's all you need to draw professionally, everything else is painful luxury

>>5068496
Basically, if your already sure you'll enjoy digital drawing, and will do it regularly, then a Cintiq is a good buy if you have the money and want the best screen tablet for a PC or Mac.

If you're like me, and will draw more if you can do it without being glued to your desk, then I'd look at IPads and Galaxy Tabs if you're satisfied with the Android/iPadOS software. I use Super Display on Android to use my tablet as a pen display, and it gets very little latency over my wifi, so it's almost like a cintiq I can carry around the house without worrying about cords. The biggest downside of that is that the biggest Galaxy Tab is slightly smaller than the smallest Cintiq, so I do still use the CIntiq when I feel like sitting at my desk.

BRAZILNON REPORTING IN AGAIN

Alright so 20 days ago I said that I got the gaomon pd1161, and I also recommended it here to other brazilnons.
If you bought it from aliexpress, expect it to arrive around 20 days or so.
It just arrived to me and here are some good and bad things

The bad first:
>you need to adjust the colors manually before using it
>bunch of cables (expect hdmi)
>the driver (seriously if you already have a wacom, please uninstall EVERY tablet driver you have before installing the gaomon driver, otherwise it won't work)
>you need to add an Ipad screen protector to it

The good:
>cheap as fuck (1000 reais no aliexpress pra você arrumar uma tablet quase se não igual a uma cintiq meu irmão, olha no mercadolivre, tá 3k essa porra)
>no parallax, NONE
>small enough to carry around
>big enough to comfortably draw on it
>battery free pen
>having used a cintiq before I felt no difference, actually even the cintiq had parallax

Any other brazilanon out there wanting to buy it? Espera o ano novo chinês passar, comprar agora não vale a pena e essa porra tá em promoção sempre. Se comprar agora, capaz de chegar só em fevereiro.

>>5068317
tried that.
Pretty sure it's a cable issue, because it works sometimes, very very rarely.
It's like there's this very sweet spot to plug it in and it will work.

>>5068615
>BRAZIL
stopped reading there

tfw too much of a pussy to spend on a chinese cintiq alternative

i have a problem.
I bought this like a couple of months ago and it's already scratched from drawing.
What do I do?
Do i increase my pen pressure?
I dont think that there are screen protectors for this model
it's an xp pen artist 12 btw

>>5068902
Don't press so fucking hard. Goddamn.

>>5068907
That's just how I draw, what do I do?

>>5068507
Thanks for the non-sequitor shitpost, appreciated

>>5068912
>>5068907
>>5068902
will buying a screen protecter now do any good?

>>5068917
it will prevent it from getting worse, although it's pretty ugly already. if you are ok with it as it is now then sure, get a screen protector. if you think it's been ruined irreparably then you should replace it and keep a screen protector on the new one from the start.

>>5068912
>That's just how I draw

Drawing with a lighter touch is a learned thing. It'll do you good in the long term, so the sooner you force yourself to learn it the better. Or just fuck up your hands as you get older because you draw like a damn banshee, whatever.

>>5068935
any advice for drawing lighter?
How do I teach myself this?

I'm a third worlder boi (from Peru), what could I get from no more than $150? The only thing that I could afford from a local store would be a Wacom Intuos Small ($110 BT model, $70 without), but I'd like to know if there are other options at a cheaper price.

>>5068766
I've been burned on cheap Chinese shit too many times to fall for that meme. I'd rather pay extra for something I know will be more consistent or at least easier to fix if something goes wrong.

>>5068987
Read >>5068615

>>5068902
XP-Pen comes with pre-applied screen protectors, which is what you're scratching. You can buy a replacement on their website, and not press as hard next time.

>>5068946
Just.
Draw.
Lighter.
What don't you understand?
Draw Lighter.

>>5069688
can i use magic eraser of some shit to fix the screen protector?
i tried toothpaste and baking soda like what you do to chipped screens and it doesn't seem to work.
I can't find xp pen 12's screen protector on their site, only the pro version of it.

>>5068902
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001530065845.html
here you go bro. stop pressing so hard, you can change the pen pressure sensitivity in the driver software.

>>5069770
Even if it did work that would polish the protector to high gloss basically as if there wasn't any protector.

>>5068766
You're actually not being a brainlet so don't feel ashamed of yourself. Just save money for an iPad Pro or Cintiq. It has been endlessly proven chinks shill so hard to the point they even pay popular Youtubers to promote their products so their NPC followers take the bait and buy them. One of them even exposed these tactics in a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

what exactly is supposedly better about an intuos pro compared to the most expensive graphics tablet offerings from either huion or xp-pen. be as specific as possible or your opinion doesn't matter

>>5064582
Baste

>>5071170
>>5069114
Samefag wacom shill
Chinese products are good, bang for the buck

>>5071265
All screenless tablet has the same quality.
Wacom is just more expensive. If you get xp pen or huion you'll trigger the schizo OP.

>>5071430
>All screenless tablet has the same quality.
t. idiot
It's the exact same difference as screen tablets. There is still clearly a difference in pen quality.

>>5071447
what is the difference in pen quality. i said be specific, cunt. make a bullet pointed list of what is better about the pens.

>>5071475
Right here idiot: >>5055936
and no, being non-display changes nothing. XP-Trash use the exact same pens across all their tablets, and have all the same problems.

>>5071447
Hello schizo.

How are the chinese shills today? Do they disappear at night, or does your sleep get troubled?

>>5071170
You're a beg shitter not qualified to review a tablet. Your youtube channel is dead and you are gay.

Go back to reading sticky.

>>5068946
wank a few days a week to release the tension

>>5065081
The Intuos pro L is the best screenless tablet I've ever used. The 4-point tracking on the huion and xp-pen ones is just much worse for some reason. Don't get me started on the liftoff range either.

>EU, no budget limit.
What is a good and reliable screenless tablet?
The Intuos Pro Medium is quite expensive for a screenless tablet, is it really so much better than XP pen tablets?

I had a bad experience with Huion a while ago so I'm not gonna consider them this time.

>>5071754
>is it really so much better than XP pen tablets?

Its better, Id pay 50 euros more for one. Maybe even 75. But 250 more? Get the fuck out. Awful value for money.

>>5071778
Yeah the Deco Pro is on sale right now too for 110€... so I’m rather tempted to go for that one.

How better exactly?

>>5071778
>>5071791
https://essentialpicks.com/wacom-intuos-vs-xp-pen-comparison/
Apparently the Intuos holds up much better overtime.
Can’t this prevented by using a screen protector? Is it a thing for screenless tablets?

>>5071798
Some people just buy plastic dividers or those clear file folders from stationary stores and tape those over the surface of the tablet. You can get smooth or rough ones depending on your preference.

>>5071170
>exposed these tactics
This is not rocket science.
Or are americans so fucking dumb they don't have common senses?

>>5071265
>xp-pen
within a month, the cable gave up and is unusable.
>>5068635
And the shills here don't even bother to defend / diagnose the problem.

Xp pen is a meme shit.
At least my wacom tablet does not give me any shits after half year of usage.

>>5071791
"Better" is a matter of feeling. After having used both the wacom pro pen and chinkshit pens, the main difference is that the chink pens feel like they have a very slight stabilizer on all the time. This makes a slight change in feeling, but its a matter of taste how you feel about that. I can use both no problem.

Its no debate that the intuos pros are an enormous waste of money. Tilt is an absolute meme peddled by retards like the schizo and his eyebrowless master arron rutten, who are crippled by their software reliance. If you want to emulate traditional so much that you're willing to spend 350 on a tablet then why dont you just do actual traditional art.

>>5071813
>And the shills here don't even bother to defend / diagnose the problem.

Why would anyone give a shit that your cable died? Like, Im sorry it happened to you and all that but Ive owned about 7 tablets from all major companies and Ive never had any shitty cables. I think a huge part of that is because I just plug the thing in, and then leave it the fuck alone. I dont move it, mess with the cable, anything. It sits on my desk and I draw with it and somehow thats too complicated for a considerable amount of retards.

>>5053803
cintiqs have the shittiest screens. they are too dim and have shit viewing angles. also cant believe it doesnt have 1 usb c instead of 3 antiquated cables. wacom is living in the last decade.

State your:
>Budget
£5000
>Location
Scotland
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Display
>Size (in inches)
Big
>Other information
My penis was too big for my midget ex-gf
>Previous equipment
Ugee 1910b

anyone have a good tutorial to optimise the use of the Express Keys and the Touch ring ? you can keep the corporation wars for the other post

>>5071857
Cintiq Pro 24"

the 32" model is generally considered too big for most people's comfort, although I guess you could set it vertically like a fucking canvas if you wish.

>>5071860
1 point tutorial for you "dont use it dumbasss" place your hand on the keyboard hotkeys and keep it there.

There's one exception though. set the touch ring to [ ] for photoshop and that's it.

>>5071868
ok so nothing's changing i guess, my touchring doesn't recognise the custom brush size button that i set

>>5071870
to add up on that my touch ring only augment the size of the brush but don't decrease it

>>5071823
Your constant use of the f-word is giving yourself away again, Chang.
Try not to get so angsty and aggressive when someone points out how shitty your chinese tablets are.

>>5071874
disregard that post i fixed it

Does anyone have any sort of canvas overlay they put ontop of their digital paintings to give them more texture? I have one for paper that I use often but not for canvas.

>>5071811
>are americans so fucking dumb they don't have common sense
>america

They kinda exposed they don't care about their own lives in 2020, I doubt they care about wasting money.

>>5071927
Amerimutts think that 5G causes COVID.

>spend years drawing on digitizers
>could barely draw non-oval circles
>buy a chinkshit display monitor
>instantly improve
don't fall for the digitizer meme, the disconnect between your eyes and hands is too great to overcome. respect yourself, buy a display tablet.

>>5068462
Worked thanks anon

tips for using a small tablet?

>>5071927
did you know that 8 million people die from tobacco products every single year? why doesn't the media report on that every single day and start every newscast with numbers of deaths?

>>5071977
get a bigger one

>>5071979
lung cancer isn't contagious. you can't compare an intentional 50-year suicide attempt to a contagious disease.

>>5071979
Found the american!

>>5071979
I mean...they do. They're called anti smoking ads. Its just no one cares. It's a "free" country.

>>5071813
>no one talks about the cables on Wacoms breaking! Take that atheists!
Meanwhile...
>>5067089
>>5067114

>>5071979
Because smoking deaths happen gradually.

>>5071977
relax your wrist and dont tense it?

>>5071883
>schizo trying to turn the limited vocab table

The irony of it.

is the wacom one worth it?

I bought an XP-Pen Artist 22 Pro from in October and it already has a dead pixel. Should I return it or use the warranty to get it fixed? If I do return it, any recommendations for other large monitor-style tablets?

>>5072265
use that warranty, xp's bigboy tablets are pretty nice for what they cost

I got my Christmas bonus today and was surprised to find it was $500! I currently have a deco pro but I've been wondering how much better wacoms actually are. I now have the ability to buy an intuos pro medium to try it out. I would be buying it on Amazon which have a generous return policy so if I decide it's not worth it I can just tell them it sucks and return it for a refund, so the purchase would be non committal. I like the deco pro but the lower end of the pressure range is kinda screwy and jumps up a lot and I like the idea of being able to use touch controls for panning and zooming. I've heard wacom drivers are shit though. Nib wear sucks but I've read a lot of solutions to significantly mitigate it like taping an acetate sheet to it, or nib alternatives like a set of 80 nibs on shapeways apparently printed from a much harder plastic, or using round weed wacker wire. What do you guys think? Should I do it?

>>5072454
One other thing I wanted to clarify real quick is that I am the type of person who has more money than talent and I doubt that during the lifespan of the intuos, that even if it is better, I will likely never reach a level of skill where the increased quality would be something I could take advantage of, and that during that time I would likely never even reach the point where I could squeeze all of the potential out of my deco pro. Maybe I'm just putting myself down due to poor self esteem and a lack of confidence, I'll let you be the judge of that since I don't know. If it did turn out to be better, I like the idea of the hardware I'm using being better than my capabilities even if I couldn't take advantage of them, it gives me peace of mind for whatever reason.

>>5072454
can always return it if it underwhelms, which it will.

>>5053391
I've had my Intous 4 since roughly 2007 and it still works, let that sink in.

>>5071798
Not really, but you can replace the entire surface on intuos pros for ~$40. I haven't needed to do it yet after about a year though.

>>5072454
Nib wear is only a problem for the first month or so of heavy use while the tablet surface breaks in. After that it slows down massively. You probably don't need a huge stock of them, wait and see how long the included ones last you.

>>5072776
How does that work? Do you need to send them your tablet?

>>5072790
Haha, you wish. No, its a 40 dollar sticker than you have to carefully apply yourself by tearing up the original surface and sticking the smooth surface on, and you better hope you get it perfect because wacom will sure as shit not help you. Theyd really, really rather you bought a new one actually because they really, really like money

>>5072795
It's really not that hard, I've switched out a few now on my various tablets and you have to be pretty fucking stupid to mess it up. There are billions of youtube videos showing you how to do it as well.

alright boys instead of getting it from amazon and waiting a week i just went to the nearest best buy after work instead. i've talked a lot of shit about wacom based on assumptions but i gotta say, the pressure response here beats the shit out of what i've seen from my huion and from my xp-pen. that's the main thing that was bothering me about them, but there's just no comparison to be made, i see no inconsistencies or jumps in pressure at all and while it is difficult likely due to lack of practice, i can consistently go from super thin to thick. i still think it was overpriced as fuck, after tax it was a little over $400 but i can afford to keep it because i have enough fuck-you-money from my christmas bonus and there was nothing else i was planning on buying at the moment that i couldn't buy with my regular income, so i guess i can return my deco pro to amazon recoup some of the cost. still gotta do something about the surface though, not sure if i'm going to smooth it out with something abrasive or tape an acetate sheet or a sheet of parchment paper over it, or just buy some nib alternatives. it also feels smoother to move the pen around on the screen, it's like the detection is more responsive. it feels like the moving the pen around equivalent of going from 60hz to 90hz.

you win this time, wacom. is it really worth it? idk, i guess if you really need it because you're just such a great artist that everyone can suck your nuts (i am not) or you just happen to have the spare money like i did. i still hope the alternatives improve enough soon that wacom either prices their shit competitively or gets eaten by the competition. right now it is absolutely better. not so much better that it justifies such a massively inflated price for the average person. the most i think this thing should reasonably cost is $250. i haven't experienced any software bullshit but i've only been playing with it for less than an hour so it remains to be seen if i'll be unlucky.

>>5072973
damn right anon. Wacoms are overpriced, but they're still better than the competition.
>still gotta do something about the surface though
It'll sort itself out over a few days/weeks as you use it. The nib wear slows down drastically after it smooths out. I went from replacing a nib every 2-3 days to having them last 4+ weeks of heavy use. I haven't had any major issues with the drivers either, aside for the tablet sometimes not immediately being recognized when I plug it in.

Should I get an Ipad for drawing?

I don't like IOS and dont think that I'll use it for anything other but drawing, but I've heard that ipads are amazing for art and a lot of people think that.
I made a mistake month or two ago and bought an android tab for reading manga and didn't think that I could draw on them at the time. If I sprung for a higher model I could draw with it with an S-pen.

I could get a cheap one.
I use an xp pen 12 normally for drawing, and also have a note 8 for drawing but my sensor is fucked up for the bottom right part of my screen, and it places the pointer away from where it actually is alsoI don't know any good apps for it.
I want something that I can draw on the go, because I have a vacation coming up and maybe when I travel for work.

>>5072973
Buying a wacom is easy. The instant something goes wrong don't expect it to be covered under warranty lol. The support people are also retarded and know nothing, I couldn't understand them over the phone.

Don't touch the ports (they're fragile)
Don't drop the pens (they're fragile)
Clean with a water moistened cloth only
Slap something over the surface like a plastic sheet or it will eat all your nibs in no time at all.

>>5072995
The answer is no, do not purchase an ipad ever unless you enjoy using procreate for the rest of your existence (or feel like paying a subscription fee to use CSP/PS/astropad)

>>5073047
>Procreate
Artstudio Pro is better and is a one time purchase.

>>5073047
Clean wacoms with 70% (at most) isopropyl alcohol, don't use anything stronger.
The ports had issues on the first few runs, but they've been stabilized a lot in the ones you can buy new nowadays.
don't drop the pens. They're made of fairy dust, eggshells, and glitter and they will definitely stop working if you drop them a few times. seriously, this is the single biggest issue I have with wacoms.

>>5073101
>The ports had issues on the first few runs, but they've been stabilized a lot in the ones you can buy new nowadays.
I'm still verrrrry careful with mine haha after being burnt a few times
>don't drop the pens.
This a hundred times this
And I think in general pens are very fragile on every tablet
DON'T DROP THE PENS PEOPLES

>>5073109
how does the intuos pro do with wireless? that seems like a good way to preserve the port

>>5073113
I never use wireless with mine. And the driver site for wacom has an explanation for why wireless on wacom sucks which is another reason why I've never tried it. And furthermore I have my wacom tablet plugged in all the time so I've probably fucked the battery up already...

>>5073115
actually i have a better idea for preserving the port. just get a magnetic usb c cable with data lanes. it's like on mac computer, if something yanks it hard, instead of wrenching the port and possibly ripping your expensive computer off of the desk, it will just unplug it. the same principle should apply here. you don't have to worry about wearing out the port by potentially unplugging it and plugging it back in, or from stress caused by the cable being yanked around by accident. i might actually order one right now.

>>5073125
You can just be careful with it. I've had my intuos pro for like 2 years and haven't had a problem with it so far, but I had so many issues with my old bamboo that I tiptoe around it.

>>5072995
Yes get a used iPad Pro. I have been using Waco since for two decades and they are the past. The weakest part of using a Wacom is photoshop. It is from the 80s and it isn’t made for touch. It is an overpriced piece of shit. Take a month and teach yourself procreate. It has an updated brush engine. It also has an interface perfect for a touchscreen. It also has an amazing screen. Used iPad pros are cheap and their arm processors are more powerful than i7s in 2000 dollar machines. These things are are the precursor to apples new computers and the future of digital art. Cintiqs connected like boat anchors to x86 machines are the past.

Is a cheap non-display tablet useful for teaching or is it a meme? Kinda wanna buy one for a friend, although I don't know how much it will benefit him.
>>5072973
That's weird. I wonder if the quality gap between Chinese and Wacom is that dramatic when it comes to display as well. So far, no reviewers that I am aware of have struggled to keep consistent pressure.

>>5073134
Reviewers get given shit for free and also don't draw. You'll never hear about wacom drivers causing cursors to wobble like crazy in SAI and eating more nibs than humanly possible or ipads dying of planned obsolescence or their screens turning yellow or chinese tablets dying after a year or having inaccurate linework.

>>5073134
I have a few teacher friends i gifted cheap screenless tablets for the pandemic and they've been happy with them. Specifically for match and English classes. So as long as your handwriting isn't ass you should be okay with the $30-50 range.

i've located some nib alternatives. first there is this one from shapeways. it says it's made of nylon

https://www.shapeways.com/product/6MWPXFX66/wacom-intuos-pro-pen-2-nibs-80pcs-lifetime-set?optionId=64490778

you can also get an ABS rod 1mm in diameter. the thin shaft of the pro pen 2 nibs are .97-.98mm in diameter. i don't know how tight the tolerances are but it should be pretty easy shave off .02mm of material with some super mild sandpaper. it doesn't have the big end though so i'm not sure if that interferes at all. i'm interested in getting the shapeways ones since nylon is such a great material. i don't want to get anything extra though until i've used the regular nibs up

>>5073129
>Used iPad pro
Can't I just get a regular ipad?
I want to pay as little as possible and just draw

>>5073260
Sure, except you will have less maximum layers in Procreate, a smaller screen, and a non-laminated display, which means parallax. If none of those things bother you, go for it.

>>5073262
I can't really find a cheap preowned ipad pro other than the 9.7 inch.
Should I go for it?

>>5073296
Or you could pick up a brand new Galaxy Tab S6 Lite.

>>5073298
Is that really that much better than the 9.7 inch ipad pro?
I sort of want an ipad because of procreate and how everybody keeps talking about how good the app is.

>>5073305
>9.7 inch ipad pro
Anon... that thing is an antiquity. Please do some basic researches.
What is your budget?

>>5073305
Again, it's a matter of preference.

Understand the compromises you're making here >>5073262
Think about whether or not they would affect you significantly, and factor that into your decision.

>>5053383
>Budget
500$
>Location
America
>Type (display? non-display? portable?)
Display I expect to use this on a desk.
>Size (in inches)
At least 13-16 inches.

>>5073493
Used iPad Pro 12.9" second gen. Best option by far.

I found a used ipad pro 2nd gen but it's 10.5, but for really cheap.
It's in my budget, should I get it?

Does the gen matter for ipad that much?
Like is it worth spending a couple of extra hundred dollars for a 3rd gen over a 2nd gen ipad pro?

>>5073774
Think of an ipad as a computer, but after three years you can't update any programs any more, the specs are worse than a computer so you won't have as much memory, two of the only three good art programs are subscription only so you'll need to keep paying for them, you don't have access to a proper filesystem, the Li-on batteries are designed to die after 500 charge cycles and the one way iOS updates shoved down your throat are designed to slow your device down as much as possible to try and force you to upgrade.

People try and sell old ipads because they're on lifesupport and they don't want to be stuck with a useless device.

>>5073880
Think of an ipad as a gay toy, turn the vibnration on and shove it up your ass you obnoxious poor faggot.

The previous owner was jerking off and then closed the porn with cum fingers, and then you buy it used with his cum on.

Go make your own thread you poor apple faggots.

I literally am stuck with buying a screenie tablet, or a screenless. I literally don't know what to buy. I don't really care about budget but I prefer not to get into high end if I have a history of dropping hobbies. Which is why I lean screenless but the Wacom Intous Pro is like $400? Might a s we'll get a screen tablet then right?

>>5073892
Get a Deco 01v2 for 60$
it's a fine tablet, if you like drawing you can just stick to it, if you don't you can gift it somebody for free.

Retarded question but what drawing programs are there that are good for android?

>>5073980
Also do any of them stand up to procreate?

I don't know too much about tech but I heard that updates make them run slower so you buy a new one.
Should i turn off updates?

>>5073980
I prefer drawing in CSP over both Photoshop and Procreate

>>5073892
>Might a s we'll get a screen tablet then right?
Yeah. If you're spending that amount of money, maybe except if you have some kind of back problem that doesn't let you lean in a bit, then you should get a screen tablet from the "chinkshit" brands. Huion is doing a Christmas sale with free express shipping on their website, the Kamvas Pro 16 (or Kamvas 16 2021) should be within your budget.
>but I prefer not to get into high end if I have a history of dropping hobbies
Do you usually spend hundreds of dollars for your hobbies and then drop them? If not, you could use your big spending as an incentive to stick with it.

i made a screen protector today. i couldn't find acetate sheets but i found these laminating pouches. i'm pretty sure the thick side is made of acetate. it ended up being about the same shape as any other solution like this.

>>5074320
>>5072973
Do you really need a screen protector for the Intous Pro? How long would it take for you to scratch the surface? I heard is supposed to feel like paper so is there one that makes it feel like paper?

>>5074637
it doesn't protect the surface from the nibs, it protects the nibs from the surface. nibs get worn down super fast. the break in period people sometimes talk about is when the surface gets worn away leaving a smooth surface that no longer abrades the nibs.

>>5074641
So is it the nibs that need protection or the screen?

>>5053383
/beg/ who's looking to get into digital here, is there anywhere I can buy the Intuos 3 brand new? Or do I need to buy it used?

>>5074719
the nibs, because when the nibs wear down you have to buy more. wacom implemented planned obsolescence business model to make you buy more nibs a lot more frequently than their previous tablets. some people like me use a screen protector to make the tablet surface smooth so that it doesn't sand down the nibs. some other people just use the tablet and the surface wears down naturally and becomes less abrasive through normal wear and tear. some other people speed up that process by sanding the surface with mild sandpaper or steel wool to get rid of the textured surface and reveal the smooth plastic underneath. all of these things functionally do the same thing, they stop your tablet from eating nibs at a retarded rate.

i applied a different screen protector i made with the other side of the laminate pouches i got. one side was hard plastic and the other side is a softer plastic with adhesive on one side, i'm not sure what it is, i think it might be vinyl. it sticks to the surface tighter, is lower profile, and feels a lot neater. it looks ugly under harsh lighting but they're not air bubbles, i am not sure what it is, i think it's a thin film of air trapped inside of the grit of the texture. also, touch still works since this different plastic is capacitive. it took 3 tries. the first time i underestimated how flexible it is and fucked it up at the start. the second time went on perfect but i tried to push the blemish stuff out and scratched it. very slow meticulous process but i think it was worth it because it feels slick and looks decent.

>>5073880
It's just a drawing tablet, Chang. Updates don't matter as much as you think idiot.

>>5073789
No.

>>5073892
Don't listen to the Chinese idiot here: >>5073895 >>5074085
Chinese "sales" aren't real as well, because they just inflate the prices then mark them down with "80% discount!!!". Chinese companies aren't subject to western consumer practice laws.
Chinese trash has been exposed countless times as rubbish, as seen here: >>5055936 >>5072454

>>5074793
you know what i don't understand about this. chinese companies don't give a shit about your copyrights or your patents or whatever, they just do what they want. why don't they put an eraser on their pens then like wacom has. if you have the technology to put a pressure sensor on the front with a nib in it then you have the ability to put another one on the back with a fixed nib.

there's a lot of stuff they imitate in their own products from wacom's technology. the stuff they haven't implemented yet is stuff they haven't figured out yet how to make, but there are other things they do know how to make but haven't implemented for some reason.

>>5074793
*Meant to quote this post on the end: >>5072973

>>5073507
I decided to get a Wacom Cintiq 16 inch drawing tablet with screen.

>>5074763
How much are the nibs? What if you want the texture feel?

How much of a downgrade is the Huion Kamvas 22 from the 22 Plus? The regular 22 is $340 right now.

>>5074882
By going with the stock 22 you're losing some color gamut and lamination.

>>5074878
nibs are a dollar each and i've heard that in the worst cases, a nib can be spent in a matter of only a couple of hours of drawing. if you want the texture then you can just keep buying nibs, but it's not going to last forever because like i said, after enough wear and tear, the texture gets worn away eventually, after something like 1.5 to 2 years of use, so you're going to lose the texture eventually no matter what. if the texture is that important to you then i guess keep buying a new pack of nibs every month or maybe twice a month (do the math. if you use 10 nibs per month then after a year you've given wacom $120), and replace the tablet entirely every 2 years or so.

there are also these which are made of nylon so they are much more durable than the regular nibs
https://www.shapeways.com/product/6MWPXFX66/wacom-intuos-pro-pen-2-nibs-80pcs-lifetime-set?optionId=64490778
but since they're probably harder than the surface of the tablet, the texture will get worn away faster than it normally would, and the feel of the texture would likely be different. the feel of the texture is a combination of the harshness of the drawing surface combined with how soft or hard the nibs are. if the texture is super gritty but the nibs are made of a very hard plastic, it's not going to feel the same as drawing on the same surface with a nib made of a much softer plastic. the pic is the wear from using nylon nibs. i couldn't find any pics of wear from regular nibs but it looks similar.

so basically, you can have the texture but it's going to cost you a lot extra over time and it won't last forever regardless.

>>5074878
If you have the texture it wears down your nibs. You can't have texture and no nib wear BECAUSE FRICTION IS WHAT WEARS THE NIBS DOWN. Worse, you risk leaving scratches deep enough that your pen catches on it. I don't know if this is an issue that only affects cheap wacom tablets but to this day I don't dare to use my intuos pro without a covering because I used to own a bamboo which I used as a mouse and you know how you always scroll down a webpage etc with a scrollbar on the right? Well yeah, I noticed later that there was a ridge there and my pen caught every time I went near that region because I had pressed too hard and damaged the surface. Well lesson learned, don't use wacom tablets without something over it 1) Because of nib wear 2) in case of scratches that aren't just superficial.

>>5074926
Seems like you can buy texture screen protectors from Wacom.

>>5074938
i've heard that those are basically permanent and will ruin the original surface if you try to take it off and replace it. also, even the smoothest texture still wears the nibs down. it's not so much the texture that causes the nib wear, it's the nibs being made of too soft of plastic.

>>5074905
eh, you know what i actually realized i said something flawed here and i want to ammend it. i don't think you would have to replace the tablet entirely when the surface gets worn down, you could just buy a standard texture sheet and put it on the tablet and now it has a brand new texture. maybe the nylon nibs could have a decent feel if you use them with the rough texture sheet. 80 nibs for 20 bucks is a lot more economically friendly than buying wacom's nibs.

I'm not here to troll or anything (since I'm looking into getting a screenless tablet) but this seems like a gigantic mess that there aren't proper and tangible screen protectors available out there and that users are forced into scrapping whatever material they find to tweak their wacom.

With iPads you have a bunch of brands you can choose from for screen protectors and they're easy to install / get rid of.

>>5075025
iPads are for normies. Wacom is for specific professional fields. it's too niche of a market to bother with.

Look at the thread. You can't even SUGGEST alternatives.

>missed out on the black friday sale for the tab6S lite.
Brehs,...

Should I buy it now for full price?
It's like 500AUD. Is there any other sale coming up soon like black Friday?
Should I wait a year?

>>5075093
bruh, I paid 650 aussie bux equiv in my shithole country, and thats already grey market price. tho s7 lite and s7+ lite are probably going to be released

>>5075216
They are released.

New thread:

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